And the magic advice that feels like cheating is get good tools and set everything up appropriately. I'd say I'm mildly irritated. I mean, as irritated as one can get after clicking clickbait
There are two ways the blade can be out of square on a table saw. Either the plane of the saw cut is not aligned with the mitre slot - OR - the saw blade does not run square against the arbour, that is it might have a wobble. It is important to check for both, especially if you have an older table saw or are using cheaper blades. Checking both factors is similar but subtly different. To check the first, mark a spot on the blade and check that spot both as far forward and as far back as possible. To check the second, keep the dial indicator in the same spot fore or aft, and rotate the blade to see if there is a wobble. While the dial indicator is on the saw table we may as well check both factors. The 44.9 trick is always good. One other tip is that if you are cutting mitres in hardwood the piece often will shift under the pressure of the blade pushing against it (either that or the blade bows as it gets into the meat of the cut. I kind of suspect that really). I once got a very slight bulge on the mitre face in hard Maple. Only when I started clamping the pieces down firmly on my sled and used a freshly sharpened blade with a slow cut did that go away. It seems that neither hand pressure or a stop are firm enough. (I guess I am OCD when it comes to getting those mitres right :) ) Thanks for the great videos. Keep it up.
Thanks for the tip of clamping down. I had that happen a lot on my contractor saw - so I think your right about the blade bowing. And that's a really good tip to check the arbor as well. Im going to do that.
Enjoyed the video and attention to detail, including tips on checking for square. The 8:22 flew by in what felt like 5 seconds. The photography and editing were top notch. And I find your voice/accent soothing for some reason. Subscribed.
Dear Swede, thanks so much for this video. As somewhat of a newbie I appreciate the dialogue and process you went through to get the results you ended up with. Your detail are beneficial to someone like me! Thank again!
There may be another dimension to adjust on your table saw. Once the blade is aligned with the miter slot, angle the blade to 45 degrees. Then cut a 45 on a a wider board, and push completely through. If there is a secondary cut off the back side of the blade, then the table needs to be tilted back to front. Check both miter slots. Insert shims on the bolts holding the table down, typically on the front side. When there is minimal saw dust raising from the back of the blade, it's in tune. Hope that makes sense. Happy woodworking.
I learned that 45 years ago. My dad's saw had that bad. Unlike the other adjustments it isn't something that is provided for in the build of the saw. So it requires shims. I guess some saws are made accurately enough that it doesn't mater, but it caused smoke on our delta 9"
Fantastic, I will try all the suggestions. I've been plagued with bad mitered joints ever since I started woodworking many, many moons ago. I like your idea for the charging station too.
I’m really enjoying your channel. I don’t think I’ll ever make such a charging station, but that’s ok. I like seeing the tools used, how they’re used, and different techniques. I also like hearing different folks describe things. Different people different explanations added together usually enhances understanding. Like the first comment about the wrong angle. I right away understood the error of the comment. Frame of reference is always important. The discussion helped bring that out. Thank you for another great episode. I know we are in a very global culture these days where we are becoming more unified, but if there are any unique Swedish woodworking styles, tools, or processes, I’d love to learn about them.
UA-cam put this in my feed and I'm grateful. I just got a table saw and never thought about about any of this. Getting miters and cuts perfect has never been my strong point but I aim to fix that. Thanks
So thankful that you specifically mentioned this can be done not just on the one tool you displayed in the video but others. So many times I watch a how to video and they show only one tool and never explain or show if the skill they are demonstrating can be done with other tools. Thank you!! 😊
How to actually, with any saw: - Cut a piece of scrap in two. - Flip the offcut and cut it again, removing the edge that you cut first. Now both pieces of scrap have the same angle. - Put the two pieces together against a straight edge to make a straight line. - Did it fit? Profit. - Did itn't fit? Adjust the saw and start again. You can use whatever you want (a square, an electronic meter, a cardboard box, your intuition etc.) to get it close to begin with, but the method for actually getting it right is always the same.
But also remember that wood isn't as straight as a metal square, so calibrating your saw with this method could actually make it less true. Your calibration would be specific to any minor warp in the board you just used to calibrate it.
I would use the wood cutting method as more of a sanity check to make sure my calibration with a dial indicator, square, angle finder, etc was working for me.
@@FMunixxx If the scrap is bent enough that you can't use this method with confidence, you're looking at the wrong side of the dowel. :p In seriousness, a bend won't affect it, because you're looking for an angle at the join, not a gradual curve. You're not relying on wood being straight, you're relying on a straight edge being straight, which by definition, it is. The part of the wood that you're gauging with the straight edge is the point where the two cuts meet. Points can't be bent, so you're good.
@@Meevious The gap in the joint is only telling if each half of the board is in the same reference plane both before and after the cut. However, unless we've planed and jointed the initial board to high precision and there's been no change in humidity since, each half is not going to be in the same plane after being cut. We see this in practice when we cut a bowed board into numerous smaller pieces to flatten it. Our bevel could be exactly 0 degrees on our miter saw and we'd still see gaps when butting together all the pieces on a flat table. We can't use these observed gap to infer that our 0 bevel is inaccurate.
I really enjoyed checking out your UA-cam channel! I'm having a tough time focusing on my work right now, and I just can't seem to muster the confidence to film videos in my workshop garage. The funny thing is, I've got all these power tools and accessories, but I've never actually completed a project. I'm not even sure how to explain it anymore!
