I'm pretty sure Orion sacrificed himself not for the sake of Sentinel, but to stop his best friend from being consumed by rage and crossed the line. Your point still stands though, it's still a selfless decision.
imma keep it a been do you think the reason that these movies dont do well is because people dont actually like the animated and g1 stuff like im sorry i grew up on the bay films they where shit but there absolutely is without a question something about the realistic models for those transformers that connected them to our world better because thats how i feel, like i loved tf ONE but i really really loved the bay designs
@@j7powndandtrolled Bay's design fits where the spectacles of marvel in design and technology in cinema on and behind the stage of 2007-2015, the most well-known era of Transformers in general. Yes, the entire point of the models were to make them more realistic, grounded to reality, and more "connected" to the world of human, but that's been the plotpoint for a long time. The thing about G1 and TF One is that it doesn't have anything to do with us human in the first place - Yes, G1 does take place on Earth, but it wasn't human affecting Transformers' story to a great scale like Bay did with his movies. These movies revolves around Transformers doing their things and humans are, for now, out of reach. An authentic TF story. No, the marketing still failed the movie horribly.
9:00 “A bot who only uses violence as a last resort, not just when it is justified.” This perfectly describes the difference between Optimus and Megatron in TFO
Optimus Prime from Transformers One is literally called a "Gentle Giant" and that is why he is called "Optimus Prime" because it fits him for being optimistic.
I call him Psychomus Prime, but yeah, the Decepticons in the movies deserve all of his rage... except at the end of DoTM because I think accepting Megatron's offer would've been the better move
Agree Optimus gave Sentinal many chance to change in the dark of the moon. And he's fighting for his new home planet. And Megatron in the end... was just being a coward I mean the way he shot Sentinal and taunt at Prime and said "WHO YOU BE WITHOUT ME, PRIME!?" like he's saying like I'm important to your life. That's a little cowardly and cocky.
The inspirational speech Orion Pax gives to the cogless Autobots was epic. It brought a tear to my eye. It was so good to FINALLY see what Optimus Prime should be in a Transformers movie.
I do think you might be slightly too harsh on Bayverse Optimus. Remember in the first film, he basically was a pacifist. He didn't actively try to kill, despite the fact he easily could have. He only ever tried to protect those and fought when there was little to no other choice. Every other Autobot was willing to go straight into battle, but Optimus himself through the first movie always seemed reluctant to. And when the battle against Megatron seemed hopeless, He begged the Humans to destroy the McGuffin by basically sacrificing Optimus himself. It wasn't Optimus that tried to kill Megatron, but Sam. In the Second movie, Prime fights more often, but always initially with the goal of protecting others. Up to the point it actively gets him killed. Its only After Optimus Prime is killed, and then brought back that he actively tries to kill anyone. Which...I think would be a very fair point for anyone that has been fighting the same dude for basically forever might realize there is no hope for them. When finally given the opportunity Megatron absolutely went for the kill on Optimus. The Fallen was trying to destroy Earth. And in Time he found out that the Humans were killing and desecrating his friends. Realized he was going to be betrayed by Sentinel and have him and all his people killed. Bayverse Optimus did start off as the Optimus we knew. The world was just extremely cruel to him and didn't leave nearly as much room to be so Optimistic.
Agree, he's not a psychopath. He's like the G1 but faces real-life situations. That's why I love Bayverse Optimus Prime is a hero who doesn't have many choices and makes mistakes. I do want to watch G1 but people like Geewunners frustrated me. But you got to admit he has the best action solo scenes since any Transformers Franchise. That's what I hear about paper melon.
4:33 The Transformers One version isn't even Optimus for most of the movie. He is Orion Pax. I think some just didn't like the idea of seeing Orion before he was Optimus, but this was a beautiful and heart stirring origin for Optimus and Megatron.
a year ago before this movie was announced i was thinking "what if they made a trilogy about the war of cybertron and then move onto earth, meh to good to be true "
@@BraveBladeProductions trashformers one flopped 4 a reason its the worst optimus prime ever. G1 optimus prime is the best one forever the best movie was 1986 one and live action ones are the best too.
The live action Optimus Prime is the one who’s been beaten down and betrayed so many times he doesn’t care about “being the better person” anymore he knows that the only way this ends is with violence, and why draw it out when he can just end it?
@ Thank You I mean when you think about it, he doesn’t become as violent until after 1: multiple of his friends die 2: HE dies and gets revived 3: He’s betrayed by Sentinel which results in EVEN MORE of his friends dying 4: humanity betrays him and kills YET MORE of his friends AND MELTS THEM DOWN so they can make their own transformers, but that just brings back his worst enemy AGAIN. With all of that, even the most righteous man would become vengeful. All he’s ever done was in the goal of peace for all sentient creatures, and all it got him was a dead world and dead friends.
But this isn’t Optimus, that’s just an angry and bitter asshole, like, everything up until age of extinction is fine, but aoe just butchered his character
@@NikkiBestGirlQuit bitching like anyone will act all fatherly like after witnessing many acts of war betrayal and trauma like I know it's fiction but sometimes realistic depth can make sense
TBH I feel like TFP optimums is the balance between good leadership and is also not afraid to come to terms with the fact that violence is necessary in some situations.
it boggles my mind that people classify Orion as selfish yet just about everything he does is for the benefit of everyone else. the only time he does something "selfish" is enter himself and D-16 into the Iacon 5000 without his consent. And even that got D an audience with Sentinel Prime, which was a big deal for him. Everything else though, he does to make life better for everyone else
Not all hope is lost yet. Hasbro says they are looking forward to working with the director on future projects, the blu-ray sold out on Amazon, and Paramount says the streaming numbers are great.
This *very* quickly became my favorite version of Optimus Prime shortly after seeing Transformers One. I see a lot of people in this comment section saying TFP Prime is better, and while I definitely agree he's one of the best Optimus Primes, I find this version better in nearly every way. I, personally, like to see Optimus as a believable and relatable character, not as this amazing chosen one that TFP *loves* to remind you he is. I love Orion Pax's journey, and when he finally does become Optimus Prime, he's pretty damn perfect. He has all the qualities we're used to with Prime, he isn't needlessly brutal like in most recent movies, but what *I* really liked to see was the light-hearted side of the character. I love how even at the end of the movie, he still engages in playful banter with Elita and B. This film and *especially* its portrayal of Optimus was such a breath of fresh air, and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since I first saw it a few days after release.
your looking at the same character and saying nothing at all like by the end their the very same character like I dont get this logic your saying Optimus is better when hes not Optimus
Yea like i love tfp optimus being a stone cold leader but the matrix making him an entirely different person on top of being a reincarnation of one of their gods? Thats way too holy for me, tfone optimus is easily my favourite version. The matrix in tfone gave him the moniker of “Prime” but at his spark, he was always Optimus and that was what made him truly worthy to be leader of the autobots. I also loved how tfone optimus shows that anyone can be great and change the world in significant ways without being a reincarnation/descendant of an ancient prime
9:07 imo, Orion doesn’t sacrifice his life to save Sentinel, per se, but rather to save D-16 from going down his vindictive dark path. He tried to save both a friend and an enemy in the same moment. Tragic but necessary for the greater good.
What wasn't justified for Orion, is believing in d-16, when he shouldn't have. He didn't just try to save Sentinel - he wanted to sacrifice himself for everyone, including d-16
This version and Skybound's is pretty much a renascence for Optimus as a character in my opinion. It's never been a bout whether or not Optimus Prime fights, he IS a soldier, but *WHY* he fights and when. I think this is the real flaw of live action Optimus, Bay's in particular wants to fight for the sake of it, for domination, Rise of The Beasts because revenge.
Bayverse Optimus does not fight for the sake of it. Also, comparing any Prime to Skybound Optimus is a little unfair, considering he is the best version that makes Prime Optimus look bad.
I initially didn't like Optimus trying to save Sentinel being his great, defining act of heroism, because I don't believe in the idea that "good guys don't kill bad guys once they're defeated". Megatron is correct to the extent that sometimes, justice requires the death of a perpetrator. And I can tell that that's what the writers were going for because Alpha Trion says "your sacrifice FOR THE GREATER GOOD" is what Primus respects. But leaving aside that foolishness, on reflection, I actually do think that this was the right thing for Optimus to do. Because Megatron wasn't trying to achieve justice, per se. There was no trial, no due process, none of the necessary formality to take the killing out of the personal realm and make it just. It was just brutish, gang-style execution born of Megatron's personal anger and inner darkness. It was mob justice, which is no justice at all. Also it was almost certainly a direct repudiation of Optimus doing the same thing to Sentinel in DotM.
I always saw Bayverse Optimus as a realistic portrayal of his character. Optimus started out a traditional Optimus in 2007, but after all the stuff he goes through, he loses the good he once had. He clings to the remnants of his former ideals, but deep down, he knows there is nothing left of his people, his home, or of his character to salvage.
