We need to talk about Brexit | FT Film
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- The UK's 2016 vote to leave the EU was the most dramatic political and economic decision for generations. But as the country prepares for a general election, it is no longer on the political agenda. This film examines why no political party wants to talk about it, why Brexit remains the elephant in the room for British business and how it could actually work better
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00:00 Introduction
01:02 We need to talk about Brexit
04:05 Farming and manufacturing
07:58 Taking back control?
11:01 Brexit priorities
13:43 Movement of people
15:45 Renegotiation?
17:39 The political discourse
19:38 The future
25:40 What the political silence means for democracy
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People don't want to talk about Brexit, because they don't want to face the responsibility for their own actions.
Exactly! That's why the're al saying that they were "Fooled" In other words, "Don't blame me, they did the thinking for me ' .Any idiot could see this happen,close borders, you kill trade.
I voted Brexit the ft is a remain paper ,and problem is the political class have wasted are chance of getting a good deal with the eu ,I’m quite happy to take responsibility as I thought we would lose 10 % of are gdp
There's also the fear of splitting the country in two all over again, and for no benefit to anyone at this stage. Reversing Brexit is currently completely out of the question. It will take mass unemployment, famine and a peasant uprising in the red wall seats to get it back on the agenda again.
@@kieran777 in English please?
You mean Starmer doing all he could to break the foundations of Democracy by trying to nullify the outcome?
I always admire British politicians' ability to talk bulshit in such an incredibly stylish way..
There should be a separate category at the Oscars
😂😂
@@ninadiamant8937 The Oscars are for actual actors, not mere delusional dreamers.
haha, well said
Yes like any other country's politicians don't do exactly the same.
As a Brit living in the EU, I can guarantee you that this is not a debate at all in the EU. Britain has left the EU and that is it. We will continue to develop as a trading block. Whatever Britain decides to do is up to them but frankly of minor interest to the EU. Best of luck but it does not look like it is going well.
Your comment reminds me that not everyone from the UK is mug.
@@henkmagnetic3103 Even in 2016 it was only barely 50%. Much of those have now woken up.
Or have fallen asleep... permanently @@mirfjc
Dear God! We bit of our nose to spite our face and shot ourselves in the foot at the same time ... ! Go Brittania ☹️
The only time I hear it is when im doing complicated VISA stuff each year, and its always the same topics from the local lawyers/accountants... "urgh, why did Britain do that"
Canadian here I think Brexit is the best example of a country shooting itself in the foot there is, why would anyone deliberately put barriers up with their largest trading partner, especially if you are the junior partner...
The UK has surpassed France and Germany in terms of GDP growth since 2019.This is far left channel who won't accept a democratic vote.
You should probably worry about the tyranny at home.
In the feet, both.
@@sirianofmorley dumb reply. original point was valid regardless of anything else.
@@mirfjc why label your reply as dumb? It's just an opinion like the rest of UA-cam's comments. Have a good day.
Britain: Leaves free trade zone
Also Britain: complains about not being able to trade freely
There's a free trade deal I'm case you didn't know.
Except that "free trade" comes with a hefty price tag in loss of sovereign control, your own courts and institutions bow to EU laws no one voted for and your own fishing grounds are a common resource.
The EU became far more than a trading block that it set out. Should have stayed just as a free trade zone…
Why lol @@bw9927
@bw9927 to compete with China, USA and India you need to
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"
You refer to people that believe some of these quoted stats in the video of course. 4% GDP is a fantasy.
It's also ( unfortunately) easier to criticise people, than get involved and help fix the problems.
@@peterclareburt4594 Are you saying we should help the people who knowingly created problems fix them?
@@peterclareburt4594 the obvious 'fix' is to have closer alignment and rejoin some of the mechanisms we left. If one makes a mistake then it is only sensible to attempt to reverse the damage as much as possible.
It's a bit ironic that Remainers who never wanted this mess have to provide the solutions. The son who gets his girlfriend pregnant and now wants mum & dad to 'fix' things....we all know grandparents will be left holding the baby....and it looks disturbing like Boris!!
@@peterclareburt4594 I'd like to see successful examples of that too ;)
as an American it's reassuring to know we're not the only country with tone deaf politicians who don't give a damn what they break.
And sadly our version of the MAGA cult followers.
Apple does not fall far from the tree
Like father like son.
A Scottish friend joked shortly after the referendum that it reminded him of a situation when someone who had just jumped out of a plane starts looking for a parachute. At that time he was not yet aware that it was rather gallows humor because, unfortunately, there is no parachute and there never was. Greetings from Poland
Gallows humour? Yep, that’s the very dark nature of Scottish humour - it’s only really funny if it’s tragic - he knew very well there was no parachute.
100 m above the ground - about Brexit: "I'm feeling more free now and have zero negative impacts of Brexit".
😂 Pozdrawiam z Niemcy. ✌️
🇩🇪❤️🇵🇱🇺🇦🇪🇺
Us Scots seem to have a habit of being Governed by the unelected though. We were replaced by sheep a long time ago
Hello Poland. Being in the EU might suit a small country like Poland that has only been a democracy for a few decades and who are a massive net beneficiary of EU funds. However the UK is a democracy dating back several hundreds of years and which hasn't been invaded in a thousand. Also within the EU UK taxpayer's were forced to hand over their hard earned money to be spend in countries like yours whilst their own communities were starved of funds. Britain made huge sacrifices in WW2 in defence of Europe, a little more humility and appreciation would be nice.
@@nkem-2194 all EU countries have been flooded with Muslims. Its all part of the plan to weaken the individual countries so it is easier to take away freedoms. Poland is holiding out admirably but this won't last. The EU will force you to take millions of third-world Muslims just like all other EU members have from the UK, to Ireland, to France and Sweden. Plus as Poland gets wealthier you will eventually become a net contributor and see your tax money going to fund Albania and Moldova.
My favorite summary of Brexit comes from another FT video: 'Brexit is the first time in history a country decided to impose sanctions on itself.'
😂😂😂
Yes, Brexit is a self-imposed apartheid.
sanctions in exchange for sovreingty you could argue. Im sure other countries have voted for indy before thats made them poorer
I bet the person you wrote that doesn't have to experience with issues caused by the freedom of workers brining large amounts of cheap labour in the country
That is utter nonsense. There are no sanctions whatever.
Who knew that a tiny island with limited resources would suffer from leaving a massive trade bloc with massive resources?
Of course we’re a tiny island and that’s it….
So happy we voted to leave
yep, a tiny island in the atlantic ocean with such a big ego that it thinks it's still the empire it was a hundred years back.@@eddiecalderone
@@eddiecalderone all due respect, the days of the Empire are long gone. So yeah small island off the coast of Mainland Europe.
In fairness, it's a pretty big island. The 9th biggest on the planet.
Of course, none of that means Brexit was a smart idea.
The naievety to think the UK is similarly entitled to deals alike Switzerland and Norway is incredible. Switzerland has a unique location and Norway has Unique resources. The UK has hardly anything to offer to the EU, especially since and because they stepped out.
But they are special 😮
@@marleneMS not in terms of export, agriculture, unique knowledge or particular industrial speciality. They are average on all fields. The only thing making them interesting was language, tax benefits and weak employee-protection laws, but Ireland has all of the above and are still EU. Mwamp mwamp.
They can offer their English Exceptionalism and their bullshitting.
As a Swiss German married to a Welshman, I can tell you that we pay an astronomical ransom to gain access to the „common market“. We voted NO on refugees from third-world countries, NO on asylum seekers from Africa and the Middle East and NO on joining the EU thrice in the last fifty years, and the response was that (in order to remain in the WTO and UN) each town/community has to pay an amount into the UNHCR fund, which we gladly do, to keep the crime rates at a low. Also, we import a lot of fire arms from Germany, France and other EU countries, because we are the most armed nation on Earth after the US. There are more guns in Switzerland per household, than in Texas. That’s because all men at age 18 have to undergo a military training and get to keep their gear and equipment at home (in case of an invasion).
So, in order to stay „IN“, we agreed to be blackmailed. But, with buying stuff from the „common market“, we are also buying our right to chose whom to let in and who has to stay out of our little Alpine paradise.
If we were to join the EU, our living standard would drop like a brick wall into the abyss of a socialist welfare state. Germans are going the other way, giving everyone low-paid jobs, undercutting even the education sector. Something unthinkable in Switzerland. We‘re never going to tell a teacher that they are fired during summer holidays, so that for two months we save money on their wages. And issuing them a new contract come September. Something that has become a normality in places like Berlin, Hamburg and Cologne. The EU is a heaven for the uneducated, unemployable and lazy. Switzerland is a heaven for those with a university degree and ambition.
@@Sir_TypesalotI’m Swiss-German too. Never felt blackmailed. I’m all for our middle way, and the majority has voted with me several times.
