Well some of us do care (we're here) but indeed generally speaking Brexit is still only a topic in the UK, the EU moved on years ago and has other fish to fry now.
@@geraldwagner8739 Het is hilarious hoe in hun kranten en andere media ze niet kunnen stoppen met zeiken over de EU waar ze al hun invloed op hun typische hooghartige wijze hebben opgegeven, terwijl hier in de EU je nauwelijks nog krantenberichten of dergelijke kan vinden over Brexit. Zij wilden Brexit, zijn kunnen er niet overheen. Zo blij dat ze vertrokken zijn. Wat een zielig land vol hautaine leugenaars.
My brother went to Canada for 2 years, and never came back. I went to work in the Netherlands for a year, and 43 years later I'm still here. You do risk losing young and highly skilled poeple
No worries, many young and highly skilled people will like to go to the UK, my son did and had not returned, it goes both ways, the UK, well London to be specific is still a strong magnet for young people.
@@K2teknik.there is no doubt that UK is still an attractive destination for young people from non skiing countries. The immigration statistics clearly show this.
And this is the problem. I myself, many decades ago, studied in Britain and met the love of my life and we got married. But Britain does not want to risk any of this fraternisation and 'immigration' due to it, going forward. Hence no Youth Mobility Scheme. And Britain does not want British youngsters to know and experience that so many things are better in EU countries either.
Your final point about the parallel between Keir Starmer and Theresa May is so on-target and self-evident. The picture of Starmer going round various EU heads of government, essentially trying to bypass Brussels, is so depressingly ridiculous that one despairs.
Warning. As any Swiss negotiator will tell you, member states are very good at giving you a nice smile and telling you sweet nothings whist allowing the Commission play hardball. That’s what they are there for.
What is that with British people still talking about Brexit after 8 years, in the EU we don't heare enything about Brexit. The UK left and joining again will be a long way, and how long will the UK be a member? Or do we get the same hassle with the UK after a few years leaving again?
The Brexit losses are horrendous and rising rapidly. That's why the British are talking about Brexit. They will be broke in 4 to 5 years. And more and more Brits are realising this.
Its pretty normal for a nation suffering the consequences of a bad decision to still talk about it. What I find not normal is that the conversation in the Uk is stuck, it hasn´t evolved at all since the referendum. They are still banging on about which % voted what, the legality of the ref, the lies etc. They still are trying to find unicorn ways of cherry picking from a non existing EU menu the parts they would like, despite being told over and over again there is no such menu. Any normal country would be speaking about how to organize society and life outside the EU in the short to medium term, making clear that membership is not a short term option and will be discussed in the future when the country could have a chance of joining and the popular vision of the uk public would support such a move. Alas, that requires a level of maturity the undereducated and thus rather immature society of the uk doesnt have.
well the sincere answer to that is that Britain created a huge problem for itself with brexit. So it's right for the brits to be wrestling with their own stupidity for a long time. However, it is also a concern for the EU, albeit a much less important one than it is for the UK.
No, it's nutty Remain zealots who keep ranting and banging on and on about Europe. Everyone else is happy and overjoyed we left the rotten and corrupt EUSSR dictatorship.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany EU and German exports to UK have collapsed. Goods too expensive due to European greed. Germany now THE SICK MAN OF EUROPE. Cheer up Fritz!
The EU hold all the cards and until the UK undertakes very serious root level reform there will be no reset. Britain has a lot of work to do before it will be attractive to Brussels. Hubris, arrogance and the fantasy of British exceptionalism got us into this mess, it won't get us out of it.. that will require humility, introspection and honesty. I don't expect to see the UK back in the EU within the next 20 years, it will likely take that long for British people to understand their place in the world.
The strange thing is that in the 1970s and 1980s British public opinion seemed to be moving in a more realistic direction about Europe. The legacy of Thatcherism and the poisonous Eurosceptic press of the early 1990s then stood everything on its head. We are still bearing the consequences of this U-turn.
Why do so many have such a difficulty understanding once out, the Uk is out? As it is and probably for a generation or more, the Uk does not meet EU standards.
The withdrawal agreement was a disaster. It has made the U.K. poorer. They could have ‘negotiated’ a softer Brexit but Johnson wanted to ‘get it done’ for his own political status. Complete disaster. Why can’t people understand that leaving the EU in such a chaotic way made this country poorer in so many ways?
@@williamtaylor337 Because Starmer voted for it. He was happy, Johnson was happy. What's changed? Brexit made the UK poorer, as we always knew it would. NOT the WA, NOT the TCA! It was Brexit itself and not having a shred of a plan what to do with it afterwards. The agreements were negotiated on both sides without obligations, the EU did not force anything on the UK. The UK willingly negotiated, signed and ratified exactly these treaties. Including Starmer who also got Labour to vote for it, as I recall. Now that the negotiations are over and because every British side was in agreement, it is a bit rich complaining now! Especially members of Starmer's government who also voted for the TCA. At the same time as complaining, Britons do not realise that the EU is now equally bound by the TCA and they also must stick to it. And they are happy with it and do not wish to renegotiate. Britain cannot negotiate with itself! So live with it.
Try studying the Draghi Report ..? The EU is slowly becoming an economic and political irrelevance....😅😅😅 Why would Britain wish to.sign up to that..??
Leaving the EU was easy: ticking the wrong box, when "joining" will be a bit more.. complicated : - 3rd-country UK must submit a membership application to the European Council (27 Heads of State or Government) - which asks the European Commission to assess the applicant’s ability to meet the Copenhagen criteria. If it's OK: - The European Council then decides on a negotiation mandate. If no EU member vetoes: - Negotiations are then formally opened on a subject-by-subject basis (33 chapters) - Once the applicant meets all the conditions for membership, - it must implement EU rules and regulations in all areas… - 27 EU parliaments must approve the application… Maybe in 2066, 50th anniversary of Brexit.. and 1000 years after the Battle of Hastings..😄
in politics rules are made to be broken. if we wanted back in and it suited germany and france for us to be back in, I promise you it would be done. the French and Germans are not going to allow a 'little' member to dictate things within the EU.
@@highlight9014luckily we know the value of a British "promise". And we know the British level of not understanding how the EU functions, as you display once again with the eternal "Germany and France decide" nonsense. All because you realise that when your fantasy is not true, the UK will have to follow the same route as any other lowly new applicant, and the UK is unable to overcome even the first hurdle of the Copenhagen criteria for many years to come.
@highlight9014 "the French and Germans are not going to allow a 'little' member to dictate things within the EU." Always the same 🐮💩 since the Brexit vote.. There are no "little" members within the EU: in 2016, a tiny Belgian region (3.6 mn people) said NO and they won : « Belgium Walloons block key EU Ceta trade deal with Canada, demanding stronger safeguards on labour, environmental and consumer standards. » BBC 24 October 2016
@@highlight9014 Rubbish. But then again that's a very Brit way of looking at things if the rules are only broken "in a specific and limited way". On trade there are not only 27 national parliaments with a veto but 10 or so regional ones. You obviously don't know that Wallonia blocked CETA for months before its concerns were addressed. Your attitude seems vto mirror that of a lot of British politicians who think that trawling around individual EU countries can make some difference to the EU's policies and procedures.
Short answer. NO, Sorry, you made the decision, not us. Theres a famlus picture of the negotations where the EU negotiators sat with their folders and reams of papers they had after three years of preparing. Then there was Frost, sorry, Lord Frost, the whisky salesman and his cohort with not a single sheet of paper in front of them! You thought you held " all the cards". You just didnt hsve a clue and the EU negotiaters kicked ass.
@@EUidentityoh ok. Guys let them back in, only half voted for it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. FK ENGLAND FK ENGLAND FK ENGLAND FK ENGLAND FK THE ENGLISH FK THE ENGLISH . FK OFF BACK TO FRUITCAKE ISLAND .
@@batcollins3714 The idiot who thought he held all the cards, and hence didn't need any papers was David Davis. Lord Frost was an excellent waffler; it's not a skill I'd recommend but it worked for Leave supporters who were eager to 'learn' that negotiations were not entirely negative.
Can Brexit be 'reset'? No. Can the UK apply for another EU membership? Sure! Meet the criteria first and then hope there won't be any vetoes when applying. Good luck!
@@andrewwatson5324 and meeting the current criterias will not be humanly possible within 30 years. And that is if everything goes perfectly. I would not put my money on that. A more realistic prospect is 60 years.
@ulfosterberg9116 The UK hasn't drifted that far from the current criteria. The worst-case successful applicant took about 12 years and the best case about 3. The government has to get the economy back on track fairly quickly to avert a desent into fascist dictatorship and the only way to do that is by joining the EU.
When an immigrant from the UK lives and works in an EU country they see themselves as living in a UK Colony and assimilation into the new country is not happening. That is why they call themselves Expats, always being able to return the Empire at any time. Brexit was simply leaving the Colony and going back to the motherland. How do you want to reverse that?
@@CrownRider very good point .. I live in Spain 38 yrs . To me their my primos. Hermanos .nietos . My spangles is horrid I admit. Cockney Spanish dialect .. but ?? I consider myself a dago now,,, might Even apply for a Spanish passport next year . But your right about the Brits and the empire bit but not all of us , northern Europeans are all the same , especially the dutch. The Germans still think they are the bosses of Europe
@@colinstickland3130 "But your right about the Brits and the empire bit but not all of us , northern Europeans are all the same " So Brits are not all the same but northern Europeans are all the same? You demand not to be painted with a broad brush while you paint northern Europeans, Dutch and Germans with that same broad brush? Putting all that into two sentences is perhaps the most ignorant and stupid thing I ever had to read.
It can be reset but it would be exclusively on EU terms. We have no leverage. Any treaty/contract can be changed but by agreement of all the parties to the original agreement.
@@taffyman6089 Reset in its literal sense would mean going back to the starting point and making things undone. But that's not possible. How do you get back all the time and all the money being spent on both sides for dealing with Brexit? This is gone. And all the misbehavior, the insults and threats from UK people, media and politicians towards the EU, their member states and citizens. The trust which has been damaged due to all of that. The way UK residents from other EU countries have at times been treated after the referendum. All of that cannot be undone. And pretending that all of that never happened will also not be done. Peoples lifes, careers and wellbeing have been affected. Other, more important topics have been delayed because the EU had to deal with a topic that arose from political and societal divisions and shortcomings from the UK. The UK has a very long way to go until it can be considered to become an EU member again. But even then all the things happening in the meantime, affects on peoples lifes, businesses crushing down or moving to an EU country, all that will not come back. And the relation between UK and the other EU members will also not be the same. So no, there is no reset.
We need a long-term commitment from politicians and responsible media to debunk and sideline lies and misinformation about the EU. Ideally, we need to prevent the spread of misinformation in mass media in the first place.
@ab-ym3bf Most of my political education came from following the news for years. That news almost never talked about the EU in any meaningful way and rarely talked about our European neighbours, even though it was happy to provide extensive coverage of American politics. This has to change. Political and legal structures need to be part of the education curriculum and media need to talk about them in a factual way, including the EU, on a regular basis.
@@andrewwatson5324 well, precisely the point. One doesn't get a basic education from following news, one is supposed to get that in school. I was taught politics, society etc in school, even history classes were more about the underlying politics than what battles in a war and who won. Media in the UK is laughable, but can only thrive as it does because the population is so under educated.
@andrewwatson5324 Absolutely and probably a new law to ban media barons owning more than one media outlet. A handful of men, including one who isn't European or a resident, own nearly all of it. They are anti-EU, very right-wing, and have a lot of influence. They drip fed negativity about the EU for decades.
Since my first post was removed, let's try it again: No, relationships can get refreshed, a new start. But brexit is a fait a compli, an event that has happenend, with consequences that cannot be reset, reversed or what ever.
Hello from 🇮🇪 Ireland. The British people were sold a pup by lthose who craved a return to the past. The empire is gone. Over. After the referendum I was a bit concerned that we might be sidelined a bit as EU eyes turned eastwards.. Instead our country has bloomed and thrived. Until the British people have a proper conversation with themselves to realise the disasterous decision they took there will be no appetite to have Britain back.
@PaulBarnwall Thanks dude. I live in Ireland. Not exactly heaven here with a severe housing crises but yeah the economy in thriving. Not great in Cavan here but Dublin is super duper trooper. The Brits have a conversation, it goes like this:. Rejoiner "I want to rejoin". Brexiteer "Shut up'" EU citizen (online): "NO!". That's it. Regarding domestic politics. It is very divided by FPTP, the media, the far-right and austerity, and deep inequalities have caused so much misery. It can't have a conversation, it's lost. I warn the Irish to watch your own nationalists. They tried to burn down a hotel near Rosscahill, County Galway. My good friend had his wedding reception there. It was horrific. These guys are like the RA, very divisive and ideological. Waiving the Irish flag. Now it's everywhere in Europe. It's not just a UK problem, nationalists are a major threat to the EU.
We need to separate the elite and the general population, the elite are in power (that is not going to change anytime soon) and have a desire for a political direction that goes very much against what the general population wants/needs, the problem is not the general population, the problem is the elite who do not want to make anything good for anyone but themselves.
@K2teknik. That's true, at least the elites that define the economic system in the UK and the world, they hold everybody to ransom with their greed and threats to impoverish us if we don't yield to their desire. The UK has been in austerity since 2008. Completely unnecessary. High levels of inequalities, work related stress, and illnesses. Slaves to the machine.
@@K2teknik. The problem is increasingly concentrated in the political elite. The opinion in the business elite is hardening very fast against Brexit, but, for a range of reasons, it has long been too deferential to the political elite (and anyway, business people have their businesses to run). This is a systemic crisis for the UK (on top of everything else).