I saw it more so as Orion sacrificing himself to perhaps change D's mind. He saw how increasingly violent and vengeful D-16 was getting, and he knew killing Sentinel would not be the end of it. He sacrificed himself in hopes that D would step back, rethink his decisions, and get some sense knocked into him. What he did not expect was for D to ditch his friend over his new ideals.
D-16 and Orion Pax were both friends who needed each other. Megatron and Optimus Prime are now enemies and still need each other. Without Optimus, the Decepticon's have no enemy to rally against, and without Megatron Optimus isn't able to grow as a leader and forced to make difficult decisions.
In defence of bayverse Optimus. The universe he is in is brutal, so he had to adapt to it. At the start, he was “somewhat” calm and reasonable robot. And when it came down to it, he was willing to kill him self to destroy the all-spark to protect humanity in particular despite seeing how violent they are, knowing that they are just like them. And he had no intention of killing Megatron, his only goal was to get the cube away from him to destroy it. His psychotic behaviour only started after he died in the forest, when he had his taste of death. All of that could may have well traumatised him especially considering in his final moment, he only saw Sam all alone, completely vulnerable, and at the hands of the decepticons. Dying knowing you had failed is probably one of the worst feeling you could have. And he also just witnessed the dude who had been the main source of his problems for millions of years, who caused him nothing but suffering, just come back from the dead, his violence in that forest fight is definitely understandable. That forest fight is probably what started the change Optimus prime, from being the lovable commander to this violent psychopath. Later down the line, his mentor, and close friend, sentinel prime, betrayed him and killed iron hide. Everything he learnt, down to his morals and beliefs was taught by sentinel prime, and he had betrayed him. Why keep morals taught by someone who was so willing to break them. And especially by someone he looked up too. The betrayal by the humans would further worsen Optimus prime. As stated before, in the first movie, Optimus was still willing to protect the humans despite knowing very well that they were going to kill bumblebee after they captured him. Yet, in age of extinction, he was done protecting them and was even willing to kill them. After seeing how quickly they turned on him and his friends, and seeing how they killed said friends by the hundred. It would shatter his view on humanity. Optimus wasn’t a psychopath from the start, he just learnt to adapt to a universe that was psychopathic.
My big issue with the comparison between Bay Optimus and One Optimus is that the cotexts of their universes and their place in them is so different. Bay Optimus has been in this fight for thousands of years, witnessed essentially an apocalypse on their homeworld, and is fighting borderline monsters that want nothing more than to kill or enslave, plus this is, again, thousands of years into everything. One Optimus has only just become Optimus, their homeworld isn't destroyed yet and the war hasn't even properly started yet. Hell, both factions are barely set up by the time of the post credits. I totally get people preferring One Optimus but Bay Prime's characterization has always made sense within the context of the Bay universe, no he is not a "psychopath" or "war criminal", and the comparison between these two versions just doesn't feel all that genuine. The context of everything is too different and it feels like a way to hate on Bay Prime more than anything. That is more so in regards to the topic in general though, as I do think that your video is extremely well done! I may not agree with everything here, but it was well put together and a good watch!
@@vishnugopalawasthi5888 Oh wow, so cool, so edgy! Thank you for sharing such a useless opinion. Dislike the Bayverse all you want, doesn't change anything that I said lmao
Transformers prime Optimus and most characters in the show are the best of any transformers media. Optimus and Megatron in tfp won’t be beaten in my book
In my opinion, one of the main things that connects all of the best Optimus' together is the idea of necessity. They're necessary, regardless of if they want to be or they think they are. Because they're the only ones who display the spark worthy of a prime, they're thrust into the role, serving as the glue that holds everyone together. Thats why i love both TFP and the Cybertron games depiction of Optimus, and while i also love TFONE's approach to it as well. In all three continuities, Primus gave Optimus the matrix because there was no other option and Optimus(or rather Orion) was the only one left that could potentially save the planet and overcome evil. I think the theme of "unexpected leaders out of necessity" follows the series' themes since the beginning, and I think thats also the theme of Hot Rod in the first movie. The best leaders to light our darkest hour isn't always the most prepared or strongest, but one who has a spark and will pure and gentle enough to prevail evil. Optimus was the one transformer at the time that had the spark and will of a prime, even if he wasn't quite ready yet. And i think Transformers ONE does that theme AMAZINGLY well. (This is also one of the most underated themes in the franchise imo!)
"Pause this video and watch the movie" BET. And holy shit was that film PEAK. Hard to believe it suffered at the box office. I'd say one of the upsides was the pacing, especially compared to modern 2.5+hr films. Not that I wouldn't have minded perhaps another 15-20 minutes of actual screentime to get some better character representation for Bee and Alita, or perhaps a different final outlook for the original Primes, but still. Great pacing.
I actually agree. For the last couple of Tf media I felt like the writers actively disliked Optimus Prime. Like in Erathsprk, where Megatron has more empathy than Prime, and has to go on about why the war was necesarry, because Earthsaprk Optimus did not see the problems the lower classes had to endure. The ROTB movie's Optimus was outright OC. He was petulant, paranoid of humanity without any reason, lacked the compassion, and optimism OPTIMUS is known for. HE is supposed to be strong enough to be gentle. He was not, and I feel like the writers wanted their shitty characters to shine, so they had to push Optimus down. Not to mention the Netflix series Optimus who is the worst Optimus Prime ever. He is indecisive, weak, and behaves like an edgy teenager. TF One actually showed such respect towards Optius's chaaracter. Yea, he started out very immature, but he still had evry quality which made Optimus recognizable. (even at the start of the film he was loyal, brave, was taking responsability for his mistakes, was trying to defend people around him, he was filled with hope, optimism etc)
Chris Hemsworth was surprisingly excellent as Optimus Prime, and it really shocked me how much range he has as an actor/voice actor, as he sounded like a young Peter Cullen. I especially love his characterisation as it made more sense to make him this more rambunctious, hot-headed guy who's so ambitious to prove himself and make things better, albeit at the expense of getting himself and others like D-16 into trouble. I liked how they chose to have him mature and grow up to understand his responsibilities and how his actions have consequences, juxtaposed with D-16's downfall. Honestly, I just loved that they chose to make Orion the extroverted, reckless go-getter and make D-16 the introverted, simple, hard worker who believed in the system, but both still cared for each other as friends. That scene where Orion inspires the miners to fight back against Sentinel was so empowering because it really shows what kind of person Orion is I love the detail of Orion kneeling down at the miners' level because, unlike Sentinel, he was one of them and saw all of them as friends and family and inspiring all of them like a good father figure, which is everything Optimus Prime should be, a noble, hopeful, brave leader who's never afraid to be gentle or compassionate to others.
I would’ve loved if D6‘s voice in the post credit scene when he says decepticons rise up to Corey Burton’s voice from transformers animated it would’ve just been perfect and along with your Peter cullen idea, we would’ve gotten the best voice actors because those two versions are the best Optimus and Megatron
This is why they don't make dredd 2 you can't just expect them to make a sequel after first movie flopped because fans like you didn't watch it and now you demand a sequel
I think Orion couldve been handled abit better. He really seems selfish early on. The humble and inspiring Orion Pax I know, wouldve not endangered the other miners like him. He wouldve said, no we shouldn't get them involved, keeping innocents safe is important. And instead, couldve been recruiting bots from the iacon 5000, even him punching darkwing, couldve been handled with him, telling darkwing the truth about sentinal, and we couldve seen darkwing react to it. Orion knows the way things work is currupted, making darkwing as much as a victim as the rest of them. A victim of sentinals lies. I also wish that Orion was less skilled in combat before the matrix is earned. That is a major part of him, is that he was never such skilled.
There are good and bad ways to show it. Transformers Prime had maybe the best interpretation of Optimus Prime ever, he was kind, selfless, optimistic, he always gave the Decepticons a chance to be better (the last thing has a big payoff at the end of Predacons Rising) and the show made sure you knew this, but there were a few moments where Optimus lost his cool and it elevated those scenes because you knew that this guy just never loses his cool. Also Predacons Rising gave Optimus perhaps the best sendoff.
the live action movies are the down to earth events of what happens when a character is bogged down by centuries of war before literally dying and seeing someone important being left alone with Megatron and then having to deal with humanity betrayal, his mentor betraying then killing his friends and more. His character arc was going from a peace preacher to a absolute protector no matter the cost hes the version who permanently internalized the raff moment from prime and never let it go
Orion did not die to save Sentinel, but to spare his life so he can face justice, died for Cybertron not to have hate and violence as foundation for a new era, and choose to die rather than seeing his brother turn into Sentinel. Even after all of this, he spares Megs life, giving him and the high guard freedom and a chance to thrive for themselves in an Energon rich Cybertron. Sentinel, Airachnid, and everyone corrupt in Cybertron did not have red eyes. Megs and the cons are not evil, just radicalized and driven by resentment. The sequels must not make OP do stupid shit just for the sake of the plotline that Cybertron is dying, this film has the foundation for a Megatron/cons redemption arc. Instead of Megatron having his authoritarian terror validated by Optimus messing up big time for the greater good, have the struggle to rid Cybertron of the dystopia and corruption Sentinel played king over be why bots join the cons, and fall for the cons deception(in the current state of affairs, Megs has nothing to go against Prime but lies). After the Quintessons are taken care of, or while they are about to be defeated have some Unicron level threat force Autobots and Decepticreeps unite to survive. Have Megs stop being a hater and notice OP is a real leader and have them work together to unify Cybertron, instead of the nonsense Earthspak gave us with the whole G.H.O.S.T. BS.
