If I were Tesla I'd be pretty honored that basically another company that looked at the same problem basically validated (and copied!) every Tesla solution. It just confirms that Tesla engineers are top notch, and that even their tradition-breaking decisions (like the single seat) make sense. Every company like Windrose means that we all have to breathe a bit less diesel exhaust, and I'm here for it. I wish them good luck.
The single seat does NOT make sense whatsoever, clearly you aren't a truck driver. And if you are, you're some steering wheel holder in a white Volvo 😂😂
Two years to design, develop and bring to market! Legacy companies couldn't develop a new electronic cab door handle in that amount of time. This is a problem for them.
Very good video, with a very informative and sensible spokesperson. I imagine drivers will end up loving the center drive - not to mention the amazing torque of electrical motors.
With the cost of batteries dropping really low, these will soon be lower total operating cost, longer life, safer, zero maintenance besides tires. Truckers will have no choice to compete.
I'm all for electric trucks! Let them come, the less diesel, the better. And the more companies building them (and probably will license Tesla FSD later) the faster the transition may happen.
Wow. This is really impressive. Equally impressive is watching the procession of heavy electric vehicles in the background. Europe is really forging ahead with the adoption of this technology.
There is a UA-cam channel called electrictrucker - this guy drives through Germany and speaks about his workweeks. The European companies like Scania, Volvo and Iveco are far ahead of Tesla. Their trucks are already on the roads.
Impressing how they took the Tesla design and developed it so much further. Already EU configuration with bed, two charging ports, smart digital camera mirrors. Impressing.
The moon roof would be ideal to grow vegetables in the cab for use by the driver. Imaging picking fresh lettuce, beans etc. It's a wild idea but hey, we live in wild times!
In the EU, BEV trucks are allowed 2 tonnes more than diesel trucks. And a diesel engine with exhaust, coolers and full fuel tanks adds about another 2 tonnes. So basically, the electric axle and batteries can weigh more than 4 tonnes without impacting load capacity.
Rear view cameras, instead of mirrors, are allowed in the USA... and they're available as factory original equipment. While FMVSS 111 (“Rear Visibility") requires mirrors, at least five suppliers of rear-view camera systems have been granted exemptions by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration allowing them to be used instead of mirrors.
Very interesting proof of Tesla concept. I read that the founder Wen Han graduated from Stanford and has raised over $110 million in funding. The plan appears to be to assemble in China, Belgium and the USA. So, a very complicated parts supply to coordinate and at least 3 big factories to get off the ground. Good luck with that! Then they will need $3 or $4 billion more in cashflow to get to breakeven. "Prototypes are easy, production is hard".
So funny to see the comments: Tesla Semi: oNe CeNtRaL sEaT?! oH nO, tHaTs bS, No One wAnTs ThAt, ItS unDrIvEaBlE! Windrose: wow, a central seat, thats perfect!
The definition if hypocritical and ironic all wrapped up into one SMDH. Anything not named tesla or associated with elon has them on their knees bobbing their empty little heads vigorously! 😀👍🏻
Great an alternative to the Musky domain ! Specs, specs, specs, ..... US / Canada should approve , certify these rear view cams immediately. These guys no nothing of OTR driving ! They should have consulted a real driver....... you live in that thing.
How many aerodynamic shapes exist for a puller? Nose must go down as close as possible to the road, glass must be wide and high (love the x and CT for that), Visibility 360 degrees, comfortable seating for up to 13 hours, emergency toilet and as an option a living space including a bed, fridge and other amnesties for long hauls. The real question is how many pullers will be FSD besides Tesla ??? 😮😅
Things will change with the new 700+ NEVI pull-through charger contracts being built for 2025/256, which will be commissioned every 50 miles on USA highways.
@@JensSchraeder well, you could argue that's quite a bad thing. In Europe we have legislation that actually protects workers and mandates how long they can drive before they have to rest. - 9 hours per day (and twice a week up to 10 hours per day) - 56 hours per week (maximum 90 hours per two weeks) - exceptionally one hour longer to reach your home or company when you start a weekly rest period (or two hours more to start a regular weekly rest period) Remember that working time includes all road transport activities, such as: - driving - loading and unloading assisting passengers in getting on and off the vehicle - cleaning and technical maintenance - monitoring of loading and unloading of goods, administrative formalities. you must take a break or at least rest: - 45 minutes for every 4 hours and 30 minutes of driving time (which may be taken as two breaks of 15 and 30 minutes) - 11 hours of rest for every 24 hours of service, which may be split into two rest periods (of first 3 and then 9 hours for a total of 12 hours). this creates at the same time lots of room for EVs and charging. How far can you drive in 4,5 hrs?, with a speed limit of 90 km/h that's about 400km maximum, so you only need to be able to recharge that amount of kilometres in the 45 min., boom with MCS you have a fully fletched truck that has the same capabilities as it's ICE counterparts.