Thanks, great advice. There is something we call in Switzerland and maybe generally "fixing something to death" This is a translation in Swiss German it sounds much better. I made a box with miters.. There were ugly as .. I was so angry I cut off the corners with another 45 and glued new wood to the corners. Which then of course looked like an accident. 12 hours later "fixing something to death" the box ended up in the stove.. I am very happy for your videos - shortening my learning cycle by copying good practice ;-)
That was really wonderful to watch! I struggle with miters on non-box items so much that I simply don't bother trying to make boxes at all (my frames/boxes always come out looking shoddy). So thanks! I'll give your tips a go!
Great video, if I can offer some comments... 1/10,000 of and inch is 0.0025mm 🙂. When you kept the dial gauge still and spun the blade, you were actually checking if the blade ran "true" (didn't wobble). I'm thinking you should have slid the gauge (whilst it was in the track) across the face of the blade to check that the blade is parallel to the track. Very well presented 👍
Good observation, but I'm guessing that he has already done that, and that in his mind everyone one else has done that already as well when they set up their saws. That's the first thing that I do, so I think that he just wants to check for blade wobble which can happen when you overheat/overuse a blade. I actually thought he was going to build a miter sled which takes care of the issues that most have with them. Instead he built a friggin charging station :-)
The other secret is: When the blade is tilted, it pulls the workpiece sideways, tending to throw off the bevel. This is even a bigger problem with miters. My miter gauge has holes allowing me to screw in a larger back-stop. If that back-stop has a strip of high-grit sand-paper glued to it, then the added friction from the sandpaper solves the problem.
I imagine wood filling and/or wood glue on the inner ends will help with providing strength to it. Staples also help give extra support. I make stretch boards for paintings, and also the frame. With the frame I need to be more accurate, however this is an eloquent solution for stretch boards. Thank you.
Again a very cool video. So it is all about setting up the saw correctly. I have learned to take a closer look at my own setup and to give this extra 0.1° to get a closed miter at the edge 😉 Thanks for that.
Excellent advice. Personally I prefer the 45 triangle over the digital reader as I’ve found them to be non-repeatable. So, if you’re really serious or you’re using 500 dollars in walnut on your miter, use a triangle and throw away the digital angle finder.
@@angellas.1314 Generally speaking no. Using a triangle I trust, I know it's going to be 45. That said, I have on occasion left a small gap at the bottom to use the trick in this video. If you use the digital scale, you should always use the trick.
I use a digital every day and it's always been dead on. But that's the difference between a $5 angle finder and a $50 angle finder. You get what you pay for...
I just discovered your channel, and now I am filled with an overpowering desire to go obsess over the straightness of my table saw blade. I was gonna watch more of your videos, but now I won't have time... guess I'll have to sub and come back later! All kidding aside, I appreciate the video and advice. Keep it up!
Lots of respect to you for committing to a response for each comment. I've not seen anyone else do this in my UA-cam experience. Excellent video as well. I like how clearly laid out the video is and compliments the voice over. It is clear you put much time and effort into your video. I've just subscribed! 👍
Great video, I never thought of under cutting the 45 at 44.9. Make it easier because usually you will not see the inside corner up close. Thanks for sharing.
Great video and awesome advice. Additionally, I love your shop aesthetic / style, so clean and sharp looking with the dark accents. How long did it take you to get your shop space to look this good?
Absolutely loved watching this video! First time finding your channel, and you covered so many things I'm interested in (woodworking, table saw, precision, 3D Printing, charing stations!). Subscribed straight away, and am looking forward to checking out your other vids. Great work (and nicely filmed!)
Looks like it's factory-dyed MDF, there are several brands available - Black Diamond, Valchromat, and a few others. It's a bit pricey - project size pieces of 3/4" are $7 to $10/sf. I guess full sheets will be a little more reasonably priced but a quick google search didn't turn up a definitive price for that
Great video. One thing I missed when cutting the 44.9 degree angle. I assume the lower angle is on the side you DON'T want so the piece you use is 45.1? Also, assume you then have to create a new cut on the next piece? Sort of like squaring up each piece before cutting.
Good advice! As an experiment I tried doing white primed architraves but exaggerated and even they fill much nicer with the internal gap rather than the external gap. I then decided I'd set up my saw precisely for any subsequent mitres that would be visible. Much better results!
Riktigt bra idé att ha en håltavla för att kunna variera skräddarsydda hållare på sin laddstation. Tack för den idén. Jag lånar den och modifierar den till min egen laddstation!
A very well explained video for all to enjoy. Something I would add to the discussion around cutting a 45 degree angle is an error in measuring that creates the need to go "just past" 45 degrees. The digital device used for measuring angles is displaying the angle created between the table saw surface and blade-body instead of between the table saw surface and blade-teeth. As shown in the video, the blade would need to rotate an additional small amount to account for how the teeth extend past the blade-body. At the same time, a small right-angle was shown on the underside of the blade, leaving a gap at the bottom. Instead of focusing on the gap, a speed square with a 45 degree side can be used to have the blade-teeth just kiss the 45 degree side as they pass by, insuring the underside (or left side, as shown in the video) is now set to 45 degrees at the plane of rotation for the teeth. Both sides should, in theory, then be set to 45 degrees at that point; but, as we often see, where theory meets reality there is frequently a gap, and hence the need for videos like this to help close that gap physically and geometrically. Thank you!
