"But Im not here to talk about the history of coffee" me - extremely disappointed because I thought this video was going to be about the history of coffee :( Video - continues to talk about the history of coffee Me- :)
Having coffee in Ethiopia was one of the best experiences I've ever had. I think, for coffee lovers, a trip to Ethiopia is worth it just for an authentic coffee ceremony.
Over a year ago I was sitting in my Roman apartment with my espresso watching Rare Earth videos with my Ethiopian roommate over South America. Now I'm in North America watching videos about Ethiopia and its spread of the magic bean to the globe. Funny how small the world can be if you truly take a moment to think about it. Impressive as always, Evan! I'm just mad I didn't have the funds to go there this summer with my old roommate, might've ran into you XD
Humans are so weird that way. XD Chilis: I am going to produce capsaicin *specifically* to keep mammals from eating my seeds! Humans: IT HURTS SO GOOD GIVE ME MORE!! ::weeping in pain as we shovel chilis into our mouths:: Chilis: ..........................but why
itaybron but consider how much more widely spread around the world the coffee plant is because of its caffeine. Doesn’t matter if it was originally for something else, caffeine was a very successful adaptation for the plant, given its environment (the environment includes humans who deliberately spread the plant because it produces caffeine). Evolution makes no moral judgements, just judgements on what works.
Global trade and cooperation have always been a benefit for humanity. I think most things we enjoy are either fully or partly from another nation. It's sad that many people don't see the value that other cultures and people have to us.
@@justadjimmi6613 It was the other way around. the Christians at the time were skeptical and called it "the drink of Satan", though the matter was later settled by Pope Clement VIII who approved coffee. But oh well if they smuggled it over then they did actually share it anyways.
@@justadjimmi6613 Islam was founded in the 7th century. The earliest records of coffee are from the late 14th century. And somehow European monks "brewed coffee in their monasteries long before Islam was even founded"? And who said coffee was a "Muslim invention"? You make no sense at all.
Salem, so as I am watching this video my parents have some guest over but I noticed that they too are now preparing/drinking the coffee ("boon" as it is known) as we see here. The aroma of the coffee pleasing fills your nose which in my opinion is incomparable to coffee shops. That said goodmorning to you Evan, the team and all!
To consolidate your point about cultures interacting I want to talk about the evolution of the language around coffee. The ultimate origin of the word coffee is contested but it almost certainly entered the west through the Ottoman Empire. They were probably the ones who first came up with the idea of a café (or at least popularised it) , a place where people would drink coffee and talk. They called these places "kahvehane", meaning literally "house of coffee". What I find fascinating is that nowadays almost no one uses that word anymore in Turkey and even when they do it refers to a specific, old-fashioned place. The Turkish language has taken the French word café and that word has replaced the Turkish one which had originated it in the first place.
keremcantarhan the arabic word qawha are drived from the word qahiya which means (to lack hunger) because qahwa was an appetite suppressant .. the turks pronounce “wa” as “va” so qahwa became kahva .. and kahva became koffie via the dutch which the english took from and pronounced it coffee..
The east of Africa is a truly amazing place, most people only know it for their Somali pirates but there is so much history there that you can almost touch it, from the Indian influences on the Dhow to the amazing bronze craftmanship, to the vivid artwork and the amazing churches to the gigantic neolithic sites who make Stonehenge look small. From the fabled, and not existing Prester John to the Rastafari movement which is mostly asocieted with the lovely island of Jamaica, it has shaped Europe and Asia in ways we can't immagine and vice versa. But that's with a lot of Islamic culture by the way... Ever wondered where the names Yunus and Ibrahim came from for example? :) Coton is a nice example of "Arabic" influence on our life as well, just as "Coffee" _qahwah_ (قهوة) the name is Arabic in origin: _qutun_ (قطن). I said "Arabic" because the Arabic language didn't exist in a vacuum, no language does. A lot of Arabic words have their origin in Persian, Berber, Hindi, Hitite, etc, etc.... Fun fact: A lot of "Islamic" countries have a ban on alcohol, which is an Arabic word as well ironically enough... _al-kohl_ (الكحل) This is a long comment, have fun reading. If i had something wrong please point it out (In a civilized way!). :)
The concept of alcohol as drink that make you, well, drunk has already existed in Arab countries way before Islam appeared. You can't ban something that doesn't exist.
@@Alia-bc3rc Alcohol, booze is one of the oldest human inventions, and Islam came pretty late to the game when it comes to religions. Most "muslim" countries where christian, zoarastian or believed in pagan dieties, like the Greek Pantheon before Islam came, through trade or conquest.
hmmm if you are getting "music" from your beans those are not coffee beans lol - guess you could grind those "musical" beans and brew them ..... I aint going to try it
I was in Saudi Arabia at the last day of Ramadan, in the evening, I was invited to join in the feast marking the end of Ramadan. There I was offered a bright green beverage, which I was told was Coffee as it was locally enjoyed. I do not remember the taste, but I have been craving it since that one time.
"I'm really drunk so I don't want to write a description" so you went from a vid about donkeys mating to being drunk. Impressive I love this channel. I love Cafecito, it's good and keeps you awake
You and your team are quite the story tellers! I've been following you for quite some time and am really impressed with the variety and depth of subjects you produce. I'm very impressed! Thanks very much for all the videos.
I live in a Muslim country and was to other countries; Muslim majority or otherwise and yeah; it's not that common in Muslim countries especially comparing to other countries; even in Turkey, tea is more common. But then again, it was used by extremist so no wonder it didn't catch on as well as tea. The coffee as people know it in Muslim countries is reintroduced later by the western countries. So globalization in full effect.
True muslim arabian coffee is not black but yellowish green in colour, and contains cardamon and saffron, it's preparation takes ages, gently boiled and brewed for hours over a small flame, or in fire ashes, so it has become more of an occasional drink. Nowadays, people in muslim countries drink turkish coffee in the mornings, and tea in the evening after meals as they are quick to prepare, and help digest.
@@gallasAladdin "Extremist" as in "push themselves to live like hermit/ monk". Not "declare Holy War against every fancy thing that ticks their (so called) sensibilities".
@@gallasAladdin Well, they are extremist in one way or another. That being said, I don't deny the fact that I got confused by the name. Sry if that offended anybody in any way.
