Tasting The Lost Species That Might Save Coffee
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2021
- The new paper, from April 2021: “Arabica-like flavour in a heat-tolerant wild coffee species” - www.nature.com/articles/s4147...
Finding Stenophylla (2020 full paper): www.frontiersin.org/articles/...
Kew Science: www.kew.org/science
CIRAD: www.cirad.fr/en/our-research/...
University of Greenwich Research: www.gre.ac.uk/research
Thank you to Kew and Dr Aaron Davis for the opportunity to learn more and to taste Stenophylla!
Image credits:
Coffea stenophylla, cultivated in Ivory Coast. Image: E. Couturon, IRD©.
Black & white image, of C. stenophylla cultivated in Trinidad (c. 1900). Image: Archives, Royal Botanical Gardens, Kew©.
Flower of C. stenophylla (note eight lobes instead of five, as in Arabica and robusta). Image: Daniel Sarmu©.
Harvest (fresh cherry) of C. stenophylla at CRB Coffea research collection (IRD-CIRAD), Reunion Island. Image: CIRAD©
Cupping at Montpellier CIRAD Sensory Analysis Laboratory. Image: CIRAD©
Sundried C. stenophylla cherry in Sierra Leone. Image: Daniel Sarmu©
Nature Plants research paper co-author Daniel Sarmu, preparing coffee tasting samples of C. stenophylla coffee in Sierra Leone. Image: Martha Sarmu©
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When it's too late to drink coffee so you consume a James Hoffman vid instead
you must be at a time zone relatively close to mine 😁.
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And Mark.
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It’s _never_ too late.
It’s a necessary sacrifice. And it’s a Saturday night. Let yourself live little. But yeah I get it, don’t want it to affect the sleep schedule!
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The antidote to pretentiousness is passion, and your passion combined with your expertise means it's easy and enjoyable to go on the journey with you. Thanks!
@Sdtok Nice analogy! Although I don't think it works all the way, since, in chess more than in coffee, moves are more objectively "good" or "bad". For coffee tasting everyone's perception is slightly different and also your preferences are different.
Nonetheless, agree with your point and Adam's point. Great knowledge and enjoyable to watch someone who knows their stuff :)
Here we are having the same conversation that Nestle shut down years ago during the GCQRI at the Borlaug Institute. Thank God the work in “wild” coffee still goes on. Outstanding, James.
Hi! You got any sources I can read? I would like to know what more chaotically evil activities Nestle have been up that I haven't heard about.
@@vinofiloblado1618 that’s not what I meant. How to develop climate resilient quality coffee plants was always the conversation. We just had a difference of opinion.
@@vinofiloblado1618 Nestlé is, unfortunately, lawful evil. It's far more sinister when the law says it's ok to steal water from the people and the land.
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I believe the motion grapher is the same one that made ua-cam.com/video/j805qJJajmM/v-deo.html it has the exact same style :D
This is probably one of the most exciting things I’ve seen in coffee. You can genuinely see James hope and excitement in his eyes as he takes a sip and tries to tell us all about this new future prospect in Speciality coffee.
James Nice piece - being a botanist and an admitted plant nerd; mixing botany and coffee taxonomy - Thanks! I am a trained seed scientist and field botanist. I had the good fortune of spending a month in a plant conservation course at Kew - our classroom view was of the Palm House ('a dream come true'). My specialty then was seed conservation techniques. I hope that those and other Coffea related species are able to be stored in seed banks including the Millennium Seed Bank.
That sounds so nice. I'm currently studying to be a botanist, to work in coffee as a botanist would honestly be the dream. I can completely agree mixing taxonomy, conservationist botany, and coffee all together made this video super interesting!
I always like it when James says to have a great day, and he's clearly had a great day already.
What a delightful topic.
There's something deeply ironic about drinking the potential coffee of the future while sitting next to the coffee cycler.
ironic, or potentially prescient?