If you have a jobsite tablesaw such as the Dewalt DW745 you might notice the miter slots aren't even, they vary in width from front to back, the top surface isn't flat and although you can make some adjustments it's never going to be spot on. Which is why measuring the results of the cut (along with sleds) rather than measuring the machine might be a better approach. Deflection though is still something to consider, depending on density of material. Because of these sort of issues and not having a cabinet saw I've started to cut mine by hand. Thanks for the vid!
You're shifting the flaw (gap) to the unseen edge. Smart. I would also add that when you're checking the table saw blade keep in mind that when the motor is running the blade tends to move away from the motor (known as End Play / Run Out), you can measure this with a dial indicator and adjust your cuts to account for it.
Long mitres work so well with the track saw as the weight is all on the product. Or a clamp down jig for the panel saw. Either way you are spot on by having a tiny gap on the inside. The way I see it is that it’s somewhere for the glue to go so it doesn’t force the front out
5:40 Essentially set your blade to 44.9° rather than 45°. Hopefully that saved y’all some time 👍
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As a DIY man, I've done plenty of rough work and have been able to cover things up. Lately I've been building a little more meticulous items and this video came at the right time. I'll start working with the current hand tools I have around the shop, but I'll probably keep the pencil trick in my hat...or behind the ear... or that triangle in the workshop that seems to suck every other tool I'm looking for...
Tough question. It might be a recent thing I made with my daughter - it's only posted on my instagram - but we made a bird house together. Thanks a lot!
Looking awesome 👍😎. And the miter tips and project is cool too 😅. I'll need to get some of your gauges and stuff for the table saw. Can you just remind me of your affiliate link?
I am a beginner an amateur in woodworking but i think the problem starts at 5:07, when you start tillting the blade. Experienced woodworkers recomends to leave the blade vertical and build a sled that will hold the material to 45 degrees (or 44,9). You have all my admiration for this video, i like very much the way you tell the story. Thanks and good luck.
That would be good for certain things, like picture frames for instance. If your cutting wider pieces of wood your dependent on the blade height. The way I make it you can cut - theoretically as wide as you want. Thanks for watching!
@@TheSwedishMaker thanks for your answer, i'm talking about something like this: ua-cam.com/users/shortsj_R7QfT8ZIg ua-cam.com/video/2oDl6hfBlR8/v-deo.html cheers
First video of yours that has come up for me and I very much like the method of presentation. I’ll watch a couple more and subscribe. I’ve been woodworking since way before you were born (I’d say I’ve been serious for over 45 years but it’s probably nearer 60 since I first tried the hobby). Everything but everything has changed in that time except for the mental attributes of patience and precision. A couple of points. Firstly, I don’t trust those angle cubes to be that accurate, I think they state plus or minus 0.2 degrees? Anyway, I might be nuts but I will either use 2 different cubes and hope the average is accurate or test cut. Secondly, I always use an auxiliary, sacrificial fence to back up the piece I’m cutting so that the “off it” doesn’t vary from the desired angle by falling away. Necessary? I think so but I’m not taking the chance!
Great video and thank you for sharing the tips and tricks. I am going to use this method from now on but I am one of those who still going to be bothered about miters not lining up even though they are suppose to when cut at 45 degree.
Sorry to tell you this, but you've gone the wrong way. By going under 45 degrees you will have an opening on the outside of the mitre. You always cut mitres at around 45.5 degrees ish, not 44.9 degrees, this way at 45.5 degrees the outside of the mitre will be touching and the inside may have an extremely tiny gap. You increase the angle to close the outside of the mitre, not decrease.
Well if you measure 44.9° from the outside edge then you get a closed outside corner. (This is true, if you disagree you're misunderstanding me) All depends on your reference, no?
I think we both mean the same thing. The way I have it set up with the angle gauge and the table saw - it's in reverse - thats why I think I said "go a bit further than 45". It measures away from the blade.
I found your preparation steps and explanations of what you didn't like to be as instructional as your advice on fixing miters. Cutting the angle sharper than 45° deforms the wood slightly to mate evenly (like the screwdriver fix but better) , even when the square is racked a little. Thank you! I wondered why you attached all your charging pockets to the outside of the box, though.
Did it with an ol' makita circular saw this week at dead 45. I think the tight painters tape is the one that actually did the job. And the str8 edge I was using, naturally.
Great, and very timely (for me) tip, as I am in the process of making several new projects that require using a 45° miter! However, a few of them will have both the outside and inside corners visible... Any good tips on how to make both edges as tight as possible? I know I'm 4 months late on seeing this video, but I'm still hoping that you'll keep answering all questions as you stated 🤣
I liked it. And, the precision of the angles is really important if you do want to make highly precise miter cuts. So, I did not find it too long for the issues involved. Thanks!
I just learned from Jonathan Katz Moses, who learned this from Stumpy Noob, to cut the mitres on a router table using a 45 degree router bit (making sure it is big enough for the thickness of your material). Going to try this the next time I need mitred corners.