Bonus thanks: you can brew tea from the leaves of a coffee bush, too! In the US you can order saplings from places like Edible Landscaping and have your own supply to experiment with. Coffee leaf tea produces something very similar to South America's yerba maté tea. If you have trouble finding a recipe, try searching for "Ethiopian Kuti" because google sometimes has a hard time understanding that you're not looking for "green tea & coffee" but rather "tea brewed from the leaves of the coffee plant."
We have a story in Vienna that the first coffee house came to the city via the second Siege of Vienna in 1653 when it was found by Georg Franz Koltschitzky it was called "the blue bottle". The Story is likely lagend. But ist shows that That Vienna knew that coffee and the Ottamenes were linked. Also, the first documented coffee-houses opened in 1685 which's just 32 years after the Siege. It took just over a hundred years for coffee to make its way from the Bosporus (1550) to the Danube (1685).
Something I think is very interesting is what you said on the beginning, the Ethiopians weren't the ones who first understood the opportunities that coffee could bring. We travel seeking for new things, yet interestingly we aren't very fond of exploring around what we think we already know completely, like our home and family, our country and people. Weirdly, we search for new experiences way far from home than needed, and we usually don't bother about those widespread and simple bushes close to our homes, for us they're just bushes. But for a foreigner they can be the brown gold of coffee, that was sitting right beside us all along.
@Mary Smith in case you are not aware. When you read the Qur'an of the Islamic faith, you will read that they believe that the Bible and the torah are from God too, just as the Qur'an, the final revelation. When the Islamic Prophet was given a Torah, the old testament he placed it respectfully on a pillow, and when one reads the Islamic law book, the sharia law, it says that one must wash one's hands face and feet before even touching a Bible, this generally is thought of as something specific for before touching the Qur'an but the same respect it awarded to the other 2 Abrahamic Faiths revelations. If it was a satanic idealogy, it would not have given any respect to their Brethren in Abrahamic faith. Some reflections of mine.
@keep praying earnestly Actually....While the Scriptures (New Testament) is a Prophetic fulfillment and continuation of the Torah (Old Testament)....the Quran is in no way a fulfillment nor even a remote continuance of the Bible...but rather, “the Quran” is structured as a complete replacement of Biblical Scriptures. In fact, the Quran denies the basic foundation as well as the core beliefs that are paramount to the teaching of the Bible.
@@NadaVerse m.ua-cam.com/video/ValnscvfPdk/v-deo.html The ten commandments are very foundational to the old and new testament, as you would agree. The Qur'an teaches the exact same thing, check the above link,please. So I don't know where you are getting your information from. And in the Bible it mentions Prophet Jesus (God's blessing be on him) prayed while prostrating and placing his face on the ground. Can you tell me which religion followers pray by placing there faces on the ground?
@Mary Smith The word "Allah" is taken from the old Semitic- Aramaic (basically HEBREW) word for God ... Google is your friend; en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Islam Congrats (retard) for calling your own God -"satan". lol
Man, I've been watching your vids and you're educated and very informative and professional...You just gained a new Subscriber. Keep up the great work.
This might be my favorite youtube series. Its pacing is relaxing, the ideas it presents are clear and well organized, and I always learn something. I hope you can continue to make videos here because the content quality is always top notch. Cheers.
Some historical music facts: 1.: Bach wrote a coffee-cantate. Here are the last lines of the lyrics: "Die Jungfern bleiben Coffeeschwestern. young ladies remain coffee addicts. Die Mutter liebt den Coffeebrauch, The mother loves her cup of coffee Die Großmama trank solchen auch, the grandmother drank it also. Wer will nun auf die Töchter lästern! Who can blame the daughters! -- This Translation in Parallel Format English Translation by Francis Browne (June 2005) Contributed by Francis Browne(June 2005) Cantata BWV 211 - Coffee Cantata" Link: www.bach-cantatas.com/Texts/BWV211-Eng3.htm 2.: A canon about coffee existed, too. It started with c-a-f-f-e-e, the music matching the name of the beverage. The song claimed that coffee made you week, ill and addicted. It is not sung anymore with the original lyrics since these use some very discriminatory expressions for Muslims, who - as the song claims - brought the "Turkish beverage" to northwestern Europe. "Carl Gottlieb Hering (* 25. Oktober 1766 in Schandau, Kurfürstentum Sachsen; † 4. Januar 1853 in Zittau, Königreich Sachsen" wrote and composed the Canon - not Mozart as sometimes told. Source: de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gottlieb_Hering?wprov=sfla1 Thank you very much for your beautiful and educative video!
Evan, it makes my heart go all a-flutter whenever you mention those magical M.O.P. words, even if you don't necessarily advocate for their seizure by the working class.
Turkish coffee is very good. An espresso with a spoon of sugar on top of the grounds and then a little orange water added for the aroma after it is brewed.
God Damn I love Rare Earth! Thank you for making me smarter, again and again. I've been all over the world and I learn something new from you in every single video.
"I'm really drunk, so I don't want to write a description. This is a story about coffee. I hope you like it." You sir, are exactly the hero UA-cam deserves.
Nice work, interesting video, good to hear the contributions of Muslims to the entire world. I thought you were going to talk about tea, because currently it's very common in the Muslim countries unlike coffee which is expensive due to high demand.
@@crylec6534 it dosent really have much significance anymore to us. Tea is more popular. But Suleiman tried to ban it cause people were skipping work or staying up late staying at cofee shops. Gossiping about the empire. Sometimes badmouthing the king . Plus its a foreign product to him. So he banned and destroyed all the cofee shops . His wife and most people still drank it in secret tho
@@SaltySalman wow, that's really interesting to know. I seem to recall that the rise of coffee houses in Europe also led to a lot of political murmurings.
Coffee is technically psychoactive substance, so the ban from religious viewpoint sort of make sense. It's just that coffee was way too popular among everyone who need their crunch time (read: scholar and bureaucrats) and technically no recorded cases of people lost their good judgment because of coffee, soooo....
Arabs took the coffee beans from Ethiopia- and did what they used to do with date seeds - roasted, ground and boiled. The drink made from date seeds is still called Qahwa in Arabic- just like the one made from coffee beans. Arabs used to drink it with no sugar or milk. Ottoman scholars argued if coffee is even permissible - it's addictive. They said it's allowed if you use it for good purpose - like studying late at night and memorizing books - not for wasting time with your mates and talking all night. After Turks retreated from the battle of Vienna they left over 100 bags of coffee beans behind them. No one in Europe knew what to do with them - except for one Polish Jew who used to live in Istanbul. He took all the bags and started the first coffee house in Europe- in Vienna. Shortly after sweet coffee with cream (no milk) was known all over Europe as Polish style coffee! And it remained so till the early 20th century. And I am a Polish Muslim 😉
It’s crazy how I’ve never pondered where coffee comes from. It’s absolutely integral to my country, & without it we would never have gotten to our moderate wealth.