@phantomhd7889 he wasnt saving sentinel at all. He didn't want d-16 to become a monster like him. Killing whoever he wanted just cuz they disagree with him. If it came down to it I believe that Optimus would have lead Cybertron and iacon to make a decision together. And Optimus would have seen through his execution for his crimes for he's to dangerous to live.
@phantomhd7889 talking about sentinel btw, prime would have let the people decide and his jurisdiction be the only things to lead to his death. As sentinel is legit to dangerous to live
@SHARK-KING yes he was saving Sentinel which is stupid. Not letting D 16 to kill him is exactly the same as saving the one who is going to be killed. And D-16 had every right to kill Sentinel, not by fusion cannon, but by torture as he said earlier. Yet because of Orion's stupidity he was killed in the process
@@phantomhd7889 no one has the right to take another life. Everyone has the option to. It defines who we are when we are tasked with making a decision as such. Justice is not bound to one man.
Nobody and I mean nobody has mentioned the call back to 1986 Transformers The Movie. When Orion Pacs jumps in the air shooting mirrors, the way Optimus jumped in the air shooting when he soloed the Deceptions in 86. For me Transformers One and G1 are the same Optimus Prime
Transformers One is my favorite movie ever! I love this version of Optimus Prime. It is tied with Cyberverse Optimus Prime for second place though. TF Prime Optimus Prime is still my favorite version of the character
The bayverse prime in the first film wasn't all so violent and I'm surprised that people don't mention that, yes starting from rotf he got more violent but that's only cuz he became more broken and the whole message was you're either killed or be killed, yes it sounds harsh but that's unfortunately true sometimes in reality, if you want to survive, you have to choose to either kill or be killed even if we don't want to resort to either of those options. Literally in rotf optimus was getting beaten 3v1, in dark of the moon his mentor betrayed him, in aoe humans turned against him. This is true in reality where even the truest principles we're viewed to stay keen to, everyone has a limit until they lose themselves. I don't hate the other transformer films such as bumblebee, rotb, and tf one. But I do feel that people hate bay WAY too much, yes there are flaws in the movie such as not focusing on the robots themselves and the human protagonist getting too much screen time. But the other aspects such as the CGI, transformation, and a realistic take on the robots themselves I don't see many people appreciate. Wether you hate the bayverse designs or not, you can't lie that the transformation and CGI was well done. Plus the audience transformers appeals to most are people who are in their late teens and adults, I don't know any kids to this day who likes transformers, plus it's not like the audience can't handle violence. The only reason why other directors and producers have made their own take on transformers is to mainly satisfy the G1 transformer fans when clearly transformers shows and cartoons are dead and should stay dead for the better since it's basically lost media.
Great video! While I do have a lot of nostalgia of Bayverse Prime and he does have a lot of positive moments, I am not a fan of his bloodthirsty characterization. I'm fine with ROTB Optimus because at least he has a sympathetic reason to be violent especially when Scourge killed Bumblebee, who is one of his best friends (who is also like a son to him). But that's just my opinion. TF One Optimus is definitely one of my favorite depictions of the great and gentle Autobot leader.
I haven't seen all tf shows but for me rn One!Optimus is what optimus should be. Hes so, so similar to his g1 counterpart. Like elita says his blind optimism and will is what make him strong. Hes not a bloodthirsty killer amd doesnt want revenge. He wamts justice and freedom. THIS. Is my optimus prime, finally we have him back on the big screen ! Also small detail i noticed is when OP cut megatron gun in half, at the last second he goes up so his axe would not touch megatrons head and kill him right there. He could have but did not rip his face off like Bayverse (Note: So far ive only seen all bayverse, prime, earthspark and half of g1)
TF1 is a good cartoon, but very much overrated, raised to a cult of perfection with its characters by the franchise community itself, and this happens every time something partly "new" appears. In this franchise, so many different and unique things have been presented over the years of its existence, with weak, strong, and most importantly UNIQUE sides, but at the same time, mentioning their iterations is reduced only to mentioning that one was an icon of childhood, the second was a maniac, the third was kind, when in fact, behind these images there is much more, which requires a more thorough analysis, or at least an understanding of the depth of the issue. Optimus Prime is not the image, at the iteration of which you can look and identify one by saying that this option is the best, because Optimus in the same Armada did not need to be an ideal good guy, did not need to carry kindness in himself, on the contrary, he was a character filled with hatred, but at the same time fighting with his feelings for the sake of the well-being of those around him... This is only one example of many, but I think I understood that you should not elevate fleeting thoughts to the absolute, and that this topic is more than at first glance)
It's funny, despite the absolute mess that Optimus becomes in the Bay movies, I feel like each movie has at least ONE moment that feels like SOMEONE on the writing team had a genuine understanding of what made Optimus who he was. Best example for me is the first Transformers, when the Autobots talk outside the Hoover Dam, and it's one of my favourite scenes in ANY Transformers movie. Ironhide: "Why are we fighting to protect the humans? They're a primitive, violent race." Optimus: "Were we so different? They're a young species, they have much to learn. But I've seen goodness in them. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings." This understanding that any species is capable of being violent, cruel, and savage, but that doesn't make them any less deserving of life, is something that we sadly lose as the series goes on. And it'd be one thing if this were treated as an intentional plot point, but it really isn't. Transformers 4 is the only one that even tries to do that, and much like everything in that movie, it's an interesting concept done absolutely terribly. Heck, even Transformers 2 has a great line that I feel isn't appreciated enough, when it comes to why Optimus fights: Megatron: "Is the future of our race not worth a single human life?" Optimus: "You'll never stop at ONE."
This Might be the Best Optimus Prime Version we have in a Long While, sure Peter Collin’s is Fantastic but Chris did a Fantastic Job with the Role as a Young Orion Pax, he Rebels on Protocol Yes however unlike D-16 who even in the Start of the Film he only believes in Himself and even more so when he finds out the Truth, Pax was breaking the Rules for a Better Future for Cybertron and it’s People embracing their Potential, even though he’s different from his other incarnations he’s extremely Accurate as Pax always searches for Knowledge like how other Orion Pax Versions was a Liberian and shows how Intelligent and Clever he is like how he has Quick Thinking in Escape from Danger or Fighting Against It, who he Enters and solved Solutions in that Race, how he Save Jazz and Bee, and how he took the Idea to Expose Sentinel when Airachnid said “I Can See Everything” giving him the Advantage, hell Chris took Notes from Peter Himself to Understand the Tone and Character Better as Peter said he’s going to voice Prime in Live Action Movies but he’s giving his Blessings to Someone Else in Animated Projects and I’m ok with that.
I wanted to see the reasons why you think this is the best version of Optimus Prime, and with everything you said in the video comparing only the movie versions of this character I agree with you. You mentioned Transformers Prime at one point, and that let me know that you at least know about that show or you have watched it all, in my opinion Transformers Prime has the best version of Optimus Prime, and i can believe you heard that from others in the comments, I also read some comments and saw a lot of arguing where people talked bad about the show, that it was only made for kids, that Optimus is too boring, that he only has "speeches" and that he is not a person, and so on, which tells me a few things, that some people don't have the patience to watch the show because they have a tiktok brain now, that they will not pay attention and ignore all aspects of a character, that some people don't like the show or haven't seen it but don't like it because a lot of people praise it too much, or that they have another show they like more because of nostalgia. I'm an adult and I understand that nothing is perfect in life, and that the Transformers Prime show has its flaws, where the animation had problems at the beginning of the show, where there was too little time and money for the complete vision of this world that the creators wanted and were making, and to some complaints that people have on Optimus's character with him sometimes being too perfect, or too pure or other traits that would make him boring in someone's eyes, and a lot of people don't like the "leader" type of character if that character has little or no flaws at all, because they don't have that sauce, those flaws that would make them more of a person, but they are just righteous to the end, people like when characters go through some arc of growth, where they have a lot of flaws, and then in the course of the story they change and become better, while Optimus Prime in Transformers Prime is already a complete leader, and the fan didn't see the journey that this Optimus went through to become such a leader, and that's why some people find his character boring, but he is not boring to me. A lot of Optimus's imperfections and his life before he became a Prime is presented in the books that describe life before war on Cybertron and the war on Cybertron in Transformers Prime universe, and this movie is one version of Transformers universe before the war on Cybertron and a version of these characters that a lot of people wanted to see, and I prayed that one day the Transformers Prime universe will be adapted completely (talking about those books), but it is now impossible because of this movie building its version of a new Transformers universe. The Transformers Prime show, considering all the flaws it has, is still in my opinion the best version of the Transformers universe we've ever gotten, including the characterization of Optimus Prime, where he is "strong enough to be gentle", in many ways a perfect leader in the eyes of others (sometimes in my eyes too), and very determined and a responsible person, a leader who never speaks highly of himself because he knows he's not perfect or doesn't brag about his victories or successes, because he doesn't see himself as anything more or bigger than his responsibilities and duties. Thanks to anyone who reads all of this, I always get a little extra when I write about something I'm passionate about.
