Brexit is a ‘dirty great mess’ | Why are Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer not talking about Brexit?
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- “The public regard Brexit as a dirty great mess, a great pile of poo.”
Why is no one talking about Brexit in this election campaign?
Despite being one of the most dominant issues of British politics in recent years, Peter Mandelson says it's not coming up on the doorstep during this election campaign, while Polly Mackenzie reckons the time will come when Britain will rejoin the EU.
Daniel Finkelstein reacts to the news that the Conservative Party is withdrawing support from candidates Craig Williams and Laura Saunders in light of the election betting scandal.
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If I thought there was any possibility of us rejoining the SM and CU, let alone the EU, in the next five years I’d be furious about Labour’s position on this. As it stands, anything other than their public position would be promising more than can be delivered and helps no one. What they need to do is win the argument so that when the next election comes they can get a mandate to start making progress towards rejoining.
Could we please remember, being a MP is a job. I appreciate Tories generally don't do much, but MPs have plenty to do in their local area looking after the interests of their constituents.
I was thinking the same thing.
"It's not that easy to withdraw support from a candidate" Danny says, mere hours later Labour does just that and additionally returns his donation. But don't forget everyone, they're all the same!
News flash.... We don't want the UK back....
The English are clueless.
Who are you? Or who is this "we" you speak on behalf of?
I think that young Brits would be good members of the EU. It's a different world and we should nit belong to useless Jacob Rees mogg, and others who want slavery back
@@Woodzta i dont want the english as well so we are at least 2 so "we"
The brexit Paradox is that any govt capable of delivering brexit wouldn't. The brexit reality is that voters shrewd enough to decode brexit would have rejected it. Result - an inept/venal govt conned a majority of gullible/deluded electors. The brexit tragedy is that it will take years to recover from this 12 bore, self-inflicted wound.
I mostly agree however, not sure if delivering a 'good' brexit was possible. We must accept we made a mistake, not sugarcoat it (it wasn't delivered as N.Farage could have delivered it) and look to the future which is in colaboration with the EU. We have no levarage on the world stage, Modi simply disrespected Sunak to his face, the US trade deal is going nowhere, not sure what we have with China.
Brexit isn't the tragedy, it's the Tory failure to take all that could have been good about Brexit and turn it to our advantage.
Like what?
@@user-yb9ww6lv7j Historically, Britain was big on trade. How is making trade more difficult an advantage?
@@1983pety Yes trading with Europe is more difficult but trading with the rest of the world is easier, plus all the other advantages of not being tied to the EU. The Tories could have done so much more.
Why are Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer not talking about Brexit? Because doing so would just lose them votes from the side they offend. Reading this has saved you 40.32 minutes.
They've been told not to talk about it by their bosses. Brexit happened to protect the city from impending EU tax changes. That was the reason Cameron was planted by the old money and we had a "referendum", it's all a mirage.
No, I think the country needs peace, it needs stability. The country cannot have ministers changing every few months. The stability after 5 years would allow government to take on Brexit.
@@MrBoliao98 Not relevant to my comment but I will take it at face value. Re "country cannot have ministers changing every few months" this had nothing to do with the electoral results or with Brexit but with the personalities of the conservative party. The conservatives had a huge majority for a stable government but they squandered it. No reason to think that Labour party will be in a better position to reverse Brexit in 5 years time, nothing to do with stability. I suspect you are a Remainer looking for rationalisations.
At 30:20 Peter Mandelson nails it - there has to be cross-party agreement because it will take decades to join so there is no point starting that process until all main political parties are agreed. This is why people complaining that they won't vote Labour if Starmer doesn't promise to reverse Brexit display very little understanding of the situation. That position is naive and ill-informed.
I knew it would be decades of pain which is why I moved to Ireland in 2020 and immediately rejoined the EU.
@@alanrobertson9790 honestly, at least, I need one year of peaceful sleep, rest, and not changing ministers for a year. It is legitimately so chaotic, like the reshuffle he did a few months ago to remove Braverman, and swap James Cleverly for Cameron. We need a year of peace, at least. Goodness. Don't label everyone a remainer, people are exhausted.
A 'few days' to make the decision, Daniel Finkelstein? The story broke two weeks ago. Stop trying to defend Sunak
The Public Regard virtually all Politicians as a great pile of 💩, We'd be better with my cat in charge.
If your cat is anything like the ones I know it is over qualified.
Your cat would have to fight Larry for the top spot.