'...offering young people in Britain the opportunity to come to the continent, restoring their rights as EU citizens...' Under the Youth mobility scheme, as proposed by the Commission, they would be limited to the country with whom they have the agreement, their visit would be time-limited, they would have to have the necessary resources to support their whole stay, they would need comprehensive health insurance, and their ability to travel to other EU states would be defined by existing Schengen rules for third countries. What EU citizens' rights would be restored?
It is the usual misrepresentation of reality by brits. These are supposed to be knowledgeable persons, yet they make mistake after mistake in how they represent issues EU related.
The scheme works both ways, with the same rights for European youth. That’s part of the UK’s opposition to it, the fear of too many youth coming to the UK even though it is time limited (3 or 4 years maximum).
Starmer is 62, average life expectancy for a male in UK is 80.7 years. 5 to 7 years of decline for an average voter to accept that the old “united we stand, divided we fall” is true. Then 20 years of the application process and the negotiations. Yup, Starmer is right, it is unlikely UK will join EU in his lifetime.
I think that it doesn't make any sense to talk about joining until the UK fully implements the FTA agreement with the EU. Starmer is trying to cherry pick again and the result was that the EU revokes the proposal for young people to come to the EU on special terms and not accept the UK business degrees in the EU. 😂 Some people never learned...
Well, my British friends, a return to the EU is not going to be a walk in the park...And it will never be as it was before...No more exceptions, no more cherry pickings.. As a matter of fact, I think UK won't get back in EU in the next decades..😮😮
@@EUidentity You have to understand that we on the mainland have taken rather poorly the rhetoric that was said in the halls of the EU parliament when Farage, Witicombe & the other UK representatives waving their little made in china plastic union jacks gloating, totally thinking they were sticking it up to the EU, I remember the vitriol and lies that were said about the EU (and its members) ,I myself as a belgian was particularly shocked when Farage called Van Rompuy (one of the most respected, humble and competent former belgian prime minister we have ever had) the then president of the EU council a "nobody with the charisma of a vegetable..." Gloating is a game that two can play, ofc it doesnt very much help here since the channel is full of remainers here, but still..
EU of course is interested in that the "best and the brightest" move to EU. Just as they are very interested that companies, big and small, will move to EU.
This time, the UK will have to show it is and will remain a teamplayer, able to fulfill the Copenhagen criterium of "adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union."
I had been anglophile....untill the BREXIT drama happened. Years of negotiations with bad prepared UK officials who did not understand the common market passed. No. Do not come back. It will start again after some years. Sorry, you are nod made for beeing a teamplayer. You are still a bit too much in "imperial moode".
I also used to be an anglophile about some things although never cricket. But I don't think it's about "imperial mode". The British psychology is more fear of foreigners and an inferiority complex these days. They will not admit to those things, but that is what is driving some of the toxic politics in the UK That might be why the UK is not always a great team player.
@@russmarkham2197 Spot on I think and as every Freudian knows a superiority complex is in fact the outside manifestation of an inferiority complex (lowest command of a second language among 37 countries--and that including the UK regional languages Welsh, Cornish, Gaelic and Scots)
We currently have a situation where nearly all the Remainers are still actively against Brexit- they haven't warmed to it at all- and the Leavers aren't happy either, cos they are now angry and frustrated that their blessed Brexit is isn't anywhere near as good as they hoped it would be: Immigration has gone up not down, the country is poorer by 100 billion a year and our trade deals has been woeful. This means that almost everyone in the UK is royally fed up. That's hardly a ringing endorsement of Brexit. But undoing this will be a long slog, there are no quick routes back into the EU. I'm afraid I think we will be out of the EU for as long as we were in it.
@@Buckets1000 Well, we need words to communicate and Remainer is still widely used. I could have said Re-joiner, or Brexit-hater, or whatever, but basically my point is that those who voted to stay in the EU haven't changed their minds about the fact that Brexit was and is a mistake.
You're fooling yourself. Leave voters and supporters have no intention of allowing the UK to be dragged into the EU. Forget it. And if you're pinning your hopes on those "polls" 🙄, don't waste your time. They are worthless and meaningless.
@@danielcarr7090We leave voters and supporters don't care what you "think". Getting dragged into the EU without a national plebiscite was a blunder, made by John Major who anti brexiters still trot out and parade at us.
I think John Stevens is onto it. Starmer is doing what the Conservatives did, to appease the Brexiters rather than face the reality. At least the Conservatives have a faction that wants Brexit for their own partisan advantage. But Labour's pro-Brexit suppporters seem to be there out of ignorance or fear or years of influence by the right-wing media. Starmer needs to be helping them understand that Brexit is doing serious harm to the UK as a whole, and that only the very wealthy stand to gain anything from it, mostly by suppressing living standards of Labout voters. Trying to appease Labour anit-EU sentiment is a hiding to nothing. Once reality dawns, Starmer the appeaser will be toast.
@@brendandonnelly1853 But he is a loong way down a rabbit-hole which has been evident for a long time and where he has been burning his escape routes. Difficult to do the u-turn necessary without losing public trust (of which he is already short)
A reset means a way back to an older status - when mentioned in connection to Brexit, it can only be a return to a pre-Brexit status. That will never happen! If a wide majority over a longer time fights for a return to EUrope and if the UK government tries very hard to meet the basic entry conditions and prepare the population for the changes after a new membership, we will perhaps see the UK represented in Brussels again - in 50 years or so. Daydreaming can be nice, but it is not helpful for a bigger power with nuclear weapons...
@@Lucid.dreamer It means starting from the minimum EU conditions like any other applicant. And 'Starmer has ruled out acceding to SM or CU or EU.' means absolutely nothing as it isn't in the hands of Mr. Starmer to do that anyhow!
@@uweinhamburg we are *not* applying for anything. It's simply international relations. And the UK has *its* terms. As I said. Starmer has ruled out SM, CU, EU membership. He is pursuing a security pact. Like he is with India. You have the complety wrong idea.
@@uweinhamburg let me make this very clear to you. The UK is *never* going to seek EU membership. Not in ten years. Not in fifty years. Not *ever.* The UK *does not need or desire EU membership.* Only anti brexiters / "rejoiners" carp on about that and they do not matter.
@@Lucid.dreamer You have watched the initial video? The title was 'can Brexit be reset' which would include a hypothetical entry of EUrope, which would need an application process. At the moment it perfect that the UK does not apply, It saves a lot of unnecessary work and embarrassment. We are all aware that the UK is certainly in no condition to apply for membership. In that sense, it is positive that Mr. Starmer is realistic enough not to look for something he cannot have anyway. It's the same as me ruling out that i will win the New York marathon next year... The old 'out means out' idea.. The security pact for the West is called NATO
The government's of the European Union will decide if and when it will accept an application from the UK to begin negotiations to become a member of the European Union. Any government can veto that application.
@@ab-ym3bf It accepts or rejects the application. If the application is accepted it begins a defind process. Correct. But no 2 countries are the same, each country has its own unique requirements. Ireland today, is unrecognisable compared to 50 odd years ahold when we joined in 1973. Today, Ireland is an outward developed country with technology to the fore. 50 years ago, Ireland was an insular,inward, backward, agrarian country, where the Catholic Church had an unhealthy influence on the government. Today's Ireland, I opineto, would not have morphed into what it is today without the help of the European Union. The UK started a process to leave the European Union. That process involved negotiations if my memory has not failed me.
Good to see you two back - helpful discussion +++. My sense is that what we have in the UK is a sort of moral cowardice over Europe. Very few of us can recall anything so toxic and paralysing, and so harmful to the democratic process in the UK as the referendum and its aftermath. I think Starmer has decided that we simply don’t have the collective energy to confront the complex forces of darkness that led to our exit all over again. Which would require a serious effort of leadership. I may yet leave the Labour Party over Erasmus +, having benefited immensely from a year in France as a young adult (actually pre-Erasmus) I find the willingness to block others from the same life changing and life enhancing benefits quite cynical and worse than annoying. To move from People’s Vote to anti-Erasmus is quite bizarre. Makes no real sense at all. It’s all a bit discouraging except for the fact that we are losing economic momentum and events in Europe and elsewhere will make a passive attitude unfeasible in the medium term. I long to see a senior MP become the Rejoin equivalent of Farage with a permanent eloquent slot on mainstream media - banging on about it. Otherwise who can blame ordinary voters from viewing it as a dead duck issue.
Despite the lack of political leadership opinion polls show increasing opposition to Brexit in the UK. That would not be so if the electorate really saw Brexit as a dead duck issue.
@@brendandonnelly1853 Ummm... I think you're pinning your hopes on those "polls". You do know they are worthless. The real "poll" is the ballot box. I think we can tell that there is *no appetite at all* for EU membership I in the UK. That's why major party will go near it.
Here in the Netherlands we are looking at expanding visas from countries that aren't in the EU. We can't get workers from Poland either. Our German business used to have a pipeline of Russian young workers but that's for obvious reasons come to an end. Nobody is thinking about the Brits rejoining over here, we just need workers, like you do.
It's very simple. The UK is nowhere near meeting the Copenhagen criteria. And it's not going to be for many decades. So forget it. Starmer is correct. But actually the UK is never going to seek EU membership. You people are just deluded.
The answer is no. There is no such thing as a 'reset' when it comes to joining the EU. The UK would need to have another referendum on the matter and then the UK government would have to apply for membership of the EU just like any other would-be member of the union. There's no 'reset' button for old times sake, or whatever it is you imagine. Please get real.
The ‘again join’ problem is much deeper than 99% of those who write or talk about it ‘think’ or even ‘suspect’. They all think that if they understand anything at all about how the EU works - which 90% of Brits don't - all they have to do is apply, fulfil a few criteria for membership and then they would be back in. The procedure starts much earlier. And it is not written down anywhere. It follows from the logic of the facts (greetings to Mr Spock). 1. The principle of unanimity applies in the EU. So any country can veto - even without reason - and block the entire vote. Poland until the parliamentary elections in 2023 and Hungary until today practise this blackmail option. The EU will put a stop to this. And until the principle is changed to the majority principle, it will not accept any country. Neither the UK nor any other. 2. And after all the unspeakable, excessively arrogant behaviour of the UK, it is the last country in Europe from which the EU will allow itself to be treated so condescendingly again. 3. The UK has no written constitution. After everything that has happened to the UK since 2016 and continues to this day, the EU will not accept a country with a loose-leaf constitution. 4. Anyone who thinks that the EU will once again allow the UK to inflict damage totalling many billions of euros on the EU with a referendum in which there is no quorum and a simple majority is sufficient has not heard the shot. 5. With the current electoral law in the UK, a party that receives 30% of the votes can decide everything. Even declare its withdrawal from the EU. I doubt that the EU would accept such a country. These are just a few aspects. 10, 15 more. 6. And only after all of this a possible application phase begin and after that the examination of the Kopemhagen criteria would would start the next phase. 7. So we are talking about a very long road and a very long period of time until a second membership could come about. 8. This means for the UK: There is no short-term escape from relegation.
Yes this is true for EU membership. There are other options for single market access and FoM of Labour. Peripheral associated membership for example. It would limit British political influence of the EU and allow the UK to wear a naughty cap but have a closer relationship. Anything is possible but it requires a will to do such things. How that could happen is impossible to say. But it's possible.
@@EUidentity There aren't any _existing_ options for SM access and FoM of Labour and it's questionable whether the entirety of EEA (EFTA and EU members) were willing to create one just for the benefit of the UK and to their own detriment. Case in point: what court would have jurisdiction over trade disputes between the SM and the UK?
Sir Keir Starmer is deeply disappointing in his short Premiership. You're right that " reset " is hyperbolic for the thin substance he's offered so far. No serious long term strategy for economic growth in the UK can shoulder its way past impediments to youth exchange for education, research, marketing, the ordinary human contacts on which business relationships are seeded and grow. Trade needs to be satisfying and enabling, as well as profitable. Writing from abroad, the FPTP system is actually distorting the political centre of gravity now. Even a landslide is fragile, whereas under PR, the likes of Reform and the Tories would have to temper their extremities, by the knowledge they might actually have to serve in a stable Coalition.
Face it, there is no blame, the people voted, the government did as the voters decided however stupid. Brexit happened and it can't be changed in this century. Empires die, the poor suffer, the rich carry on as usual. The secret....EDUCATION, something sadly missing in soccer and tv saturated UK.
rubbish. even on a high speed lane the process of rejoining eu would take minimum 12 years. as the bank of england reported for many many years the people in the uk will get poorer.
With all the amount of work the UK has to do it will even take a long time on an imaginary high speed lane. But since such a lane doesn't exist for joining the EU it is pointless to think about that. There is only one lane and it is decribed in article 49 of the EU treaty. So the only thing left to accelerate things is to start sooner.
Because of the enhanced prospect of a border poll and how this might be perceived by Unionists in Northern Ireland, in the light of the very diminished credibility of their political leadership, which may be handing greater influence to more extremist elements.
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge But I don't understand what that has to do with EU/UK tensions. Sinn Féin don't own the reunification question. On Thursday in Derry Leo Varadkar called on all parties contesting the next election in Ireland to have reunification as an objective rather than an aspiration, and said recently that he expects a poll within ten years. The likes of Varadkar using that language deflates English and other unionist efforts to somehow to demonise reunification. Irish reunification - Sinn Féin - IRA. No, it doesn't work anymore , as hard as you try. Reunification will not be derailed by unionist terrorist violence or threats of violence.
