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Besides the ridiculously high frame rate and obvious uncanny valley issue, Gemini Man tripped up because literally everyone knows what young Will looked like. They had to go back to Season 1 of Fresh Prince.
Frame rates over 30 fps sends EVERYTHING into either uncanny valley or the "soap opera" look. I remember seeing The Hobbit in a movie theatre (ok, it was the sequel) and it just looked like a bunch of guys running around in the woods playing wizard.
@@Dhakadice That's because it didn't have the LoTR budget to properly build the props and hire a bunch of extras. Also, too many stupid videogame elements.
I had the same problem with a movie called Noble House. It starred a younger Pierce Brosnan aged up with makeup and gray hair to look like an older version of himself. But it doesn’t match how he actually has aged, as seen in his many films.
@@grutarg2938not the same at all. Youre talking about a reference that didnt exist until decades later and the discussion is about facial references from decades earlier....
The complete CGI shot of Smith on the motorcycle brandishing the pistol was the single most convincing live-action-replacement shot I’ve ever seen. It makes Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One look like video game NPCs. WETA engineers are geniuses. The pore, melanin, and eye techniques are all game-changers. Incredible.
Agree with everything you said. Just think though what other shots you've seen and had no idea it was a CG character. Maybe you've seen better and didn't notice. That is what the artists are aiming for no?
It was definitely the "most" convincing, but personally I could still tell it was CGI. He moves too easily for that position, the muscles aren't giving the same details. The heada/shoulders in relation to the arms also seem a bit off. These may just be subconscious notices but it's there. Definitely very, *very* impressive though. They did great!
Corridor Crew should do an episode where they digitally replace themselves in the whole episode just to see if they can do it well enough no one notices.
Given that all their projects look subpar because they do it in a week, I doubt it. It would need to be a Corridor Digital video, but that wouldn't fly because that wouldn't be a "buzz catching" video.
Could you please explain the joke? I thought it was a play on words as poor/pore sound alike, but im too dumb to get it 😢 Edit: just saw what you were referring to, sorry -_-
While Weta's approach to realism is often more science than art, the talent and skill of the artists are the only way that approach could even work. Their models could literally be used for medical research purposes in some cases, and the level of detail and knowledge each artist utilizes is so vast and in-depth, they could almost be experts in the scientific fields of study of the real-life subjects they're tasked with recreating. I'm constantly amazed by the work they do, and it's awesome to see and hear them talk about their craft. Great episode.
Don't forget though that behind every cutting-edge modelling, texturing, and rendering technique, there are a bunch of programmers coming up with the algorithms and making sure they run as smoothly and quickly as possible. _They_ are the unsung heroes IMO. I was really excited when they had Paul Debevec on the couch the other week - a proper hero of mine he is.
It will always be so incredible to me how science-y vfx are. They almost need a human science/biology degree to be good at their job. When they talk about the muscles and melanin and eye structure it takes me back to my anatomy and physiology classes.
Please take a look at the special effects used in the Norwegian movies "Dead Snow" and "Dead Snow 2", since they managed to get really good effects from a budget that would be comparable to just _talking_ to a special effects team in the US 🙂
@@hulkhatepunybanner Yes and if you've been watching Corridor for any length of time you'll know that realism isn't and shouldn't be the goal most of the time
@@zeikjt *It is art and we suspend disbelief all of the time with motion pictures. But it's very evident, by modeling each and every single feather on Eagly, that realism was the intended goal here.* All I'm saying is making small animals move in slow motion makes them appear less real.
I could listen to about 10 more minutes of talk on how skin pigmentation and pores work. Fascinating stuff. Also, the pun game was so strong in this episode. I'm proud of y'all.
It's awesome to see the bts of awesome CGI, but I think it would be interesting to have the guests telling about their bad CGI/VFX, to see what happened and what went wrong
@@nikolajjensen4453 Sure, but it could be about old stuff, or low-budget stuff, and it could be nice to see good stuff too (the show is literally titled "reacts to Bad and Great CGI" after all)
It's rare but it has happened. The Mummy scene with the Rock as the scorpion king comes to mind in which the guest said that the Rock was in a different project at the time so they couldn't get any reference and such, so they just had to make do with what they had in the time they had.
Y'know with the unerring feed of negativity through the Internet, I like seeing good work. It's good being away from the "haha that was so bad" part of UA-cam for the most part. This is a nice ratio of good and bad on this channel.
Please do a special video about the evolution of special effects and the milestones that were achieved between 1985 and today and what movies they were achieved in, like first cloth simulation, first ray-tracing, first HDRI lighting, first motion capture performance, first realistic water simulation, first realistic physics simulation etc.
Yeah, the eagle in Pacemaker is amazing but Mathew the raven in the Sandman just blew my mind, so well done that you don't even think about when you're watching the show. I'd like to here your opinion and how it was done.
yet they fail, Will Smith looks like an game cut scene character and eagle look like a stock cgi eagle with some bad acting from John Cena who's not even looking at it when they are close in the garage
Well yeah, even as a 2D artist you need to learn anatomy, this is not something new lol. Takeaway should be more that they need time and tolerance to reach stuff like this, two things that big companies are giving less and less of.
@Osama-KIN_TMZ01 I know way too many people who try to draw and have zero knowledge of anatomy. My comment wasn't for me, it was for people who want to be an artist who see my comment.
