As a doctor with a rural practice I use one of these everyday doing my home visits. It has proved to be the best all round bike that I have ever owned and perfect for riding down rough farm lanes on my rounds. The side bag is big enough to hold all my medical equipment and medications. I thought about the XE but decided with it's gold forks etc it looked a bit too flash for a professional use. My matt green XC however just blends in everywhere. I have fitted a 'Farmer Torque' shorty version of the V&H pipe but that is for "Health and Safety" reasons (naturally, errm) as it is important to be heard coming in narrow country lanes! I do also ride a KTM 350 EXC for green lane use and so I have a little off road experience and frankly I find that the 200mm of suspension on the XC is all this type of bike needs, and is still a lot of suspension travel and on par with most adventure bikes. I have never felt more 'smitten' with any bike before. Love it !
After weeks of going back and forth on the same question, I have to agree with you on 200mm of travel vs 250mm suspension. how extreme do I really think I will need this bike to be? After all, it will be on the paved roads 90% of the time. I think my dilemma is my ego wanting the best capable suspension just in case I want to take huge jumps and take on hardcore terrain and regretting my decision.
Good comnent Doc I picked up the xe1200 last week and can honestly say its the best bike I've owned in 30 years biking. I'm 6 feet tall ,I think anybody shorter in height would be on their tiptoes, but the height can be adjusted. Regards Dave from Scotland
@@davidmuir6849 im intrigued by the bike as im not sure what category it belongs in my mind. I love the style and character of it. It is similar to an adventure bike and yet cannot imagine it being as good. Do you take yours offroad? How does it compare to an adv bike such as the africa twin which fits a similar price point?
Really appreciate the 'real world' approach when reviewing the bike. The little things like how are the lights at night, refueling, valve stem location, etc. Nice to see more whats its like to live with than seeing a pro rider take it off some sweet jumps in the middle of nowhere.
I traded a R1200GSA for a green XC and couldn't be happier. The engine is a peach and the suspension is great. Keep up the great comprehensive reviews, Mr Flyer!
“Most thirsty mode”, a nice honest description that made me chuckle! Handbooks are on the parts & accessories page of Triumph’s website, a useful resource for anyone taking a demo bike out for a test ride.
Tip on cleaning the spoked tires from owning an XE and a Street Scrambler - use one of those muppet-fur looking car wash gloves and just run your fingers through the spokes while you rotate the tire on a stand. Complete breeze. However - cleaning the accumulated oil and gunk from around the front sprocket area is a royal headache as it is a very tight space with some electronics and requires a bit of disassembly to access. I only do that every couple thousand miles with Simple Green and a small bottle brush. Need to be careful to put it all back together exactly right afterward or the rear brake light sensor wont activate properly. It's a bit fiddly as you folks across the pond say.
Thank you very much Bob - I try and cover the real stuff that day to day bikers are concerned about (well OK I do the stuff I look for when I buy a bike)....appreciate the kind comments...Andy
Hey Flyer! I've only recently run into your channel after looking for videos about the 650 twins, and I've ended up binging your whole playlist of videos. Big fan! Cheers.
Just put down a deposit on a new one of these (a 2020 model in Green). A couple of observations... There's only £800 difference between the XC and XE (not £1800, your maths is a bit off!) and the model you are riding has the "escape pack" fitted, which consists of the optional centre stand, heated grips, hand guards, rear rack, auxillary lights, the side pannier (and mounting) and fitting for a fly screen (but strangely not the screen itself). This pack, but the time you've added the actual fly screen costs around £1500. This takes the price of the bike you were riding to about £13k. The XE is less than this and comes with the heated grips and hand guards as standard. I still believe the XC is the better choice for a road bike but the price comparison is worth thinking about.
Great Review of an awesome bike. Please allow me one comment. I find it inexcusable is that Triumph does not offer the lean sensitive ABS and TC on the XC, leaving this only for the XE. Triumph, this is about the safety of your customers, forGod's sake ! I can see no reason whatsoever why th XC should not have this. I hope that if influencal testers like you mention this, maybe Triumph will change their mind in the not to distant future.. Thank you again for your great work . Greetings from Germany .
@@TheMissendenFlyer You are an influencal tester. Let me give you an example: Your longterm review of the KTM 1290 Super Adventure convinced me to buy the bike, which I ride happily ever since. :-)
@@jayrunner62 I agree. TMF is one of maybe 5 MC content creators I religiously follow and has been very influential in my Triumph purchases. Triumph... if you're reading this...
Here on this side of the pond I saw 2 2019 new Scramblers that have not been been sold at Euro Cycles in Daytona Florida. They have them discounted making them tempting, it's such a cool machine. Not sure why Triumphs don't sell as well here in the US? They are beautiful well made bikes.
after lusting over the XE, i sat on the XC for the first time the other day and found that it’s perfectly tall for me but not too much. i’m the same height so the XE is a little much for me as a new-ish rider. great video!
Just a thought on the cost comparison: you could consider using some well-known bikes as benchmarks for the cost comparisons (e.g. how much would an SV650 cost under the same circumstances). Then you'd have a yardstick that would help the comparison translate across others' circumstances a bit better. Love your content BTW!
I looked at one of those at my dealer's showroom Friday. It's a very good looking bike in person. That single side bag has a surprising number of features and the capacity is more than it appears. Add a Kriega waterproof tail bag and it would make a handy little cruiser. Could use a windscreen though.
It's a beautiful bike. Thre only issue I have with it is the exhaust. Here in the state's it would have to be a spring and fall bike. Where the right leg testicle roaster might be a welcome addition. It gets way to hot to ride that in the summer months. Great video though. You do great work my friend.
Great review. I have an xe and being 6ft5' it is a perfect fit. Agree that cleaning is a bit of a pain and just bought a bike dryer. I have the larger screen fitted and find 75/80mph on the motorway no problems re wind blast.
Just watching this again in 2021 and probably the most impressive thing was what you pay for bike insurance! I wish I had your policies. The last bike I had (Buell XB12-R) was nearly 800 quid for a 43 year old in Edinburgh! (I had unfortunately allowed the NCB to lapse by 6 months,...GRRR!) Beautiful bike that Scrambler!
