We Tried the QUADRUPLE Bass Pedal (ft.
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*UPDATE*
We tried the quadruple pedals with 2 Duallists, and it worked surprisingly well!
You can watch that video here: ua-cam.com/video/TwmZqOxBrJI/v-deo.html
What is ur opinion on the armory series I bought the same kit recently would really like a review of the kit and wat u think abt it
Where can i buy the second pedal because im looking for a new bass drum pedal(the dualist pedal)
Nice
Hi there, a good tip to use two DrumTech Double Bass pedal is to alternate legs like this:
Right foot toes
Left foot toes
Right foot heel
Left foot heel
Its a much more natural movement
For the Quad pedal, one of two things. One. You need to play a bit faster at Dragon Force like speed. Two. Slow down and let each pedal hit separately.
If this comment gets 1,000 likes I'll force Eric to also buy a triple pedal so we can play sextuple pedal.
If this reply gets 1,000,069 likes, we will do Octo-pedals.
Bet to both of you
@@EMCproductions challenge accepted
A double and a triple......blast beat quintuplets!!
Will that help him play 69-lets?
Played "Hot for Teacher" in High School back in the day and had to use the dualist pedal to do the beginning. everyone was blown away, i just didn't have the heart to tell 'em 🤣
@@JimmyThomas-lf6yt i'm sure my dad may have a home video somewhere, but it being 15 years ago i doubt it now :(
😂
El Estepario Siberiano does this in his videos. The sound is amazing.
Tell them what? That you’re a smart musician and got the result?
I believe the masses don’t listen to music like musicians do. They don’t care how u got there but if it grooved and sounded good.
Today there is so much Tech anyone can sound perfect. That’s one reason I have gone back to the old ways of recording where the musicians, tuned, practiced, then played the part.
Why? Is it supposed to be bad that there are different ways to achieve the same result?
If you add the duallist mechanism to both the toe and heel of the drum-tec you can get quad hits on one pedal, then with 2 pedals you can get an octo-beat. What do you think?
Turn the pedal into bicycle pedals and run the chain to a wheel of bass drum mallets
🤣🤣🤣🤣 you guys got me fuckin dead with these contraption ideas 😂😂😂
I fucking LOLd at just thinking about it
If someone actually figures out how to play this and practices properly it’ll just sound like a single continuous deep toned beep
@@blacklightgamer97 like a square wave playing at 60Hz, rumble bass and a sound like a dying subwoofer.
I think you're overlooking something here. They came out with a TRIPLE single pedal. That means it's now possible to get a sextuple double pedal going.
That is an awful idea. I love it
You son of a bitch......im in!
Position it right and you can do 12 stick lineup with two drums
12:30 ah yes, my favorite genre: Crab Metal
WE NEED MORE BELL
Imagine how easy it would be to play messhugah- bleed with this beast set up
I don't think so because that song is not straight. The coordination training will be straight madness.
With a double single pedal it would be insanely easy if you have the foot stamina (which, ironically, you need anyway to play bleed how it was intended)
there is a demo with the triple beater dualist pedal setup that dude pretty much does hertas quite easily
I was joking completely
Not going to happen
The gock idea was actually pretty cool... maybe not with the gocks specifically, but the idea of having a different sound source that you can easily bring in fast bursts of with the left foot during fills and such. Probably not worth a few hundred dollars for the average drummer, but still really neat.
😂😂
Seems like different beater heads on the same drum might be a good application too, if you weren't concerned with doing traditional double bass pedal but wanted different tone from the same drum.
My first drum teacher had put a pedal next to his hi-hat pedal that he would activate with his heel (he'd slide his foot sideways to have the toes on the hi-hat pedal and the heel on the new pedal)
Most the times he'd put a gock against that pedal, sometimes other random stuff. Can confirm it sounded great in a solo, and sounds like a somewhat cheap alternative
@@JeffUseekay I'm a bass player not a drummer really at all, but I like to bash around. I did exactly this with my first kit, except with the double kick slave. Everyone else on earth I've ever seen has slave inside hats, I simply put the slave outside and it allowed me to do the exact heel toe technique you described. Toe on hats, heel on kick slave. Cool to finally hear of someone else doing that.