Your pm it's self come from a background of poo patels pajeet
Starmer is so weak on this. I’m scratching my head on this, it’s so such low hanging fruit to challenge the Tories and Farage on this.
Why? No need to risk an error, Sunak is sunk
“Tony Blair’s crucial reshuffle happened a year into government…”
Oh would that be when YOU entered the Cabinet, Peter? 😂
I dug out my copy of the Leave campaign leaflet and checked the question on the ballot paper and I cannot find that anyone anywhere said we were voting to leave the customs union so I am fed up with being told that somehow magically we did. If people misunderstood what they were voting for it is their fault not mine.
That statement is really crazy! What do British citizens actually know about the EU and its construction?
...that we would vote to leave the customs union...
I've seen enough advertisements about Brexit EU. They were clearly talking about leaving the EU and that means being out of everything!
You didn't understand that? I honestly can't believe it! If it's really true that British citizens didn't know about the customs union, then it's a good thing that GB is out!
Wanting everything good from the EU and not contributing anything is a crazy thing.
I don't think it was mentioned specifically but there was a lot of talk about having an 'independent trade policy', which I presume rules out a customs union so that could be construed that way. It's not something I suspect most people are too worried about, tbh (though why we would have import taxes on oranges coming into the UK isn't obvious but that's what you get with a customs union!). Tariffs on Chinese electric cars are interesting - the EU will be imposing them to protect its car industry but as we don't really have one of those now maybe we shouldn't and the consumer will benefit.
Several major figures in the Leave campaign said quite specifically that we would not be leaving the customs union pre-referendum.
@@GorgeDawes I'm sure that's the case. People said lots of things and I don't believe people really voted on the customs union one way or another. I'm sure I had never heard of it till afterwards! Should we have our trade policy determined by our competitors, though? I would need convincing on that one but it's not a deal-breaker for me.
It makes me laugh when Peter Mandelson believes that our economy will strengthen under Brexit.
I think that he has started to drink the Brexit Kool-Aid.
It's the elephant in the room and everybody knows it however it's still a hugely divisive topic and it's hardly surprising that no one wants to talk about it during an election campaign.
If Brexit was such a success the Tories and Farage would be crowing all over it, and we would be living in the sunlit uplands. it is such an easy goal to stick the boot in...
My problem with my fellow remainers is they never ever ask "What do the Europeans on the other side want?". All good and well talking about brexit but what do you want from the EU and are you willing to pay the price the EU will require of us. I say Labour has the right strategy......get the election won and preach some hard truths to the public after the election.
FOM for the masses. Not just for the rich like Farage!
Mandelson says he thinks we should "Change our economy to deal with Brexit, to allow us to thrive..." or words to that affect. Now, all those London media bubble types are far, far cleverer than me, but I would be grateful if they could tell me how a major first-world, European country with a population of 65 Million, can manufacture an economy that can thrive by NOT Exporting Anything to our nearest, richest neighbours...?
Our European neighbours have found these things called "Factories" extremely useful when it comes to GDP and incomes. As far as I'm aware, France, Spain, Germany and Italy have no plans at all to shut down all their manufacturing facilities, anytime soon....but hey, if the UK can make us all rich by selling Burgers and Insurance Policies....
Afaics, being a "major first-world, European country with a population of 65 Million" (in fact more like 68m at present and with a GDP that on nominal measure is projected to exceed $3.495tn this year; so easily Europe's 2nd largest) we AND the EU central Politbureau both aimed at concluding a de facto bilateral FTA. Thus, although regrettably our loathsome Quisling excuse for a government made no real effort to extract anywhere near the terms that would have been available, one WAS concluded and UK/EU trade last year actually still exceeded 40% of our global total. So at a rough guess, was >£700bn. Or slightly more than " NOT Exporting Anything".🙄
And ALL WITHOUT US STILL BEING HOGTIED INTO THE NASCENT FEDERALIST NIGHTMARE MANY EU STATES AND PEOPLES REMAIN DETERMINED TO RESIST.
Russia is not in the EU, is a genocidal dictatorship, is carrying out a war in Europe, threatens the West with military action and is trading with the EU - still! China is a Genocidal dictatorship that is not part of the EU and helping Russia carry out a war in Europe, and threatens the EU with economic and military action and is carrying out trade with the EU - still! The UK is trading with the EU at the same level of trade before Brexit (Not no trade), perhaps we ought to threaten it a bit more with invasion seems to be the ploy that works with the EU which will have trade reduced from 15% of the Worlds to 10% by the 2030's, at this time the UK is forecast to be the biggest economy in Europe also!?!
