Does a 10 Speed Tow Better? GMC vs Ford Mashup Towing MPG Test
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2018
- ( www.CMtrailers.com ) 2018 GMC Yukon V8 10-Speed vs Ford F-150 V6 10-Speed vs Towing 7,000 lbs MPG comparison.
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Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare the Yukon to the new Expedition or Navigator?
There’s a reason it’s called a mashup...
KYoss68 Yukon would still lose lol
KYoss68 that’s what I thought it was going to be but it wasn’t. Haha
But the Yukon won
The probably can't get the new expedition yet
You guys did an excellent job with this video. Exactly the right amount of information vs "humor". Really like the way Andre delivers his points without seeming too biased.
Great video. Love the information. Keep up the good work.
I love you guys commitment to accuracy in testing. Great job! One thing missing is talk about how a normally aspirated engine looses 3% of its hp, an tq for every 1k above sea level. Was this test done at sea level? I feel that the reason the fuel mileage was so similar is because the Dinali was compensating out of pure displacement, where as the F150 was actually running very efficient. 3% is a lot of Hp loss especially when running the Gauntlet.
Thank you for showing the gear ratio👍🏼
Good video. You guys work well together. Very informative.
Love the video. Just wanted to let you know that your videos won't play on my TV for some reason. Never happens with any other UA-cam videos. Must be the format? Works on my tablet though. Keep up the great work!
I would be interested to know the difference in curb weight between this and the F150 they tested.
I've never seen a GM computer properly calculate mileage. I find it interesting that in my experience GM consistently shows 2-3 mpg better than actual.
I don't understand it either, my Ford is usually .5-2 mpg high. Yet my Peterbilt semi can calculate the exact fuel used down to .1 of a gallon over an entire 4000 mile trip.
Another great video.I'd love to see y'all do a video of the F150 on 2wd MPG vs the 4A setting.
Just curious, are you guys planning a regular review of the Yukon?
Do you check the tire pressure ? Because it could affect the fuel consumption.
Excellent video!!
RoyalKingA73 has
now to test the Lincoln Navigator and see how it stacks, I think that's a better comparison with the Denali than the F150
Bogdan Oros Lincoln is to the escalade.
The Yukon is literally the same weight and drivetrain as the Escalade, It's like Comparing the Expedition's performance to the Navigator... It's all the same components just looks nicer and cost more.
Jason Davis the navigator uses the raptor ho V6 compared to the regular on the expedition. The Yukon and Escalade are identical
Oh wow! I did not know that! Thanks
When they forget the difference between GMC and Chevy is the name. Could literally turn a Denali into an Escalade by changing the wheels, steering wheel and emblems and grill.
Do you add a trailer brake controller to vehicles that don’t have one, or do you run this test without a trailer brake hookup in some cases?
Great video! RST edition comes with Suburban too, right?
I wonder how an extended cab standard bed LT with the 6.2 and 4wd performs, I'd imagine that's the lightest configuration with that engine. Either that or the Tahoe RST
Ford is working on their next gen Ecoboost. Rumor has it that it will be a two cylinder 1.6 liter quad turbo set-up that produces 475 hp. Yeah, I'm starting that rumor.
Your starting it, and I'm spreading it.
Did you start the 7.0l DOHC as well
And it gets 68mpg if you fill it with jp10 jet fuel, but only 8mpg with super unleaded.
Don't give them any ideas!! LOL
dylan bukovsky Not sure if it’ll be DOHC but a 7L V8 is coming
So what is the overdrive ratio of the 10 speed versus the 6 speed? I bet it's not much. A lot smaller steps between gears though so it will be smoother shifting and should require less fuel to get up to speed. But cruising mileage will be about the same. Now then I'm sure the transmission does not have 10 speed clutches in it. Most likely only 5. It accomplishes 10 speeds by actuating two or more clutches at once. I've dealt with this in heavy duty applications and it works well and is extremely durable. How well these will hold up, time will tell.
Would the weight difference between the Yukon XL and the F-150 give the MPG advantage to the F-150? It seems like comparing the amount a horse and an elephant eats.
Can you do a turbo vs na at your altitude, then repeat at sea level?
