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Tuned Acura Integra Type S Review - Is Hondata Worth It?
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- Опубліковано 18 січ 2024
- Let's see how the Integra Type S feels with a Hondata FlashPro and custom tune with NO supporting bolt ons.
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That wheel tire package really sells how much wider the car is. Damn good looking!
I think the car should've came with AWD, especially for that asking price. They're already hitting the limits of how much power you can send to the front wheels, and with that tune, it's likely to obliterate the front tires.
its FWD get over it already
@@jh9363 Never!!
They do make it in AWD. It’s called the TLX type s. It’s about $5k more. Making the ITS with AWD would have hurt TLX type s sales. That’s accounting 101 for ya.
@@jh9363 people have already awd swapped it.. stop being a sheep.. people don't have to accept anything. For $60,000, it 100% should be awd from Factory and come with a DCT or 10-speed option too.
It’s an integra. Now quit yapping
It's good to see that modern tuners will allow us to keep some modern features.
Thank you for sharing. 😊
$2000 for a tune is crazy. I could see $800 for a pro-tune on the dyno.
$2000 off the shelf tune is crazy. But custom tone is decent
Not to mention the $2000 tune netted him, what, 29 wheel horsepower? That's obscenely expensive for what you get in return.
@@chrism65 yeah I would not pay that much for that tune. I tuned my MK8 GTI and it cost me 900 with a flash cable and I gained more than 29 HP
It's 2024 my friend
for a tcu and ecu tune i think i paid close to 1800
Back in late 90s I had an eclipse GS-T and was putting down 400 hp and traction, wheel hop, torque steer, etc was such an issue I went awd with a GSX and an Evo and I told myself never again with a FWD.
Can the Type S/CTR run an ethanol blend with the stock fuel system? I have the ‘22 WRX and we can also get ~320whp from a stock car tuned on 93 octane, but I got 360whp with an e60 tune on my otherwise stock car, and now I’m making 383whp/415ft-lbs with an intake and upgraded top mount intercooler. My total spent for the Accessport, etune, intake and intercooler was $1805.
Just making conversation btw. Not coming here to say my car is better. I wish I could have cross-shopped a CTR but I live up in the mountains where we get lots of winter weather.
The Civic Type R can run an ethanol blend up to about e25-e30 before maxing out the stock fuel system using a Plug and play flex fuel kit that costs about $500. My Civic Type R made about 390 WHP 415WTQ on an e25 blend using a prl flex fuel kit. If you want to run higher ethanol content, there are obviously fuel system upgrades out there that allow you to run higher percentages of ethanol, but as far as I'm aware you can never run pure e85, it's always some sort of mixture.
@@drewh22 right on. Thanks for the info. Our ‘22+ WRXs can run full e85 with the stock fuel system but it’s kinda pointless for most people since our transmission starts to grenade above 420ft-lbs. Have to swap in a $6k STI transmission to hold more power.
@@blueridge8992I came from an STI and loved that transmission, I've heard good things about the new FA24 engines. I never trusted my EJ like I trust the k20c1 in the civic, it's been pretty good for me. I've run at these power level so far for 30k miles with no issues, and I don't experience random knock like I would sometimes get in the STI with probably bad fuel. I've heard you want to keep the torque lower (below 450) in the lower rpms, other than that there are some people running some pretty impressive numbers on the stock block. 400-700 horsepower is relatively attainable. The problem with these cars is putting that power down to the ground in some conditions, especially first and second gear lol.
He gave a lot of great specs initially, but no 0-60 0:56 time improvement no 1/4 mile with trap speed, no 60 to 130 acceleration…. 🙄🤷
Hello, my ITS presently has the transmission removed due to clutch failure. 6500 miles. Dealer and Acura are being very supportive. I am the only driver, sooo...only me to blame. But I don't feel that I drove it as aggressive as you might have. Most of my fun is found going fast, not drag racing. BTW mine is the 705th made. Just thought you might like to know.
how do I find out what production number mine is?
Watching reupload again just for you.
d rider, this rig is trash.
There are no amount of videos that can convince people that the idea of paying an additional $2000 to overwhelm the front wheels with more understeer, more wheel hop, and more unusable power is a good use of $2000.
Keep the engine power stock and drive the car for what it’s meant for, which is to experience high levels of grip and balance in a FWD vehicle.