Because brits would love to have the NI situation as some sort of leverage to get concessions from the EU, hence their open support for the brexit voting part of NI, breaking its contractual obligation of neutrality.
Are you talking to me or Brexiteers? 1. 16 million didn't vote for it at the time 2. I didn't get the right to vote as I lived in the EU. 3. Many have come of age to vote since the referendum. 4. Millions of Brexiteers have since died of old age. You are generalising and are behaving like a nationalist that exercises racial discrimination. You don't care because you hate all of us and have no compassion or empathy for those caught up in it.
France and Germany want the UK to open legal ways for asylum seekers, so that the criminality attendant to small boat crossing stops. Because asylum seekers should have a way to get to Britain legally.
Starmer is surprising me with his pronounced naivety and weakness with regards to Britain's growth and trade prospects. It's almost like both Labour and the Tories have accepted a smaller British economic model for the long term behind the scenes whilst shouting about the need for growth from the rooftops. This smoke and mirrors tactics doesn't bode well for trust in politicians.
I am genuinely curious how long this "debate" can go on. Brexit paralysed London for the better part of a decade now but as it seems you cannot leave that topic alone. It´s a trainwreak and no matter how long you keep talking about it it won´t get any better. If you create those basically lawless "special economic zones"´d become even more difficult to trade with the continent because nobody here wants *that* kind of "competition"...
The fact the debate is ongoing demonstrates that Brexit can and imv will be reversed. The only questions are how long will it take and how much damage is done to the UK in the meantime.
@@johnstevens1022no, since the "debate" in the UK is still mostly focused on the 2026 referendum, what % voted what, was it legal on the one hand, and about non existing ways for the UK to either return to the EU immediately or to use the non existing options of being member of the SM and/or CU without EU membership. So 2 debates that will bring the UK not a single step further. You yourself show the classic symptoms of the fallacy of the debate by speaking of "reversing brexit". Ot only is that a non existing issue, it also is not a unilateral action or decision from the UK.
@@ab-ym3bf Nonsense. It is about the immense and ongoing costs of Brexit, but it is one confined to business circles and the general public, and comprehensively evaded, for various reasons, by the political parties and thus the media.
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge your standard reply to any post it seems: "nonsense". Yet every comment section, every debate follows the topics I have me tion es. So not nonsense.
Not only them - their children, too, will be pushing daisies before little brexitannia will be given a second chance by us 🇪🇺. Their grandchildren might live to see a second membership, but they - the grandchildren - shouldn't hold their breath. Greetings from Bavaria 🇪🇺
The only people still talking about Brexit are the Brits. Rest of the EU has moved on years ago. The EU is far from perfect with immigration being a huge issue. We are seeing quite a number of EU countries taking their own measures. With EU fingerprint and facial recognition coming in soon for the Schengen Area, and an EU Visa also soon required for 3rd-country visitors, at least movements will be monitored better. Also the EU needs its citizens to feel more EU and less country-centric, and Brexit ironically has re-inforced how important this is. It is inevitable that the situation in the UK will only get worse and yes the EU holds all the cards. It has from day one. UK's intention was not only to leave the EU but also to break it up, trying to court EU countries individually during negotiations. The brits need to eat humble pie and yes, become more desperate, maybe one day, out of the EU's generosity, they are let back in.
It was the tories that thought other countries would follow suit in leaving. "The brits need to eat humble pie" - 48% voted to remain. I feel as if you're conflating the humble pie issue across the entire population. It wasn't an overwhelming majority that wanted to cease membership. Yes, the media and tory government were corrupt before and after the referendum. British exceptionalism exists within them, not across the entire nation. There are political parties (liberal Democrats, greens, Labour) which are fond of the EU.
The UK government has just cancelled "Not for sale in EU" labels on food and other products going to NI that do not meet EU standards and that was in the Windsor Framework. Is it worthwhile for the EU to spend its time and resources negotiating anything else with the UK. or should it just insist on compliance with the current TCA, which is up for review, i.e. audit, not renegotiation, in May 2026 regarding its implementation status and the parties fulfillment of their obligations under it? Will the UK have done so by then? The EU has not forgotten that it was publicly stated in the Commons that the UK felt able to break its treaty obligations " even if only in a specific and limited way". Has that changed with the new government? If so is it merely on hold until a future UK government decides to revive it? Starmer swanning around trying to do the "old pals" act won't cut much ice in EU circles after the labelling cancellation.
@@frankoneill5675 So if its exported from Britain to the EU how do EU import controls know it doesn't meet EU standards? Will it be because it doesn't carry the CE mark and would therefore be refused admittance?
@@maxharbig1167 The 'not for EU' label in relation to the Six Counties must be on goods going through the green channel, where checks are minimum, to indicate it will stay in the Six Counties and not move on into Ireland/EU. Food that might end up in the EU/Ireland at the border or is going via the Six Counties to Ireland, does not have the label, and goes through the red channel, and is subject to the same SPS checks etc as at any other EU/UK physical border. Under the Protocol, the goods staying in the Six Counties have the label. The only reason it was 'rolled out' to all UK food, something that was an internal matter for the UK and didn't concern the EU, was to appease the DUP, so they wouldn't feel they were being treated differently from British consumers. The roll-out was ridiculous tokenism, but probably helped the DUP save face If goods are going , say, from Dover to Calais, they are subject to standard SPS checks.
No it’s too late and you got what you said you wanted. There is no reason for the EU to want to renegotiate your exit, it is in the past. They have higher priorities with other countries wanting to negotiate joining.
Illegal immigration can't be a problem. If police catch an illegal immigrant, they can be sent home immediately. It seems that the Brits still are battling with the terms, Illegal immigrants, immigrants, and asylum seekers.
There is indeed enormous confusion between issues of asylum, issues of economic migration, issues of European demand for labour both skilled and unskilled, and issues of low European fertility/family formation rates. But I am not sure this confusion is more marked in the UK than in the EU (or the US) if one can cut away the general British Brexit-related conceptual and strategic incoherence (which constitutes a collective national brain fog imv).
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge I think we can see the difference here in Denmark. An illegal is someone who has entered "under the radar". If you are illegal, you must have good arguments, for not being punished and deported permanently. An immigrant is someone who is allowed to be here, otherwise he/she would be illegal. An asylum seeker is someone who has reported to the police and registered, as an asylum seeker. That is why they are legally in the country. I don't see why it is so difficult to understand, I don't think my compatriots have problems distinguishing between legal and illegal. If they are in a country illegally, send them home with a "persona non grata" stamp in their passport.
There is only one way and that in long term shall be a federal Europe without loosing culture(s) and identity. The problems of our world needs joining up inn decision making.
As members, The UK helped to balance the argument over a federal Europe. Without them, The EU is now more likely to go federal and The UK can no longer prevent that.
Starmer, the key figure on mission to slow bake brexit into the fabric of UK culture and society. A couple of little cherries from the EU to put on top maybe but that's it. He's never made a single move to appease pro-EU sentiment which, he must believe, is docile and malleable enough to have its pitifully weak hope slowly snuffed out altogether.
Correct. So we must prove to him we are not docile, malleable and pitifully weak. We have very powerful potential allies, not least in the financial markets.
I actually agree with some of your views. However, in the interests of transparency, I would like to know more about the "Federal Trust". I see that you have a Director and a Chair. Do you have anyone else, anything else? Do you do anything apart from make occasional UA-cam videos? Just curious.
Can the before brexit UK to EU situation be reset I hope so but at the logical normal conditions, no the one pro UK of before the brexit. Be member of the EU at equal footing than any other nation of the EU.
twice we voted and yet labour keep trying to undo, they do want they want going back to the beginning of time,i wonder how many people who voted for them will vote now???
No, Labour don't have the balls to do anything meaningful...The debate is polarising if it is only extreme options. Completely out as now or back in. Norway is neither and should be considered as a blueprint....and also something everyone can understand and agree .
The way things are looking for Starmer, he may not be PM in a few months. However, that is not the problem which is to steer the top LP ranks into realignment with the pro EU views of the membership. I don't see anyone in the top ranks willing to address the party's progressive vote base in preference to the swing vote socially conservative red wall constituents. As for Starmer, he is a big disappointment with his cautious lack of political aptitude.
@Oil2024 in my local supermarket here in the UK, I've seen food labelled 'not for sale in the EU'. Why shouldn't EU citizens buy this food if they want to?
@yorkshiremgtow1773 The EU citizens *can* order this muck directly from little brexitannia if they please to - at their own risk, since it comes with the required warning. They can also order Chinese muck directly from China. In the EU, however, this British muck no longer meets required EU minimum standards, that's why the EU doesn't sell it in EU supermarkets. Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺 PS given the stupidity of your questions, *gammon* ..... maybe the EU should add a photo of your face next to the 'not for EU' warning, just to visualize what the poor consequences of consumption of the Breeeteeesh muck looks like 😎
Starmer's retisence in properly addressing Brexit is understandable. However, he as no choice but to be bold about it as Brexit is the root cause of the UK's manifold problems, and without its reversal Labour cannot even begin to meet it's promises of economic growth, a fairer society, a functioning NHS, etc. All of this requires investment, which is not going to happen, in any real sense, until it is clear that the UK is headed back into the EU or at least the single market. The point is that the market has already reached the sane conclusion that the UK cannot make it alone, which is a view shared by Starmer. It's important that he level with the country on this. And the sooner the better. Starmer seems to be counting on two terms to set things right. I am afraid that is overly optimistic. Voters will soon forget the disaster that were the Tories, as they have in the US, with Trump. If he wants to a second term, Starmer needs to show quite quickly his policies are working and that cannot happen until Brexit is reversed.
The oligarchs running the Tory Party today won't entertain any thoughts of returning to the EUROPEAN UNION and consequently that EUROPEAN UNION won't waste their time on entertaining a Labour proposition without the bipartisanship required as a prerequisite. Get over it .......and work on the monied interests running that opposition party.
"A Labour proposition" for joining the EU? You seem blissfully unaware of reality, in which the UK cannot do more than file a request for application via rt 49TEU. It doesn't get to propose anything.
Together with the EU the UK also left the Belfast Agreement. People crossing the Channel heading north to become illegal immigrants started in France as legal travelers, and each now is one less to cost and trouble. So a migration agreement can wait until brits cross the Channel heading south. Same here with everything else; security, defense, research, ..... . That's all no issue at the moment. The only thing labour needs to do now is to comply with the Windsor Framework. Allez hop!
I was 17:04 encouraged when Starmer said we would not rejoin the EU in his lifetime. It seemed to me the perfect candidate to end up in 😅a compilation of “things I wish I had never said.”😮
It would be the best outcome both for the EU and the UK for the UK to (re)join the EU on the same basis as everyone else, without optouts or special arrangements of any kind.
Only if the EU will be generous & are they likely to feel generous after the UK have been insulting since 2016 & a pain in the ass forever? This is why Keir is trying to become friends with the EU. This will take time. A lot of time, I fear.
Yes, We the UK, Must now Re-Join The EU, And By way of Saying Sorry for want The Tory's have Done "Brexit", We should take the Euro and all the rights and freedom we had before, 14 years of Hell. Scotland will
Not again the nonsense that fulfilling a requirement for membership is graciously accepted by the UK as a means of saying sorry. Most in the EU do not care about a British sorry, knowing the value of it. Empty words. You take the € if the EU says it is a requirement for membership, or you keep out.
@@daviddack1595 Scotland will need to start by finding a way to get independent first. And it seems there is no overwhelming majority of Scottish people in favor of such a move.
I've voted Conservative for many, many years, however out of frustration i voted Green, i actually feel they are by far the most honest party. However, if Labour would have stated that they would begin talks to rejoin, theyd have had my vote and support.
I think Labour position is political but not economical. The fault lines are still too deep for UK to start thinking about rejoining. EU is not ready for talks about rejoining and have enormous issues themselves. Germany being economically weak and politically divided is not helping stability in EU and T is a threat to the whole world. The best result is a much closer alignment with EU, more in direction of the EEA
"EU is not ready for talks". No, the EU is not interested in talks, since the UK hasn't even implemented the current agreements. Any talk about joining is moot, given the UK doesn't meet the criteria. Germany's economical dip is a concern for Germany in the first place, not much the EU can do about it. Germany is not economically weak, it is in a dip but has a far, far better base compared to say the UK. So save us your false biased British analysis, and educate yourself about the EEA. There is no EEA option for the UK. .
I think you may be too focused on Brexit to see what's going on. Farage has a deep-seated far-right ideology that is neo-liberal in economics and nationalistic/xenophobic in politics. Starmer is part of a movement on the Right of the Labour party which had, as its initial aim, to reclaim the party from its members and is relatively hazy about what to do now that it has won power - not least because all the Labour Party's popular (re-distributionist) policies came out of its left-wing, Corbynite milieu. The Right of the Labour Party think they are "the adults in the room" and the "sensible" people, but you can't govern a democracy with policies that aren't even halfway popular and you can't revive a capitalist economy that is becoming more plutocratic with every passing day by imposing austerity on working people. The antidote to Farage is to be found in economic policy that advantages working people: e.g. by making work more lucrative than living off investments, by promoting trade unionism and higher wages, by redistributing wealth (when the working class don't have problems, they don't go looking for scapegoats). It also involves political stability, which can be achieved in the UK by introducing proportional representation, a move which would convince the EU that the UK could be a serious partner. The Labour Right want power but don't have a vision. That is to be found on the Left of the party. If you want to reverse Brexit, it is the (still largely left-leaning) membership of the Labour party that will be able to achieve the UK part of that. They are currently dealing emotionally with having been duped by Starmer (who brought back all the people they rejected in 2015, such as Yvette Cooper, who gained only 17% in the leadership contest with Corbyn and Liz Kendall, who won just 4.5%), but their commitment to EU membership is still there.
