We Tried the Double-Duallist QUADRUPLE Bass Pedal
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The most telling part about the Dualist is that zero notable metal drummers use it.
yeah seems like consistency is a huge issue with this pedal
Zero metal drummers in general, not just notable ones lol
@@singer3188 same with 3
umm i mean yeah...
Good drummers play so fast already with out it. So not really necessary plus metal is really stupid about things like that, ie: 'cheating' etc
El Estepario Siberiano now achieved what we never thought to be possible
I love your videos. I’m a snare in my high school marching band. Me and my whole drum line love watching your vids. Keep up the good work.
Same bro
Yoo, not in battery but same for my school
this comment is great
I’m on tenors and it’s the same at my schools drumline
God, I miss those days...it's been 18 years since I graduated...I'm old. 😂
Glad to hear that you are playing the snare in marching band. It warms my heart to reminisce about the good ole days.
I still play, but I really miss the drum line...
It gave me the best foundation for playing the set.
Have a blast!
"Now, let me try to cross over" 7:57 ... The visual was hysterical 😂🤣😂😂
As a drummer of over 34 years it always makes me smile watching a single bass player try double bass for the first time , going slow is the key to playing fast , play slow ,learn the technique that suits you best , then practice ,practice ,practice and before you know it your muscle memory starts working for your left foot , also try playing the bass drum with your left foot only to build the leg up to the same standard as your right leg.
Oh also have the spring tension on the pedal as tight as possible , it helps if you want to play fast double bass .
Fantastic advice! This is simply what must be done summarized well!
This guy is the king of talking down to people in the name of "teaching" . No one was confused on how to be a better drummer bro.
@@bpeterson81
It's your perception that I was talking down to people , you are absolutely wrong about my reasoning in posting my comment .
I offered advice that would have benefitted me greatly when I first started playing , also in my experience all the drummers I have taught double bass metal style drumming to have personally told me how breaking it down and giving them my opinion on what helps in the speed department when it comes to pedal set up, what ways to practice , etc etc helped them understand what they were trying to do ,I'm in no way questioning any drummers skill level ,I'm simply offering free advice to those who may find it useful , I applaud the guys in the video for exploring all the different aspects of drumming and percussion , if just one fellow drummer finds what I've said helpful ,well that makes my comment worthwhile .
Enjoy playing most of all ,it doesn't matter how good you are , enjoy playing and you will improve over time .
@@jackofalltradesprepping9611
Thanks mate ,that was my intention , although some folk seem to think I was talking down to them , I'd like to make it clear I was just giving my opinion after over 30 years experience .
This would be great with triggers so that every hit would sound equal
This is the dirty secret of most double bass recording.
It would sound even better if Eric didn't play the drums at all and instead programmed them!
@@Celestion321 This is why I dislike double pedal for the most part, such an artificial sound, might as well have a floor tom really muffled and hit it between the actual kick (kick in some metal song doesn't even sound like a kick to me)
@@eggaiug thats not double pedal, thats triggers. a double pedal is no different than double strokes. its triggers that sound artificial because all dynamics are wiped away
@@FanaticDrummer but what he's saying is that maybe 5% of drummers who play double bass in metal don't use triggers, 95% of the time it's triggered and unnaturally even.
He's a legend for keeping the click track on top of the drum cover!
Why?
@@snmfsquirrel87 🤓
Literally you're making my dreams come true, I thought this idea in 2004.. but I'm not a drummer. The other idea I have and you should totally do it is a double snare. Take one snare turn it upside down put it over your other snare and then do a one stick double blast beat pinging back and forth between the two snare heads...
Id cry if he did that!! 😭😂🤣
@@rollinghazards8520 it could be so good... Or a bust
For that double snare thing look up "gravity blast"
^ this last comment, i concur.
A gravity blast is basically reliant on using the rim to get a downstroke and upstroke to practically double the speed you can play the snare with one hand.
@@DSTrystanJ super blast beats
as a metal guitarist, I watched this video and my picking hand went completely numb at the thought of trying to keep up with these things
I was legit impressed with the cover you did at the end and legit entertained with the whole video!