The marketing for this movie is what killed it. It was the same for treasure planet and megamind. If they didn't release that stupid first trailer that literally showed Orion pax flipping off someone then families would have gone to see it. Honestly when I saw the trailer I thought it was going to be awful. Paramount wanted this to fail so they can keep making bay like transformers. I guarantee you that they are going to make a bay like movie for the next transformers movie. 😭
im not really a huge transformer consumer til now, tfo was my gateway to watching so much transformers stuff. I always saw the optimus of this movie to be Orion Pax: naive, dumb, but always wanting to know more of the truth. Becoming more heroic that polarizes megatron. his voice didnt have that crisp deepness i was slightly hoping for when he becomes optimus. i expected him to be smarter since hes the leader of the autobots. not to say i know what the real optimus is. I like other OP just bc the voice was giga deep, but i still love this ver of op
its cool that the matrix allows energon to flow, I like to think the planet can only be at balance when the forces of good and evil are present to clash with each other relating to the term "till all are one". The matrix was present when both the forces of good and evil on cybertron were balanced, once the primes fell, there was only dark forces governing the planet, and once a new leader rose and a new villain was born, energon could flow - or something i don't know?
Bayverse prime is honestly funny yes he's blood thirsty but he also wants to end a war and he does what's necessary he won the war just to get slammed into another one i would be bloodthirsty as well
I say TFP has the best Optimus, he’s not a killer at heart, he’s not a warmonger, but he still fights and when able he trys to convert decipicons to the Autobots, but he’s also not dead serious, he’s kind and caring especially to the human kids and his bond with Jack reminds me of a kinda like a father, I mean he did trust Jack with essentially his entire existence so he trust others even those who aren’t transformers, but when it comes to fighting and it’s an absolute must he will fight, he will kill, but he won’t rip them to shreds and he will sacrifice everything for others….. even his own planet.
TF one Prime is still the optimistic Optimus. The Others are alread Prime in his Prime, he has been through many battles and became that grumpy old man
Why it didn't do better is clearly the fault of the producers. It was barely advertised, and when it was it looked like a stupid teen movie they were trying to make 'cool and hip' for the teens. It looked terrible! I don't think they could have made a worst trailer for it! I almost didn't watch it. But the youtubers I watched gushed 'if you're a fan of Transformers, then you HAVE to see this movie'! So, I gave it a try. I was shocked how good it was! Glad I listened and checked it out.
I fully agree with your interpretation of Optimus Prime's Character in this movie being an optimists that sometimes blindy does things for the greater good and although they might not good smoothly, its always with good intentions at heart. The interesting parallel I see to this and one that I don't think enough people realize when watching this movie. Is how Megatron sees the actions done by his friend as selfish and stupid, ignoring the good that he's done. When the mine they are in collapses and Jazz gets stuck, he goes back to save him. This results in Elita getting fired, but this was done only to save someone else's life. Later he tricks D into joining in the race and even though they don't win, he doesn't do this just to embarrass them and get them into trouble. Hes doing it so that the miners can have even a small sliver of hope that they are worth something more. This all leads to the scene in the cave where they all discover the truth about their leadership and how their whole lives have been a lie. Notice how D's first reaction is to blame his best friend. And yes while his anger is understandable, calling Orion selfish is completely wrong. When D gains his cog and they battle, his first instinct is to lead them, taking the evidence for himself. Then, when they meet the hi- guard rebels, instead of trying to reason with them and gain their help. He immediately resorts to antagonizing the leader, and fighting him to gain more power. This isn't justified anger, this is rage and selfishness of power. The nail in the coffin is when he finally gets megatronus cog, there's no hesitation. He grabs it for himself, you can see the evil grin as he puts it in. Hes proud of whats hes done, it turns out all along. That he was truly the selfish one that only wanted power, not justice.
@@BraveBladeProductions Yes this is what alot of people who watch it don't get. They just think Megatron justified in every sense, which he's really not if you think about it.
Not saying TFOne Optimus isnt great, but that one is still on the start of his journey, while every other one wd have seen is already jaded and tired of a huge conflict, so kind of an unfair advantage.
"I'm gonna turn into a truck now" is the most inspirational quote ever.
Real.
I cried that after saying that, he finally was able to turn into a truck now. Truly a piece of all time.
And he drove into the 🌇
I'm pretty sure Orion sacrificed himself not for the sake of Sentinel, but to stop his best friend from being consumed by rage and crossed the line. Your point still stands though, it's still a selfless decision.
He's doing it BOTH for Cybertron AND D-16.
He sacrifices himself not for Sentinel, but in the hope that Cybertron won’t be reborn out of violence.
Very true, and for a brief moment there was pain and a touch of remorse in D's eyes. Until he became Megatron.
imma keep it a been do you think the reason that these movies dont do well is because people dont actually like the animated and g1 stuff like im sorry i grew up on the bay films they where shit but there absolutely is without a question something about the realistic models for those transformers that connected them to our world better because thats how i feel, like i loved tf ONE but i really really loved the bay designs
@@j7powndandtrolled Bay's design fits where the spectacles of marvel in design and technology in cinema on and behind the stage of 2007-2015, the most well-known era of Transformers in general. Yes, the entire point of the models were to make them more realistic, grounded to reality, and more "connected" to the world of human, but that's been the plotpoint for a long time.
The thing about G1 and TF One is that it doesn't have anything to do with us human in the first place - Yes, G1 does take place on Earth, but it wasn't human affecting Transformers' story to a great scale like Bay did with his movies. These movies revolves around Transformers doing their things and humans are, for now, out of reach. An authentic TF story.
No, the marketing still failed the movie horribly.
9:00 “A bot who only uses violence as a last resort, not just when it is justified.” This perfectly describes the difference between Optimus and Megatron in TFO
Exactly.
Optimus Prime from Transformers One is literally called a "Gentle Giant" and that is why he is called "Optimus Prime" because it fits him for being optimistic.
Transformers Prime is and always will be peak media
I agree.
The prime Version was an example of a great Optimus and had Cullen's legendary voice.
Well in the film they took a lot of inspiration even hired the music composer for Prime and used bumblebees death music as the theme for the primes.
Tfp imo is not perfect I feel like sometimes the show is glazed too much
It doesn't have to be perfect to be great
I give Bayverse Prime some slack for his ruthlessness because the Decepticons in the Bayverse are down right terrifying.
Fair.
I call him Psychomus Prime, but yeah, the Decepticons in the movies deserve all of his rage... except at the end of DoTM because I think accepting Megatron's offer would've been the better move
Agree Optimus gave Sentinal many chance to change in the dark of the moon. And he's fighting for his new home planet. And Megatron in the end... was just being a coward I mean the way he shot Sentinal and taunt at Prime and said "WHO YOU BE WITHOUT ME, PRIME!?" like he's saying like I'm important to your life. That's a little cowardly and cocky.
The inspirational speech Orion Pax gives to the cogless Autobots was epic. It brought a tear to my eye. It was so good to FINALLY see what Optimus Prime should be in a Transformers movie.
Yep.
People say bay prime is a psychopath, however I see him as a broken man who needs therapy
I do think you might be slightly too harsh on Bayverse Optimus. Remember in the first film, he basically was a pacifist. He didn't actively try to kill, despite the fact he easily could have. He only ever tried to protect those and fought when there was little to no other choice. Every other Autobot was willing to go straight into battle, but Optimus himself through the first movie always seemed reluctant to. And when the battle against Megatron seemed hopeless, He begged the Humans to destroy the McGuffin by basically sacrificing Optimus himself. It wasn't Optimus that tried to kill Megatron, but Sam.
In the Second movie, Prime fights more often, but always initially with the goal of protecting others. Up to the point it actively gets him killed. Its only After Optimus Prime is killed, and then brought back that he actively tries to kill anyone. Which...I think would be a very fair point for anyone that has been fighting the same dude for basically forever might realize there is no hope for them. When finally given the opportunity Megatron absolutely went for the kill on Optimus. The Fallen was trying to destroy Earth. And in Time he found out that the Humans were killing and desecrating his friends. Realized he was going to be betrayed by Sentinel and have him and all his people killed.