@@vgstb exactly! Same smooth brained thinking said pagers would never take off, cell phones would never become mainstream, tv's would never become mainstream, the internet was nothing on a screen nowhere and would never be anything useful etc etc etc. 😅👍🏻 History is littered and replete with examples anyone with a brain can research and learn from! And trucking companies are businesses and businesses run off of profits. And ev semis are cheaper than ICE tco and more reliable long term=the end! 😎
@@JensSchraeder When working for Cummins in engineering and sales, we learned a lot about charging with the first electric semi we built in 2017. Many warehouse owners consider adding portable chargers when third-party trucks unload at the warehouse, which can range as little as 10 minutes to an hour. Four years ago, I was personally involved in electrical power generation designs at Amazon, Federal Express, UPS, Walmart, and TJ Max. A driver takes 16 minutes to refuel and then a 20 to 30-minute break. This gives them enough time to charge. Things will change once truck and fleet owners see a reduction in maintenance, ease of driving, and fuel costs.
If its a good design. It will be copied. Imitation best form of flattery. On a deeper note i think if you are going to make an efficient semi truck there is not that much variety in exterior design.
@@mconnah1 In this area they are far behind. European companies are already selling Trucks and they are already on the streets. The only way Tesla can win the game in Europe would be with very cheap prices. And if this cop is even cheaper it will be a tough game.
@Tron-Jockey Europe is as big as the US: But sure there are differences: You are not allowed to work longer than 9 hours (54 hours a week) and you have to make your 45 minutes breaks - which is perfect for charging.
I remember the times when some used to laugh about Japanese car brands back in the 80s. Now they are known for great cars of high quality. China did the same but much much faster with cars and now with Trucks. I am no fan and I would not buy a Chinese car (and I would not buy a car from Elon) but they are doing a great job.
- I've actually heard that ridiculous claim before, mind you they could be running those exotic Norwegian mirrors that are made from 6 layers of custom marine grade 4X8 plywood!!!!!!!
The trucks in USA already has cameras as mirrors. Schneider has trucks without conventional mirrors operating on the roads as we speak. Maverick also has trucks with these cameras as mirrors and a few of other companies. He apparently doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I’ll stick with Tesla. Not some cheap knock off brand the looks exactly like a Tesla Semi. WTF? Who approved this?
$300K plus costs to operate the truck + driver. Dude, how will that compare with throwing the container on a electric rail car? Numbers not looking so good eh?
probably bad, but that includes all trucks. trucks suck for long hauls universally. you just have a terrible rolling resistance from rubber on road, with steel on steel its a completely different story. you can have 30.000 tons moved by a single operator, the cost savings potential is huge. The only cons are gigantic investment requirements and rigidity of the system, plus a need for trucks as distributors.
@@12user-u5h No it hasn't, the cab is still too long to meet European regulations for maximum length, even after taking into account the extra length being allowed for aerodynamic efficiency improvements. Tesla just designs stuff and expects everyone else to change their rules to fit them in.
The Semi has been sold on Europe, and although it seems a little bit off design-wise regarding European standards, I don't think it has any problems on meeting safety regulations. Please link me any piece of info that proves otherwise
It will cost less to fuel, way less in maintenance and be subject to less wear and tear due to less moving parts and vibrational loading on all it's components. Hence it will cost less per mile to transport goods for larger companies, less for logistics companies to charge their customers, don't think the "drivers" will have much of a say, the economic arguments are all that counts really. But on the EV thing, every single new car in my village is an EV, every one, Tesla, Kia...., and at work, neighbours, friends, everyone wants an EV.
A huge number of people won't save money by driving EV, haulage companies can make big savings driving EV trucks. A truck burns twice as much fuel in an hour as I burn in a week!
@@the_lost_navigator7266 well said! Average class 8 driven average miles at average mpg consumes between 7,000-10,000 gallons of diesel which weighs 7# a gallon. Plus they consume a gallon of def every 300 or so miles at another 9# a gallon in weight. 😀
How surprising they couldn't come out with their own style The styling of it was stolen from Tesla when you don't have an imagination to create your own vision for the for the future. Without being a monkey see monkey do.
props to the guy, he knows his shit, impressed!