As a double pedal player I tend to have my feet follow my hands. When I came to playing, also maybe tighten the batter heads might not be as mushy.
Wow! You played that beautifully man! 🤙👏
My son loves your videos! He loved meeting you at the MAPS prelims! He and his high school friends love watching your videos!
I'd be very interested in seeing you try to learn the swivel technique and/or heel-toe and then try applying them to the dualist pedals. I think it would be fascinating to see if those techniques would even work on those pedals or not and if they do, the result would likely be incredible
Swiveling on both would probably make a sound like a bumblebee lol 🤣
@@jonnylawless6797 Lmao true
I cant see heel toe working on the Dualist, especially since it is a second beater, and the upstroke is already generating a second stroke mechanically. It may be interesting on the Drumtech tho, being as it actually has a heel 'pedal' and linkage, essentially just making the transfer of kinetic energy to the beater more efficient then an actual heel toe stroke on a standard pedal.
@@TheDivergentDrummer You're probably right, but I think it would still be worth attempting. I'm more so interested in seeing the swivel technique tried on the Dualist. Even if neither of the techniques work on the Dualist, it would be worth trying for science
I love that we have the same exact drum kit. Such a beauty 🔥
Have to say I'm super super impressed with the cover at the end. That must have taken a crazy amount of practice
Such an entertaining and fun video. Thanks, Eric.
you should do an Infant Annihilator cover. Drumming is crazy.
I was just thinking this
Like cuntcrusher dude them 32th notes lol
Their drums are all programmed and faked, at least on their early stuff.
@@Trisket Programmed for the recordings, but the drummer actually plays that fast in real life too. Look it up.
@@saltysteel3996 lol on bits and pieces, other stuff like his cuntcrusher playthrough clearly sped up and interestingly enough sounds like superior drummer despite being on a real kit. Lol just lol
What’s really cool with these is burying the beater can make the pedal help with different rhythms super cool. Dualist has made a video on it
As a trombonist, this was quite entertaining
With dualist, you can play 300+ Bpm double bass no problem. Or even bomb blast with ease. Nice job playing the vengeance Rising by keepers of kalessin.
Bro, that thumbnail is a very good idea for dualist to use for a quad pedal.
In my years of playing a double kick/bass set-up, I always found that the closer you can get the beater to the drum in a resting position, the less effort you have to assert to gain speed and clarity. You wanna just "kiss" the drum head & let your microphones do your "heavy lifting" 🤘🏼🥁🤘🏼
5:56 pov you're preparing for your first ever drum gig
Vegeance Rising is one of the few songs where the guitars are matching the same note value as the kick drums which is why that section sounds as insane as it does.
LOVE YOU GUYS VID, GREAT JOB
I love it when Tony G is in your videos :)
All I can say is that in the extreme death/tech death realm, 16ths @ 240/250 bpm is the starting point 😅
I feel like this doesn't give you quadruple bass as much as it gives you a sloppy sounding double bass. Anyone else agree?
I've been trying to develop my heel toe, and my standard short Gibraltar pedal is the just to say too short. Yes you are using the rebound, but I can see where this pedal would be 'useful'. When I kick off a heel toe double, it starts with my heel actually hitting the back half of the board. So much so that my toes are in the chain. So I would think that having the ability to transfer that kinetic energy more efficiently to the beater, in fact it's own beater, would add some benefit. It takes a lot of practice just to get heel toe working and get that motion down, so practicing with that thing would feel like something completely strange, especially for someone who never uses their heels, save for a field show or two....
You should use the triple dualist pedal
You could watch this ua-cam.com/video/vcT_3m4Z984/v-deo.html
Kalessin has always had insane drummers
They were the first blackened metal band I ever got into like 12 years ago almost so I'm super grateful to them
Love the GB background drum music... :D
I’d love that drum tec petal I’m definitely a heel toe player and I feel that would be great for me
I love your videos keep rocking that great family fun,
It looks like you have to set up the pedals to a specific BPM in order to work. Is that true or not? I've never used one before.
The duallist dual put a smile on my face
This was sick!
TPB Fans!
I just bought one of the most beautiful kits ever!
I came very close to buying that exact Maple Mapex kit though instead!