Bayverse Optimus did start off as the Optimus we knew. The world was just extremely cruel to him and didn't leave nearly as much room to be so Optimistic.
Fair take.
Agree, he's not a psychopath. He's like the G1 but faces real-life situations. That's why I love Bayverse Optimus Prime is a hero who doesn't have many choices and makes mistakes. I do want to watch G1 but people like Geewunners frustrated me. But you got to admit he has the best action solo scenes since any Transformers Franchise. That's what I hear about paper melon.
4:33 The Transformers One version isn't even Optimus for most of the movie. He is Orion Pax. I think some just didn't like the idea of seeing Orion before he was Optimus, but this was a beautiful and heart stirring origin for Optimus and Megatron.
It sure was.
a year ago before this movie was announced i was thinking "what if they made a trilogy about the war of cybertron and then move onto earth, meh to good to be true "
@@BraveBladeProductions trashformers one flopped 4 a reason its the worst optimus prime ever. G1 optimus prime is the best one forever the best movie was 1986 one and live action ones are the best too.
The moment he kneels down infront of the other Minors to be at his level is the real moment he becomes Optimus Prime
@@Palmer132 thats not how he becomes optimus prime they did him dirty its a good thing movie flopped. Thank go it lost alot of money.
Idk why but 2007's live action Optimus was something too terrifically astonishing and was perfection in my eyes.
Design wise ? Yes. Characterwise ? Nope,it's absolute garbage.
@vishnugopalawasthi5888character wise he negs TFP
The live action Optimus Prime is the one who’s been beaten down and betrayed so many times he doesn’t care about “being the better person” anymore he knows that the only way this ends is with violence, and why draw it out when he can just end it?
Interesting take, I like it.
@ Thank You
I mean when you think about it, he doesn’t become as violent until after
1: multiple of his friends die
2: HE dies and gets revived
3: He’s betrayed by Sentinel which results in EVEN MORE of his friends dying
4: humanity betrays him and kills YET MORE of his friends AND MELTS THEM DOWN so they can make their own transformers, but that just brings back his worst enemy AGAIN.
With all of that, even the most righteous man would become vengeful. All he’s ever done was in the goal of peace for all sentient creatures, and all it got him was a dead world and dead friends.
But this isn’t Optimus, that’s just an angry and bitter asshole, like, everything up until age of extinction is fine, but aoe just butchered his character
@@NikkiBestGirlQuit bitching like anyone will act all fatherly like after witnessing many acts of war betrayal and trauma like I know it's fiction but sometimes realistic depth can make sense
@@jonathanjoestar3923 I don't know man, he's not the only one that doesn't agree with where Bayverse Optimus is going
TBH I feel like TFP optimums is the balance between good leadership and is also not afraid to come to terms with the fact that violence is necessary in some situations.
it boggles my mind that people classify Orion as selfish yet just about everything he does is for the benefit of everyone else.
the only time he does something "selfish" is enter himself and D-16 into the Iacon 5000 without his consent. And even that got D an audience with Sentinel Prime, which was a big deal for him.
Everything else though, he does to make life better for everyone else
He's just a nice guy.
On the surface, his actions are selfish, but under all that, its alll to prove that they are more then meets the eyes
Not all hope is lost yet. Hasbro says they are looking forward to working with the director on future projects, the blu-ray sold out on Amazon, and Paramount says the streaming numbers are great.
Good News!
This *very* quickly became my favorite version of Optimus Prime shortly after seeing Transformers One. I see a lot of people in this comment section saying TFP Prime is better, and while I definitely agree he's one of the best Optimus Primes, I find this version better in nearly every way.
I, personally, like to see Optimus as a believable and relatable character, not as this amazing chosen one that TFP *loves* to remind you he is. I love Orion Pax's journey, and when he finally does become Optimus Prime, he's pretty damn perfect. He has all the qualities we're used to with Prime, he isn't needlessly brutal like in most recent movies, but what *I* really liked to see was the light-hearted side of the character. I love how even at the end of the movie, he still engages in playful banter with Elita and B.
This film and *especially* its portrayal of Optimus was such a breath of fresh air, and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since I first saw it a few days after release.
He’s an actual character instead of a War-Torn General. It’s great.
your looking at the same character and saying nothing at all like by the end their the very same character like I dont get this logic your saying Optimus is better when hes not Optimus
@@durrangodsgrief6503 Why are you so upset about me liking this version of Optimus? Why is my happiness a bad thing?
Yea like i love tfp optimus being a stone cold leader but the matrix making him an entirely different person on top of being a reincarnation of one of their gods? Thats way too holy for me, tfone optimus is easily my favourite version. The matrix in tfone gave him the moniker of “Prime” but at his spark, he was always Optimus and that was what made him truly worthy to be leader of the autobots. I also loved how tfone optimus shows that anyone can be great and change the world in significant ways without being a reincarnation/descendant of an ancient prime
@@caramelcandys *Yes!* I agree. This was also just a breath of fresh air after all the brutal Primes in the previous movies
9:07 imo, Orion doesn’t sacrifice his life to save Sentinel, per se, but rather to save D-16 from going down his vindictive dark path. He tried to save both a friend and an enemy in the same moment. Tragic but necessary for the greater good.
You're right.
He better not come after my face, dude.
I think we're safe.
@@BraveBladeProductions For now.
What wasn't justified for Orion, is believing in d-16, when he shouldn't have. He didn't just try to save Sentinel - he wanted to sacrifice himself for everyone, including d-16
This version and Skybound's is pretty much a renascence for Optimus as a character in my opinion. It's never been a bout whether or not Optimus Prime fights, he IS a soldier, but *WHY* he fights and when. I think this is the real flaw of live action Optimus, Bay's in particular wants to fight for the sake of it, for domination, Rise of The Beasts because revenge.
Exactly!
Bayverse Optimus does not fight for the sake of it. Also, comparing any Prime to Skybound Optimus is a little unfair, considering he is the best version that makes Prime Optimus look bad.
People comparing TFP Optimus and One Optimus act like 2 kings can't coexist. Same with Skybound
I initially didn't like Optimus trying to save Sentinel being his great, defining act of heroism, because I don't believe in the idea that "good guys don't kill bad guys once they're defeated". Megatron is correct to the extent that sometimes, justice requires the death of a perpetrator. And I can tell that that's what the writers were going for because Alpha Trion says "your sacrifice FOR THE GREATER GOOD" is what Primus respects. But leaving aside that foolishness, on reflection, I actually do think that this was the right thing for Optimus to do. Because Megatron wasn't trying to achieve justice, per se. There was no trial, no due process, none of the necessary formality to take the killing out of the personal realm and make it just. It was just brutish, gang-style execution born of Megatron's personal anger and inner darkness. It was mob justice, which is no justice at all.
Also it was almost certainly a direct repudiation of Optimus doing the same thing to Sentinel in DotM.
I always saw Bayverse Optimus as a realistic portrayal of his character. Optimus started out a traditional Optimus in 2007, but after all the stuff he goes through, he loses the good he once had. He clings to the remnants of his former ideals, but deep down, he knows there is nothing left of his people, his home, or of his character to salvage.
Bayverse Prime would've killed Megatron and Sentinel lol.
I saw it more so as Orion sacrificing himself to perhaps change D's mind. He saw how increasingly violent and vengeful D-16 was getting, and he knew killing Sentinel would not be the end of it. He sacrificed himself in hopes that D would step back, rethink his decisions, and get some sense knocked into him. What he did not expect was for D to ditch his friend over his new ideals.
I feel like that last Optimus’ warning to the Quintessons was a miss opportunity for a Peter Cullen cameo to say “I am Optimus Prime!”
Would've been cool.
D-16 and Orion Pax were both friends who needed each other. Megatron and Optimus Prime are now enemies and still need each other. Without Optimus, the Decepticon's have no enemy to rally against, and without Megatron Optimus isn't able to grow as a leader and forced to make difficult decisions.
The marketing was terrible man. They should have just put out the pre movie video of the voice actors talking about growing up with the movies.
I loved the movie. But I have to disagree, Transformers Prime is simply PEAK CONTENT!
In defence of bayverse Optimus. The universe he is in is brutal, so he had to adapt to it. At the start, he was “somewhat” calm and reasonable robot. And when it came down to it, he was willing to kill him self to destroy the all-spark to protect humanity in particular despite seeing how violent they are, knowing that they are just like them. And he had no intention of killing Megatron, his only goal was to get the cube away from him to destroy it. His psychotic behaviour only started after he died in the forest, when he had his taste of death. All of that could may have well traumatised him especially considering in his final moment, he only saw Sam all alone, completely vulnerable, and at the hands of the decepticons. Dying knowing you had failed is probably one of the worst feeling you could have. And he also just witnessed the dude who had been the main source of his problems for millions of years, who caused him nothing but suffering, just come back from the dead, his violence in that forest fight is definitely understandable. That forest fight is probably what started the change Optimus prime, from being the lovable commander to this violent psychopath.
Later down the line, his mentor, and close friend, sentinel prime, betrayed him and killed iron hide. Everything he learnt, down to his morals and beliefs was taught by sentinel prime, and he had betrayed him. Why keep morals taught by someone who was so willing to break them. And especially by someone he looked up too.
The betrayal by the humans would further worsen Optimus prime. As stated before, in the first movie, Optimus was still willing to protect the humans despite knowing very well that they were going to kill bumblebee after they captured him. Yet, in age of extinction, he was done protecting them and was even willing to kill them. After seeing how quickly they turned on him and his friends, and seeing how they killed said friends by the hundred. It would shatter his view on humanity.
Optimus wasn’t a psychopath from the start, he just learnt to adapt to a universe that was psychopathic.
TF One is the best Transformers movie.
I mean Optimus literally cried when he stepped on a deer. 😭
Yep.
He never stopped trying to save his friend.
I enjoyed this movie and is my favorite movie of the year due to telling a shakespearian tragedy about how Optimus and Megatron became arch enemies.
I think Transformers One is the best thing I've seen since I was a boy watching the original Movie in the 80s., I just hope we get more!
Same.
My big issue with the comparison between Bay Optimus and One Optimus is that the cotexts of their universes and their place in them is so different. Bay Optimus has been in this fight for thousands of years, witnessed essentially an apocalypse on their homeworld, and is fighting borderline monsters that want nothing more than to kill or enslave, plus this is, again, thousands of years into everything. One Optimus has only just become Optimus, their homeworld isn't destroyed yet and the war hasn't even properly started yet. Hell, both factions are barely set up by the time of the post credits. I totally get people preferring One Optimus but Bay Prime's characterization has always made sense within the context of the Bay universe, no he is not a "psychopath" or "war criminal", and the comparison between these two versions just doesn't feel all that genuine. The context of everything is too different and it feels like a way to hate on Bay Prime more than anything.
That is more so in regards to the topic in general though, as I do think that your video is extremely well done! I may not agree with everything here, but it was well put together and a good watch!
Thanks man.
That's more like victimus prime
Bayverse is garbage, cope seethe
@@vishnugopalawasthi5888 Oh wow, so cool, so edgy! Thank you for sharing such a useless opinion. Dislike the Bayverse all you want, doesn't change anything that I said lmao
@@Talon_Productions yep, it doesn't change anything. Bayverse is still garbage, it's optimus is still a psychopath.
Transformers prime Optimus and most characters in the show are the best of any transformers media. Optimus and Megatron in tfp won’t be beaten in my book
Prime was also in the Bumblebee movie for a few minutes too. Was the first time we saw his original characterization and design for years.
Yep.
In my opinion, one of the main things that connects all of the best Optimus' together is the idea of necessity.
They're necessary, regardless of if they want to be or they think they are.
Because they're the only ones who display the spark worthy of a prime, they're thrust into the role, serving as the glue that holds everyone together.
Thats why i love both TFP and the Cybertron games depiction of Optimus, and while i also love TFONE's approach to it as well.
In all three continuities, Primus gave Optimus the matrix because there was no other option and Optimus(or rather Orion) was the only one left that could potentially save the planet and overcome evil.
I think the theme of "unexpected leaders out of necessity" follows the series' themes since the beginning, and I think thats also the theme of Hot Rod in the first movie.
The best leaders to light our darkest hour isn't always the most prepared or strongest, but one who has a spark and will pure and gentle enough to prevail evil.
Optimus was the one transformer at the time that had the spark and will of a prime, even if he wasn't quite ready yet.
And i think Transformers ONE does that theme AMAZINGLY well.
(This is also one of the most underated themes in the franchise imo!)
Optimus doesn’t need the matrix to be Optimus Prime, that is why he has it.
"Pause this video and watch the movie"
BET. And holy shit was that film PEAK. Hard to believe it suffered at the box office. I'd say one of the upsides was the pacing, especially compared to modern 2.5+hr films. Not that I wouldn't have minded perhaps another 15-20 minutes of actual screentime to get some better character representation for Bee and Alita, or perhaps a different final outlook for the original Primes, but still. Great pacing.
I feel so much regret for not watching the film. I was too busy 😔
Transformers 1 is one of the best films I've seen this year
Same here.
Transformers prime is peak
I actually agree. For the last couple of Tf media I felt like the writers actively disliked Optimus Prime.
Like in Erathsprk, where Megatron has more empathy than Prime, and has to go on about why the war was necesarry, because Earthsaprk Optimus did not see the problems the lower classes had to endure.
The ROTB movie's Optimus was outright OC. He was petulant, paranoid of humanity without any reason, lacked the compassion, and optimism OPTIMUS is known for. HE is supposed to be strong enough to be gentle. He was not, and I feel like the writers wanted their shitty characters to shine, so they had to push Optimus down.
Not to mention the Netflix series Optimus who is the worst Optimus Prime ever. He is indecisive, weak, and behaves like an edgy teenager.
TF One actually showed such respect towards Optius's chaaracter. Yea, he started out very immature, but he still had evry quality which made Optimus recognizable. (even at the start of the film he was loyal, brave, was taking responsability for his mistakes, was trying to defend people around him, he was filled with hope, optimism etc)
The film was more than what meets the eye
Hasbro's poor decision making ONE AGAIN has cost them money and us joy.
Yep.
G1 fan here and I agree with you. Met Peter Cullen and I will always love his creation, but this version was the best I've ever seen.
Mad respect to Cullen, but he isn't the only Optimus Prime.
@@BraveBladeProductions agreed
Dude Optimus is far from an idiot he’s wise beyond his years to the point where the right choice is not the smartest decision
The birth of Optimus Prime was one of the peak cinematic sequences EVER
Unicron trilogy being underrated is just impossible
Sorry to say but it kinda is.
Marketing failed this film. It was brilliant and we saw it twice in the theater.
Chris Hemsworth was surprisingly excellent as Optimus Prime, and it really shocked me how much range he has as an actor/voice actor, as he sounded like a young Peter Cullen. I especially love his characterisation as it made more sense to make him this more rambunctious, hot-headed guy who's so ambitious to prove himself and make things better, albeit at the expense of getting himself and others like D-16 into trouble. I liked how they chose to have him mature and grow up to understand his responsibilities and how his actions have consequences, juxtaposed with D-16's downfall. Honestly, I just loved that they chose to make Orion the extroverted, reckless go-getter and make D-16 the introverted, simple, hard worker who believed in the system, but both still cared for each other as friends. That scene where Orion inspires the miners to fight back against Sentinel was so empowering because it really shows what kind of person Orion is I love the detail of Orion kneeling down at the miners' level because, unlike Sentinel, he was one of them and saw all of them as friends and family and inspiring all of them like a good father figure, which is everything Optimus Prime should be, a noble, hopeful, brave leader who's never afraid to be gentle or compassionate to others.
Chris killed it.
More or less yes
All optimus primes are best optimus primes
Amen.
I would’ve loved if D6‘s voice in the post credit scene when he says decepticons rise up to Corey Burton’s voice from transformers animated it would’ve just been perfect and along with your Peter cullen idea, we would’ve gotten the best voice actors because those two versions are the best Optimus and Megatron
" That's optimus prime."
This is why they don't make dredd 2 you can't just expect them to make a sequel after first movie flopped because fans like you didn't watch it and now you demand a sequel
I think Orion couldve been handled abit better. He really seems selfish early on.
The humble and inspiring Orion Pax I know, wouldve not endangered the other miners like him. He wouldve said, no we shouldn't get them involved, keeping innocents safe is important. And instead, couldve been recruiting bots from the iacon 5000, even him punching darkwing, couldve been handled with him, telling darkwing the truth about sentinal, and we couldve seen darkwing react to it.
Orion knows the way things work is currupted, making darkwing as much as a victim as the rest of them. A victim of sentinals lies.
I also wish that Orion was less skilled in combat before the matrix is earned. That is a major part of him, is that he was never such skilled.
Fair.
Sanctimonious Oreo Pix and badassatron killed this movie for me. Seriously. I felt closer to Megatron than the good guys.
Bayverse optimus prime suffered so much in the movie and you guys expect him to be calm and happy
Every other Prime did and we expect him not to be a murdering pschopath.
Well at the very least I expect optimus to not a) revel in violence and b) kill a human
All versions of Optimus suffered a lot, yet he’s the only one that’s acted like a psycho.
@@speedycheese790 How the hell is he a murder or a pschopath when he defending others and doesn't boast about it.