@@kylecarter1599 And I know way too many people who try to model and have zero knowledge of anatomy. Obviously, I wasn't talking about you, I was saying that it is not something to boast about as it is the bare minimum you should be learning in most artistic mediums, anatomy I mean, same with learning perspective. I'm talking in the professional setting, but you can never be called a true visual artist if you don't understand the real thing.
I always love hearing the background to some of these super high level VFX shots. Especially when it's like, "Hey this shot looks so good, how'd you get it to look so real?" And their response is just "Oh yeah that, it's because we physically simulated it with 100% scientific accuracy."
The bit about the melanin density being affected by the stretching, and contributing to how the skin looks like, is just a level of attention to minuscule detail that only people at the very forefront of vfx could even begin to think about. WETA, Guy Williams, a salute going your way!
@@ZeroPrimeSigma they were talking about pore-stretching and he said the solution was a "poor man's version." Think "poor" vs. "pore." Or were you talking about the Cena joke? That one wasn't a pun.
I guess that's why some scenes in Gemini man looked super uncanny valley, but others were spot on. I'll take a gander that the spot-on ones were done by WETA. That tech he's describing with the pores and the colors shifting of the sub-surface is really mind blowing. The eyes stuff too... no more faking it with textures they really just built an entire eye. WOW.
some of the issues in that movie visually had a lot to do with the decision to use 120fps. watching it at 60fps it makes the movements look too rapid and makes the CGI stand out way too much especially during the chase scene.
Had the privilege of working at Weta way back during the LOTR days, and know Guy from back then. Even then, the rigging and rendering were top notch, and it's only gotten better since. The amount of thought and attention to the tiny details is amazing. I gotta say, though - we did a camera pull through an open wound at Valve in Meet The Pyro, way back in 2012.
I've been watching Carnival Row on Prime, and have been very impressed by the wide range of VFX they have in that show. Pixies and their large insect-like wings (that often wrap around people as well like the eagle wings), and so much creature VFX.
Just watched Black Narcissus (1947), and was amazed at how well a London backlot was seamlessly transformed into the movie's setting on top of a Himalayan mountain. Gorgeous effects that hold up today, IMO. Would love to see the Corridor Crew discuss it.
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I’d love an episode all on car stunts & special effects. Start with Grand Prix (Frankenheimer), Ronin, Le Mans, and the original Gone in 60 Seconds. The director commentary for Grand Prix has some insane details about how they captured the angles in Monaco, including flying a helicopter so low that the cameraman had leaves stuck to his ankles 😅. It’s so tough to get realistic car stunts, and very few movies & shows actually do it right. Jackie Chan has a car movie also, Thunderbolt, which is also great fun… I’d also love to see an episode where it’s all comedy movies/TV shows because there are sometimes WILD stunt gags that end up under the radar. Keep up the great work, y’all!!
I love when someone talks with so much love for what he/she does and Guy Williams gives that vibe. One might think it's just an explanation but it's their art
There was an episode of the "Farscape" TV series that opened on a closeup of a pair of eyes, and you could feel the grief and sorrow radiating from them (a major character had died at the end of the previous episode). Then the camera pulled back, revealing that it was Rygel, one of the puppets created by The Jim Henson Company. They got more emotion from a puppet than a lot of human actors can manage.
Farscape is one of the best sci-fi shows ever made. You could feel the love that was put into every character. I really wish I could one day watch a remake movie directed by James Gunn. He already said he was inspired by Farscape to make GotG.
I think it would be really interesting if you guys reacted to the Narnia. Some of those VFX were done by Weta as well. A lot of great effects in those movies, especially considering they were made 13-20 years ago. Check out the “water god” scene at the end of Narnia: Prince Caspian, plus all the CGI non-human characters - the beavers, Asian the lion, Reepicheep the mouse, the centaurs, the fawns, etc. so many great VFX
Knowledge husk released a video a year ago called “early cgi was horrifying”. I think it would be a cool idea to do a video on the earliest forms of cgi as far back as the 1960s and seeing how cgi improved in the following years.
@@cineturon not in movies, but there were videos demonstrating very early forms of computer graphics in the 1960s, way before they would be implemented in film eventually.
Absolutely loved the peek into the pore workflow and tech. Having spent a LOT of time making characters for games this is exactly the kind of thing that gets me excited. The way the skin tone shifts with movement, pore stretching/skin creasing and even with all that, I can immediately tell it's a CG face. But, it's soo good. We are getting closer and closer to CG being indistinguishable from reality, the problem is our eyes/mind are trained to notice some incredibly subtle things about faces and how they animate, many of which we don't even realize until someone points it out. And the eyes.... The bane of every 3d artist trying to make realistic looking characters in a real time medium..... Awesome video as always!
I’d love an episode (or a bunch) focused on title and credit sequences. That can also dip into motion graphic design, but I think there is some good overlap with VFX, Animators, and Motion Designers that would be super interesting. Also maybe a sound designers react.
These videos really put into perspective that people take CGI for granted way too much... I remember people absolutely demolishing Gemini Man and She-Hulk's CGI saying it looked terrible when it's actually some of the most advanced digital characters out there. I will never take that kind of work for granted because every time I watch these breakdowns my mind is blown away by the amount of things I couldn't even imagine you'd have to consider when making these effects.
The technology behind it could be as afvanced as it ever could be but if at the end of the day it looks like shit then it looks like shit. The high end generative models are some of the most complex things humans have EVER made in terms of technical and data prowess yet at the end of the day people still bash it, because off the results are still not great.