I Did buy the Mapex ,Black Armory ,hardware kit though!
Got the Red Paiste Colorsound
4pack w 14”Hats x 2, 18”& 20”crashes and 22” Ride,got the extra 10”splash and 16”China on sale!
My kit is all flat black with all Red lugs and badges! Can you guess which kit it is?
Liked this Duelist vid over all others!
Made me not want to get one anymore tho!
Which is a good thing! Thank you!
that was heckin sick
Great job
Hey Eric fun fact, the school in freaks and geeks is based off of the school i go to, the director went there and graduated with my uncle.
Finally another freaks and geeks fan
Are you speaking of Judd Apatow?
@@MrRezRising no, Chippewa valley
@@tostbaby7465 I meant the person, the director you mentioned. 🙂
@@MrRezRising oh yeah i guess
sick dude
Dude that green Mapex is gorgeous
Absolutely right about heel toe players tho I had a lot of fun with on a heel toe pedal because you don’t have the rebound sending the pedal back into your heel there still is a steep learning curve, the less steep than I’d imagine someone without that muscle memory has
For live use, you could just disable the off switches on the dual pedals.
Is the configuration you show in the thumbnail possible? I want to see if this pedal works with four beaters on one bass drum (because I only have one).
The drummer for Henker uses the drumtec pedal heel toe
Oh hey, we have the exact same Mapex kit! Great choice!
Reminds me of every time I visit the GC drum room
Waiting for the 8 pedal now XD
It's obvious they're meant for triggers/e-kits with super over the top velocity curve. I think we're reaching the point in extreme metal/deathcore where an entire system of a couple of these with in your face triggers would be necessary for playing that stuff live
I think it was Sonor who had something like this some 15 years ago, but you played the second beater with your heel and it was the first time I ever saw a pedal with two beaters
1:17 One of my first kits was a Mapex and that kit's color is sick..I wish I had it.
The sin and the sentence by trivium has a good drum opener
Hey EMC. I love all your videos and since you are a really good drummer I would like to see you do a little different. You always talk about DCI drumlines but I would love to see you do something with HBCU drumlines. Maybe do a reaction video to Jackson State War & Thunder or some of their cadences. I believe JSU is the best HBCU marching band and I would love to see you play their stuff or review it. Thanks!
with the drum tec pedal maybe try sitting further back from the kit, so instead of your calf pointing right down its pointing more forward and your heel will be less raised like halfway to resting on the couch
I want to make something abundantly clear: We like Tony G
Love your videos and I am in the Trumbull high school drum line can you do a video reviewing us?
No way in hell I got an aeroband ad with EMC in it 💀
A had a spark of genius.
If it goes 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
Bear with me..
(*) = Left
[*] = Right
(1) & 2 [&] 3 & (4) &
Feels like broken triplets, on the bass drum.
Like "wavy walking". It might work better.
Worth a try.
props to both you guys. those pedal dont look very easy to use at all.
This stuff is insane. The double duel pedal seems really awesome for those of us, like me, who have never done double pedal. the other one is nuts, really bad design.
i do have a question of where you get your outer rim mute stuff for your drum heads, or are they just cutouts of sound rings?
That pedal has a minds of its owns.
I need to try those on my kit hahaha
Is it really necessary? It is cool but do you really need all that? Where does it end? Should we try 6 pedals next?
Dude your insane
On the other non-dualist pedal, the one the with second pedal for the heel, I wonder how different or easier it would be to block/remove the beater on the regular pedal and just use the heel pedal, I feel like you could play a lot faster and with a lot more power than the traditional way/traditional pedal. Would probably work best with something blocking the main pedal from moving so you can use it as an anchor point for the front of your foot so you can just keep raising and dropping the heel, instead of raising your foot or your whole leg the regular/normal way. Something for another video maybe? Just heel kick drumming?
19:55 Sounds like an army of 1,000 on horses coming to get you.