Hi TMF. Great review. I love my XE. Just one tiny point with regards COE you halve the cost of 10000 mile service however the service is 10000 or annual so the cost would be full amount. As I say tiny in the grand scheme!
This is the 2nd motorcycle I’ve got after watching your reviews….what a bike😁 super happy with it Thanks a tonne for d wonderful review.. keep em coming!!😎
Not in the market for one of these but watched anyway as I like your videos. Great practical and I especially like your format for the full reviews. Thanks
Another great review and thanks for that. I wouldn’t have one though, spoked wheels I am not a fan of. I’ve suffered these in the past. I’m sure it’ll have a service light come on and it’ll have to be taken off at a dealership. I have a bike not just to ride, I like to do all my servicing myself, it all part of owning a bike for me. The fuel cap opens the wrong way, surely it should open up towards the bars which would be better IMO.like you said a lot of nooks and crannies on the bike. I look forward to your next review and thanks again ✌️👍🏼 PS: it would be nice to see a manufacturer produce a bike especially for the DIY enthusiast. Everything kept as simple as possible to own and service yourself. It’ll not happen but one can but dream lol 😂
Thanks for the great review very informative and professional I like how you broke the review into different categories this bike had been on my radar sence it was released please have safe travels while riding
Hey, I really enjoyed this video. One suggestion I have is maybe when doing the cost breakdown, and you get to the total cost, you can put a few other bikes in the same category also on the screen so we can have a good idea of how expensive it is to run compared to other bikes of its class. Sort of like how Doug Demuro does his doug scores at the end :D
With the exhaust in hot climates, I’m in Australia with an XE and the cat gets pretty warm on a 32+ degree day. A hair uncomfortably so in traffic in motorcycle jeans. A decat would fix it. A bit of heat wrap under the guard might well also in a slightly more environmentally / neighbourly friendly manner.
I wonder if a ceramic coating on the headers wouldn't improve the heat situation. It's been used in motorsports for that very reason if I'm not mistaken. I'm very intrigued by this bike, but for environmental reasons I'd prefer not to decat it.
This is a 'showcase' model so comes fitted with a whole host of extras fitted. The centre stand, heated grips, fog lamps, flyscreen, hand guards, rear rack, pannier frame & bag are all extras to the OE spec. Probably the best standard feature that you didn't mention is the cruise control. I'm assuming you didn't reset the fuel trip when you picked up the bike to average 51mpg ? I'm averaging 64mpg on my XC 👍 Good review though ! PS the XC is £800 cheaper than the XE. Not £1800 cheaper 👍
@@1990-t1j Good point. Now have a look at just how much a Yamaha T-Max is? Yes you get a centre stand as standard but I'd rather not have a centre stand and instead have decent suspension, Brembo brakes, 10000 mile service schedules and good residual value 👍 Still … Each to their own !
New subscriber here. I have watched few reviews on other channels but there is always something missing. Glad I found your channel, a fantastic review, you have covered every point and more. Looking forward to getting my bike. Thank you
Thanks for the detailed review. I have spoked wheels on my bike (also tubeless) and I confirm they are a total pain to clean. So I don't. Problem solved.
Good review .. As always you never take the bikes off road .. I do understand why but for me being a 70/30 rider it is often a little bit frustrating .. Luckily I found other vids showing how fabulous these bikes are off road.I heard there is a lower seat option on the XE ? Also you didn't really mention the fact that the bike has hardly any plastic on it .. Which is great I think. I enjoyed your review. Thanks for the info. Blessings.
When we visited Hinkley earlier in the year we saw one of these being tested on the roads with a taller windscreen and hard luggage, so maybe something coming in the future
great video Andy.. love your presentation skills. I have a suggestion for you.. if you'd show the headlight beam spread from an external camera, it would be easier for us to get a better idea about the headlights at night. use a same road for this test, it would be easier for us and you also to compare different headlights. you can setup the camera at the side of the road, pointed to the direction the bike is moving, then we can see its full potential, rather than the gopro. anyways.. love from India
As an owner of an XE , last week I got a feed back email about the triumph scrambler 1200 asking about pros and cons,ownership experience and rating new colour schemes etc ....one of the questions did surprise me tho ...it asked would I of bought the XC if the XE was not available ! ...I’m sure if you had the XC they might of asked the reverse ...my cynical self is wondering if they are going to just do the 1 model in future ?
Interesting. I hope they keep both. Seems like preference is split right down the middle with these. A lot has to do with rider height and typical riding conditions. I'm 6'2" and do a lot of light off-roading. I have the XE. But I have also ridden the XC and found that to be a great bike as well, I just liked the XE a fair bit more. I was happy to trade my Street Scrambler for the XE. I probably wouldn't have done the same for the XC.
As the cheaper model, if I considered buying a bike such as the XC (lovely as it is, but I wouldn't), I'd be delighted with cast wheels. I don't see the fascination with spokes, they remind me of push-bikes, that I'm not a fan of (in the least). The pipes look like just add-ons, a homage to Steve McQueen jumping over things, and therefore fashion over function. You forgot to mention that in icy UK one side of your lower parts would be scolding hot the other, freezing cold. I love the dash, however. Any petrol cap that you have to put on the ground when filling up, to balance my response, is simply rubbish design. Great review, carry on the good work!
I find putting a sponge inside the spokes and then rotating the wheel is the easiest way of cleaning the inside of the rim as it then fills the gap behind the spokes properly. Still not as easy as an alloy rim but easier than fiddling between spokes like you tried. Good video (as usual) but I'll be sticking with my GS.
The joystick/indicator confusion does become second nature after a while but I suppose if you ride many different bikes it might not and also bigger hands and thicker gloves may also cause problems. It’s the same layout on my Street Triple and I stopped looking after about the first 10-15 rides. I do like the XC version of the scrambler though.