Do you think you could hotshot with the GMC Yukon Denali and a 20Ft Flatbed Trailer also Dodge Ram 1500 20ft Flatbed trailer Ford F150 20ft Flatbed Trailer
Did you use the same octane on the Ford?
I guess the difference would be non towing mileage then?
Great video as always, but why pick 70 MPH? Why do you guys think 70 MPH is either an efficient towing speed, or a speed at which either of these transmissions are geared to provide peak efficiency? It would be a harder test, but I'd love to see how your efficiency would increase at 65 and 60 MPH.
I have the same trouble with the hitch cover. We do use it. Towed my 7,000 30' travel trailer many many times with it.
395000 subs, nicely done. Keep up the good work.
I looked for a long time for the right SUV to pull a trailer. Our cargo trailer weighs about the same when pulling. We pull 250 miles each way every month. The Chevy suburban transmissions do not hold up over time. Finally went out and found a fairly low mileage 2004 Ford Excursion and have never looked back. The V10 does get 8-10 daily without a trailer but with a large trailer gets the same. It is a beast pulling. And of course, didn't have to pay 70k. Paid 15k and it was practically new inside and out. We also wanted the Excursion for a family vehicle. Also, can't beat the cargo space.
I really enjoyed this video! Thanks
My 99 F250 4WD V10 got a consistent 10 MPG towing a 3 axle trailer loaded out. I don’t know what the weight was, but it was a breeze to pull. The right tool for the job is better than modifying the wrong one. Of course if you’re only towing occasionally, maybe an ecoboost is fine.
What was the weigh in difference between the two vehicles
Was the total weight 7,000 including trailer as well ?
Did anybody else notice when they topped it off before the run it took more than topping it off after the run? I'm guessing it would only be a tenth or 2 gallons different, but it would change the mpg by about the same. It doesn't really matter I guess, the weather call easily affect (effect?) it more than that.
Doesn't Ford and gm have the same transmission now? Or am I wrong but that was what a couple people told me.
Not surprising - it takes X amount of energy regardless of engine to config to move that weight through that loop. 10 speeds keep everything in the "sweet spot" so you dot rev to high or lug. another great FTL test. Thanks guys.
You guys should do this again but with the 5.0l 10spd f-150
What about the difference In the fuel tanks?
Both ten speeds are a joint venture between fomoco and gm basically identical
Air Ride? Not magnetic anymore? So you were going 70 mph and what were the RPMs? I saw part of the dial at 7:34.. 2000 RPM? Very Nice.
Still Magnetic.
Results as expected. Takes about the same amount of fuel to make power whether it's low displacement turbo or high displacement naturally aspirated engine. I'm going to bet most people that buy a Denali XL don't care much about fuel consumption/efficiency. Keeping the tank full is a tiny % of the ownership cost.
Suv's also have an aerodynamic advantage as well. But it also weighs more. i think that's why we saw such an even end result. maybe a base model chevy suburban work truck of fleet model version with that same engine and trans (which isn't an option) would actually win by a larger margin since the weight would be more even with the truck. probably anyway.
Dalton Michaels Would love to see GM revive the 4.5L Duramax project and make it available in the Suburban/Tahoe platform.
why dont u compare the yukon with ford expedition platinum with the 400hp platinum ecoboost 3.5
can you please do the same test in the V8 F150 because i have very little interest in hearing about the $*($@%^ Ecoboost!!
These things both used the GM / Ford co-developed 10 speed automatic. It's the same box, just tuned differently per manufacturer.
Great review as usual. Question: shouldn't you be using a TOP TIER gasoline in these modern fuel injected vehicles? The TOP TIER website does not show LOVE'S to be top tier. I stay away from gasoline that is not rated to be top tier (Pilot is another one) because over time the fuel injectors can clog. What's up? Are there no Chevron, Mobil, Exxon, 76, or Shell stations around?
Top Tier is literally a marketing gimmick. No manufacturer even recommends it.
isn’t this the same 10 speed transmission Ford and General motors collaborated on??
SUV's will always do better pulling an enclosed trailer than a pickup truck. WIND is a real factor and suv's help deflect some of it away from the trailer
I think the big factor here was that the SUV created a slip stream for the trailer. That is really a big factor. Might not seem like much, but it's a big part of racing, even in bicycles, which would explain the MPG difference even with the weight and engine displacement differences.