FWD drivetrains have serious performance limitations that some of you are paying more money to magnify. Adding more power will counteract what Honda/Acura engineers set out to accomplish in the first place.
Appreciate the engineering marvel and accept the reality that “you’re not that guy pal” 😂
This is not the place for your sence making
If you can’t mod ur car then what’s the fun in it?
Absolutely love the Integra Type S! Great review of the car
I'm sure all that extra wheel hop can be attributed to the greatly increased camber (and greatly decreased contact patch) + the increased torque. I can only imagine how bad it would have been with the stock Michelins.
Still watching, but my initial comment is that Hondata woke the shit up outta my 10th gen. Night and day.
Tires were pretty caked in mud for a minute, could hear the mud flinging off, definitely didn’t help your traction issues coincidentally in the very start of the drive here. I would actually lengthen the overall final gearing a bit with the increase in power and the lower rev limit these new 4 cylinders have.
$2k for that tune is CRAZY! My APR Stg 1 93 on my ‘22 GTI pulls 321.2 whp and 349.7 wtq for $600. Bolt-ons and I/C nets an additional 20whp and 35wtq. E60 is about 370 whp and 410 wtq also only $600. And no fuel system upgrade required. It must be a fueling is on the K20C. But yeah. $2k is wild.
The APR ECU unit for the the GTI is $600 and Hondata ECU unit for the Integra is $795. Let’s not get carried away now. Hahaha
Its not $2k for the tune bud... It was 2k for everything, including Flashpro... Either way, these new cars suck(and I have an Fk8 and new Type S)... I prefer my dc5, dc2, and S2k all day... Cant stand the direct injection either. Now, if the Type S and Type are were high 30's from Factory, that would be reasonable. But these cars are still going for close to $60k in a lot of places. Not even close to worth it. You could build the most insane street/track setup in an old chassis, with a better motor(old K24/20) and add all the creature comforts if you wanted to, that would make it more modern.. And you would still be under the MSRP of these new Honda's... For comparison, I make between 500-800whp on my AWD Dc5(depending on Turbo and Fuel Im using), and I have the best of the best everything, I have adaptive Bilstein Suspension that controls dampening and ride height remotely. I have electric AC and PS. Car is fully sound deadened and reclipped, so no drone or rattling in-cabin. I have valved exhaust.. Got fully built k20/24 motor and fully built PPG transmission... And I am only around 40k into the car..
This is all to cheap! Well worth it!
@besicm1 Universal E-tunes are not worth the $ and are a huge risk, especially on direct injection motors. Now FlashPro is 100% worth the investment so you can monitor your parameters and get a real dyno tune or street tune at the very least.
@@JonHop1My APR tune has been going strong since April 23. I've logged 22,300 miles on my '22 GTI. Puts down 320whp / 350wtq on a torque limited off the shelf tune. 368whp/ 408wtq on a stage 2 E85 tune with no need to upgrade the fuel system and the ability to run flex fuel out the box. Thats value to me. And reliability because none of the factory safeguards are removed. I don't have to pay $2k-$3k for any of that. And all on the stock Garrett. The R's on the stock Continental turbo's are putting down 370awhp/332awtq on an ots Stg 1 93 low tq file and 422awhp/412awtq on a Stg 2 E85 ots tune.
Could the increased torque steer be (at least partly) due to the reduced wheel offset?
Absolutely scrub radius effected which is what the duel axis us specifically designed to control. OEM wheels are ET60, these with larger tyre result in a14mm change to scrub radius.
First time viewer so it didn't matter I missed the other review lol. Good stuff man. Thank u
The OG CE28s 🔥
Hondata should be the first power upgrade. I have a Type R instead of the Type S but they are really similar. If 1st gear is too much you can very easily just copy over the torque target tables from comfort or copy the tables into excel and with some basic math blend between them by a desired percentage.
For example on my car I kept comfort stock and put sport halfway between stock and +R.
I paid 50k for this car... It is my mid life crisis car. I will be polishing the clear coat in 30 years like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino
What color did you get ?
@@mrfosheezy5481 black on black
While you were driving I noticed the sound proofing in this car is really well made.
Car rattles like crazy
It’s not 2k for the Hondata. it’s $1130. $795 for the flash pro and $275 +$60 US to ship back.