I’ve got a 2017 Street Scrambler and have finally decided to upgrade to one of their 1200cc twins. Totally can’t make my mind up between this Scrambler, the T120 or a Speed Twin. Whatever I opt for I know I’ll wish I got one of the others. Nice review. Thanks for sharing
Fantastic review as always, love mine and yes the wheels are a right pain to clean, but hey- ho i love cleaning my bikes so not too hard a task. Keep up the great work you do 👍🏼
I'm reluctant to buy a Triumph because several dealers in the Midwest (US) have dropped the brand for lack of support and unreasonable demands on the dealers.
I live just down the road from the number one triumph dealer in the US. They have been doing a lot of grumbling about Triumph corporate lately. Apparently the year before last the Triumph demo bikes truck never showed up for the big annual demo day event and left the dealer completely in the lurch. Dealer had to use some of their own bikes to run the demo and they were NOT happy. Triumph, if you are listening, get it together in the US.
Hi there excellent,fun,realistic and useful posts . Thanks very much. It’s also nice to see the views of my old home country now that I live in Australia. 👍
I got woken up at 5am with a carbon monoxide alarm going off. National Grid engineer on his way. I'm watching this while I'm waiting. Lucky to be alive.
Having now had my Scrambler 1200xc for about a month, since buying it new, I thought I'd add a few observations. Absolutely love the bike and nothing major I don't like about it but a couple of minor niggles. Firstly, I like the style of the TFT and it's very functional, but... The first sign of a bit of sunshine and it's pretty unreadable, it just reflects blue sky/clouds back at you. No amount of of fiddling with the settings or angle seem to substantially change this. The second is the ill-thought out box for a mobile phone with the USB socket therein. I have an average sized modern phone, which fits in the box, but the space provided does not allow to attached to a charger cable, as there's no room left to plug it in at the bottom of the phone. Utterly useless and I can only assume it was designed when phones were smaller (mines a Sony Xperia 5 for what it's worth). My main complaint, however about my purchase of this bike is Triumph's appalling lack of ability to supply accessories ordered with the bikes. I ordered mine with the "escape pack", consisting of nine items. The bike arrived with only four fitted and I have since obtained one more, but the remaining accessories (which I paid for up front) are remaining elusive, with some promised in July and one, the centre stand (which is an accessory by the way, not standard), having no ETA at this time. Really poor show by Triumph, who were very dismissive when I emailed about the issue.
An annoyance probably affecting you too, if you’re syncing your Navigator time to your GS. Turns out Garmin was hit by a Y2K bug, 20 years late. The date defaulted back to the year 2,000 and there is no way of correcting it and no update currently available. To get the bike’s computer back in line you’ll probably also need to delink the auto time update.
Great review, I was just at my local dealers to organise a back to back between the 900 and a desert sled, the xc demo was available I might be buying that instead….
Thanks for this extreme good report, you have help me to take the right decision between XC and XE. Excellent your cost budget, so I live in Spain and I have inclusively a little cheaper!!! Start follow you mate!!
Did you forget to remove the bug magnet from your camera? The bike looked huge when you were standing by it but not so much when you were seated on it. On third thoughts those mirrors would touch your chin standing next to it? Good looking bike though.
Hoorah you did it! I bought one practically identical to the one you rode. I agree with everything you say about it. Btw centre stand is optional extra. The XE is £800 more not 1800
Great review, had a 2h test ride last Saturday and despite being a new rider, I found it really easy to get to grips with, feels agile in town compared with my 2016 nc750x. Something of a deal breaker for me though as a London commuter is the amount of heat from the engine and exhaust as you spend time in slow or stuck traffic. It got very uncomfortable although not burning sensation through my motorcycle jeans. Temperature was around 21C, sunny.
@@TheMissendenFlyer i am afraid so, and to an extent, that has dampened my interest in air cooled bikes, although most of those I fancy are (V85TT, Scrambler Icon in my top 5) and I know that only a test ride could clear that up but these are not easy to secure as if you believe the dealers, most buyer forego them. Never mind.
@@oliviermagere once you decat it, it's about 70% cooler. You can make it even cooler with a pipe wrap I ride mine in slow traffic in super hot Southern California. I'm a partial dirt bike rider and always leave my right leg far from the bike with my left leg high up, hooked over the bike when I stop at the lights. It's comfortable and prevents even the reduced remaining heat from affecting you.
Great review.!..Have looked through many of your reviews, and even your how to wash a bike vid, even after 30 yrs biking theres always more to learn :-) . Have been considering one of these xc's..but the new slightly higher hp 900 scrambler is also tempting. Would be interesting to see your comparison to the lower hp 900cc some time!! Subscribed.!
You made a really detailed review of the bike, I also prefer the xc over the xe for road use, and I like in particular this black version. I’m considering buying this motorcycle, so I found this review very useful 👍🏻
Best bike review I have seen yet! Subscribing for sure. I'm on the fence tho with the purchase. I want one so bad but keep telling myself to wait for a used one.
I also have a K1600B - BMW do it differently, no manual key but the cap stays unlocked for a couple of mins after switch off do you can open it to refuel...
I tried the XE scrambler, the Bobber and the Speed Twin last year. The Bobber was fun but a bit of a gimmick and not too comfortable. The XE was a great over bumps and would definately be the tool if you had a passenger. It was the speed twin that blew me away though, just such a fun and involving ride if you just want a Sunday blat.
Great review Andy! Thank you! I really like the sound of this bike and I would be keen to get one, but they only sell the XE version in South Africa... Cheers, Jase
Long awaited, much appreciated. Enjoying my XC Scrambler. Very useful insights of yours, thank you. As to the switch-gear, I found that the high beam switch got in the way, so perhaps it may be the way my fingers are designed. I agree with hefting it about - quite difficult and I'm 5'10. Perhaps it's the way the weight is carried. I found however, it's was nice to ride on slow speed maneuvers. It feels as though it should be easier to heft about. As to all the other good points, this bike is my magic carpet and a silver lining to any clouds that darken my horizon. Who would think a machine could do that? Thanks again and scramble on.
Lovely In depth Review..... Thoroughly enjoyed watching it. Covered all the aspects, I just want to know 2 more things 1.Hows the seat. 2.Can the bike tour comfortably, for 1000kms a day on 4 lane motorways?