Did you know, the name of "Coffee " is driven from where the city( Ethiopia) originally discovered? The name of the city Called" keffa" . Every where in the world the name isasocited with the city where was discovered, except in Ethiopia. Coffee is called Bunna in Ethiopia. The same as the color of "brown"
Wow never knew this side of coffee before! Thanks for the great video as always :) On the other random note, not sure if I should count myself lucky or unlucky that I cannot drink coffee (I'll vomit and have bad gastric pain whenever I drink them, with or without milk). But I love the smell of coffee! Also thankfully I can enjoy lots of tea haha.
In Serbia there is huge amount of coffee houses (kafana), unfortunately now used for alcohol :-( There is a story about first one named "Kafana (coffee house) at green beans". When Serbs liberated Belgrade from Turks they found at one place a lot of sacks full of "green beans" and they though that it is just some weird type of it so they made traditional meal with it. It turned out that it was coffee. Before coffee was reserved for Turks only so they did not even know that it exist. According to that story. Ofc, who know was it true it was so long ago.
His explanation doesn't really contradict what you're saying... he just refrained from mentioning yemen for some reason, instead mentioning Muslim sufi mystics. Those mystics were from yemen, and it was indeed in yemen where coffee as a beverage became popular, and so the Yemenis began cultivating the plant on their own soil, hence arabica and mocha.
Are those coffee pots at 4:33? I inherited something that looks just like that from my dad, it was with other stuff he brought home from when he “visited” North Africa in November 1942, I’ve never had any clue as to what it was.
I'm from Costa Rica, a country in Central America only 200 yo. Coffee is an essential part of our culture, we are proud of harvesting high quality coffee and there are even coffee beans in our flag. Small family meetings are called "cafecito" -small coffee- for an evidence of how tight is the relation of coffee and Costa Rican culture. Thanks for this video. Is amazing to know what is behind this drink.
Your point about experimentation reminded me of cocoa beans. For millennia indigenous south Americans were mixing it with water to make a drink, but it took an Englishman to have the idea to mix it with sugar and press it into a solid bar, and then a Swiss to add milk to the bar.
My name is Robby and I've been addicted to coffee for 10 years. It took everything from. Its because of my addiction that I know live in my local Starbucks
5:18 “coffee would never be known as a Muslim drink again” this is dead wrong. It’s still one of the most important parts of Muslim culture, because many Arab countries outlaw alcohol coffee is consumed by almost everyone and is prepared in thousands of ways. If told me you were invited into any home in Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Iraq or Saudi and they don’t offer you coffee within 10 minutes I straight up wouldn’t believe you.
“Those in Ramadan wanted to try this” Pretty sure that did not end well if they drank a lot. Reminds me of how someone I know was really addicted to tea/coffee (she would drink a cup 2-3 times a day) and when Ramadan rolled around she ended up getting withdrawal symptoms (vomiting) on the first day and couldn’t fast for the first week or so because she was too sick. So yeah, don’t get addicted to coffee (or tea) kids if you’re fasting!
An outstanding historical date of the history of coffee is considered 1683, when the siege of Vienna by the Turks ended with a devastating defeat of the Ottomans. The coffee stocks left behind by the Turkish troops became the basis of Viennese coffee culture: "A Pole living in the beleaguered city, who sneaked through the ranks of the besiegers in Turkish uniform, managed to bring in friendly troops. Vienna was liberated, the Turks left, leaving behind brown pods. "Camel food," the Viennese thought and began to burn and throw it into the Danube. The Pole saved a few hundred sacks, for he knew about the "wine of Islam." Years later, Georg Kolschitzky opened a Viennese coffee house. The first in the city of Vienna it should have been, says the legend, although already Armenian couriers had previously opened several coffee houses. With little success. Disgusted, the Viennese turned away from the potion reminiscent of ink and soot, too bitter, too sandy, too black. It was only when the coffeehouse owners added milk and honey and left the coffee, the coffee-makers, who became coffeemakers, and the black water, through coddling, adapted to the Viennese, that the people accepted the "Little Brown" and the "Melange."
I think that happens everywhere, soccer (football) was only for the poor in Mexico, rich people would watch other sports, basketball, american football, but then in a World Cup, rich mexicans saw people from all over the world going crazy for it, europeans, africans, south americans, middle easterns, and ended up being accepted as the national sport by the higher class.
Working overnights I have become somewhat obsessive about getting good sleep, as part of this I experimented with avoiding coffee. Holy shit the withdrawals were crazy, but after I felt much better, woke up with more energy, slept better, slept quicker. Now I treat coffee/caffeine like any other drug, infact I feel it's worse then some because it's subtle, it's a cure for it's own disease so to speak. The more coffee you drink the less sleep and less quality of slee you get and the more tired you become, which makes you crave coffee for the boost of energy, and on and on and on. I am not saying it's evil and to avoid it, but use it strategically and limit it to less then once a week if possible.
Wow .. a peice of the history of coffee in the middle east.. reminds me of an quote in a book I read that I agree with greatly.. A life studying a single blade of grass is not a wasted life.. in the same book it spoke of a wise man that learned about the entire universe by studying a single stone.. if anyone knows where I read this, please remind me ..
It's interesting how these things come about. How do you get from Ethiopian herders to Tim Horton's? Evan makes that journey so interesting, as he does all of the journeys he describes. 3:28 "If it wasn't for Islam..." I wonder how many vociferous anti-Muslim motor-mouths start their day with this particular drug. Thank you for another fascinating story. I never know what to expect from this channel, but I know it will always be worth watching.
@@currently_In_stealth_behind_u Well, if you bothered to do some research you'd find that a large amount of modern mathematics and science has it's roots in the Muslim culture. No culture can claim to be pure and free of negative history. At the very least, try to understand what it is that Evan is talking about--the roots of many things we take for granted today are often very old and the journey to the 21st century is convoluted to say the least.