He's a good parrot, but won't get far when his owner has a stroke and can't give him water.
If I were Tesla I'd be pretty honored that basically another company that looked at the same problem basically validated (and copied!) every Tesla solution. It just confirms that Tesla engineers are top notch, and that even their tradition-breaking decisions (like the single seat) make sense. Every company like Windrose means that we all have to breathe a bit less diesel exhaust, and I'm here for it. I wish them good luck.
I'm just a Tesla stock owner, but i thought just as you did.
This is awesome!
The single seat does NOT make sense whatsoever, clearly you aren't a truck driver. And if you are, you're some steering wheel holder in a white Volvo 😂😂
This is an imitation of a Tesla Semi.
I guess we’re not the only ones stealing Tesla’s ideas
Tesla has become the standard for the whole world. I guess these germany company learned it from the Chinese, copy and put some crappy name on it
This is tesla copied 😅
which is basically the best thing to do :)
Well, there is no two ways around it: this is the most aerodynamically sound form factor. Expect all electric truck companies to adapt this design.
And they developed it technically further. EU configuration with bed, 2 charging ports and the smart camera mirrors.
physics are the same for everyone
@@TheDenooneD " Imitation is best form of flattery".
Two years to design, develop and bring to market! Legacy companies couldn't develop a new electronic cab door handle in that amount of time. This is a problem for them.
Very good video, with a very informative and sensible spokesperson.
I imagine drivers will end up loving the center drive - not to mention the amazing torque of electrical motors.
With the cost of batteries dropping really low, these will soon be lower total operating cost, longer life, safer, zero maintenance besides tires. Truckers will have no choice to compete.
Exactly.
@Tron-Jockey truckers could invest in solar to lower charging cost
Great to see new start ups just giving it we are seeing the future.
It does not look as good as the Tesla semi.. but o my how much they have copied!
We need mass produced efficient trucks asap
This May actually work
I'm all for electric trucks! Let them come, the less diesel, the better. And the more companies building them (and probably will license Tesla FSD later) the faster the transition may happen.
Wow. This is really impressive. Equally impressive is watching the procession of heavy electric vehicles in the background. Europe is really forging ahead with the adoption of this technology.
It begins
There is a UA-cam channel called electrictrucker - this guy drives through Germany and speaks about his workweeks. The European companies like Scania, Volvo and Iveco are far ahead of Tesla. Their trucks are already on the roads.
Why couldn't there be two extra seats behind the driver? Maybe folding seat style above the bed?
This is a copycat......let's see jaw far they will go
it's interesting that Windrose is openly providing the battery capacity information... like everyone other than Tesla.
Impressing how they took the Tesla design and developed it so much further. Already EU configuration with bed, two charging ports, smart digital camera mirrors. Impressing.
Did anybody notice @ 7:00? There was an OG, Tesla semi, passing through at the background.
Edison motors anyone..👍😉👌
The moon roof would be ideal to grow vegetables in the cab for use by the driver. Imaging picking fresh lettuce, beans etc. It's a wild idea but hey, we live in wild times!
In the EU, BEV trucks are allowed 2 tonnes more than diesel trucks. And a diesel engine with exhaust, coolers and full fuel tanks adds about another 2 tonnes. So basically, the electric axle and batteries can weigh more than 4 tonnes without impacting load capacity.
Rear view cameras, instead of mirrors, are allowed in the USA... and they're available as factory original equipment. While FMVSS 111 (“Rear Visibility") requires mirrors, at least five suppliers of rear-view camera systems have been granted exemptions by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
allowing them to be used instead of mirrors.
Windrose is an excellent build!
Very interesting proof of Tesla concept. I read that the founder Wen Han graduated from Stanford and has raised over $110 million in funding. The plan appears to be to assemble in China, Belgium and the USA. So, a very complicated parts supply to coordinate and at least 3 big factories to get off the ground. Good luck with that! Then they will need $3 or $4 billion more in cashflow to get to breakeven.
"Prototypes are easy, production is hard".
Somebody is in love with the Tesla Semf, and CLONED IT, was it the Chinese?🤔
Windrose is a Chinese based company. Cloning was inevitable, lol.
Classic Chinese styling right there 🙃
just look at it, its another TESLA KOPYKAT, no offense
8:36 one port on each side: CCS and/or MCS
So funny to see the comments:
Tesla Semi: oNe CeNtRaL sEaT?! oH nO, tHaTs bS, No One wAnTs ThAt, ItS unDrIvEaBlE!