Very impressive bike and a very informative review. A lot to like. I'd prefer the 900 for a mixture of road, off road. Not as heavy or bulky. Pluses with this bike are wire wheels, centre stand. Did the pipe push your, foot/knee into an uncomfortable position? Vibration tolerable. Heated grips?
Fantastic review. I’m loving the classic looking bikes at the moment and am thinking of chopping my Fireblade in for either a Bonnaville or Scrambler! 👍🏼🏍
OH I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS! Question - Benelli TRK 502 X - No one has really done a proper video on this bike - I really like your style - would love to hear your thoughts on what I think is potentially an amazing first BIG and Affordable (£5500) ADV bike for beginners
I still think you should buy an allroad bike. It can do everything a scrambler does better. Much better weather protection, much better luggage capacity. Bigger fuel tank. No hot exhaust against your or the passenger’s leg.
So, I have watched your reviews on the 2015, 2017, and now the 2019 Triumph Street Scrambler and have enjoyed them all. My question is, out of all of them, which would you recommend for an average person (without a big budget) wanting to commute to work occasionally but would enjoy mainly for a weekend cruise? I'd appreciate your forthright advice and opinion. Thank you and I love your channel!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thank you Sir for the reply! I'm kind of curious though, I subscribed to your channel a few years ago and just realized that somehow I was 'unsubscribed', not sure how that happened but I definitely subscribed again! Thank you for your wonderful channel! -Steve-
Another Interesting review. I like the way you do these reviews in the same formate every time so as a viewer we can take what we want to know. Thanks again. Neil.
Fuel cap looks just like a Speed Twin (hey you know that). Someone couldn't have locked it or it's broken. I wonder how pessimistic the "miles remaining" is ? On my Speed Twin I've working it out to about 26 miles pessimistic. i.e. if it says say 26 miles remaining , there's still a gallon in the tank, that would do about 52 miles. I had a sit on one at the Triumph dealers, I'm 5 foot 11 inches about 31 inch inside leg. I found I could flat foot. Otherwise nice bike, but not my style, I'll stick with the Speed Twin and Street Triple S. Although I'd like the larger tank of the Scrambler 1200s on my Speed Twin.
@@andrewroberts5416 Had a nightmare with a Multistrada electronic steering lock and keyless, needless to say it stranded me. don't want or like keyless
I just realised that you are pulling into a fuel station that I often used when I lived in the UK, I am with the company up the road opposite the fuel station in Fowlmere. I thought the road looked familiar 🤣👍🏻👍🏻🇦🇺
Excellent review ...I had a short test ride here in Brazil in a hot day about 33°C I felt a heat from the exhaust, I don't know if the H-pipe would resolve it or not.
As a doctor with a rural practice I use one of these everyday doing my home visits. It has proved to be the best all round bike that I have ever owned and perfect for riding down rough farm lanes on my rounds. The side bag is big enough to hold all my medical equipment and medications. I thought about the XE but decided with it's gold forks etc it looked a bit too flash for a professional use. My matt green XC however just blends in everywhere. I have fitted a 'Farmer Torque' shorty version of the V&H pipe but that is for "Health and Safety" reasons (naturally, errm) as it is important to be heard coming in narrow country lanes! I do also ride a KTM 350 EXC for green lane use and so I have a little off road experience and frankly I find that the 200mm of suspension on the XC is all this type of bike needs, and is still a lot of suspension travel and on par with most adventure bikes. I have never felt more 'smitten' with any bike before. Love it !
Good to hear - thanks for watching and for stopping by!
After weeks of going back and forth on the same question, I have to agree with you on 200mm of travel vs 250mm suspension. how extreme do I really think I will need this bike to be? After all, it will be on the paved roads 90% of the time. I think my dilemma is my ego wanting the best capable suspension just in case I want to take huge jumps and take on hardcore terrain and regretting my decision.
Good comnent Doc
I picked up the xe1200 last week and can honestly say its the best bike I've owned in 30 years biking.
I'm 6 feet tall ,I think anybody shorter in height would be on their tiptoes, but the height can be adjusted.
Regards
Dave from Scotland
@@davidmuir6849 im intrigued by the bike as im not sure what category it belongs in my mind. I love the style and character of it. It is similar to an adventure bike and yet cannot imagine it being as good. Do you take yours offroad? How does it compare to an adv bike such as the africa twin which fits a similar price point?
@@TheMissendenFlyer does it have enough torque to wheelie in first and second gear?
Really appreciate the 'real world' approach when reviewing the bike. The little things like how are the lights at night, refueling, valve stem location, etc. Nice to see more whats its like to live with than seeing a pro rider take it off some sweet jumps in the middle of nowhere.
Glad you think that - that is my thinking too….
The most real world bike review I have ever seen, thank you for putting the time in to show us your thoughts.
My pleasure....
Thank you for a really proper review...night ride, rain ride, cost of ownership, even a wash...nobody else does this! Terrific!
Cheers Al - glad you noticed ;0)
I traded a R1200GSA for a green XC and couldn't be happier. The engine is a peach and the suspension is great. Keep up the great comprehensive reviews, Mr Flyer!
Willco Lisa!
“Most thirsty mode”, a nice honest description that made me chuckle! Handbooks are on the parts & accessories page of Triumph’s website, a useful resource for anyone taking a demo bike out for a test ride.
Tip on cleaning the spoked tires from owning an XE and a Street Scrambler - use one of those muppet-fur looking car wash gloves and just run your fingers through the spokes while you rotate the tire on a stand. Complete breeze. However - cleaning the accumulated oil and gunk from around the front sprocket area is a royal headache as it is a very tight space with some electronics and requires a bit of disassembly to access. I only do that every couple thousand miles with Simple Green and a small bottle brush. Need to be careful to put it all back together exactly right afterward or the rear brake light sensor wont activate properly. It's a bit fiddly as you folks across the pond say.
Great tip!
Great review. Nothing else like this on the tube as far as I’m aware.
Thank you!
One of the best and though and detailed real world bike reviews I have seen, and i have been riding for 50 years.