I want to sing praises for the band clamps at 6:22. I have one, I use it to make picture frames. It does a great job every time. I tried other techniques, (90 degree clamps) this one is easiest, cheapest, and gets better results than ALL of them
I just came across your video, sounds like a good plan. My garage shop has gone unused for several years but now that I'm retired I've have been getting everything tuned up and started. I will give your suggestion a try.
You would find using Mylar packing tape on the corner is a better solution especially on long miters. Its main advantage is it does not stretch. The downside is it may pull some grain and require additional sanding. 3m 375 is the preferred tape professionally. Good luck!
Great channel :) Any tutorial about how to do that charging station? I am curious about what we don't see here, the electric circuit and the 3d prints for the accessories. Cheers!
There's an additional thing to be careful of when using the digital miter gauge to help tilt the blade to 45° (or 49.9°), one which is a bit hard to describe. I think (but am not sure) that the angle of tilt would be inaccurate if the gauge is twisted with respect to the blade, by not being placed on the blade so the long axis of the gauge lies along (or parallel to) the radius line of the blade extending from the center of the blade to its highest point above the tablesaw top. (Imagine tilting the gauge back when it's on the table saw top, then attaching it to the vertical blade in the same orientation. This would throw off the angle measurement when the blade is tilted.) There is bound to be a clearer way of describing the issue than what I just gave though!
So funny we in the prefinished trim installation industry (cabinet and hardwood trim installation have been over cutting outside corners and under cutting inside corners for years One reason is to keep the outside edge tight when the wood changes due to drying out.
Every comment?!?! That's awesome mate! Oh, and so is your presentation. I kinda thought that's the fix you were aiming at, but you really did present in a highly creative and informational way. Well done!
If you deliberately introduce a gap to the joint aren’t you significantly reducing the strength of the joint because the two surfaces will not fully touch each other because of the deliberate gap???? Please respond if I am incorrect
this is actually a pretty common thing in engineering where we use a lot of negatives tolerances, we'll for example write "45° +0/-0.1" to say "I want this angle to be maximum 45° and minimum 44.9°", this is used not only for angles but also for dimensions and loads of other parameters in order to ensure that mass produced parts will always be able to fit together
I am curious how to achieve the same result on the sliding mitre saw. Please advise. It is very tough to get an angle of 44.9 deg. Accurately and repeatedly.
Dear Swede, this was a masterclass in how to stretch 5 seconds of advice into 8 minutes and 22 seconds without irritating your audience too much. :-)
Thank you! If someone says masterclas Im proud 😃
I appreciate the lack of a long drawn out introduction or constant repetition which often seems to be a common thing with US UA-camrs.
There's so much irony here I dont know where to start
@@TheSwedishMakerhaters gotta hate bud, leave ‘em to it
And the magic advice that feels like cheating is get good tools and set everything up appropriately. I'd say I'm mildly irritated. I mean, as irritated as one can get after clicking clickbait
There are two ways the blade can be out of square on a table saw. Either the plane of the saw cut is not aligned with the mitre slot - OR - the saw blade does not run square against the arbour, that is it might have a wobble. It is important to check for both, especially if you have an older table saw or are using cheaper blades.
Checking both factors is similar but subtly different.
To check the first, mark a spot on the blade and check that spot both as far forward and as far back as possible.
To check the second, keep the dial indicator in the same spot fore or aft, and rotate the blade to see if there is a wobble. While the dial indicator is on the saw table we may as well check both factors.
The 44.9 trick is always good.
One other tip is that if you are cutting mitres in hardwood the piece often will shift under the pressure of the blade pushing against it (either that or the blade bows as it gets into the meat of the cut. I kind of suspect that really). I once got a very slight bulge on the mitre face in hard Maple. Only when I started clamping the pieces down firmly on my sled and used a freshly sharpened blade with a slow cut did that go away. It seems that neither hand pressure or a stop are firm enough. (I guess I am OCD when it comes to getting those mitres right :) )
Thanks for the great videos. Keep it up.
Thanks for the tip of clamping down. I had that happen a lot on my contractor saw - so I think your right about the blade bowing. And that's a really good tip to check the arbor as well. Im going to do that.
Enjoyed the video and attention to detail, including tips on checking for square. The 8:22 flew by in what felt like 5 seconds. The photography and editing were top notch. And I find your voice/accent soothing for some reason. Subscribed.
Dear Swede, thanks so much for this video. As somewhat of a newbie I appreciate the dialogue and process you went through to get the results you ended up with. Your detail are beneficial to someone like me! Thank again!
Hey! Thanks a lot!
There may be another dimension to adjust on your table saw. Once the blade is aligned with the miter slot, angle the blade to 45 degrees. Then cut a 45 on a a wider board, and push completely through. If there is a secondary cut off the back side of the blade, then the table needs to be tilted back to front. Check both miter slots. Insert shims on the bolts holding the table down, typically on the front side. When there is minimal saw dust raising from the back of the blade, it's in tune.
Hope that makes sense. Happy woodworking.
Thanks a lot for that tip! I will check that directly.
I learned that 45 years ago. My dad's saw had that bad. Unlike the other adjustments it isn't something that is provided for in the build of the saw. So it requires shims. I guess some saws are made accurately enough that it doesn't mater, but it caused smoke on our delta 9"
Fantastic, I will try all the suggestions. I've been plagued with bad mitered joints ever since I started woodworking many, many moons ago. I like your idea for the charging station too.
