*The 11.0.5 guide is in progress, looking to have it out before the weekend. Until then, please refer to the written guide on WoWHead:* www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/mage/arcane/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps *Pure ST Import String* C4DArhxZfsv/vllYUrQS3iw2nbMMbzCmxMmFPAPgZGGTzMmBAAAAAgBCYmZaZWWmZmZWWWmZiFAAAAAA2AYZGDzMzMDDzMGzMjZmZmhxA *Raid Cleave Import String* C4DArhxZfsv/vllYUrQS3iw2nbMMbzCmxMmFPAPgZGGTzMmBAAAAAgBCYmZaZWWmZmZWWWmZiFAAAAAA2AYZGDzMzYYYmZGzMjZmZmhxA *Mythic+ Import String* C4DArhxZfsv/vllYUrQS3iw2nPjhZzCmxDMzs4B4BMmxYamxMDAAAAAgBCYmZaZ2WmZmZWWWmZiFAAAAAA2AYZGDzMzYYYmZGzMjZmZmhxA
Hey, was wondering what else i need for these "tracker" addons to function, is it a part of soemthing else, or can i just download them and use them in-game?
@@M.A.K.B Most of these trackers are based on an addon called Weakauras. Once you install Weakauras you can import the trackers by copying the import string on the tracker's Weakauras page.
@@M.A.K.B Weakauras and either Bigwigs or DBM are the essentials that I would recommend everyone use. Everything else is mostly up for preference. Here's an addon video I made at the start of Dragonflight which is still mostly up to date (description has a list of all my Addons/Weakauras): ua-cam.com/video/h5zlMEOi-Ik/v-deo.html
I wish you made guides for every class because you are 1000000% the best guide maker out there. As an Arcane main once and always, I look at other guides for my alts and feel sad for the people who don't have the benefit, nay privilege, of seeing your videos (do know I share your channel as much as I can). Great work again as per always. Keep up the great work!
I beg you, please do a video comparing both arcane hero talents, speaking about their strenght, why one can be better than other, which one is easier to piloti, which one is more consistent in high movement environments (when you cant just sit and dip dmg). Love your guides
I really appreciate your graphics during the guide. I know those are a pain to make sometimes and they really help (me) to understand the material better. Thank you.
Hey im just 2:40 minutes into this guide and you explain these things so well that i like and subscribe to your channel! Hope this supports your cause. Cheers!
phosphorous, i need you now more than ever my dude. please make an updated slinger guide. i cant live like this anymore. they gutted sunfury and slinger rotation feels terrible rotation wise to play compared to it
I like this rotation a lot more than Sunfury but obviously SF is miles ahead in terms of damage at the moment. Will be interesting to see what tuning looks like come heroic week
You want to Barrage at 1 stack of NP so that you can double dip it and get 3 consumptions of Nether Precision rather than 2. So the general loop is Missiles > Blast > Blast+Barrage
Spellslinger feels way more forgiving and intuitive in AOE. It's also easier to play even in ST, to be honest. At least to me it felt that way. If you lose your Arcane Charges by mistake as Sunfury in AOE, your damage plummets. Same if you miss out on Burden of Power. But none of that punishment for Spellslinger. You just cast Arcane Explosion to recover charges (without the penalty of delaying Burden of Power because there is no BoP to build towards in the first place). You don't have to pay as much attention to your Surge window either, since there is no Arcane Soul follow up for you to time a Barrage against. Things like that... But on the flip side, that added gameplay depth is what a lot of players find appealing about Sunfury, despite the added punishment for mistakes. BoP and AS really do shake up the rotation in interesting ways. Aesthetically, Sunfury feels more fleshed out as well, and has a very tangible lore inspiration that makes it feel like a proper sub-spec (it scratches the Kael'thas itch so good). One more draw that Sunfury has, to me, is that it completely avoids casting Arcane Explosion in AOE, which is convenient for M+, as needing to be in melee for optimal damage kinda doesn't feel great. In short, they both have their appeal. Spellslinger has intuitive and straightforward gameplay that is more forgiving for mistakes while still being enjoyable and visually impressive. And Sunfury has a strong aesthetic theme and a more involved gameplay for those who like min-maxing opportunities. I'm overall very happy that Arcane gets to choose between two great options rather than having a clear winner.
IMO The whole idea of spellslinger just fits the arcane theme so much better than sunfury, it’s too much towards fire for me. I do kind of hope it takes the prime spot for raids at least 🤞🏼
@@xdgamesCoUk That's just number tuning, which is _always_ subject to change. I was talking more gameplay and aesthetic wise. Both are very good on that front. Besides, Spellslinger is decent tuning-wise. It's just that Sunfury is a clear outlier that is very likely to be nerfed. As a matter of fact, Sunfury is getting nerfed tomorrow. But unfortunately, they chose the worst way possible to nerf it. Instead of just tuning down numbers, they decided to also remove double dipping on Burden of Power, which is gonna screw up the gameplay quite a bit.
@geekwars3998 gameplay and aesthetics wise I agree with you. But WoW is largely just a numbers game, it doesn't matter how much fun you are having if your dps is lower than people in your group expect, they will think you are trolling or that you are rubbish. In that respect a dps spec that does significantly more dps will always be the "winning" spec / correct choice. I honestly don't get why people are so upset about the change double dipping. So you don't press arcane barrage after arcane blast at that point anymore ... how does that mess up the gameplay? Casting blast blast barrage is considered particularly engaging is it?
Thanks a lot! Could you please explain, why do we cast Arcane Blast with NP + Arcane Barrage as #2 priority during Filler phase? How does this benefit the dmg? Thanks !
Ive been working toward a crit haste stat prio with spell slinger since the splinters (i dont think) do not work on our mastery and mana is not a real concern with the build. Not sure its the way to go but the logic seems sound. They still need to up the clear casting a bit because on mini burn you can enter a pack without it and if you touch+barrage theres a chance you wont get it during that time period and wont be able to finish the magi spark combo off ( at least in these heroics so far) so i always try to explode until i get one before entering the mini burn touch phase.