Yeah...the thing people don't get is that different things (also depending on context) bring different levels of challenge. Making a rigid cube look real is not the same challenge as making a human look real, and making a human *who talks* look real is so much more complicated than making one who doesn't, etc.. And lighting, hair, it all contributes to how challenging it is to reach perfect photorealism. It's not like Iron Man's suit is equal to She-Hulk's face in terms of difficulty of making it look passably realistic. Or even the Hulk vs MODOK. MODOK being more human-looking inherently raises the threshold. The sheer amount of footage needed is also a factor, because the work gets spread thin if there are a lot of shots to do. What people call "bad CGI" is so often a misunderstanding of how different the thresholds are for different things.
@@xmatobujnakx That too. The closest reference you have for hulks is...the actors playing them. And matching all that detail, not just of form but of movement, is...a lot. And then you have to solve the color problem, which is affected by lighting and, again, movement, as well, because a hulk isn't supposed to look like a human with green paint on. The green is supposed to be under the skin, and there's no perfect reference for that. Dp you treat it as green melanin? Green blood? Those are different effects (and I'm sure they tried both while experimenting just to see what looks better). And then that has to work in low light scenarios as well as bright lamps, natural sunlight, diffuse sunlight, etc... And personally, I think the only lighting scenario where they didn't quite get there was inside the GLK&H building (which had big windows PLUS reflective interior PLUS electric lights, so that's just a whole shitstorm of complicated lighting to match). So of course people zero in on those specific shots (or worse, unfinished shots from the first trailer) to say that She-Hulk looks notably bad in the entire show, when that just simply isn't true. There were plenty of shots where she looks about as good as I've ever seen a CGI human look, and that's especially remarkable for a TV show, considering just how many effects shots it had to have. Comparing it to for example the Martian Manhunter in the Supergirl TV show, it's a huge difference, and a big part of that is how little time that show had to spend on post production per episode.
The haters couldn’t even make 20 seconds of these shots. I know the CG is sometimes not perfect, but that’s okay. That’s how technology advances thru progress and mistakes along the way.
That Guardians scene is just so well choreographed it's insane. Everyone's basically having their own story throughout that all intertwine. Just seeing that vs the Last Jedi throne room scene really shows what good choreo looks like
When I got around to watching She Hulk I couldn't fathom why I had heard so many complaints about the effects. To my eye everything was pretty damn convincing. Can't escape the feeling that yes, you're expecting CG so you're looking for the tiny flaws. At the end of the day everything was up to big budget movie levels for a TV show. Pretty fun show to boot. Had fun watching it.
i think the biggest issue with she hulk was the decision to go the typical movie/tv bs "we need to make her look sexy as the hulk".. if she portrayed "hulk" closer to the actual character i think less people would of had an issue with it. she's suppose to be a bada... but instead she just looks like a green alien that reminds me a lot of the Martian Girl from Mars Attacks!. it was just poor decission making by production and the CGI team did their best to work with it.
I think part of it is the lighting. The models look great. The movement is fine. The lighting is just off in most scenes, making them look like they aren't really there.
You guys should definitely check out episode 11, season 2 of Legion. 2 of the most powerful telepaths battling with crazy visuals! Its pretty hard to show telepathic abilities on screen without it looking weird but this is just a creative showpiece of storytelling.
Hey! You and I must be the only fans of that show. That wasn’t really a cgi extravaganza, but it was interesting. Shame that show didn’t work out as well as I’d hoped, but at least they tried something unique. First season is amazing. Kinda feel apart a bit later on, but I’m a huge fan. ❤
Suggestion: Can you guys react to the time travel graphics from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventures? There should be a video that shows what happened behind the scenes.
I worked on Vol. 3 during principal photography in Atlanta and got to see a few bits and pieces rehearsals for that hallway fight. Our stunt team was amazing. And I worked in the office next to Steph! he was great.
Where’d all the colour go? The final product looks like moving concrete. All the colours are washed out. I swear every marvel movie has this cheap look since Disney took over. The visuals have been abysmal since they took over marvel, let alone the story telling.
would be cool if it was a superman and lois and smallville double episode to truly show what the CW alone was able to achieve with superman within 20 years time
I will say the only effects I still like (only because no other effect has done this and is the effect is still dated) are the heart vision. I love how he just shoots heat and not laser.
Haha honestly? Compared to most of phase 4 & 5s dumpster fire it was like a solid B, obviously Spidey/moon knight/guardians/Loki were the only quality exceptions, but it wasn't neeeearly as bad as black widow/multiverse madness/secret invasions garbage nonsense writing. I swear after endgame it's like they fired anyone with writing skills and brought in 11th graders using AI.. quantumania? That was his FIRST SCREENPLAY. It's insane how far the quality dropped.
I recently watched all 3 live-action Full Metal Alchemist films, and often found myself wondering if Alphonse in difference scenes were a digi-double, or an actor in a real suit. I think it would be neat to have VAR episode trying to break down the effects from those films.
@@Shaki123 I'm a visual effects artist and i've worked in film for 30 years. Their effects were largely practical. The monsters were almost exclusively costumes and makeup. A few stop action miniatures. If you look through the fandom directory you will be hard pressed to find enough CGI shots to fill an episode. The phoenix, a hellhound, a fire beast, maybe the occasional lightning bolt. Remember the show came out in 1995. Rendering the simplest of CGI effects would have literally taken months. Having rendered effects back then I promise you i'm not exaggerating. It would have taken MONTHS. So there isn't much there to talk about. However you could fill hours and hours of content on stuntmen reacts.