From my Danish arm chair I think the two party systems of UK and US are part of the political malfunction. The leadership of the two parties do populism and spin in opposition of the other party rather than setting out the line of the country and discuss the real problems of the country.
yeah at least in the US it made that way so that nothing gets in the way of big bissenis and it be working for to dam long
@@asddsa28 It's been "working" in the UK for even longer (by quite a long way), but the issue is much deeper. It's about the connection between voter decision making and the dissemination of information. Both BREXIT and the MAGA cult are related to significant misinformation systems intentionally at work. 2 party, multi party, written constitution, etc. etc. are all deck-chair rearrangement. In terms of the importance (or not) of features of government, the fact that US and UK do so much organically in lock step (Thatcher/Regan, Clinton/Blair, BREXIT/MAGA) is telling you that structural differences between the systems are of negligible importance. Also, UK strictly is NOT 2 party by design, it simply drives itself to that solution by voter choice (Tory/Whig, Conservative/Liberal, Conservative/Labour). So even that is not important. More significant coupling between monied interests and the crafting of information available to voters is at play.
As seen from my own DK lazy chair, our system isn’t much better. Perhaps it was, but the current gov is an abomination, and the Parliament is falling to pieces.
Look at the US. its the same. More-Party-Systems may have more chaos, but at least you can choose. In germany you can join like 250 different parties and the vote-list got longer and longer every year.
@@MrMaxEdelstahl maybe because voters are way to easy to manipulate in slightly hard times?
27 minutes of people asking for things they used to have when they were in the EU. Cool.
Weird disgusting comments. Brexit was never implemented
Yup, and then you have all these imperial nostalgists with wool on their eyes, still dreaming of the days when Britain could bully, abuse, and plunder half the world with impunity... really pathetic and funny the blindness of these people.
So what's your point?
@@adamdickinson2894not sure what the point is, but the schaudenfreude is ✋😔👌
@@adamdickinson2894That it's hilarious.
As a European I have to thank our brit brothers. Thanks to you now it's so clear to everyone in Europe how stupid is the idea of leaving the European Union that our politicians stopped talking about it. Thanks a lot, really. You took a bullet for all of us.
Europe is not the creation of the Treaty of Rome.
Nor is the European idea the property of any group or institution.
We British are as much heirs to the legacy of European culture as any other nation. Our links to the rest of Europe, the continent of Europe, have been the dominant factor in our history.
@@eddiecalderoneUK is still Europe but decided not walk beside the European countries anymore
@@eddiecalderone please, when you refer to Europe as "the Continent", it really shows that you have pushed away the idea of a european identity as a nation.
@@CoralWatchesI have to agree here. The British, with the English being the worst offender by far, have always held a certain view of exceptionalism. By jingo, hurray Britannia and all that.
Talking about 'the continent' as if it were a different entity has always irked me, but it didn't really click that the English still pine after their long-lost empire and global relevance this much ... until Brexit.
Glad all this nonsense has had a positive impact somewhere.
All I hear in this video are brits trying to get the most concessions out of the EU bloc, with nothing in return. Mutual recognition agreements, reciprocal deals, etc... The EU are the bigger partner, not the UK. Baffling to me that they think they have a member to swing!
It's actually funny to think all along this video: hahaha f you!
And that's why they had to go. The UK was a liability to the EU. Now we just need to get rid of Hungary.
I'm half-British, half-French. There's a sea that separates France from England. In France that sea is known as La Manche (sleeve). But in England it's called the English Channel. And that explains why Brexit happened.
I agree with the sentiment (German-American here), in German we say Ärmelkanal (literally "Sleeve-channel"). I believe Bretons call it the Breton Sea though, so it's not just the English that like to claim stuff for themselves.
@@paulstein8854 Well, the Bretons used to be Britons. They moved across the English WaterWall from the 3rd to the 9th century.
@@paulstein8854
Well, we ALL know what Germans like to "claim for themselves". 😂
Everything??
Reminds me of that time when Boris Johnson said that there was no border between Scotland and England and then when he was ciritcising Scotland he said "North of the border". People like to change things when it suits them.
American here. Don't feel so bad. All you did was leave a free trade zone and destroy your country's economy for the forseeable future. We elected Donald Trump.
Apart from, that the EU27 are not a "free trade zone" only, but a = rule based organisation/union of independent and souvereign countries with their democratic elected Parliament (with PR) and its MEPs working on behalf of the democratic elected EU27 member states Gvts and their 450ish million citizens with its SM/EEA included to benefit its 450ish million citizens and its member states.
The EUs SM/EEA is there, to make sure, that EVERY EU citizen can live, trade, work, travel as in the own country !!
Greetings from the EU27 🖐
N mostly you guys will re-elect him once again according to the poll.
Importing millions destroyed the economy.
UK 2016: Hey let's destroy our economy for no reason
USA 2016: Hold my beer bruh
@@saba1030Fun fact they exited the EU after a letter from UK's PM based on the referendum, but as a consequence exited also the free trade zone it encompasses understanding that even the Leavers zealots said that their plan was to remain under the same trade agreement... But apparently chanting "Brexit means Brexit" is enough to exit a free trade zone as well as other programs such as Erasmus, Galileo or the research fund 🎉 Fair enough from unellected people I guess ... Viva el 1922 comitee 🥂
2016: Europe "This is a bad idea"
2024: UK "That was a bad idea"
2016: UK: "We want to cherry-pick."
2024: UK: "We want to cherry-pick."
Eurozone 24: "we are in the sh1t"
@@Jj-ff9vq Lol. Would be new that we 🇪🇺 are.
@@EllieD.Violet que?
@@hypnotechno We in the eurozone are not in the poo. I happen to live there.
I think that the woman having her own business failing because of Brexit and saying that would seriously consider not voting for Brexit if it happens again summarizes how much this discussion is an identity and emotional discussion, probably right now dipped in a bit of shame and your brain doing all the mental gymnastics to find justification for voting for the leave. Even in front of a complete failure of a stupid idea, people still want to say that it could work.
Yes, this is like blowing. How deluded.
I own a small, specialst business in the UK serving the aviation sector. It is now completely impossible to do business in the EU, as - amongst other "non-tariff barriers" - the mechanisms for getting temporary work visas is virtually insurmountable. We have EU counterparts who would love to subcontract work to us, but we cannot conduct "any economic activity" there in person (which is the only way to deliver our services).
Speaking as someone who was conned into voting to Leave, I can only apologise to others in the same situation for my naivety. I'm so, so sorry... 😥🔫
How could you not see this coming? If all the agreements fall out of place with Brexit, how would it make it easier for you to work with other companies in the EU? Even if a deal comes into place, it will take at least a decade until it is running.
@@dimiathan In 2016, I didn't own the business, and was focused on different problems. And yes, I fell for the lies, for which I'm eternally regretful.
calling out blox.
i worked at a subsidiary of magellan aerospace, in uk supplying parts for airbus.
some parts were made in india.
much airbus parts are made in the UK.
How can you possibly have a business that relies heavily on trade with the EU and not see this coming? Some voters really are like cockroaches.
@@antonio3220 Perhaps if you'd taken the time to read the response to a previous identical question, you'd have seen that in 2016 I didn't own the business, and was focused on different problems.
Some commentators on here really are like cockroaches...
A friend (not in the UK) once asked me how Brexit had changed my life.
I told him that it had brought me the realisation that every second person I passed on the street was likely an idiot.
every third, according to the vote results. (not disagreeing in general, just pointing out details)
Me too. Of course voters have been electing Tory governments for ages so I didn't have any illusions about the British public. But elections are complicated involving many issues and people vote for different reasons. Whereas Brexit was so simple and stark.
In the entire referendum campaign, not a single good reason was advanced for Brexit. Not one. Only a complete idiot would have voted for it, so that must be what half the people are.
It was like uncovering the fact that half of the people you meet are secretly lizard people or something. It was shocking and it still is. How can we put any faith in democracy anymore?
@@kensaiix that very much depends on the region he lives in and how they voted over there (if you are going to be pedantic about it, lets just go a bit further then.)
The 50% who voted to leave, probably think your an idiot wanting to stay in the EU. If you ain't happy, you are free to leave the UK.
That's how precisely you and those like you, lost the argument.
Brexit was so successful nobody wants to get credit for it 😂
The UK doesn't realize they have little to no power anymore. They're a dwindling nation with little future.
That was pretty good. 😆
It's very telling, as well.
I really couldn't decide at the time. I saw the bad side of remaining, and the bad side of leaving, but the "facts" blurted out by the media and campaigns (pro and contra) were so confusing as to make most seem untrustworthy.
People should be held accountable for lying to the public. This is our future.
If we never rejoin the EU, then we need to make a serious plan on how to make it work (which never existed by the look of it).
Otherwise, we should rejoin.
I'm very sad about how the UK is looking, now and I hope it gets better, but I suspect that even with a good plan, it'll take at least 7-10 years before things start improving. It'll get a lot worse before that.
@@dandare1001
"Otherwise, we should rejoin"?
Should you really?
The arrogance and entitlement in this claim is truly awesome.
Back in reality, there is NO such thing as "...rejoin."
The UK CANNOT revert to the status quo ante.
The UK's unique, ad uniquely privileged, semi-detached, membership, replete with rebates, opt-outs, and all-round special treatment. evaporated into thither the moment the referendum test was announced.