Cowbell, handheld style. One beater to strike the rim, one to strike the arch. For this, raw speed doesn't matter a whole lot, merely being able to get the two basic sounds out of a cowbell _without actually picking it up_ is the whole point so you can either rapid-switch from bongos, or not switch at all. Then again the normal double-bass arrangement would work for this if you prefer, and there's no particular reason other than compactness and weight that you have to use the same cowbell. You could just hook one single pedal to the arch of a cowbell, the other to the rim of another cowbell, and put them on either side of the drums between your legs (if playing congas and bongos simultaneously).
I can’t believe companies that make this stuff haven’t gone out of business yet
Im not a drummer but seeing him try to figure it out was relatable as hell.
This was like watching a monkey try to use a computer 😂
So facts lol I just heard a song an im like lemme see how they do this so now I get how hard it is
*The colab we've all been waiting for*
I actually have the drum-tec pedal. I got it after seeing a video for the dualist pedal. I never got used to it. I put it away and bought the conventional double pedal that is now on my kit
Terry Bozzio has been doing this for years with a bunch of pedals playing heel on one and toe on another with both feet playing all sorts of complex claves and polyrhythms. This setup, I imagine with practice could deliver some very unique rythems though!
I thought the same, I play my high hat with my left heel while kicking doubles and it adds a cool sounding element to an otherwise basic and bare bones beat.
If your a drummer... quit till you learn to spell what you do...
Day 1 of asking for a collab between EMCProductions and EMCDump
They look very similar, they should meet up in real life!!1!1!1!!
Omg the collab we need
Yea they do both have really good chops
I think they should kiss while playing the flubs
@@junkhunk521y e s
I've been looking at these pedals for some time, and I'm glad you decided to do a video on them. I knew I can count on you (a mainly millitary quad drummer) to NOT use triggers and actually show off the pedals fully and honestly. Thank you
Unlike Samus who despite being an amazing drummer, can't not use triggers
@@elansleazebaganno he triggers his whole kit for the purpose of well produced covers. there are many videos of him playing without triggers, it's jut preference. plus, triggers aren't cheating in any way, this is such an old topic.
@@jitzwa I'm not saying it is cheating and I understand why he does it. I was just saying he does
@@jitzwa Triggers aren't cheating. They also aren't drumming.
It is so refreshing seeing you guys struggling like the rest of us would. Thank you
12:49 As a drummer, I love this! But the recording engineer in me hears insane amounts of click bleed and I just can't unhear that
what is the name of those things?
@@ripterdusk4736 Gocks? I think.
@@didncozosksma4466 I've searched them and I only found Glock 18 videos lol
Maybe the legitimate hot for teacher intro is now possible?
Eric, this was a great video. Thanks for sharing.
So the spring on the right side of the Duelist is the return spring for the main hammer, BUT the spring on the left side adjusts the striking force for the second hammer so to make the hit louder you need to put more tension on the spring.
yeah, Henker's drummer is insanely good with those pedals, tho he is using the discontinuated Giant Steps, they are like the dualist. it looks easy but that level of control needs a ton of practice to not sound like popcorn.
Dude I Love me some Henker. I have a similar setup with the duallists if you wanna check it out
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The heel toe method. This is how we learned to play fast on the bass pedal. There was no other way back in the day. You got it down really quickly. It took me weeks back when I was like 12
awsom vid man all the love to u two
never bad content. this channel is great
I have never had the chance to try a Drum Tech double pedal but after see this...no thanks! Kevin the creator of Duallist has some cool products.The triple pedal is a little overkill IMHO but the single/double is actually pretty awesome. I find it humorous when people think it's cheating. Using that pedal still requires mechanical control and timing. This has inspired me to crack out the Sidewinder pedal again and create a fun video. (Duallist cajon pedal). To my knowledge those never got released. Thanks again for the side by side comparison of these pedals.
Perfect for those gigs where you need to play death metal but very quietly and with no stage room
14:35 - sounds like the beginning of Hot For Teacher
YES! TWO OF THEM ASAP!!!
this is something i need to try. i never used my heel as much as i should and ive been playing for over 15 years. this will be some great practice.
Quad-bass pedal is key for Machinegun Psytyle (and other genre switches)
@V. S. Werejester Camellia song called We could get more machinegun psystyle lol
This is rare seeing rdavidr's studio use TWO bass drums
I have two double bass pedals, one is on right kick 22”, one on the 18” kick, as a lefty.
I also experimented with the original sonor dual twin pedals (the drum tec just copied that in a cheap version) and two of them is just melting the brain.
One is just like learning to walk again but with one leg only.
I can only describe like that.
I personally like the Axis double pedal because its driven by a bar instead of a chain and you can just barely push down on the pedal and you get almost the equiv. of a full on kick.
Makes swivel-footing so much easier. You should def. look into it if you want to brush up on your double-kick moves!
That "bar" is referred to as direct drive.
My tibialis anterior muscle has encountered a fatal exception at e031854FFF. Sticking with the "bass-ics". Thank you for making this!!!
I’ve got pretty decent at the heel toe method. I’d love to try that single double
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. " - Dr. Ian Malcolm
Innovation and expansion of the art! Nandi Bushell and Caleb drummer will scorching the earth with these before long!
Introducing the Lars Ulrich double bass cheat pedal.
*Video 22* of Loopy Grandma asking Lil' Peanut to play Wipe Out by the Ventures!!! ... Great for another video using the kit!!! And I know you are very creative, so I expect something EPIC! Maybe use your Marimba for all the Guitar parts! 🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁🐔🥁
Excellent taste in drums and finishes
holy shit an actual use for the dualist pedal lol bravo
So anyway, I started blasting
17:13: How I thought I was sounding when I first got double pedals
2:06: How I was sounding
For me the breakthrough came on the heel toe technique when I realized that my ankle naturally made that motion throughout its path when I was riding a bicycle and cranking the pedals. I don't know why but it did help me realize that you just kind of let your heel fall down and then spring up onto your toe. I still kind of suck at it, can't sustain it for long bursts but Def can hit it as a quick one-two when I need to
+ 1 for the second Duelist
How many bass pedals do you use?
However many I can fit
Twelve.
yes
0, I‘m too broke
1
12:50 that actually sounded kinda cool.
I taught myself how to do quad heal toes awhile ago. Fun to do when you need a quick blast of 4 bass beats.
Best bleed cover I’ve ever heard💯right on tempo too
Video 21 of commenting until EMC makes a front ensemble out of spocks
11:16 is basically how Will Calhoun uses the Dualist pedal, only he has it on a smaller, jazzy bass drum on the left side. So it doesn't sound very metal but it's a really cool effect ua-cam.com/video/JZM69noyDf4/v-deo.html
It does seem to make more sense on the left side, although in this video it was ignored that the pedal can go back to single action just by flicking a lever with the heel.
I play drums, and love the channel. I actually play normal drums with my Heels and Toes, alternating back and forth to get faster without moving my legs too much. But that's because I have limited mobility in my legs, the key is to put the Pedals on low action so you don't push down as hard to make contact, all I focused on is getting that loudness by applying more force to that alternating pattern. It's more in the Ankles than the legs.
Man! Ur drums is my favorite color in drums ! Subscribed 👊😎
There was a band that played the East Coast circuit in the late 80s called Cody and that drummer had four kick drums that he played and then when they came back through Augusta the following year he reduced it to just three kick drums but holy crap I have no idea what they're doing now
That's so absurd hahaha
Should have tried odd time signatures with the triple bass pedal, might be Verry interesting
Absolutely buy another duallist. I bought a dualist when I was 19 … I’m not 42 and I still love it. A friend also bought one and we had a giggle with 2 duallists. It was before I leaned how to kick faster and you had to have an offset/delayed drum pattern with your feet to achieve what you wanted. My left was and stil is my weak foot so a little tension adjustment was needed. Having the switch between single and double was handy, also the duallist is very customisable being the position of the beaters tensions and belt lengths…. Go on buy another. 👍🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
You guys are hilarious! Keep up the laughs!
I'm not a drum guy and maybe it's because I'm stoned. I found this video to be funny as shit. 03:15 when he puts both feet on the pedal lmao! 03:37 the bass sounds so soft it's hilarious! Make more videos like this.
Like lars ulrich lol
video 3 until EMC learns a show style drum feature
stillllll goin
I mean...I already played all 18 cadences from Drumline the movie lol
@@EMCproductions nahhhh... like something more traditional, Jackson state for example, that'll REALLY be somethin'
The first pedal the heal looks like is always going to take inherently more work, since the heal leaver is has is around half the length of the normal pedal, and gives you less mechanical advantage on the main pedal. Around 2:55 you can even see that with the mallet heads move dramatically different lengths the difference in power available. My first impression is it might be best fit to doing accent beats in coordination with the main pedal, or giving a dampening option. Though even with just a little playing around it allow for faster beat, granted the more common duel pedal seems to have wider versatility and easier to achieve that.