Question, I read that the double dipping of the glass barrage doesn't work anymore? Can you elaborate on that? Also, has anyone done any testing on using arcane blast arcane blast, then missiles as opposed to using barrage and losing your charges when it comes to overall damage. Seems like there's some time and damage loss when you lose your charges due to barrage every another precision stack you get. Just curious. I've not tested it myself, but it's a slightly more complex rotation than just blasting 2x and then missiles.
Yep i'll be posting a quick update video tomorrow going over the rotation changes and should hopefully have the new full guide out sometime before the weekend
I prefer Spellslinger both in terms of playstyle and visually. Hoping Blizzard does some more tuning (the correct way!) and lets Spellslinger shine in some scenarios.
The only thing I'm confused about (I think, for now) is -- you say to use barrage whenever i have 4 charges in AoE, but doing this on dummies, sometimes I'm left with no way to get back to 4 charges when RnG procs fail me. if I don't have evocation, I don't have any procs, no orb, no maji/surge -- but use barrage with 4 charges, then I'm stuck at 0 charges and have to hard cast weak arcane blasts/use explosions or wait for orb to get back off CD. Normally it's "only use barrage/charges whenever you have a way to regain the charges", but what am I missing since there's no way back to charges without waiting for CDs in this scenario? Lmk if I have to clarify anything :)
Your guides are very good and concise, keep up the good work! Just wondering, what is the addon or weakaura that keeps track of your casts and gcd at the top of the screen?
Which would be better DPS to always clip arcane missiles or never clip it, if you had to do one or the other? (I'm guessing clipping it, but want to make sure).
With the changes to Nether Precision double dipping, would you say the guide is still up to date? And is Spellslinger a viable option over Sunfury? I'm pretty new to playing mage but I like the feel and fantasy of Spellslinger a lot more for Arcane over Sunfury but also don't want to grief groups or anything :D
Until the 20th anniversary patch (expected October 22nd), double dipping on Nether Precision is still possible and as such this guide is still up to date. As for the viability between the two specs, Sunfury is still ~15% ahead of Spellslinger. That said, it's not a case of Spellslinger being bad when compared to other classes, it's more of a case of Sunfury being OP. So unless you're pushing cutting edge or m+ for title, you probably can do fine with Spellslinger. I also prefer the feel and fantasy of Spellslinger but am playing Sunfury for the damage :p
@@PhosphorosWoW Its middle of the pack in raids, not bad just not great, Sunfury im top 3-4 so its def noticable difference, i think its much closer in mythics, SS can throw nasty damage out so for most people just doing up tp + 10 i think its fine
There’s a talent called Aether Attunement, which makes it so that every third time you consume Clearcasting, it procs and makes your next Arcane Missiles cleave and do more damage.
Thank you for the support! Intuition is the name of the buff that you get from the 4 piece tier set bonus. It's not available in game until the season starts next week.
It's just a fun Weakaura that plays the sound whenever Arcane Barrage lands inside of Touch of the Magi. Not required at all. Here's the link if you want to give it a try: wago.io/6desM--1m
@@PhosphorosWoW Ooooohhh!! I will actually definitely use this. I've always had to guess whether or not my first AB is hitting when I'm close to the target. Thank you!
I leveled my mage just before changes came out and decided to not really invest heavy into it until new guide comes out, can i ask how does spellslinger perform vs sunfury in M+ ?
Do you have any WA, so that you always know when you can cast Barrage and get your charges back, I’m confused when to use barrage, or does not matter if u lose charges?
Hey Phosphoros, sorry in advance if I somehow missed from your video, but why do we cast Shifting Power during TotM? Shouldn't we suppose to focus on dealing max damage during TotM?
One of the hero talents causes Shifting Power to generate 8 splinters (which then also causes a Splinterstorm). This turns Shifting Power into a damage cooldown just as much as a CDR cooldown. You don't have to specifically hold it for TotM or Surge every single time because it's still valid to use it for cooldown reduction. Following the use case listed in the Filler section usually works out to using it on cooldown.
@@PhosphorosWoW Oh I get it, haven't got a chance to read Spellslinger talents yet thats why I didn't knew, thank you so much for explanining it such a clean way ❤
Do you save shifting power por SURGE or you use it on CD? I believe you use it on CD and only on OPENER you can use shifting power. Because it basically only alligns on the OPENER, other than that, the cds of shifting power and evocation/arcane surge never match again. Is this correct?
Yes, following the priority list for Shifting Power will most of the time pretty much have you casting it on cooldown. In real M+ scenarios however, your cooldowns are more likely to be synced with Surge/TotM due to downtime so you would want to prioritize using it there for maximum damage.
This looks amazing but what is the rotation like when you have to be constantly on the move? Many of these new dungeons seem to be always dropping dangerous crap on the floor, which you have to avoid.
The Sunfury nerfs came out to a ~4.2% nerf assuming we make no changes to the rotation. There will be optimizations to be made if the nerf goes through however, so it will be less than 4.2% once the adjustments are made. I expect another round of nerfs to Sunfury and/or Spellslinger buffs soon but at this exact moment, Spellslinger is still ~17% behind Sunfury. That's not to say Spellslinger is bad at all, it's just that Sunfury is really OP.