Yes Nations need to be resilient and therefore must have a decent industrial base. And Labour recognise this (at least to a certain extent) and, if elected, will re-introduce a UK industrial strategy, working alongside business and unions.
I'm sure our manufacturing as a % of the economy is similar to that of France or Italy. Germany is a bit of an outlier in that respect. I agree with you that we should make more things here but we do reasonably well with service exports (exporting a tv programme, or selling education for example, is as valid as something tangible). A better balance would be nice but we need a government that's interested first.
@@ianbooth3164Yes the UK is an island with an ageing population that doesn't grow enough food to feed itself, doesn't build ships and isn't yet energy independent. So it isn't quite my idea of being strategically resilient.
Brexit was unsucessful in saving tbe Tory party. It was party before country,
Brexit a big pile of pooo....
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No, the Tory party actions are their biggest down fall, as well as they failed to take advantage of Brexit.
What advantage? There are none. No one in all these years has ever presented any benefits, while the list of negatives is so long we can't see the end.@user-yb9ww6lv7j
Great and accurate sentence ! from the North East
I'm trying to remember when Times Radio was having fun with Boris Johnson's weight.
Particularly prior to an election.
Not a good look.
You would think that the Times could spell “completely “?
It's not just ministers who have a job. In ordinary work the "minister" organises the dept and the members of the dept do the work. There are so many areas of management that need to be monitored that it cold keep the whole of the parliament doing stuff.
If I was Labor, on day one, I would announce the UK will rejoin the customs union. Then watch the economy bounce back.
Only issue then is that the UK will be a rule taker than a rule maker, but at least the country won’t die.
"Only issue then is that the UK will be a rule taker than a rule maker"
Errr.....
Outside the EU we are a rule taker because to export to the EU we have to comply with EU trade standards and regulations. We cannot deviate too much from the EU standards because that would damage trade with the EU.
In any case the only deviations from EU rules so far have been to lower standards and make things worse for ordinary people.
I think the EU might just be kind enough to Starmer to have a customs union in all but name.
I’d like whatever it is you’re smoking or drinking. The ‘customs union’ is only a fantasy in England. Please do your research. It will take a decade at least. You don’t even meet the Copenhagen Criteria currently. England is doomed.
I love the arrogance in the assumption that the UK can simply decide when to rejoin the custom union.
I wonder if they could do that - it's been ruled out in the campaign but politicians are capable of anything. Farage would make hay with it for years.
So annoying that a vote can't be considered again
Brexit needs to be reversed
Good to see Starmer has already proved Danny wrong about dithering over sacking. Done immediately plus return of £100k donation.
Yep, Starmer did more in a day than Sunak has all week.
Brexit is so self inflicted it's tragic to see. To get worked up about EU so much so you damage the country economically, socially, and politically is incredibly selfish, and inaine.
On the bright-side, we won't have our laws determined by a parliament that includes the AFD, Brothers of Italy, Orban, Wilpers, Le Pen, etc. That would have been a social disaster.
If it taught me one thing, people hate immigrants more than they love their country and also they confuse the two.
@@ianbooth3164 75% of EU citizens are Christian-oriented! 50% of right-wing parties are swing voters, which means that if a right-wing party has 25-30% of votes, it can quickly lose them again!
AFD can be banned in Germany at any time, as the Constitutional Court has already examined it after the rapid, large campaign by the German citizens!
Orban is already facing strong headwinds with a new party that achieved 30% when it took office! 77% of Hungarians want to stay in the EU, so Orban will soon be gone, just like in Poland! Then Orban's corrupt dealings will come to light!
@@ianbooth3164 The UK Parliament could reject laws from the EU. We used to have representation and veto right while in the EU, not anymore, we just take it now if we want to do business with them. Brexit is a social disaster.
@@1983petyWhere have you got the idea that the UK Parliament could have rejected EU laws? That would have been a repudiation of the treaties and we would have had to leave (after being sued in the Court of Justice, of course). And as for the veto, Cameron tried that in 2011 and other 26 simply went into the next room and passed the law with an intergovernmental treaty. We were totally isolated and powerless, and our prime minister sat in the waiting room like a chastened schoolboy. That was the beginning of the end.