I'd love to see some reactions to some of the space battles that took place in the Expanse. They use realistic physics as the base and have a very distinct style and strategy for how the battles take place.
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She Hulk looks so plasticky and 90s CGI.. Disney wasted that TV show, no wonder it flopped
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Besides the ridiculously high frame rate and obvious uncanny valley issue, Gemini Man tripped up because literally everyone knows what young Will looked like. They had to go back to Season 1 of Fresh Prince.
Frame rates over 30 fps sends EVERYTHING into either uncanny valley or the "soap opera" look.
I remember seeing The Hobbit in a movie theatre (ok, it was the sequel) and it just looked like a bunch of guys running around in the woods playing wizard.
Bet your lying
@@Dhakadice That's because it didn't have the LoTR budget to properly build the props and hire a bunch of extras. Also, too many stupid videogame elements.
I had the same problem with a movie called Noble House. It starred a younger Pierce Brosnan aged up with makeup and gray hair to look like an older version of himself. But it doesn’t match how he actually has aged, as seen in his many films.
@@grutarg2938not the same at all. Youre talking about a reference that didnt exist until decades later and the discussion is about facial references from decades earlier....
The complete CGI shot of Smith on the motorcycle brandishing the pistol was the single most convincing live-action-replacement shot I’ve ever seen. It makes Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One look like video game NPCs.
WETA engineers are geniuses. The pore, melanin, and eye techniques are all game-changers. Incredible.
I agree, but bear in mind that this film is almost 4 years old, so the technology will be even more advanced now!
They DID look like high quality video game NPCs.
Agree with everything you said. Just think though what other shots you've seen and had no idea it was a CG character. Maybe you've seen better and didn't notice. That is what the artists are aiming for no?
@@EGOS42 Yes. Ive seen films that seemingly had no CGI, then discovered they had lots. The effects were invisible and completely seamless.
It was definitely the "most" convincing, but personally I could still tell it was CGI. He moves too easily for that position, the muscles aren't giving the same details. The heada/shoulders in relation to the arms also seem a bit off. These may just be subconscious notices but it's there.
Definitely very, *very* impressive though. They did great!
Corridor Crew should do an episode where they digitally replace themselves in the whole episode just to see if they can do it well enough no one notices.
Who is to say they haven't already?
just swap their heads in deep fake.
that would be so much work to look realistic...
No. They replace one person. At a time. And it changes which one it is throughout the show.
Given that all their projects look subpar because they do it in a week, I doubt it. It would need to be a Corridor Digital video, but that wouldn't fly because that wouldn't be a "buzz catching" video.
To be fair I think Jordan’s John Cena joke was extremely well placed 😂
Could you please explain the joke?
I thought it was a play on words as poor/pore sound alike, but im too dumb to get it 😢
Edit: just saw what you were referring to, sorry -_-
"I give that joke a C-plus." No, I give that joke a Ce-Na!
And more importantly: it was mandatory
great bingchiling moment.
I think we just discovered Jordan’s burner account. 😂
While Weta's approach to realism is often more science than art, the talent and skill of the artists are the only way that approach could even work. Their models could literally be used for medical research purposes in some cases, and the level of detail and knowledge each artist utilizes is so vast and in-depth, they could almost be experts in the scientific fields of study of the real-life subjects they're tasked with recreating. I'm constantly amazed by the work they do, and it's awesome to see and hear them talk about their craft. Great episode.
Just like they said in the previous episode, these guys are scientists
Like, immediately naming off the terminology for the bird's anatomy. That shit's nuts!
Don't forget though that behind every cutting-edge modelling, texturing, and rendering technique, there are a bunch of programmers coming up with the algorithms and making sure they run as smoothly and quickly as possible. _They_ are the unsung heroes IMO. I was really excited when they had Paul Debevec on the couch the other week - a proper hero of mine he is.
They probably just google “what are feathers made out of” and then just do a little bit of research but the scientists still do the science work.
@@milanhilferink4051Tell me you know nothing without telling me you know nothing
It will always be so incredible to me how science-y vfx are. They almost need a human science/biology degree to be good at their job. When they talk about the muscles and melanin and eye structure it takes me back to my anatomy and physiology classes.
If you want to make something look like real life, you gotta know how real life works.
I just learned things about melanin and eye structure. :p
Anytime someone from Weta or ILM drops by is always incredible
And Red Chillies VFX. Those are always fun
That Will Smith close up on the bike is INSANE. You can not tell it was CG. Hats of to Weta
Please take a look at the special effects used in the Norwegian movies "Dead Snow" and "Dead Snow 2", since they managed to get really good effects from a budget that would be comparable to just _talking_ to a special effects team in the US 🙂
The tongue flapping around when the eagle rides in a car with the window rolled down like a dog is what sells that shot and I absolutely love it
That Will Smith head replacement (current, not the aged down one) was insane. I've never seen a digital face look that good.
I agree, and this film is almost 4 years old, so the technology is even more advanced now.
Peacemaker was a really damn good show, and Eagly was super well done!
Also I never skipped intro.
Dude john cena was well done more ! We actually got to see him. Props to weta
*The eagle looked fake.* They keep doing its movements in slow motion. Compare that to the eagle that slapped Wren which is moving naturally fast.