Blast beats baby 💪🏻🤘🏻now you can play grind core
Considering the fact that there are people who can make a typical double bass pedal hit 16th notes consistently at like 200bpm, I feel like these would just maintain a consistent bassy HUMMM with some killer foot coordination (which I absolutely do NOT have)
True, but try 300bpm. Checkout Eugene Ryabchenko’s cover of Demolisher, he hits 300bpm 16th notes, all single strokes.
oye tio muy buen hecho!!!
Now you know why I use heel toe technique... Way better than trying to force it with these pedals. Also long boards make it pretty simple
Morgan Sansous, drummer of Henker uses quad pedals, and its insane
the proper way to operate the drumtec HAS to be with actual heel toe technique.
I wanted to design a rocker type setup that does with one beater what that ends up doing with two.
I essentially want a pedal that translates heel toe movement on flat ground to a comfortable and comparable pedal technique. I feel like this is the bass drum's greatest flaw.
Sounds like your needing to start ya second foot slightly behind timing wise from ya lead foot in order to coordinate the beats from the first two beaters.
Also how bout the ankle method instead of using predominantly ya legs?
The best way to get faster on double bass, is to find the technique that's most natural feeling for you and get a badass set of pedals...
I have Trick Bigfoot pedals, with the old school tension springs and original fulcrum design, which, for me, is better than the updated one.
If you ever decide to get a set, call and request the original tension springs...they probably still produce them, as I purchased a set to see the difference. There is a HUGE difference. If they don't make the old design anymore, get Axis longboards.
Not to be "that guy", but you should definitely invest in some high end heads.
Might I suggest the Aquarian Performance II tom heads, the Superkick 2 or 10, and the High Energy batter and resonant for the snare.
You could possibly keep the same resonant heads for the toms and bass drums, but just listen to the drums after you put the new set on (no reason to break them in...they are pre stretched before they are shipped out.
Sorry to write a novel, just want to see you guys get the most out of those drums.
Mapex is a great maker and I want them to sing when you play em!
Put a little money in and you'll be glad you did. You would be amazed how a better sounding kit can inspire you to play even better.
Best of luck to you both and happy drumming!
Totally agree. All or nothing
Next challenge, do a blast beat with that lmao 🤣
I need this
As a bassist, that was too heavy to handle😂
What a difference the beard makes.
We are about same age, Eric just a bit younger, and before the beard he looked like 19-21 goofy young man - now he looks like a very *adult* and *mature* professor dude.
I don't have a beard - I still look like 19 😂
15:04 Alex Van Halen had a 4 bass drum kit in Van Halen's last tour in 2015
here comes the kraken plays with quads as well. check out their song( the legend of the rent was way hard-core)
Vengeance is Rising is legitimately an incredible song
Best part of waking up is hearing double bass drum in my ear🥁🥁
GOD Bless!!
If you use a dualist and use it right then it will sounds good and then you have your other food free for some hi-Hat action. My point is: i am sure there will be drummers that will come up with something unique
Need to invest in some beater badges.
What song was covered at 19:33?
LMAO THE CYMBOL WAS LEGIT ROTATING
Frig off with the quadruple bass, there julian.
What should he make with these pedals?
There’s a band called Henker that has this setup.
We also have a Trailer Park Boys poster in our rehearsal studio... I don't know if that's supposed to mean something......
Oh! and the crappy triplet should totally be a new rudiment!!
What kit is that? Also what type of muffling do you use? It sounds great!
Mapex armoury
Video 2 of requesting a reenactment of rillabooms gmax drum solo
I love that you have a trailer park boy poster lol
I'd be interested to see if you could take on a Necrosy song with this setup! "Drown Into Perdition" flies by at 320 BPM with quarter-note (I believe) bass kicks. Possibly the only double bass lines faster than Vengeance Rising that I know of (that isn't Henker with 4 kick pedals or straight-up programmed!)
Drown into Perdition does 320 bpm 16th note kicks yup. That is not their fastest. There is a part in Abstract Vortex that runs at 330 bpm. And they're gonna have at least one song in their upcoming album that runs at 330 bpm through the whole song. I'm helping out with lyrics and song titles. Just gotta get back on top of that :)
@@Kain_R_Heinlein I still think that's probably one of the fastest double kick sections ever recorded. The riff behind it is a banger too!
We're are you buying the dualist pedals?