I’m really enjoying your channel. I don’t think I’ll ever make such a charging station, but that’s ok. I like seeing the tools used, how they’re used, and different techniques. I also like hearing different folks describe things. Different people different explanations added together usually enhances understanding. Like the first comment about the wrong angle. I right away understood the error of the comment. Frame of reference is always important. The discussion helped bring that out. Thank you for another great episode. I know we are in a very global culture these days where we are becoming more unified, but if there are any unique Swedish woodworking styles, tools, or processes, I’d love to learn about them.
Thanks a lot! Totally appreciate it. I´ll think about if there are any special Swedish styles, tools or processes - thats a really good idea.
I’m with you there!
UA-cam put this in my feed and I'm grateful. I just got a table saw and never thought about about any of this. Getting miters and cuts perfect has never been my strong point but I aim to fix that. Thanks
nice! Glad it helped!
So thankful that you specifically mentioned this can be done not just on the one tool you displayed in the video but others. So many times I watch a how to video and they show only one tool and never explain or show if the skill they are demonstrating can be done with other tools. Thank you!! 😊
Hey! Thanks a lot!
How to actually, with any saw:
- Cut a piece of scrap in two.
- Flip the offcut and cut it again, removing the edge that you cut first. Now both pieces of scrap have the same angle.
- Put the two pieces together against a straight edge to make a straight line.
- Did it fit? Profit.
- Did itn't fit? Adjust the saw and start again.
You can use whatever you want (a square, an electronic meter, a cardboard box, your intuition etc.) to get it close to begin with, but the method for actually getting it right is always the same.
Nice tip!
But also remember that wood isn't as straight as a metal square, so calibrating your saw with this method could actually make it less true. Your calibration would be specific to any minor warp in the board you just used to calibrate it.
I would use the wood cutting method as more of a sanity check to make sure my calibration with a dial indicator, square, angle finder, etc was working for me.
@@FMunixxx
If the scrap is bent enough that you can't use this method with confidence, you're looking at the wrong side of the dowel. :p
In seriousness, a bend won't affect it, because you're looking for an angle at the join, not a gradual curve.
You're not relying on wood being straight, you're relying on a straight edge being straight, which by definition, it is.
The part of the wood that you're gauging with the straight edge is the point where the two cuts meet.
Points can't be bent, so you're good.
@@Meevious The gap in the joint is only telling if each half of the board is in the same reference plane both before and after the cut. However, unless we've planed and jointed the initial board to high precision and there's been no change in humidity since, each half is not going to be in the same plane after being cut. We see this in practice when we cut a bowed board into numerous smaller pieces to flatten it. Our bevel could be exactly 0 degrees on our miter saw and we'd still see gaps when butting together all the pieces on a flat table. We can't use these observed gap to infer that our 0 bevel is inaccurate.
Love the new camera quality, added lighting and ambience of your shop.
thanks a lot!
The charging box is dope. Great advice and explanation of the miter angle as well.
tldr, you can never get a perfect 45°. So take a bit extra off the inside to mitigate the chance of leaving a crack on the external corner
I really enjoyed checking out your UA-cam channel! I'm having a tough time focusing on my work right now, and I just can't seem to muster the confidence to film videos in my workshop garage. The funny thing is, I've got all these power tools and accessories, but I've never actually completed a project. I'm not even sure how to explain it anymore!
Thanks, great advice. There is something we call in Switzerland and maybe generally "fixing something to death" This is a translation in Swiss German it sounds much better. I made a box with miters.. There were ugly as .. I was so angry I cut off the corners with another 45 and glued new wood to the corners. Which then of course looked like an accident. 12 hours later "fixing something to death" the box ended up in the stove.. I am very happy for your videos - shortening my learning cycle by copying good practice ;-)
thanks a lot! Sorry about your miters ending up in the stove.
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That was really wonderful to watch! I struggle with miters on non-box items so much that I simply don't bother trying to make boxes at all (my frames/boxes always come out looking shoddy). So thanks! I'll give your tips a go!
Thanks!
Great video, if I can offer some comments... 1/10,000 of and inch is 0.0025mm 🙂.
When you kept the dial gauge still and spun the blade, you were actually checking if the blade ran "true" (didn't wobble). I'm thinking you should have slid the gauge (whilst it was in the track) across the face of the blade to check that the blade is parallel to the track.
Very well presented 👍
Good observation, but I'm guessing that he has already done that, and that in his mind everyone one else has done that already as well when they set up their saws. That's the first thing that I do, so I think that he just wants to check for blade wobble which can happen when you overheat/overuse a blade.
I actually thought he was going to build a miter sled which takes care of the issues that most have with them. Instead he built a friggin charging station :-)
Great video, nicely narrated as well, good work bro!
The other secret is: When the blade is tilted, it pulls the workpiece sideways, tending to throw off the bevel. This is even a bigger problem with miters. My miter gauge has holes allowing me to screw in a larger back-stop. If that back-stop has a strip of high-grit sand-paper glued to it, then the added friction from the sandpaper solves the problem.
Why so unhappy?
I imagine wood filling and/or wood glue on the inner ends will help with providing strength to it. Staples also help give extra support.
I make stretch boards for paintings, and also the frame. With the frame I need to be more accurate, however this is an eloquent solution for stretch boards. Thank you.