The Common Market was supposed to be a Single Market from the outset. In order to implement this there were countless standards that needed every country to agree on, often taking more than a decade for each standard. The 1992 "Single Market" was a different approach - whatever standard was ok in one member country was good for all e..g if you had a banking license in London then you are good for opening a branch in Milan. What Starmer and co want to do is the follow pre 1992 approach and painfully negotiate one standard at a time to align with the rest of the EU. This will take a generation. Either don't bother and hope we get a trade deal with Polynesia or go back into the Single Market.
Attlee managed giving a large majority something to do.
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I think that ‘trumpet’ is out of tune…ouch!
How does Danny not understand that the Captain of the Titantic would not like to discuss the iceberg?
Braverman, Patel, Sunak. They’ve ruined tve chances for Asian-origin politicians for decades!
Where’s the money gone!!!!
If a majority of people think that 'brexit' was a mistake then it seems somewhat undemocratic not to discuss it.
There's nothing to discuss. The only solution would be to 'rejoin' but when the likely terms are put to people then they recoil. There's nothing to be gained by revisiting the Brexit question. It's done and looking back will do no good. There's a big world out there, btw - no need for all this eurocentrism.
I have a Labour poster in my front window, I am a member of the Labour Party, but having just heard Starmer on this podcast on not ever reversing Brexit, I will probably vote Liberal.
How exactly could you possibly expect any government to be able to 'reverse Brexit'? It's not a gym membership, a tap you can turn on and off. Your comment does not demonstrate a firm grasp on reality.
Doesn't matter who you vote for - the UK fails to meet 50% of the accession criteria, so maybe ask nicely again in 2070 when you meet 100%?
Other than that: those of us 🇪🇺 who profit from Brexit would and will veto the UK. Guess why??
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
@@chriselliott726 I worked full time for YES in the 1575 referendum and part time for REMAIN in the 2016 referendum, I am hoping to live long enough offer my time to a REJOIN referendum. That is how we start to reverse Brexit. We may of course be refused. On our first applications in 1963 and 1967 De Gaulle said NON. But I want my European citizenship back.
@@probonopubls Sorry, but the idea that you will not be voting Labour because of Starmer"s position on rejoining is ludicrous. Starmer has ruled it out because it is politically toxic and, at this point, undeliverable. Fortunately, fairytale Labour politics left the building at the point Corbyn gifted the Tories another term in office.
For the record, I voted Remain and would like to see what's left of the UK rejoin. I am however not a fantasist, and accept I may well be long gone before this happens.
The focus now is to rid the country of the Tories by voting for whatever party is best placed to beat them in your particular constituency. This is not the time to be playing silly buggers with ideological hobby horses.
I hope that title is a pun!
The first time I heard a second referendum mentioned was before the first one by Boris Johnson. Much as I dislike the man, that would have made sense. The first vote put us in a much stronger position than at any time later and we could have voted on whatever was negotiated.
Why does Peter's mic keep failing?
The Dyslexic Times bites its thumbnails 😮.
Because they both worked very hard so it wont succed
Polly is so pretty 😍
John McDonnell has been exemplary with his solidarity campaigning for Ukraine, and is infinitely more intellectually capable than Corbyn ever was (Little red book nonsense aside). It would be a solid olive branch to the left to give him a decent cabinet position.
Where’s Miliband?
I know what to do with big poo of Brexit get rid of it.
And Which country in the EU has more growth in the g7 than us?
Don't agree with Brexit and voted remain but listening to the smugness of these three is painful.
The smugness and self satisfaction is HUGE, yes! but moderately amusing, though
As a remainer I'm pretty smug myself. 😏
We have plenty to be smug about at this point.
For the most part, Brexit has not touched peoples lives (although when it has, rarely for the better).Politicians don't like it, because it has now created a clear line of accountability to the failures of our governing class.
There’s about half the amount of food on the shelves as there used to be so, y’know, theres that… As for accountability you do raise an interesting point. They do still try to blame the EU sometimes but it rings hollow. The pandemic, Ukraine and, bizarrely, a few migrants in small boats seem to fill the same role these days.
I think I read a survey somewhere that more or less said that governing standards in the EU tend to revert to the mean: so well run countries like the UK went backwards but badly run countries improved. I don't think they speculated to the mechanism but I can easily believe that lack of responsibility could have something to it.
@@TimThat Those 'few migrants in small boats' amounted to over 100k in the last 3 years. They're living in hotels at public expense and will probably live at public expense for a long time. It's not an insignificant cost to the public purse. It's in the billions now (actually we take it from the foreign-aid budget so morally it's very dubious but at that cost we have little choice if we're not to cut elsewhere)
Labour old guard will be coming out of the woodwork. Blair, Mandelson, Milliband brothers.