It is discrimination. You can't allow one set of people to have a form of a relaxation on the freedom of movement restriction while leaving the rest of the people in chains. It is absurd to think that young people will be any more likely to build a future in Europe than all the older people who already had planned to leave during the transition period they were promised during 2020 that could not be honoured because of the pandemic. Thousands of british people of all ages and mostly not young had planned to build a future in Europe that year, many wanting to join family but could not because covid was a danger. Thousands of British people living in the EU were denied a vote in the referendum and thousands of EU citizens committed to the UK were denied a vote in the referendum. You can't deny both groups a vote because you are saying to one group "you can't vote because even if you are committed to the UK you are not British" and the other group "OK you are British but you are not committed to the UK" it is effectively creating 2 opposing reasons not to be allowed a vote. Either one of those groups would have tipped the close result of the referendum to remain and therefore "The will of the people" was to remain despite the result. Since then thousands who voted leave have changed their mind. You can't then kick all of the above in the teeth by saying "Young people can have the thing you've been unfairly denied by a referendum a judge said was unfair win by a campaign which was a tissue of lies but you have to remain a prisoner or apply for a visa that might not be granted" it's manifestly unfair. The other thing is that the over 65 demographic get put in a category as if they are responsible for voting leave when is is a massive demographic which contains people of 80 and above who at the time of the vote voted remain in numbers far greater than those who were 65 to 75. Freedom of movement is a human right not a political issue.
@@ab-ym3bf Sorry you find logic and reason tiresome. And my response is self contained and not pertaining to whatever it is you think "that is about" suggest you read what I wrote again carefully and think about it for more than a month and get yourself educated and stop being so arrogant and insulting.
@@Rich-ng3yy there is no "logic and reason" in your statement. As mentioned, youth mobility isn't about FOM. If you cannot even have the basics right, the rest is moot anyway.
The EU will happily accept our brightest young people, why shouldn't they? It's always easier to steal talent than raising your own, especially when you were in a steady decline in human intelligence like the EU has shown.
Oh, absolutely. The EU must be thrilled to "steal" all that world-class British talent. Because, clearly, leaving a massive trading bloc, tanking your own economy, and struggling with labor shortages post-Brexit is a hallmark of superior intelligence.
Reset back to the EEC only. The EU has a youth unemployment problem, hence their approach to cooperation. Why join a bloc where many of its major countries are voting to leave.
If the stance of the different governments of England is collaboration with the fascist regime in Rael, England should not be allowed to come back into the European fold. You cannot rightly fight fascist Russia and let Nethan Yahoo’s regime of the hook.
Giving the crown jewels would be a bargain. I doubt they are worth the 300 billion cost we have already wracked up by Brexit. So it is much more than "worth discussing", it is existential.
It'll be attractive to a minority of British kids from a certain background. Most already prefer OZ and NZ. If the deal goes ahead, it'll mostly be kids from the continent wanting to experience the UK and improve their english.
sorry but the EU youth mobility and Erramus Horizon Europe and traveling Musicians the EU offers them to all the countries that the EU have A trade agreement with the EU this offers was on table also to the UK during Brexit negotiations but Johnson and Frost and Brexit CO refused because some nonsense of UK sovereign and about nonsense about FOM and told the EU we will only accept if the EU grant us to including the Euro clearances and the EU financial services to remain in the as before and London remain the manager of all EU finances that be included in writing in the TCA and be legally binding but the EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier and his team told the UK that will not happen and please spare us the believe that only the EU youth want to come to the UK to enhance their English nonsense because since Brexit EU youth and school children travel to Malta and Ireland for their English enhancement which they do not need A passport or visa but only their EU ID card to go Malta and ireland which they do and enjoy themselves learning about the culture of 2 EU nations that welcomes them as A citizens of the EU , and this youth mobility arose when the labour government tried to make A deal with Spain France and Germany and those nation told Stamer he have to talk to the eU commission as this an EU wide arrangement and for individual EU countries and then the EU told they can negotiate this with the UK government Stamer wanted to find division in the EU so he could sploit them and the same he tried to do in Berlin and paris about the TCA and was told him by the French president and andthe German Chancellor that the UK needs to fully implement the WA and TCA including NIP(AKA WF) nothing can be discussed before full implementation of previous agreement Stamer and his government knows this and are not honest with UK citizens how the thing stand with the EU and there will be reset fulfil the UK fulfil their side their side of the agreement of the implementations of the WA TCA and NIP fully, greetings from EU citizen.
You are plainly unfamiliar with the polling on this, which shows that over 75% of 16-26 year old Britons support a return of Freedom of Movement, and 70% name the loss of FOM as their main reason for wanting to reverse Brexit. On surveys on where they would wish to visit during a gap year, or to work or study, Europe scores just ahead of North America, whilst Australasia scores equally with South America and just behind East Asia and South Asia,
Its no longer what you in the UK "WANT" . All decisions are up to The 27 sovereign nations of the European Union. You had it all and allowed the guys with the "posh accents" to control the poorly educated British "subjects"
I am a Brexiteer, but I have no problem with an agreement for a gap-year arrangement for young adults, so long as it is properly managed and monitored and it is just a year, after which those participating will go home. I lived and worked in another EU member state between 2008 and 2021 and I have no issues with mutual cooperation. I just want us to continue a relationship with member states as friendly neighbours with whom we trade etc - just so long as we never allow our country to fall back under the control of the hideous Brussels monster.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany They aren't lies. I lived and worked in an EU member state between 2009 and 2021. In any case, as we are out of the EU, it's none of your concern.
Lol. Democracy is not one vote and that decision is forever and ever. The Brexiteers made a very foolish and naive mistake. So we have every right to save the UK. Just say sorry and we might forgive you.
I can not believe that you suggest the eu's desire for youth mobility is to provide an education opportunity for "young Brits" to experience the wonderful politics of the eu. Firstly it is agreed and understood by all that the youngest people in Britain were the greatest by age demographic that voted to remain in the eu. They do not need to be courted and interestingly they are not remotely vocal in wanting freedom of movement, they would far sooner have flats/houses available to buy or rent at the right price. The reason for the eu's desire for a youth mobility program is not about education either, they can still get that now. The single most desperate reason is the need to find work for the high percentage of unemployed young people in the Med countries. An average 22% of 18-30's are unemployed at different times within these countries and the UK can easily absorb a few million in the hospitality/agri/logistics sectors. There is also a very, very important spin off inasmuch the young people can improve their English to a fluent standard, which improves significantly their employment opportunities when they return back to the eu. To work in any business sector nowadays fluent English has become a standard competency in most large business organisations. Even the eu are not so stupid as to position this freedom of movement as a kind offer to educate young Brits. Cop yerselves on ffs.
Well that was a biased argument. Show me polls that show people only want flats and not FoM. That's not my experience. I see both those who want flats and FoM. So what if the EU citizens want to learn English. It's a good a reason as any to come. Brexiteers, always hating immigration and the EU. Too many EU citizens on here also hating Brits. They are just like Brexitees. Same tired old hate.
Not only do you not understand that a youth mobility scheme has nothing to do with free movement, your overinflated self importance also distorts reality as usual. The UK wanted to have youth mobility programs with just some of the memberstates of the EU, aka cherry picking. It also is screaming about wanting to have closer cooperation with the EU. The EU and its members responded by discussing an EU wide youth mobility program, to counter the cherry picking and to test the sincerity of Starmer's government in its mentioned desire. The EU also said nothing would happen until the UK finally complies by the current agreements. All your arguments are therefore nonsense, based on the usual english fantasies that the EU needs the UK more.
@@EUidentityI went to Ireland to practice my English in the 80's and it was a good time. I prefer the Irish people because they are not thinking that they are special... We had a lot of fun in the Irish pubs 🍻....😂
@klausschumacher7126 Actually, I live in Ireland and have been on and off since the 80s. I've lived in five European countries in between . All of them think they're special. That the idea of nation states. You'll be surprised how many English are not into imperialism or think they are special. We even have far-right nuts in Ireland now. They burned down a hotel my friend got married in because it was going to house refugees. Irish people, although they slag off Brits a lot, they are actually probably the most anglophile beneath it all. They saw all the division and strife in Northern Ireland and became sick of nationalism. They just want friendship, peace, and unity. Something some people who 'claim' to be EU citizens on here clearly haven't learned about. I think some are just trolls or preachers of the EU treaty bible, they just love negativity. By the way, I live literally about 100 meters from the border with the UK. It looks like the Common Travel area will outlast Schengen now. The EU is falling apart because of nationalism and hatred for foreigners. Just like the UK Brexiteers.
@@EUidentity I am not being biased, and my thoughts are informed from the many nice young eu citizens working in hospitality I met in London pre Brexit.
The UK has been discussing the EU endlessly for years now. It‘s entirely obsessed with the EU, but nobody in the EU cares.
Well some of us do care (we're here) but indeed generally speaking Brexit is still only a topic in the UK, the EU moved on years ago and has other fish to fry now.
@@maartenaalsmeer I'm glad you care. Nice to see some genuine anglophiles. 😊
@@maartenaalsmeer
Engeland is niet meer belangrijk voor de EU, mijn vriend.
@@geraldwagner8739 From the same country that coined the memorale phrase "Welcome to the Brexit, Sir" 😀
@@geraldwagner8739 Het is hilarious hoe in hun kranten en andere media ze niet kunnen stoppen met zeiken over de EU waar ze al hun invloed op hun typische hooghartige wijze hebben opgegeven, terwijl hier in de EU je nauwelijks nog krantenberichten of dergelijke kan vinden over Brexit. Zij wilden Brexit, zijn kunnen er niet overheen. Zo blij dat ze vertrokken zijn. Wat een zielig land vol hautaine leugenaars.
My brother went to Canada for 2 years, and never came back. I went to work in the Netherlands for a year, and 43 years later I'm still here. You do risk losing young and highly skilled poeple
No worries, many young and highly skilled people will like to go to the UK, my son did and had not returned, it goes both ways, the UK, well London to be specific is still a strong magnet for young people.
43 years later? Gosh, Brexit really was a while ago.
@@K2teknik.there is no doubt that UK is still an attractive destination for young people from non skiing countries.
The immigration statistics clearly show this.
And this is the problem. I myself, many decades ago, studied in Britain and met the love of my life and we got married. But Britain does not want to risk any of this fraternisation and 'immigration' due to it, going forward. Hence no Youth Mobility Scheme. And Britain does not want British youngsters to know and experience that so many things are better in EU countries either.
@@K2teknik. Well I know of a number but Brexit has "F.d" that.
Your final point about the parallel between Keir Starmer and Theresa May is so on-target and self-evident.
The picture of Starmer going round various EU heads of government, essentially trying to bypass Brussels, is so depressingly ridiculous that one despairs.
He's so delusional
Warning. As any Swiss negotiator will tell you, member states are very good at giving you a nice smile and telling you sweet nothings whist allowing the Commission play hardball. That’s what they are there for.
What is that with British people still talking about Brexit after 8 years, in the EU we don't heare enything about Brexit. The UK left and joining again will be a long way, and how long will the UK be a member? Or do we get the same hassle with the UK after a few years leaving again?
The Brexit losses are horrendous and rising rapidly. That's why the British are talking about Brexit. They will be broke in 4 to 5 years. And more and more Brits are realising this.
Its pretty normal for a nation suffering the consequences of a bad decision to still talk about it.
What I find not normal is that the conversation in the Uk is stuck, it hasn´t evolved at all since the referendum. They are still banging on about which % voted what, the legality of the ref, the lies etc. They still are trying to find unicorn ways of cherry picking from a non existing EU menu the parts they would like, despite being told over and over again there is no such menu.
Any normal country would be speaking about how to organize society and life outside the EU in the short to medium term, making clear that membership is not a short term option and will be discussed in the future when the country could have a chance of joining and the popular vision of the uk public would support such a move.
Alas, that requires a level of maturity the undereducated and thus rather immature society of the uk doesnt have.
well the sincere answer to that is that Britain created a huge problem for itself with brexit. So it's right for the brits to be wrestling with their own stupidity for a long time. However, it is also a concern for the EU, albeit a much less important one than it is for the UK.
No, it's nutty Remain zealots who keep ranting and banging on and on about Europe.
Everyone else is happy and overjoyed we left the rotten and corrupt EUSSR dictatorship.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany EU and German exports to UK have collapsed. Goods too expensive due to European greed.
Germany now THE SICK MAN OF EUROPE. Cheer up Fritz!
The EU hold all the cards and until the UK undertakes very serious root level reform there will be no reset. Britain has a lot of work to do before it will be attractive to Brussels. Hubris, arrogance and the fantasy of British exceptionalism got us into this mess, it won't get us out of it.. that will require humility, introspection and honesty. I don't expect to see the UK back in the EU within the next 20 years, it will likely take that long for British people to understand their place in the world.
The strange thing is that in the 1970s and 1980s British public opinion seemed to be moving in a more realistic direction about Europe. The legacy of Thatcherism and the poisonous Eurosceptic press of the early 1990s then stood everything on its head. We are still bearing the consequences of this U-turn.
@@brendandonnelly1853 True. 😥
Agreed. Hope you turn your ship around. ie
@@Top5Aircraft 👍
Precisely to the point.
Why do so many have such a difficulty understanding once out, the Uk is out? As it is and probably for a generation or more, the Uk does not meet EU standards.
The withdrawal agreement was a disaster. It has made the U.K. poorer. They could have ‘negotiated’ a softer Brexit but Johnson wanted to ‘get it done’ for his own political status. Complete disaster. Why can’t people understand that leaving the EU in such a chaotic way made this country poorer in so many ways?