There are good and bad ways to show it. Transformers Prime had maybe the best interpretation of Optimus Prime ever, he was kind, selfless, optimistic, he always gave the Decepticons a chance to be better (the last thing has a big payoff at the end of Predacons Rising) and the show made sure you knew this, but there were a few moments where Optimus lost his cool and it elevated those scenes because you knew that this guy just never loses his cool. Also Predacons Rising gave Optimus perhaps the best sendoff.
the live action movies are the down to earth events of what happens when a character is bogged down by centuries of war before literally dying and seeing someone important being left alone with Megatron and then having to deal with humanity betrayal, his mentor betraying then killing his friends and more. His character arc was going from a peace preacher to a absolute protector no matter the cost hes the version who permanently internalized the raff moment from prime and never let it go
That's an interesting perspective.
"dOwn tO eaRtH eVenTs" wow, what a cope.
Transformers: Prime Optimus Prime will always be the best Optimus IMO but TF: ONE Optimus is absolutely fantastic.
That’s a great pick.
Orion did not die to save Sentinel, but to spare his life so he can face justice, died for Cybertron not to have hate and violence as foundation for a new era, and choose to die rather than seeing his brother turn into Sentinel.
Even after all of this, he spares Megs life, giving him and the high guard freedom and a chance to thrive for themselves in an Energon rich Cybertron.
Sentinel, Airachnid, and everyone corrupt in Cybertron did not have red eyes. Megs and the cons are not evil, just radicalized and driven by resentment. The sequels must not make OP do stupid shit just for the sake of the plotline that Cybertron is dying, this film has the foundation for a Megatron/cons redemption arc.
Instead of Megatron having his authoritarian terror validated by Optimus messing up big time for the greater good, have the struggle to rid Cybertron of the dystopia and corruption Sentinel played king over be why bots join the cons, and fall for the cons deception(in the current state of affairs, Megs has nothing to go against Prime but lies).
After the Quintessons are taken care of, or while they are about to be defeated have some Unicron level threat force Autobots and Decepticreeps unite to survive. Have Megs stop being a hater and notice OP is a real leader and have them work together to unify Cybertron, instead of the nonsense Earthspak gave us with the whole G.H.O.S.T. BS.
Would love to see both factions team up to take on the Quintessons.
G1 Optimus: Making decisions
Bayverse Optimus: Making the hard decisions
TFONE Optimus: Making the Right decisions
TFONE Optimus made horrible decision by trying to save Sentinel
@phantomhd7889 he wasnt saving sentinel at all. He didn't want d-16 to become a monster like him. Killing whoever he wanted just cuz they disagree with him. If it came down to it I believe that Optimus would have lead Cybertron and iacon to make a decision together. And Optimus would have seen through his execution for his crimes for he's to dangerous to live.
@phantomhd7889 talking about sentinel btw, prime would have let the people decide and his jurisdiction be the only things to lead to his death. As sentinel is legit to dangerous to live
@SHARK-KING yes he was saving Sentinel which is stupid. Not letting D 16 to kill him is exactly the same as saving the one who is going to be killed. And D-16 had every right to kill Sentinel, not by fusion cannon, but by torture as he said earlier. Yet because of Orion's stupidity he was killed in the process
@@phantomhd7889 no one has the right to take another life. Everyone has the option to. It defines who we are when we are tasked with making a decision as such. Justice is not bound to one man.
Nobody and I mean nobody has mentioned the call back to 1986 Transformers The Movie. When Orion Pacs jumps in the air shooting mirrors, the way Optimus jumped in the air shooting when he soloed the Deceptions in 86. For me Transformers One and G1 are the same Optimus Prime
Transformers One is my favorite movie ever!
I love this version of Optimus Prime. It is tied with Cyberverse Optimus Prime for second place though. TF Prime Optimus Prime is still my favorite version of the character
Apparently this Optimus is Giant like way bigger than the Live action but i kinda like that.
The bayverse prime in the first film wasn't all so violent and I'm surprised that people don't mention that, yes starting from rotf he got more violent but that's only cuz he became more broken and the whole message was you're either killed or be killed, yes it sounds harsh but that's unfortunately true sometimes in reality, if you want to survive, you have to choose to either kill or be killed even if we don't want to resort to either of those options. Literally in rotf optimus was getting beaten 3v1, in dark of the moon his mentor betrayed him, in aoe humans turned against him. This is true in reality where even the truest principles we're viewed to stay keen to, everyone has a limit until they lose themselves. I don't hate the other transformer films such as bumblebee, rotb, and tf one. But I do feel that people hate bay WAY too much, yes there are flaws in the movie such as not focusing on the robots themselves and the human protagonist getting too much screen time. But the other aspects such as the CGI, transformation, and a realistic take on the robots themselves I don't see many people appreciate. Wether you hate the bayverse designs or not, you can't lie that the transformation and CGI was well done. Plus the audience transformers appeals to most are people who are in their late teens and adults, I don't know any kids to this day who likes transformers, plus it's not like the audience can't handle violence. The only reason why other directors and producers have made their own take on transformers is to mainly satisfy the G1 transformer fans when clearly transformers shows and cartoons are dead and should stay dead for the better since it's basically lost media.
I would also say Skybound Optimus is awesome
Great video! While I do have a lot of nostalgia of Bayverse Prime and he does have a lot of positive moments, I am not a fan of his bloodthirsty characterization. I'm fine with ROTB Optimus because at least he has a sympathetic reason to be violent especially when Scourge killed Bumblebee, who is one of his best friends (who is also like a son to him). But that's just my opinion. TF One Optimus is definitely one of my favorite depictions of the great and gentle Autobot leader.
Recency bias is crazy
Perhaps.
I haven't seen all tf shows but for me rn One!Optimus is what optimus should be. Hes so, so similar to his g1 counterpart. Like elita says his blind optimism and will is what make him strong. Hes not a bloodthirsty killer amd doesnt want revenge. He wamts justice and freedom. THIS. Is my optimus prime, finally we have him back on the big screen !
Also small detail i noticed is when OP cut megatron gun in half, at the last second he goes up so his axe would not touch megatrons head and kill him right there. He could have but did not rip his face off like Bayverse
(Note: So far ive only seen all bayverse, prime, earthspark and half of g1)
He is well and truly Optimus Prime.
Transformers The Last Knight Optimus Prime will remain my favorite.
Cool man.
The story of tfo is the best story in the tf movies, franchise, and recent years of cinema
A true tragedy captured in film.
The comics had more interesting stories(read skybound) but I will agree best on screen story
TF1 Prime is the best of 7 or 8 movies. When can we get a leader like Optimus in our world....
TF1 is a good cartoon, but very much overrated, raised to a cult of perfection with its characters by the franchise community itself, and this happens every time something partly "new" appears. In this franchise, so many different and unique things have been presented over the years of its existence, with weak, strong, and most importantly UNIQUE sides, but at the same time, mentioning their iterations is reduced only to mentioning that one was an icon of childhood, the second was a maniac, the third was kind, when in fact, behind these images there is much more, which requires a more thorough analysis, or at least an understanding of the depth of the issue. Optimus Prime is not the image, at the iteration of which you can look and identify one by saying that this option is the best, because Optimus in the same Armada did not need to be an ideal good guy, did not need to carry kindness in himself, on the contrary, he was a character filled with hatred, but at the same time fighting with his feelings for the sake of the well-being of those around him...
This is only one example of many, but I think I understood that you should not elevate fleeting thoughts to the absolute, and that this topic is more than at first glance)
10:42 oh my god 😂😂😂😂
“OVER MY DEAD CORPSE WILL YOU TAKE MY GLORY FROM ME” - probably Bayverse Optimus Warcrime
It's funny, despite the absolute mess that Optimus becomes in the Bay movies, I feel like each movie has at least ONE moment that feels like SOMEONE on the writing team had a genuine understanding of what made Optimus who he was.
Best example for me is the first Transformers, when the Autobots talk outside the Hoover Dam, and it's one of my favourite scenes in ANY Transformers movie.
Ironhide: "Why are we fighting to protect the humans? They're a primitive, violent race."
Optimus: "Were we so different? They're a young species, they have much to learn. But I've seen goodness in them. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings."
This understanding that any species is capable of being violent, cruel, and savage, but that doesn't make them any less deserving of life, is something that we sadly lose as the series goes on. And it'd be one thing if this were treated as an intentional plot point, but it really isn't. Transformers 4 is the only one that even tries to do that, and much like everything in that movie, it's an interesting concept done absolutely terribly. Heck, even Transformers 2 has a great line that I feel isn't appreciated enough, when it comes to why Optimus fights:
Megatron: "Is the future of our race not worth a single human life?"
Optimus: "You'll never stop at ONE."
Title is misleading because nothing beats TF: Prime but i agree that this movie might be the best on screen representation of what Optimus stands for
Everyone has their own personal favourite.
