@@cben86 one would assume so, but to be fair, there's not really much to be done about it. Weight reduction on every part comes with a more or less substantial impact on performance. At a quick glance, the frame really is the only component that has some sort of wiggle room during construction, but even that is limited by the layout they're going for, like high pivot with idler etc. Tires, dampers, wheels are all too relevant for performance to prioritize overall system weight over individual characteristic. Shifting systems would be another one to maybe gain a little bit of wiggle room, but they're tied to sponsors and product selection isn't exactly abundant. That leaves teams with contact points like bars and saddles and those are usually rather specific choices for most riders as well. So that really doesn't leave them with anything they can change, so I guess they just ignore system weight unless they notice a specific need for it.
Video contents 0:00 - Finn Iles Helmet Drop 0:46 - WeAreOne 1:56 - More Than 200mm in a Fork? 3:02 - MS Intense 4:10 - Norco Factory Racing 6:42 - Transition Factory Racing 7:11 - Loris Vergier's Trek with Mass Dampers 9:18 - Giant Factory Off-Road 11:17 - Mondraker 12:33 - Gwin Racing 13:10 - Atherton Racing 13:43 - Gamux 14:22 - Production Pivot Firebird 2Chainz
@@mitialexso if you crash your bike and it got damaged from the crash, they should give you a free new frame because it‘s only a week old? You don’t get the difference of a „crash“ replacement and warranty issues with a frame?
That really is nothing new though. Dh bikes always had the upper hand over enduro bikes in the weight category. They basically have to be able to handle comparable forces so there's not much weight to be lost on the frame and they utilize most of the same components. The big difference is the drivetrian which adds quite a bit of weight with modern 12 speed setups as well as dropper posts adding another substantial amount of weight. Then there's the saddle where some dh riders will opt for a lightweight model, sacrificing comfort, while enduro riders may often chose the slightly heavier but comfortable option. All of that quickly adds up.
35 to 39 lb is par for the course on world class bikes. Ultra-dominant Minaar's Norco weighs 45 lbs, above. Considering the large features and 50 mph speeds attained, it seems reasonable, toward avoiding mistakes and keeping the show going. I think you're referring to a young company's current sled which is still early the development of its current generation, which seemed to have its ballast adapter in place on the scale, so avoiding a crash may be more important than a podium, toward selling bikes though ride quality reviews rather than fleeting top-3s.
@@leafydialupking1 Agreed. I re-wrote and re-structured my reply after my first draft didn't post. I addressed the WAO in my second paragraph, I think. Possibly if interest, of the company's founders has a collaboration video series on UA-cam with a carbon fiber-manufacturi g distrubutor featuring a build of his gen 1 version, if memory serves. That said, I hear you point that it is not 'light'; I do stand by my counter-point that the bike is light, having followed mountain bike racing through magazines, etc. since the early 90s, when bikes in that decade often weighed in the 40-50 lb range. 39 lb is light and fast, and both presumably built to last, and to handle. If your build is lighter, that's great. I hope you get a lot of happy, healthy hours in its saddle
@@William.DriscollWAO may be an early team with a semi prototype bike, but they’re also one of the lightest already. I think it’s more the era, than my build, that explains the weight. My gambler is from the peak weight weenie days of biking. I bet if I swapped it to a boxxer35, carbon wheels, trail casing tires, and maybe an air sho shock, it would weigh less than my trail bike. Bikes are never going to be as like as they were in the mid 20teens ever again.
2015 Giant glory size large in full AL frame, with tubes was at 33.5 lbs, and it was $7k, 10 years later, the bikes are double the price, carbon, tubless and weight 10-15% more, and we are calling it high tech.... how did we get here
I agree on the prices being ridiculous, but the rest doesn't make sense. Your argument suggests that weight is the ultimate metric to determine performance, which it's not. The weight increase can be precisely tracked down to the drastic increase in frame sizes as well as wheel diameter. Both of those changes added massive performance gains to the bikes, but came at an inevitable weight penalty. Also some of those bikes' weights included specific components which weren't available or used 10 years ago, like the gamux gearbox, o-chain systems or tire inserts. Those aren't a regression in terms of constructing light bikes, they're just additional components. Though I'll take heavy modern bikes over lightweight old bikes any day.
They've been continually smashing it in that category for a while now. My guess is it's part of some sort of inclusion focused initiative and they hired a blind designer for their graphics.
It's been a thing for decades. Just a superstition about dropping your helmet intentionally in order to get the inevitable first hit out of the way while it's not on your head. Athlete's minds can be weird, but at that level you do what helps you get your head in the right mindset.
I do it to mine from my bmx racing days and I would drop it on concrete.... nice shinny helmet means u gonna crash and wreck it... scratch ut up and we good
Thanks guys! Except Mondraker 😂
Says a lot, that pro teams, that obsess about every minute detail, don't even know the weight of their bikes.
You would think that teams would track this though
@@cben86 yes. Not surprised they don't mind the weight, but interesting they don't even know.
@@cben86 one would assume so, but to be fair, there's not really much to be done about it. Weight reduction on every part comes with a more or less substantial impact on performance. At a quick glance, the frame really is the only component that has some sort of wiggle room during construction, but even that is limited by the layout they're going for, like high pivot with idler etc.
Tires, dampers, wheels are all too relevant for performance to prioritize overall system weight over individual characteristic. Shifting systems would be another one to maybe gain a little bit of wiggle room, but they're tied to sponsors and product selection isn't exactly abundant. That leaves teams with contact points like bars and saddles and those are usually rather specific choices for most riders as well. So that really doesn't leave them with anything they can change, so I guess they just ignore system weight unless they notice a specific need for it.
@@bikesnblades6737 it’s not about weight reduction but rather tracking variables and performance.
My 2010 Tr 420 weighed 40 lbs.
I think 36 lbs is the sweet spot!
Always love seeing Evan in these videos. The man!
Finally! I've been waiting this a long time!
The new Pivot Phoenix is dope
Video contents
0:00 - Finn Iles Helmet Drop
0:46 - WeAreOne
1:56 - More Than 200mm in a Fork?
3:02 - MS Intense
4:10 - Norco Factory Racing
6:42 - Transition Factory Racing
7:11 - Loris Vergier's Trek with Mass Dampers
9:18 - Giant Factory Off-Road
11:17 - Mondraker
12:33 - Gwin Racing
13:10 - Atherton Racing
13:43 - Gamux
14:22 - Production Pivot Firebird 2Chainz
Gracey on the Norco feels absolutely bonkers.
pivots dh bike weighs a pound less than my enduro 💀
Yeah, but it is one crash only, and then you need a new frame..
And they only offer a discount, doesn’t matter that you have the bike for 1 week.
@@mitialexso if you crash your bike and it got damaged from the crash, they should give you a free new frame because it‘s only a week old? You don’t get the difference of a „crash“ replacement and warranty issues with a frame?
We Are One 🇨🇦 bike was sick. Want
Great video! Next video should be disassembly of the bikes to figure out sprung-to-unsprung ratios please 😂
new pivot looks dope but im a bit concerned about the weight but, as a ex pivot owner, I trust the brand 100%
That pivot weighs about 0,5kg more than my aluminium 160/150mm trail bike with EXO/EXO+ tires. Let’s hope it doesn’t snap a head tube 😅
My S4 Enduro with DH tires is about the same weight,only the frame is carbon and my build is very basic with alloy parts
That really is nothing new though. Dh bikes always had the upper hand over enduro bikes in the weight category. They basically have to be able to handle comparable forces so there's not much weight to be lost on the frame and they utilize most of the same components. The big difference is the drivetrian which adds quite a bit of weight with modern 12 speed setups as well as dropper posts adding another substantial amount of weight. Then there's the saddle where some dh riders will opt for a lightweight model, sacrificing comfort, while enduro riders may often chose the slightly heavier but comfortable option. All of that quickly adds up.
@@josemorenoporras7506 and enduros have a reputation for head tube cracks
2:01 this dude has Elijah Wood eyes holy
The Pivot is probably a nice bike, just needs some 3kg of weight added to be fast😅
Wow. 36 lbs for a DH bike! Crazy good. I wish there were 26 lb. Enduro bikes.
Gregs new full power emtb weighs about the same as his dh race bike
this is why you see a lot of pros riding ebikes off season getting the laps in at practically the same weight
Once you get used to 180mm travel ebikes that weigh 50+ lbs and it feels amazing 40lb bikes sound feather light
Was curious on that polygon...assume its a slab but if it comes to market will probably be a competent DH rig for a $3k or less price point.
Ok I'll answer for Mondraker let's assume it's a Dune R without motors?
Fair? 😂
that pivot is lighter than my enduro
When they put heavy weights on the bottom bracket instead of shifting to gearbox transmissions. The fix is so simple.
Sram and shimano are mostly team sponsors and they don't think the R&D for gearboxes is worth it
@@kingflynxi9420 SRAM and shimano already do r&d for gearboxes, they each have multiple patents on gearboxes already
How in the holy hell do factory mtb teams NOT know exactly what their bike weights?
Where's Yeti
My Enduro Steel hardtail is just under 15kg so.........Ha!
3:32 Nice mustache
I am jealous!
Pivot is lighter by a few grams than my Jeckyll with DD tires and pedals 😅
Fk me 😂
2x
BODY SHAMING DH BIKES IS WRONG 😂
Lewis brakes!
39 pounds is not a light DH bike. My Aluminum Scott Gambler with the heavy Suntour Rux fork is 35.8 pounds with tire inserts.
35 to 39 lb is par for the course on world class bikes. Ultra-dominant Minaar's Norco weighs 45 lbs, above. Considering the large features and 50 mph speeds attained, it seems reasonable, toward avoiding mistakes and keeping the show going.
I think you're referring to a young company's current sled which is still early the development of its current generation, which seemed to have its ballast adapter in place on the scale, so avoiding a crash may be more important than a podium, toward selling bikes though ride quality reviews rather than fleeting top-3s.
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@@William.DriscollI was taking about the WAO at the beginning that they called light.
@@leafydialupking1 Agreed. I re-wrote and re-structured my reply after my first draft didn't post. I addressed the WAO in my second paragraph, I think.
Possibly if interest, of the company's founders has a collaboration video series on UA-cam with a carbon fiber-manufacturi g distrubutor featuring a build of his gen 1 version, if memory serves.
That said, I hear you point that it is not 'light'; I do stand by my counter-point that the bike is light, having followed mountain bike racing through magazines, etc. since the early 90s, when bikes in that decade often weighed in the 40-50 lb range.
39 lb is light and fast, and both presumably built to last, and to handle.
If your build is lighter, that's great. I hope you get a lot of happy, healthy hours in its saddle
@@William.DriscollWAO may be an early team with a semi prototype bike, but they’re also one of the lightest already. I think it’s more the era, than my build, that explains the weight. My gambler is from the peak weight weenie days of biking. I bet if I swapped it to a boxxer35, carbon wheels, trail casing tires, and maybe an air sho shock, it would weigh less than my trail bike. Bikes are never going to be as like as they were in the mid 20teens ever again.
2015 Giant glory size large in full AL frame, with tubes was at 33.5 lbs, and it was $7k, 10 years later, the bikes are double the price, carbon, tubless and weight 10-15% more, and we are calling it high tech.... how did we get here
Yeah weight doesn't matter in DH
Bikes feel a lot better than they used to now. Especially for taller people.
When we realized light isnt fast, also isn't that 27.5, also wouldn't non sponsored riders choose that if it was better.
I agree on the prices being ridiculous, but the rest doesn't make sense. Your argument suggests that weight is the ultimate metric to determine performance, which it's not. The weight increase can be precisely tracked down to the drastic increase in frame sizes as well as wheel diameter. Both of those changes added massive performance gains to the bikes, but came at an inevitable weight penalty. Also some of those bikes' weights included specific components which weren't available or used 10 years ago, like the gamux gearbox, o-chain systems or tire inserts. Those aren't a regression in terms of constructing light bikes, they're just additional components. Though I'll take heavy modern bikes over lightweight old bikes any day.
Have you had the pleasure riding a modern 29er (or mixed) dh sled on a proper track? It's euphoric...especially for a taller bloke like me.
And the award for ugliest combination of color and graphic design goes to Norco.
They've been continually smashing it in that category for a while now. My guess is it's part of some sort of inclusion focused initiative and they hired a blind designer for their graphics.
Nobody gonna address the helmet drop? Wtf was that about?
It's a superstition, to break the helmet in, so to speak
its pretty common, it is believed that a new, fresh, clean helmet is bad luck. Dont wanna say conspiracy but its kinda like that
hehehe yes Finn is weird with his helmet
It's been a thing for decades. Just a superstition about dropping your helmet intentionally in order to get the inevitable first hit out of the way while it's not on your head. Athlete's minds can be weird, but at that level you do what helps you get your head in the right mindset.
I do it to mine from my bmx racing days and I would drop it on concrete.... nice shinny helmet means u gonna crash and wreck it... scratch ut up and we good