There's money in government
Mandelson is lying then? Quelle Surprise!
@@harveybrown37 He's not a Tory, they have patented lying!
@@tomb407 Not now, the Tories have stolen it all.
Give it a rest 😴 that's democracy
And democracy didn’t stop at brexit. There are zero benefits, it was all lies and only a brextard 4kwit would refuse to admit it.
We will rejoin, it’s just a matter of time. There is no economic recovery without much closer EU alignment.
No CGI Not Even Avengers Style Costumes
The Tories opposed Brexit before the referendum. After the referendum, many of them did their level best to sabotage, obstruct or at least dilute Brexit rather than committing to fully implementing the result of their own referendum - that was the cause of the mess. Simple fact: whether you wanted Brexit or not, it is a reality and it is irreversible, thankfully. We will now either swim or sink as a non-EU country.
" many of them did their level best to sabotage, obstruct or at least dilute Brexit"
Do keep up with the news. Brexit was negotiated by ardent Brexiters and we got the hardest Brexit possible without actually blowing up the country.
There is something called "Reality" which is non-partisan and generally not very accommodating to people's fantasies. It easy to live in a world of fantasy when you don't have to actually deal with reality.
Although many Brexiters in government would love to live in La-La-Land, reality keeps them somewhat bound to planet Earth.
That's why Rees-Mogg, about as La-La-Land Brexity as you can get, admitted that it would be a bad idea for Britain to impose import checks on goods coming from the EU as we should be doing under WTO rules. He said it would damage our economy.
Now ardent Brexiters might say that was 'diluting Brexit' and he's a turncoat for admitting that reality has some sort of say in how the country is run. But there's only so far into La-La-Land Brexit the government can go before people start to notice that it's a complete and utter disaster.
Which is why the government has been delaying and delaying and delaying import checks on goods from the EU for as long as possible.
So 'diluting Brexit' means staying just this side of full on La-La-Land crazy and hoping that people don't notice that the country has become a train wreck. Which has been Tory party policy for the last few years.
Brexit was always going to be a mess. How exactly was the decision to be “fully implemented”? There was never any plan, just 17.5m different pick-n-mix visions of what it meant.
stop saying right, like, right, like please!!!!
Like the EU ?
Vote Green, SNP or PC
Talking about Brexit will benefit neither of them, especially Starmer. If Starmer raises the issue, many traditional working class voters upon which he relies, will not vote Labour. Many have already left the Labour Party for good.
Those people were led by the nose - Farage plus much of press ( Johnson et al ) blaming the EU for problems caused by the tory government for years plus the ERG inside the tories
Now Farage says it is the immigrants fault
Or to put it another way. Starmer has such a low opinion of the cognitive abilities of Brexit voters that he thinks it's impossible to present them with facts and reasoned arguments to get them to wake up from their delusions. Best let them keep their delusions and hope they'll vote Labour.
Politicians seem to believe that voting Brexit is like an incurable brain disease. A sort of leprosy of the mind. Once a Brexit voter always a Brexit voter and no amount of facts and reason can ever cure the disease.
But people are not that dim. Many are waking up from the Brexit delusion and are amenable to facts and reason. A little bit of confident leadership can draw them away from the cult of unreason.
What Brexit?
Going to miss matt chorley cant wait for his election night results show without the boreing bits
Think I'arry cat must be giddy with all,the revolving doors at num 10 with these tories poor larry
Mandelson and Blair will be pulling Starmers strings alright.
Not at all Do you have privileged info about that!
Would be nice if they did, we'd be back in the EU no time at all.
@JohnSmall314 Delusional. The 27 does not want the UK back. Have you been to the European Union lately. I have, public opinion is very much against the UK re-joining.
Well, I can’t really say too much I voted for BREXIT. Just wish to god I hadn’t ! Mind you I’ll free.y admit I’m gullible and not the sharpest knife in the box!
"The public regards Brexit as blah, blah, blah" Speak for yourself, not for me!
They mean the majority.
@@stephenhill545 Or minority, depending on where you live.
Only a total 4kwit still thinks brexit was a good idea. Thankfully most of the electorate and an increasing majority of brextards can see the truth that the remainers warned you about.
@@RF_Burns If you live in the UK then its a majority.
They speak for the majority
Can you guys spell?
Reform will be a big protest vote
Somewhere for little Englanders to go too.