@@williamtaylor337 "The withdrawal agreement was a disaster."
That's resolved now.
@@williamtaylor337 Because Starmer voted for it. He was happy, Johnson was happy. What's changed?
Brexit made the UK poorer, as we always knew it would. NOT the WA, NOT the TCA! It was Brexit itself and not having a shred of a plan what to do with it afterwards.
The agreements were negotiated on both sides without obligations, the EU did not force anything on the UK. The UK willingly negotiated, signed and ratified exactly these treaties. Including Starmer who also got Labour to vote for it, as I recall. Now that the negotiations are over and because every British side was in agreement, it is a bit rich complaining now! Especially members of Starmer's government who also voted for the TCA.
At the same time as complaining, Britons do not realise that the EU is now equally bound by the TCA and they also must stick to it. And they are happy with it and do not wish to renegotiate. Britain cannot negotiate with itself! So live with it.
Try studying the Draghi Report ..?
The EU is slowly becoming an economic and political irrelevance....😅😅😅
Why would Britain wish to.sign up to that..??
Leaving the EU was easy: ticking the wrong box, when "joining" will be a bit more.. complicated :
- 3rd-country UK must submit a membership application to the European Council (27 Heads of State or Government)
- which asks the European Commission to assess the applicant’s ability to meet the Copenhagen criteria. If it's OK:
- The European Council then decides on a negotiation mandate. If no EU member vetoes:
- Negotiations are then formally opened on a subject-by-subject basis (33 chapters)
- Once the applicant meets all the conditions for membership,
- it must implement EU rules and regulations in all areas…
- 27 EU parliaments must approve the application…
Maybe in 2066, 50th anniversary of Brexit.. and 1000 years after the Battle of Hastings..😄
It is a thrid country in more ways then one !
in politics rules are made to be broken. if we wanted back in and it suited germany and france for us to be back in, I promise you it would be done. the French and Germans are not going to allow a 'little' member to dictate things within the EU.
@@highlight9014luckily we know the value of a British "promise".
And we know the British level of not understanding how the EU functions, as you display once again with the eternal "Germany and France decide" nonsense.
All because you realise that when your fantasy is not true, the UK will have to follow the same route as any other lowly new applicant, and the UK is unable to overcome even the first hurdle of the Copenhagen criteria for many years to come.
@highlight9014 "the French and Germans are not going to allow a 'little' member to dictate things within the EU." Always the same 🐮💩 since the Brexit vote.. There are no "little" members within the EU: in 2016, a tiny Belgian region (3.6 mn people) said NO and they won : « Belgium Walloons block key EU Ceta trade deal with Canada, demanding stronger safeguards on labour, environmental and consumer standards. » BBC 24 October 2016
@@highlight9014 Rubbish. But then again that's a very Brit way of looking at things if the rules are only broken "in a specific and limited way". On trade there are not only 27 national parliaments with a veto but 10 or so regional ones. You obviously don't know that Wallonia blocked CETA for months before its concerns were addressed. Your attitude seems vto mirror that of a lot of British politicians who think that trawling around individual EU countries can make some difference to the EU's policies and procedures.
Short answer. NO, Sorry, you made the decision, not us. Theres a famlus picture of the negotations where the EU negotiators sat with their folders and reams of papers they had after three years of preparing. Then there was Frost, sorry, Lord Frost, the whisky salesman and his cohort with not a single sheet of paper in front of them! You thought you held " all the cards". You just didnt hsve a clue and the EU negotiaters kicked ass.
Who are 'you', nearly half the people who voted to Remain in the EU?
@@EUidentity In this context I believe "you" is the UK and "us" is the EU.
@@EUidentityoh ok. Guys let them back in, only half voted for it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
FK ENGLAND
FK ENGLAND
FK ENGLAND
FK ENGLAND
FK THE ENGLISH
FK THE ENGLISH .
FK OFF BACK TO FRUITCAKE ISLAND .
@@batcollins3714 The idiot who thought he held all the cards, and hence didn't need any papers was David Davis.
Lord Frost was an excellent waffler; it's not a skill I'd recommend but it worked for Leave supporters who were eager to 'learn' that negotiations were not entirely negative.
No, it was the feckless David Davies
Can Brexit be 'reset'? No. Can the UK apply for another EU membership? Sure! Meet the criteria first and then hope there won't be any vetoes when applying. Good luck!
We still hold a big bag of anti-EU rhetoric. We would get vetoed and we would deserve it.
First thing first - we need to drop the baggage!
Sadly meeting the membership criteria does not guarantee that all EU members will agree to it. But we won't know until we get to that point.
@@andrewwatson5324 and meeting the current criterias will not be humanly possible within 30 years. And that is if everything goes perfectly. I would not put my money on that. A more realistic prospect is 60 years.
@ulfosterberg9116 The UK hasn't drifted that far from the current criteria. The worst-case successful applicant took about 12 years and the best case about 3. The government has to get the economy back on track fairly quickly to avert a desent into fascist dictatorship and the only way to do that is by joining the EU.
@@andrewwatson5324 read the criterias they are readily available.
When an immigrant from the UK lives and works in an EU country they see themselves as living in a UK Colony and assimilation into the new country is not happening. That is why they call themselves Expats, always being able to return the Empire at any time. Brexit was simply leaving the Colony and going back to the motherland. How do you want to reverse that?
@@CrownRider very good point .. I live in Spain 38 yrs . To me their my primos. Hermanos .nietos . My spangles is horrid I admit. Cockney Spanish dialect .. but ?? I consider myself a dago now,,, might Even apply for a Spanish passport next year . But your right about the Brits and the empire bit but not all of us , northern Europeans are all the same , especially the dutch. The Germans still think they are the bosses of Europe
@@colinstickland3130 "especially the dutch"
Really?
@@colinstickland3130 "But your right about the Brits and the empire bit but not all of us , northern Europeans are all the same " So Brits are not all the same but northern Europeans are all the same? You demand not to be painted with a broad brush while you paint northern Europeans, Dutch and Germans with that same broad brush? Putting all that into two sentences is perhaps the most ignorant and stupid thing I ever had to read.
"Can Brexit Be Reset?" In a word, no. The terms of the UK leaving the EU were laid down in the Withdrawal Agreement, after all.
It can be reset but it would be exclusively on EU terms. We have no leverage. Any treaty/contract can be changed but by agreement of all the parties to the original agreement.
@@taffyman6089 Exactly and the EU is happy with the TCA. As was Johnson as I recall. What's changed?
@@MrsGardinerreality set in
@@taffyman6089 Reset in its literal sense would mean going back to the starting point and making things undone. But that's not possible. How do you get back all the time and all the money being spent on both sides for dealing with Brexit? This is gone. And all the misbehavior, the insults and threats from UK people, media and politicians towards the EU, their member states and citizens. The trust which has been damaged due to all of that. The way UK residents from other EU countries have at times been treated after the referendum. All of that cannot be undone.
And pretending that all of that never happened will also not be done. Peoples lifes, careers and wellbeing have been affected. Other, more important topics have been delayed because the EU had to deal with a topic that arose from political and societal divisions and shortcomings from the UK. The UK has a very long way to go until it can be considered to become an EU member again. But even then all the things happening in the meantime, affects on peoples lifes, businesses crushing down or moving to an EU country, all that will not come back. And the relation between UK and the other EU members will also not be the same. So no, there is no reset.
We need a long-term commitment from politicians and responsible media to debunk and sideline lies and misinformation about the EU. Ideally, we need to prevent the spread of misinformation in mass media in the first place.
Make it illegal for a couple of media barons to control most of the British media. They poisoned the UK.
Ideally, the UK needs an educated population.
@ab-ym3bf Most of my political education came from following the news for years. That news almost never talked about the EU in any meaningful way and rarely talked about our European neighbours, even though it was happy to provide extensive coverage of American politics. This has to change. Political and legal structures need to be part of the education curriculum and media need to talk about them in a factual way, including the EU, on a regular basis.
@@andrewwatson5324 well, precisely the point.
One doesn't get a basic education from following news, one is supposed to get that in school. I was taught politics, society etc in school, even history classes were more about the underlying politics than what battles in a war and who won.
Media in the UK is laughable, but can only thrive as it does because the population is so under educated.
@andrewwatson5324 Absolutely and probably a new law to ban media barons owning more than one media outlet. A handful of men, including one who isn't European or a resident, own nearly all of it. They are anti-EU, very right-wing, and have a lot of influence. They drip fed negativity about the EU for decades.
Since my first post was removed, let's try it again:
No, relationships can get refreshed, a new start.
But brexit is a fait a compli, an event that has happenend, with consequences that cannot be reset, reversed or what ever.
Hello from 🇮🇪 Ireland. The British people were sold a pup by lthose who craved a return to the past. The empire is gone. Over. After the referendum I was a bit concerned that we might be sidelined a bit as EU eyes turned eastwards.. Instead our country has bloomed and thrived.
Until the British people have a proper conversation with themselves to realise the disasterous decision they took there will be no appetite to have Britain back.
@PaulBarnwall Thanks dude. I live in Ireland. Not exactly heaven here with a severe housing crises but yeah the economy in thriving. Not great in Cavan here but Dublin is super duper trooper. The Brits have a conversation, it goes like this:.
Rejoiner "I want to rejoin".
Brexiteer "Shut up'"
EU citizen (online): "NO!".
That's it.
Regarding domestic politics. It is very divided by FPTP, the media, the far-right and austerity, and deep inequalities have caused so much misery. It can't have a conversation, it's lost.
I warn the Irish to watch your own nationalists. They tried to burn down a hotel near Rosscahill, County Galway. My good friend had his wedding reception there. It was horrific. These guys are like the RA, very divisive and ideological. Waiving the Irish flag. Now it's everywhere in Europe. It's not just a UK problem, nationalists are a major threat to the EU.
We need to separate the elite and the general population, the elite are in power (that is not going to change anytime soon) and have a desire for a political direction that goes very much against what the general population wants/needs, the problem is not the general population, the problem is the elite who do not want to make anything good for anyone but themselves.
@K2teknik. That's true, at least the elites that define the economic system in the UK and the world, they hold everybody to ransom with their greed and threats to impoverish us if we don't yield to their desire. The UK has been in austerity since 2008. Completely unnecessary. High levels of inequalities, work related stress, and illnesses. Slaves to the machine.
@@K2teknik. The problem is increasingly concentrated in the political elite. The opinion in the business elite is hardening very fast against Brexit, but, for a range of reasons, it has long been too deferential to the political elite (and anyway, business people have their businesses to run). This is a systemic crisis for the UK (on top of everything else).
But we never wanted to be part of a European Empire.
Free trade yes....political union no.
'...offering young people in Britain the opportunity to come to the continent, restoring their rights as EU citizens...'
Under the Youth mobility scheme, as proposed by the Commission, they would be limited to the country with whom they have the agreement, their visit would be time-limited, they would have to have the necessary resources to support their whole stay, they would need comprehensive health insurance, and their ability to travel to other EU states would be defined by existing Schengen rules for third countries. What EU citizens' rights would be restored?
It is the usual misrepresentation of reality by brits.
These are supposed to be knowledgeable persons, yet they make mistake after mistake in how they represent issues EU related.
The scheme works both ways, with the same rights for European youth. That’s part of the UK’s opposition to it, the fear of too many youth coming to the UK even though it is time limited (3 or 4 years maximum).
Starmer is 62, average life expectancy for a male in UK is 80.7 years.
5 to 7 years of decline for an average voter to accept that the old “united we stand, divided we fall” is true.
Then 20 years of the application process and the negotiations.
Yup, Starmer is right, it is unlikely UK will join EU in his lifetime.
I think that it doesn't make any sense to talk about joining until the UK fully implements the FTA agreement with the EU. Starmer is trying to cherry pick again and the result was that the EU revokes the proposal for young people to come to the EU on special terms and not accept the UK business degrees in the EU. 😂
Some people never learned...
@klausschumacher7126 He's a realist. The trade deal is made of turd. He can't implement yet it without a lot of problems. The EU knows that.
Well, my British friends, a return to the EU is not going to be a walk in the park...And it will never be as it was before...No more exceptions, no more cherry pickings.. As a matter of fact, I think UK won't get back in EU in the next decades..😮😮
I'm sure you take delight in sharing that too. How lovely it must be to laugh at people who never supported it. Great fun for you. Ha ha
@@EUidentity You have to understand that we on the mainland have taken rather poorly the rhetoric that was said in the halls of the EU parliament when Farage, Witicombe & the other UK representatives waving their little made in china plastic union jacks gloating, totally thinking they were sticking it up to the EU, I remember the vitriol and lies that were said about the EU (and its members) ,I myself as a belgian was particularly shocked when Farage called Van Rompuy (one of the most respected, humble and competent former belgian prime minister we have ever had) the then president of the EU council a "nobody with the charisma of a vegetable..."
Gloating is a game that two can play, ofc it doesnt very much help here since the channel is full of remainers here, but still..
@@EUidentity
You are absolutely right!
It’s definitely great fun!
Hahahahaha
@geraldwagner8739 lol, another sociopathic troll.
@@geraldwagner8739 sociopath lol
EU of course is interested in that the "best and the brightest" move to EU. Just as they are very interested that companies, big and small, will move to EU.
You can be sure the best and brightest would never have supported Wrexit either.
This time you will have to adopt the euro and ditch the pound, and also join the Schengen passport free area. All your old privileges will be gone.
This time, the UK will have to show it is and will remain a teamplayer, able to fulfill the Copenhagen criterium of "adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union."