Question for all the tuning/ modding Civic/Integra guys in comments - knowing that +100 F/40 C track days are quickly sneaking up on us, what are the best ways to manage heat soak, without voiding the warranty?!
It's not really a viable option if you have to void that pristine warranty just to get more than 2 laps on a summer's day in my new Integra. Also, many owners in the forums are reporting that with bolt on air intake/ fuel mods, the stock turbo is basically maxed out with a reasonable tune (I'm not looking to swap out to a larger turbo/ void warranty YET).
I don't think the car needs more power, it needs rwd. Btw the discrepancy on some of the paneling is plain horrible for that price
ich hätte auch nie gedacht , daß ich mich für einen Frontantriebler derart begeistern kann . Was für ein herrlicher Zug an der Vorderachse . Das löst Honda perfekt .
It's not the power it's the limitations of the FWD platform.
I have the Type S and just use it as a daily driver. My only complaint is the adaptive cruise. It’s way too sensitive but outside of that it has been awesome. I drive only in Sport+ and still get 30mpg on hwy and 27mpg around town.
Man that clutch delay valve is terrible lol... Get rid of that thing man!.. I am running an OEM Em1 clutch Master Cylinder and the thing is just SOOO much better having no delay in your shifts/engagement.
By far my favorite car it’s a true beauty and hell of fun to drive ❤❤❤❤
That's not a lot of gains for 2k. I love the Integra overall but I'm sticking to the b58 m340i. 550hp with around 1.5k in mods
I thought I was having deja vu 🤣
I really like these and the Type R’s but I just can’t give up my STI for a fwd.
Intake and full exhaust would be a real benefit. Love it.
Torque steer? Are those wheels the same offset as stock? A 60 offset is hard to find, and I dead that a shorter offset will induce a little torque steer.
A base tune for a Golf R is like 50hp+ and 75lbft
Absolutely love the Integra Type S
Prevent overheating mod?
A stock wrx is almost 15k cheaper is AWD
With better brakes & suspension
With a less flashy interior
Yeah I honestly don’t think that’s a lot of power for the money not enough. In my mk7 I made 580 whp @2,900 lbs on a hybrid vortex XL with 17 inch sticky RPF1 for all $7,000. I am also putting all the power down fine w no issues. Beating 700-800 whp cars v8. You can say it’s fast.
I own this car, i can't get it to understeer. AWD definitely not needed
Will it pass smog?
pulls out of a mud hole with mud flying off the tires... floors it... "whoa it just blew the tires off"..
😂😂😂
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Even stock you can roach the tires on this thing and throwing more power at the already overworked front tires only exposes the biggest weakness of a FWD platform. Paying $2k for @30 HP also doesn't seem like a bargain to me either. Nevertheless, I own a 24 FL5 that I paid under MSRP for and it is a blast to drive. I do not think the Type S is worth the premium they are asking for it but if you want a softer suspension-tacked on rear plastic fenders , heated seats and a better exhaust note go for it.
I would use stock tune on the twisties and hondata tune on the highway. If you do alot of highway driving, the tunes are more fun for doing high speed pulls rather than off the line. It's a fwd car, it will always be suboptimal for dead stop launches, why bother.
$2000 for that little hp gain, Wtf bro? I spent about $3k on my parts. Spent $6500 on my 08 535i and im under $15k total on cost of car,parts, and tunes, and my car is now 540whp. Even gave it the mfactory lsd. Plus i have active suspension. I daily drive mine. F#ck that honda bs! Trash talk aside good car reivew video.
1800 dollar tune seems certainly reasonable for the performance results. Nice overall package.
How do you compare the RE71RS to the V730 you are running? Thanks
RE71RS feels stickier but I need to try them on track
Cool thanks!
If you blew the tires right off, how could you still be able to drive it????
Can it be reflashed to stock without a trace to pass smog in 8 years?
I was wondering the same thing. I was under the impression that the new smog software can pick up evidence of reprogramming, even if the stock tune has been loaded back. Would be interested in hearing from the experts. BTW, I thought it was 6 years not 8?
@@lewishou Pretty sure the ECU has to be jailbroken before you can install aftermarket tunes onto the car. Thus it's pretty easy to find evidence of reprogramming.