Or a damp quid? Will UK voters be conned a second time by troll farms supporting whatever Mr "I-want-my-life-back" still says? Wasn't he the first to run for the hills after the brexit vote, only to return and criticize when it was safe to do so?? Isn't he the VERY man who is responsible for this big brexit mess? Admiring dictator Putin while claiming the EU is "undemocratic"? Claiming sovereignty for the UK but denying it to Ukraine? I guess we'll know soon.
And by the next election the Tory sheep will have gone blind yet again and vote as usual.
Problem is they don't know what they're protesting against. Protest against "The establishment", as if Coutts banking, aristocrat smooching, exclusive London clubbing, rich Nigel Farage is 'anti-establishment'
And protest votes always go so well.....
Same old Nay sayers.
Not a great political insight, but relevant nevertheless......my reflection in the back of a spoon looks just like Danny F.
Brexit a big pile of poo...
😁😂🤣👍.
Sooner Brexit is scrapped the better .We were andstill would be so better off in the EU . The EU isnt perfect ,but you can only change from within .
The EU is better, more Democratic and superior then the UK will ever be. What are you on about .
does it still hurt 😂
More than ever, hence the brexiters' headache.
I intend to!
Yes. That's why the UK in ONLY worlds 4th largest exporter of goods and services; ahead of France and Germany; what a train wreck.
Debunked across the board. Read more.
"That's why the UK in ONLY worlds 4th largest exporter of goods and services"
Err no, check the recent Sky news analysis of this claim. A journalist doing some actual research!!!!. Search for "Sunak claims 'Brexit Britain' became world's fourth biggest exporter - is he right?"
It turns out that if we exclude gold exports we're the 6th largest exporter of goods and services.
Excluding gold exports the UK has been going down the rankings since Brexit. The reason for the gold exports is that a lot of gold is stored in London, normally buyers leave it in vaults in London when they buy it from sellers who have it in vaults in London. But recently the physical gold has been moved out of the country. Hence the rise in our exports.
Obvious question, why are people moving physical gold out of the country? Moving gold around and storing it safely is a big palavar which is why it's mostly left in vaults in London while the ownership just changes hands.
What wasn't mentioned in the programme on Sky News was that the biggest buyer of gold is China. They're selling off their holdings of US Treasuries, buying gold and physically moving it to China because they expect to be shut out of the global financial markets when they invade Taiwan.
From China's point of view the future value of their US Treasuries is zero. It looks like they're planning to use physical gold to trade once they're shut out of the global banking system after invading Taiwan.
The other big export is 'financial services' which means money laundering and tax evasion for kleptocrats, oligarchs and very rich people who want to hide their money.
So a very large fraction of our 'exports' are helping China prepare to invade Taiwan, and helping rich criminals hide their money. Great way to run a country!
Of course none of it is any benefit to ordinary people which is why the country is a train wreck.
Someone didn't watch that Sky news video that explained that lie. Basically a lie. And it make sense as no one got anything British in their homes.
@@Just_another_Euro_dude Well, that was coherent.🙃. Still so many mincing remainers.
@@sirrodneyffing1 Yes it was. Stop LYING on UA-cam. Goodbye.
Enough of these remoaners! 😡
Jessus
There are. The leavers are dropping like flies.
I understand James...you're Deeply, Deeply ashamed and embarrassed and can't face the fact you betrayed your country and the mess the UK is in, is not down to those poor sods in Dinghies, but all down to you.... must be hard to live with the guilt, I imagine.
@@swanvictor887 👍👍👍👍👍
@@swanvictor887It’s true. It’s about time Brexit was talked of in those terms, betrayal, treason and treachery. The words we use are important and will help people to see it for what it is.
Trash talkers
BREXIT BREXIT BREXIT period
Like a load of kids im the playground its reform for me
The real disaster was ever getting involved with the EU in the first place. Churchill and De Gaulle knew this but as soon as both were dead Liar Heath was on the case and we eneded up in. His lies came home to roost in the end and now we are out. Just 3.5 years after leaving we are doing well-ish, but a lot more work needs to be done. The behaviour of the EU towards us both during and since our membership underlines the fact that we did the ritght thing!
Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and once again the Sick man of Europe will return.
Glad you are happy. The EU is now too.
If I was Labor, on day one, I would announce the UK will rejoin the customs union. Then watch the economy bounce back.
Only issue then is that the UK will be a rule taker than a rule maker, but at least the country won’t die.
You just can’t join. Do your research and enjoy the next 35 years alone. Until the English mindset changes, the EU does not want you back.