Of course.
Which would flatten the UK economy. Remember the ERM debacle? And BLACK WEDNESDAY.
@@gregjones-x8c well, then stay out and flatten the UK economy even more.
Your problem, not that of the EU
Looks like Schengen is on borrowed time with individual member states looking to implement their own ways of controlling people movement. Dream on.
I had been anglophile....untill the BREXIT drama happened. Years of negotiations with bad prepared UK officials who did not understand the common market passed. No. Do not come back. It will start again after some years. Sorry, you are nod made for beeing a teamplayer. You are still a bit too much in "imperial moode".
I bet you were an anglophile. It's funny, it always starts with that line and ends with fluck the Brits. Cheers bud, love ❤️ u. Xxxx
@@EUidentity And the arrogance shines back again. Probably you will prefer to starve than eat humble pie. Love you too xxx
I also used to be an anglophile about some things although never cricket. But I don't think it's about "imperial mode". The British psychology is more fear of foreigners and an inferiority complex these days. They will not admit to those things, but that is what is driving some of the toxic politics in the UK That might be why the UK is not always a great team player.
@@EUidentity Let me guess, you once "were a Remainer". Have a nice cup of British water. It's delicious and nutritious.
@@russmarkham2197 Spot on I think and as every Freudian knows a superiority complex is in fact the outside manifestation of an inferiority complex (lowest command of a second language among 37 countries--and that including the UK regional languages Welsh, Cornish, Gaelic and Scots)
We currently have a situation where nearly all the Remainers are still actively against Brexit- they haven't warmed to it at all- and the Leavers aren't happy either, cos they are now angry and frustrated that their blessed Brexit is isn't anywhere near as good as they hoped it would be: Immigration has gone up not down, the country is poorer by 100 billion a year and our trade deals has been woeful. This means that almost everyone in the UK is royally fed up. That's hardly a ringing endorsement of Brexit. But undoing this will be a long slog, there are no quick routes back into the EU. I'm afraid I think we will be out of the EU for as long as we were in it.
@@Buckets1000 Well, we need words to communicate and Remainer is still widely used. I could have said Re-joiner, or Brexit-hater, or whatever, but basically my point is that those who voted to stay in the EU haven't changed their minds about the fact that Brexit was and is a mistake.
You're fooling yourself.
Leave voters and supporters have no intention of allowing the UK to be dragged into the EU. Forget it.
And if you're pinning your hopes on those "polls" 🙄, don't waste your time. They are worthless and meaningless.
@@danielcarr7090We leave voters and supporters don't care what you "think".
Getting dragged into the EU without a national plebiscite was a blunder, made by John Major who anti brexiters still trot out and parade at us.
@@Buckets1000How about *regurgitator* ? Since you trot out the same Bravo Sierra you did for the last 8 years.
@@Buckets1000You're not being shadow banned. You need to set the comments order to "newest" instead of "top".
I think John Stevens is onto it. Starmer is doing what the Conservatives did, to appease the Brexiters rather than face the reality. At least the Conservatives have a faction that wants Brexit for their own partisan advantage. But Labour's pro-Brexit suppporters seem to be there out of ignorance or fear or years of influence by the right-wing media. Starmer needs to be helping them understand that Brexit is doing serious harm to the UK as a whole, and that only the very wealthy stand to gain anything from it, mostly by suppressing living standards of Labout voters.
Trying to appease Labour anit-EU sentiment is a hiding to nothing. Once reality dawns, Starmer the appeaser will be toast.
If Starmer came to believe that his pro-Brexit stance was doing him electoral harm he might well change his tune quite rapidly.
@@brendandonnelly1853 But he is a loong way down a rabbit-hole which has been evident for a long time and where he has been burning his escape routes. Difficult to do the u-turn necessary without losing public trust (of which he is already short)
i agree. Starmer's in danger of pleasing no one with mealy-mouthed compromises..
A reset means a way back to an older status - when mentioned in connection to Brexit, it can only be a return to a pre-Brexit status.
That will never happen! If a wide majority over a longer time fights for a return to EUrope and if the UK government tries very hard to meet the basic entry conditions and prepare the population for the changes after a new membership, we will perhaps see the UK represented in Brussels again - in 50 years or so.
Daydreaming can be nice, but it is not helpful for a bigger power with nuclear weapons...
No. It means starting from scratch and rebuilding. Starmer has ruled out acceding to SM or CU or EU.
You've got the weight idea.
@@Lucid.dreamer It means starting from the minimum EU conditions like any other applicant.
And 'Starmer has ruled out acceding to SM or CU or EU.' means absolutely nothing as it isn't in the hands of Mr. Starmer to do that anyhow!
@@uweinhamburg we are *not* applying for anything.
It's simply international relations.
And the UK has *its* terms.
As I said. Starmer has ruled out SM, CU, EU membership. He is pursuing a security pact. Like he is with India.
You have the complety wrong idea.
@@uweinhamburg let me make this very clear to you.
The UK is *never* going to seek EU membership. Not in ten years. Not in fifty years. Not *ever.*
The UK *does not need or desire EU membership.*
Only anti brexiters / "rejoiners" carp on about that and they do not matter.
@@Lucid.dreamer You have watched the initial video?
The title was 'can Brexit be reset' which would include a hypothetical entry of EUrope, which would need an application process. At the moment it perfect that the UK does not apply, It saves a lot of unnecessary work and embarrassment.
We are all aware that the UK is certainly in no condition to apply for membership. In that sense, it is positive that Mr. Starmer is realistic enough not to look for something he cannot have anyway. It's the same as me ruling out that i will win the New York marathon next year...
The old 'out means out' idea..
The security pact for the West is called NATO
The government's of the European Union will decide if and when it will accept an application from the UK to begin negotiations to become a member of the European Union.
Any government can veto that application.
The EU doesn't "negotiate" application, it starts a defined burocratic process.
@@ab-ym3bf
It accepts or rejects the application.
If the application is accepted it begins a defind process.
Correct. But no 2 countries are the same, each country has its own unique requirements.
Ireland today, is unrecognisable compared to 50 odd years ahold when we joined in 1973.
Today, Ireland is an outward developed country with technology to the fore.
50 years ago, Ireland was an insular,inward, backward, agrarian country, where the Catholic Church had an unhealthy influence on the government. Today's Ireland, I opineto, would not have morphed into what it is today without the help of the European Union.
The UK started a process to leave the European Union. That process involved negotiations if my memory has not failed me.
first learn how the eu is put together and how it works instead of this nonsensical Sunday school nonsense
Thank you Jesus
Good to see you two back - helpful discussion +++. My sense is that what we have in the UK is a sort of moral cowardice over Europe. Very few of us can recall anything so toxic and paralysing, and so harmful to the democratic process in the UK as the referendum and its aftermath. I think Starmer has decided that we simply don’t have the collective energy to confront the complex forces of darkness that led to our exit all over again. Which would require a serious effort of leadership. I may yet leave the Labour Party over Erasmus +, having benefited immensely from a year in France as a young adult (actually pre-Erasmus) I find the willingness to block others from the same life changing and life enhancing benefits quite cynical and worse than annoying. To move from People’s Vote to anti-Erasmus is quite bizarre. Makes no real sense at all. It’s all a bit discouraging except for the fact that we are losing economic momentum and events in Europe and elsewhere will make a passive attitude unfeasible in the medium term. I long to see a senior MP become the Rejoin equivalent of Farage with a permanent eloquent slot on mainstream media - banging on about it. Otherwise who can blame ordinary voters from viewing it as a dead duck issue.
Despite the lack of political leadership opinion polls show increasing opposition to Brexit in the UK. That would not be so if the electorate really saw Brexit as a dead duck issue.
@@brendandonnelly1853 Ummm... I think you're pinning your hopes on those "polls".
You do know they are worthless.
The real "poll" is the ballot box. I think we can tell that there is *no appetite at all* for EU membership I in the UK.
That's why major party will go near it.
@@brendandonnelly1853It's actually more like a dead parrot.
@@Lucid.dreamer Always helpful to have an expert on hand.
@@michaelwilliams3232 always interesting to see an OCD dingbat stalker.
Here in the Netherlands we are looking at expanding visas from countries that aren't in the EU. We can't get workers from Poland either. Our German business used to have a pipeline of Russian young workers but that's for obvious reasons come to an end. Nobody is thinking about the Brits rejoining over here, we just need workers, like you do.
It's very simple.
The UK is nowhere near meeting the Copenhagen criteria. And it's not going to be for many decades.
So forget it.
Starmer is correct.
But actually the UK is never going to seek EU membership. You people are just deluded.
Always helpful to have an expert on hand.
@@michaelwilliams3232 interesting to see an OCD dingbat stalker.
@michaelwilliams3232 always interesting to see an OCD dingbat stalker.
...your bias reeks!
UK will apply to join the EU again once the consequences of Brexit restore UK’s economy to the glorious state it had when UK first applied.
I'm just curious, but what they make them so sure, they will have a pass from all 27 members?
The answer is no. There is no such thing as a 'reset' when it comes to joining the EU. The UK would need to have another referendum on the matter and then the UK government would have to apply for membership of the EU just like any other would-be member of the union. There's no 'reset' button for old times sake, or whatever it is you imagine. Please get real.
No, it cannot. Brexit means brexit, doesn't it?😂
The ‘again join’ problem is much deeper than 99% of those who write or talk about it ‘think’ or even ‘suspect’.
They all think that if they understand anything at all about how the EU works - which 90% of Brits don't - all they have to do is apply, fulfil a few criteria for membership and then they would be back in.
The procedure starts much earlier. And it is not written down anywhere. It follows from the logic of the facts (greetings to Mr Spock).
1.
The principle of unanimity applies in the EU. So any country can veto - even without reason - and block the entire vote. Poland until the parliamentary elections in 2023 and Hungary until today practise this blackmail option.
The EU will put a stop to this. And until the principle is changed to the majority principle, it will not accept any country. Neither the UK nor any other.
2.
And after all the unspeakable, excessively arrogant behaviour of the UK, it is the last country in Europe from which the EU will allow itself to be treated so condescendingly again.
3.
The UK has no written constitution. After everything that has happened to the UK since 2016 and continues to this day, the EU will not accept a country with a loose-leaf constitution.
4.
Anyone who thinks that the EU will once again allow the UK to inflict damage totalling many billions of euros on the EU with a referendum in which there is no quorum and a simple majority is sufficient has not heard the shot.
5.
With the current electoral law in the UK, a party that receives 30% of the votes can decide everything. Even declare its withdrawal from the EU. I doubt that the EU would accept such a country.
These are just a few aspects. 10, 15 more.
6.
And only after all of this a possible application phase begin and after that the examination of the Kopemhagen criteria would would start the next phase.
7.
So we are talking about a very long road and a very long period of time until a second membership could come about.
8.
This means for the UK:
There is no short-term escape from relegation.
Yes this is true for EU membership. There are other options for single market access and FoM of Labour. Peripheral associated membership for example. It would limit British political influence of the EU and allow the UK to wear a naughty cap but have a closer relationship.
Anything is possible but it requires a will to do such things. How that could happen is impossible to say. But it's possible.
@@EUidentityforget it, we've had enough of you lot!
@@EUidentity There aren't any _existing_ options for SM access and FoM of Labour and it's questionable whether the entirety of EEA (EFTA and EU members) were willing to create one just for the benefit of the UK and to their own detriment.
Case in point: what court would have jurisdiction over trade disputes between the SM and the UK?
@@EUidentity No. You are referring to Macron's proposal. Macron told nonsense. Other EU members told him. One minute after.
@Michael_from_EU_Germany You guys just love the negativity. It's absolutely possible. I said very carefully, if there is the will'...
Sir Keir Starmer is deeply disappointing in his short Premiership. You're right that " reset " is hyperbolic for the thin substance he's offered so far.
No serious long term strategy for economic growth in the UK can shoulder its way past impediments to youth exchange for education, research, marketing, the ordinary human contacts on which business relationships are seeded and grow. Trade needs to be satisfying and enabling, as well as profitable.
Writing from abroad, the FPTP system is actually distorting the political centre of gravity now. Even a landslide is fragile, whereas under PR, the likes of Reform and the Tories would have to temper their extremities, by the knowledge they might actually have to serve in a stable Coalition.
Face it, there is no blame, the people voted, the government did as the voters decided however stupid. Brexit happened and it can't be changed in this century. Empires die, the poor suffer, the rich carry on as usual. The secret....EDUCATION, something sadly missing in soccer and tv saturated UK.
rubbish. even on a high speed lane the process of rejoining eu would take minimum 12 years. as the bank of england reported for many many years the people in the uk will get poorer.
I guess they have to take the hyper-loop, seriusly.
With all the amount of work the UK has to do it will even take a long time on an imaginary high speed lane. But since such a lane doesn't exist for joining the EU it is pointless to think about that. There is only one lane and it is decribed in article 49 of the EU treaty. So the only thing left to accelerate things is to start sooner.
Yeah.....just like people in Germany are getting poorer..?? Maybe Germany should join the EU..? 😂😂😂..Ooops..!
Why would the election of Sinn Féin lead to a potential confrontation between the EU and UK?
Because of the enhanced prospect of a border poll and how this might be perceived by Unionists in Northern Ireland, in the light of the very diminished credibility of their political leadership, which may be handing greater influence to more extremist elements.
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge But I don't understand what that has to do with EU/UK tensions.