For the triple bass, my first thought was to have a super muffled bass and play softer or mix it down
This is gonna sound random but I really appreciate seeing you guys hanging out with big over-ear protection. I don’t know how anyone is able to be anywhere near drums without any hearing protection, there’s kind of a stigma too. It just really made me happy seeing you both be so safe.
I remember when I thought it wouldn't be that bad then my ears were making a high pitch noise for months
I did notice that when concentrating really hard on the weird techniques needed to operate the double pedals - both of you had your left foot sitting there doing nothing… I can kind of see an advantage of a double single pedal if it leaves your left foot free for something else - but I think the limiting factor is that we all have only one brain (except maybe Thomas Lang or Mike Mangini, who seem to have one for each limb).
Seems to me that there isn’t much advantage if it needs too much technique to master. May as well leave out the hi-hat and use both feet?
I rarely use double bass hits and if I do they are usually single beat or the end of a fill, so I just use the toe bounce technique with my right foot. If there is a left foot bass pedal I might switch to it for fills and then just move back to the hihat pedal. I mainly play funk blues hybrid kind of stuff, not metal though, so double bass comes up a lot less. It's nice having the option, but I don't think I could give up the hihat foot entirely. Maybe if the single-double pedals were either simpler or more diverse, like with the pedal that plays on every upbeat would get in the way a lot I think, and the heel toe pedal would require memorizing new techniques which might get confusing with traditional double bass technique, idk. I guess I see the potential, but IME having an optional, easily accessible second bass pedal near the hihat is the most appropriate for what I usually do, and otherwise just keep left foot on hat pedal. I find this stuff interesting though and wish I had the time and gear for practice.
I have the Duallist Triple pedal... Its absolutely Amazing. I love it. Only complaint is its a strap drive and not chain, other than that, it's an Amazing Pedal. 🤘🤘
The first pedal you played is the same as the Sonor Giant Step Pedal. I saw Thomas Lang play one back in 2003, he was amazing with it. The patterns he played were truly insane and he was using it as his left pedal. So if you want to see a heal toe pedal played at expert levels, watch Thomas Lang. But then Thomas plays EVERYTHING at expert level.... Cheers
Fun fact: Quad pedals were first used in the 80s for power ballads.
It isn't necessary to blurt out a comment just for the sake of blurting out a comment
@@fclefjefff4041 why not, you just did. no rules on comments man..
Social media is fucking excruciating
When I saw two grown men connected a Dualist pedal to PAIR OF JAM BLOCKS, I thought “hey , there’s two guys who need girlfriends…“
But, upon more thought, my conclusion is “there’s two guys who married their girlfriends are now trying to ‘escape their wives’ for an afternoon“… Yeah that tracks.
Good job on the video… And escaping your wives for an afternoon.
D
I can say, I only subscribe to a “drummer” because of the USMC thing. It’s fun to watch the evolution of hair growth once an EAS and DD-214 has been achieved. You have opened my eyes to how hard it is to be a decent drummer Vice Excellent. I’ve been in bands where we had a drummer that was a rookie and most listeners don’t hear the flaws. I was in a band with a Sgt, Motor-T kid who was really good, and once played at the Sturgis Bike rally at the Knuckle Saloon with an amazing drummer who was in a Jazz band, and a 70’s rock band. The band I was in at the time played 70’s style rock. Huge differences and very noticeably brings the quality of the band much higher. I absolutely love the content you bring to the table. I’m all “band” geeked out, and now just play for my personal pleasure. I retired from the Corps back in 2006, and still brag on you as a Professional Drummer and Marine. You are the extent of my knowledge of drumming. I have no plans to ever attempt it, and of course Pre-band practices have tried sitting behind a kit, and just have no aptitude or desire to drum. Keep up the great content Warrior!
Greate project.
I feel like if you’re going to be automating the double kick, you might as well just trigger it. At least with the DW you are in full control. Having said that, more than double(to me) is just flexing for the point of flexing and doesn’t make the song any better.
For the heel Kick Drum it's actually eaiser to use without your shoe on. I know it's weird but it actually helps
Concur, you need a flexible shoe to hit it well
He's invented the very polite blast beat.
Beard makes the vid 10x more awesome
...add a box o'rocks to a ninja blender powered to a mic with a Peavy bass amp and you now have limitless aggression in which to stone everyone in your path of incongruity! No? Think again.