I would love to see a followup to this that breaks down all the different steps that would have to happen to get the Stenophylla to mass production. Also what regions we could potentially expect to see it in around the world once it's to that state
Agreed. Id love to know more about this process.
I did a bit of reading, and it seems like most places that grow Robusta do so in part because it can tolerate heat better (though, it does still lose some yield). so, I would expect this to be grown by the same farms as Robusta. I could be wrong, though, I only did some light googling.
I am a coffee producer in Honduras, Central America. I would like to know how can I get seeds to grow plants in my coffee farm and see what happens
The smile after he smelled it, then took a deeper inhale. That made me smile too.
As someone with Sierra Leonean heritage, this is really exciting. The environmental impact of high altitude coffee and loss of suitable land had made me terribly sad with the state of the world but this is pleasing. Also, bit different to your normal videos but this is exactly the sort of thing I'd really like to see more of, so grateful you made this video. I'd really like to see coffee grown sustainably in Sierra Leone and see the country's name on labels in my local coffee roastery/cafe soon.
Sometimes I freaking love science, sometimes I freaking love coffee, and sometimes they come together to form something amazing. This research is exactly that coming together, and it’s truly amazing :)
And the editing. Don’t forget the editing. The painstakingly produced presentation and execution rivals professional documentaries.
@@paradise_valley it’s a james Hoffman video we’re talking about here. It kinda goes without being said that the editing is perfectly fitted to the content. And it is a professional documentary, just short :p
I guess when I said professional, I meant commercially produced vs independently crafted. But you’re right. It does go without saying.
And botany!
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To contribute to the future of humanity, however great or small.
truly is a deep and meaningful lesson. someday we will all be gone and new humans will be walking in our place. let's leave this place better than we found it.
Check out concept of the "infinite game" by Simon Sinek
Please contact cirad and see if they can invite you in order to test the coffee at the best moment ! A video in la Réunion would be so nice !
Second that, that would be so awesome
Wasn’t Réunion where the coffee King Luis the XIV consumed came from? They planted bourbon on Réunion if I remember correctly.
@@evanpiepenbrink4252 actually the old name of The island was ile bourbon. And yes you are right about the café du roy. It disappears from the island but was reintroduce recently. In french it's called bourbon pointu. Or arabica Laurina for latin. I think it's a japanese company who started the whole process.
@@AxelCalvet Yes yes, that's right, I recall that the name of the island was changed!
I feel excited and happy that you tasted this "for" us. I feel almost like we were there to taste it with you. Even the Covid save cupping method was used ^^
Wow-truly exciting developments!
Also, as a motion designer/animator (who's worked largely in editorial video), I want to compliment how nicely done this whole piece is. So lovely start to finish
Always amazed that I can watch quality content like this for free, brill vid.
“The smell is getting me a little bit excited” - was waiting for James to say that.
Kew Gardens is one of the greatest national treasures of the UK and quite possibly the world. So glad to see its being featured here.
Pretentious comes from the root "pretend". You are clearly (1) passionate (2) an expert on coffee tasting and (3) not pretending in the slightest. Not pretentious at all! Neither stuck up, as you go out of your way to be a friendly and approachable explainer!
Please do a review of other exotic coffee species, like Racemosa and Eugenioides 🙏
They're almost impossible to obtain to a mere mortal, so maybe you can help us at least try them vicariously.
Watching James on this kind of subject is a pleasure. The passion cuts through any pretentiousness.
As a coffee farmer in northern Tanzania we would love to experiment growing such a coffee as we have now started planting very unique tasting varieties but with that comes the problem of where can we find such seeds to experiment with.
I just say, you always give the community a reason, a hope to continue... You inspire me a lot and I'm so thankful for that. You're awesome James 🙏🏻♥️
James' videos are so beautiful. This was like a little documentary.
So much yes. Good production quality is fantastic
this is such a heartwarming video, i loved the first tasting faces
Loved seeing that smile come to your face sniffing the grind. It brought a smile to mine!
I love it when James shows his editing skills and attention to detail. The opening illustrations where amazing. Down to the little flickers across the background in order to not make it look like a power point.
Excellent video as always James!
I want my kids to someday enjoy a coffee journey like I’ve been able to have - this gives me hope. Thanks James!
Coffee is a very worker-oriented process. I hope that us part of it for them.
In my best Bond voice, "What do you have for me today, Kew?" :)
spot on!
James would make a great Q!
Amazing video, loved the interview, the story - but also, love the graphics and the music! Thank you
This is fascinating and so well narrated, thank you for all that you do.
Just a quick shout out to Aaron Davis and his team for doing some really important work that will hopefully keep me drinking coffee for years to come!
Cheers!!
the production quality of this is mind-blowing
This video format is fantastic! Hopefully we’ll see more of this in the future!
Profound topic! Love the video quality, the animations, guest appearance, everything 👌
This is so brilliantly made.
Great and interesting. I’m fortunate to have a plant geneticist father and Kew Gardens has a worldwide reputation. Imagine 20 years studying coffee plants. My dad studied pelargoniums for 40 years. Both nano niche scientists dedicated and passionate.
Genuine chills from this! The good kind. It's so inspiring and invigorating to see the work that is being done in the coffee industry to make sure that there is a sustainable, long term future for coffee to be produced and enjoyed. And I certainly enjoy it. not just drinking it. Making it, the roast, the grind, the educating myself on all aspects of it from the fruit to the cup. It's a journey I didn't mean to start and one that I am more than happy to continue!
Great video, James. Can't wait to see what comes next from this wonderful discovery!
Really lovely well produced video, thanks James!
I wonder whether this coffee species is resistant to coffee leaf rust. But this is definitely promising news in the coffee growing world!
That's what I was curious about as well!
You know you have reached maturity in life when watching James is MAKING your Saturday night ;-)
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@@paradise_valley yikes, ill be sure to steer clear then
@@mohammadtindick713 take a glance at his content and it’s this weird German dude in a mask moaning and whining at his two girlfriends. Apparently he’s ugly or something so he always has to wear a mask. Unsurprisingly no one sees his vids so he’s always out self promoting. I would stay away.
Im so glad you were able to try this and make a video!
Absolutely fantastic episode and high quality production too. Thanks James
More biodiversity in coffee is exciting. There might even be other options that haven't been found yet.
I'm happy to see you cup into a cup to drink from. Even before COVID, I was grossed out going to tastings. "Oh, rinse your spoon in the same room temp water that 10 other people are using, including the guy always blowing his nose."
Does moving the spoonful into another cup also help bring the temperature down a bit, making tasting more clear? I haven’t done much cupping, but I did go to one cupping educational event, and seem to remember that you don’t want to try super hot coffee.
@@yerald5925 yes, that's one of the reasons. But I'm pretty sure he wanted other people to try that special coffee too.
Wow. I was just reading this article the other day and was excited as well for the future. This gives hope. ☺️
Nice to have Aaron back on the channel, love his perspective on coffee, and some really interesting work.
James, I'm curious if you can make a video describing the different processes in making coffee decaf, and the resulting effect on the taste/flavor?
James out here providing high quality, out of the box content 🙏
Excellent animations and production quality in this video! Great job.
I would really love to try this. Thank you for sharing this important discovery!
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Hah! Was thinking the very same thing. 🤓
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I’m pretty sure it involves having the optimum growing conditions, the right balance of sun and humidity, paired with correct soil conditions. That’s how he gets it so sweet (with the perfect acidity and body)
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@@AlexG-bc7ji Very true, since I am personally witnessing my thinning hair as the years go by. Sigh.....🥺
I’d be incredibly interested in seeing how this does with different types of brewing, like espresso, aero press, moka pot, etc. it’s such a question mark in my mind that I’m just wondering how good or even just how different it would be in different situations
Thank you, James, for that positive note, and for highlighting the work of passionate researchers like Mr. Davis. I wish some parts of our industry were less harmful... But I know that many of us are working on this. And when I listen to you it gives me a lot of hope. So thank you, really.
The implications this species of coffee has for the future of coffee is astounding. Such an amazing video, hope is indeed the operative word.
This was one of the coolest videos you’ve done, really exciting stuff.
I have two questions - Are the breeding programmes designed to better the taste and yield? And if this can be grown in hotter environments does that mean that potentially new countries currently not producing coffee are now viable, or is production likely to stay where it is now but be more climate safe?
I have been always amused by the high quality of sound and video production of your channel
The mic is so good I always think his voice is the sound of coffee. I mean James is the human embodiment of coffee. That goes without saying.
You put out a poll asking what we subscribed for? This is the kind of thing I subscribed for.
Thank you so much for sharing, James!
I hope they "open source" the seeds so that it can be planted in other coffee growing countries.
I mean, the seeds are natural and so no one can patent or own them in any way. But I strongly suspect someone will hybridize Stenophylla to improve yields or disease resistance or whatever, and those seeds will be patented. We'll see.
I think seed is probably far too scarce and precious to be giving out to anyone who requests it. My hope is that the location of the plants is not revealed to ‘poachers’ as often happens with other rare and desirable wild plants, for example orchids, bromeliads, and palms. I’ve seen that happen with several species in Australia. Foxtail Palm (Wodyetia bifurcata) and Swamp Orchid (Phaius australis).
@@CitizenAyellowblue yeah it's gonna take some time before this can be widespread. We need cloning/breeding to create a stable population before we can worry about cultivating on any scale
@@jamesrempel8522 no one can patent them? That’s so so wrong. There have been a multitude of cases of greedy corporations patenting seeds so that developing countries cannot profit off them. Monsanto, most notably. www.gardenorganic.org.uk/seed-patents-explained
@@jasperfk Seeds can be patented if they are created by a person or a company. But not if they are discovered in nature. Hence my comment about a hybrid getting patent protection.
Heard about this on radio 4 the other day and wondered if it's something you'd have heard about, turns out the video was already in production.
Very interesting!
Wow, that was fast! The article was published on April 19th, and 5 days later your review is out! Damn! What authority in the coffee industry you are, @James Hoffmann! Thanks for providing such experience! I was really curious about the taste.
Wow! It’s blowing my mind. Thank you for extremely interesting learning James🤝🏼
So, James, does this mean that "micro-growers" could be a part of this future? As someone living in a low-elevation tropical area (southern Louisiana), I'd be super interested in trying to grow something like this in a greenhouse here in the US.
and... just for context... I'm speaking from a "single person growing a small greenhouse of coffee for themselves" perspective.
@@earlymusicmaker well Florida and California are already growing coffee (as well as the more traditional US coffee growing regions in Hawaii and Puerto Rico), so it seems there may be a market for you!
@@jengreen1592 Thanks. I'm really interested in the idea of a coffee like this being a source for smaller growers to increase genetic diversity... seems like this species might be a candidate. Wouldn't it be cool if, like tomatoes (lol), people had a small personal crop of coffee beans? I know, crazy idea
Now you got me excited for something that barely exist...
This is such a high quality video that I was only paying attention to the editing and graphics for the first minute.
My weekly issue of The Economist arrived on the same day as this video and right there in the Science and Technoligy section was an article about Dr Davis' work on Coffea stenophylla. Amazing.
Saw a newspaper article talking about this a couple days ago and my immediate thought was “i wonder what James makes of this” 😂
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Hawaiian coffees! I don't know what species they are, but even in Portland, Oregon none of the roasters use it. I saw a video recently about how growers in the islands have hundreds of thousands of pounds from the 2020 harvest that's just sitting around due to decreased demand.
Kona is mostly Arabica var. Typica and small amounts of the related Blue Mountain Jamaica (BMJ) Typica.
It does give a sense of what coffee would cost with first world wages: Kona green beans are ~$35-40/lb wholesale, whereas roasters can get high scoring specialty coffees at $5-7 / lb wholesale from most origins. The only coffees that fetch Kona's sort of price worldwide are Panama Geisha, Jamaican Blue Mountain, and coffees from war-torn Yemen. I'd expect most roasters don't think there's commensurate value for that price in the Kona and Jamaica beans.
Great find James, thanks for sharing the love
Fabulous work - well done Aaron!
The editing man. Wow.
I wonder if James did this. No credits in the description.. Could be a ghost editor.
Oh... I’m fairly certain James edits all his videos himself or at least collaborates on it, given the general belief over here. I doubt he would conceal such info from us maybe he has a crew now.
COFFEE SCIENCE!! More please!
This is such a great video James, very well done!
Loved your approach ! 👏 👏 👏
Thanks James, well writed, filmed and an excellent montage ! What else ? 😉
Published in Nature!?!? Fascinating. That's a big important journal for those in the sciences. This is a big development.
I was literally googling this earlier! James H can read my mind! (I wish haha)
I don’t know if I would want him reading my mind (he might get upset at how I think the game of scrabble between himself, Scott Rao and Chris baka plays out)
I don't want anyone reading my mind.
Haven't seen James smiling so much in one video xD such an awesome discovery! Thanks for bringing it to our attention!
Amazing, you covering this is great. Thanks James
I will be borrowing your excuse...errrrr...i meant your reason... for having 5 full spoons of coffee next time I do public cupping. hahahaha.
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More amazing content. Thank you to you and your team James 👍
Excellent review.. encompassed the entirety of my attention start to finish.
It's startling to hear that even a 1 °C increase in global average temp (a foregone conclusion by this point) is "devastating" to the coffee industry. One doesn't even want to imagine the staggering number of things that are at risk that we today hold dear and yet take for granted.
Last time I was this early it was followed by an awkward cuddle..
There's no such thing as early.
😂😂😂
I had been hoping for this since I first heard about the Nature paper 🙌
OK! Bringing this kind of info to the people made me a Patreon. Keep up the good work!
Wait so they're testing Stenophylla in Réunion? I'm getting wild beans from a friend's garden who lives there, in a few weeks, how can I determine the species?
I would suggest looking for the certain characteristics of the bean, fruit or even better the whole plant. Did you ask him about it?
the following reference would seem to be a good place to begin: www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpls.2020.00616/text
So coffee grown in Queensland or the top end when???
I really want to try some home grown Australian coffee
I was thinking the same thing, this sounds like a plant that could grow in places like Oz
We already have locally produced coffee that is meant to be interesting but I'm with you. It would be the ideal location.
Well it might be quite a lot of effort for pretty little gain but for sure a fun and interesting project nonetheless. If you think about it a plant takes years to mature fully and grow fruits and the amount per plant is low to very low. Coffee is expensive for a reason 😁. Sadly I'm not in a region to do this but if I could I would try it too.
That’s interesting but also a strange reaction, why would you want Australian grown coffee?
@@jengreen1592 why wouldn't I? Stenophylla sounds like it's perfectly suited to the northern low lying tropical rainforests. Also guaranteed no slave labour (except maybe some British backpackers trying to earn a working visa) and less transport costs or pollution. And the number 1 reason: because it would be interesting.
Though now I know there is already Australian coffee out there I going to try that too.
Fantastic production value and storytelling.
Amazing, amazing video. Thanks, James.
Imagine he was about to taste it and accidentally knocked the whole bowl over
*table sipping intensifies*
Has genotyping identified genes that might affect it's heat-adaptive properties? Could they be spliced into Arabica?
Why do all that work and put in all that investment when the original can compete well with Arabica in taste?
@@ginsederp the yeild of arabica is likely better.
The future is looking bright and fully stimulated. Thanks for your excellent research and bringing awareness to this future coffee variety. I look forward to purchasing on store shelves in the distant future.
Amazing production quality 😲 really enjoyed the video