@@hulkhatepunybanner Yes and if you've been watching Corridor for any length of time you'll know that realism isn't and shouldn't be the goal most of the time
@@zeikjt *It is art and we suspend disbelief all of the time with motion pictures. But it's very evident, by modeling each and every single feather on Eagly, that realism was the intended goal here.* All I'm saying is making small animals move in slow motion makes them appear less real.
That pore effect was unreal. Definitely worth a video.
The “Poor Man approach” line was also unreal
I believe they took the "Pore Man's" approach
There are videos about the research paper
I could listen to about 10 more minutes of talk on how skin pigmentation and pores work. Fascinating stuff. Also, the pun game was so strong in this episode. I'm proud of y'all.
I always can't get over how good Rocket's CG is each film & the fact that it keeps looking better. They deserve all the praise.
The more i watch vfx artist react the more i realize that the best artists understand human anatomy to the level of a doctor.
It's awesome to see the bts of awesome CGI, but I think it would be interesting to have the guests telling about their bad CGI/VFX, to see what happened and what went wrong
I could imagine it would be bad business for the guest if they criticise stuff openly
@@nikolajjensen4453 Sure, but it could be about old stuff, or low-budget stuff, and it could be nice to see good stuff too (the show is literally titled "reacts to Bad and Great CGI" after all)
Like Gemini Man maybe?... That movie looked rough.
It's rare but it has happened.
The Mummy scene with the Rock as the scorpion king comes to mind in which the guest said that the Rock was in a different project at the time so they couldn't get any reference and such, so they just had to make do with what they had in the time they had.
Y'know with the unerring feed of negativity through the Internet, I like seeing good work. It's good being away from the "haha that was so bad" part of UA-cam for the most part. This is a nice ratio of good and bad on this channel.
Those eyes in She-Hulk are incredible. Bringing depth and presence to the eyes has been such a challenge. Guy and the Wētā FX team have done wonders!
@@kruleworldit was a good show. Yall were crying that the cgi was bad. Now that profcinals tell you its good you just move your goal post
@@theendofitthey just glazing the dude cuz he worked on it obv don’t be naive
@@theendofit The show was utter garbage.
@@kruleworld ya'll are really bad at picking up context. I've seen this thrown around a hundred times and its embarrassing for ya'll every single time
@@kruleworld Damn yall are really still crying over this show.
Please do a special video about the evolution of special effects and the milestones that were achieved between 1985 and today and what movies they were achieved in, like first cloth simulation, first ray-tracing, first HDRI lighting, first motion capture performance, first realistic water simulation, first realistic physics simulation etc.
Honestly I think the ILM documentary "Light and Magic" is a good resource.
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I don't want to hear it from ILM though, I want to hear it from them.
They do, every week, It's called VFX artists react
While I like this idea, I feel that concept is better served in a video essay, which corridor crew doesn't seem to do
@@brian728 Um no, what OP described is not what they do for VFX artists react.
Yeah, the eagle in Pacemaker is amazing but Mathew the raven in the Sandman just blew my mind, so well done that you don't even think about when you're watching the show. I'd like to here your opinion and how it was done.
you guys could easily do multiple episodes on just Scott Pilgrim vs the World. It has VFX, animation, stunts, fights, everything.
Terrible movie but agreed, has some nice stuff in it
@@Elias6233 how is it a terrible movie? It's one of the best from the early 2010s
God yes, a fantastic movie!! Please do an episode on Scott Pilgrim
That movie blows tho. Just because it had a few video game references doesn't make it good.
Just because you say it blows doesn't make it bad ;)@@yomammasaurusrex9571
So nice to see that they've grown so much in this show, they been receiving these iconic guests on the show, we're so proud of yall
The main takeaway from this video should be how Weta learns anatomy to make CG characters look real
yet they fail, Will Smith looks like an game cut scene character and eagle look like a stock cgi eagle with some bad acting from John Cena who's not even looking at it when they are close in the garage
it should be about how badly Marvel treats their VFX artists.
Well yeah, even as a 2D artist you need to learn anatomy, this is not something new lol. Takeaway should be more that they need time and tolerance to reach stuff like this, two things that big companies are giving less and less of.
@Osama-KIN_TMZ01 I know way too many people who try to draw and have zero knowledge of anatomy. My comment wasn't for me, it was for people who want to be an artist who see my comment.
@@kylecarter1599 And I know way too many people who try to model and have zero knowledge of anatomy. Obviously, I wasn't talking about you, I was saying that it is not something to boast about as it is the bare minimum you should be learning in most artistic mediums, anatomy I mean, same with learning perspective. I'm talking in the professional setting, but you can never be called a true visual artist if you don't understand the real thing.
I always love hearing the background to some of these super high level VFX shots.
Especially when it's like, "Hey this shot looks so good, how'd you get it to look so real?"
And their response is just "Oh yeah that, it's because we physically simulated it with 100% scientific accuracy."
This is my favourite episode so far, Guy's in-depth knowledge of these super advanced topics is fascinating
Jordan's crushing it. I hope he never "outgrows" Corridor and only helps the whole team elevate; he's a treasure.
Jordan was absolutely on fire this episode! 😂
The bit about the melanin density being affected by the stretching, and contributing to how the skin looks like, is just a level of attention to minuscule detail that only people at the very forefront of vfx could even begin to think about. WETA, Guy Williams, a salute going your way!
Jordan, never be embarassed about puns. Keep them coming.