Again a very cool video.
So it is all about setting up the saw correctly. I have learned to take a closer look at my own setup and to give this extra 0.1° to get a closed miter at the edge 😉 Thanks for that.
Thank you for watching!
Great miter tips! I will be these into use right away.... can't believe I'm been doing it wrong for so long.
Thanks! Hope it works out
Excellent advice. Personally I prefer the 45 triangle over the digital reader as I’ve found them to be non-repeatable. So, if you’re really serious or you’re using 500 dollars in walnut on your miter, use a triangle and throw away the digital angle finder.
Fair enough!
And do you leave the gap as he showed?
@@angellas.1314 Generally speaking no. Using a triangle I trust, I know it's going to be 45. That said, I have on occasion left a small gap at the bottom to use the trick in this video. If you use the digital scale, you should always use the trick.
I use a digital every day and it's always been dead on. But that's the difference between a $5 angle finder and a $50 angle finder. You get what you pay for...
I just discovered your channel, and now I am filled with an overpowering desire to go obsess over the straightness of my table saw blade. I was gonna watch more of your videos, but now I won't have time... guess I'll have to sub and come back later!
All kidding aside, I appreciate the video and advice. Keep it up!
Lots of respect to you for committing to a response for each comment. I've not seen anyone else do this in my UA-cam experience.
Excellent video as well. I like how clearly laid out the video is and compliments the voice over. It is clear you put much time and effort into your video.
I've just subscribed! 👍
hey, thanks a lot for that - I appreciate it. And thanks for noticing - your the first one to notice.
Loads of comments without replies.
Great video, I never thought of under cutting the 45 at 44.9. Make it easier because usually you will not see the inside corner up close. Thanks for sharing.
No problem. Just stay above 44 degrees if your not measuring from 90 like I did in the video :)
I actually learned something. Thanks and very well done vid and editing
Thank you
Great video and awesome advice. Additionally, I love your shop aesthetic / style, so clean and sharp looking with the dark accents. How long did it take you to get your shop space to look this good?
Absolutely loved watching this video! First time finding your channel, and you covered so many things I'm interested in (woodworking, table saw, precision, 3D Printing, charing stations!). Subscribed straight away, and am looking forward to checking out your other vids. Great work (and nicely filmed!)
Thanks a lot! Truly appreciate it
Fine video. One question -- what is the material you're using? Is is blacked yes wood, or something else? In the video it almost looks like ebony.
Looks like it's factory-dyed MDF, there are several brands available - Black Diamond, Valchromat, and a few others. It's a bit pricey - project size pieces of 3/4" are $7 to $10/sf.
I guess full sheets will be a little more reasonably priced but a quick google search didn't turn up a definitive price for that
Now then top quality fun video as usual. Excellent voice over and very informative I’m loving it
thanks man! Can't wait to see your videooooohhh!
Thank you. Sharing great advice is always helpful.
almost 10 Minute video to see this advice which is older then the ocean.
It black MDF. Hard to find if you live in the US
Great video. One thing I missed when cutting the 44.9 degree angle. I assume the lower angle is on the side you DON'T want so the piece you use is 45.1? Also, assume you then have to create a new cut on the next piece? Sort of like squaring up each piece before cutting.
just want to say, you are doing a good job and i enjoy seeing your videos, keep up the good work
Thanks a lot! I really appreciate it
Good advice! As an experiment I tried doing white primed architraves but exaggerated and even they fill much nicer with the internal gap rather than the external gap. I then decided I'd set up my saw precisely for any subsequent mitres that would be visible. Much better results!
nice to hear! thanks for watching!
I was just in Sweden. Beautiful there. Well done on the charging station!
thanks a lot! Yeah it's really beautiful!
Riktigt bra idé att ha en håltavla för att kunna variera skräddarsydda hållare på sin laddstation. Tack för den idén. Jag lånar den och modifierar den till min egen laddstation!
A very well explained video for all to enjoy. Something I would add to the discussion around cutting a 45 degree angle is an error in measuring that creates the need to go "just past" 45 degrees. The digital device used for measuring angles is displaying the angle created between the table saw surface and blade-body instead of between the table saw surface and blade-teeth. As shown in the video, the blade would need to rotate an additional small amount to account for how the teeth extend past the blade-body.
At the same time, a small right-angle was shown on the underside of the blade, leaving a gap at the bottom. Instead of focusing on the gap, a speed square with a 45 degree side can be used to have the blade-teeth just kiss the 45 degree side as they pass by, insuring the underside (or left side, as shown in the video) is now set to 45 degrees at the plane of rotation for the teeth. Both sides should, in theory, then be set to 45 degrees at that point; but, as we often see, where theory meets reality there is frequently a gap, and hence the need for videos like this to help close that gap physically and geometrically.
Thank you!
That is very well explained! I agree - theory doesnt always meet reality but accounting for the teeth is a really god tip!
If you have a jobsite tablesaw such as the Dewalt DW745 you might notice the miter slots aren't even, they vary in width from front to back, the top surface isn't flat and although you can make some adjustments it's never going to be spot on. Which is why measuring the results of the cut (along with sleds) rather than measuring the machine might be a better approach. Deflection though is still something to consider, depending on density of material. Because of these sort of issues and not having a cabinet saw I've started to cut mine by hand. Thanks for the vid!