The pick up truck had to break the aerodynamics for both itself and the trailer.
I'd be interested to see a more comparable side by side comparison.
What was the weight difference?
The Yukon and the Ford Expedition would be a cool mpg test too.
one thing i noticed was at 70 mph in either vehicle the rpm was about 1700. either of my work vans (2012/2015 chevy express 3500) run the same rpm at 70, both with a 6 speed. are we really gaining anything with a 10 speed other than trans lag shifting gears?? seems like the final drive is the same, only more shifts till you get there
The only thing that matters is final drive ratios, not what the diff size is. Also, if you only put 2 gallons of premium 91 then how do we know if there wasnt 30 or more gallons of regular fuel in the tank before you topped it up. There was no explanation of what was in the tank before the top up. Also what was the temperatures and other weather parameters here. Please list the weather for each mpg test as this affects mpg.
Can you all do a old titan pro 4x vs new off road
Wow super close. How about unloaded?
U guys didn't even test them at the same time an not the same years. Ann it's 9.14 mpg also since u guys rounded. An 9.15 on the Denali.
O.K. you did the comparison, but I only wish it was done with truck to truck.
I do like the looks of that 'Suburban' though! If I win the lottery, I'm going to make a sales rep. somewhere, happy.
Surprised to see GMC matched MPG against Ecoboost. Interesting to see how that will change on going up ike gauntlet.
I must of missed something. Which one tows better. You are only talking about MPG
But there’s the drag coefficient on the f150 with the bed so the testing isn’t set up even for the experiment almost like apples and oranges there two different vehicles but y’all should compare the expedition and then the Denali
Have you ever tested the Acadia all terrain?
I think it's used for towing a lil red wagon up the bunny hill.
Did you guys know that this 10spd trans was co-developed by GM and Ford? Ford did the engineering on it. They're also co-developing a 9spd auto trans for passenger cars which GM has the engineering tasks on. Thus - this makes this test more a test of ENGINES and AERO vs transmissions... :/
LOL at the iPhone not fitting in the center console;s wireless charging tray in the GMC.
Its amazing that you have to spend $60k or more to get a NICE new vehicle these day. I wish i could go back to when $35-40k did just that... I dont really feel surprised the n/a v8 got (slightly) better mpg than the tt ecoboost v6.
Aren't these the same 10 speed?
Yes, they're
Towing 7000 lbs mileage is about the same for most similar gasoline tow vehicles. Especially up hills and mountains! No surprise! With 10 speed maybe touch better. Duramax Diesel may get 2 mpg better! Another test would be flatter ground where lower trans gears may offer little bit better mileage figures. Pulling 7000 up hills uses a lot of gas and cannot get around it!
Dan Fahey is this answer to that comment? It’s seams not
Different transmission calibration
Matt Lopez in software wise
That Yukon is badass and has a Mans Muscle engine under the hood, instead of the Problematic Ford Ecoshit engine and still gets similar fuel mileage.
Why not put the Expedition?
I'm not 100% sure but i believe that transmission is the same in both trucks
What was the Weight of both trucks? Wouldn't shock me if the ford had bit less weight then that Yukon.
arbiter1 it does
The computer calculated MPG on my chevy work truck is always optimistically high vs the real world numbers
Can anyone comment on if the GM/Ford 10 speed is a vast improvement over their previous 8 speed?
Yes, we can comment. The driving experience between the 8-speed and 10-speed is very similar. You would be hard pressed to notice if nobody told you which transmission you had.
The Fast Lane Truck My 6.2L/8 speed Sierra has been an awful experience. With the 10 speed did you encounter any harsh shifting or gear hunting between the 2 manufacturers?
Really? GM's 8 speed is probably one of my favorite transmissions in the industry. It's a vast bit better than Fiat-Chrysler's ZF 8-speed. I'm usually pretty happy when I hop in one of our trucks with either the 5.3 or the 6.2 (I work at a dealership in internet sales, marketing, etc.). I'm just wondering if you got a fluke.
OSTKCabal I've had 2 firmware updates along with a fast learner and a full relearn. Still shifts rough and hunts gears.