The quad would sound great with a 6 string bass and dual 8 string guitars.
We need MOAR
Bass drum pedals have 1 beater, bass guitars have 4 strings, Guitars have 6 strings. PERIOD.
Sick 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
The incarnation of chaos 😂
I am trying to master the double pedal! Now you guys had to do that. Lol fun video!
Great video Eric
The beards/general hairiness frighten me. The drumming is awesome. Wish I could do what y'all do! Cool post.
So funny hahahaha I was waiting for this review for at least 5 years though
Haven't watched an EMC video in a while-GREAT BEARD OF ODIN!!!
DUDE.... You and David absolutely cracked me up 😅😆🤣.... KUDOS!!! I Have several different makes of "dbl" drum pedals, including the "Dualist," and their very early model to boot!! While it basically works the same as a later model, such as the one you guys were using, I still have mad respect for those who with what looks to be "easy grace" and ridiculous control on their feet while playing, oh say....
"HOT FOR TEACHER, drummers there are!!" There are several "mini" Alex VH's out there knocking it out of the park and quite seamlessly at that!! Like Avery "drummer" Molek, or Sina, or Meytal Cohen, or Yoyoka "drummer" Soma... even an all around musician, playing every instrument, and great at "goof" parodies, Leo Moracchioli!! (There are another couple hundred that I am aware of, please forgive me for not including them, just trying to save space here!!!!) OR...............
.... Maybe because I am damn near sixty years old and have been playing for over fifty four years, I have lost my edge some... well, maybe more then some... !!! However, I find it ridiculously easy (now) to do flams, more "kick" influenced paradiddles and etc. with my early Dualist pedal, then with any other dbl, single or any combination there of, foot pedals!! I would love to get a DW 9000 Double pedal, just to see if that would help as well, they are supposed to be smoother than a babies... BUM, especially the newer "long" footboard models!! I just find it very difficult to raise $800.00 for one of them... perhaps in my next drumming life!??!
ANYWAY, KEEP ON KEEPING ON BROTHER DRUMMER!!!!!
PEACE !!!!!🤘🏼
Literally thought of this idea in 2010 when I saw this baby come out😂😂😂 thank you for completing my childhood dream
I used to master the heel-toe technique rather well when I was actively playing metal. It's not easy to master, but for anyone wondering, the trick is to ditch your shoes and go heel first, same foot toe second. Da-dum. You made a double stroke with your pedal. Then the double bass is just basically double stroke rolling. I would love to try out heel-toeing with a couple of these drum-tecs and see if they would add more power to the technique. Because yes, it's not the best sounding or most accurate of double bass techniques out there.
That is so goofy! It's like your heel is your left hand!!🤣🤣🤣
The Blast-Bossa was epic!
Dual triple dualists, hexblasting
Definitely get two dualist pedals ! I'd love to see it !
The drummer you shows in the video is Morgan Sansous, he plays quadruple justa little bit in the Henker album called Slave of My Art, and he uses heel toe technique, which is pretty difficult, i do have 2 of those but they're quite different from Morgan pedals, which is the Sonor Giant Step.
hey a good way to do the triple bass pedal is 8ths on right and 8th note tripleits on left you get a galop sound which is unique to the triple setup
Thanks for the honest demo, the toe and heel (dual) pedal is like an eight-string guitar. It needs to be mastered early-on in the learning curve. The 4-hammers seem a little overkill for the backbeat. I will stick with the double-bass single pedal set-up. Listen to anything by Eric Carr and that will become your new drum-gospel music.
I would love to see you use 2 dualist double pedals like you did with the drum-tec! Man that really should be managable! A real BLAST would be then 2 dualist triple pedals! Yay! :D
Shoutout to rdavidr, your comment about this got 1044 likes at this point and getting more!
John Longstreth for the rescue?? Seriously, i would LOVE to see him playing with that setup
I just see your idea in a video commentary and now becomes reality lol 🤣😂 👍
Love the metal MR Krabs
This is the rev😂
the George Sheperd stick trick !!! nice
Ok you had me at quad bass
I like the idea of the multiple pedals, but I feel like each pedal should go to a slightly different tuned bass kit. So each time you are double hitting or more, you should be able to hear a subtle difference in tone for each hit.
Morgan was drummer of a french Metal band called « Heinker » and the video near the end was filmed 12 years ago