Here we go, criticizing islam while enjoying coffee somehow makes you a hypocritical motor mouth. Yes, because the two are indistinguishable from each other. Coffee is the symbol of Muhammad alayhi salam and thus if one drinks of this black liquid he must be well versed in His word. Please, shut the fuck up. What you have effectively just said is that if some fat Saudi fuck drives a Mercedes, all of his criticisms of the west are null. In fact, lets follow that logic. You typed this in English, so any beef you have with the Anglos is completely unfounded because how could you partake in the language of a people yet criticize it on anything?
@@DestructionOfRome My problem is the same problem I have with those that try to paint all Christians as horrible people who imprisoned Galileo and ran the Inquisition. It's too broad a brush. The majority of Muslims, the majority of Christians, the majority of PEOPLE spend their lives quietly, raising their families, helping each other out when needed. The "hypocritical motor-mouths" I referred to are the ones that will condemn EVERY Muslim (or every Christian or every Buddhist) based on the horrible actions of a small minority. And it IS a small minority of any of these groups that causes most of the problems and, if you look at their actions and motivations, they are completely contrary to the beliefs they claim to follow. So the reality is, they are NOT Muslim or Christian or whatever. That's just the "team jersey" they use to justify their horrible actions. I'm sure this back and forth commentary could (and will) go on forever. However, I don't find anything I said in my initial comment to be wrong or even offensive. I'm not saying every criticism of Islam is wrong, any more than any criticism of Christianity is wrong. I do say that there are a lot of hypocrites out there who use the broad brush and I object to that. -30-
Michael Cherry That was NOT the point you were making. What you are saying now has nothing to do with the absolute stupidity of what you originally said. You stated: I wonder how many anti-muslims start their day with this particular drug, as if partaking in coffee was somehow not mutually exclusive with one’s views of Islam. This is not about whatever you wish to change the subject as.
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No, I'm good sir. (A.K.A) I'm broke
Give your writers a raise. That shit was absolutely beautifully written. Don't lose them.
Are you planning to make a series about India ?
@@Reveltt Thanks! I'm the writer, cameraman, and host. I don't even come close to getting paid, though. :)
I'm interested in the cultural effect of Tabacco had on us
You gotta control the beans of production
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Ben Cohen you have to trade coffee for bitcoin or gold bullion
@@thomaswepfer HUMOR POLICE THE JOKE'S TO FUNNY!
Tee-hee-hee 😁👍...
That right there is worthy of a thumbs up.
"But Im not here to talk about the history of coffee"
me - extremely disappointed because I thought this video was going to be about the history of coffee :(
Video - continues to talk about the history of coffee
Me- :)
Classic misdirection
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@@usdjxavi
I'm suing him for bait and switch fraud.
manictiger this was more of a bait, un-bait, and then give the bait fraud... so, not fraud, I guess?
@Mary Smith
Actually, tea has another active ingredient: L-theanine.
"It doesn't matter your religion"
Awkward Mormon laughter
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Seventh Day Adventists too.
I was going to make this comment but this is the internet so I knew someone would've beat me to it!
You know why you always invite 2 Mormons fishing? Because if you invite one he will drink all your beer.
"you'll find users." Mormon users are underground, but they exist.
I’m a pretty healthy guy, so I snort cocaine instead of drinking coffee.
@My name is Tim, I'm a lesser known character The key is in the balance.
@@billydean1619 yes even meth and cocaine. It works well when taken in limited portions.
Duh who doesn't
Big Smells ROFLMFAO. Truly, did not expect to see such a profound observation.
Thanks.
I know some people who treat their body like a temple, mine's more like a warehouse.
"But Im not here to talk about the history of coffee"
Talks about the history of coffee
The real coffee was inside of us all along ☕
U have 260 likes
Some guy That a Rick and Morty reference or am I stupid?
The real coffee was the friends we made along the way
Having coffee in Ethiopia was one of the best experiences I've ever had. I think, for coffee lovers, a trip to Ethiopia is worth it just for an authentic coffee ceremony.
Over a year ago I was sitting in my Roman apartment with my espresso watching Rare Earth videos with my Ethiopian roommate over South America. Now I'm in North America watching videos about Ethiopia and its spread of the magic bean to the globe. Funny how small the world can be if you truly take a moment to think about it. Impressive as always, Evan! I'm just mad I didn't have the funds to go there this summer with my old roommate, might've ran into you XD
logically, next u go to ethiopia to watch videos of rome.
Coffee plant: develops caffeine to keep away harmful insects
Humans: we'll take your entire stock!
coffee plant: am i a joke to you?
Humans are so weird that way. XD
Chilis: I am going to produce capsaicin *specifically* to keep mammals from eating my seeds!
Humans: IT HURTS SO GOOD GIVE ME MORE!! ::weeping in pain as we shovel chilis into our mouths::
Chilis: ..........................but why
zolacnomiko 😂
Tea Plant: Bitter so animals won't eat it
Humans: love it
Some Tea growers even keep goats, the goats eat the weeds and won't touch the tea plants
itaybron but consider how much more widely spread around the world the coffee plant is because of its caffeine. Doesn’t matter if it was originally for something else, caffeine was a very successful adaptation for the plant, given its environment (the environment includes humans who deliberately spread the plant because it produces caffeine). Evolution makes no moral judgements, just judgements on what works.
@@aptove Mint too, the minty flavor is supposed to discourage herbivores. Not us, though!
Global trade and cooperation have always been a benefit for humanity. I think most things we enjoy are either fully or partly from another nation. It's sad that many people don't see the value that other cultures and people have to us.
@@justadjimmi6613 3 cheers for smugglers, then? 🤔
@@justadjimmi6613 It was the other way around. the Christians at the time were skeptical and called it "the drink of Satan", though the matter was later settled by Pope Clement VIII who approved coffee. But oh well if they smuggled it over then they did actually share it anyways.
@@justadjimmi6613 what other fake Muslim in inventions do you know of
@@justadjimmi6613 Your history is backwards. Islam was founded centuries before anybody starting brewing coffee.
@@justadjimmi6613 Islam was founded in the 7th century. The earliest records of coffee are from the late 14th century. And somehow European monks "brewed coffee in their monasteries long before Islam was even founded"? And who said coffee was a "Muslim invention"? You make no sense at all.
Salem, so as I am watching this video my parents have some guest over but I noticed that they too are now preparing/drinking the coffee ("boon" as it is known) as we see here. The aroma of the coffee pleasing fills your nose which in my opinion is incomparable to coffee shops. That said goodmorning to you Evan, the team and all!