That charging box looks sleek! :)
Thanks! :)
You're shifting the flaw (gap) to the unseen edge. Smart.
I would also add that when you're checking the table saw blade keep in mind that when the motor is running the blade tends to move away from the motor (known as End Play / Run Out), you can measure this with a dial indicator and adjust your cuts to account for it.
5:55 the rest is clickbait
Long mitres work so well with the track saw as the weight is all on the product. Or a clamp down jig for the panel saw. Either way you are spot on by having a tiny gap on the inside. The way I see it is that it’s somewhere for the glue to go so it doesn’t force the front out
very true - long miters on the track saw is really the way to go
5:40 Essentially set your blade to 44.9° rather than 45°. Hopefully that saved y’all some time 👍
As a DIY man, I've done plenty of rough work and have been able to cover things up. Lately I've been building a little more meticulous items and this video came at the right time. I'll start working with the current hand tools I have around the shop, but I'll probably keep the pencil trick in my hat...or behind the ear... or that triangle in the workshop that seems to suck every other tool I'm looking for...
you sure do use a lot of youtube filler though
thank you
Appreciate your clarity and great instruction. Thanks for taking the time to share your amazing insight.
Thank you!
Let me be the first to ask you a question: What project are you most proud of? I love your down-to-earth style and videos btw!
Tough question. It might be a recent thing I made with my daughter - it's only posted on my instagram - but we made a bird house together. Thanks a lot!
Looking awesome 👍😎. And the miter tips and project is cool too 😅. I'll need to get some of your gauges and stuff for the table saw. Can you just remind me of your affiliate link?
Thanks mate! Yes the gauge is really helpful. Dial Gauge: shorturl.at/lKVZ6
@@TheSwedishMaker Just going shopping frenzy on Banggood - thanks!
I've learned to never take advice from a dude with a man bun. Just my rule.
I am a beginner an amateur in woodworking but i think the problem starts at 5:07, when you start tillting the blade. Experienced woodworkers recomends to leave the blade vertical and build a sled that will hold the material to 45 degrees (or 44,9). You have all my admiration for this video, i like very much the way you tell the story. Thanks and good luck.
That would be good for certain things, like picture frames for instance. If your cutting wider pieces of wood your dependent on the blade height. The way I make it you can cut - theoretically as wide as you want. Thanks for watching!
@@TheSwedishMaker thanks for your answer, i'm talking about something like this:
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cheers
First video of yours that has come up for me and I very much like the method of presentation. I’ll watch a couple more and subscribe.
I’ve been woodworking since way before you were born (I’d say I’ve been serious for over 45 years but it’s probably nearer 60 since I first tried the hobby). Everything but everything has changed in that time except for the mental attributes of patience and precision.
A couple of points. Firstly, I don’t trust those angle cubes to be that accurate, I think they state plus or minus 0.2 degrees? Anyway, I might be nuts but I will either use 2 different cubes and hope the average is accurate or test cut. Secondly, I always use an auxiliary, sacrificial fence to back up the piece I’m cutting so that the “off it” doesn’t vary from the desired angle by falling away. Necessary? I think so but I’m not taking the chance!
Hey thanks for contributing what that great advice. I have found the angle cube can be a bit off so using the miter gauge is a second check for me.
Great video and thank you for sharing the tips and tricks. I am going to use this method from now on but I am one of those who still going to be bothered about miters not lining up even though they are suppose to when cut at 45 degree.
haha you and me both
I wish this video has been a short of 13 seconds...
Great info…
Quick question…
What is the black material you are using to build the project in this video?
Sorry to tell you this, but you've gone the wrong way. By going under 45 degrees you will have an opening on the outside of the mitre. You always cut mitres at around 45.5 degrees ish, not 44.9 degrees, this way at 45.5 degrees the outside of the mitre will be touching and the inside may have an extremely tiny gap. You increase the angle to close the outside of the mitre, not decrease.
He's right.
Well if you measure 44.9° from the outside edge then you get a closed outside corner. (This is true, if you disagree you're misunderstanding me)
All depends on your reference, no?
I think we both mean the same thing. The way I have it set up with the angle gauge and the table saw - it's in reverse - thats why I think I said "go a bit further than 45". It measures away from the blade.
It depends on if u start from 0 or 90 degrees. As long u mitre a tiny bit more than 45 from ure zero U'll be fine
Perfectly explained - thanks!
If you do not have a 3D printer, where can the mitre slot attachment for the gauge be purchased? Thanks!
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The youtube algorithm and I thank you!
That charging wall is super cool. Greetings from Nashville, TN!
hey! thanks a lot! it does actually do the trick for me right now
I found your preparation steps and explanations of what you didn't like to be as instructional as your advice on fixing miters. Cutting the angle sharper than 45° deforms the wood slightly to mate evenly (like the screwdriver fix but better) , even when the square is racked a little. Thank you! I wondered why you attached all your charging pockets to the outside of the box, though.
I had the usb hub on the inside and then I attached the devices on the outside. Thanks for watching!
Great video. Thank you for sharing your insight on tips and tricks.
Nice class, I hope it helps many woodworkers. Thank you
Did it with an ol' makita circular saw this week at dead 45. I think the tight painters tape is the one that actually did the job. And the str8 edge I was using, naturally.