EU law has NO legal mechanism whereby an ex-member state can "...rejoin." There is NO pressure from EU members to crate any such mechanism either....
The UK is perfectly entitled to submit its FOURTH membership application any time it feels like it.
And it is probable that the European Commission might consider opening the envelope containing that FOURTH membership application in about 35-50 years.
Until then, the UK needs to concentrate on meeting the Copenhagen Criteria, which are the rock bottom basic requirements for consideration as an applicant. Currently, th UK does not even meet half of them.
A future UK membership will mean accepting a legally binding commitment to joining both the euro(€) and Schengen, as well as a proportional electoral election system.
Ultimately, the decision as to ANY future UK membership rests with the EU, and its member states. The UK has NO decision-making power about it. It only takes one member state to veto.
Mind you, the question is moot, if only because the UK itself is utterly unlikely to survive another ten years....
Britain leaves EU to gain control, then works to regain the same alignment it had while in EU... If this isn't an example of British pompous pride, then I don't know what is.
Daaaaamn, bruv...
It is so hilarious that (virtually) every time someone in this video says something like "What we would like to see now" (in regards to future agreements) it is followed something they HAD as part of the EU.
Maybe because I'm eastern European, but I am utterly baffled how people are unable to state direct facts and just beat around the bush.
People hate to admit they were wrong.
It's a British thing, people here seem for the most part to be physically incapable of being direct and blunt - you're supposed to be wooly and drop hints rather than tell what you think, or you're considered rude. Bleeds into public discourse as well. Cultural thing, takes getting used to.
Most of the solutions just sound like basically being an EU member without being one, so why leave in the first place if you want all the things back you lost.
Because ...Cakeism is a thing in the UK, entitlement & a superiority complex will do that every time.
Yes, but Empire 2.0. Would you believe that that's what they were calling it in Whitehall ? A modern day 21st century new recreation of the 18th or 19th century British Empire, version 2.0
What planet do they live on ?
They are out and out anti Brexit. They have no suggestion for a non EU membership future - yet there is one.
@@AndriyValdensius-wi8gwthe planet they feel they've molded because majority of the world knows some English. I can't stand that fact , but it seems to be a possible source of their elitism
@@AndriyValdensius-wi8gw No I wouldn't believe it because its not true.
What planet do you live on to believe this rubbish?
"I export to the EU but I voted Brexit, and now I complain that everything's harder".
OK...... 😳And what did you think exactly was going happen? If you believed anything that came out of a clown suspended on a trapeze over the Thames, I am not sorry for you.
you forgot, he is a special Brit....
they are so special....but nobody knows exactly what this special is?
Exactly. Have no sympathy for those idiots who voted to leave. Their stupidity has cost the nation for many generations to come. And worst of all, all these problems we are seeing/facing today as a result of brexit are nothing new. They had been mentioned and warned in 2016
Your name is Boris J. Impostor!
We have the same level of cognitive dissonance here in the US with Trump voters. When I compare the two groups, both are latent or openly racists.
@@stevewise1656 lowest common denominator wins
The funny thing about letting Singapore as an example is that Singapore itself is a part of ASEAN, a big market consisting many SEA countries. In addition, it also located in a very strategic part of SEA where major trading routes are used by many cargos and flights. A busy port and prestigious airports helped to build their economy without depending much to other countries.
We have Canada for oil. We can sell lamb to Canada. Or into the USA. Swire hotels could now sell lamb chops. Or sell to India. We should see how we could use or make use of these companies for now. So....
@@MeiinUK Sounds very 21st century.
@@MeiinUK yeah go look for opportunities in the other side of the planet when the biggest trading block in the world is right in your doorstep 60km away in the same continent.
@@dimiathan but it isnt the biggest trading bloc, and no other "trading bloc" allows unfettered immigration from its trading partners countries.
name just one that does.
i will wait here for your answer.
27:23 "We don't want to discuss the biggest issues facing the country in the year of an election.
That's pretty disturbing if you want to believe in democracy."
You wanted BREXIT, you got BREXIT. The EU nations remember all the insincerity and tricks the UK tried to pull while leaving.
Learn to live with the result of your wishes. There will be no special favors.
You wanted out, you are out.
The British elites have won, they got rid of the limiting EU framework. The British people have lost on many different levels.
The Brexiteers got what they deserve, I am feeling sorry for the remainers.
But not any of the EU citizens living in the UK who had their lives turned upside down.
Only goes to further prove brexit was solely based on hatred.
Amidst the misery and destruction of her company because of Brexit, madame dinosaur company in the documentary, still has the gall to say that she would CONSIDER voting to remain if she had another chance. Well, just stay where you are, enjoy the misery and we DON'T WANT your highness back.
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@@marcvangastel2157 all they care about is economics.
Of course we wanted out and stay out. Can you even name the five presidents of the EU? Who are the EU courts to overrule GB courts?! LOL no one is coming back to the EU.
could't agree more
The rest of the world see this exactly as it is: PURE HUBRIS.
This video? I agree. impact of Brexit on the UK's economy has been largely benign, indeed it has grown faster than many of its peers post 2016.
Indeed. A jingoistic folly of a country in decline with an overinflated sense of self.
Largely benign.....you must live as a hermit when it comes to trade and economics!😂
@@ChristopherPhillips You ridiculous traitor.
@@mathelga Oh really - explain why the UK's GDP cumulatively is near the top of EU nations for growth post 2016.
And honestly you lot in the comments fail to use any facts - why? (I know why).
Belgian here, at the time of the Brexit, I understand your choice- everyone is free to choose his own path- but we didn't want you to leave.
Since decades, we're allies and friends and this will never change. I'm not here to blame you, I just found it sad.
As we say in my country : unity makes strenght. We 're stronger together.
I agree that EU is not perfect - laws, politicians who are too 'bureaucratics',...- but this is not so bad.
Hope you will get better and just knows that the door for us is and will be always open for you.
Much love and support from 🇧🇪❤️.
Peace 🤞!
"no country has friends, just interests"
Charles De Gaulle (plagiarized)
Completely agree. I just felt sad that they were leaving. We were really stronger together.
Watching this on the eastern border of the North Sea, it's just sad to see how the UK cannot get Brexit done. For your information: we, the EU, moved on. Good luck.
It baffles me that people in the UK still talk about getting better trade terms with the EU. As far as the EU is concerned the trade deal with the UK is done and there is zero incentive to reopen it anytime in the next decade at least.
And I wa surprised that noone called out the people "we want the vat rules of Norway/Switzerland to work for the UK" (paraphrasing) when Norway and Switzerland clearly have a closer association status with the EU.
They still seem to think they can get the same treatment without having to give the same amount back.
Edit: the 4th gen farmer is a smart cookie. He gets it.
Why does it baffle you that people suffering from the Brexit trade deal talk about it being reopened? If anything, I think Brits should talk about it more. And I think the EU would be willing to talk if London is willing to give up some of its red lines like free movement of people and European Court of Justice jurisdiction.
@lucast2212 cause it's too late! Ohh they can talk all they want about it! But it won't change anything ... the EU has to set an example to all EU member states with BREXIT. The alternative is a slippery slope indeed.
LOL Brexit is the fruit of the UK democracy that is forced by the UK and USA to be used in the world. LOL How come a failure products need to be implemented worldwide?
@@kellyaslan3657 Why? The UK set that example years ago. EU has do do exactly nothing.
"We have a trade deal with Australia".
"And were you able to trade with Australia before?"
"Um... yes".
that model maker talking about how the trade deal was basically useless because they were losing money sending the damn thing over was so funny.
and then the farmer came in voicing out his worries for how the trade deal would undercut their business as imports from NZ and Australia come into the UK.
Brexiters only wanted to leave because of immigration issues. Imagine being so stupid as to not think of the other consequences. that's single-issue voters for you.
And their main goal, to stop uncontrolled immigration, didn't even work. looool.
No - the EU put blocks on trading with any other country if the same good could be bought from an EU country. Shows how little remoaners understood about the EU and who really runs it.
yes.. with a massive tarif that penalised uk natural trading partners as part of the commonwealth. in 1972, uk exported 87% of cars to australia.
that all dissapeared in the E.C and instead the uk had to import european cars.
It would have been nice to have the grown-up sensible conversation before the Brexit was voted on.
eight years too late
'Grown up conversation?' says Borris, as he throws all his toys out of the cot
That suggests a sufficient level of maturity and acuity in the first place.
we did.
for nearly 2 years.
from every angle.
project fear was running in overdrive..
the sky didnt fall in either.
UK need to address the current situation with BREXIT............... Boris , Nigel and David C. NEED TO BE MADE ACCOUNTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still makes me angry that I shared an island with 17.4 people incapable of getting the simplest multiple choice question in history correct.
a 7 year whine 😂
Such arrogance. Be angry
Must be a very small island.
@@ChristopherPhillips - Brexit people moaned about the EU for decades, get over yourself.
@@ChristopherPhillips There a lot to whine about.