Thanks for the reply and I agree. Was just hoping that there would be a trick to cover the tracks. Otherwise may not be worth it for those of us in Ca who may want to keep the car long term. @@drewh22
$600 for +80hp and +80lbft on Audi/VW 2.0T products from APR and others...and AWD puts that power down. That car is overpriced and overhyped and that upgrade is lame for the cost...sorry. But you have some of the best car review vids, so keep up the great work.
There is just too much going on at the front wheels even with stock power....LSD, steering, suspension. It should be AWD for the $52.5k-$60k dealers are still asking. Still adding another $2k when there is so much more you can get that is far better overall.
Gonna comment the same thing then-
ITS = my fav car on the market.
Still not worth $20,000+ more than a Golf R. We shouldn’t be living in a world where corollas and civics have a price tag like this, and it is considered acceptable.
The car is technically a lot less than $20,000 more than a Golf R. That's only if you pay well above MSRP. Still though, the car is $12,000 more than the MSRP for an FK8. It's pretty clear to most people with common sense that this is not the car to buy if you actually care about performance per dollar.
@@drewh22 I live in Canada where the ITS has an MSRP of roughly 70 grand. That’s without markups and taxes. The 2023 golf R can easily be had for 50grand. Nothing I said was false.
@@Eztyc Gotcha. Here in the states both cars MSRP is within $5k of eachother. The only difference is that it's likely harder finding an Integra Type S at MSRP than a Golf R.
My car was the first one with the Hondata tune. Power was 334.2 now 352.6 my torque was 370.22 now 418.74 My car was there Guinea pig. And if you want to use my car for a video, be my guess.
Nice numbers. Could you shoot me a quick email? zygrene@gmail.com
idk its nice inside and out but this car isnt a threat at all on the road. not enough horsepower to compete w other cars for the price. 2k for a tune w barely any increase.
It's the year 2024. A Honda car is finally making 300+ whp on a tune only.
The tlx makes 310whp. Savagegeese also dyno the car to be 299 whp stock.
Want an AWD integra? S1 Built is a company in Florida which can make your honda acura AWD.
thats crazy i got a hondata tune for my new Integra type s for $800 with 388hp to the wheel and 390 torque
how?!?
Thanks for providing all the wheel and tire specs. I can’t believe this type S isn’t lowered. How is the wheel gap so small?
Swift lowering springs
@@466rudy6he said it was still stock. Hasn’t put springs on yet.
It’s worth it for the 93 octane tune, Gains of 47 hp (15%) and 72 lb-ft ( 22%) torque . But the 91 octane you’re reviewing due to poor gas quality in california, Gains of 33 hp (11%) and 39 lb-ft (12%) torque, is not worth it. Wait for a Black Friday special.
Not worth it.
Check the famous TSP and Phearable tunes. They do way better for less money.
@@Marbind not everybody wants a tune thats on the edge of being safe all in the name of max output. Im sure the guys at Hondata know exactly what the other tuner guys are doing to get their numbers.
@@chadclampitt8251
The owner wasted money period.
Even hondata base tunes make power than that too.
🤷🏻♂️
Thousands have used those tunes that I mentioned for years without problems. On their 1.5T and 2.0T
For that reason they are very popular in the community.
@@chadclampitt8251 I'm also tired of seeing all these people advocating for aggressive OTS tunes. Just get a pro tune if you want it done right.
Here for Type R FL5 content 🍻
Where should I stop to talk about the car and get some cool shots of it? How about this muddy spot? 😂
What is the MPG with the modded ECU??? Thanks
Holy shit, 3,177hp?!
Drive the same car with OEM offset and width wheels. The torque steer will be back to stock
Why are these cars so big?
Oh please.. I paid 1250 for the Hondata, Jailbreak and the tune from Phearable and I'm at 380whp on my fl5.. NO. It's not enough.
So still front wheel? Thought maybe with the beefy tires it was awd.
For power it definitely does seem pure turbo is the answer.
That upgrade price to performance is atrocious to the point that I don't understand why someone would even buy this car to do such an expensive, tedious, and mediocre flash. It just screams more money than sense to me and Hondata is taking advantage of that. VW MQB platform $600-$700 ECU flash that you can do at a local shop nets you ~80 HP, ~90 ft-lb. Less than $1k for an AccessPort or similar device + the tune to do it at home.
Hmmm...should I purchase a brand new Integra S or a low mileage C6 Z06? Choices choices.