Sinn Féin don't own the reunification question. On Thursday in Derry Leo Varadkar called on all parties contesting the next election in Ireland to have reunification as an objective rather than an aspiration, and said recently that he expects a poll within ten years. The likes of Varadkar using that language deflates English and other unionist efforts to somehow to demonise reunification. Irish reunification - Sinn Féin - IRA. No, it doesn't work anymore , as hard as you try.
Reunification will not be derailed by unionist terrorist violence or threats of violence.
Because brits would love to have the NI situation as some sort of leverage to get concessions from the EU, hence their open support for the brexit voting part of NI, breaking its contractual obligation of neutrality.
@@frankoneill5675good reply
@@ab-ym3bf Exactly
Thank you.
They will never rejoin and give up the Pound Sterling !!!!!
Any headline ending with a question mark can be answered with the word “No”
Indeed
@@ab-ym3bf Really? You mean like: "Does God exist?"
In all honesty We do not care. You decided to vote like the Luftwaffe was still at your throats each night. Just deal with it.
Are you talking to me or Brexiteers?
1. 16 million didn't vote for it at the time
2. I didn't get the right to vote as I lived in the EU.
3. Many have come of age to vote since the referendum.
4. Millions of Brexiteers have since died of old age.
You are generalising and are behaving like a nationalist that exercises racial discrimination. You don't care because you hate all of us and have no compassion or empathy for those caught up in it.
France and Germany want the UK to open legal ways for asylum seekers, so that the criminality attendant to small boat crossing stops. Because asylum seekers should have a way to get to Britain legally.
Starmer is surprising me with his pronounced naivety and weakness with regards to Britain's growth and trade prospects. It's almost like both Labour and the Tories have accepted a smaller British economic model for the long term behind the scenes whilst shouting about the need for growth from the rooftops. This smoke and mirrors tactics doesn't bode well for trust in politicians.
It does not bode well for much more than just that.
I am genuinely curious how long this "debate" can go on. Brexit paralysed London for the better part of a decade now but as it seems you cannot leave that topic alone. It´s a trainwreak and no matter how long you keep talking about it it won´t get any better. If you create those basically lawless "special economic zones"´d become even more difficult to trade with the continent because nobody here wants *that* kind of "competition"...
The fact the debate is ongoing demonstrates that Brexit can and imv will be reversed. The only questions are how long will it take and how much damage is done to the UK in the meantime.
@@johnstevens1022no, since the "debate" in the UK is still mostly focused on the 2026 referendum, what % voted what, was it legal on the one hand, and about non existing ways for the UK to either return to the EU immediately or to use the non existing options of being member of the SM and/or CU without EU membership.
So 2 debates that will bring the UK not a single step further.
You yourself show the classic symptoms of the fallacy of the debate by speaking of "reversing brexit". Ot only is that a non existing issue, it also is not a unilateral action or decision from the UK.
@@ab-ym3bf Nonsense. It is about the immense and ongoing costs of Brexit, but it is one confined to business circles and the general public, and comprehensively evaded, for various reasons, by the political parties and thus the media.
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge your standard reply to any post it seems: "nonsense".
Yet every comment section, every debate follows the topics I have me tion es. So not nonsense.
These two guy will be pushing up daisy's before Britain regions the Eu
😂
Not only them - their children, too, will be pushing daisies before little brexitannia will be given a second chance by us 🇪🇺. Their grandchildren might live to see a second membership, but they - the grandchildren - shouldn't hold their breath.
Greetings from Bavaria 🇪🇺
WHY ?
The only people still talking about Brexit are the Brits. Rest of the EU has moved on years ago. The EU is far from perfect with immigration being a huge issue. We are seeing quite a number of EU countries taking their own measures. With EU fingerprint and facial recognition coming in soon for the Schengen Area, and an EU Visa also soon required for 3rd-country visitors, at least movements will be monitored better. Also the EU needs its citizens to feel more EU and less country-centric, and Brexit ironically has re-inforced how important this is. It is inevitable that the situation in the UK will only get worse and yes the EU holds all the cards. It has from day one. UK's intention was not only to leave the EU but also to break it up, trying to court EU countries individually during negotiations. The brits need to eat humble pie and yes, become more desperate, maybe one day, out of the EU's generosity, they are let back in.
Let them stew in their own stinking juice!
No, the EU will not out if generosity let the UK back in. That would mean undermining its own future.
It was the tories that thought other countries would follow suit in leaving.
"The brits need to eat humble pie" - 48% voted to remain. I feel as if you're conflating the humble pie issue across the entire population. It wasn't an overwhelming majority that wanted to cease membership. Yes, the media and tory government were corrupt before and after the referendum. British exceptionalism exists within them, not across the entire nation. There are political parties (liberal Democrats, greens, Labour) which are fond of the EU.
The youth mobility program is defined by a limited period of time with a minimum of 4 years, nothing like restoring former rights at all. Disingenuous
Excellent talk thank you.
The UK government has just cancelled "Not for sale in EU" labels on food and other products going to NI that do not meet EU standards and that was in the Windsor Framework. Is it worthwhile for the EU to spend its time and resources negotiating anything else with the UK. or should it just insist on compliance with the current TCA, which is up for review, i.e. audit, not renegotiation, in May 2026 regarding its implementation status and the parties fulfillment of their obligations under it? Will the UK have done so by then? The EU has not forgotten that it was publicly stated in the Commons that the UK felt able to break its treaty obligations " even if only in a specific and limited way". Has that changed with the new government? If so is it merely on hold until a future UK government decides to revive it? Starmer swanning around trying to do the "old pals" act won't cut much ice in EU circles after the labelling cancellation.
The change only applies to the use of the label on food in Britain. The label still has to be on goods going to the Six Counties.
@@frankoneill5675 So if its exported from Britain to the EU how do EU import controls know it doesn't meet EU standards? Will it be because it doesn't carry the CE mark and would therefore be refused admittance?
@@maxharbig1167There are still checks between GB and NI, I believe… I’m not sure because indeed the agreements with the UK are volatile …
@@maxharbig1167 The 'not for EU' label in relation to the Six Counties must be on goods going through the green channel, where checks are minimum, to indicate it will stay in the Six Counties and not move on into Ireland/EU.
Food that might end up in the EU/Ireland at the border or is going via the Six Counties to Ireland, does not have the label, and goes through the red channel, and is subject to the same SPS checks etc as at any other EU/UK physical border.
Under the Protocol, the goods staying in the Six Counties have the label. The only reason it was 'rolled out' to all UK food, something that was an internal matter for the UK and didn't concern the EU, was to appease the DUP, so they wouldn't feel they were being treated differently from British consumers. The roll-out was ridiculous tokenism, but probably helped the DUP save face
If goods are going , say, from Dover to Calais, they are subject to standard SPS checks.
More please! These conversations are balm to my soul.
No it’s too late and you got what you said you wanted. There is no reason for the EU to want to renegotiate your exit, it is in the past.
They have higher priorities with other countries wanting to negotiate joining.
So why doesn't 2T Keir offer another referendum? Because he knows he will lose?
Illegal immigration can't be a problem. If police catch an illegal immigrant, they can be sent home immediately. It seems that the Brits still are battling with the terms, Illegal immigrants, immigrants, and asylum seekers.
There is indeed enormous confusion between issues of asylum, issues of economic migration, issues of European demand for labour both skilled and unskilled, and issues of low European fertility/family formation rates. But I am not sure this confusion is more marked in the UK than in the EU (or the US) if one can cut away the general British Brexit-related conceptual and strategic incoherence (which constitutes a collective national brain fog imv).
@@JohnStevens-gp7ge I think we can see the difference here in Denmark. An illegal is someone who has entered "under the radar". If you are illegal, you must have good arguments, for not being punished and deported permanently.
An immigrant is someone who is allowed to be here, otherwise he/she would be illegal.
An asylum seeker is someone who has reported to the police and registered, as an asylum seeker. That is why they are legally in the country.
I don't see why it is so difficult to understand, I don't think my compatriots have problems distinguishing between legal and illegal.
If they are in a country illegally, send them home with a "persona non grata" stamp in their passport.
Yes, Keir Streamer is generally loath to rock the boat.
There is only one way and that in long term shall be a federal Europe without loosing culture(s) and identity. The problems of our world needs joining up inn decision making.
As members, The UK helped to balance the argument over a federal Europe. Without them, The EU is now more likely to go federal and The UK can no longer prevent that.
Starmer, the key figure on mission to slow bake brexit into the fabric of UK culture and society. A couple of little cherries from the EU to put on top maybe but that's it. He's never made a single move to appease pro-EU sentiment which, he must believe, is docile and malleable enough to have its pitifully weak hope slowly snuffed out altogether.
Correct. So we must prove to him we are not docile, malleable and pitifully weak. We have very powerful potential allies, not least in the financial markets.
I actually agree with some of your views. However, in the interests of transparency, I would like to know more about the "Federal Trust". I see that you have a Director and a Chair. Do you have anyone else, anything else? Do you do anything apart from make occasional UA-cam videos? Just curious.
Informative as ever - very glad that i subscribe.
UK will have to give up sterling pound and accept Euro, the next time its back in EU.
Can the before brexit UK to EU situation be reset I hope so but at the logical normal conditions, no the one pro UK of before the brexit. Be member of the EU at equal footing than any other nation of the EU.
No
twice we voted and yet labour keep trying to undo, they do want they want going back to the beginning of time,i wonder how many people who voted for them will vote now???
No, Labour don't have the balls to do anything meaningful...The debate is polarising if it is only extreme options. Completely out as now or back in. Norway is neither and should be considered as a blueprint....and also something everyone can understand and agree .
The Norway option isn't on offer anymore, hasn't been for years and this has been mentioned and explained many times.
The way things are looking for Starmer, he may not be PM in a few months. However, that is not the problem which is to steer the top LP ranks into realignment with the pro EU views of the membership. I don't see anyone in the top ranks willing to address the party's progressive vote base in preference to the swing vote socially conservative red wall constituents.
As for Starmer, he is a big disappointment with his cautious lack of political aptitude.
I hope not. The EU is so much better off without them...
@Oil2024 in my local supermarket here in the UK, I've seen food labelled 'not for sale in the EU'. Why shouldn't EU citizens buy this food if they want to?
@yorkshiremgtow1773 The EU citizens *can* order this muck directly from little brexitannia if they please to - at their own risk, since it comes with the required warning. They can also order Chinese muck directly from China.
In the EU, however, this British muck no longer meets required EU minimum standards, that's why the EU doesn't sell it in EU supermarkets.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
PS given the stupidity of your questions, *gammon* ..... maybe the EU should add a photo of your face next to the 'not for EU' warning, just to visualize what the poor consequences of consumption of the Breeeteeesh muck looks like 😎
Starmer's retisence in properly addressing Brexit is understandable. However, he as no choice but to be bold about it as Brexit is the root cause of the UK's manifold problems, and without its reversal Labour cannot even begin to meet it's promises of economic growth, a fairer society, a functioning NHS, etc. All of this requires investment, which is not going to happen, in any real sense, until it is clear that the UK is headed back into the EU or at least the single market. The point is that the market has already reached the sane conclusion that the UK cannot make it alone, which is a view shared by Starmer. It's important that he level with the country on this. And the sooner the better. Starmer seems to be counting on two terms to set things right. I am afraid that is overly optimistic. Voters will soon forget the disaster that were the Tories, as they have in the US, with Trump. If he wants to a second term, Starmer needs to show quite quickly his policies are working and that cannot happen until Brexit is reversed.
The oligarchs running the Tory Party today won't entertain any thoughts of returning to the EUROPEAN UNION and consequently that EUROPEAN UNION won't waste their time on entertaining a Labour proposition without the bipartisanship required as a prerequisite. Get over it .......and work on the monied interests running that opposition party.
"A Labour proposition" for joining the EU?
You seem blissfully unaware of reality, in which the UK cannot do more than file a request for application via rt 49TEU. It doesn't get to propose anything.
@@ab-ym3bf how are your nits going?.
Together with the EU the UK also left the Belfast Agreement. People crossing the Channel heading north to become illegal immigrants started in France as legal travelers, and each now is one less to cost and trouble. So a migration agreement can wait until brits cross the Channel heading south. Same here with everything else; security, defense, research, ..... . That's all no issue at the moment. The only thing labour needs to do now is to comply with the Windsor Framework. Allez hop!
You know you’re going to use the Euro.
Certainly.
And end up like Greece.
@@gregjones-x8coutside the EU there will come a time the UK would hope to be like Greece.
@@gregjones-x8c Greece's woes had nothing to do with the euro, but ytou are too dumb to understand.
They will never qualifiy to join. And they won't be EU members ever again. Good riddance
I was 17:04 encouraged when Starmer said we would not rejoin the EU in his lifetime. It seemed to me the perfect candidate to end up in 😅a compilation of “things I wish I had never said.”😮
He doesn't expect to live much beyond one hundred, that's all it tells you.
I am very happy for any UK citizen whom wishes for a reset, to be sent to live in the EU permanently.
It would be the best outcome both for the EU and the UK for the UK to (re)join the EU on the same basis as everyone else, without optouts or special arrangements of any kind.
Is there any other option?
What a weird post.
Only if the EU will be generous & are they likely to feel generous after the UK have been insulting since 2016 & a pain in the ass forever? This is why Keir is trying to become friends with the EU. This will take time. A lot of time, I fear.
Yes, We the UK, Must now Re-Join The EU, And By way of Saying Sorry for want The Tory's have Done "Brexit", We should take the Euro and all the rights and freedom we had before, 14 years of Hell. Scotland will
The process of becoming a member a second time takes 10 to 20 years.
That doesn't help the UK now.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany It breaks my heart, Brexit. but Scotland will start by taking the Euro.
