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Just a heads up. There’s a 1 month old account named “pinned by gamer nexus” that’s spamming some BS link. Edit: to clarify. The comment I replied too (this one) is NOT the spam account. I was reading comments and kept seeing a “pinned by GN” replying with a whats app number.
Look, since you guys are not going to like any prebuilts anyway, why not starting a business where you mount and sell your own? You guys certainly have the knowledge to do so and even some contacts in china. Plus, you have the youtube channel to advertise it.
I have the ZS. The less expensive AMD-equipped version of this with the grill intake in place of the glass. Their less expensive prebuilt is better than the more expensive one. I replaced the MOBO, CPU, and added a GPU as I bought it last Summer from someone who bought it just to take out the GPU off of eBay for around $550.00. It runs like a champ after my upgrades. I am running an MSI MAG B500M Mortar Wifi, AMD 3800 XT CPU, 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 CL16 ram, MSi A850GF PSU, and an MSI RTX 3070 Ti Gaming X Trio.
Thank you so much for reviewing this and warning everyone. I bought one of these unfortunately - there were a few limitations to what I could buy, long story. Has a 10700k and RTX 3090. When it arrived, the CPU jumped to 100 C with any task. I took the PC apart and found the "Please Remove Before Install" sticker still on the water cooler block (I have pics...). Took that off, repasted, temps improved, but not great. Found the same problem you found - the BIOS settings were pushing it to maximum clock without fail. Tweaked, temps again improved, but not great. I pulled off the front panel, temps were much better. I contacted MSI and bought the mesh equivalent of the front panel (from the Gungnir 111M or something similar). Temps were finally manageable. Then the computer started crashing consistently during every machine learning or gaming session. Turns out the 750W PSU could not handle the power spikes from the 3090. MSI tried to replace the PSU with the same one - same problem. I got sick of it and replaced it with a much better 1200 W one. After all that, my CPU temps returned to 100C. Realized the water cooler was no longer pushing water. Replaced that... Now I finally have a working computer, months and hundreds of dollars later.
So sorry. I had almost a year of fights with MSI over a motherboard of theirs that I replaced three times, each taking over a month to replace, and the board killing ALL MY OTHER PARTS, before calling it quits and spending over $400 on a new board by Asus. MSI is just a shit company overall and that board was the first and only product I'll ever buy from them.
@@starwinter6845 I bought the tomahawk and it's awesome but I think that was what they made after their terrible motherboard fiasco from an earlier generation
Rookie mistake installing an M.2 heatsink on top of one of those Adata M.2s. They come with an aluminum heatspreader installed from factory (which is very difficult to remove due to an adhesive thermal pad being used), that adds height and most motherboard included heatsinks will crush it even if not tightened all the way. This is worse than just over-tightening, it's reckless and could cost the customer time and money should it kill the part.
Uhh sorry for late reply but i bought a kingston fury renegade ssd and it came with a heat spreader, i removed the spreader and installed a heatsink on it and noticed a nice heat decrease. So did i do a bad thing? The ssd is working perfectly fine though, crystaldiskmark said its reading and writing at 7gb/s so its normal.
It's so baffling that company that actually has enough R&D to manufacture their own hardware couldn't figure out how to assemble few off the shelf parts competently.
IKR? How did they screw it up this badly?! There's apparently nothing wrong with any of the components (except for the case), and many of these components are actually pretty good, and yet somehow they managed to find a way to make the system terrible, and in a way which goes beyond just having bad case ventilation.
Remember MSI is a company of hundreds. With very smart engineers that manufacture these components BUT the guy who built this computer and the guy who did the software setup (sometimes the same) is a poorly paid dude who works in a warehouse all day. Some care about their work quality some don’t just like every company in the world. The important thing is wether or not they fix the issues awesome people like this show the world.
@@jlurenzjr no real way to "fix" these issues unless the person who bought the computer is familiar with tech enough to just nuke all the software and start again new.
@@syncmonism Speaking off cases... I have an NZXT H210i And tzhe front panel is just a solid piece, so I thought it is bad for the temps... but it isn't. It's a mini itx case and i have powerful hardware etc. (and a terrible thermal paste job on the CPU, long story lol) but.... it doesn't matter if the Front panel is on or not. How? Like how does it get enough air? The case in the video has an issue with this, the 210i has literally a solid plate as a front panel. It only can suck in air through two abgout 2.5cm wide stripes next to the intake fans and from the bottom below the front panel since it's completely open there and even made wider, probably to suck in air... Like why does it work? It makes no sense to me, the total area can't be that much larger in my case then in the one in the video?