Thank you very much Bob - I try and cover the real stuff that day to day bikers are concerned about (well OK I do the stuff I look for when I buy a bike)....appreciate the kind comments...Andy
Hey Flyer!
I've only recently run into your channel after looking for videos about the 650 twins, and I've ended up binging your whole playlist of videos.
Big fan! Cheers.
Excellent! Welcome along....
Just put down a deposit on a new one of these (a 2020 model in Green). A couple of observations... There's only £800 difference between the XC and XE (not £1800, your maths is a bit off!) and the model you are riding has the "escape pack" fitted, which consists of the optional centre stand, heated grips, hand guards, rear rack, auxillary lights, the side pannier (and mounting) and fitting for a fly screen (but strangely not the screen itself). This pack, but the time you've added the actual fly screen costs around £1500. This takes the price of the bike you were riding to about £13k. The XE is less than this and comes with the heated grips and hand guards as standard. I still believe the XC is the better choice for a road bike but the price comparison is worth thinking about.
Thanks for putting me right Gareth and congratulations on your new bike!
Great Review of an awesome bike. Please allow me one comment. I find it inexcusable is that Triumph does not offer the lean sensitive ABS and TC on the XC, leaving this only for the XE. Triumph, this is about the safety of your customers, forGod's sake ! I can see no reason whatsoever why th XC should not have this. I hope that if influencal testers like you mention this, maybe Triumph will change their mind in the not to distant future.. Thank you again for your great work . Greetings from Germany .
I wish I was an influential tester!! ...then maybe they'd let me have a go on the Rocket 3!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer You are an influencal tester. Let me give you an example: Your longterm review of the KTM 1290 Super Adventure convinced me to buy the bike, which I ride happily ever since. :-)
@@jayrunner62 I agree. TMF is one of maybe 5 MC content creators I religiously follow and has been very influential in my Triumph purchases. Triumph... if you're reading this...
Here on this side of the pond I saw 2 2019 new Scramblers that have not been been sold at Euro Cycles in Daytona Florida. They have them discounted making them tempting, it's such a cool machine. Not sure why Triumphs don't sell as well here in the US? They are beautiful well made bikes.
Although I am not going to buy one of these beasts anytime soon (or ever), love the in depth / thorough review as always.
after lusting over the XE, i sat on the XC for the first time the other day and found that it’s perfectly tall for me but not too much. i’m the same height so the XE is a little much for me as a new-ish rider. great video!
Thank you!
Just a thought on the cost comparison: you could consider using some well-known bikes as benchmarks for the cost comparisons (e.g. how much would an SV650 cost under the same circumstances). Then you'd have a yardstick that would help the comparison translate across others' circumstances a bit better.
Love your content BTW!
I looked at one of those at my dealer's showroom Friday. It's a very good looking bike in person. That single side bag has a surprising number of features and the capacity is more than it appears. Add a Kriega waterproof tail bag and it would make a handy little cruiser. Could use a windscreen though.
It's a beautiful bike. Thre only issue I have with it is the exhaust. Here in the state's it would have to be a spring and fall bike. Where the right leg testicle roaster might be a welcome addition. It gets way to hot to ride that in the summer months. Great video though. You do great work my friend.
Thank you Jim - if you think this is a nut roaster don’t try a Panigale!!
Great review. I have an xe and being 6ft5' it is a perfect fit. Agree that cleaning is a bit of a pain and just bought a bike dryer. I have the larger screen fitted and find 75/80mph on the motorway no problems re wind blast.
Seriously good looking bike. Triumph do seem to have got themselves an excellent range of bikes. Indeed, 'spoilt for choice' comes to mind....
Agreed...
Auxiliary driving or fog lights are usually turned off when the high or full beams are turned on. Here in the US it’s the law in most states.
Just watching this again in 2021 and probably the most impressive thing was what you pay for bike insurance! I wish I had your policies. The last bike I had (Buell XB12-R) was nearly 800 quid for a 43 year old in Edinburgh! (I had unfortunately allowed the NCB to lapse by 6 months,...GRRR!) Beautiful bike that Scrambler!
Don't get me started on insurance!! Crooks!!
Hi TMF. Great review. I love my XE. Just one tiny point with regards COE you halve the cost of 10000 mile service however the service is 10000 or annual so the cost would be full amount. As I say tiny in the grand scheme!
That confused me too
Brilliant in depth review, really helps me decide if it's going to be one of my first 1200cc bikes. 💪🏻👌🏻
Glad I could help!
Just bought a v85tt because of your review. Thank you from the US.
Hope you enjoy it!
This is the 2nd motorcycle I’ve got after watching your reviews….what a bike😁 super happy with it
Thanks a tonne for d wonderful review.. keep em coming!!😎
Glad you like them!
Not in the market for one of these but watched anyway as I like your videos. Great practical and I especially like your format for the full reviews. Thanks
Cheers Edward - I hope this format is useful for prospective buyers - it covers the practical stuff I'd be interested in knowing...
That brown seat looks so good on this bike.
Fantastic review. You are probably the reason I may buy this one vs. the 900cc Street version. Thank you from Switzerland!
Glad to help!
Another good video TMF. Great to see Triumph doing well as my first Bike was the Triumph Tiger Cub.
me too
Another great review and thanks for that. I wouldn’t have one though, spoked wheels I am not a fan of. I’ve suffered these in the past. I’m sure it’ll have a service light come on and it’ll have to be taken off at a dealership. I have a bike not just to ride, I like to do all my servicing myself, it all part of owning a bike for me. The fuel cap opens the wrong way, surely it should open up towards the bars which would be better IMO.like you said a lot of nooks and crannies on the bike. I look forward to your next review and thanks again ✌️👍🏼
PS: it would be nice to see a manufacturer produce a bike especially for the DIY enthusiast. Everything kept as simple as possible to own and service yourself. It’ll not happen but one can but dream lol 😂
Stephen Brown Thanks Stephen ✌️
Thank you for taking the time and effort to educate us on this bike.
Thanks for the great review very informative and professional I like how you broke the review into different categories this bike had been on my radar sence it was released please have safe travels while riding
Hey, I really enjoyed this video.