Not again the nonsense that fulfilling a requirement for membership is graciously accepted by the UK as a means of saying sorry.
Most in the EU do not care about a British sorry, knowing the value of it. Empty words.
You take the € if the EU says it is a requirement for membership, or you keep out.
@@daviddack1595 Scotland will need to start by finding a way to get independent first.
And it seems there is no overwhelming majority of Scottish people in favor of such a move.
We had a democratic vote. Verdict = LEAVE. Respect that vote.
Why are the British whining and the Europeans not?
We are opening great doors for UK making huge space for return of that state in Union.
Comb your hair,bro.
Brexit mess
Brexit disaster
I've voted Conservative for many, many years, however out of frustration i voted Green, i actually feel they are by far the most honest party. However, if Labour would have stated that they would begin talks to rejoin, theyd have had my vote and support.
Start rejoining these programs Erasmus, YM, Musicians, Phytosanitary, Vets, Horizon...get on with it
No.
Thanks, but no, thanks.
@@Lucid.dreamer Always helpful to have an expert on hand.
No way, remember, no cherry picking. Behave like the rest of us or go your own way. You already did that. Bye, bye
@@Lucid.dreamer Are you a spokesman for the No thanks people?
@batcollins3714 Bye bye one man apparently speaking for half a billion Europeans in the EU. Perhaps you should be an MEP.
I think Labour position is political but not economical. The fault lines are still too deep for UK to start thinking about rejoining. EU is not ready for talks about rejoining and have enormous issues themselves. Germany being economically weak and politically divided is not helping stability in EU and T is a threat to the whole world. The best result is a much closer alignment with EU, more in direction of the EEA
"EU is not ready for talks".
No, the EU is not interested in talks, since the UK hasn't even implemented the current agreements. Any talk about joining is moot, given the UK doesn't meet the criteria.
Germany's economical dip is a concern for Germany in the first place, not much the EU can do about it. Germany is not economically weak, it is in a dip but has a far, far better base compared to say the UK.
So save us your false biased British analysis, and educate yourself about the EEA. There is no EEA option for the UK. .
I think you may be too focused on Brexit to see what's going on. Farage has a deep-seated far-right ideology that is neo-liberal in economics and nationalistic/xenophobic in politics. Starmer is part of a movement on the Right of the Labour party which had, as its initial aim, to reclaim the party from its members and is relatively hazy about what to do now that it has won power - not least because all the Labour Party's popular (re-distributionist) policies came out of its left-wing, Corbynite milieu. The Right of the Labour Party think they are "the adults in the room" and the "sensible" people, but you can't govern a democracy with policies that aren't even halfway popular and you can't revive a capitalist economy that is becoming more plutocratic with every passing day by imposing austerity on working people. The antidote to Farage is to be found in economic policy that advantages working people: e.g. by making work more lucrative than living off investments, by promoting trade unionism and higher wages, by redistributing wealth (when the working class don't have problems, they don't go looking for scapegoats). It also involves political stability, which can be achieved in the UK by introducing proportional representation, a move which would convince the EU that the UK could be a serious partner.
The Labour Right want power but don't have a vision. That is to be found on the Left of the party. If you want to reverse Brexit, it is the (still largely left-leaning) membership of the Labour party that will be able to achieve the UK part of that. They are currently dealing emotionally with having been duped by Starmer (who brought back all the people they rejected in 2015, such as Yvette Cooper, who gained only 17% in the leadership contest with Corbyn and Liz Kendall, who won just 4.5%), but their commitment to EU membership is still there.
Dumb stupid Brexit Britain
It is discrimination. You can't allow one set of people to have a form of a relaxation on the freedom of movement restriction while leaving the rest of the people in chains. It is absurd to think that young people will be any more likely to build a future in Europe than all the older people who already had planned to leave during the transition period they were promised during 2020 that could not be honoured because of the pandemic. Thousands of british people of all ages and mostly not young had planned to build a future in Europe that year, many wanting to join family but could not because covid was a danger.
Thousands of British people living in the EU were denied a vote in the referendum and thousands of EU citizens committed to the UK were denied a vote in the referendum.
You can't deny both groups a vote because you are saying to one group "you can't vote because even if you are committed to the UK you are not British" and the other group "OK you are British but you are not committed to the UK" it is effectively creating 2 opposing reasons not to be allowed a vote.
Either one of those groups would have tipped the close result of the referendum to remain and therefore "The will of the people" was to remain despite the result. Since then thousands who voted leave have changed their mind.
You can't then kick all of the above in the teeth by saying "Young people can have the thing you've been unfairly denied by a referendum a judge said was unfair win by a campaign which was a tissue of lies but you have to remain a prisoner or apply for a visa that might not be granted" it's manifestly unfair.
The other thing is that the over 65 demographic get put in a category as if they are responsible for voting leave when is is a massive demographic which contains people of 80 and above who at the time of the vote voted remain in numbers far greater than those who were 65 to 75.
Freedom of movement is a human right not a political issue.
Give that tiresome argumentation a rest, and get educated what it is about.
Hint: freedom of movement has nothing to do with it.
Youth mobility is not Freedom of Movement. It would be time limited, so doesn't allow people to build their future on Europe
@@ab-ym3bf Sorry you find logic and reason tiresome. And my response is self contained and not pertaining to whatever it is you think "that is about" suggest you read what I wrote again carefully and think about it for more than a month and get yourself educated and stop being so arrogant and insulting.
@@Rich-ng3yy 'logic and reason'? Don't flatter yourself
@@Rich-ng3yy there is no "logic and reason" in your statement. As mentioned, youth mobility isn't about FOM. If you cannot even have the basics right, the rest is moot anyway.
E U hold all the cards and the UK now as a third World entity can only hope they allow future closer ties as was for over 40years..
BRESET ?
We will return to the EU.
In the year 3535, if man is still alive!
The answer is YES. But it will take time.
The EU will happily accept our brightest young people, why shouldn't they? It's always easier to steal talent than raising your own, especially when you were in a steady decline in human intelligence like the EU has shown.
Oh, absolutely. The EU must be thrilled to "steal" all that world-class British talent. Because, clearly, leaving a massive trading bloc, tanking your own economy, and struggling with labor shortages post-Brexit is a hallmark of superior intelligence.
Reset back to the EEC only. The EU has a youth unemployment problem, hence their approach to cooperation. Why join a bloc where many of its major countries are voting to leave.
What on earth are you talking about. Which major country is voting to leave the EU?
It must be such a wonderful place you've created in your head for yourself.
No EU country, major or otherwise is voting to leave.
Yes back into the EU NOW anyone who doesn't want to be in Europe 🇪🇺 go live in Russia 😂😂
If the stance of the different governments of England is collaboration with the fascist regime in Rael, England should not be allowed to come back into the European fold. You cannot rightly fight fascist Russia and let Nethan Yahoo’s regime of the hook.
No we will not rejoin the Eu unless we offer the crown jewels. So its not worth discussing.
Don't think "stolen property" would do the trick.
Gibraltar and the Elgin marbles
Giving the crown jewels would be a bargain. I doubt they are worth the 300 billion cost we have already wracked up by Brexit. So it is much more than "worth discussing", it is existential.
It'll be attractive to a minority of British kids from a certain background. Most already prefer OZ and NZ. If the deal goes ahead, it'll mostly be kids from the continent wanting to experience the UK and improve their english.
sorry but the EU youth mobility and Erramus Horizon Europe and traveling Musicians the EU offers them to all the countries that the EU have A trade agreement with the EU this offers was on table also to the UK during Brexit negotiations but Johnson and Frost and Brexit CO refused because some nonsense of UK sovereign and about nonsense about FOM and told the EU we will only accept if the EU grant us to including the Euro clearances and the EU financial services to remain in the as before and London remain the manager of all EU finances that be included in writing in the TCA and be legally binding but the EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier and his team told the UK that will not happen and please spare us the believe that only the EU youth want to come to the UK to enhance their English nonsense because since Brexit EU youth and school children travel to Malta and Ireland for their English enhancement which they do not need A passport or visa but only their EU ID card to go Malta and ireland which they do and enjoy themselves learning about the culture of 2 EU nations that welcomes them as A citizens of the EU , and this youth mobility arose when the labour government tried to make A deal with Spain France and Germany and those nation told Stamer he have to talk to the eU commission as this an EU wide arrangement and for individual EU countries and then the EU told they can negotiate this with the UK government Stamer wanted to find division in the EU so he could sploit them and the same he tried to do in Berlin and paris about the TCA and was told him by the French president and andthe German Chancellor that the UK needs to fully implement the WA and TCA including NIP(AKA WF) nothing can be discussed before full implementation of previous agreement Stamer and his government knows this and are not honest with UK citizens how the thing stand with the EU and there will be reset fulfil the UK fulfil their side their side of the agreement of the implementations of the WA TCA and NIP fully, greetings from EU citizen.
You are plainly unfamiliar with the polling on this, which shows that over 75% of 16-26 year old Britons support a return of Freedom of Movement, and 70% name the loss of FOM as their main reason for wanting to reverse Brexit. On surveys on where they would wish to visit during a gap year, or to work or study, Europe scores just ahead of North America, whilst Australasia scores equally with South America and just behind East Asia and South Asia,
Its no longer what you in the UK "WANT" . All decisions are up to The 27 sovereign nations of the European Union. You had it all and allowed the guys with the "posh accents" to control the poorly educated British "subjects"
I am a Brexiteer, but I have no problem with an agreement for a gap-year arrangement for young adults, so long as it is properly managed and monitored and it is just a year, after which those participating will go home. I lived and worked in another EU member state between 2008 and 2021 and I have no issues with mutual cooperation. I just want us to continue a relationship with member states as friendly neighbours with whom we trade etc - just so long as we never allow our country to fall back under the control of the hideous Brussels monster.
The usual bollocks lie
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany You are in The Fatherland? Best of luck with that. In the meantime, how about you mind you own beeswax?
@@DoggleBird Lies spread by the British about the EU are our business.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany They aren't lies. I lived and worked in an EU member state between 2009 and 2021. In any case, as we are out of the EU, it's none of your concern.
@@DoggleBird The lies you tell are well known and they're only getting more moronic. You'll end up like Trump or Boris Johnson!
you can't undo DEMOCRACY. ......you can't have it always. ...you either believe in DEMOCRACY or you don't. ...otherwise what is the point. ..........
You know that in a democracy people are allowed to change their minds and vote accordingly every few years?
Lol. Democracy is not one vote and that decision is forever and ever. The Brexiteers made a very foolish and naive mistake. So we have every right to save the UK.
Just say sorry and we might forgive you.
Maybe learn what democracy is.
I can not believe that you suggest the eu's desire for youth mobility is to provide an education opportunity for "young Brits" to experience the wonderful politics of the eu. Firstly it is agreed and understood by all that the youngest people in Britain were the greatest by age demographic that voted to remain in the eu. They do not need to be courted and interestingly they are not remotely vocal in wanting freedom of movement, they would far sooner have flats/houses available to buy or rent at the right price.
The reason for the eu's desire for a youth mobility program is not about education either, they can still get that now. The single most desperate reason is the need to find work for the high percentage of unemployed young people in the Med countries. An average 22% of 18-30's are unemployed at different times within these countries and the UK can easily absorb a few million in the hospitality/agri/logistics sectors. There is also a very, very important spin off inasmuch the young people can improve their English to a fluent standard, which improves significantly their employment opportunities when they return back to the eu. To work in any business sector nowadays fluent English has become a standard competency in most large business organisations.
Even the eu are not so stupid as to position this freedom of movement as a kind offer to educate young Brits. Cop yerselves on ffs.
Well that was a biased argument. Show me polls that show people only want flats and not FoM. That's not my experience. I see both those who want flats and FoM.
So what if the EU citizens want to learn English. It's a good a reason as any to come.
Brexiteers, always hating immigration and the EU. Too many EU citizens on here also hating Brits. They are just like Brexitees. Same tired old hate.
Not only do you not understand that a youth mobility scheme has nothing to do with free movement, your overinflated self importance also distorts reality as usual.
The UK wanted to have youth mobility programs with just some of the memberstates of the EU, aka cherry picking. It also is screaming about wanting to have closer cooperation with the EU.
The EU and its members responded by discussing an EU wide youth mobility program, to counter the cherry picking and to test the sincerity of Starmer's government in its mentioned desire. The EU also said nothing would happen until the UK finally complies by the current agreements.
All your arguments are therefore nonsense, based on the usual english fantasies that the EU needs the UK more.
@@EUidentityI went to Ireland to practice my English in the 80's and it was a good time. I prefer the Irish people because they are not thinking that they are special... We had a lot of fun in the Irish pubs 🍻....😂
@klausschumacher7126 Actually, I live in Ireland and have been on and off since the 80s. I've lived in five European countries in between . All of them think they're special. That the idea of nation states. You'll be surprised how many English are not into imperialism or think they are special.
We even have far-right nuts in Ireland now. They burned down a hotel my friend got married in because it was going to house refugees. Irish people, although they slag off Brits a lot, they are actually probably the most anglophile beneath it all. They saw all the division and strife in Northern Ireland and became sick of nationalism. They just want friendship, peace, and unity. Something some people who 'claim' to be EU citizens on here clearly haven't learned about. I think some are just trolls or preachers of the EU treaty bible, they just love negativity.
By the way, I live literally about 100 meters from the border with the UK. It looks like the Common Travel area will outlast Schengen now. The EU is falling apart because of nationalism and hatred for foreigners. Just like the UK Brexiteers.
@@EUidentity I am not being biased, and my thoughts are informed from the many nice young eu citizens working in hospitality I met in London pre Brexit.