Scottish born French citizen here. Brexit stopped being a "thing" here about two years ago. We've got over it and there is no will or wish to have you back. The chance of all 27 member states to have you back is "zero". Rejoining is not your choice and never can be. The fact that the UK has more than doubled your National Debt makes you too big a drain on the ration strength. Enjoy your sovereignty.
I, a German here, would have them back. But only with some clear sign of committment. So no rebates and a plan to ditch the Pound for the Euro. And the british populace should vote for this in a referendum.
Same from Italy. UK will not be welcomed back. At best, Scotland will.
@@philipkoene5345 can we get them to drive on the right side too while we're at it?
@@philipkoene5345I would agree… but dropping the £, would be a difficult ask even in a vote, just like the NOK & CHF. Perhaps the added nuke umbrella as part of the deal might produce a win win, not perfect, but both sides get something. By vote for sure, and the last time, as the original showed it is easy to sway any country’s population, particularly if most have had no education on how the eu works, but rely on right wing tabloids that push out simple slogans. Four legs good… Two legs bad… baaaaa baaaaa! Get Brexit done…..baaaa baaa sheep!
Destroying Erasmus and similar benefits as a result of Brexit wrecked a whole generation.
I do believe they should 100% be allowed to rejoin, but only through a referendum, so that it is a legitimate thing, voted by the populace. The UK is a European nation, a civilized one that fundamentally adheres to the same principles and qualities as most European states. I have worked there for 6 years, it is by far the best country to work in, to drive also, I get it why they drive on the left side of the road, it is in my opinion better and safer somehow and there are some numbers behind this as well, but hey ho. And the pound is very good, as the Euro will destroy Europe most likely as it has done with Italy, Spain already. The strength of Europe comes from co-operation despite the differences and cherishing the individuality of every state, as they have evolved through the ages. The strength of Europe does not come from the EURO or from driving on the right lane of the roads. Although I would kindly ask Britain to remove the Imperial Metric System which is not only irelevant but antiquated and hard to use compared with the metric. I know when I was there last year there was a big fuss about re introducing units such as "pints" and all sorts of things from the past.
😂 😂 😂 I thought Brexit was going to get rid of all this red tape 😂😂😂
Matthew Elliot wins the gaslighter of the video award.
it sounds like a lot of fun, but what will we Europeans get? I am from the Netherlands and nothing got more expensive without GB and we lost the biggest whiner in the EU!! We got a lot of medical personnel from East-Europe halving our waiting lists, The Amsterdam is filled with fancy Banking buildings (people working there made housing there unpayable so there are negatives). What is a positive for us to let GB in our economic block??
As someone fiercely pro-EU, I'm genuinely glad brexit happened. It proved that even a former power has no chance to stand alone in this world. It shut up every far-right anti-EU rhetoric. I just feel bad for the UK's youth who will suffer for their elders hubris and pride.
Don’t be too much for the millennials there they massively snubbed the referendum. They’ll have to explain their younger siblings and kids why they can’t go on Erasmus or move to Spain as easily as before.
No one else wanting to leave like the uk might be the best thing for Europe since 1945
@@hamzapetridis206yeah it’s the younger people fault. Really?!
Unfortunately it didn't shut them up. When you're not costrained by honesty or truth you can divert blame, finger point, gaslight and pile on more false promises all day and night.
Australia and Japan are doing just fine and I'm pretty sure New Zealand is doing better than most EU countries. I never got these "an old power can't stand alone" and so on. Pro-EU people use the same empty arguments as Brexiters did, just the other way around.
The "Swiss Model" is not going to happen and it will never happen again. It is a nightmare of more than a hundred individual treaties and the EU has ruled that out categorically.
The "Norway Model" will not happen either because that means joining EFTA and the EEA - and that will not happen because Norway has publicy stated that they will veto the UK joining. Not to mention that the Brexiteers will never accept that either because it means following EU rules with no voice at the table. Norwegian politicians have said for years that this model works for Norway because it suits Norway's needs but it wouldn't work for the UK at all.
As for all the commentators in the video - stop gaslighting the UK population. Start informing them about reality. It is NOT up to the UK to cherrypick anything like you keep on suggesting. It's the EU that makes the rules and the UK can either follow the rules and have easy trade or they diverge and have barriers, it's as simple as that. If you want to export you always have to follow the rules of the market you want to export to - your own rules are irrelevant for export.
Agreed on this. Best course of action now is to align as close as possible with the EU and follow their rules. We don't have a say any longer.
The alternative is deregulation/low taxes, which will be great for the wealthy and powerful, but not so great for the average citizen.
Where on earth are they gaslighting the population in this video? Where in this video was the Norway model or Swiss model posited as workable solutions to aspirations to get back into the EU in some form? Give me a timestamp.
"Within the bounds of remaining outside the single market and remaining outside the customs Union, there's only so far changes can go. Frankly, it amounts to fiddling with the fringes of the agreement that we currently have.
"One of the major frustrations within the EU is this idea of Britain cherrypicking all of the benefits of the EU".
Did we watch the same video?
@@FreQ135 best course of action is to rejoin the European Union on the same terms as everyone else
@@ecaeas4439 That's what some people said, but you obviously didn't listen to the others.
@@HH-hd7nd No it wasn't. I've watched this entire video. You're responding to an argument that wasn't made, and only because of how common it pops up in circles that discuss rejoining the EU, you were vindicated by people agreeing simply on the basis that this is what they would expect would be said by someone from the Uk, because apparently we're all exceptionalists and entitled. Give me a timestamp in the video for someone saying this exactly, please.
The EU is much more united and calm since the UK left it. Please don't think about going back. You will only bring the old problems back with you.
Greetings from the EU
Another way of looking at it is several country's were talking about leaving. We did, now no one thinks its a good idea which has made Europe stronger. The UK is now basically crippled, but if we rejoin we are no longer crippled and will make the EU stronger by being on the inside. Brexit has been fantastic for the EU, but the good it has done wont be undone by us rejoining.
Idk if Ireland would feel the same they’ve had some problems in certain areas since we left
So now the problem of the EU were the Britons? Please...
As someone from he uk. Big agree
The EU is doomed! so as a brit I'm glad to be out of it! Now I can sit back and watch as the EU destroys itself country by country. Greetings from the UK!
I am a big fan of all of Great Britain. I was and am very sad about Brexit. I still think that we are all europeans and that we share fundamental values.
but that doesnt mean we want to be married to you, and be your "goto jobcenter" and free fishing grounds.
Weird how a lot of rich people in the UK pushed for Brexit when the EU started talking about closing tax havens 🤔
It's not as if there aren't enough tax dodgers in the EU. But I get your point. We make a lot of money (I say we, but I mean a very small portion of our population) from tax dodging and laundering dirty money.
Plenty of that money comes from the EU as well. I can imagine that the rich in the EU were also for Brexit, come to think of it,
@@dandare1001 Britain is, by some distance, the dirty money capital of the world. The City of London exists to facilitate the hiding of vast (often ill-gotten) fortunes in "Offshore Trusts" - and they have their own representative, who sits close to the Speaker in Parliament, to make sure the interests of The City are not interfered with.
The true reason of bretix
Doesn't matter, the BOT are not part of the UK so were never in the EU in the first place.
@@Croz89 What is the BOT? Ah British Overseas territories, I assume? The laundering goes on in the UK, not just the BOT
Embarrassment. What an utter embarrassment to come from this country. This is what hubris, a failed education system, private media conglomerates and 15 years of governance by incompetents will do.
A country in ruins, sliding faster and faster towards the abyss.
No chance halting the decline, we've already stripped the country for parts and sold the last of it off. The Brexit-eers told us we wouldn't need brakes - We can just believe
You've forgot : bipartism, unellected people ruling, cowardship, no written constitution... 😢
Couldn't agree more
UK politicians just love to implement austerity in any way possible, it's like an addiction
@@PeidosFTW it's all planned..
Wait till you hear about Germany 😂
A significant portion of the 52% who voted to leave have since died. This is why there should have been something like a 60/40 threshold. Instead they went for a non-binding 50/50 and talked it up as binding when Brexit passed
The government says it's all good...but the vast majority of business people say...VERY bluntly...that it was a mistake. Period.
EU has very clearly stated there will be no new "Swiss agreements" ever. EU does not want hundreds of bilateral agreements, that is what the "Swiss agreement " is all about, that have to be renegotiated all the time. As a matter of fact EU is putting pressure on Switzerland to move towards a more manageable agreement.
Exactly!
We are not quite particularily happy with the British here in Switzerland. The EU was way more easy going before Brexit. However, now we feel they try to prove some point with us.
@@lionelbattegay6042 That's largely a false impression. The EU was getting sick of the mess of agreements even before brexit.
There is also one important thing about Switzerland. Swiss invest in EU more than any other country. Bulk of Swiss manufacture and market is in EU, and it is not strange to buy Swiss product in CH store that is made in EU, and vice versa.
Swiss based conglomerates are big employers in manufacture, shipping, finance and other through EU.
Britain can not compete with CH in any way beacouse British companies where historically only interested in easy money and tax heavens.
That is true. The UK public do not want such an agreement in reality. But I cannot ever see Switzerland moving closer to being an EU member. Indeed, the recent direction of travel seems to be quite the opposite. The EU is not the economic power that it was ten years ago and EU policies have had very poor outcomes in Europe.
27 Minutes about UK - EU Relationship and no european voice was heard. All topics were about „we“ and „us“ from a British perspective. A major topic was ignored: What has the UK to offer for the EU to get a better deal than before - EU is doing fine so far. And after so much insulting against Europe, there will be no acceptance, if EU would allow UK to cherry pick.
So, for me it is just: talk about rejoin or forget it! You told the EU clearly what you wanted and what you think about them. We have heard and we keep this in mind.
Moreover, only from an economical standpoint. They just seem to forget (or don't know/acknowledge the EU is fundamentally about avoiding war by creating common rules that would create prosperity for all members. Economic/trade rules only being a part of the picture. If only based on trade, how on earth would the EU subsidize poor parts of member states as it massively did in the UK? Blind to the facts? Igorance?
The UK politicians have shown to be unreliable partners for negotiating deals.
So pretty certain the stance of the EU will just be: you want to make agreements ? Then you should have remained in the EU, because we already made them, the UK was part of the decision process and had a lot of influence (for example UK complains they don't have a deal with Japan like the EU which is important for the UK car manufacturers - but remember the UK was the one that proposed for the EU to make a deal with Japan in the first place !). The EU probably will have a state of: we think it's easier for the EU if the UK just aligns with EU rules. Deal with it.
as a EU citizen, I don't mind the UK rejoining the EU, but:
- it must adopt the Euro right away
- it must put a €1T bond down, because ...
- it must start driving on the right side of the road! :-P
What this is about is a new government in waiting and it"s relationship with the eu in time to come.Both the eu and Uk need each other for trade. It is all about harmony.
@@USUG0..... and each Briton who enters one of the other members country must wear donkey ears 24/7* until he leaves the country again, for 5 decades after being readmitted.
*well, maybe not when taking a shower 😂
As an Australian it is sad to hear British agriculture bleating about free trade with Australia whilst we well remember how we were abandoned in the 1970’s. All business needs to survive without subsidies globally?
Well you are right of course but predisposes of no interference by government. British farmers cannot kill badgers, even though they loose half their herds to TB caused by Badgers, thats just one of many impositions imposed by the British government ruled by nimbies. So given a even field, I am sure British Farmers would do well and actually make a living whereas now its border line if they will survive.
@@johnchristmas7522 Most farmers were in favour of staying in the EU, the whole picture about everyone struggling to do business because of EU red tape was largely engineered by the Tories who were more concerned about the effect that staying in the EU would have on their tax havens (which were being closed up).
Quite weird. A video from the FT making no mention of the impact of Brexit on Financial Services...
because its all blox and a remoaners lie.. thats why!-
The main benefit of Brexit is that the EU has a reliable location to which it can send its out-of-date food.
I didn't look at this but you're correct. All food that can't fulfill the EU standard can be sent to the UK on a Truck within 24 hours.... In the future the UK can also be used as a dumping ground of nuclear waste or other stuff because when you pay well they will take the money... Look at the wastewater they are dumping in the rivers and sea.
lol
I also see a major market for hazardous electric appliances or counterfeit drugs in Pyongyang on Thames.
@@klausschumacher7126 Can also be put on a boat to the USA as the standards are even lower there.
@@KGI_KlikoNLnot about standards, but lack of border checks. USA is checking its imports. UK is not. So you can even send stuff to the Uk which is below standard. Nobody will notice.
Britains need to understand, that when they left EU, they stopped being a partner, and became a competitor to EU.
A competitor who should be put in place with all their demands. The demands and expectations will rapidly go down if the EU forces them into a poverty state.
@@Nmh2el You do know we Import more than we export? Meaning the EU will lose billions a year. The EU is weak and will collapse within 10 years when the German gravy train runs out of money.
@@jonallen-dt2ui I'm a Brit who has lived and worked in Europe in my own business for the last 35 years, and, let me tell you, we are doing fine. You should try living abroad-you'll be surprised at how well we live, all things considered.
OMG! Uk right wingers talking about EU collapse since the beginning of EU. Dream on,buddy. Some more unicorns?
You know...that part didn't occur to me
Miranda Green, Deputy Opinion Editor:
"The Brexit deal that we eventually ended up signing has impacted different bits of the economy in DIFFERENT ways.
It's very DIFFICULT for agriculture. It's very DIFFICULT for the creative industries. It's very DIFFICULT for some parts of manufacturing."
I'd love to hear her explanation of how difficult, difficult and difficult are different from one another.
The Brexit argument has always been that "the EU is a woke socialist fascist dictatorship run by despicable vindictive bureaucrats dreaming of suppressing, bullying and blackmailing the freedom-loving people of the UK", right?
I recommend inviting people from the EU, and Europe in general, on British media. Perhaps this would create a bit more balanced view of what the EU actually is all about? I believe this would be the first step towards improving the relations between the EU and UK.
I used to host factory tours around a major UK based car OEM.
I hosted a group of retirees once and got the question “so what benefits have you (our factory) seen since Brexit” - They were utterly astounded when I said zero. Which left me astounded that they could be so tone deaf as I had explained that at our peak (pre brexit) we’d been making 900 cars per day and were, post Brexit making around 250.
We couldn’t produce as many cars, we couldn’t get as many parts, what parts we did get were late. A big factor of this was because most of our parts were sourced from the EU.
“But why arent we (the UK) making the parts?” They cried
“Our politicians sold off all the family silver years ago”
They were quiet for a while after that. I think it took a while for them to mull it over.
Bet they blamed the migrants and remainers for it!!
The UK aren't making the parts because, old people wanted cheaper and better quality products.
They probably all voted for Brexit
@@phill6859 The car industry adopted diversified supply chains because they could manufacture cars cheaper that way. They could have insisted for "patriotic reasons" that all aspects of car manufacturing remain in house and died a slow death I suppose
They didn't "sell the family silver". Diversified supply chains are actually a really good idea. Breaking those chains is what's really stupid.
Peter Foster is suggesting that UK should cherry pick a lot of benefits that EU members have. His suggestions about doing a "youth mobility deal" or a "professional mobility arrangement" are basically what one of the four freedoms of the single market is all about. Freedom of movement. I do not think there will be any will from the EU side to do that because when the Brexit negotiations started the EU council specifically instructed Michel Barnier, the chief negotiator of EU, that UK cannot have any benefits of the Brexit agreement that EU members have.
Which is common sense
The amount of political friction caused by Brexit to the EU means that it is very unlikely the EU will want to renegotiate anything. It is not even clear if they would accept the UK back in the EU if miraculously there was the political will in the UK to do so.
They still are in denial.
@@Tommaso251287 Its the FT. They don't want to admit that it is Brexit that is causing all these problems.
He is basically saying he wants back in without outright saying it. There was talk of accepting the swiss or Norway model without explicitly mentioning them.
All because of some party making that anathema.
I own a wholesale trading company in germany. My company employs 28 people, so it is one of countless similar mid sized companies in germany. Companies like mine are often very specialised on a single area or line of products and are the backbone of our economy. We import goods and sell them here in our region. I used to import goods from britain in the range of about 2-3 million Euros every year. But after brexit I stopped importing from the UK entirely. The prices are not competitive enough anymore and I don't want to deal with all the customs and paperwork. I do my business in Denmark or the Netherlands now. And as I said, my company is just one of many thousands in germany alone. So I imagine that brexit devastated our british colleagues. As far as I know some of my old trading partners in britain closed their businesses shortly after brexit.
From my perspective this is just sad and pointless. I really don't understand how anyone could believe leaving the continental market to be a good idea. I mean I don't agree with a lot of stuff that's going on in the EU. But european trading is so deeply integrated in our economy by now, that we couldn't survive without it anymore. Any german politican proposing to leave the EU is a certified lunatic.
The thing is, the UK has to trade with the EU, but the EU doesn't need to trade with the UK. It seems that this hasn't been understood.
This programme is an honest enough confession that the UK has no trace of an interest in the spirit of the EU, only seeks now a more self-serving transactional relationship with it. Echoes of the default historic British attitude to internationalism?
100% on point.
They always saw the EU as a market to profit from. Nothing else.
@@jal051 Sorry, but the single market is definitely the biggest reason to support the EU, whether you like it or not. That's why all the Central and Eastern European countries joined in 2004-07 in the first place.
@@jal051 this isn't true for every single person in the UK. The majority, yes. But not all of us. Please bear this in mind.
@@jal051 : for the most part, the British only feel comfort and equanimity in their relationships with anglophone countries. They harbour a deep-veined anti-European sentiment that means these relationships can never rise above being tolerable. Hence the sense they are under British control must be kept clearly in mind and attitude.
Start by getting rid of the incompetent conservatives
As politicians their job is to convince you they are necessary, while stealing your money and making sure you don't fight back. I'd argue they are pretty competent.
The whole British political system needs a complete overhaul. Its rotten to the core. It's an archaic relic that isn't fit for purpose in the modern era. If the political system cannot modernise then neither can the country as a whole.
and what, voting in incompetent labourites? Be real for two second here. The Labour shadow health ministry already talking about selling NHS. The Labour leader has told us he'll continue austerity. Nothing will change!
@@adhiwicaksono6149 Which is the point of the comment from @benghiskahn3673 above yours.
@@adhiwicaksono6149So, you are happy to be governed by incompetent Tories, who are selling off the NHS and love austerity?
You need to start looking at the bright side of Brexit dear brits,...it is very, very educational for you guys and really, really funny for everyone else.😘
“My question is how can we get closer alignment with our closest trading partner (EU)?” Maybe not leaving the union would have been a start. Jesus
Brexit got Britain done
Well and truly.
😁😄
Like a dog's dinner.😊
😂 damn. So true.
Like a kipper 😅
this made me laugh, well done. i love british humor.
I see the Brits are still negotiating with themselves. What you guys find acceptable may not be acceptable to the EU. Can’t believe we still having the same conversation.
It was never really about the EU (most people don't even know how the EU works); it was pure grievance politics, create an 'other' and blame them for all your problems, promising a land of milk and honey when they are vanquished. We got Brexit, the US got Trump, 2 cheeks of the same arse
You are listening to 10% of Brits who don't have what they want and are powerless to get it - don't flatter yourself the EU has the power to say no to nothing...
This is such a lazy refrain. Of course we have to negotiate with ourselves before we negotiate with the third party. What; do you think the EU only decides what it wants out of a negotiation on the day it turns up for the negotiation?
The problem was we didn't know what we wanted last time. And when we finally decided, we ended up with red lines which were incompatible with one another.
@@alexander9703 They keep talking about the Swiss trade deal as if the Swiss trade deal didn't include freedom of movement. The Swiss deal was offered to Johnston and he rejected it.
Brexit is done, haven't you heard? Time to negotiate among ourselves is over.@@alexander9703
As a European it makes me really sad that the Brits are struggling. The European project just is not complete without them. I hope we can come nearer towards each other in the future when the wounds have healed and create a very tight and close political / economical alliance. We as Europeans need to stand united on the world stage and be the ambassadors of progress and liberty around the world.
@petertimmermans8425 Peter - I am half-French, half-English. Brexit was a big mistake. I think you might be German? Countries make mistakes sometimes and annoy their neighbours. Good neighbours try to understand and forgive.
That's what makes me so sad about it as well. But it seems the British government has to open their eyes a huge lot before such a thing can happen...? After all, there cannot be any benefits for the UK unless they rejoin, and I doubt they would get any extra treatment like they did last time when they were a member.
Still holding out for the sake of the European idea.
But not really hoping for anything good in that direction for the next decade at least.
I would like to state very important historical fact for you. Napolyon had said if you want to hold Britian to prevent developing rapidly, advancing very quickly, becoming more prosperous nation, you need disconnect UK from Continental Europe. He could succeeded but Boris Jonhson did it for him....
We have created beurocracy for our business, set up hurdles.
169 countries NOT IN THE EU.. you do the MATH!
if you can.. a abacus maybe required methinks for salty remoaners
@@jonsimmons4150 I would like to remand you that more than % 41.1 percent (also on your door step) of UK's export to EU, not to Marshall Island, Nauru or Patagonia.....
This is what happens when free marketers fail to recognize that the EU single market is the greatest free market accomplishment since the Roman Empire.
True that, but haters don't want to hear facts
Free market is only good when it lets them have an unfair advantage sorry (/s) otherwise its not free market its communism
*since ancient China.
Seriously, try dealing with the EU from our neck of the woods. The EU is a protectionist mafia!
The British Empire in the second half of the 19th century was a far greater accomplishment.
“Singapore on Thames” was never going to work. It already exists - it’s called Switzerland.
Good one. Indeed.
XD
Is this what we call a cold burn?
You are poorly informed! The EU is currently taking massive action against Switzerland and CO. The Tories and their bankers didn't expect that new authorities would come to the EU and show them what was going on with Singapore on the Thames!
The new AMLA authority in Frankfurt is taking tough action against the Swiss/GB etc. business model.
Branson/BAFIN is just around the corner. He is one of the best experts on the Swiss scene. He was formerly the boss of Finma!
Furthermore, the many leaks such as Pandorra Papers and CO in FRG/Hesse are processed using AI and high-performance computers. These departments work for AMLA! They will have a massive increase in staff. Zucman and Co are also there with their EU authorities. They were pioneers of the AMLA! OECD tax Zucmann was the one why she came!
AMLA initially had 500 employees and will be massively increased.
All countries in the world can join AMLA to compare their data. This is where we are at the beginning and over time it will get really tough for some countries what will come out when data is compared.
Wisthleblowers can report and receive full personal protection. The bonuses paid should then motivate them considerably to reveal data!
So perfect prospects for GB when it comes to financial services of a special kind!
There are two more that actually like London also start with an "L": Liechtenstein and Luxembourg.
Absolutely not! Both Rhine and Rhône are much much cleaner than the Thames. You can go for a swimming perfectly safely in Basel or Geneva.
Britons joined the Union just for economic reasons, and it worked well for them, when they joined UK was called the poor man of Europe. They never deeply shared the concept of trying to unify Europe. They always considered themselves to be something different and special. And exactly for this reason they leaved. And exactly for this reason they would never be accepted again.
To be honest it's probably got something to do with historically other powerful EU countries before the EU was created they were at war with them on multiple occasions & in a way the EU was another tool to tame Germany from never rising up to be a main enemy in a world war. After all they were main players in the 2 world wars
@@Emperor-Inker All European Countries were at war. For two times in 30 years. THIS is the reason we conceived the EU. France was at war with Germany twice just like the UK. This is just an excuse
@@Emperor-InkerNonsense! Explain the French-German relationship!
@@Alby_Torino that is true & I have nothing to say besides perhaps the British hold grudges from the war a bit more, though that is nonsense though
British exceptionalism.
Great piece! Next time I'd be grateful for fact checking of the claims. I felt the "trade deal with California" was a particularly gross moment.
Watching this video, it comes to my mind that what the Brits really want is what they had being a member.
It was one of their slogans no? The Brexiteers ran with "They need us, more than we need them" and I think they wanted their cake and eat it?
@@Dalladon Context is important. I think this was mainly based upon the point that the UK had a trade deficit of almost 2 to 1 when it comes to the major trading partners like say, Germany. Yet were paying slightly more each year to the EU than the next 19 members put together. At the same time, there was a serious democratic deficit within the EU itself, which was growing worse and all efforts to effect reform were blocked by a ten nation voting block reducing or entirely preventing British influence.
Nope, main point of leaving EU was to have full control of our borders. If I have to sacrifice a temporary and relatively short term trade issues to have the ability to resolve the bigger issue, which is mass migration into Britain, both illegal and legal, then I'd happily swallow that pill.
@@kravan5063and yet, you are breaking records of migration into UK AFTER you left 🤷
@@kravan5063 And how is it going? Are you "controlling the borders"? You, Brexit folk, cannot get one simple thing - the immigrants are NEEDED in UK. The population is aging in a rapid pace and without immigration, there will not be enough people in working age to support the expensive social system. Someone needs to actually work, in order to generate the money for pensions, nursing homes, hospitals etc, etc... The only difference Brexit makes, is probably the nationality of immigrants. Will not be Polish or Romanian, will be Pakistani or Albanian. No other difference.
I can not begin to understand how frustrating must be for people who voted remain have to go through this
We do. And for those who have children who would have liked an Erasmus experience, and for those who want to live, work or retire in one of your neighbouring countries. But the thing is... You guys knew all that. It's not rocket science.
It sucks for sure 😅
It's utterly horrific. But I suspect you know that 😊
I wouldn’t worry. Most are loud mouth lefties. You don’t need to ask what way they support, they’ll tell ya 😂 (and Chuck milkshakes over you if you’re not in agreement)
It's been utterly despairing and depressing for those who can look at real facts and not Neo Conservative lies to take care of their own finances and nothing to do with the gingoistic propaganda of the Tiries and Fartage cronies. Starmer must get us back into the EU. He simply must.
Not one person could name a single tangible benefit delivered by Brexit. Fantastic!
I’m just glad Keir is going to make it work, it’s a real weight off my mind.
🤣🤣🤣
The more I listen, the more I hear these people describe programs, laws, rules, and programs WE HAD BEFORE WE F’N LEFT.
Let's leave the EU but then make Contracts with the EU that still force us to do everything in the way the EU decides, but now we have nothing to say about it. Great work ;-)
This was entirely predicted. Even without any deal, it was clear that British producers/manufacturers would still follow all EU rules, because they need the CE mark if they want to export.
Let's leave the EU to escape the looming threat of an ever closer Union and EU army to then root hardest for like the most pro-EU nation out there, Ukraine. This support for Ukraine while the American colleagues of the Brexiteers (MAGA) are betraying Europe also helps to form an EU army.
Both good things while this probably wasn't the intention with Brexit.
When British companies are setting up offices, warehouses in other EU countries should tell you everything about Brexit
Very true - but the profits come back to the UK…
The farmer saying ”It is about give and take, isn’t it?” is absolutely right, but the rest of the EU saw exactly that London for a long time did not accept that and was not being honest about the relationship with the EU.
The Conservatives should really open up their old calendars and talk about WHO pushed Brexit in the first place. There is at least one big Player, right on the European border that is really interested in weakening both Great Britain and the EU…
Many of the people interviewed here seem to think that we in the EU are willing to let you have your cake and eat it too. Brexit didn't affect us in the same way, and I don't believe that allowing you to have the same type of deal as Norway is on the agenda.
The UK can certainly have a Norway deal if they want one. Paying to the EU and following the rules, but having no representation in Brussels 😄.
Norway is the first to oppose UK getting anywhere near EFTA/EEA.
@@HappyCatholicDane I think the problem with allowing the UK to have a deal like Norway's is more that, in that case, we signal to other nations considering leaving that they can do so without any real consequences.
@@JustSomeTommy A Norway deal isn’t really optimal. It is being an EU member, without having any say on how the EU is run.
Norway and Iceland accepts this arrangement, because they get the right to protect a few national industries (fishing and agriculture) while getting access to the single market. But frankly, it is a bad deal for them. I don’t see it being something other countries would like to emulate.
For the UK it would mean that they were going from being a major rule maker inside the EU pre 2016, to basically becoming a rule taker without representation. Which would be a major humiliation for the UK ego. Which is why they won’t ask for a Norway deal.
I would be super happy to welcome the UK back in the customs union and the single market. Once they got their sh*t together. People talking about "the opportunities of brexit" demonstrates they haven't.
Man, all of these people looking to make trade easier and synchronize standards across borders are going to be really surprised when they hear about the EU.
The British still have the export hit Monty Python. It somehow fits because it is a success from the past in which the Brexitiers live. Put a big export tax on it to make the Empire great again. The world loves MP and British humor. Be continued…😉
We fired buckshot through the side of our boat and now we're desperately trying to plug the holes with our fingers. It's beyond embarrassing.
Nostalgia for a past Empire never coming back and for British 'exceptionalism' that was an illusion. How could Brexit be a success?
Bottom feed argument. It was way more complicated than that
@bereal6590 I know. Cutting yourself off from your biggest and nearest market was hardly an intelligent move! Swashbuckling, Exceptional and Global Britain was for the birds.
The UK is still an empire that is still rising we are just in a bad situation but it will be fixed rapidly
@onikamaraj1239 the most meaningless word salad from you that I have seen in some time. Which part of our 'empire' is rising then? India?
@@nickdoughty518 What have you consumed that makes you think the current status quo in terms of trade agreements, is going to be this way for all eternity?
Brexit was always short term drawbacks for the potential for better long term payoffs. Summarising Brexit as a total negative because we're in the short term negatives of it in the literal short term is dumb.
The biggest issue for Britain was immigration, legal and illegal. Brexit was ultimately about immigration control. We have now the ability to fully control our own borders that we didn't whilst in the EU.
American here, what was the former CEO of Vote Leave talking about trade deals with individual U.S. states? States do not have the power to sign those, the federal government has the sole power to make trade deals. It's something Republican state governors always complain about but there's never been a successful push for a Constitutional amendment to change that.
I already also commented the same. The people of UK are still being gaslighted by their government.
This is the main reason the UK people wanted out of the EU - to be able to make international trade deals without having a federal body in charge.
The UK have signed a Memorandum of Understanding with a few US states. Bexiteers equate these MoU's with trade deals to suit their narrative.
@@Iazzaboyce You can now. And what's the result?🤣
Because the lies continue as a coverup of a monumental screwup that Brexit is.
I love how basically everyone is paddling for solutions to ease on trade, basically forming a proto-EU framework that already existed in the first place. But yeah, blue passports. It's like cutting off your own foot in order to run better and then begging for prosthesis
Its a mess, undo it it, REJOIN!
Meanwhile in Germany: "I still don't get it! They shut themselves OUT of the market and now they complain about the fact that they can't sell their products properly IN the market?...must be some sort of english homour, I guess!"😂😂😂
The EU Market is the Fastest Shrinking Market in the World... and that's before the Ukrainian War. All the unrest in Europe with all the Nationalist political Parties and the EU continues to Over-regulate... and keep all the borders open for uncontrolled migration... what could possibly go wrong with that trajectory? LOL!
Like our famous minister for Brexit Opportunities said:
"The key is that we have our fish back: they are now British fish, and they are better and happier fish for it."
What a wonderful world
Just shows you how it’s fun and games for the tories. Not serious people.
The fishing communities were lied to about the benefits of leaving the EU, only to find out that post-Brexit they were just as powerless as before to stop problems like other nations over-fishing British waters. When the minister made the "British fish" comment it reeked of the contempt that he felt for such poor people.
The Tories told so many outrageous lies and false claims that led to people voting Brexit, I hope that people never forget this.
@@maywalker997 they should vote for someone else next time then.
There's a delicious irony, that a country, that colonised a great portion of the planet, then sought to isolate itself, is now paying a huge price for isolation.
Funny as heck, as someone that is not an UK citizen who discussed with UK citizens about all the sh*t that was sure to come up if Brexit passed. I wonder if the people who I discussed this with are still living in the fantasy they were back before Brexit passed. I enumerated most of the current issues Brexit has now in my arguments.
See people, there's absolutely nothing overly complex in this discussion that needs to break down this far. It's just a matter of logic. Your country is part of a major trade block that unified itself to compete with major powers.
If you chose to leave, the only possible way this is going to be advantageous in any front would be if your nation is in an absolute distant leadership position in relation to the trade block. Everything else that the trade block, or any of the countries that compose that block, plays an important role in a global scenario - you are going to be directly competing with it once you leave. This is pure logic. It's as shallow and simple an analysis as it can be.
It's simply because that's how economic blocks work. If you are not part of it, you are by definition part of the competition. So the only way leaving an economic block can be advantageous is if you can compete with it - and win. Then you can negotiate better terms and better deals with other nations, keeping all the profit to yourself, not needing to follow the economic block regulations, terms and internal accords.
Then you can analyze what sorts of EU rules and impositions those regulations, terms and internal accords put on their member states. I have heard a ton of complains of lack of sovereignty and whatnot from UK citizens, mostly from people living in a fantasy world where they thought they'd be able to violate all sorts of EU regulations, deals and whatnot if they left the block. This is not how any of this works. The absolute vast majority of regulations and rules are there not because somehow the EU wants to overstep on the sovereignty of member nations - they are there to facilitate trade, which it effectively does.
It just so happens that contrary to what most people think, EU regulations and rules are pretty much level with just normal international trade deals and regulations. Part because the EU already dictates the global standards, part because it's not some sort of dictatorship body where everything is decided unilaterally by Union politics - it's a democratic system. All of those rules and regulations were voted by member states. So if you are going to do business as an independent nation with any of those states, they will likely demand the same level of regulations and deals. You gain absolutely nothing by leaving the trade block, and worse yet, now that you are not part of the block, nations willing to do business with you may require an even bigger level of regulations and scrutiny. Because they owe you nothing, you are not part of the union anymore, you don't get the clout and guarantees of being part of it.
But let's put it down to brass tacks what really happened during Brexit here, shall we. You let racism, nationalism, jingoism, FUD and empty promises from politicians who showed absolutely no proof of what they were talking about interfere in a decision that should've been done in a level headed manner and thinking about economical consequences. And this is perhaps the absolute most important lesson anyone discussing Brexit should take home.
The promises around reducing immigration, be it legal or not, never came to be, because the problem with immigration never had anything to do with the UK being part of the EU. Immigration is a compound complex issue that governments and politicians do not address outside propagandistic FUD campaigns because they are not interested in solving the issue - they are only interested in getting votes and power. It's a sensationalized topic because it has become an instrument to justify electing some of the worst types of representatives seen in the history of democracy.
And until citizens of countries where governments use these sorts of tactics appealing to emotions, FUD, racist sentiment and nationalistic rhetoric don't realize that they are being quite literally scammed for votes, nothing is going to actually change.
It has been proven again and again and again that passing new laws, spending millions to billions of dollars in border infrastructure, border control agencies, and doing all this anti-immigrant theater, is not solving the problem and will not solve the problem. It is akin to the war on drugs. Governments will never be able to legislate it out, because they don't have the power to do so.
And it should be obvious to anyone looking at these situations that it's only becoming worse and worse over the years, because instead of people in position to do something looking at the issues themselves that are causing these, they are instead burying their heads in the sand, and trying to shield themselves from reality with sand castles.
And this tactic has become so insidious that still, to this day, you still have an incredible amount of people that are either ignorant or completely misinformed on this topic, to the point of it becoming some sort of religious mantra or creed. Gather your torches and pitchforks, we'll hunt the witches.
It shouldn't take this long or be this hard to understand that the only way to keep the immigration crisis at bay is global coordination and diplomacy to enable all of these people to simply continue living in their home countries.