Windrose: wow, a central seat, thats perfect!
The definition if hypocritical and ironic all wrapped up into one SMDH.
Anything not named tesla or associated with elon has them on their knees bobbing their empty little heads vigorously! 😀👍🏻
Very nice.
I'm sure Tesla doesn't mind it at all.
Kudo's to Windrose.
Will Windrose be able to compete cost wise?
Electric trucks are now relatively common in the UK.
Very impressive. Tesla innovated now the world is following. This is exciting and gives me hope that EV trucks will dominate.
no team driving?
automatic doors but no autopilot?
It's called a "perimeter" frame.
Great an alternative to the Musky domain ! Specs, specs, specs, ..... US / Canada should approve , certify these rear view cams immediately. These guys no nothing of OTR driving ! They should have consulted a real driver....... you live in that thing.
Even the basic side mirrors became so hightech and complicated to repair nor replace... Just make a damn vehicle that is efficient period!
That one mrbean meme
Who gave them the cad files and assembly drawings?
2:49 , well we saw Tesla doing that so we did , what a silly question to ask
wow, basically a temu tesla truck
LOL COPY COPY COPY
How many aerodynamic shapes exist for a puller? Nose must go down as close as possible to the road, glass must be wide and high (love the x and CT for that), Visibility 360 degrees, comfortable seating for up to 13 hours, emergency toilet and as an option a living space including a bed, fridge and other amnesties for long hauls.
The real question is how many pullers will be FSD besides Tesla ??? 😮😅
Things will change with the new 700+ NEVI pull-through charger contracts being built for 2025/256, which will be commissioned every 50 miles on USA highways.
Truckers won’t wait to charge. Ain’t gonna happen.
No escaping progress.
@@JensSchraeder well, you could argue that's quite a bad thing. In Europe we have legislation that actually protects workers and mandates how long they can drive before they have to rest.
- 9 hours per day (and twice a week up to 10 hours per day)
- 56 hours per week (maximum 90 hours per two weeks)
- exceptionally one hour longer to reach your home or company when you start a weekly rest period (or two hours more to start a regular weekly rest period)
Remember that working time includes all road transport activities, such as:
- driving
- loading and unloading assisting passengers in getting on and off the vehicle
- cleaning and technical maintenance
- monitoring of loading and unloading of goods, administrative formalities.
you must take a break or at least rest:
- 45 minutes for every 4 hours and 30 minutes of driving time (which may be taken as two breaks of 15 and 30 minutes)
- 11 hours of rest for every 24 hours of service, which may be split into two rest periods (of first 3 and then 9 hours for a total of 12 hours).
this creates at the same time lots of room for EVs and charging. How far can you drive in 4,5 hrs?, with a speed limit of 90 km/h that's about 400km maximum, so you only need to be able to recharge that amount of kilometres in the 45 min., boom with MCS you have a fully fletched truck that has the same capabilities as it's ICE counterparts.
@@vgstb exactly! Same smooth brained thinking said pagers would never take off, cell phones would never become mainstream, tv's would never become mainstream, the internet was nothing on a screen nowhere and would never be anything useful etc etc etc. 😅👍🏻
History is littered and replete with examples anyone with a brain can research and learn from! And trucking companies are businesses and businesses run off of profits. And ev semis are cheaper than ICE tco and more reliable long term=the end! 😎
@@JensSchraeder When working for Cummins in engineering and sales, we learned a lot about charging with the first electric semi we built in 2017. Many warehouse owners consider adding portable chargers when third-party trucks unload at the warehouse, which can range as little as 10 minutes to an hour. Four years ago, I was personally involved in electrical power generation designs at Amazon, Federal Express, UPS, Walmart, and TJ Max. A driver takes 16 minutes to refuel and then a 20 to 30-minute break. This gives them enough time to charge. Things will change once truck and fleet owners see a reduction in maintenance, ease of driving, and fuel costs.
They spoke for so long, did anyone hear the word Tesla?
Yes... And did you see the Troll at 6:59 (🤣)
What ever happened to that. Thor truck company. Building. Electric trucks. Class. 8. . n California
😮 Now we can get the same truck like Tesla in Europe….😉
If its a good design. It will be copied. Imitation best form of flattery. On a deeper note i think if you are going to make an efficient semi truck there is not that much variety in exterior design.
From this guy's information it looks like they had similar requirements as tesla so its not a surprise they arrived at a similar outcome.
Wow… can’t innovate so just copy
They copy and make it better.