"The screwdriver trick" is known as burnishing and has been used for centuries... A perfectly appropriate operation in mitre joints.
Great work. Love all the tools.
Great, and very timely (for me) tip, as I am in the process of making several new projects that require using a 45° miter! However, a few of them will have both the outside and inside corners visible... Any good tips on how to make both edges as tight as possible? I know I'm 4 months late on seeing this video, but I'm still hoping that you'll keep answering all questions as you stated 🤣
Nice, simple hack right there and the charging station looks great. How many mitre joints had you made before you worked this one out?
Is that black wood or some sort of composite?
Composite Euro particle board. Lousy with screws, the dust is pure poison, and a drop of water and it's mush.
I liked it. And, the precision of the angles is really important if you do want to make highly precise miter cuts. So, I did not find it too long for the issues involved. Thanks!
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True!
I just learned from Jonathan Katz Moses, who learned this from Stumpy Noob, to cut the mitres on a router table using a 45 degree router bit (making sure it is big enough for the thickness of your material). Going to try this the next time I need mitred corners.
Im def trying that as well. Seems like a good idea.
There are 91 degree router bits especially made to do this.
Excellent advice....thank you 👍
I want to sing praises for the band clamps at 6:22. I have one, I use it to make picture frames. It does a great job every time. I tried other techniques, (90 degree clamps) this one is easiest, cheapest, and gets better results than ALL of them
Good tip! I will definitely use this on my next project, thanks.
thanks!
I just came across your video, sounds like a good plan. My garage shop has gone unused for several years but now that I'm retired I've have been getting everything tuned up and started. I will give your suggestion a try.
Hey! Thanks a lot! And congrats on getting back to it
so on the final product @ 8:09 - there's a Go Pro, a flashlight, ???, and charged batteries holder. What's the third thing in the row?
A small screwdriver from hoto
What kind of black wood are you using? I like it!
Brilliant idea! I'll be attempting the same kind of project.
Great tip! I'm just starting out my table saw journey. Should I get a miter and if so, which one?
You would find using Mylar packing tape on the corner is a better solution especially on long miters. Its main advantage is it does not stretch. The downside is it may pull some grain and require additional sanding. 3m 375 is the preferred tape professionally.
Good luck!
Ill try that tape
Great channel :)
Any tutorial about how to do that charging station? I am curious about what we don't see here, the electric circuit and the 3d prints for the accessories.
Cheers!
Thank you. In 40 years of woodworking, I never thought to cut to the shy side of 45 degrees.
I’ve been using the 44.9 degree undercut trick out of necessity because my big orange box store saw isn’t nearly as accurate as your Laguna. Cheers!
Cheers!
Bravo, wonderful information......cheers from Florida, Paul
thanks!
Wouldn't it be more astetic to use black wood stain instead of spray paint? What are the benefits?
There's an additional thing to be careful of when using the digital miter gauge to help tilt the blade to 45° (or 49.9°), one which is a bit hard to describe. I think (but am not sure) that the angle of tilt would be inaccurate if the gauge is twisted with respect to the blade, by not being placed on the blade so the long axis of the gauge lies along (or parallel to) the radius line of the blade extending from the center of the blade to its highest point above the tablesaw top. (Imagine tilting the gauge back when it's on the table saw top, then attaching it to the vertical blade in the same orientation. This would throw off the angle measurement when the blade is tilted.) There is bound to be a clearer way of describing the issue than what I just gave though!
It's called a coffin cut...
Really nicely produced video... Fun to watch, keeps my attention 👍👍
I was looking for info on the #-D printed dial indicator holder for the miter gauge slot. Nice idea on the miter joints. Excellent video production.
Thanks!
So funny we in the prefinished trim installation industry (cabinet and hardwood trim installation have been over cutting outside corners and under cutting inside corners for years One reason is to keep the outside edge tight when the wood changes due to drying out.
Every comment?!?! That's awesome mate! Oh, and so is your presentation. I kinda thought that's the fix you were aiming at, but you really did present in a highly creative and informational way. Well done!
thanks man! Appreciate it a lot!
If you deliberately introduce a gap to the joint aren’t you significantly reducing the strength of the joint because the two surfaces will not fully touch each other because of the deliberate gap???? Please respond if I am incorrect
Excellent information. Thank you!
this is actually a pretty common thing in engineering where we use a lot of negatives tolerances, we'll for example write "45° +0/-0.1" to say "I want this angle to be maximum 45° and minimum 44.9°", this is used not only for angles but also for dimensions and loads of other parameters in order to ensure that mass produced parts will always be able to fit together
Hi Great video can you tell me what the material for the main box was thanks
Snyggt. Men On är neråt och Off upp, aaaahh😊
Var får man tag på såna snygga toggles?
Haha ja jag vet, det var lite irriterande. Jag tror att jag köpt den på amazon
I am curious how to achieve the same result on the sliding mitre saw. Please advise. It is very tough to get an angle of 44.9 deg. Accurately and repeatedly.
Good solution, need to give it a try. I Had good result with long miters using the L-fence.
I havent tried the L-fence but that's something I want to do.
A good point shown in this video but not expressed is perfecting working methods on shop projects before going to finer work.
true!
nice job! could you tell me please what kind of black wood you used in this video ? Sorry i am new woodworker
Excellent video! Thank you.