I dont understand the pun...
That was the moment that earned my like on the video. :)
@@ZeroPrimeSigma they were talking about pore-stretching and he said the solution was a "poor man's version." Think "poor" vs. "pore."
Or were you talking about the Cena joke? That one wasn't a pun.
@@rome8180 ohh ok. ye that was the one. Ty
Absolutely. Pore them I’m
Video Game: Castlevania Lords Of Shadows 2 cinematic trailer.
TV Show: Doctor Who Season 12, Revolution Of The Daleks, timestamp 59:15 - 1:01:23.
Props to Griffin for his awesome work on thumbnails. Very underrated and underappreciated part of the team! 👍
I guess that's why some scenes in Gemini man looked super uncanny valley, but others were spot on. I'll take a gander that the spot-on ones were done by WETA. That tech he's describing with the pores and the colors shifting of the sub-surface is really mind blowing. The eyes stuff too... no more faking it with textures they really just built an entire eye. WOW.
some of the issues in that movie visually had a lot to do with the decision to use 120fps. watching it at 60fps it makes the movements look too rapid and makes the CGI stand out way too much especially during the chase scene.
I’d love to see an episode focusing on The Princess Bride and all the special effects in it. The cliff climb comes into mind
@@thomasbecker9676 Not VFX? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Had the privilege of working at Weta way back during the LOTR days, and know Guy from back then. Even then, the rigging and rendering were top notch, and it's only gotten better since. The amount of thought and attention to the tiny details is amazing. I gotta say, though - we did a camera pull through an open wound at Valve in Meet The Pyro, way back in 2012.
I've been watching Carnival Row on Prime, and have been very impressed by the wide range of VFX they have in that show. Pixies and their large insect-like wings (that often wrap around people as well like the eagle wings), and so much creature VFX.
Just watched Black Narcissus (1947), and was amazed at how well a London backlot was seamlessly transformed into the movie's setting on top of a Himalayan mountain. Gorgeous effects that hold up today, IMO. Would love to see the Corridor Crew discuss it.
Thanks Jordan for the genuine belly laughs :D
And what a guest! woah!
I think we're at the stage boys where you all need to get your butts down to Wellington New Zealand for a full on behind the scenes special series.
When I saw gotg vol.3 I was super excited to see you guys cover that hallway fight scene super glad you guys finally took a look at it
Shootout to Griffin for being open about taking steps towards recognizing he needed someone to talk to while going through a rough spot in life…big dub
I’d love an episode all on car stunts & special effects. Start with Grand Prix (Frankenheimer), Ronin, Le Mans, and the original Gone in 60 Seconds. The director commentary for Grand Prix has some insane details about how they captured the angles in Monaco, including flying a helicopter so low that the cameraman had leaves stuck to his ankles 😅. It’s so tough to get realistic car stunts, and very few movies & shows actually do it right. Jackie Chan has a car movie also, Thunderbolt, which is also great fun… I’d also love to see an episode where it’s all comedy movies/TV shows because there are sometimes WILD stunt gags that end up under the radar. Keep up the great work, y’all!!
YES!! I am so happy they looked at Eagley, he looks so good in the show it's crazy. Great show too.
Jordans pun was absolutely gold!😂😂😂
The amount of detail and knowledge that goes into this craft is just….. insane.
"Ironically though it is the poor man's approach."
You guys are amazing!!
pore.
Loved the video guys and loved thumbnail as always Griffin
This show is so consistently FIRE!!
I love when someone talks with so much love for what he/she does and Guy Williams gives that vibe. One might think it's just an explanation but it's their art
There was an episode of the "Farscape" TV series that opened on a closeup of a pair of eyes, and you could feel the grief and sorrow radiating from them (a major character had died at the end of the previous episode). Then the camera pulled back, revealing that it was Rygel, one of the puppets created by The Jim Henson Company. They got more emotion from a puppet than a lot of human actors can manage.
The animatronics in that show were amazing. As was the show itself. Very underrated too, it's hardly ever mentioned in any of the sci-fi rundowns.
Farscape is one of the best sci-fi shows ever made. You could feel the love that was put into every character. I really wish I could one day watch a remake movie directed by James Gunn. He already said he was inspired by Farscape to make GotG.
@@brunobertoline3003 Sorbo was on Tim Pool last week talking about Farscape so this is super relevant lol
The camerawork in volume 3 is just fantastic...i didnt appreciate it enough on first watch but god does it help for rewatch value...
I think it would be really interesting if you guys reacted to the Narnia. Some of those VFX were done by Weta as well. A lot of great effects in those movies, especially considering they were made 13-20 years ago. Check out the “water god” scene at the end of Narnia: Prince Caspian, plus all the CGI non-human characters - the beavers, Asian the lion, Reepicheep the mouse, the centaurs, the fawns, etc. so many great VFX
They need to compare the narnia movies to the old BBC versions in visual effects.
Love when you guys bring on incredible guests like this
Knowledge husk released a video a year ago called “early cgi was horrifying”. I think it would be a cool idea to do a video on the earliest forms of cgi as far back as the 1960s and seeing how cgi improved in the following years.
There was no computer generated imagery in movies in the 1960’s. I believe “Westworld” was the first one to implement some, in 1973.
@@cineturon not in movies, but there were videos demonstrating very early forms of computer graphics in the 1960s, way before they would be implemented in film eventually.