I'm always amazed by these because you can put parts in a case, leave everything at default never touching the bios or any settings and end up with a perfectly workable computer. Sure that's not optimal but it works, yet here we are.
The new intel chips sometimes come out of the box needing an undervolt at least for my i7 12700k. Very unstable temps so I undervolted slightly and got better performance with normal temps
@@headphonesz6527 that's kinda where I'm at currently I'm looking to finally build a new computer, and well don't laugh but my current computer was my first build which wouldn't be an issue except I built it in like 2013 or so... 2022 still rocking my 4.5ghz i7-2600k, Radeon HD-7950, and 8gb of ddr3 ram. It still plays the games I want to play, and like works, but software is becoming an issue now lol windows 11 doesn't like the hardware, and now that the 12600k came out I feel that it's only appropriate to go from a 2600k to a 12600k
@@waldolemmer "Compress this drive to save space" was the exact wording of this feature in WIndows XP which is what I think he was going for, the question is did anyone actually use it?
@@gp3000000 I am because Acer thought it was acceptable to ship a Windows 10 laptop in 2018 with just THIRTY-TWO GIGABYTES OF STORAGE. I have to do an in-place upgrade with a USB to even update it lmao because it doesn't even have enough space to download the update files
'Unlike Ibuypower they put foam inside'. Having moved at least 20 of these boxes to clients, I never saw a single one that didn't have ample foam protection. The fact they sent YOU guys one without, is stunning to me.
@@cat-.- They've been padding their RDY build and custom builds for years prior to Nexusgamers review. Additionally, I don't doubt they indeed do this - it's not an assumption of them lying, it's just simply so unlike the company standard, and their insurance policy with FedEx.
@@cat-.- I have had my iBuyPower PC for almost a year and it came with foam packing inside but it was something I had to select. You can order the build without foam packing. Likely what happened in this case.
You seriously give clients these monstrosities? How the Hell are you still business? Most customers will let a boo boo or 2 slip through, not 20 of them.
Woah woah woah buddy, "Boil CPU at 100 degrees"? I don't think that's accurate, because you see, I contacted Alienware about a decade ago about a laptop I had which was going at 105-110 degrees, and they assured me that these processors were made for gaming. According to these specialists, it's totally normal for them to be hotter than the boiling point of water.
es normal tener esas temperaturas en una laptop, en un equipo de escritorio no es aceptable debido a que tienes el espacio para poner una refrigeración decente
That's the typical marketing bs for noobs. It's like having the car dealer tell you that you can keep your brand-new car's engine revved at 6000 rpm 24/7, no problem whatsoever.
The really sad thing is, by simply using a case with airflow, correctly installing the SSD, and not adding bloatware, this system would actually make some sense.
I thought that might be the case too, but the thermals remained garbage even with the case opened up. While the bloatware would make the CPU run hotter on low loads I don't think it would effect the torture test's (thermal) results much. The problem is the cooler - the V5 is good at what it does, but it's got a TDP of 150w and a 10700 under load will go past 200w. I think MSI knew the Vetroo was cheap and had a good public image (again, it's great at what it's designed for), so it was an easy marketing move to install it even though it's asking way too much of the poor thing. If you reset the bios, reinstalled the OS, and changed the case out you'd still need to replace the V5 with something that's rated about 100w higher.
That plastic backplate is good for one thing only: Keeping screws and other metal bits from falling onto the GPU unnoticed and causing a short. Or water from a leaky water block connection.
that's not a good excuse, they could easily make a metal backplate for not much more money. even cheap metal like magnesium would be better than plastic.
Would be interesting to add a section in the video called "fixing issues" or maybe make a new playlist of videos called "fixing pre-builts" where you guys show simple things that could fix some of the problems. This would be very useful for people that already bought a pre-built and are looking for ways to try to fix them.
Would be cool if you guys did follow up videos for these prebuilts where you fixed all the shortcomings (keeping the original hardware). Then do a comparison to how it shipped from the factory.
I remember this series starting out as a genuine attempt to find well built prebuilds that are recommendable and not bashing on brebuilds in general. But oh well, I think it turned out to be a disaster for prebuilds in general, since there are so few acceptable or good ones and so many terrible ones.