Sophal Teav
You should test the Tacoma, that's an awful gear hunting transmission
This is a "reasonable" comparison but definitely not an equal one. If you could have mounted a topper to the bed of the Ford and done this test, it would have been more comparable. Having an exposed bed and a "flat-nosed" trailer, the Ford had much more exposed wind resistance! All this said, virtually Identical mileage is great. I do own a 2018 F150 with the 2.7 ecoboost (and 10-speed tranny) and I tow every day with it. I will be mounting a topper in the future and I am looking forward to seeing how my wind resistance will be reduced by it and how my mileage will be affected. I am averaging 13.2 regularly with the mixed driving and speeds I do.
GM AND FORD PARTNERED UP AND DEVELOPED THAT 10 SPEED TOGETHER. THOSE TRUCKS HAVE IDENTICAL TRANSMISSIONS.
Both Ford and GM did work together to engineer this transmission
What's the gcvwr between either set ups because I'll bet everything the Yukon weighs more as a fully loaded SUV, no aluminum body and a shorter gear ratio. It's impressive it did as well as it did.
for the yukon is 15,400 lbs
heres the ones for the F150
15800
15900
16000
16200
17100
17100
17100
17100
i couldn't find the specific model they tested
I think that what jessie wanted to know was the actual curb weight of the vehicles, not the gross combined weight rating. And as far as that goes, I would bet that the yukon is about a 1000lbs heavier than that F150.
GCVWR stands for Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating
curb weight for the F-150 is 4,851 lbs.
curb weight for a regular yukon is 5742 lbs the XL they used is heavier
Why not compare the GMC Sierra 1500 Denali?
Dan Bailey does the Sierra Denali 1500 have a 10 speed transmission? It’s called mashup! V8 vs V6 suv vs truck but both 10 speeds.
This just shows it takes a certain amount of energy to move mass. The GMC had a little bit of aerodynamic advantage of not having a bed but lost some due to internal efficiencies with two more cylinders and/or weighting more. I do like the solid rear axle on the full size gm SUVs. The low end torque with the ecoboost is great for towing.
Either way, 9mpg sucks. That trailer must be like dragging a parachute around. Bring on the 1/2 ton diesels.
Motores marinos fuera de borda?
These guys are BIAS!
Aren’t they both the same transmission
So why no Ike run with those trailers?
Stillers! ;) Mileage loop in the fire truck next! :D
This seemed to be more of an engine test, rather than a 10-spd. test... ?
GMC looks like a hearse
Since Ford and GM developed this 10 speed together all you have done is compare the difference in the efficiency of the engines and software .. good job, I think
I have this truck and i love it
It's the same transmission, Ford and G M co-developed it.
i suggest a snug fitting rubber cap over where the gas cap would go.
The actual test should've been between the 8-speed yukon vs the new 10-speed yukon, at least they have the same engine so your caption would be more acurate
Tahoe RST, Yukon Denali, Escalade all have 6.2 and 10 Speeds either standard or available, the Escalade is the most expensive by a lot but the Tahoe with the RST package quickly catches up to the Yukon Denali in price. I don't understand why they make vehicles that directly compete with each other. I built and priced all three as close to the same as I could and the Tahoe RST with 6.2 and 10 speed with 4x4 as close to fully loaded as can be $76,000 new the Yukon Denali with the Same 6.2 and 10 Speed and 4x4 also fully loaded built was estimated to cost $81,000 new and the Escalade with the same equipment 6.2 is standard on the escalade as is the 10 Speed, I added 4x4 to make them comparable and it was estimated at $102,000 new. I find it comical that the GMC and Chevy are so closely priced when equally equipped when the GMC is obviously much more appealing when equipped this way, better looking in my opinion and is only $5,000 more but the Escalade is ridiculous at $21,000 more than Yukon Denali which is insane considering they all use the same chassis, same engine, transmission, 4x4 system, seating (with different materials, dash is not all that different), all 3 can be had with basically identical choices in Wheels, and they all offer a big brake Upgrade for the front for the same $2,900. It's just ludicrous that they haven't learned from the past and are still encroaching on their own market for sales. Sure they can argue that the difference in price makes them occupy slightly different shoppers, but the savvy ones will know that you can get basically all the bang and almost all the luxury by going with the GMC and it's only slightly more than the Tahoe but is also a very large amount cheaper than the Escalade.
How about a boosted v8 that gets better mpg than non boosted v8.
Why not use the same gear ratio????