It's an incredibly small number, compared to the whole, of people who voluntarily wants to abandon their place of birth to live in some other nation they don't know the language, are not familiar with the culture, and will have to start their lives from scratch. Yes, I understand this is extremely complex to work with, but so far I haven't seen a single politician in position of representation even considering to look at the problem from this angle. And it seems like it'll take the same time or longer to start having discussions from this angle as it did for the war on drugs.
So what the immigration crisis really is, is a crisis of countries not having conditions for throngs of it's citizens to continue living with the absolute minimum humanitarian conditions. And so they uproot everything and try to escape somewhere they can. They don't do it because they want, it's because it's the only way for survival. You think you wouldn't do that in a similar position, but that's only because you don't know what their position really is.
"But that's not my problem" people will say - only it is. It's a problem of our species as a whole. It's a problem of the entire planet, the entire population of this planet. And it's being further exacerbated by several things we refuse to address, such as climate change, dictatorships, hate speech, wars, violence, regional conflicts sparked with global trade in mind, plus multiple other direct or secondary effects of the systems we have in place.
Now, of course no politicians will discuss this openly, not because they don't know about this - it's exactly because western political systems, particularly the so called democracies that are far from the ideal concept, incur in vices and internal cultures that works against the best interests of the population. Western democracies are not a rule by the people, it's a rule by representatives who can get the votes, where the most dirty tactics in the books to gather votes, power and money have all been normalized.
Which is why things like Brexit happens. All a politician needs to do to put up decisions that would most obviously result in disaster for the nation is to scam people. There are no real consequences or punishment for ruining the livelihoods of large portions of the nation, so whatever - better to work on the next propaganda piece that will elect me once again.
Overpromise, make people believe that the thing will solve all their personal issues, radicalize opinions using all common strawmen, use all the convenient scape goats for the nations' main issues, and it will get "done". And since people are stupid, that is an easy thing to do. People are primed to believe in strong men discourse, in easy answers and easy routes, in magical thinking solutions, in propaganda that says it'll solve all the major issues with a few simple steps, and so it's that sort of representative that western democracies ends up electing.
I can't believe it, the experts were all right! What a twist!
What were the experts right about? Do you mean when the experts said 3m EU nationals were living in the UK and then 6.5 million EU nationals applied to stay in the UK or when the experts said Brexit would cause high unemployment and the UK now has lower unemployment that all EU countries?
@@Iazzaboyce Probably when the experts said it would be an unmitigated disaster for the UK, and it has been. Funny how the biggest concerns from the UK electorate moved from 'Brexit' to 'the economy' in less than 4 years after leaving the world's largest trading block...
@@ronanflynn6420Good point and very well made! And I totally get it - the cost-of-living crisis in every other country was obviously caused by pandemic and war in Russia and in the UK the same cost-of-living crisis was caused by Brexit. And the UK crap weather is also caused by Brexit - it's all becoming clear now...
@@IazzaboyceNo, the UK got hit harder because of the Ukraine war, Covid AND Brexit. These causes are not mutually exclusive and can/have compounded the problems the UK face.
@@ronanflynn6420 But, the UK cost-of-living is less than France - who knew France left the EU - when did this happen?
As a European, I shop online quite a bit. I used to find british products and buy them, no questions asked. Now? Costs import tax so... no british buying anymore.
The nation that used to be all about free trade has ruined our trade in Europe, hurt all our economies and themselves more than anyone. Good job.
Completely agree
Same here. I’m an EU-based Brit and used to order most of my clothes and books from online retailers in the UK. No point now, stuff takes weeks to arrive and the extra costs are huge.
Now whenever I shop on eBay I always set search filter to exclude the UK. Before brexit most of the stuff I was getting from the UK. Now most purchases I'm making are from the Germany.
@@GorgeDawesSome time ago I ordered a fencing sword from UK. It spent over a month in parcelforce hell and then roughly a week in border control/inspection. The cost of the product itself was 80 quid (due to some minor factory defects it was on sale). When it finally arrived I thought I would pay didly squat for import fees, as according to Iocal tariff informator (ISZTAR) a blunt sword would cost me extra 0% as far as tarrifs go. Sadly what I avoided in tarriffs I paid in the tarriff agency fees for some God forsaken reason. For a lump of steel priced at 80 quid I paid 20 quid fee... just so the tariff agency could declare it to be essentially 0% import tarriff. There is currently no reason, like none at all, for anybody EU based to buy stuff from UK as a private individual. The additional costs are absurd. You are exactly correct.
Waaah, you ruined our little bureaucratic paradise. How dare you!
UK thought they were THE superpower of the EU, not only were they wrong, they also forgot the power of teamwork🎉
I ordered a computer part from the UK just ONE time. Never again. Price suddenly rose by 50%!!!
George Parkers divorce analogy is completely wrong.
The "two partners" have never been "throwing plates at each other". The UK wanted out of the EU and therefore the relationship and the EU said "OK, but that also means loosing the benefits of EU membership, sad to see you leave".
It's basically one of the partners leaving on their own accords, because "they need space and find themselves", but at the same time wanting to keep all the access to the flat they just moved out of and for their ex to still act like they are in a replationship, whenever the one that broke up feels it's convenient. That won't work.
All that Brexit actually accomplished, was the definite end of all the special deals the UK already had in the EU. If they want to rejoin at a later time, they will be treated just like any other country, not connected by a land border to most of Europe, who is trying to join or trying to make new trade deals.
Patently wrong. The student exchange agreement mentioned elsewhere in the comments is one such example when it can absolutely be done, but EU treats being a member state as a prerequisite. It is spiteful and is done to make an example for counties thinking of leaving the EU in the future: “Do it, and you are entering the world of pain”.
Because “towards an ever closer Union” is the entire raison d’etre of the EU, any talks of devolution and renegotiation of the major tenets of the EU is anathema to the bureaucrats in Brussels.
The only reason the EU hasn’t collapsed in late 2010s due to their failed migration policy is because they bribed Turkey and the Northern African countries to intercept migrant caravans and ships. It is a dysfunctional bloc that is waiting for the perfect storm of crises to unravel it.
@@Avengerie Could you point me towards the kind of student exchange programs the UK and/or EU have with other countries, that would both be, what the UK talks about and also have already been implemented?
@@AntonGudenus Switzerland used to participate in the Erasmus+ programme. In 2011/2012 academic year, they had 2673 foreign exchange students and 2612 Swiss students were studying in EU universities, so it was fairly balanced. No “all of the benefits and none of the obligations” spiel the remainers keep parroting. But when they had the audacity to vote in a 2014 referendum to limit migration, they got booted from the programme. The EU voiced their “disappointment” in the result (which was legally binding), but when it was so watered down by the Swiss parliament that any mention of “quotas” was removed from it (the term used in the referendum), the European Commission “cautiously welcomed” it.
@@Avengerie Ah yes, Switzerland, that country that has pretty close ties with the EU, but via hundreds of separate treaties (a situation which the EU now hates). In international relationships/treaties, you ALWAYS have to look at a simple principle: "I give you THIS, and you give me THAT in return". This video fails to mention what the UK will give the EU in return for everything they want. The reality is that the current TCA is already heavily in favour of the EU. It checks all of our boxes. Why would we want to change any of this? This is not about being spiteful. It's just hard cold business. Nothing personal. Only the UK (politicians, media,...) makes this a personal thing.
@Avengerie I find it hilarious that people who voted out of the union and criticized it for being a blind bureaucratic mess, now complains that the UE actually has an agenda and is willing to enforce it. Yes, we won't let the UK into student exchange programs, because we actually have this 'sovereignty' you blab about so much, and therefore we do whatever we want. The UK never understood that EU was more than just a big trade union and actually had political goals, like keeping the continent together and preventing future wars. The economy was just a mean to that goal. You just want the student exchange to have good time in Spain ? well, stay out, and stay mad.
UK has NOT any "individual trade deals" with individual US states. It is The Office of the United States Trade Representative that negotiates the US trade deals and it is the the President who has the power to enter into treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate. Matthew Elliot has no idea what he is talking about. UK has signed an agreement on mutual cooperation with Texas and some other US states.
Well, facts were never in the way of Brexiteer fantasies. Nothing has changed.
The funniest thing is, however, how UK politicians keep repeating those lies and utterly humiliating themselves and the UK internationally.
Shameless lying and misrepresentation is par for the course for Brexiteers. And right-wingers in general, for that matter.
I think Matthew Eliot knows he’s a liar.
Gosh that guy is embarrassing... he represents the Leave side very well... they have no idea what they are talking about
That doesn't mean though that governours could not within the framework established on the national level of the US, could not encourage deals by special regional circumstances like taxes, infrastructure, level of education of the populace from the particular state and such like. Not all states are even on all things. Same with european states and even regions within european states.
The UK is not the mighty British empire of the past anymore. You don't get to call the shots like you used to, now you have to be balanced when approaching negotiations. Brexit was basically having your cake and eating it all up. Ended up making it harder in doing business with your closest and largest trading partner.
Such a shame. Also, I'm happy that FT brought up the immigration issue, Brexit was largely motivated by anti-immigration sentiment.
The UK doesn’t have trade deals with individual states in the US, it has MoU which is essentially nothing. This should be highlighted in the video.