Absolutely loved the peek into the pore workflow and tech. Having spent a LOT of time making characters for games this is exactly the kind of thing that gets me excited. The way the skin tone shifts with movement, pore stretching/skin creasing and even with all that, I can immediately tell it's a CG face. But, it's soo good. We are getting closer and closer to CG being indistinguishable from reality, the problem is our eyes/mind are trained to notice some incredibly subtle things about faces and how they animate, many of which we don't even realize until someone points it out.
And the eyes.... The bane of every 3d artist trying to make realistic looking characters in a real time medium.....
Awesome video as always!
I’d love an episode (or a bunch) focused on title and credit sequences. That can also dip into motion graphic design, but I think there is some good overlap with VFX, Animators, and Motion Designers that would be super interesting.
Also maybe a sound designers react.
One scene worth looking at is from the movie The Walk. The scene where Gordon Lewitt is crossing the two world trade centers
I feel like if that guy wasn’t a guest they would be roasting these examples…Gemini Man and She Hulk? 😂
i didnt think jordan would be able to top his see-more hoffman pun and yet here we are
Guardians vol. 3 was a frickin masterpiece, thanks for covering it!
"Feathers are just hairy sticks" made me laugh so loud i scared my dog awake 😂
These videos really put into perspective that people take CGI for granted way too much... I remember people absolutely demolishing Gemini Man and She-Hulk's CGI saying it looked terrible when it's actually some of the most advanced digital characters out there. I will never take that kind of work for granted because every time I watch these breakdowns my mind is blown away by the amount of things I couldn't even imagine you'd have to consider when making these effects.
The technology behind it could be as afvanced as it ever could be but if at the end of the day it looks like shit then it looks like shit. The high end generative models are some of the most complex things humans have EVER made in terms of technical and data prowess yet at the end of the day people still bash it, because off the results are still not great.
Yeah...the thing people don't get is that different things (also depending on context) bring different levels of challenge. Making a rigid cube look real is not the same challenge as making a human look real, and making a human *who talks* look real is so much more complicated than making one who doesn't, etc.. And lighting, hair, it all contributes to how challenging it is to reach perfect photorealism. It's not like Iron Man's suit is equal to She-Hulk's face in terms of difficulty of making it look passably realistic. Or even the Hulk vs MODOK. MODOK being more human-looking inherently raises the threshold. The sheer amount of footage needed is also a factor, because the work gets spread thin if there are a lot of shots to do.
What people call "bad CGI" is so often a misunderstanding of how different the thresholds are for different things.
@@Swenglish dont mention ..you dont have reference for hulks but you can build reference for ironman suit
@@xmatobujnakx That too. The closest reference you have for hulks is...the actors playing them. And matching all that detail, not just of form but of movement, is...a lot.
And then you have to solve the color problem, which is affected by lighting and, again, movement, as well, because a hulk isn't supposed to look like a human with green paint on. The green is supposed to be under the skin, and there's no perfect reference for that. Dp you treat it as green melanin? Green blood? Those are different effects (and I'm sure they tried both while experimenting just to see what looks better). And then that has to work in low light scenarios as well as bright lamps, natural sunlight, diffuse sunlight, etc... And personally, I think the only lighting scenario where they didn't quite get there was inside the GLK&H building (which had big windows PLUS reflective interior PLUS electric lights, so that's just a whole shitstorm of complicated lighting to match).
So of course people zero in on those specific shots (or worse, unfinished shots from the first trailer) to say that She-Hulk looks notably bad in the entire show, when that just simply isn't true. There were plenty of shots where she looks about as good as I've ever seen a CGI human look, and that's especially remarkable for a TV show, considering just how many effects shots it had to have. Comparing it to for example the Martian Manhunter in the Supergirl TV show, it's a huge difference, and a big part of that is how little time that show had to spend on post production per episode.
The haters couldn’t even make 20 seconds of these shots. I know the CG is sometimes not perfect, but that’s okay. That’s how technology advances thru progress and mistakes along the way.
the editing in this episode, especially with the eye explaination, was flawless, good job
The eagle looks amazing. Such a shame that they didn't get Cena's eyeline right. He's staring right through that eagle.
Weta guys are pure digital art. Amazing stuff... compliments
The level of detailed knowledge this dude has on human and avian anatomy is crazy considering he's a visual effect artist 😂
Ami Yamato would be a great guest to have on the couch!
GotG3 was the best film experience I’ve had in MANY years. One of the most underrated amazing films in the past 23 years.
Underrated?
@@joshuayee8374 as in, people aren’t talking about it nearly enough
I don’t think you know what underrated means my guy
That Gemini Man motorcycle shot blew me the f away. I love subtle shots where you're not supposed to think viz effects are involved.
That Guardians scene is just so well choreographed it's insane. Everyone's basically having their own story throughout that all intertwine.
Just seeing that vs the Last Jedi throne room scene really shows what good choreo looks like
It really is i could rewatch that scene for hours
Its insane how this series just keeps getting better.
These guests are no joke with their craft!!!👌
I FREAKING LOVE YOU GUYS! ❤ WATCHED SYNC FOR THE FIRST TIME. HAD A CHAT WITH THE MAIN LEAD AND I AM ALL PRAISE! IT WAS AN AMAZING MOVIE 👏👏👏 BRAVO
When I got around to watching She Hulk I couldn't fathom why I had heard so many complaints about the effects. To my eye everything was pretty damn convincing. Can't escape the feeling that yes, you're expecting CG so you're looking for the tiny flaws. At the end of the day everything was up to big budget movie levels for a TV show.