Isn't the Denali going to be heavier also? That would also impact mpg.
Dongi weight doesn’t effect steady state cruise(highway). Really only affects city mileage, braking, acceleration and handling.
Mike then how do you explain lower towing mpg than epa ratings? The trailer plus truck weight in case of the f150 should be lower than the yukon - probably by a good margin.
Dongi there is so much more that plus into fuel economy than weight. Drag coefficient, frontal area, engine, rolling resistance, just to name a few.
Weight is the least significant of highway mileage vs the previous mentioned items.
Mike and weight is the most important. In a big square box like a truck or BOF SUV there is only so much you can do to improve air flow etc.
Dongi you’re a fool. I’m done with this conversation.
If you’d like to back any of your statements up by stating your occupation or education I’m all ears.
Not really very impressive from either rig.
My 2012 crew cab Sierra with the 5.3 and 3.42 got 12.1mpg (hand calculated) pulling a similar trailer of similar weight on an 1100 mile trip.
Ford guy here, V8 all the way.
Boo Ya Me to brother. I love my 2011 Ford F150 with the 5.0L Coyote V8.
3.5 ecoboost is a MUCH better towing engine than any v8
The ecoboost will outperform the v8 all day every day. Much better tq curve.
Hey folks its Trevor C the typical modern truck lover.
Trey K Except for the fact that the ecoboost engines won't outlast the engines in the engines in the 92-96 Ford Trucks not even you're overpriced plastic truck.
I wonder how their mpg numbers would compare during normal driving. I think the whole point of the ecoboost is power when you need it. If youre not towing the mpgs may be better than the gmc. Less boost equals more fuel economy.
Northern Rider GM has cylinder deactivation
Anthony Webber yea, thats the other thing. Not sure there is much of a difference. I had an ecoboost before the power bump. That motor is a beast
Are you guys butthurt, why to many questions, what's the reason for buying a truck or SUV
Rey Perez Excuse me for making conversation. Buying a truck is for torque and towing but it doesnt mean you cant have efficiency. Over time trucks have become way more powerful and way better with fuel consumption.
Wow really did you guys us the tow mode ..
We always set tow mode while towing, although it does not change things at 70 mph on flat highway.
Yea torque converter is locked on flat roads at that speed. All though, no sane person would let their transmission jump/bang/gear hunt up and down up the ike like TFL does. Plus having to let off the gas to stay in legal speed limit causes them to do more gear hunting. They should just manually put it in a gear and let it cruise, best gear would be the 1:1 ratio or closest to it. I'm not hating, I get whyTFL uses tow haul mode when testing 100% stock trucks.
agree , putting it in manual gear selection on cruise control in a flat highway scenario has to be better for the trans , heat , and economy. letting the engine lug out under high load in a high gear is just as inefficient as driving in a gear to low at high rpm. lock it in place. my 15 silverado when towing 7000 lbs is often trying to be in to high of a gear , i noticed better fuel economy immediately when locking into manual mode. less shifting up and down and it actually spent more time if eco mode (4cyld) , because it wasn't having to stay in v8 mode under high load in high gear. my opinion any way. being said the fuel economy improvement was about 1 to 1.5 mpg, but transmission wear should be way less.
These trucks don't have a "Manual" mode...they have a "Maximum Gear Range". the transmission will still shift based on accelerator position and load.
I have a feeling that this 30 second method is not always consistent, and I've watched all your videos. It is next to impossible for a modern day car's MPG calculation to be off by that much: fuel injection is duty cycle is very precise, and speedometer (and odometer) simply cannot be off by 20%. Perhaps you should list computer's MPG values normalized with odometer reading of trip (to normalize speedometer error) next to your pump readings. That might give more insight.
You need something to probe the OBDII
Quite interesting!
Still can't believe how rubbish the fuel is in north America. In the UK our regular fuel is 95 octane but with can get 100 octane!! Love your videos TFL 👍 Fan from the UK.
When are the Steelers playing
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The bottom line is that it takes Fuel to move these vehicles. Fuel. Both of these engines are at peak or near peak efficiency with available technology. 5 stars for both
Griping about the mirrors, it's an SUV, just gotta wait for the 10 speed in the Sierra and Silverado, or put tow mirrors on, which it'll add 5 horsepower each anyway