My Digital Storm pre-built has been phenomenal. 9600k @5ghz all core and a 2070 super overlooked as well, and I hardly break the 60c mark on either of them when doing anything intensive.
It is a truly sad day when a computer component manufacturer does not know how to properly assemble computers from components it manufacturers itself, a very sad, sad, day.
It is not MSI that build them, pretty sure it will be a third party, supplied by Msi. It wouldn't be very feasible to ship PC's from Taiwan. It's still the fault of whatever Msi branch that subs out though. QC and training of the 3rd party is dog turd for sure.
Kudos to GN here. Two years ago I bought a system from Cyberpower and never checked power settings. It was set, just like Steve said, at "savings mode". Changed it to performance mode and Damn, that's the shit right there. Thanks for the education brother, you rock.
I actually purchased an MSI Aegis a while ago during the graphics card shortage of the 30-series, and was overall quite pleased with it. Mine came with the top of the line 3070 that MSI makes the SUPRIM X version. I added a second 1TB SSD from my old system, replaced the 16GB of RAM is came with with 32GB of Corsair Vengeance, and have really only had three complaints, MSI's mystic light software for RGB control should be better, the 240R MSI liquid cooler it came with died after about 2 years due to a recall issue, I simply replaced it with an NH-D15S, and it came with a 2TB hard drive that I didn't really want or need. otherwise all components were actually of quite good quality and well installed, and of all the research I did on the market I think it was the best bang for your buck out of what was available at the time.
i bought an MSI prebuilt in February, it was amazing for about 1 week then couldnt even open a game for more than 10 seconds. after $150 worth of shipping and a few weeks later i finally have a great running pc again, no heat issues, the keyboard is clunky and loud but ok, the mouse i have no complaints about. Overall the RMA process and overall customer service in my experience is very good, in the future ill probably look to build my own, however for people like me that were nervous getting into the PC building hobby i would highly recoomend MSI.
I just bought a MSI prebuilt from Best Buy, it was $1099 on sale for a 5600xt, 6700xt, 16gb c16 3200 , upgraded cooler, b550 mb. It's been a great pc so far. I noticed the memory was at stock clock in bios, so I set it to the 3200, The cpu wasn't over clocked, but I don't blame them for that. I had an extra 140mm Noctua fan laying around I mounted above the CPU cooler. I've had a few 8 hour gaming sessions no over heating issue, no bugs, no crashes. The ONLY noticeable bloat I had was Norton, which kept liking to pop up, till I deleted that. So far I would say I'm happy, and for the price, I would be hard pressed to build one myself for less.
I have this case and the airflow isn't bad. I also did some tests with front cover on/off and found like a 1 degree difference under load. Your test results also showed a bit more than that but still within a reasonable temperature range. The issues with heat seem to be software settings and cpu cooler.
Everyone knows, if you want to make a computer nice and quite, you just have to seal off all the places where air could flow, because that's where sound escapes. lol
Funnily enough, I have the "Ultimate Performance" power plan on my computer, which uses an ASUS board, and it behaves _nothing_ like it does on this MSI system. For one, Task Manager doesn't report CPU utilization at 100% just by copying a file. How MSI set that power plan up is truly bonkers.
I bought an MSI prebuilt last summer (need to upgrade the whole system + GPU shortage) The GPU was throtteling last summer on 4K gaming (thanks to the heatbox case) The CPU started throtteling this winter on Cyberpunk (120mm AIO with the infamous design pump-on-the-rad ...) The M2gen4 ssd was an OEM one, with an obscure firmware (3k read speeed). Fortunately I managed to upgrade it for the 7k read speeds. The 2 ram sticks were laptop ones, with the JEDEC-3200 horrible timings (no XMP of course) The cable management was a joke. Non modular PSU. And the fans were going 100% (thanks MSI, I got a private jet simulator for free !) I've never built a pc before, but I managed to move all the parts to a lian-li o11 dynamic + 6 lian-li daisy chained fans + kraken x73 (9 fans in total) Finally, I cannot hear it and thermals are excellent. The main difficulty was the MSI motherboard (héhé boy ...) Many headers (RGB ones and USB 2) were missing. The manual of this motherboard model was referencing them though. Guess they use some "mutant" motherboard for the prebuilts too... Long story short : - be warry of MSI prebuilts - thanks for all your testing videos : if only I watched your channel before buying
having the intake be so limited may actually induce stress on the fans of the whole system once they kick up and not have enough airflow. I think the best case scenario would be a case with many holes so stuff can breathe easily, and fans never get stressed trying to push air that isnt there, ie negative pressure
@@BA-rh5hy It's been good honestly. The only thing that's been bugging me pretty much since I bought it is the power supply fan sometimes sounds like it's hitting something, but it's usually not bad and I can just ignore it. Otherwise it's been fine! It's perfectly capable of playing modern titles with some settings turned down.