Pretty fun show to boot. Had fun watching it.
i think the biggest issue with she hulk was the decision to go the typical movie/tv bs "we need to make her look sexy as the hulk".. if she portrayed "hulk" closer to the actual character i think less people would of had an issue with it. she's suppose to be a bada... but instead she just looks like a green alien that reminds me a lot of the Martian Girl from Mars Attacks!. it was just poor decission making by production and the CGI team did their best to work with it.
I think part of it is the lighting. The models look great. The movement is fine. The lighting is just off in most scenes, making them look like they aren't really there.
@@sirmonkey1985no she shouldn’t look buff and muscular. Check the comics man.
Guy Williams is so wise and intelligent. Amazing...he's amazing. Send him gift and bring him back on the show to teach us more...
You guys should definitely check out episode 11, season 2 of Legion. 2 of the most powerful telepaths battling with crazy visuals! Its pretty hard to show telepathic abilities on screen without it looking weird but this is just a creative showpiece of storytelling.
Hey! You and I must be the only fans of that show. That wasn’t really a cgi extravaganza, but it was interesting. Shame that show didn’t work out as well as I’d hoped, but at least they tried something unique. First season is amazing. Kinda feel apart a bit later on, but I’m a huge fan. ❤
It's always a special episode when you get someone from Weta on the couch!
12:23 - honestly would have preferred her to be super muscle-y. It would have been unique and different. But instead we got a green women.
Lol Wren trying to not get slapped at 9:10
I think you guys should do a combined stuntmen and VTX react video for Stephen Chow movies, like Shaolin Soccer and Kung Fu Hustle!
one of the coolest episodes yet. these artists are grazy good problem solvers.
Suggestion: Can you guys react to the time travel graphics from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventures? There should be a video that shows what happened behind the scenes.
I love Wren's innocence and Jordan's Dad jokes in this. I never usually laugh that hard on these if at all.
I worked on Vol. 3 during principal photography in Atlanta and got to see a few bits and pieces rehearsals for that hallway fight. Our stunt team was amazing. And I worked in the office next to Steph! he was great.
Where’d all the colour go? The final product looks like moving concrete. All the colours are washed out. I swear every marvel movie has this cheap look since Disney took over. The visuals have been abysmal since they took over marvel, let alone the story telling.
The original Hellraisor Transformation Scene is mind boggling even today.
I hope they do one on Smallville just to see how far we came on visual effects on TV shows
would be cool if it was a superman and lois and smallville double episode to truly show what the CW alone was able to achieve with superman within 20 years time
I remember being very impressed with the effects on Smallville, now they look like a PlayStation game.
I will say the only effects I still like (only because no other effect has done this and is the effect is still dated) are the heart vision. I love how he just shoots heat and not laser.
10:20 okay that was a master pun; no one was prepared and you got actual appreciation which is rare for a pun
The most work of She-hulk went into pretending the writing was good.
Haha honestly? Compared to most of phase 4 & 5s dumpster fire it was like a solid B, obviously Spidey/moon knight/guardians/Loki were the only quality exceptions, but it wasn't neeeearly as bad as black widow/multiverse madness/secret invasions garbage nonsense writing.
I swear after endgame it's like they fired anyone with writing skills and brought in 11th graders using AI.. quantumania? That was his FIRST SCREENPLAY. It's insane how far the quality dropped.
Your are one of a few channels I must watch in FULL SCREEN mode. Love the eye candy!
I recently watched all 3 live-action Full Metal Alchemist films, and often found myself wondering if Alphonse in difference scenes were a digi-double, or an actor in a real suit. I think it would be neat to have VAR episode trying to break down the effects from those films.
What a fantastic guest, thank you Guy!
Keep these videos coming, please!
I want to see an episode on 'I Am A Virgo' or 'Sorry to Bother You'
You should do a show where you look at the effects in shows like Hercules and Xena and how they tried crazy things with crazy low budgets.
that would be more stuntmen react. They used very few CGI effects in Xena.
@@FablestoneSeries there are lots and lots of optical and other visual effects used during the episodes. Especially for monsters and stuff.
@@Shaki123 I'm a visual effects artist and i've worked in film for 30 years. Their effects were largely practical. The monsters were almost exclusively costumes and makeup. A few stop action miniatures. If you look through the fandom directory you will be hard pressed to find enough CGI shots to fill an episode. The phoenix, a hellhound, a fire beast, maybe the occasional lightning bolt. Remember the show came out in 1995. Rendering the simplest of CGI effects would have literally taken months. Having rendered effects back then I promise you i'm not exaggerating. It would have taken MONTHS. So there isn't much there to talk about.
However you could fill hours and hours of content on stuntmen reacts.
Submission for Bad CGI. In the movie Easy A, there’s a scene in a wood shop class that has Emma Stones hand going straight through a table saw.
I'd love to see some reactions to some of the space battles that took place in the Expanse. They use realistic physics as the base and have a very distinct style and strategy for how the battles take place.
Dude Jordan was on fire with the one liners and puns this episode! 🔥
Only a matter of time before we see Spielberg in this show. It will be a massive video when that happens.
I can't wait to see they having Nolan in there.
jackie chan ^^
I love the small initial recap in the episode.. keep it in!
U guys are awesome thanks for all the great vids keep up the great works 🎉