Z06 no question
The c6 has a valve issue where the valve will drop into the engine and destroy it. If you get a c6 you'll have to do some work to it to prevent that from happening
Joke of the day is hearing a Honda boy call a turbo 4 banger a “torque monster”. Good god. What would they call a twin turbo coyote or a whippled 5.0???
if this was rear wheel drive I would have picked one up
29whp gains with tune?
Did they use regular gas? 🤭
Phearable and TSP offers a calibration for half and offers more than double gains with lots of features including hondata’s advanced traction control.
I think the car experiences less horsepower gains from a re-map because the Integra Type S is tuned to make slightly more horsepower than the Civic Type R from the factory. Phearable and TSP do offer calibrations that gain more horsepower than hondata basemaps, but running aggressive OTS tunes is just asking for issues in my opinion. Best to have the car pro tuned if you're not running the Hondata basemaps imo.
@@drewh22lmao slow honda. Remap doesn't get at least 40-100 who gain 😂😂😂😂 L.
Whp*
@@drewh22 That is your opinion in reality those OTS were bringing happiness with reliability to thousands of owners.
Pro tunes on factory K20Cs are making around the same numbers as these OTS tunes.
Just admit that the tune in the reviewed car was a waste of money.
@@Marbind I think in general it's not worth it to just have the car tuned without at least a few bolt ons, so I agree that it was a waste of money. The Hondata basemaps are intended to be the reliable yet slightly upgraded versions of the stock maps. Phearable and other OTS tunes aren't worth it because they're inherently less reliable than the Hondata map. If you're going to spend $30,000+ on a car, it makes sense to have the car tuned properly rather than running an overly aggressive OTS tune that wasn't designed for all driving conditions.
He said “OMG that’s fast” lol dudes never been in a fast car before. “This things a torque monster” hahaha bro would go crazy in my Camaro
Almost 2 grand for 30whp is crazy
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317whp for just a 2k tune? damn, not worth it at all. Golf R gets 400whp with just a $500 tune
I don’t like the integra I have the 21 tlx a spec and I love the tech package the integra looks like an inside of an acord
Beautiful type s❤
I still like the civic interior vs Acura integra
That power curve from the new tune looks terrible it falls on its face after vtec hits.
Hondata isn't worth it because Ktuner and phearable stage 2 off the shelf tune gives you way more power for only like 750$.
Yeah....let that sink in.
does it come widebody from factory? i’m not a honda guy don’t fry me
Yes
9:20 Apparently motorist aid call boxes still exist in California... 😆
imagine spending 2k for 29/25 hp/tq. spend 2k on a b58 and you'll get over 100/100 0_o.
I agree with the comment that the car should occur with auto driyes. It may be heavier, but I will drive and more power. Yes, pros and cons, but not that many cars out there. Have I will drive made by Honda? Which they said they probably wouldn't be making more of a hint in the market with all the drive as big as it Hyundai's. They need to be more versatile of their engines fire trains. Carrying 2 different things.I know i'm being baby's cost effective , but it should be although driveI agree with the comment that the car should occur with auto driyes. It may be heavier, but I will drive and more power. Yes, pros and cons, but not that many cars out there. Have I will drive made by Honda? Which they said they probably wouldn't be making more of a hint in the market with all the drive as big as it Hyundai's. They need to be more versatile of their engines fire trains. Carrying 2 different things. I know I'm being baby's cost-effective, but it should be all well drive.
Those tires 👍
That thing is so much more sexier then the type r
2k? I spent 800$ on my Hondata for my Type R.
Dream car
60k car. 2 grand such little gains. I'll stick with gti all day.
As an owner of a white tlx type s on mag blue te37s, i approve of this video.
That 29whp and 30wtq is INSANE POWER? 😂😂😂
For 2k what a rip
Off
Its it worth hondata just will make louder bangs and pops
I stop being a fan of Honda after highschool and after driving a rear wheel drive car for the first time. Can never go back to front wheel drive, Honda should take a lesson from Toyota and Nissan rear wheel drive cars.
2:48 the temp gaugee tho
This looks like a road near lake Isabella
30 more hp would make launching in second gear perfect.
30 more hp, $1800 more 😂...
are u 王自如's cousin?
My fk8 looks better all around. Still looks nice but not satisfied i wouldn't buy. I don't like the cheap bmw dash stereo. Also look how much the steering wheel turns to turn (corner) my type r is minimal and my s2000 as well.