One suggestion I have is maybe when doing the cost breakdown, and you get to the total cost, you can put a few other bikes in the same category also on the screen so we can have a good idea of how expensive it is to run compared to other bikes of its class. Sort of like how Doug Demuro does his doug scores at the end :D
With the exhaust in hot climates, I’m in Australia with an XE and the cat gets pretty warm on a 32+ degree day. A hair uncomfortably so in traffic in motorcycle jeans. A decat would fix it. A bit of heat wrap under the guard might well also in a slightly more environmentally / neighbourly friendly manner.
I have a decat on my XE. It’s transformed the heat output. No more cooked right thigh in traffic. 👍
I wonder if a ceramic coating on the headers wouldn't improve the heat situation. It's been used in motorsports for that very reason if I'm not mistaken. I'm very intrigued by this bike, but for environmental reasons I'd prefer not to decat it.
My Ducati 🙀 say goodbye to any future children. Hypermotard 821. Death to sperm.
This is a 'showcase' model so comes fitted with a whole host of extras fitted. The centre stand, heated grips, fog lamps, flyscreen, hand guards, rear rack, pannier frame & bag are all extras to the OE spec. Probably the best standard feature that you didn't mention is the cruise control. I'm assuming you didn't reset the fuel trip when you picked up the bike to average 51mpg ? I'm averaging 64mpg on my XC 👍
Good review though !
PS the XC is £800 cheaper than the XE. Not £1800 cheaper 👍
@@1990-t1j Good point. Now have a look at just how much a Yamaha T-Max is? Yes you get a centre stand as standard but I'd rather not have a centre stand and instead have decent suspension, Brembo brakes, 10000 mile service schedules and good residual value 👍
Still … Each to their own !
New subscriber here.
I have watched few reviews on other channels but there is always something missing.
Glad I found your channel, a fantastic review, you have covered every point and more. Looking forward to getting my bike. Thank you
Welcome along Zaid!
Thanks for the detailed review. I have spoked wheels on my bike (also tubeless) and I confirm they are a total pain to clean. So I don't. Problem solved.
Liking your style Richard!
Good review .. As always you never take the bikes off road .. I do understand why but for me being a 70/30 rider it is often a little bit frustrating .. Luckily I found other vids showing how fabulous these bikes are off road.I heard there is a lower seat option on the XE ? Also you didn't really mention the fact that the bike has hardly any plastic on it .. Which is great I think. I enjoyed your review. Thanks for the info. Blessings.
When we visited Hinkley earlier in the year we saw one of these being tested on the roads with a taller windscreen and hard luggage, so maybe something coming in the future
Maybe an Adventure version!
I love the TFT screen lay out, beautiful. Thanks TMF
Have you seen the chap with the custom trailer he got built for one? He recently rode to Nordkap with his dog in it. 😁
Nope - trailers on bikes are the work of the devil as far as I’m concerned!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I've never tried one, but his is a beast! Check him out Getting2anywhere I think. It's nuts. 😂
Check out Farmer Torque channel. There’s a full review of the trailer etc.
literally have every bike i put in i like on utube, excellent videos always
great video Andy.. love your presentation skills. I have a suggestion for you.. if you'd show the headlight beam spread from an external camera, it would be easier for us to get a better idea about the headlights at night. use a same road for this test, it would be easier for us and you also to compare different headlights. you can setup the camera at the side of the road, pointed to the direction the bike is moving, then we can see its full potential, rather than the gopro. anyways.. love from India
As an owner of an XE , last week I got a feed back email about the triumph scrambler 1200 asking about pros and cons,ownership experience and rating new colour schemes etc ....one of the questions did surprise me tho ...it asked would I of bought the XC if the XE was not available ! ...I’m sure if you had the XC they might of asked the reverse ...my cynical self is wondering if they are going to just do the 1 model in future ?
Interesting. I hope they keep both. Seems like preference is split right down the middle with these. A lot has to do with rider height and typical riding conditions. I'm 6'2" and do a lot of light off-roading. I have the XE. But I have also ridden the XC and found that to be a great bike as well, I just liked the XE a fair bit more. I was happy to trade my Street Scrambler for the XE. I probably wouldn't have done the same for the XC.
As the cheaper model, if I considered buying a bike such as the XC (lovely as it is, but I wouldn't), I'd be delighted with cast wheels. I don't see the fascination with spokes, they remind me of push-bikes, that I'm not a fan of (in the least). The pipes look like just add-ons, a homage to Steve McQueen jumping over things, and therefore fashion over function. You forgot to mention that in icy UK one side of your lower parts would be scolding hot the other, freezing cold. I love the dash, however. Any petrol cap that you have to put on the ground when filling up, to balance my response, is simply rubbish design. Great review, carry on the good work!
I find putting a sponge inside the spokes and then rotating the wheel is the easiest way of cleaning the inside of the rim as it then fills the gap behind the spokes properly. Still not as easy as an alloy rim but easier than fiddling between spokes like you tried. Good video (as usual) but I'll be sticking with my GS.
The joystick/indicator confusion does become second nature after a while but I suppose if you ride many different bikes it might not and also bigger hands and thicker gloves may also cause problems. It’s the same layout on my Street Triple and I stopped looking after about the first 10-15 rides. I do like the XC version of the scrambler though.
I’ve got a 2017 Street Scrambler and have finally decided to upgrade to one of their 1200cc twins. Totally can’t make my mind up between this Scrambler, the T120 or a Speed Twin. Whatever I opt for I know I’ll wish I got one of the others.
Nice review. Thanks for sharing
You'll be happy with either - don't sweat it too much!
get this one as better dash and suspension
Fantastic review as always, love mine and yes the wheels are a right pain to clean, but hey- ho i love cleaning my bikes so not too hard a task. Keep up the great work you do 👍🏼
Fantastic review .
I picked up an xe1200 scrambler last week ,what a fantastic bike
Cheers
Dave
Congratulations!
Good job TMF. I love Triumph bikes and the Scrambler in particular. I shall have one in my garage one day soon I hope.
Great video
The heat is unbearable in the southeast of the US
I did test it, no no for me
Extremely hot, same as the Tiger 800 and the Explorer :( 🥵
Oh dear, that's a shame - not an issue in cold old England!
I'm reluctant to buy a Triumph because several dealers in the Midwest (US) have dropped the brand for lack of support and unreasonable demands on the dealers.
Crikey....
I live just down the road from the number one triumph dealer in the US. They have been doing a lot of grumbling about Triumph corporate lately. Apparently the year before last the Triumph demo bikes truck never showed up for the big annual demo day event and left the dealer completely in the lurch. Dealer had to use some of their own bikes to run the demo and they were NOT happy. Triumph, if you are listening, get it together in the US.
Hi there excellent,fun,realistic and useful posts . Thanks very much. It’s also nice to see the views of my old home country now that I live in Australia. 👍
Cheers Craig!
I got woken up at 5am with a carbon monoxide alarm going off. National Grid engineer on his way. I'm watching this while I'm waiting. Lucky to be alive.
I got woken up by the f*%&+n' dog at 5am...the dog is lucky to be alive.....
I got woken up at 5am by my alarm, but went back to sleep. I was late for work, and my boss is going to kill me. Lucky to be alive.
Apparently I now have to get a blood test before they can reconnect the gas. Carbon monoxide can kill you over a long period. I never knew that.
@@canturgan Fingers crossed for you then....just in case it's terminal, can I have your bike?
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne Very touching, I almost cried.
Having now had my Scrambler 1200xc for about a month, since buying it new, I thought I'd add a few observations. Absolutely love the bike and nothing major I don't like about it but a couple of minor niggles. Firstly, I like the style of the TFT and it's very functional, but... The first sign of a bit of sunshine and it's pretty unreadable, it just reflects blue sky/clouds back at you. No amount of of fiddling with the settings or angle seem to substantially change this. The second is the ill-thought out box for a mobile phone with the USB socket therein. I have an average sized modern phone, which fits in the box, but the space provided does not allow to attached to a charger cable, as there's no room left to plug it in at the bottom of the phone. Utterly useless and I can only assume it was designed when phones were smaller (mines a Sony Xperia 5 for what it's worth). My main complaint, however about my purchase of this bike is Triumph's appalling lack of ability to supply accessories ordered with the bikes. I ordered mine with the "escape pack", consisting of nine items. The bike arrived with only four fitted and I have since obtained one more, but the remaining accessories (which I paid for up front) are remaining elusive, with some promised in July and one, the centre stand (which is an accessory by the way, not standard), having no ETA at this time. Really poor show by Triumph, who were very dismissive when I emailed about the issue.
An annoyance probably affecting you too, if you’re syncing your Navigator time to your GS. Turns out Garmin was hit by a Y2K bug, 20 years late. The date defaulted back to the year 2,000 and there is no way of correcting it and no update currently available. To get the bike’s computer back in line you’ll probably also need to delink the auto time update.
Really? That's a new one on me!!!
Great review, I was just at my local dealers to organise a back to back between the 900 and a desert sled, the xc demo was available I might be buying that instead….
Thanks for this extreme good report, you have help me to take the right decision between XC and XE.
Excellent your cost budget, so I live in Spain and I have inclusively a little cheaper!!!
Start follow you mate!!
Thanks for the video Mr Flyer! Even though it isn't my kind of bike, at least your videos about it are great!
Did you forget to remove the bug magnet from your camera?
The bike looked huge when you were standing by it but not so much when you were seated on it.
On third thoughts those mirrors would touch your chin standing next to it? Good looking bike though.
The side bag suits the style of the bike. Nice to see some carrying capacity coming as standard
Think they’re an extra actually....
Hoorah you did it!
I bought one practically identical to the one you rode. I agree with everything you say about it.
Btw centre stand is optional extra. The XE is £800 more not 1800
Yes a few others have mentioned that - cheers - and glad we concur!!
Excellent detailed review!
Thank you kindly!
Great review, had a 2h test ride last Saturday and despite being a new rider, I found it really easy to get to grips with, feels agile in town compared with my 2016 nc750x. Something of a deal breaker for me though as a London commuter is the amount of heat from the engine and exhaust as you spend time in slow or stuck traffic. It got very uncomfortable although not burning sensation through my motorcycle jeans. Temperature was around 21C, sunny.
So not going for one on that basis then??
@@TheMissendenFlyer i am afraid so, and to an extent, that has dampened my interest in air cooled bikes, although most of those I fancy are (V85TT, Scrambler Icon in my top 5) and I know that only a test ride could clear that up but these are not easy to secure as if you believe the dealers, most buyer forego them. Never mind.
The Scrambler is a liquid cooled bike of course! My advice, never try a Panigale!!!
@@oliviermagere once you decat it, it's about 70% cooler. You can make it even cooler with a pipe wrap I ride mine in slow traffic in super hot Southern California. I'm a partial dirt bike rider and always leave my right leg far from the bike with my left leg high up, hooked over the bike when I stop at the lights. It's comfortable and prevents even the reduced remaining heat from affecting you.
Great review.!..Have looked through many of your reviews, and even your how to wash a bike vid, even after 30 yrs biking theres always more to learn :-) . Have been considering one of these xc's..but the new slightly higher hp 900 scrambler is also tempting. Would be interesting to see your comparison to the lower hp 900cc some time!! Subscribed.!
Did you see my review of the scrambler 900 from some time back?
@@TheMissendenFlyer found it....thanks..!
@@TheMissendenFlyer sure you've only reviewed the older 54hp model
You made a really detailed review of the bike, I also prefer the xc over the xe for road use, and I like in particular this black version. I’m considering buying this motorcycle, so I found this review very useful 👍🏻
Glad to help!
Nicely done as always TMF. Thanks again.
Best bike review I have seen yet! Subscribing for sure. I'm on the fence tho with the purchase. I want one so bad but keep telling myself to wait for a used one.
Welcome along Derek!
The plastic fuel cap wasn’t locked. To lock/unlock it you need to use a key.
The fuel cap was unlocked - it's a manual lock so will not open without the key if locked... ( I have the XE) :-)
Agreed I always leave mine unlocked. So much easier.
@@s7ephene Me too !
I also have a K1600B - BMW do it differently, no manual key but the cap stays unlocked for a couple of mins after switch off do you can open it to refuel...
Great review. Really got me thinking about pulling the trigger on one 🤔 thanks 👍
picked mine up on Friday. happy with the choice ;)
Congratulations!
I tried the XE scrambler, the Bobber and the Speed Twin last year. The Bobber was fun but a bit of a gimmick and not too comfortable. The XE was a great over bumps and would definately be the tool if you had a passenger. It was the speed twin that blew me away though, just such a fun and involving ride if you just want a Sunday blat.
Yeah it was the Speed Twin that I bought too ;0)
Don't we know :-) I bought a KTM but maybe another bike in the spring
Great review Andy! Thank you! I really like the sound of this bike and I would be keen to get one, but they only sell the XE version in South Africa... Cheers, Jase
Sharp assessment!!! The bike needs a wind screen/shield and a luggage rack for my backpack!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Long awaited, much appreciated. Enjoying my XC Scrambler. Very useful insights of yours, thank you. As to the switch-gear, I found that the high beam switch got in the way, so perhaps it may be the way my fingers are designed. I agree with hefting it about - quite difficult and I'm 5'10. Perhaps it's the way the weight is carried. I found however, it's was nice to ride on slow speed maneuvers. It feels as though it should be easier to heft about. As to all the other good points, this bike is my magic carpet and a silver lining to any clouds that darken my horizon. Who would think a machine could do that? Thanks again and scramble on.
Thanks for watching and for stopping by- glad we concur on the pros and cons. Enjoy!
I don’t like the exhaust and some other modern parts. The speed twin on the other hand is beautiful.
Very thorough and insightful review!
Good to hear from you as ever Pete!
Very good review Tmf . I like the looks . thanks from Danny 😊
Lovely In depth Review.....
Thoroughly enjoyed watching it.
Covered all the aspects, I just want to know 2 more things
1.Hows the seat.
2.Can the bike tour comfortably, for 1000kms a day on 4 lane motorways?
1. Good and 2 Yes no problem
Thanks....Your confirmation is valuable as am considering this as my next bike....
The only negative for me is the brown seat. I'd rather the Speed twin but both great bikes. Cheers.
Me too ;0)
My 2016 Multistrada S has illuminated switchgear, FWIW.
Good review. Keep meaning to ask what product to have on your garage floor.
It's from Costco...can't remember the brand though
Very impressive bike and a very informative review. A lot to like. I'd prefer the 900 for a mixture of road, off road. Not as heavy or bulky. Pluses with this bike are wire wheels, centre stand. Did the pipe push your, foot/knee into an uncomfortable position? Vibration tolerable. Heated grips?
Fantastic review. I’m loving the classic looking bikes at the moment and am thinking of chopping my Fireblade in for either a Bonnaville or Scrambler! 👍🏼🏍
You must be getting old!
TheMissendenFlyer - haha, definitely the wrong side of 45 now! 😩
liked the long term review Andy
OH I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!
Question - Benelli TRK 502 X - No one has really done a proper video on this bike - I really like your style - would love to hear your thoughts on what I think is potentially an amazing first BIG and Affordable (£5500) ADV bike for beginners
Yes I like the look of 'em I must say - not sure how i could get hold of one to review though....
I still think you should buy an allroad bike. It can do everything a scrambler does better. Much better weather protection, much better luggage capacity.
Bigger fuel tank. No hot exhaust against your or the passenger’s leg.
Many thanks for this. I’m buying one. George
Super review. Good work fella.
Thank you Paul!
So, I have watched your reviews on the 2015, 2017, and now the 2019 Triumph Street Scrambler and have enjoyed them all. My question is, out of all of them, which would you recommend for an average person (without a big budget) wanting to commute to work occasionally but would enjoy mainly for a weekend cruise? I'd appreciate your forthright advice and opinion. Thank you and I love your channel!
I’d go for a Street scrambler rather than the 1200 - get the newest one you can afford...
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thank you Sir for the reply! I'm kind of curious though, I subscribed to your channel a few years ago and just realized that somehow I was 'unsubscribed', not sure how that happened but I definitely subscribed again! Thank you for your wonderful channel! -Steve-
Another Interesting review. I like the way you do these reviews in the same formate every time so as a viewer we can take what we want to know. Thanks again. Neil.
Glad you like 'em Neil - my thinking is that I cover the sorts of things Id like to know if i were buying a particular bike....
Fuel cap looks just like a Speed Twin (hey you know that). Someone couldn't have locked it or it's broken. I wonder how pessimistic the "miles remaining" is ? On my Speed Twin I've working it out to about 26 miles pessimistic. i.e. if it says say 26 miles remaining , there's still a gallon in the tank, that would do about 52 miles.
I had a sit on one at the Triumph dealers, I'm 5 foot 11 inches about 31 inch inside leg. I found I could flat foot.
Otherwise nice bike, but not my style, I'll stick with the Speed Twin and Street Triple S. Although I'd like the larger tank of the Scrambler 1200s on my Speed Twin.
Good review.thx for sharing.Any review about Ducati scrambler sports pro?
Nothing planned I’m afraid…
@TheMissendenFlyer That’s all right.thx.
Lovely bike and I suspect it's a better road bike than its taller XE brother. Still not keen on keyless but comprehensive review thank you.
Thank you for watching as ever BM!
You need the key to operate the steering lock as well as the fuel cap.... 🤔
@@andrewroberts5416 Had a nightmare with a Multistrada electronic steering lock and keyless, needless to say it stranded me. don't want or like keyless
I just realised that you are pulling into a fuel station that I often used when I lived in the UK, I am with the company up the road opposite the fuel station in Fowlmere. I thought the road looked familiar 🤣👍🏻👍🏻🇦🇺
Excellent review ...I had a short test ride here in Brazil in a hot day about 33°C I felt a heat from the exhaust, I don't know if the H-pipe would resolve it or not.
Great review, the seat height would suit me, looks like a fun machine