@@sonyphotoguy6601 unfortunately the model they copied is already old news… Tesla’s philosophy is to keep ahead with their rapid pace of innovation…
@@mconnah1 In this area they are far behind. European companies are already selling Trucks and they are already on the streets. The only way Tesla can win the game in Europe would be with very cheap prices. And if this cop is even cheaper it will be a tough game.
@Tron-Jockey Europe is as big as the US: But sure there are differences: You are not allowed to work longer than 9 hours (54 hours a week) and you have to make your 45 minutes breaks - which is perfect for charging.
I remember the times when some used to laugh about Japanese car brands back in the 80s. Now they are known for great cars of high quality. China did the same but much much faster with cars and now with Trucks. I am no fan and I would not buy a Chinese car (and I would not buy a car from Elon) but they are doing a great job.
Wilde Kopie
Do dey have to copy,even the interior,and these UA-camr could not tell him as it is, ANYWAYS THESE COMPANY WILL NOT GET TO PRODUCTION...
traditional mirrors do no cost 5% in efficiency.
- I've actually heard that ridiculous claim before, mind you they could be running those exotic Norwegian mirrors that are made from 6 layers of custom marine grade 4X8 plywood!!!!!!!
I'm an expert in Aerodynamics and can confirm 5% is realistic. What are your credentials?
@@glike2
@222INFINITY knows an "Aerodynamicist".... At his local bar (😉)
@@glike2 He’s a couch potato 😂😂😂
they said it's physically impossible. then they copied.
WINDROSE = CARBON COPY
Temu knock off
The trucks in USA already has cameras as mirrors. Schneider has trucks without conventional mirrors operating on the roads as we speak. Maverick also has trucks with these cameras as mirrors and a few of other companies. He apparently doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I’ll stick with Tesla. Not some cheap knock off brand the looks exactly like a Tesla Semi. WTF? Who approved this?
🎃
$300K plus costs to operate the truck + driver. Dude, how will that compare with throwing the container on a electric rail car? Numbers not looking so good eh?
dude doesn't even realize that the highest spec semitrailer trucks can cost 300k$ in Europe. 😂
probably bad, but that includes all trucks. trucks suck for long hauls universally.
you just have a terrible rolling resistance from rubber on road, with steel on steel its a completely different story.
you can have 30.000 tons moved by a single operator, the cost savings potential is huge.
The only cons are gigantic investment requirements and rigidity of the system, plus a need for trucks as distributors.
If it is made in China it will be launched and have a great price and technology
It looks way better than Tesla Semi, and it's designed for the European market. Musk can't think beyond his California millionaire life experience.
Tesla Semi has also been designed for Europe.
The entire concept was copied from Tesla
I hope I have been of help.
@@12user-u5h No it hasn't, the cab is still too long to meet European regulations for maximum length, even after taking into account the extra length being allowed for aerodynamic efficiency improvements. Tesla just designs stuff and expects everyone else to change their rules to fit them in.
@@brendanpells912 You are not informed. Tesla was IAA like in this video with European spec Tesla Semi
The Semi has been sold on Europe, and although it seems a little bit off design-wise regarding European standards, I don't think it has any problems on meeting safety regulations. Please link me any piece of info that proves otherwise
Tesla semi can only transport lightweight bags of potato chips 😂
No one wants to drive electric cars. What makes you think this is gonna fly.
because the freight forwarders do not cry like little babies when their noisy toys are taken away from them
You know the best selling car model on the Planet in 2023 was an EV?
It will cost less to fuel, way less in maintenance and be subject to less wear and tear due to less moving parts and vibrational loading on all it's components. Hence it will cost less per mile to transport goods for larger companies, less for logistics companies to charge their customers, don't think the "drivers" will have much of a say, the economic arguments are all that counts really. But on the EV thing, every single new car in my village is an EV, every one, Tesla, Kia...., and at work, neighbours, friends, everyone wants an EV.
A huge number of people won't save money by driving EV, haulage companies can make big savings driving EV trucks.
A truck burns twice as much fuel in an hour as I burn in a week!
@@the_lost_navigator7266 well said! Average class 8 driven average miles at average mpg consumes between 7,000-10,000 gallons of diesel which weighs 7# a gallon. Plus they consume a gallon of def every 300 or so miles at another 9# a gallon in weight. 😀
How surprising they couldn't come out with their own style The styling of it was stolen from Tesla when you don't have an imagination to create your own vision for the for the future. Without being a monkey see monkey do.
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness”