I'm a retired long haul trucker here in USA. i'm 77 now and drove till I was 73. Wish I could do a few miles in one of those electrics. I drove some with two trailers with maximum road weight of 105,500 pounds. But mostly 53 foot trailers and a 3 axle tractor. and 80,000 pounds max weight. I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for translating to English. My last name is Beck but the only thing I can say in German is "where are my car keys" Thanks again.
I love the American truck culture, and the straight piped trucks are great to look at and sound fantastic. Some of the cab videos are very loud though, Ive always wondered how drivers coped?! haha It must be lovely driving a silent truck!
I had the same thought, brilliant video changing our views about electric trucks…I’m now retired and living in the Canary Islands a wonderful life compared to the pressure of international trucking, I did 50 years and honestly it was better back in the 70s and 80s…Todays roads are better as are the trucks but we had a ball in the old days, driving from Ireland I was doing a round trip to Germany every week, easy trip compared to the old days going down into Syria and Jordan but in those days no conflicts …So sad to see what the Russians did to Syria especially Damascus, being 24 I wanted these adventures but in later years I wanted no hassle ..
60t is very old information, its been 64 for a while in Sweden and now as of very recently its 74 ton loads, in Finland its 76, and Norway I'm not sure, might still be 50 there. I love these videos, keep it up, very professional and good stuff, I really want to see how well this works, clearly things need to improve on many fronts but it seems to work out pretty good! I'm waiting for SCS Software to get their Electric trucks fully supported so you can buy them and drive them anywhere, for now its just quick jobs, 200 - 350 km's... I was supposed to become a real truck driver back in the day, but it did not work out... I'm very excited for these electric trucks, i truely believe this will work out great. I think in 5 years it will be a nobrainer for any truck to be electric, we are so close! Atleast if the upcoming battery tech is to be believed.
Hey, I watched that video about the Scania 40R and I was totally blown away! It's so cool to see how electric trucks are making a difference. I can't believe how far the driver went on a single charge. It gives me hope for a cleaner future. You should definitely check it out!
I watched Tesla Børn from Norway for years. This is so interesting to watch… EV truck transition in Europe. This is especially nice because I just came back from 2 1/2 weeks vacation in Deutschland. Danke!
Trucks are just starting to come onto my feed which has a lot of EVs and renewables. You are a great addition. No love or hate. Just experience and facts.
Thank you for your vlogs, its really opened my eyes to the problems you guys have with charging and infrastructure. i am managing a big change in EU for solar installations and EV charging and i can see you need help with destination charging.
Unfortunately battery technology doesn’t allow for high energy density, so while they are efficient it doesn’t translate to practicality. We will have to wait for the commercialization of SSB from china
@@ozchalupkova4688 Coal power plants are dirty as fuck. Batteries are toxic as fuck. Post COVID energy is expensive as fuck because we have coal power plants mostly.
You have to be compassionate to people with Audism disorder as their existence is miserable and mental health professionals don't recognise the problem, thus not researching into ways to help these obnoxious people properly integrate into society
You've hit the algorithm. First time viewer and new subscriber. These aren't really a thing yet in the States, so it's great to see how it's working for you in Europe.
I have sent many emails trying to be the first in Australia to drive the big triangle between Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney and back to Melbourne in an electric truck. However, with no luck. 🤦🏻♂️ It is great that you are able to do what you do. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The driver probably has free charging with the new vehicle. You're also old and retired so you have nowhere to be. Saving that couple dollars is worth it to them. This is very common to see in the US as well.
The regenerative braking can be used at maximum power until 80% than the power will drop, you can see it when you charge the vehicle above the 80%. This is theoretically with batteries which capacity is below the motor power (>1C), this is not the case. Coasting is always the best way because regen has losses in motor heat and AC to DC conversione. I´ve made a paper about regenerative braking at University but only with cars. Maybe because scania is not 1 gear so the torque has to be optimized in order to regen better and this depends on how much torque the motor can sustain.
i always prefer trains over trucks, but these are still really cool. there will always be roads that will be a lot more difficult to lay track for trains, and electric trucks that can handle steep hills will be a lot cheaper to run until the tunnels can be built.
A website for truckers that gives "vetted" info about various charge stations and their "quirks" would probably be useful in Europe. I am STILL surprised that you can charge at chargers designed for cars (and how easily you can drop your trailer!).
I rarely use an App in the UK called ZapMap, not sure if/how widely used across Europe but gives a section where users can leave comments on specific chargers and report faults if the chargers are broken
Ich habe eigentlich dich immer auf deutsch verfolgt. Es war richtig interessant dich auf englisch zu hören. Man dich sehr gut verstehen. Selbst für ein norddeutschen 😂😂😂. Ich war überrascht wieviele Kommentare hier zu lesen sind. Es gibt viele die sich dafür interessieren und von deinem Wissen profitieren. Da wird es bestimmt einige geben die jetzt ein Auge drauf hat und selst mal schaut auf seinen Diese lrouten wo könnte es laden. Da vielleicht der Fuhrparkleiter mit den Gedanken spielt ein e Lkw zu im die Flotte aufzunehmen. Mach weiter so ❤
I think when they finally arrive in Europe they will be behind the market... Tesla was important to get the revolution started. But they have fallen behind in my opinion.
This is impressive: HGV electrification is probably the last place to fully electrify, and it's great you are showing it really does work, especially when working time limits is starting to be real limitation to daily mileage. We're not completely there yet (there are depots that go back to back with drivers etc). Interesting point about regenerative breaking - I assume a large benefit to E-HGVs and efficiency?
As a retired ship’s captain there is a small translation error in the description of your last load - what you carried were liferafts not lifeboats - lifeboats look like boats and you would only have got one or maybe 2 on the trailer. Looks like you were collecting them from the life raft service centre in Hamburg port.
the overhead lines are one of the solutions i think could really work, one of the few things Siemens has done lately that are a good idea. I live in Arnhem, the only Dutch city with trolley busses. Extending this network has always been a massive pain because of nimbyis. Now the new generation of busses have a relatively small battery that gets used to drive the bus 3 towns over, beyond the range of the overhead lines. once it gets back it has about 40 mins to charge the battery again to make the next lap. The busses don't have to charge quickly at stops, and are about the same price as a normal trolleybus, don't require any new infrastructure, but have doubled the range of the trolley network. Overhead lines are great for HD traction drives.
They did the trials and no they will not proceed, batteries are improving quickly so overhead lines will not be economic except for operations like mining.
Love your solar roof on your Tesla. I have done a 7 countries in 7 days road trip in a Tesla Model S back in 2018 for Cancer Research. I would love to do it again but in a fully electric truck.
15:35 This tiny fire extinguisher is only enough for you to keep your insurance paperwork safe when this giant truck battery encounters thermal runaway 😂
9:55 it is not bad to use the mechanical brakes a couple times a day. You want to prevent any rust and dirt build up on the disks, so they work instantly when you actually need them and stay in good condition.
It would be interesting to see the cost of charging and try to compare versus diesel. Also thank you for translating consumption figures to imperial and metric!
It was mentioned in an older Video at the end. And also in newer Videos he is showing the costs at every charging. Just wait for them to be translated.
So basically he spent $117usd in charging (assuming it was all DC fast charging at 10.7 euro/100km) and travelling 1,032km for the whole trip. Vs spending $665usd in diesel. (at $6.28/gal) all converted for Americans to understand. 🎉 Sounds like a win to me.
that is untill you take into consideration lost time of charging instead of driving and the higher cost of the truck, another downside is the smaller payload
@anubaral Regarding the lost time and smaller payload: Tobias is driving in Germany. As a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive at max 4h30m before taking a break. He mostly uses these breaks in order to charge. So, with enough planning, he is barely losing time. Plus: electric trucks are allowed to carry 2 tons more than diesel trucks, so he could carry the same payloads. The price is a lot higher right now, that's true. But the operation costs are way lower, so over time, it will he cheaper in total
Are you doing English dubs using a synthetic voice based on your actual voice, or are you also fluent in English? Either way, it sounds great! Really well edited together and I enjoyed the occasional bits of German ;-) Appreciate the English reversioning though. The atmos/background sound re-editing to make the dubbed voice fit in with the footage is also a very subtle nice touch which is appreciated. And very cool to see actual real-world pros and cons of early adoption eTrucking adventures... New subscriber 🙂
Great video! It seems like (some?) manufacturers have some very basic issues they need to fix, like regen should be instant, and variable, and not just completely cut off when there's some potential issue. Regen shouldn't be more difficult to control than friction brakes, if anything not having to deal with mechanics should be an advantage. Surely, using friction and regen in combination when regen isn't enough makes things a bit more complicated, but it's still not rocket science. On that note, more powerful motors(/generators) than bare minimum required to get from point a to point b means higher regen capacity. Also motors that are powerful enough to not require multiple gears reduce complexity, and the motors themselves also last longer if they don't have to work at or near their design limit a lot. Electric motors are much closer to their very high maximum efficiency over a very wide range of loads and rpms, even compared to moden diesel engines, so I don't think it's a very good decision to have such weak motors that you need multiple gears in electric trucks. I mean, 400 kW isn't much more than what a lot of passenger cars got. Sure, trucks are more likely to work at high loads for longer periods often than high performance passenger cars are, but then again, the amount of energy required to accelerate and climb remains the same regardless of how fast you do it. So increasing the maximum power significantly wouldn't result in the trucks using that max power as much as the lower powered trucks using their max power, not even close.
Price , weight and efficiency for batteries is still getting better every year, just like solar panels. So larger batteries will be a better option than connecting to a wire above.
Excellent videos, good work! May I ask two questions: 1. If you have to stop more than once per driving day to charge, during your mandatory minimum 45 mn break, like it seems you had to, doesn't it mean that your truck does not have enough range for optimal long-haul transport? The other truck driver you interviewed in your other English-language video said that he was losing 2 hours a day because of the charging. It should not happen! The driver should lose no time at all but the legal rest time to charge, no? 2. I see more and more e-trucks on our roads (I live in Switzerland)... I am surprised that charging sites do not offer "drive-through" charging stations for semis and other towing vehicles! That would come at minimal if any additional costs, as room for parking the trailer must anyway be available! Are those "truck-optimized" charging stations coming?
Hab mich grad voll gefreut weil ich dachte, dass du ein neues Video rausgebracht hast. Dabei wars nur die Übersetzung :( Naja, hier ein Kommentar für den Algorithmus!
I believe that the recuperation only gets about 30-50% energy back, so coasting is far more efficient. So let’s say you are getting of a highway, it would be more efficient to start coasting well before the exit. Downside would be driving slow on the highway before the exit.
For EVs regen is normally a better efficiency than that... nearer 70% but you are correct that coasting gets nearer to using all of the available energy. This is where "one pedal driving" works best because you have total control from zero regen to maximum regen just by altering the accelerator pedal. If trying to optimise any coasting approaches you know that you've got it wrong if you end up having to use actual braking .... any friction braking represents a total loss of energy where you could have potentially recovered up to 70% if using regen.
once i was a bit overloaded (loading in the field , vegetables) and only got to 15km/h uphill . when i arrived at the factory to unload i learned why lol .
@@logitech4873 regenerative braking is like the volvo engine brake in terms of power . i fully understand how much it can do . trucks have had engine brake or retarder options for many years now . the difference in brake wear won't be that high when comparing ice vs ev cars .
The principle is cool, but the costs of installation and maintenance of the overhead lines are massive. With batteries dropping in price, it likely won't be viable.
I also was initially concerned at the prospect of strong regenerative braking on the rear wheels of my EV potentially causing a lock-up. As you found with the truck this hasn't proved to be an issue. In the same way that EV traction control manages rapid acceleration without spinning wheels it also works the other way to avoid slip when using regen. After five winters of driving I can't remember a single instance where regenerative braking caused a lock-up in slippery conditions. (Clearly not all vehicles will necessarily be the same.)
for my car its like this, if it detects any loss of traction while regen braking it will automatically stop the regen brakes and use friction brakes. (polestar 2)
I am surprised that trailers are not equip with battery banks to improve range and braking regen, going further, trailers shoupd have own electric motors and battery banks to enhance trucks efficiently regardless if electric or not. Larger battery array can take more power during regen braking and provide extra boost when needed going uphill. Great video
Air recirculation should always be a physical button - if you round a bend into smoke or a filthy smoke belching diesel pulls away from you at the lights, you need to be able to recirculate the air within 1-2 seconds. No time to jerk around in a menu.
I am wondering how long it will be before we see refrigerated trucks with built-in batteries instead of a dinosaur fuel motor, that hook up and recharge either by themselves - or via the tractor unit.
Motor choices is for optimization. Pulling logs with a 25.25m truck and trailer, or in your case truck, link, and trailer (plus midpoint crane for self loading) will bring your total allowed weight to 80tonnes (private roads) or 64t on public roads.
Interesting with the Sunday driving rules. Nice setup, while charger locations are getting there and to time it with mandatory rest stops, for some Hybrid systems like the new Edisons fill that role also. 12:40 Layout seems a bit offset, unless they have longer cables, but that is power wastage.
Why is charging in bays? They are inconvenient brcause you have to reverse out. Not too good for towing eiher. It appears that petrol and diesel arrangements, where you drive through, is better.
♥what you are doing: high curiosity, high value, highly enjoyable in every way. I'm going to guess that you have a plan for getting your hands on a Tesla Semi when it becomes available in Germany in a commercial context. Meanwhile, Tesla brought the Semi to Germany for display and demonstration purposes at events like the IAA Transportation trade show in Hannover.
I think the pantogram is a great idea! It's not new. Buses and Trains have used these in the past. For the motorway it will be cheaper than installing an induction unit in the road. Though I think this idea is also good for cars and vans.
In the North of Germany they are already experimenting with roads with electric cables overhead where trucks can ride with pantographs, like trains or trams. This seems like a great scheme because it means that the truck can do the main distance (+ charge the batteries) on the power from the cable and only needs the batteries for the last bit to the destination and back from the destination to the highway...
I agree completely thank you for your knowledge. There was a German company that was going to rent out a battery trailer between the motorway service stops. It was going to start in 2014 but never happened. I guess the batteries are now so good, not enough people would use this system. But it could still be an idea for vans and small trucks
With the Iveco, you'll be able to climb that gradient at 80 km/h with a full 42-ton load, rather than crawling at 45 km/h, without the truck even braking a sweat! Same thing going downhill... its regenerative braking will give it additional safety margin, especially on a full load! I think that the Scania 40R is both under-powered and has insufficient battery for long-haul transport. Good luck with the Iveco, if you transition on it, as I have understood you will! I have made a little program, which models the performance and capabilities of the Tesla Semi... and they are simply astounding! Its range, speed (up and down a steep gradient), and towing capacity are ONLY limited by legal driving hours, and official speed limits. You can drive it for a full 9-hour driving day, at full load even in the mountains, without any recharging, or at most a little top-up during the mandatory 45 mn pause. I have yet to find ANY route in Europe where that wouldn't hold true (even if going from sea level to the highest ski resort in Europe!). I can't wait for Tesla to introduce its European version of the Semi!
There will be no european version. Tesla semi will be available in its current form worldwide (confirmed by tesla recently). I would assume the only slight change might be using cameras instead of those massive mirrors in europe, as i have seen quite a lot of trucks running cameras only setup.
@@thavlik1000 Well, at IAA, Dan Priestly specifically mentioned a "Europeanized" version. Some shorter-cab version of the Semi have also been sighted by drones at the factory. If most European trucks are cab-over designs, it is not at all that it is mandated... it is only to maximize the useful length of the trailer vs a maximum over length limit. BUT, that limit might well be increased pretty soon! It also allows for more maneuverability... which may or may not be necessary, depending on the applications. The present version is for example a bit wider (4 cm) than the present maximum legal width in the EU. Yes, the EU is going to modify its rules for trucks dimensions and weight. But it's not done yet, and at least I do not know what they will be. So, how heavy or easy will be the job to design and produce this European version is unknown. As to the side mirrors... they are indeed only there to accommodate antiquated US regulations! EU regulations insist on blind-spot mirrors, or alternative systems to protect pedestrians or cyclists, rather than on traditional rear-view mirrors, as far as I am aware. So, I suppose that a camera-only system could be certified. So, there WILL be a Europeanized version of the Tesla Semi, the question is only how significant will the changes be. And I would guess that they won't need to be very significant... at least at time of market-entry.
I'm glad that I don't have to stop every 180mi for long periods of time. I'd never deliver anything on time. If they could create a truck that could charge from 0-80% in 25 minutes like an electric car I'd try it.
You don't have to wait much longer, next year the new EV trucks will have MCS which means they will charge with 1000 kw so fill up the Iveco will last just 30 min and then you can drive for another 400 - 500 km.
I think they should put motors and batteries in the trailer as well, that would help like a 1000hp for free for any semi and helps going downhill as well for the diesel semi's, then their brakes won't burn as fast. Also, it can have solar panels on it's roof and such.
@@DrTofutybeast If you put a big one in you can even charge the semi while driving. It can become a massive range extender for any semi, both diesel as well as battery. You can also park in more narrow spots, since the semi itself doesn't have to be attached.
IF recuperation can not handle the rate - either arrive there with less charge OR reduce downhill speed. This way it takes more time to get to the bottom of the hill, BUT recuperation will handle that slower speed.
i´m curious if these e-trucks has heat scavenging system in order to reuse the heat losses of the motor (at max power can be 80kW), it can be useful for managing the battery temperature or the heat in the cabin instead of using resistive heater or heat pumps.
Its amazing how efficient E-trucks are. Also the cost saving is important to mentioned. However, I feel it is also super important to compare the e-truck efficiency with a traditional diesel truck. Your Scania consuming 1kWh per km electricity consumption (mentioned in your last video), means 100kWh per 100km. With the energy of 1 liter diesel being 10.722 kWh electricity equivalent in energy terms, that means that your e-truck consumed around 9.33 liter diesel equivalent (but CLEAN!!). I doubt that a comparable diesel truck with the SAME load and road would have consumed only 9.33 liter diesel per 100km? or what do you think?
It's not only cost per mile it's reliability. I work with a company that has six dedicated trucks running between the steel mill and their plant. They get penalized massively if they aren't there for their pick up time slot. Even brand new diesel trucks have problems, they've got warranty issues. The trucking makes them maybe $100 a load. Being able to save on fuel would help, but having a truck that's always going to be there for the delivery slot is golden.
I'm a retired long haul trucker here in USA. i'm 77 now and drove till I was 73. Wish I could do a few miles in one of those electrics. I drove some with two trailers with maximum road weight of 105,500 pounds. But mostly 53 foot trailers and a 3 axle tractor. and 80,000 pounds max weight. I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for translating to English. My last name is Beck but the only thing I can say in German is "where are my car keys" Thanks again.
wo sind meine Autoschlüssel? 🤣
I love the American truck culture, and the straight piped trucks are great to look at and sound fantastic. Some of the cab videos are very loud though, Ive always wondered how drivers coped?! haha It must be lovely driving a silent truck!
Great content, no idea how you appeared on my Home page but really glad. Keep going with your excellent vlogs!
I had the same thought, brilliant video changing our views about electric trucks…I’m now retired and living in the Canary Islands a wonderful life compared to the pressure of international trucking, I did 50 years and honestly it was better back in the 70s and 80s…Todays roads are better as are the trucks but we had a ball in the old days, driving from Ireland I was doing a round trip to Germany every week, easy trip compared to the old days going down into Syria and Jordan but in those days no conflicts …So sad to see what the Russians did to Syria especially Damascus, being 24 I wanted these adventures but in later years I wanted no hassle ..
Sorry meant to thank the electric trucker for his excellent commentary…
Yeah, me too. I was surprised your videos showed up.
Agree
Same here
The lack of noise in urban areas is great.
Rural as well because it's more disruptive...
and for the driver too, who spends long hours driving.
@@DrTofutybeast Well, the engine noise in a city can affect thousands for several minutes, in rural areas it is one house at a time or max a dozen.
15:35 "Because electric trucks usually catch fire twice a day". Love the sarcasm! 😀
I was like um.... Maybe make the sarcasm more obvious.
@@markshellard Yes... he needs to specify that you need TWO fire extinguishers per day! 😂
@@BallantineElectric He tows an extra trailer just of fire extinguishers. Theres a swap facility at the charging station so you can reload every day.
@@BallantineElectric Wrong! You need TWO lakes a day to underwater the Truck.
That why he needs 2 trucks a day with one-way-battery (wich burn down at the end every time). 😂
14:40 "It is only through testing that we can figure if the idea actually works. Theories alone don't make us smarter". Great quote!
60t is very old information, its been 64 for a while in Sweden and now as of very recently its 74 ton loads, in Finland its 76, and Norway I'm not sure, might still be 50 there.
I love these videos, keep it up, very professional and good stuff, I really want to see how well this works, clearly things need to improve on many fronts but it seems to work out pretty good!
I'm waiting for SCS Software to get their Electric trucks fully supported so you can buy them and drive them anywhere, for now its just quick jobs, 200 - 350 km's...
I was supposed to become a real truck driver back in the day, but it did not work out... I'm very excited for these electric trucks, i truely believe this will work out great.
I think in 5 years it will be a nobrainer for any truck to be electric, we are so close! Atleast if the upcoming battery tech is to be believed.
60 tons max in Norway.
Why, what are y'all hauling that you need the extra tonnage. Is it to help keep freight rolling stock off the rails?
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Likely log trucks? Not sure
Roads in northern countries are good enough to handle 70+ ton loads and trucks two trailers long
88 tons max in Finland with special permission.
Hey, I watched that video about the Scania 40R and I was totally blown away! It's so cool to see how electric trucks are making a difference. I can't believe how far the driver went on a single charge. It gives me hope for a cleaner future. You should definitely check it out!
Stay tuned for the winter tests of Tobias - and sign the channel for being informed !
"Theories alone won't make us smarter." This truck driver already is a smart man!
I watched Tesla Børn from Norway for years. This is so interesting to watch… EV truck transition in Europe. This is especially nice because I just came back from 2 1/2 weeks vacation in Deutschland.
Danke!
Trucks are just starting to come onto my feed which has a lot of EVs and renewables.
You are a great addition.
No love or hate. Just experience and facts.
no facts, just lousy emotions.
Great to see that the English channel is ramping up nicely. The content is definitely worth watching.
Thank you for your vlogs, its really opened my eyes to the problems you guys have with charging and infrastructure. i am managing a big change in EU for solar installations and EV charging and i can see you need help with destination charging.
Great video's! Not only we learn about electric truck driving and charging, but also about life on the German autobahn and parking spots.
Another nice thing is that even with an average consumption of 120kWh/100km results in 12 liters of diesel / 100 Km. Thats amazing
Unfortunately battery technology doesn’t allow for high energy density, so while they are efficient it doesn’t translate to practicality. We will have to wait for the commercialization of SSB from china
But electricity is more expensive, takes longer to refuel and makes more pollution.
@@biska131 no,yes,no
@@biska131 Retard alert.
@@ozchalupkova4688 Coal power plants are dirty as fuck. Batteries are toxic as fuck. Post COVID energy is expensive as fuck because we have coal power plants mostly.
I am enjoying your story from Canada.
1:57 average Audi behavior.....🤮😤
They'll be charging to 100% every time, and complain about slow charge times too.
after 90 or 95% SoC, they sholud charge extra for each minute, then ppl will understand that charing do 100% is pointless and wasting time
Trust me you dont want the same to happen in your gas car for adding an extra 5L @@duniek86
You have to be compassionate to people with Audism disorder as their existence is miserable and mental health professionals don't recognise the problem, thus not researching into ways to help these obnoxious people properly integrate into society
So no difference between Audi drivers on petrol/diesel and electric..was to be expected.
You are breaking new ground! Keep up the good work!
You've hit the algorithm. First time viewer and new subscriber.
These aren't really a thing yet in the States, so it's great to see how it's working for you in Europe.
I got to know your channel not long ago, fabulous content.
I have sent many emails trying to be the first in Australia to drive the big triangle between Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney and back to Melbourne in an electric truck. However, with no luck. 🤦🏻♂️
It is great that you are able to do what you do. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
It passed with flying colours. 🙂👍
Randomly posted to my suggested videos but now I'm a subscriber. Good vlog. Keep it up.
Nice journey from one charger to another.
This video is amazing I loved that I am greatful that i was recommended this video. Thank you so much 👍
Nice to see that in english too.
2:20 I am so tired of people like that! 97% and still charging letting other drivers wait. Also making his own trip longer. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Longer and more expensive as well.
Energy is cheaper at home.
There are people who are happy when they can hurt others 😢
The driver probably has free charging with the new vehicle. You're also old and retired so you have nowhere to be. Saving that couple dollars is worth it to them. This is very common to see in the US as well.
Fantastic video! Greetings from the UK 😃.
- Scott
The regenerative braking can be used at maximum power until 80% than the power will drop, you can see it when you charge the vehicle above the 80%. This is theoretically with batteries which capacity is below the motor power (>1C), this is not the case. Coasting is always the best way because regen has losses in motor heat and AC to DC conversione.
I´ve made a paper about regenerative braking at University but only with cars.
Maybe because scania is not 1 gear so the torque has to be optimized in order to regen better and this depends on how much torque the motor can sustain.
i always prefer trains over trucks, but these are still really cool. there will always be roads that will be a lot more difficult to lay track for trains, and electric trucks that can handle steep hills will be a lot cheaper to run until the tunnels can be built.
Trucks will always be needed for so called last mile delivery as well. But I agree, trains are a more efficient way of moving freight
To say it in quake style: Impressive!
Hätte nicht gedacht, dass du so schnell und gut englisch sprichst. Hochachtung!
In Sweden a lot of garbage trucks in the cities are electric and they are so quiet, very nice since they usually drive around at night.
A website for truckers that gives "vetted" info about various charge stations and their "quirks" would probably be useful in Europe. I am STILL surprised that you can charge at chargers designed for cars (and how easily you can drop your trailer!).
I rarely use an App in the UK called ZapMap, not sure if/how widely used across Europe but gives a section where users can leave comments on specific chargers and report faults if the chargers are broken
Like a plugshare for truckers
As a car EV driver I would like the vetted data too. Plugshare is a good idea but too much data is old or incorrect.
Great new type of EV content!
Ich habe eigentlich dich immer auf deutsch verfolgt. Es war richtig interessant dich auf englisch zu hören.
Man dich sehr gut verstehen. Selbst für ein norddeutschen 😂😂😂.
Ich war überrascht wieviele Kommentare hier zu lesen sind.
Es gibt viele die sich dafür interessieren und von deinem Wissen profitieren.
Da wird es bestimmt einige geben die jetzt ein Auge drauf hat und selst mal schaut auf seinen Diese lrouten wo könnte es laden. Da vielleicht der Fuhrparkleiter mit den Gedanken spielt ein
e Lkw zu im die Flotte aufzunehmen.
Mach weiter so ❤
Great video!
I think the pantograph and overhead charging is a brilliant idea.
Nope, actually not. It looks extremely expensive, as I was passing this by 2 days ago twice from Hamburg to Fehmarn.
Love your video
Can’t wait for the first Tesla Semi review in Europe ❤
I think when they finally arrive in Europe they will be behind the market... Tesla was important to get the revolution started. But they have fallen behind in my opinion.
The Tesla Semi is made to fit US regulations and thus they will need to build a new version.
This is impressive: HGV electrification is probably the last place to fully electrify, and it's great you are showing it really does work, especially when working time limits is starting to be real limitation to daily mileage. We're not completely there yet (there are depots that go back to back with drivers etc).
Interesting point about regenerative breaking - I assume a large benefit to E-HGVs and efficiency?
As a retired ship’s captain there is a small translation error in the description of your last load - what you carried were liferafts not lifeboats - lifeboats look like boats and you would only have got one or maybe 2 on the trailer. Looks like you were collecting them from the life raft service centre in Hamburg port.
spoiler alarm: it was the self mistake in German 🤣🤣🤣
the same 🤣
Really interesting, thanks for the translation and uploading.
the overhead lines are one of the solutions i think could really work, one of the few things Siemens has done lately that are a good idea. I live in Arnhem, the only Dutch city with trolley busses. Extending this network has always been a massive pain because of nimbyis. Now the new generation of busses have a relatively small battery that gets used to drive the bus 3 towns over, beyond the range of the overhead lines. once it gets back it has about 40 mins to charge the battery again to make the next lap. The busses don't have to charge quickly at stops, and are about the same price as a normal trolleybus, don't require any new infrastructure, but have doubled the range of the trolley network. Overhead lines are great for HD traction drives.
They did the trials and no they will not proceed, batteries are improving quickly so overhead lines will not be economic except for operations like mining.
Love your solar roof on your Tesla. I have done a 7 countries in 7 days road trip in a Tesla Model S back in 2018 for Cancer Research. I would love to do it again but in a fully electric truck.
Approach them. It's great marketing.
15:35 This tiny fire extinguisher is only enough for you to keep your insurance paperwork safe when this giant truck battery encounters thermal runaway 😂
That's very rare. Interior fires are more common.
@ e-trucks are very rare as well. I’m not an expert in this field but I am well aware that a fire extinguisher this small is close to useless 😂
Its gonna flip fast. Businesses are only interested in the numbers.
Special truck charging stations desperately needed so you don't have to keep unhitching the trailer.
ionity and circle k already build some of them in norway or sweden
9:55 it is not bad to use the mechanical brakes a couple times a day. You want to prevent any rust and dirt build up on the disks, so they work instantly when you actually need them and stay in good condition.
They will get more than enough use when coming to a complete stop
It would be interesting to see the cost of charging and try to compare versus diesel. Also thank you for translating consumption figures to imperial and metric!
It was mentioned in an older Video at the end.
And also in newer Videos he is showing the costs at every charging.
Just wait for them to be translated.
Your videos make for great background noise while working!
Very educational thanks very much
Quality content, respect🎉
Well done!
So basically he spent $117usd in charging (assuming it was all DC fast charging at 10.7 euro/100km) and travelling 1,032km for the whole trip. Vs spending $665usd in diesel. (at $6.28/gal) all converted for Americans to understand. 🎉 Sounds like a win to me.
What is this thing kilometer ?
that is untill you take into consideration lost time of charging instead of driving and the higher cost of the truck, another downside is the smaller payload
@anubaral Regarding the lost time and smaller payload: Tobias is driving in Germany. As a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive at max 4h30m before taking a break. He mostly uses these breaks in order to charge. So, with enough planning, he is barely losing time.
Plus: electric trucks are allowed to carry 2 tons more than diesel trucks, so he could carry the same payloads.
The price is a lot higher right now, that's true. But the operation costs are way lower, so over time, it will he cheaper in total
Are you doing English dubs using a synthetic voice based on your actual voice, or are you also fluent in English? Either way, it sounds great! Really well edited together and I enjoyed the occasional bits of German ;-) Appreciate the English reversioning though. The atmos/background sound re-editing to make the dubbed voice fit in with the footage is also a very subtle nice touch which is appreciated. And very cool to see actual real-world pros and cons of early adoption eTrucking adventures... New subscriber 🙂
Thank you 👍🏻🙂
Great content!
I wish my neighbour owned an electric truck, that silent start at the beginning
Great video! It seems like (some?) manufacturers have some very basic issues they need to fix, like regen should be instant, and variable, and not just completely cut off when there's some potential issue. Regen shouldn't be more difficult to control than friction brakes, if anything not having to deal with mechanics should be an advantage. Surely, using friction and regen in combination when regen isn't enough makes things a bit more complicated, but it's still not rocket science.
On that note, more powerful motors(/generators) than bare minimum required to get from point a to point b means higher regen capacity. Also motors that are powerful enough to not require multiple gears reduce complexity, and the motors themselves also last longer if they don't have to work at or near their design limit a lot. Electric motors are much closer to their very high maximum efficiency over a very wide range of loads and rpms, even compared to moden diesel engines, so I don't think it's a very good decision to have such weak motors that you need multiple gears in electric trucks.
I mean, 400 kW isn't much more than what a lot of passenger cars got. Sure, trucks are more likely to work at high loads for longer periods often than high performance passenger cars are, but then again, the amount of energy required to accelerate and climb remains the same regardless of how fast you do it. So increasing the maximum power significantly wouldn't result in the trucks using that max power as much as the lower powered trucks using their max power, not even close.
Price , weight and efficiency for batteries is still getting better every year, just like solar panels. So larger batteries will be a better option than connecting to a wire above.
Your doggy is so funny ))
Excellent videos, good work! May I ask two questions:
1. If you have to stop more than once per driving day to charge, during your mandatory minimum 45 mn break, like it seems you had to, doesn't it mean that your truck does not have enough range for optimal long-haul transport? The other truck driver you interviewed in your other English-language video said that he was losing 2 hours a day because of the charging. It should not happen! The driver should lose no time at all but the legal rest time to charge, no?
2. I see more and more e-trucks on our roads (I live in Switzerland)... I am surprised that charging sites do not offer "drive-through" charging stations for semis and other towing vehicles! That would come at minimal if any additional costs, as room for parking the trailer must anyway be available! Are those "truck-optimized" charging stations coming?
Hab mich grad voll gefreut weil ich dachte, dass du ein neues Video rausgebracht hast. Dabei wars nur die Übersetzung :(
Naja, hier ein Kommentar für den Algorithmus!
I believe that the recuperation only gets about 30-50% energy back, so coasting is far more efficient. So let’s say you are getting of a highway, it would be more efficient to start coasting well before the exit. Downside would be driving slow on the highway before the exit.
For EVs regen is normally a better efficiency than that... nearer 70% but you are correct that coasting gets nearer to using all of the available energy. This is where "one pedal driving" works best because you have total control from zero regen to maximum regen just by altering the accelerator pedal. If trying to optimise any coasting approaches you know that you've got it wrong if you end up having to use actual braking .... any friction braking represents a total loss of energy where you could have potentially recovered up to 70% if using regen.
once i was a bit overloaded (loading in the field , vegetables) and only got to 15km/h uphill . when i arrived at the factory to unload i learned why lol .
recup braking will never be as good as normal brakes, knowing normal brakes on a semi truck deliver around 3000hp or more .
@@nyftn Regenerative braking is good enough to be used 98% of the time. You get more range, and you don't wear out the brakes.
@@logitech4873 regenerative braking is like the volvo engine brake in terms of power . i fully understand how much it can do . trucks have had engine brake or retarder options for many years now . the difference in brake wear won't be that high when comparing ice vs ev cars .
Great content
The Iveco is very nice.
The algorithm likes your stuff! Kein Spass, falls i mal keine Zeit für längeren deutschen videos hab schau i einfach auf englisch. lg max
14:27 I love the idea of just having a smaller battery and getting the power as you drive. You would have less losses.
The principle is cool, but the costs of installation and maintenance of the overhead lines are massive. With batteries dropping in price, it likely won't be viable.
There are trains tho...
Apparently it works quite well. Let's hope for this getting more common and charging opportunities becoming better.
I also was initially concerned at the prospect of strong regenerative braking on the rear wheels of my EV potentially causing a lock-up. As you found with the truck this hasn't proved to be an issue. In the same way that EV traction control manages rapid acceleration without spinning wheels it also works the other way to avoid slip when using regen. After five winters of driving I can't remember a single instance where regenerative braking caused a lock-up in slippery conditions. (Clearly not all vehicles will necessarily be the same.)
for my car its like this, if it detects any loss of traction while regen braking it will automatically stop the regen brakes and use friction brakes.
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I am surprised that trailers are not equip with battery banks to improve range and braking regen, going further, trailers shoupd have own electric motors and battery banks to enhance trucks efficiently regardless if electric or not. Larger battery array can take more power during regen braking and provide extra boost when needed going uphill.
Great video
Battery's in trailer = more weight.
Air recirculation should always be a physical button - if you round a bend into smoke or a filthy smoke belching diesel pulls away from you at the lights, you need to be able to recirculate the air within 1-2 seconds. No time to jerk around in a menu.
I am wondering how long it will be before we see refrigerated trucks with built-in batteries instead of a dinosaur fuel motor, that hook up and recharge either by themselves - or via the tractor unit.
And solar panels on top of the trailer
@@bjarneh-im1uw Yes, I forgot that.
I would be interested to see the battery range when you are fully loaded in the middle of winter in cold icy conditions
Winter is coming, so we will get that information very soon. 😉
Motor choices is for optimization. Pulling logs with a 25.25m truck and trailer, or in your case truck, link, and trailer (plus midpoint crane for self loading) will bring your total allowed weight to 80tonnes (private roads) or 64t on public roads.
kinda nostalgic for euro truck simulator watching this ngl
Interesting with the Sunday driving rules.
Nice setup, while charger locations are getting there and to time it with mandatory rest stops, for some Hybrid systems like the new Edisons fill that role also.
12:40 Layout seems a bit offset, unless they have longer cables, but that is power wastage.
Why is charging in bays? They are inconvenient brcause you have to reverse out. Not too good for towing eiher. It appears that petrol and diesel arrangements, where you drive through, is better.
♥what you are doing: high curiosity, high value, highly enjoyable in every way.
I'm going to guess that you have a plan for getting your hands on a Tesla Semi when it becomes available in Germany in a commercial context. Meanwhile, Tesla brought the Semi to Germany for display and demonstration purposes at events like the IAA Transportation trade show in Hannover.
Interesting story, video and pleasant voice. Thanks a lot!
Greetings from Russia. 😉
I think the pantogram is a great idea! It's not new. Buses and Trains have used these in the past. For the motorway it will be cheaper than installing an induction unit in the road. Though I think this idea is also good for cars and vans.
In the North of Germany they are already experimenting with roads with electric cables overhead where trucks can ride with pantographs, like trains or trams. This seems like a great scheme because it means that the truck can do the main distance (+ charge the batteries) on the power from the cable and only needs the batteries for the last bit to the destination and back from the destination to the highway...
I agree completely thank you for your knowledge. There was a German company that was going to rent out a battery trailer between the motorway service stops. It was going to start in 2014 but never happened. I guess the batteries are now so good, not enough people would use this system. But it could still be an idea for vans and small trucks
With the Iveco, you'll be able to climb that gradient at 80 km/h with a full 42-ton load, rather than crawling at 45 km/h, without the truck even braking a sweat! Same thing going downhill... its regenerative braking will give it additional safety margin, especially on a full load!
I think that the Scania 40R is both under-powered and has insufficient battery for long-haul transport. Good luck with the Iveco, if you transition on it, as I have understood you will!
I have made a little program, which models the performance and capabilities of the Tesla Semi... and they are simply astounding! Its range, speed (up and down a steep gradient), and towing capacity are ONLY limited by legal driving hours, and official speed limits. You can drive it for a full 9-hour driving day, at full load even in the mountains, without any recharging, or at most a little top-up during the mandatory 45 mn pause. I have yet to find ANY route in Europe where that wouldn't hold true (even if going from sea level to the highest ski resort in Europe!). I can't wait for Tesla to introduce its European version of the Semi!
There will be no european version. Tesla semi will be available in its current form worldwide (confirmed by tesla recently). I would assume the only slight change might be using cameras instead of those massive mirrors in europe, as i have seen quite a lot of trucks running cameras only setup.
@@thavlik1000 Well, at IAA, Dan Priestly specifically mentioned a "Europeanized" version. Some shorter-cab version of the Semi have also been sighted by drones at the factory.
If most European trucks are cab-over designs, it is not at all that it is mandated... it is only to maximize the useful length of the trailer vs a maximum over length limit. BUT, that limit might well be increased pretty soon! It also allows for more maneuverability... which may or may not be necessary, depending on the applications.
The present version is for example a bit wider (4 cm) than the present maximum legal width in the EU.
Yes, the EU is going to modify its rules for trucks dimensions and weight. But it's not done yet, and at least I do not know what they will be.
So, how heavy or easy will be the job to design and produce this European version is unknown.
As to the side mirrors... they are indeed only there to accommodate antiquated US regulations! EU regulations insist on blind-spot mirrors, or alternative systems to protect pedestrians or cyclists, rather than on traditional rear-view mirrors, as far as I am aware. So, I suppose that a camera-only system could be certified.
So, there WILL be a Europeanized version of the Tesla Semi, the question is only how significant will the changes be. And I would guess that they won't need to be very significant... at least at time of market-entry.
Central driving seat point on the Tesla makes it easier to adapt for any local market regulations.
No LH RH model.
@@st-ex8506 I missed that update, thanks for clarifying and interesting insight :)
Imagine we all have to do it like this😂😂😂😂
I'm glad that I don't have to stop every 180mi for long periods of time. I'd never deliver anything on time. If they could create a truck that could charge from 0-80% in 25 minutes like an electric car I'd try it.
You don't have to wait much longer, next year the new EV trucks will have MCS which means they will charge with 1000 kw so fill up the Iveco will last just 30 min and then you can drive for another 400 - 500 km.
Reusable cups will save on coffee too, its just a refill!
I think they should put motors and batteries in the trailer as well, that would help like a 1000hp for free for any semi and helps going downhill as well for the diesel semi's, then their brakes won't burn as fast.
Also, it can have solar panels on it's roof and such.
Maybe a small one just to save brakes and help control.
@@DrTofutybeast If you put a big one in you can even charge the semi while driving.
It can become a massive range extender for any semi, both diesel as well as battery.
You can also park in more narrow spots, since the semi itself doesn't have to be attached.
IF recuperation can not handle the rate - either arrive there with less charge OR reduce downhill speed. This way it takes more time to get to the bottom of the hill, BUT recuperation will handle that slower speed.
das deutsche englisch , einfach herrlich :)
Great 😀
i´m curious if these e-trucks has heat scavenging system in order to reuse the heat losses of the motor (at max power can be 80kW), it can be useful for managing the battery temperature or the heat in the cabin instead of using resistive heater or heat pumps.
Interesting how a rear can slide out during regenerative breaking. I thought it intrinsically worked as ABS
I hope you have a chance to drive the same route with the Tesla Semi, and compare them.
Great!
Gret truck.. but what will happen when the superior Tesla arrives?
Hahahaha!
Can we hear the original audio somewhere?
Its amazing how efficient E-trucks are. Also the cost saving is important to mentioned. However, I feel it is also super important to compare the e-truck efficiency with a traditional diesel truck. Your Scania consuming 1kWh per km electricity consumption (mentioned in your last video), means 100kWh per 100km. With the energy of 1 liter diesel being 10.722 kWh electricity equivalent in energy terms, that means that your e-truck consumed around 9.33 liter diesel equivalent (but CLEAN!!). I doubt that a comparable diesel truck with the SAME load and road would have consumed only 9.33 liter diesel per 100km? or what do you think?
Since the efficiency of the internal combustion engine is ~30%, 1 liter of diesel can provide ~3kW of energy for movement.
It's not only cost per mile it's reliability. I work with a company that has six dedicated trucks running between the steel mill and their plant. They get penalized massively if they aren't there for their pick up time slot. Even brand new diesel trucks have problems, they've got warranty issues. The trucking makes them maybe $100 a load. Being able to save on fuel would help, but having a truck that's always going to be there for the delivery slot is golden.
CLEAN 😂😂😂
How much per kWh does ionity charge in Europe?
To much....
there are no train tacks between those two cities? :)
Fascinating video. One request: omit reporting miles. We Americans should get used to km.
Funny trucks uphill, if it can't go it's overloaded...
I'd love to see you drive a Tesla Semi and provide feedback.