I think Skybound, when that day comes when an adaptation is made, will be far better
@@BraveBladeProductions nah my opinion is 100% unbiased fact
@@krishp1104An opinion can not be a fact🤨
@@Demolisher-40-556 thats the joke bud
This Might be the Best Optimus Prime Version we have in a Long While, sure Peter Collin’s is Fantastic but Chris did a Fantastic Job with the Role as a Young Orion Pax, he Rebels on Protocol Yes however unlike D-16 who even in the Start of the Film he only believes in Himself and even more so when he finds out the Truth, Pax was breaking the Rules for a Better Future for Cybertron and it’s People embracing their Potential, even though he’s different from his other incarnations he’s extremely Accurate as Pax always searches for Knowledge like how other Orion Pax Versions was a Liberian and shows how Intelligent and Clever he is like how he has Quick Thinking in Escape from Danger or Fighting Against It, who he Enters and solved Solutions in that Race, how he Save Jazz and Bee, and how he took the Idea to Expose Sentinel when Airachnid said “I Can See Everything” giving him the Advantage, hell Chris took Notes from Peter Himself to Understand the Tone and Character Better as Peter said he’s going to voice Prime in Live Action Movies but he’s giving his Blessings to Someone Else in Animated Projects and I’m ok with that.
That's cool man.
I wanted to see the reasons why you think this is the best version of Optimus Prime, and with everything you said in the video comparing only the movie versions of this character I agree with you.
You mentioned Transformers Prime at one point, and that let me know that you at least know about that show or you have watched it all, in my opinion Transformers Prime has the best version of Optimus Prime, and i can believe you heard that from others in the comments, I also read some comments and saw a lot of arguing where people talked bad about the show, that it was only made for kids, that Optimus is too boring, that he only has "speeches" and that he is not a person, and so on, which tells me a few things, that some people don't have the patience to watch the show because they have a tiktok brain now, that they will not pay attention and ignore all aspects of a character, that some people don't like the show or haven't seen it but don't like it because a lot of people praise it too much, or that they have another show they like more because of nostalgia.
I'm an adult and I understand that nothing is perfect in life, and that the Transformers Prime show has its flaws, where the animation had problems at the beginning of the show, where there was too little time and money for the complete vision of this world that the creators wanted and were making, and to some complaints that people have on Optimus's character with him sometimes being too perfect, or too pure or other traits that would make him boring in someone's eyes, and a lot of people don't like the "leader" type of character if that character has little or no flaws at all, because they don't have that sauce, those flaws that would make them more of a person, but they are just righteous to the end, people like when characters go through some arc of growth, where they have a lot of flaws, and then in the course of the story they change and become better, while Optimus Prime in Transformers Prime is already a complete leader, and the fan didn't see the journey that this Optimus went through to become such a leader, and that's why some people find his character boring, but he is not boring to me.
A lot of Optimus's imperfections and his life before he became a Prime is presented in the books that describe life before war on Cybertron and the war on Cybertron in Transformers Prime universe, and this movie is one version of Transformers universe before the war on Cybertron and a version of these characters that a lot of people wanted to see, and I prayed that one day the Transformers Prime universe will be adapted completely (talking about those books), but it is now impossible because of this movie building its version of a new Transformers universe.
The Transformers Prime show, considering all the flaws it has, is still in my opinion the best version of the Transformers universe we've ever gotten, including the characterization of Optimus Prime, where he is "strong enough to be gentle", in many ways a perfect leader in the eyes of others (sometimes in my eyes too), and very determined and a responsible person, a leader who never speaks highly of himself because he knows he's not perfect or doesn't brag about his victories or successes, because he doesn't see himself as anything more or bigger than his responsibilities and duties.
Thanks to anyone who reads all of this, I always get a little extra when I write about something I'm passionate about.
The marketing for this movie is what killed it. It was the same for treasure planet and megamind. If they didn't release that stupid first trailer that literally showed Orion pax flipping off someone then families would have gone to see it. Honestly when I saw the trailer I thought it was going to be awful. Paramount wanted this to fail so they can keep making bay like transformers. I guarantee you that they are going to make a bay like movie for the next transformers movie. 😭
This is my favorite Transformers animation since Transformers: Prime!
I would have to agree.
The marketing department killed the movies chances.
Bro I didn’t even know the movie was out till it was out of the theatres
wow.
im not really a huge transformer consumer til now, tfo was my gateway to watching so much transformers stuff. I always saw the optimus of this movie to be Orion Pax: naive, dumb, but always wanting to know more of the truth. Becoming more heroic that polarizes megatron.
his voice didnt have that crisp deepness i was slightly hoping for when he becomes optimus. i expected him to be smarter since hes the leader of the autobots. not to say i know what the real optimus is.
I like other OP just bc the voice was giga deep, but i still love this ver of op
Optimus prime being 50ft tall just hurts me in some how like there’s a perfect height for characters Optimus prime is between 20 and 25 feet
its cool that the matrix allows energon to flow, I like to think the planet can only be at balance when the forces of good and evil are present to clash with each other relating to the term "till all are one". The matrix was present when both the forces of good and evil on cybertron were balanced, once the primes fell, there was only dark forces governing the planet, and once a new leader rose and a new villain was born, energon could flow - or something i don't know?
It's a cool concept for sure.
I don't agree that he's the best Optimus prime but he's one of the best.
I can get behind that.
G1 is always and will always be THE optimus in my opinion
Bayverse prime is honestly funny yes he's blood thirsty but he also wants to end a war and he does what's necessary he won the war just to get slammed into another one i would be bloodthirsty as well
He’s at least fun to watch.
No skybound optimus prime ?? what a crime ??
Soz, haven't read it yet.
I say TFP has the best Optimus, he’s not a killer at heart, he’s not a warmonger, but he still fights and when able he trys to convert decipicons to the Autobots, but he’s also not dead serious, he’s kind and caring especially to the human kids and his bond with Jack reminds me of a kinda like a father, I mean he did trust Jack with essentially his entire existence so he trust others even those who aren’t transformers, but when it comes to fighting and it’s an absolute must he will fight, he will kill, but he won’t rip them to shreds and he will sacrifice everything for others….. even his own planet.
TFP Optimus is goated for sure.
people point fingers at bayverse OP but forget the Deceptcons in those movies are psychos and not you'r usual vilain.
"I will kill you"
Okay homer simpson
Nothing can’t beat G1 Prime and I was born in 2005
Fair.
Nothing CAN’T? I’m sorry, was that a typo? Because I really hope it was.
Gotta respect the ogs
TF Prime Optimus is still my favorite
TF one Prime is still the optimistic Optimus. The Others are alread Prime in his Prime, he has been through many battles and became that grumpy old man
Why it didn't do better is clearly the fault of the producers. It was barely advertised, and when it was it looked like a stupid teen movie they were trying to make 'cool and hip' for the teens. It looked terrible! I don't think they could have made a worst trailer for it! I almost didn't watch it. But the youtubers I watched gushed 'if you're a fan of Transformers, then you HAVE to see this movie'! So, I gave it a try. I was shocked how good it was! Glad I listened and checked it out.
I fully agree with your interpretation of Optimus Prime's Character in this movie being an optimists that sometimes blindy does things for the greater good and although they might not good smoothly, its always with good intentions at heart. The interesting parallel I see to this and one that I don't think enough people realize when watching this movie. Is how Megatron sees the actions done by his friend as selfish and stupid, ignoring the good that he's done. When the mine they are in collapses and Jazz gets stuck, he goes back to save him. This results in Elita getting fired, but this was done only to save someone else's life. Later he tricks D into joining in the race and even though they don't win, he doesn't do this just to embarrass them and get them into trouble. Hes doing it so that the miners can have even a small sliver of hope that they are worth something more. This all leads to the scene in the cave where they all discover the truth about their leadership and how their whole lives have been a lie. Notice how D's first reaction is to blame his best friend. And yes while his anger is understandable, calling Orion selfish is completely wrong. When D gains his cog and they battle, his first instinct is to lead them, taking the evidence for himself. Then, when they meet the hi- guard rebels, instead of trying to reason with them and gain their help. He immediately resorts to antagonizing the leader, and fighting him to gain more power. This isn't justified anger, this is rage and selfishness of power. The nail in the coffin is when he finally gets megatronus cog, there's no hesitation. He grabs it for himself, you can see the evil grin as he puts it in. Hes proud of whats hes done, it turns out all along. That he was truly the selfish one that only wanted power, not justice.
Megatron and Prime ultimately want the same thing, but they just don't agree on how they can achieve it.
@@BraveBladeProductions Yes this is what alot of people who watch it don't get. They just think Megatron justified in every sense, which he's really not if you think about it.
Honestly yes my favorit version between all the Optimus Prime version who ever exist is the Transformers ONE version honestly
How can he not be?
God damn someone not asking somebody. It's not up to you. A person who acts as Artemis Prime started midnight with you.
honestly I think this prime and TFPs Prime are good.
You're correct.
TF One Optimus gets things where he does not ask for it
TF One Megatron takes things when he did not "deserve" it
That's pretty accurate.
Not saying TFOne Optimus isnt great, but that one is still on the start of his journey, while every other one wd have seen is already jaded and tired of a huge conflict, so kind of an unfair advantage.
Good point, but transformers prime and the cybertron series optimus are absolutely phenomenal.
True that.