@@PhosphorosWoW cheers for the math bro, I had no clue that Sunfury was that far ahead right now, although I can feel it. I’ve literally just got my head around the various nuances of SF arcane so hopefully they won’t meddle with it again 😂. Honestly your guides are top tier bro so I feel I can speak for all of us when I say we appreciate you. Keep plugging away and we will keep promoting you. Peace
This is a very informative video. The problem I'm having with my arcane mage, which I've been playing for 19 years now, is that this expansion has significantly change the way range DPS works for this type of character. I am not enjoying this new style of playing because it feels like it's really much more AOE DPS? I don't like that the orbs are uncontrollable and they have a tendency to Agro mobs. I don't like that arcane barrage can trigger an orb because I don't know what direction I'm pointing. And I feel like they've change the way that the style of play works so significantly that it's really changed the way it feels to play this character. After 19 years, I'm finding myself feeling that I can't really control the DPS that I want to control as a fight and I am hesitant to go into a raid or a dungeon with other players because I'm concerned that I will Agro a problem or that I will not be doing efficient DPS. I think the information and the rotation that you are suggesting is spot on but it's more about the way arcane measures rolling out with all of these changes. This not working that well for me? Thank you for taking the time to make this.
I’ve ran over 100 heroic dungeons as Arcane in TWW and have accidentally pulled extra mobs with an AB Orb fewer than 5 times. Just slightly angle your character toward the nearest wall and orb will never pull extra.
Thank you for creating another guide. Especially since they are nerfing Sunfury. Which are you playing and do know you the dps difference between them?
Even after the Sunfury nerf it's overall a 3.4% nerf after rotation adjustments and Spellslinger is still ~17% behind. Until they make further Sunfury nerfs/Spellslinger buffs I think Sunfury is the only real choice for high end content because its so OP.
Great content as always yo! Do you have any thoughts on play style or rotational adjustments for heroics until mythics come out? With 20 second packs and 35ish second bosses considering mob density and smaller health pools, are we losing out on damage going cleave or aoe?
Thank you for the support! The consensus at the moment is if you're playing Sunfury, to follow the Spellslinger AoE rotation for heroics. If you're already playing Spellslinger then there's no changes. Just have to wait until harder content releases.
There's a hero talent that causes Shifting Power to generate 8 splinters (which automatically creates a Splinterstorm). This effectively turns Shifting Power into a damage cooldown just as much as a cooldown reduction cooldown.
I would say Spellslinger is more beginner friendly since there is way less stuff to track and the rotation is a lot more traditional. That said, Sunfury is 17% ahead of Spellslinger at the moment so if you care about doing the most DPS possible I would have to recommend Sunfury.
question please, new to mage and maining it for TWW. First thank you for your helpful video. Why are you using shif of power after applying touch of the magi? Arn't you supposed to be dpsing as much as you can after having put Touch on a target rather than channeling ?
There's a hero talent that causes Shifting Power to generate 8 splinters (which then guarentees a Splinterstorm) and this actually turns Shifting Power into a pretty good DPS ability during Touch.
Nope at this moment Spellslinger is still 17% behind Sunfury. It's not that Spellslinger is bad compared to other classes but Sunfury is just still OP. I expect further Sunfury nerfs/Spellslinger buffs soon though.
Thanks for the guide:) Sunfury: If BOP can no longer be double dipped by spell queuing will it affect the rotation for both ST and AOE or will it remain the same? Also which hero talent do you think will be stronger for M+ and Raiding?
There will ultimately most likely be changes to both the ST and AoE rotation but the APL is currently being worked on, so we are still following the same rotation as before except doing 4.2% less damage post-nerf. I'll have a new guide out once the rotation changes are solidified. I expect another round of nerfs to Sunfury and/or Spellslinger buffs soon but at this exact moment, Spellslinger is still ~17% behind Sunfury. That's not to say Spellslinger is bad at all when compared to other classes, it's just that Sunfury is really OP, so it's probably stronger for M+ and Raiding at this moment.
At the moment Sunfury is still ~17% ahead of Spellslinger in all content even post-nerf. I do expect some more Sunfury nerfs/Spellslinger buffs very soon though.
What is the reason behind casting normal arcane missiles during AOE filler instead of Arcane Explosion? Since casting Arcane Explosion will also consume Clearcasting and grant nether precision, as well as refresh more arcane charges than the non-aoe Arcane Missiles? Is the damage from Arcane Explosion so rubbish that its better to just target a single enemy with missiles and skip doing AOE damage?
Arcane Missiles with High Voltage will on average grant 2 charges per cast, so the generation is pretty much the same. Factoring in Arcane Debilitation and Arcane Harmony stacks makes Missiles win out over Explosion.
Anyone who tells you specific stats to aim for is most likely incorrect. You should always sim yourself with Top Gear on Raidbots to make the best gearing decisions based on your current gearing situation.
At this exact moment, Spellslinger is still ~17% behind. That's not to say Spellslinger is bad at all when compared to other classes, it's just that Sunfury is really OP. I highly suspect there will be another round of nerfs to Sunfury and/or Spellslinger buffs soon.
Only for Burden of Power. Nether Precision can still be double dipped. So, that change to remove double dipping is applicable to Sunfury alone. I know. It's extremely confusing, which makes the change all the more stupid in my opinion.
It's still pretty behind. Probably over 15%. But that's mainly because SF is overtuned. SS by itself is fine compared to other classes. So, SF is still likely to see more nerfs. SF nerf changed practically nothing, balance wise. SF is still king. It will just have much worse and more confusing gameplay with the removal of BoP double dipping. Blizzard clearly had no idea what they were doing with that change. It was an unnecessary shot in the dark. They could've simply brought down numbers and avoided changing gameplay.
At this exact moment, Spellslinger is still ~17% behind Sunfury if the Burden of Power changes go live. That's not to say Spellslinger is bad at all when compared to other classes, it's just that Sunfury is really OP. I highly suspect there will be another round of nerfs to Sunfury and/or Spellslinger buffs soon.
Yep you always clip in both single target and AoE even while running HV and being lower than 4 ACs. Only time you don't clip is if you have Aether Attunement.
The reasoning behind it is that in ST we just want to consume as many NP stacks as possible to generate as many splinters as possible. In AoE we just want to hit 4 charges quickly and Barrage as much as possible. Non-buffed missiles are slow and don't really do any damage on their own. The damage comes more from the NP stacks they provide.
@@PhosphorosWoW but with HV, not clipping AMs would result in higher ACs which would mean faster cast time on AB? One might think that getting an AC by not clipping would result in, close to, as many NP AB + ABarr? Also, another argument is, the more ACs spend on ABarr the higher chance there is for Orb barrage proc, which means faster AC recovery and more splinters generated
It only does good damage during Aether Attunement. Outside of that it's very mediocre. Most of the damage from pressing Arcane Missiles comes from the Nether Precision stacks you gain. As such, we clip the weaker Missiles casts in favor of casting more Nether Precision buffed Arcane Blasts.
"Better" is a strong word. The gameplay will objectively be worse and more confusing to new players. But yes, SF is still stronger than SS, even after the nerf. And this is before any rotation optimizations that would account for the change to BoP.
As CharlieToof mentioned, if you're having trouble landing Touch of the Magi before barrage lands, this macro can help. Just spam click it when you want to instant cast TotM right after Barrage: /castsequence reset=10 Arcane Barrage, Touch of the Magi, Touch of the Magi
They plan to get rid of double dipping on spellqueue only for Sunfury's Burden of Power. Nether Precision will still able to be double dipped in both Sunfury and Spellslinger.
Nope, at the moment Sunfury is still ~17% ahead of Spellslinger in all content even post-nerf. I do expect some more Sunfury nerfs/Spellslinger buffs very soon though.
The double dip change will only be affecting Sunfury's Burden of Power which comes out to about a 4.2% nerf with no rotation changes. It will most likely be less once the APL is updated. Nether Precision will still be double dippable on both hero talent trees.
Big money big dawg, I actually like spellslinger a lot more then sunfury(ya I know its the big dps spec atm) mainly because theres a lot less to track and it just feels smoother to me. I've been playing wow for 17 years and I've seldomly found anyone who makes such clear and concise guides. I'm gonna stick with spellslinger for a while, because I believe they're going to hit sunfury with a bigger hammer soon. Thank you for the video's sending it to all my mage bros rn 🤙 Edit: Can you share the weakaura that makes the cha ching sound whenever you hit Barrage in time of TOTM?
Thank you for the support! I agree I think Spellslinger feels more fluid and I like that the AoE rotation actually feels like an AoE rotation rather than Sunfury's ST for AoE. I also agree that we're likely going to see more Sunfury nerfs and/or Spellslinger buffs very soon.
*The 11.0.5 guide is in progress, looking to have it out before the weekend. Until then, please refer to the written guide on WoWHead:* www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/mage/arcane/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
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Hey, was wondering what else i need for these "tracker" addons to function, is it a part of soemthing else, or can i just download them and use them in-game?
and what other addons would you recommend using?
Bro you are the best pve arcan :D
You help me a lot to fight against the arcan haters ;)
P.S I like to double dip my chips ;)
@@M.A.K.B Most of these trackers are based on an addon called Weakauras. Once you install Weakauras you can import the trackers by copying the import string on the tracker's Weakauras page.
@@M.A.K.B Weakauras and either Bigwigs or DBM are the essentials that I would recommend everyone use. Everything else is mostly up for preference. Here's an addon video I made at the start of Dragonflight which is still mostly up to date (description has a list of all my Addons/Weakauras): ua-cam.com/video/h5zlMEOi-Ik/v-deo.html
I wish you made guides for every class because you are 1000000% the best guide maker out there. As an Arcane main once and always, I look at other guides for my alts and feel sad for the people who don't have the benefit, nay privilege, of seeing your videos (do know I share your channel as much as I can). Great work again as per always. Keep up the great work!
100% accurate
yes, yes he is.
I beg you, please do a video comparing both arcane hero talents, speaking about their strenght, why one can be better than other, which one is easier to piloti, which one is more consistent in high movement environments (when you cant just sit and dip dmg).
Love your guides
Best WoW guide maker out there. Keep it up bro!
Appreciate you so much thank you!
Im thinking about boosting an Mage but i feel like nerfs are gonna hit like a truck before raid and will kill mage completely
Actually a really good guide sir
I really appreciate your graphics during the guide. I know those are a pain to make sometimes and they really help (me) to understand the material better. Thank you.
same man, my brain just absorbed the info 10x better with it
This is the cleanest arcane mage guide I've seen so far ! Keep up the good work 🙏
Hey im just 2:40 minutes into this guide and you explain these things so well that i like and subscribe to your channel! Hope this supports your cause. Cheers!
Thank you for the kind words!
phosphorous, i need you now more than ever my dude. please make an updated slinger guide. i cant live like this anymore. they gutted sunfury and slinger rotation feels terrible rotation wise to play compared to it
as always best arcane mage guide maker
Thanks!
Thank you Katsamajoto it means alot I appreciate the support!
The runescape music during the 3 minute rotation is an underrated add here.
I like this rotation a lot more than Sunfury but obviously SF is miles ahead in terms of damage at the moment. Will be interesting to see what tuning looks like come heroic week
Here, before they change something in rotation. Again.
Change was for SF
Thank you so much, your guides are super useful and clear! Great job, please keep up!
Clear and concise explanation of spell rotations and tips. I am happy to subscribe to your channels Phosphoros. Keep the content coming! Thank you 😊
Why did you arcane missile > arcane blast at 8:00 instead of arcane missile > arcane barrage?
You want to Barrage at 1 stack of NP so that you can double dip it and get 3 consumptions of Nether Precision rather than 2. So the general loop is Missiles > Blast > Blast+Barrage
Anyone else prefer Spellslinger over Sunfury?
Spellslinger feels way more forgiving and intuitive in AOE. It's also easier to play even in ST, to be honest. At least to me it felt that way. If you lose your Arcane Charges by mistake as Sunfury in AOE, your damage plummets. Same if you miss out on Burden of Power. But none of that punishment for Spellslinger. You just cast Arcane Explosion to recover charges (without the penalty of delaying Burden of Power because there is no BoP to build towards in the first place). You don't have to pay as much attention to your Surge window either, since there is no Arcane Soul follow up for you to time a Barrage against. Things like that...
But on the flip side, that added gameplay depth is what a lot of players find appealing about Sunfury, despite the added punishment for mistakes. BoP and AS really do shake up the rotation in interesting ways.
Aesthetically, Sunfury feels more fleshed out as well, and has a very tangible lore inspiration that makes it feel like a proper sub-spec (it scratches the Kael'thas itch so good).
One more draw that Sunfury has, to me, is that it completely avoids casting Arcane Explosion in AOE, which is convenient for M+, as needing to be in melee for optimal damage kinda doesn't feel great.
In short, they both have their appeal. Spellslinger has intuitive and straightforward gameplay that is more forgiving for mistakes while still being enjoyable and visually impressive. And Sunfury has a strong aesthetic theme and a more involved gameplay for those who like min-maxing opportunities.
I'm overall very happy that Arcane gets to choose between two great options rather than having a clear winner.
IMO The whole idea of spellslinger just fits the arcane theme so much better than sunfury, it’s too much towards fire for me. I do kind of hope it takes the prime spot for raids at least 🤞🏼
@geekwars3998 but SunFury is the clear winner ... Mage is a pure dps class and SunFury does much more dps.
@@xdgamesCoUk That's just number tuning, which is _always_ subject to change. I was talking more gameplay and aesthetic wise. Both are very good on that front.
Besides, Spellslinger is decent tuning-wise. It's just that Sunfury is a clear outlier that is very likely to be nerfed. As a matter of fact, Sunfury is getting nerfed tomorrow. But unfortunately, they chose the worst way possible to nerf it. Instead of just tuning down numbers, they decided to also remove double dipping on Burden of Power, which is gonna screw up the gameplay quite a bit.
@geekwars3998 gameplay and aesthetics wise I agree with you. But WoW is largely just a numbers game, it doesn't matter how much fun you are having if your dps is lower than people in your group expect, they will think you are trolling or that you are rubbish. In that respect a dps spec that does significantly more dps will always be the "winning" spec / correct choice.
I honestly don't get why people are so upset about the change double dipping. So you don't press arcane barrage after arcane blast at that point anymore ... how does that mess up the gameplay? Casting blast blast barrage is considered particularly engaging is it?
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Thanks a lot! Could you please explain, why do we cast Arcane Blast with NP + Arcane Barrage as #2 priority during Filler phase? How does this benefit the dmg? Thanks !
Ive been working toward a crit haste stat prio with spell slinger since the splinters (i dont think) do not work on our mastery and mana is not a real concern with the build. Not sure its the way to go but the logic seems sound.
They still need to up the clear casting a bit because on mini burn you can enter a pack without it and if you touch+barrage theres a chance you wont get it during that time period and wont be able to finish the magi spark combo off ( at least in these heroics so far) so i always try to explode until i get one before entering the mini burn touch phase.
Question, I read that the double dipping of the glass barrage doesn't work anymore? Can you elaborate on that? Also, has anyone done any testing on using arcane blast arcane blast, then missiles as opposed to using barrage and losing your charges when it comes to overall damage. Seems like there's some time and damage loss when you lose your charges due to barrage every another precision stack you get. Just curious. I've not tested it myself, but it's a slightly more complex rotation than just blasting 2x and then missiles.
Omg best guide is here !!!
hey just wondering is there any changes to the rota with patch 11.05?
great vid btw ty
Will we have an update video about the Sunfury rotation once it is established??
Yep i'll be posting a quick update video tomorrow going over the rotation changes and should hopefully have the new full guide out sometime before the weekend
@@PhosphorosWoW I love you
thanks for your guides man, we´re really appreaciate it. In fact you´re a big potion why i myselfe play arcane mage. Keep it up Phos :)
Appreciate the support thank you!
Awesome guide! Do you have an import string of your Spellfrost Teachings proc?
Thank you for the support! Here's the link: wago.io/dXT0ePx2G
Hey @Phosphoros , is this guide viable for the 11.0.5 Spellslinger changes?
Which of the two hero talent playstyles do you prefer?
Which visuals do you like better?
I prefer Spellslinger both in terms of playstyle and visually. Hoping Blizzard does some more tuning (the correct way!) and lets Spellslinger shine in some scenarios.
Really good guide, thank you!
Yay. Do you plan to make guides for other mage specs? Liked and subbed!
first guide i see which is really helpfull on arcane mage, not preheat who is yapping 100000 lines of information.
The only thing I'm confused about (I think, for now) is -- you say to use barrage whenever i have 4 charges in AoE, but doing this on dummies, sometimes I'm left with no way to get back to 4 charges when RnG procs fail me. if I don't have evocation, I don't have any procs, no orb, no maji/surge -- but use barrage with 4 charges, then I'm stuck at 0 charges and have to hard cast weak arcane blasts/use explosions or wait for orb to get back off CD. Normally it's "only use barrage/charges whenever you have a way to regain the charges", but what am I missing since there's no way back to charges without waiting for CDs in this scenario?
Lmk if I have to clarify anything :)
Is this still up to date? After the last minute Sunfury nerf yesterday i want to try Spellslinger. Thank you for the greatest guides!
Tree is different, hero talent changed, no more double dipping either
Your guides are very good and concise, keep up the good work! Just wondering, what is the addon or weakaura that keeps track of your casts and gcd at the top of the screen?
Thank you for the kind words! It's a Weakaura, here's the link if you want to give it a try: wago.io/cWI3bhMz2
can u make a new video about the new rotation for sunfury?
Yep I'm posting a quick rotation update video on it tomorrow while i work on updating the actual guide
We need a new guide ! Lol :p idk if its still same 90% rotation ofc other changes ... we are waiting for you !
How do i easly track aether attunement and neather precision? Got some weakauras but i dont get which is which. Thanks..
Which would be better DPS to always clip arcane missiles or never clip it, if you had to do one or the other? (I'm guessing clipping it, but want to make sure).
Curious, quite new to the game and leveling multiple characters to get a feel for them. This looks insane, are you a void elf? Or night elf? :)
do you keep blasting at 4 charges instead of sending barrage?
With the changes to Nether Precision double dipping, would you say the guide is still up to date? And is Spellslinger a viable option over Sunfury? I'm pretty new to playing mage but I like the feel and fantasy of Spellslinger a lot more for Arcane over Sunfury but also don't want to grief groups or anything :D
Until the 20th anniversary patch (expected October 22nd), double dipping on Nether Precision is still possible and as such this guide is still up to date.
As for the viability between the two specs, Sunfury is still ~15% ahead of Spellslinger. That said, it's not a case of Spellslinger being bad when compared to other classes, it's more of a case of Sunfury being OP. So unless you're pushing cutting edge or m+ for title, you probably can do fine with Spellslinger. I also prefer the feel and fantasy of Spellslinger but am playing Sunfury for the damage :p
@@PhosphorosWoW Awesome, thanks so much for the quick response and the amazing guides!
@@PhosphorosWoW Its middle of the pack in raids, not bad just not great, Sunfury im top 3-4 so its def noticable difference, i think its much closer in mythics, SS can throw nasty damage out so for most people just doing up tp + 10 i think its fine
Nice guide !
How do you get that “cling” sound when doing barrage/ touch of magi. I neeeed this
Do you think Sunfury will still be the stronger option post the Sep 3rd nerf?
THE KING !!!
Love Your guides 👍 Got any plans on doing Frost/Fire variants aswell in the future maybe ?
The only guide need
I’m new to mage so my question is how does arcane missile hit multiple targets?
There’s a talent called Aether Attunement, which makes it so that every third time you consume Clearcasting, it procs and makes your next Arcane Missiles cleave and do more damage.
Hi, where can I find the spell/talent called “Intuition”?? I cannot find it…. Thanks for the good work on mage guides
Thank you for the support!
Intuition is the name of the buff that you get from the 4 piece tier set bonus. It's not available in game until the season starts next week.
@@PhosphorosWoW thank you so much, it was driving me crazy. 🫶
Out of Sunfury and Spellslinger, what would you recommend for Mythic+ content?
So what is the "Cha-ching" sound representing?
It's just a fun Weakaura that plays the sound whenever Arcane Barrage lands inside of Touch of the Magi. Not required at all.
Here's the link if you want to give it a try: wago.io/6desM--1m
@@PhosphorosWoW Ooooohhh!! I will actually definitely use this. I've always had to guess whether or not my first AB is hitting when I'm close to the target. Thank you!
so do we play sunfury or spellslinger ?
I leveled my mage just before changes came out and decided to not really invest heavy into it until new guide comes out, can i ask how does spellslinger perform vs sunfury in M+ ?
Do you have any WA, so that you always know when you can cast Barrage and get your charges back, I’m confused when to use barrage, or does not matter if u lose charges?
Hey Phosphoros, sorry in advance if I somehow missed from your video, but why do we cast Shifting Power during TotM? Shouldn't we suppose to focus on dealing max damage during TotM?
One of the hero talents causes Shifting Power to generate 8 splinters (which then also causes a Splinterstorm). This turns Shifting Power into a damage cooldown just as much as a CDR cooldown.
You don't have to specifically hold it for TotM or Surge every single time because it's still valid to use it for cooldown reduction. Following the use case listed in the Filler section usually works out to using it on cooldown.
@@PhosphorosWoW Oh I get it, haven't got a chance to read Spellslinger talents yet thats why I didn't knew, thank you so much for explanining it such a clean way ❤
thank you for this Phosphoros !
Do you save shifting power por SURGE or you use it on CD? I believe you use it on CD and only on OPENER you can use shifting power.
Because it basically only alligns on the OPENER, other than that, the cds of shifting power and evocation/arcane surge never match again.
Is this correct?
Yes, following the priority list for Shifting Power will most of the time pretty much have you casting it on cooldown. In real M+ scenarios however, your cooldowns are more likely to be synced with Surge/TotM due to downtime so you would want to prioritize using it there for maximum damage.
This looks amazing but what is the rotation like when you have to be constantly on the move? Many of these new dungeons seem to be always dropping dangerous crap on the floor, which you have to avoid.
I use ice floes instead of shimmer for this
What’s the feeling on the ground. Is SL going to be competitive with SF after the queueing nerfs?
The Sunfury nerfs came out to a ~4.2% nerf assuming we make no changes to the rotation. There will be optimizations to be made if the nerf goes through however, so it will be less than 4.2% once the adjustments are made.
I expect another round of nerfs to Sunfury and/or Spellslinger buffs soon but at this exact moment, Spellslinger is still ~17% behind Sunfury. That's not to say Spellslinger is bad at all, it's just that Sunfury is really OP.
@@PhosphorosWoW cheers for the math bro, I had no clue that Sunfury was that far ahead right now, although I can feel it.
I’ve literally just got my head around the various nuances of SF arcane so hopefully they won’t meddle with it again 😂. Honestly your guides are top tier bro so I feel I can speak for all of us when I say we appreciate you.
Keep plugging away and we will keep promoting you. Peace
This is a very informative video. The problem I'm having with my arcane mage, which I've been playing for 19 years now, is that this expansion has significantly change the way range DPS works for this type of character. I am not enjoying this new style of playing because it feels like it's really much more AOE DPS? I don't like that the orbs are uncontrollable and they have a tendency to Agro mobs. I don't like that arcane barrage can trigger an orb because I don't know what direction I'm pointing. And I feel like they've change the way that the style of play works so significantly that it's really changed the way it feels to play this character. After 19 years, I'm finding myself feeling that I can't really control the DPS that I want to control as a fight and I am hesitant to go into a raid or a dungeon with other players because I'm concerned that I will Agro a problem or that I will not be doing efficient DPS. I think the information and the rotation that you are suggesting is spot on but it's more about the way arcane measures rolling out with all of these changes. This not working that well for me? Thank you for taking the time to make this.
I’ve ran over 100 heroic dungeons as Arcane in TWW and have accidentally pulled extra mobs with an AB Orb fewer than 5 times. Just slightly angle your character toward the nearest wall and orb will never pull extra.
@@Haemesh Thanks, but for me the feeling of ranged DPS has changed to a more AOE style and I am not enjoying the transition, so far...
Thank you for creating another guide. Especially since they are nerfing Sunfury. Which are you playing and do know you the dps difference between them?
Even after the Sunfury nerf it's overall a 3.4% nerf after rotation adjustments and Spellslinger is still ~17% behind. Until they make further Sunfury nerfs/Spellslinger buffs I think Sunfury is the only real choice for high end content because its so OP.
Great content as always yo!
Do you have any thoughts on play style or rotational adjustments for heroics until mythics come out? With 20 second packs and 35ish second bosses considering mob density and smaller health pools, are we losing out on damage going cleave or aoe?
Thank you for the support! The consensus at the moment is if you're playing Sunfury, to follow the Spellslinger AoE rotation for heroics. If you're already playing Spellslinger then there's no changes. Just have to wait until harder content releases.
In aoe you don’t want to blast and spell que a barrage with one stack of nether precision? That’s only a sunfury thing?
Correct, in AoE the only time you spellqueue is when you want to Blast inside Touch.
Is nether precision that floating bulp above your head?
It is the two blue Clearcasting stacks in my UI. You can find the Weakaura I use here: wago.io/-ApNbKpq1
Why do we Shifting Power during Touch of the Magi?
There's a hero talent that causes Shifting Power to generate 8 splinters (which automatically creates a Splinterstorm). This effectively turns Shifting Power into a damage cooldown just as much as a cooldown reduction cooldown.
CHA-CHING! I love this Spellslinger!!
What is the addon you use for the casting bar ? I like that it's split with bars inside.
It's called Quartz
Earned the sub mate, top dollar work
Amazing guide, but Im curious, do you full channel Shifting Power or do you clip it at some point?
Yep fully channel never clip. Appreciate the support!
What is more arcane beginner friendly? Spellslinger or sunfury ?
I would say Spellslinger is more beginner friendly since there is way less stuff to track and the rotation is a lot more traditional. That said, Sunfury is 17% ahead of Spellslinger at the moment so if you care about doing the most DPS possible I would have to recommend Sunfury.
question please, new to mage and maining it for TWW. First thank you for your helpful video. Why are you using shif of power after applying touch of the magi? Arn't you supposed to be dpsing as much as you can after having put Touch on a target rather than channeling ?
There's a hero talent that causes Shifting Power to generate 8 splinters (which then guarentees a Splinterstorm) and this actually turns Shifting Power into a pretty good DPS ability during Touch.
@@PhosphorosWoW makes sense now ! thank you for your reply
Is there a big difference in SF and SS in mythic plus?
Spellslinger is currently ~15-17% behind Sunfury so I would have to recommend Sunfury for any kind of high end content.
So now Phosporos, with the nerf of the double dipping on Sunfury, Spellslinger will be better you think?
Nope at this moment Spellslinger is still 17% behind Sunfury. It's not that Spellslinger is bad compared to other classes but Sunfury is just still OP. I expect further Sunfury nerfs/Spellslinger buffs soon though.
Thanks for the guide:) Sunfury: If BOP can no longer be double dipped by spell queuing will it affect the rotation for both ST and AOE or will it remain the same? Also which hero talent do you think will be stronger for M+ and Raiding?
There will ultimately most likely be changes to both the ST and AoE rotation but the APL is currently being worked on, so we are still following the same rotation as before except doing 4.2% less damage post-nerf. I'll have a new guide out once the rotation changes are solidified.
I expect another round of nerfs to Sunfury and/or Spellslinger buffs soon but at this exact moment, Spellslinger is still ~17% behind Sunfury. That's not to say Spellslinger is bad at all when compared to other classes, it's just that Sunfury is really OP, so it's probably stronger for M+ and Raiding at this moment.
I have with exatli same rotation more dps with sunfire talents … so what talents better
At the moment Sunfury is still ~17% ahead of Spellslinger in all content even post-nerf. I do expect some more Sunfury nerfs/Spellslinger buffs very soon though.
what is better for M+ and in general AOE dmg ? spell slinger or sunfury
At the moment, Sunfury.
What is the reason behind casting normal arcane missiles during AOE filler instead of Arcane Explosion? Since casting Arcane Explosion will also consume Clearcasting and grant nether precision, as well as refresh more arcane charges than the non-aoe Arcane Missiles? Is the damage from Arcane Explosion so rubbish that its better to just target a single enemy with missiles and skip doing AOE damage?
Arcane Missiles with High Voltage will on average grant 2 charges per cast, so the generation is pretty much the same. Factoring in Arcane Debilitation and Arcane Harmony stacks makes Missiles win out over Explosion.
@@PhosphorosWoW thanks for the info👍
Great guide, waiting for sunfire guide. PS: what are the stats for this build?
Ur vids are fire ty
Arcane, not fire
@@KeionnRaven 🤣
What stats do arcane mage focus on and how much % for like haste/mastery etc
Anyone who tells you specific stats to aim for is most likely incorrect. You should always sim yourself with Top Gear on Raidbots to make the best gearing decisions based on your current gearing situation.
Is spellslinger better than sunfury, ive been going of the data from wowhead and it says that sunfury is best for arcane mage
Gread guide thank you.
Does high voltage still give the same amount of charges if you clipped it vs not clipping?
The individual ticks that you clip won't contribute to High Voltage charge gain, but you'll still on average gain 2 charges per cast.
What's Intuition? Can't find it anywhere in the talents or procs or buff or anything.
It's the name of the 4 piece tier set bonus that comes from the raid. Not available until next week.
@@PhosphorosWoW Oh, I see. Now it makes sense. Thanks!
Can you do fire mage guides sunfury and frostfire please
This going to be the new main spec for arcane?
Sunfury is still 17% ahead and as such is the go to hero spec. That's not to say Spellslinger is bad, Sunfury is just OP at the moment.
Think this will be worth playing after the changes to Sunfury? nest guides. Keep it up. Subbed.
At this exact moment, Spellslinger is still ~17% behind. That's not to say Spellslinger is bad at all when compared to other classes, it's just that Sunfury is really OP. I highly suspect there will be another round of nerfs to Sunfury and/or Spellslinger buffs soon.
u believe Spellslinger will be buff?
Double dipping dosen't work anymore? :)
Only for Burden of Power. Nether Precision can still be double dipped. So, that change to remove double dipping is applicable to Sunfury alone.
I know. It's extremely confusing, which makes the change all the more stupid in my opinion.
Yep way more people are confused about that change than I initially expected. Blizz really messed up on this one.
How behind is this build compared to sunfury after the nerfs?
It's still pretty behind. Probably over 15%. But that's mainly because SF is overtuned. SS by itself is fine compared to other classes. So, SF is still likely to see more nerfs.
SF nerf changed practically nothing, balance wise. SF is still king. It will just have much worse and more confusing gameplay with the removal of BoP double dipping. Blizzard clearly had no idea what they were doing with that change. It was an unnecessary shot in the dark. They could've simply brought down numbers and avoided changing gameplay.
@@geekwars3998thank you!
So, is the gunna be our go to if the burden of power changes go live? 😅
At this exact moment, Spellslinger is still ~17% behind Sunfury if the Burden of Power changes go live. That's not to say Spellslinger is bad at all when compared to other classes, it's just that Sunfury is really OP. I highly suspect there will be another round of nerfs to Sunfury and/or Spellslinger buffs soon.
Do you clip AMs even when you run HV and are at lower stacks than 4 ACs?
Yep you always clip in both single target and AoE even while running HV and being lower than 4 ACs. Only time you don't clip is if you have Aether Attunement.
@@PhosphorosWoW Seems counterintuitive to me
The reasoning behind it is that in ST we just want to consume as many NP stacks as possible to generate as many splinters as possible. In AoE we just want to hit 4 charges quickly and Barrage as much as possible.
Non-buffed missiles are slow and don't really do any damage on their own. The damage comes more from the NP stacks they provide.
@@PhosphorosWoW but with HV, not clipping AMs would result in higher ACs which would mean faster cast time on AB? One might think that getting an AC by not clipping would result in, close to, as many NP AB + ABarr? Also, another argument is, the more ACs spend on ABarr the higher chance there is for Orb barrage proc, which means faster AC recovery and more splinters generated
Arcane missles does so much damage, whats the reason to clip it?
It only does good damage during Aether Attunement. Outside of that it's very mediocre.
Most of the damage from pressing Arcane Missiles comes from the Nether Precision stacks you gain. As such, we clip the weaker Missiles casts in favor of casting more Nether Precision buffed Arcane Blasts.
With the nerfs is sunfury still better?
"Better" is a strong word. The gameplay will objectively be worse and more confusing to new players.
But yes, SF is still stronger than SS, even after the nerf. And this is before any rotation optimizations that would account for the change to BoP.
Does ping make a difference? I am struggling to make ToTm land before the Arcane Barage hits.
@@rosssummerell7999 nope, is pretty simple, just make a macro and spam it (arcane baragge,tot)
As CharlieToof mentioned, if you're having trouble landing Touch of the Magi before barrage lands, this macro can help. Just spam click it when you want to instant cast TotM right after Barrage:
/castsequence reset=10 Arcane Barrage, Touch of the Magi, Touch of the Magi
didn’t they get rid of spell que buffs?
They plan to get rid of double dipping on spellqueue only for Sunfury's Burden of Power. Nether Precision will still able to be double dipped in both Sunfury and Spellslinger.
Is spellslinger better than sunfury now ?
Nope, at the moment Sunfury is still ~17% ahead of Spellslinger in all content even post-nerf. I do expect some more Sunfury nerfs/Spellslinger buffs very soon though.
how does the Arcane missles become an aoe is it from talent ?
Its from the talent called Aether Attunement on the bottom left of the Arcane tree
They’ve getting rid of double dipping tomorrow?
They're getting rid of the double dip on Sunfury's Burden of Power but Nether Precision will still be double dippable in both hero talents.
They gonna change so we cant double dip are they not? How impactfull is that on the dmg?
Marginal. Like 1.5%-2% nerf
The double dip change will only be affecting Sunfury's Burden of Power which comes out to about a 4.2% nerf with no rotation changes. It will most likely be less once the APL is updated.
Nether Precision will still be double dippable on both hero talent trees.
oooh I see! thanks for replying. hopefully arcane will still be great :D
Big money big dawg, I actually like spellslinger a lot more then sunfury(ya I know its the big dps spec atm) mainly because theres a lot less to track and it just feels smoother to me. I've been playing wow for 17 years and I've seldomly found anyone who makes such clear and concise guides. I'm gonna stick with spellslinger for a while, because I believe they're going to hit sunfury with a bigger hammer soon. Thank you for the video's sending it to all my mage bros rn 🤙
Edit:
Can you share the weakaura that makes the cha ching sound whenever you hit Barrage in time of TOTM?
Thank you for the support! I agree I think Spellslinger feels more fluid and I like that the AoE rotation actually feels like an AoE rotation rather than Sunfury's ST for AoE. I also agree that we're likely going to see more Sunfury nerfs and/or Spellslinger buffs very soon.