We use Evie Tritium chargers most of any (about $700 since April) and hoping that they release this feature to more peoples accounts soon. Really makes it so much easier. Thanks for being an advocate for all us EV owners. Veterans and newbies alike. Would have never bought an EV had it not been for your channel!
I used 2 Evie chargers yesterday. Super easy with zero hassles. Vastly superior to Ampol EV charging where I've had nothing but problems including on Thursday at Pheasants Nest where it took me 45 min just to connect. Even their customer service people couldn't help. I'm going with Evie from now on, on my trips between Canberra and Sydney.
Handshake lag is real and if there’s a secure way to plug in, charge and get going … then I’m all for it 🙏 Agreed, Evie has suddenly become the easiest CPO to use for non-Tesla EVs with Autocharge
Now if someone can make an "all in one" app for all the different brand charging networks for the occasions that this might not be available. Scan a QR box at the charger, and the app can detect the brand, location & charging bay, and just plug in. Good to see the EV infrastructure mature as time goes on. Won't be long and hopefully be as easy or easier that filling up with peteol/Diesel.
Autocharge is a great feature. Long overdue. Closer to Telsa experience. However only one car per account allowed at this stage…..While Tesla allows multiple cars per account. But Evie is now a another great option with Autocharge 👍
Does this mean any random person can stop your charging at any time? I definitely like the convenience, however I would prefer if there was an option to only stop charging via unlocking the charging port, or using the RFID card.
Stopping charging like that is not unique to Autocharge, you can stop the charge regardless of which payment method. It occurs with other CPOs too … but I do get what you are saying, there has to be a more secure way to stop the charge
@@LudicrousFeedVery insecure if someone can just stop the charging by pressing the button. Maybe a keypad or biometric scanner to stop the charging, which will make it more costly.
Yes, anyone can stop a charging session by pressing the STOP button. And I know, because it happened to me once last year. Some impatient dude in a Tesla unilaterally decided that I had been charging long enough and hit the stop button knowing I’d get the “charging complete” notification on my phone (even though my target SoC had not been reached) and I’d come back to my car. I could have had the argument with them but I couldn’t be arsed. Have it, arsehole.
OK - can someone explain why these other EVs like BYD have rubber port plugs underneath the charge port cover? They look annoying and unnecessary. Tesla doesn’t have them, and I’ve not heard anyone complain that dust, dirt or moisture is getting into their charge port. After 5 years, mine looks completely clean and totally fine.
Great demo Tom, thanks. I just wanted to check whether I could rely on my Covid vaccination to provide the required static MAC address? If so, I believe the charging bill would go to the Kremlin - which would be quite a saving for me.
Autocharge is good, Plug & Charge is more secure so my concern is theft of credentials or information due to lack of encryption with Autocharge in the data transfer. I assume you mean MAC address as in like in computers MAC address. I'd say Chargefox is a larger network definitely is in the state I live in, Tassie, they haven't yet gone to P&C or this. All EVie 350kW chargers in Tassie are the ancient 350kW units only their newer 50kW units in a couple places can do this. Look forward to watching the LS in replay with Hollywood Riz and yourself as I am not sure I'll make it live, depends what time it's scheduled for.
The Evie website explains about Autocharge security: “ … We also use a one-way hash to de-identify your MAC Address from our backend, so you car’s full MAC address is not sent to or stored by Evie … “
@@LudicrousFeed I'll take their advice with a grain of salt mind you. The protocol is unsecured and isn't even a international standard under ISO unlike P&C.
Pretty hard for someone to intercept or guess a MAC address. Certainly a lot harder than the 8-digit hexadecimal on the Mifare cards, which are also relatively easy to replicate.
@@TassieEV The MAC ID is only passed in a notionally ‘insecure’ way between the car and the DCFC via the shielded charge cable. After that, all comms between the DCFC and the CPO, to verify that you are an active account holder, is done securely using standard encrypted TCP/IP tunnels. So while it is theoretically possible someone could ‘sniff’ your MAC ID from the charging cable, I think that you would notice the person standing right next to you with a laptop and a lead running to a sensor clamp around the cable.
Honestly, i dont have any issue tapping the RFID card. Now that NRMA can be activated with the Chargefox RFID you really need 2 cards only to survive (if travelling in a Tesla). If I want convenience i want it all the way Tesla style: Press the button on the handle, the charge port pops open and you plug in. Done. Not sure why the rest has these 2 annoying rubber cups dangling in the wind.
Wow, 68 to 73 cents is price gouging in my opinion. No wonder your heading home for further charging. There's a big difference between 8 cents to (68 to 73) cents per kwh.
5c/kWh discount for using the app And yes much better to charge at home if possible 😁 DC charging only for long drives and for those without off street parking/charging
So Evie opened it up to some early release group, that's fine. But now it has been a week and they're even emailing customers in their July newsletter about this feature. But then it's not available yet. Seems odd to be promoting it and basically telling people to "stay tuned". If it's so great, why don't you just make it widely available now, more than a week after the initial announcement? I don't think I'll even use this feature because of the potential MAC leak (even obfuscated). Yes they say it is hashed but how do we know what type of hash/algo is used? RFID is fine for me.
I don’t think it’s insecure. The MAC ID is only passed in a notionally ‘insecure’ way between the car and the DCFC via the shielded charge cable. After that, all comms between the DCFC and the CPO, to verify that you are an active account holder, is done securely using standard encrypted TCP/IP tunnels. So while it is theoretically possible someone could ‘sniff’ your MAC ID from the charging cable, I think that you would notice the person standing right next to you with a laptop and a lead running to a sensor clamp around the cable 🙄
Is Evie (and any other provider for that matter) making any money? Are they profitable? We only have one car here in Canberra and to me, the charging infrastructure has another 10 years to grow before I can consider EV adoption as I want 100% availability while on the road..
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Evolution of the product, great to see. Good update as always Tom. Cheers!
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Thanks 👍
We use Evie Tritium chargers most of any (about $700 since April) and hoping that they release this feature to more peoples accounts soon. Really makes it so much easier. Thanks for being an advocate for all us EV owners. Veterans and newbies alike. Would have never bought an EV had it not been for your channel!
@@Audios81 Pleasure! Glad you’ve found my content helpful 🙏
I used 2 Evie chargers yesterday. Super easy with zero hassles. Vastly superior to Ampol EV charging where I've had nothing but problems including on Thursday at Pheasants Nest where it took me 45 min just to connect. Even their customer service people couldn't help.
I'm going with Evie from now on, on my trips between Canberra and Sydney.
Handshake lag is real and if there’s a secure way to plug in, charge and get going … then I’m all for it 🙏
Agreed, Evie has suddenly become the easiest CPO to use for non-Tesla EVs with Autocharge
Now if someone can make an "all in one" app for all the different brand charging networks for the occasions that this might not be available. Scan a QR box at the charger, and the app can detect the brand, location & charging bay, and just plug in.
Good to see the EV infrastructure mature as time goes on. Won't be long and hopefully be as easy or easier that filling up with peteol/Diesel.
Yup the app to rule them all … or just make PayWave / contactless payment compulsory
Nice! 👍
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Nice feature but with only 4 Evie locations here WA not much use.
Autocharge is a great feature. Long overdue. Closer to Telsa experience. However only one car per account allowed at this stage…..While Tesla allows multiple cars per account. But Evie is now a another great option with Autocharge 👍
Yes that's true only one car per account for now ...
I guess it's easy enough to just set up multiple accounts?
I exclusively use Evie as it's the closest fast chargers to me. This feature is amazing. Thank you @evienetworks
Makes life a lot easier for sure
which highway routes have compatible chargers? looks like Syd-Bris doesn't
Hopefully it’ll become clearer on the Evie app soon which ones are Autocharge compatible
Oh, it does - it's a glaring gap lol
Does this mean any random person can stop your charging at any time? I definitely like the convenience, however I would prefer if there was an option to only stop charging via unlocking the charging port, or using the RFID card.
Stopping charging like that is not unique to Autocharge, you can stop the charge regardless of which payment method. It occurs with other CPOs too … but I do get what you are saying, there has to be a more secure way to stop the charge
@@LudicrousFeedVery insecure if someone can just stop the charging by pressing the button. Maybe a keypad or biometric scanner to stop the charging, which will make it more costly.
Yes, anyone can stop a charging session by pressing the STOP button. And I know, because it happened to me once last year. Some impatient dude in a Tesla unilaterally decided that I had been charging long enough and hit the stop button knowing I’d get the “charging complete” notification on my phone (even though my target SoC had not been reached) and I’d come back to my car. I could have had the argument with them but I couldn’t be arsed. Have it, arsehole.
OK - can someone explain why these other EVs like BYD have rubber port plugs underneath the charge port cover? They look annoying and unnecessary.
Tesla doesn’t have them, and I’ve not heard anyone complain that dust, dirt or moisture is getting into their charge port. After 5 years, mine looks completely clean and totally fine.
@@beforetheinternet I also wouldn’t mind hearing an explanation for the covers/plugs seen in most other brands 👂
Cant find it in the app
Only available as early access for now …
Other people have said early August for wider rollout
Tom can you use the Evie charger to charge a Tesla for backup?
@@enzodarro179 yes you Can
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks Tom I'll watch the ep again.
Great demo Tom, thanks. I just wanted to check whether I could rely on my Covid vaccination to provide the required static MAC address? If so, I believe the charging bill would go to the Kremlin - which would be quite a saving for me.
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Autocharge is good, Plug & Charge is more secure so my concern is theft of credentials or information due to lack of encryption with Autocharge in the data transfer. I assume you mean MAC address as in like in computers MAC address. I'd say Chargefox is a larger network definitely is in the state I live in, Tassie, they haven't yet gone to P&C or this. All EVie 350kW chargers in Tassie are the ancient 350kW units only their newer 50kW units in a couple places can do this. Look forward to watching the LS in replay with Hollywood Riz and yourself as I am not sure I'll make it live, depends what time it's scheduled for.
The Evie website explains about Autocharge security: “ … We also use a one-way hash to de-identify your MAC Address from our backend, so you car’s full MAC address is not sent to or stored by Evie … “
@@LudicrousFeed I'll take their advice with a grain of salt mind you. The protocol is unsecured and isn't even a international standard under ISO unlike P&C.
Pretty hard for someone to intercept or guess a MAC address. Certainly a lot harder than the 8-digit hexadecimal on the Mifare cards, which are also relatively easy to replicate.
@@TassieEV The MAC ID is only passed in a notionally ‘insecure’ way between the car and the DCFC via the shielded charge cable. After that, all comms between the DCFC and the CPO, to verify that you are an active account holder, is done securely using standard encrypted TCP/IP tunnels.
So while it is theoretically possible someone could ‘sniff’ your MAC ID from the charging cable, I think that you would notice the person standing right next to you with a laptop and a lead running to a sensor clamp around the cable.
Honestly, i dont have any issue tapping the RFID card. Now that NRMA can be activated with the Chargefox RFID you really need 2 cards only to survive (if travelling in a Tesla). If I want convenience i want it all the way Tesla style: Press the button on the handle, the charge port pops open and you plug in. Done. Not sure why the rest has these 2 annoying rubber cups dangling in the wind.
I once drove the Atto 3 on a road trip with the cups flapping about 😆
- The lid had shut close after I picked up some speed lol
So many people taking up ev cars via a lease. I do fear the current infrastructure will be overwhelmed.
Charging infrastructure will need to keep pace …
Doesn't look like the cost of the charge is readily displayed - neither charger nor car.
I got an email from Evie with session details (including costs) as I always do. You can also check the app immediately afterward for same details
@@LudicrousFeed Excellent!
I heard that all VW group EV's won't be compatible because there MAC address is dynamic 😢 is this correct anyone?
We probably need a greater discussion around the use of MAC addresses for this convenience in due course …
Yes but they are working on it.
That is correct.
Wow, 68 to 73 cents is price gouging in my opinion. No wonder your heading home for further charging. There's a big difference between 8 cents to (68 to 73) cents per kwh.
5c/kWh discount for using the app
And yes much better to charge at home if possible 😁
DC charging only for long drives and for those without off street parking/charging
Those credit card terminals aren't cheap.. and Evie doesn't get your info. Price of information.
My peak electricity rate is 50c/kWh, offpeak is 30c/kWh so not that bad
@@brandonokeeffe1193 check agl ev electricity offer it is 8c from 12:00 to 6:00
So Evie opened it up to some early release group, that's fine. But now it has been a week and they're even emailing customers in their July newsletter about this feature. But then it's not available yet. Seems odd to be promoting it and basically telling people to "stay tuned". If it's so great, why don't you just make it widely available now, more than a week after the initial announcement? I don't think I'll even use this feature because of the potential MAC leak (even obfuscated). Yes they say it is hashed but how do we know what type of hash/algo is used? RFID is fine for me.
Might be good for someone from Evie to appear on our live stream to discuss the security concerns around MAC usage
I don’t think it’s insecure. The MAC ID is only passed in a notionally ‘insecure’ way between the car and the DCFC via the shielded charge cable. After that, all comms between the DCFC and the CPO, to verify that you are an active account holder, is done securely using standard encrypted TCP/IP tunnels.
So while it is theoretically possible someone could ‘sniff’ your MAC ID from the charging cable, I think that you would notice the person standing right next to you with a laptop and a lead running to a sensor clamp around the cable 🙄
and those cia bots will say now the 'ccp' has your credit card details 😂
Yes …
Not how this tech works... (unsure if you're trolling)
@@snip3d pretty sure they are being sarcastic 😆
holy crap 73c/kWh - that's almost as much as petrol. yeah no thanks
That’s why I charge at home when possible! I reserve DC charging for when I’m driving long distance
Is Evie (and any other provider for that matter) making any money? Are they profitable? We only have one car here in Canberra and to me, the charging infrastructure has another 10 years to grow before I can consider EV adoption as I want 100% availability while on the road..
I’d say we need to see value added services eg food and beverage associated with charging to see CPOs make it into the black
Emm aye see address 😂
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