@Bob Jones It's boon too in Somali.
boona in amharic no?
Abyssinia Empire so disrespectful
It is Just Bon in arabic
No my name was said in his comment
When is Rare Earth going to do a story about rare earth metals?
Now I’m waiting
To consolidate your point about cultures interacting I want to talk about the evolution of the language around coffee. The ultimate origin of the word coffee is contested but it almost certainly entered the west through the Ottoman Empire. They were probably the ones who first came up with the idea of a café (or at least popularised it) , a place where people would drink coffee and talk. They called these places "kahvehane", meaning literally "house of coffee". What I find fascinating is that nowadays almost no one uses that word anymore in Turkey and even when they do it refers to a specific, old-fashioned place. The Turkish language has taken the French word café and that word has replaced the Turkish one which had originated it in the first place.
keremcantarhan the arabic word qawha are drived from the word qahiya which means (to lack hunger) because qahwa was an appetite suppressant .. the turks pronounce “wa” as “va” so qahwa became kahva .. and kahva became koffie via the dutch which the english took from and pronounced it coffee..
I'm amazed on how you take such beautiful shots and bring out the best in your environment
The east of Africa is a truly amazing place, most people only know it for their Somali pirates but there is so much history there that you can almost touch it, from the Indian influences on the Dhow to the amazing bronze craftmanship, to the vivid artwork and the amazing churches to the gigantic neolithic sites who make Stonehenge look small. From the fabled, and not existing Prester John to the Rastafari movement which is mostly asocieted with the lovely island of Jamaica, it has shaped Europe and Asia in ways we can't immagine and vice versa.
But that's with a lot of Islamic culture by the way... Ever wondered where the names Yunus and Ibrahim came from for example? :)
Coton is a nice example of "Arabic" influence on our life as well, just as "Coffee" _qahwah_ (قهوة) the name is Arabic in origin: _qutun_ (قطن). I said "Arabic" because the Arabic language didn't exist in a vacuum, no language does. A lot of Arabic words have their origin in Persian, Berber, Hindi, Hitite, etc, etc....
Fun fact: A lot of "Islamic" countries have a ban on alcohol, which is an Arabic word as well ironically enough... _al-kohl_ (الكحل)
This is a long comment, have fun reading. If i had something wrong please point it out (In a civilized way!). :)
Muslims do use Kohl, as in kohl the make up.As for alcohol, a surprising number of " muslim" countries produce them.
The concept of alcohol as drink that make you, well, drunk has already existed in Arab countries way before Islam appeared. You can't ban something that doesn't exist.
@@MisterSiza78 Indeed, people are people. I always laugh at the inginious ways people work around bans.
@@Alia-bc3rc Alcohol, booze is one of the oldest human inventions, and Islam came pretty late to the game when it comes to religions. Most "muslim" countries where christian, zoarastian or believed in pagan dieties, like the Greek Pantheon before Islam came, through trade or conquest.
@Bob Jones 60% of Ethiopia is Muslim. The new prime minister is Muslim. Islam is the most practiced religion in Ethiopia
That music of beans is awesome
hmmm if you are getting "music" from your beans those are not coffee beans lol - guess you could grind those "musical" beans and brew them ..... I aint going to try it
I am so impressed that this guy can do all his speaking segments without reading in front of the camera.
I was in Saudi Arabia at the last day of Ramadan, in the evening, I was invited to join in the feast marking the end of Ramadan. There I was offered a bright green beverage, which I was told was Coffee as it was locally enjoyed. I do not remember the taste, but I have been craving it since that one time.
Green? You must be colour blind lol.It's beige
@@ashleyfromresidentevil4618 green coffee maybe raw form of the coffee. It's different than coffee but similar color like a tea.
"I'm really drunk so I don't want to write a description" so you went from a vid about donkeys mating to being drunk. Impressive I love this channel. I love Cafecito, it's good and keeps you awake
3 cheers for the admin deleting hate!
I enjoy watered-berries as well, my Antartican cousin.
Are you the same person as Avery Lopez-Baines lmao
You know me soooooo well!
Donkey Love! Sounds about right🤣🤣🤣🤣
In the time it took me to watch this video, it went from 200 views to 1200. Great channel, and getting well-deserved recognition!
Thanks for adding captions.
You and your team are quite the story tellers! I've been following you for quite some time and am really impressed with the variety and depth of subjects you produce. I'm very impressed! Thanks very much for all the videos.
I live in a Muslim country and was to other countries; Muslim majority or otherwise and yeah; it's not that common in Muslim countries especially comparing to other countries; even in Turkey, tea is more common. But then again, it was used by extremist so no wonder it didn't catch on as well as tea. The coffee as people know it in Muslim countries is reintroduced later by the western countries. So globalization in full effect.
True muslim arabian coffee is not black but yellowish green in colour, and contains cardamon and saffron, it's preparation takes ages, gently boiled and brewed for hours over a small flame, or in fire ashes, so it has become more of an occasional drink.
Nowadays, people in muslim countries drink turkish coffee in the mornings, and tea in the evening after meals as they are quick to prepare, and help digest.
Coffee used by extremists? Google Sufi please.
@@gallasAladdin "Extremist" as in "push themselves to live like hermit/ monk". Not "declare Holy War against every fancy thing that ticks their (so called) sensibilities".
@@gallasAladdin Well, they are extremist in one way or another. That being said, I don't deny the fact that I got confused by the name. Sry if that offended anybody in any way.
@@ghassanalfarra8935 this is interesting.. can we still find this kind of coffee nowadays (the yellowish green kind)
I didn't know this. Thank you Ethiopia ❤️❤️
Thanks islam
@@vegsyo647 No, thanks to the creator of the heavens and the earth who create everything for a purpose ☝
@@vegsyo647 thank you muslims in christian nation
Bonus thanks: you can brew tea from the leaves of a coffee bush, too! In the US you can order saplings from places like Edible Landscaping and have your own supply to experiment with. Coffee leaf tea produces something very similar to South America's yerba maté tea.
If you have trouble finding a recipe, try searching for "Ethiopian Kuti" because google sometimes has a hard time understanding that you're not looking for "green tea & coffee" but rather "tea brewed from the leaves of the coffee plant."
@@mixiekins thanks for the info. That's pretty cool and I have to check it out 👍🏼❤️✌🏼
We have a story in Vienna that the first coffee house came to the city via the second Siege of Vienna in 1653 when it was found by Georg Franz Koltschitzky it was called "the blue bottle". The Story is likely lagend. But ist shows that That Vienna knew that coffee and the Ottamenes were linked. Also, the first documented coffee-houses opened in 1685 which's just 32 years after the Siege. It took just over a hundred years for coffee to make its way from the Bosporus (1550) to the Danube (1685).
A cup of coffee + Ethiopian Jazz= Perfection!
Something I think is very interesting is what you said on the beginning, the Ethiopians weren't the ones who first understood the opportunities that coffee could bring.
We travel seeking for new things, yet interestingly we aren't very fond of exploring around what we think we already know completely, like our home and family, our country and people.
Weirdly, we search for new experiences way far from home than needed, and we usually don't bother about those widespread and simple bushes close to our homes, for us they're just bushes. But for a foreigner they can be the brown gold of coffee, that was sitting right beside us all along.
Cool, never really thought about the origins of coffee and yet I drink it almost every day. Excellent video
Damn Muslims, giving us enough energy to make it through the day
@Mary Smith Someone needs a coffee.
@Mary Smith in case you are not aware.
When you read the Qur'an of the Islamic faith, you will read that they believe that the Bible and the torah are from God too, just as the Qur'an, the final revelation.
When the Islamic Prophet was given a Torah, the old testament he placed it respectfully on a pillow, and when one reads the Islamic law book, the sharia law, it says that one must wash one's hands face and feet before even touching a Bible, this generally is thought of as something specific for before touching the Qur'an but the same respect it awarded to the other 2 Abrahamic Faiths revelations.
If it was a satanic idealogy, it would not have given any respect to their Brethren in Abrahamic faith.
Some reflections of mine.
@keep praying earnestly Actually....While the Scriptures (New Testament) is a Prophetic fulfillment and continuation of the Torah (Old Testament)....the Quran is in no way a fulfillment nor even a remote continuance of the Bible...but rather, “the Quran” is structured as a complete replacement of Biblical Scriptures. In fact, the Quran denies the basic foundation as well as the core beliefs that are paramount to the teaching of the Bible.
@@NadaVerse m.ua-cam.com/video/ValnscvfPdk/v-deo.html
The ten commandments are very foundational to the old and new testament, as you would agree.
The Qur'an teaches the exact same thing, check the above link,please.
So I don't know where you are getting your information from.
And in the Bible it mentions Prophet Jesus (God's blessing be on him) prayed while prostrating and placing his face on the ground.
Can you tell me which religion followers pray by placing there faces on the ground?
@Mary Smith
The word "Allah" is taken from the old Semitic- Aramaic (basically HEBREW) word for God ...
Google is your friend;
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Islam
Congrats (retard) for calling your own God -"satan". lol
Man, I've been watching your vids and you're educated and very informative and professional...You just gained a new Subscriber. Keep up the great work.
Polish legend says that coffee was found in Ottomans tents after Battle of Vienna
That's true but before that Genoese merchants carried coffee from Istanbul to Italy
This might be my favorite youtube series. Its pacing is relaxing, the ideas it presents are clear and well organized, and I always learn something. I hope you can continue to make videos here because the content quality is always top notch. Cheers.
Some historical music facts:
1.:
Bach wrote a coffee-cantate. Here are the last lines of the lyrics:
"Die Jungfern bleiben Coffeeschwestern.
young ladies remain coffee addicts.
Die Mutter liebt den Coffeebrauch,
The mother loves her cup of coffee
Die Großmama trank solchen auch,
the grandmother drank it also.
Wer will nun auf die Töchter lästern!
Who can blame the daughters!
--
This Translation in Parallel Format
English Translation by Francis Browne (June 2005)
Contributed by Francis Browne(June 2005)
Cantata BWV 211 - Coffee Cantata"
Link:
www.bach-cantatas.com/Texts/BWV211-Eng3.htm
2.:
A canon about coffee existed, too. It started with c-a-f-f-e-e, the music matching the name of the beverage.
The song claimed that coffee made you week, ill and addicted. It is not sung anymore with the original lyrics since these use some very discriminatory expressions for Muslims, who - as the song claims - brought the "Turkish beverage" to northwestern Europe.
"Carl Gottlieb Hering (* 25. Oktober 1766 in Schandau, Kurfürstentum Sachsen; † 4. Januar 1853 in Zittau, Königreich Sachsen" wrote and composed the Canon - not Mozart as sometimes told.
Source:
de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gottlieb_Hering?wprov=sfla1
Thank you very much for your beautiful and educative video!
Evan, it makes my heart go all a-flutter whenever you mention those magical M.O.P. words, even if you don't necessarily advocate for their seizure by the working class.
This channel is the best of UA-cam. Thank you for your hard work.
Music by coffee on a grindstone (Thanks grindstone, you rock)
Bravo
It absolutely blows my mind that these videos don’t get millions of views. I love your content
Friends,don't let friends,drink at Starbucks.
Friends don’t let friends get haircuts
Friends shouldn't let you use commas! ;)
This channel deserves way more attention. This was so well done. Thank you.
Turkish coffee is very good. An espresso with a spoon of sugar on top of the grounds and then a little orange water added for the aroma after it is brewed.
God Damn I love Rare Earth!
Thank you for making me smarter, again and again. I've been all over the world and I learn something new from you in every single video.
"I'm really drunk, so I don't want to write a description. This is a story about coffee. I hope you like it."
You sir, are exactly the hero UA-cam deserves.
Nice work, interesting video, good to hear the contributions of Muslims to the entire world. I thought you were going to talk about tea, because currently it's very common in the Muslim countries unlike coffee which is expensive due to high demand.
Sure, but tea isn't Muslim in origin, it's Chinese, though it is so globalized that almost every country has some kind of tea culture, which is nice.
UA-cam isn't worthy of your content, I feel truly lucky to stumble across this channel thats sorely underappreciated
Not sure how I found this channel, but subbed. Your videos are relaxing and informative. I look forward to learning more, thanks!
Actually Suleiman the magnificent tried to ban it once. But it came back after a while
To ban muslims from coffee is like telling Germans you can't have Beer. It is just wrong.
@@crylec6534 it dosent really have much significance anymore to us. Tea is more popular. But Suleiman tried to ban it cause people were skipping work or staying up late staying at cofee shops. Gossiping about the empire. Sometimes badmouthing the king . Plus its a foreign product to him. So he banned and destroyed all the cofee shops . His wife and most people still drank it in secret tho
@@SaltySalman wow, that's really interesting to know. I seem to recall that the rise of coffee houses in Europe also led to a lot of political murmurings.
Coffee is technically psychoactive substance, so the ban from religious viewpoint sort of make sense. It's just that coffee was way too popular among everyone who need their crunch time (read: scholar and bureaucrats) and technically no recorded cases of people lost their good judgment because of coffee, soooo....
Arabs took the coffee beans from Ethiopia- and did what they used to do with date seeds - roasted, ground and boiled. The drink made from date seeds is still called Qahwa in Arabic- just like the one made from coffee beans. Arabs used to drink it with no sugar or milk. Ottoman scholars argued if coffee is even permissible - it's addictive. They said it's allowed if you use it for good purpose - like studying late at night and memorizing books - not for wasting time with your mates and talking all night.
After Turks retreated from the battle of Vienna they left over 100 bags of coffee beans behind them. No one in Europe knew what to do with them - except for one Polish Jew who used to live in Istanbul. He took all the bags and started the first coffee house in Europe- in Vienna. Shortly after sweet coffee with cream (no milk) was known all over Europe as Polish style coffee! And it remained so till the early 20th century.
And I am a Polish Muslim 😉
I never heard about this, thank you
This channel is only getting better. You are making the name Hadfield something praiseworthy for multiple generations.
Zack Peach he *continues* to make the name Hadfield praiseworthy like his father before him 😉
@@jpe1 Semantically, you said the same thing I did. I didn't say "you will" but "you are making".
Thanks. Gotta go make some more coffee now. Happy Birthday, Kata!!
how does this channel not have 10million subs?
This is quality content!
Because the majority of the masses are idiots.
Probably late but happy birthday Kata!
And thanks everyone at Rare Earth for the great series.
@Rare Earth, your credits are always a delight to read, as are the documentaries. Thank you
meanwhile, in Britain: *P U R G E T H E H E R E T I C I N H O L Y F L A M E*
Your camera man must have huge balls to be swinging that camera so close into strangers faces.
You are a great orator. Your delivery is unique, love your videos.
The best description I've ever read
I’m now really interested in seeing you drunk after reading the description.
It’s crazy how I’ve never pondered where coffee comes from. It’s absolutely integral to my country, & without it we would never have gotten to our moderate wealth.
Did you know, the name of "Coffee " is driven from where the city( Ethiopia) originally discovered? The name of the city Called" keffa" . Every where in the world the name isasocited with the city where was discovered, except in Ethiopia. Coffee is called Bunna in Ethiopia. The same as the color of "brown"
Strangely, coffee is occasionally the name for brown in Chinese.
Wow never knew this side of coffee before! Thanks for the great video as always :)
On the other random note, not sure if I should count myself lucky or unlucky that I cannot drink coffee (I'll vomit and have bad gastric pain whenever I drink them, with or without milk). But I love the smell of coffee! Also thankfully I can enjoy lots of tea haha.
It was once banned in Prussia. They even got so called "Coffee sniffer", who walked around the streets, sniffing for the smell of coffee.
Caffine can also be an antidepresant for some of us. Imo, the advantages far out weigh the disadvantages, provided that you don't use too much.
Wait. So it's not essential oil?!
_What do you mean Herbalife had lied to us?!_
Great channel man, really glad I found you, thanks for not being Australian :)
In Serbia there is huge amount of coffee houses (kafana), unfortunately now used for alcohol :-( There is a story about first one named "Kafana (coffee house) at green beans". When Serbs liberated Belgrade from Turks they found at one place a lot of sacks full of "green beans" and they though that it is just some weird type of it so they made traditional meal with it. It turned out that it was coffee. Before coffee was reserved for Turks only so they did not even know that it exist. According to that story. Ofc, who know was it true it was so long ago.
I thought coffee was a Yemenis thing even mocha is called after a city port in Yemen. But this some new stuff, great content keep it up ;)
His explanation doesn't really contradict what you're saying... he just refrained from mentioning yemen for some reason, instead mentioning Muslim sufi mystics. Those mystics were from yemen, and it was indeed in yemen where coffee as a beverage became popular, and so the Yemenis began cultivating the plant on their own soil, hence arabica and mocha.
Samy Ebeid: Beautiful explanation brother, I’m from Ethio/Eritrean. It makes sense, both can claim their share of history righty. Shukren
Are those coffee pots at 4:33? I inherited something that looks just like that from my dad, it was with other stuff he brought home from when he “visited” North Africa in November 1942, I’ve never had any clue as to what it was.
that description is PRICELESS lol
I believe that this is the most cheerful video of yours that i have seen.
Love your work. I anticipate every new video. Thanks.
I'm from Costa Rica, a country in Central America only 200 yo. Coffee is an essential part of our culture, we are proud of harvesting high quality coffee and there are even coffee beans in our flag. Small family meetings are called "cafecito" -small coffee- for an evidence of how tight is the relation of coffee and Costa Rican culture. Thanks for this video. Is amazing to know what is behind this drink.
I didn't know the golden beads were symbolic of coffee. I'm glad I read this!
Your point about experimentation reminded me of cocoa beans. For millennia indigenous south Americans were mixing it with water to make a drink, but it took an Englishman to have the idea to mix it with sugar and press it into a solid bar, and then a Swiss to add milk to the bar.
To be fair, there was no sugar cane or sugar beet in the americas, and no cows for that matter.
This is pretty cool. From a rich and bitter drug for Sufi mystics to the disgusting iced Dunkin Donuts I subjected myself to this morning.
My name is Robby and I've been addicted to coffee for 10 years. It took everything from. Its because of my addiction that I know live in my local Starbucks
Awesome video man. As always.
The b-roll was so soothing
5:18 “coffee would never be known as a Muslim drink again” this is dead wrong. It’s still one of the most important parts of Muslim culture, because many Arab countries outlaw alcohol coffee is consumed by almost everyone and is prepared in thousands of ways. If told me you were invited into any home in Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Iraq or Saudi and they don’t offer you coffee within 10 minutes I straight up wouldn’t believe you.
If you drink it in Chicago, your first thought isn't "muslim". We no longer call it Mecca.
I didn't say no muslims drink it.
@@RareEarthSeries Likewise, we drink (and produce) a lot of coffee in Brazil, and I'm sure most people never heard about the Muslim connection :)
your videos never fail to entertain and enlighten. Love the content, keep it up!
Combines well with roasted zichorie root.
I find your description funny and relatable
“Those in Ramadan wanted to try this”
Pretty sure that did not end well if they drank a lot. Reminds me of how someone I know was really addicted to tea/coffee (she would drink a cup 2-3 times a day) and when Ramadan rolled around she ended up getting withdrawal symptoms (vomiting) on the first day and couldn’t fast for the first week or so because she was too sick. So yeah, don’t get addicted to coffee (or tea) kids if you’re fasting!
I'm so high on coffee right now that I feel jittery.
Just made myself a cup before sitting down to open youtube; what a nice coincidence :)
Here in Brazil I drink a lot.
We make a liter of coffee everyday.
Subscribed. This following a video on Donkeys hooked me:)
This is my favorite channel
IIRC coffee has been illegal in certain places.
Yemen should take a large portion of the credit for coffee.
Yea, man..
Loool NO
An outstanding historical date of the history of coffee is considered 1683, when the siege of Vienna by the Turks ended with a devastating defeat of the Ottomans.
The coffee stocks left behind by the Turkish troops became the basis of Viennese coffee culture: "A Pole living in the beleaguered city, who sneaked through the ranks of the besiegers in Turkish uniform, managed to bring in friendly troops. Vienna was liberated, the Turks left, leaving behind brown pods. "Camel food," the Viennese thought and began to burn and throw it into the Danube.
The Pole saved a few hundred sacks, for he knew about the "wine of Islam."
Years later, Georg Kolschitzky opened a Viennese coffee house. The first in the city of Vienna it should have been, says the legend, although already Armenian couriers had previously opened several coffee houses. With little success. Disgusted, the Viennese turned away from the potion reminiscent of ink and soot, too bitter, too sandy, too black.
It was only when the coffeehouse owners added milk and honey and left the coffee, the coffee-makers, who became coffeemakers, and the black water, through coddling, adapted to the Viennese, that the people accepted the "Little Brown" and the "Melange."
Coffee is not a drug. I can stop drinking it any time I want. I just don't want to.
I see what you did there
If it wasn't for Islam you wouldn't have your cappuccino
*LAUGH IN SPAGHETTI*
Huh ?
Places if it would’ve come out of it Ethiopia anyways, couldn’t waited and skipped the Islamic part.
Thumbs up for you posting this when you were drunk
Thank you Kaldi and Ethiopia
I think that happens everywhere, soccer (football) was only for the poor in Mexico, rich people would watch other sports, basketball, american football, but then in a World Cup, rich mexicans saw people from all over the world going crazy for it, europeans, africans, south americans, middle easterns, and ended up being accepted as the national sport by the higher class.
Horn African word for coffee is BUN. The bun seeds were used in religious ceremonies in pre Islamic and medical Muslim societies.
Working overnights I have become somewhat obsessive about getting good sleep, as part of this I experimented with avoiding coffee. Holy shit the withdrawals were crazy, but after I felt much better, woke up with more energy, slept better, slept quicker.
Now I treat coffee/caffeine like any other drug, infact I feel it's worse then some because it's subtle, it's a cure for it's own disease so to speak. The more coffee you drink the less sleep and less quality of slee you get and the more tired you become, which makes you crave coffee for the boost of energy, and on and on and on.
I am not saying it's evil and to avoid it, but use it strategically and limit it to less then once a week if possible.
God damn this was the best episode!
Finally found it's way to Westeros too. Might have been the White Walkers who introduced it coming from north of the wall. ;)
Wow .. a peice of the history of coffee in the middle east.. reminds me of an quote in a book I read that I agree with greatly.. A life studying a single blade of grass is not a wasted life.. in the same book it spoke of a wise man that learned about the entire universe by studying a single stone.. if anyone knows where I read this, please remind me ..
It's interesting how these things come about. How do you get from Ethiopian herders to Tim Horton's? Evan makes that journey so interesting, as he does all of the journeys he describes.
3:28 "If it wasn't for Islam..." I wonder how many vociferous anti-Muslim motor-mouths start their day with this particular drug.
Thank you for another fascinating story. I never know what to expect from this channel, but I know it will always be worth watching.
@@currently_In_stealth_behind_u Well, if you bothered to do some research you'd find that a large amount of modern mathematics and science has it's roots in the Muslim culture. No culture can claim to be pure and free of negative history. At the very least, try to understand what it is that Evan is talking about--the roots of many things we take for granted today are often very old and the journey to the 21st century is convoluted to say the least.
Here we go, criticizing islam while enjoying coffee somehow makes you a hypocritical motor mouth. Yes, because the two are indistinguishable from each other. Coffee is the symbol of Muhammad alayhi salam and thus if one drinks of this black liquid he must be well versed in His word. Please, shut the fuck up. What you have effectively just said is that if some fat Saudi fuck drives a Mercedes, all of his criticisms of the west are null. In fact, lets follow that logic. You typed this in English, so any beef you have with the Anglos is completely unfounded because how could you partake in the language of a people yet criticize it on anything?
@@DestructionOfRome
My problem is the same problem I have with those that try to paint all Christians as horrible people who imprisoned Galileo and ran the Inquisition. It's too broad a brush.
The majority of Muslims, the majority of Christians, the majority of PEOPLE spend their lives quietly, raising their families, helping each other out when needed.
The "hypocritical motor-mouths" I referred to are the ones that will condemn EVERY Muslim (or every Christian or every Buddhist) based on the horrible actions of a small minority. And it IS a small minority of any of these groups that causes most of the problems and, if you look at their actions and motivations, they are completely contrary to the beliefs they claim to follow. So the reality is, they are NOT Muslim or Christian or whatever. That's just the "team jersey" they use to justify their horrible actions.
I'm sure this back and forth commentary could (and will) go on forever. However, I don't find anything I said in my initial comment to be wrong or even offensive. I'm not saying every criticism of Islam is wrong, any more than any criticism of Christianity is wrong. I do say that there are a lot of hypocrites out there who use the broad brush and I object to that.
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Michael Cherry That was NOT the point you were making. What you are saying now has nothing to do with the absolute stupidity of what you originally said. You stated: I wonder how many anti-muslims start their day with this particular drug, as if partaking in coffee was somehow not mutually exclusive with one’s views of Islam. This is not about whatever you wish to change the subject as.