The CPU in my MSI rtx 2070 laptop thermal throttles within 1 minute of gaming. Undervolting with ThrottleStop is a CPU life-saver. First thing I had to do. It's a decent laptop when it isn't overheating. Crazy they can't even get their desktop below 95c. Thanks for the great videos GN team.
seeing pre-builts like this make me glad that my custom build from ibuypower did not have any of these issues. Most surprisingly, no bloatware or ads at all.
The heat load is hilarious, my 2 year old i9-9900KS is still running at 5.03 GHz on all cores/threads and with World of Warships running, as well as 380 Google Chrome tabs open, Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerDirector running a video encode in the background my thermal load rarely breaks 54°, and unlike mu i7-3930k which runs at around 68° this is a amazing difference on the i9-9900KS and I see why it's such a valuable CPU. For this MSI system to run at or near 100° is absolutely 💯 NOT acceptable 🤔 WTF MSI
It’s a shame with the temps and quality control, my first modern prebuilt was an MSI CODEX R 10SC-006US pc and it runs cool ( 25-30C idle) and everything worked (had to change ram speed manually tho) and very solid. i7 10100F , 16gb RAM (XPG D10) and rtx 2060 Ventus XS OC for under $900 right before pandemic, unbeatable deal. Even came with a 500gb ssd and a 1 TB hard drive. Sad a lot of prebuilts theses days are not built to standard.
All I can say is this to everyone at Gamers Nexus thank you so much for putting the time and effort and Research into these videos to show how power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely the last pre-built PC I bought was in 2013 and that lasted me up until roughly 2017 but luckily I was able to swap out the hard drive and a couple of other things to keep it running and it finally died permanently and 2019 but by then I had already been doing research on building my own computer if it wasn't for specifically Gamers Nexus and jayz2cents I probably would have bought another pre-built computer but because I wanted to do it myself I took my time I learned how to do it I learned all of the technical aspects of building a computer and pairing certain parts with other parts to make sure that I was getting the best price-to-performance and I wasn't creating bottlenecks and because of J I actually built my first computer with a full custom water-cooled Loop I've done the best I can by showing my appreciation by buying your mouse pads the ones that you had signed with a gentleman that you did a live stream with I can't remember his name right now off the top of my head and I also bought your one millions of t-shirt I want to get my hands on your modmat and toolkit but they're always but they're always out of stock dammit okay this, it's been long enough but I just wanted to put my appreciation out there for everything that you guys do thank you so much.
First I wanted to say that the front panel is actually glass and metal and not glass and plastic on this case. I guess it is also possible that the shelf component/ standalone version of the case has a metal facade on the front and the prebuilt system version has a plastic facade like they do with GPU backplates. That being said it is still a horrible case so it makes little difference, but I thought it was worth mentioning for arguments sake. I used that MSI case for my custom build. The LED reset/control button on the front panel caused the JRAINBOW1 connector on my board to short. This was on a z490 GODLIKE board. For the longest time I didn't even know what was wrong with my system, because my system would take about 4 minutes to boot on a 10900k, 3090, and nvme. The post code would sit on A2 (IDE Detect) for almost that entire time, before finally booting into windows and functioning perfectly fine. I eventually found out that my onboard LEDs were bugged, most likely caused by that garbage fan/ LED controller that came with the case. Simpily flipping the onboard LED switch to the off position, booting my system, powering off my system, and turning the LED switch back to the on position completely fixed the issue. I found many people with the A2 post code/ long boot issue, but no one realized that it was linked to the onboard LEDs being bugged. This is because the issue just caused an extremely slow post, thus making the OBD display A2 for a while, even though the issue was not related to the A2 code at all. Rather, the A2 code being displayed for a long time was solely caused by the slow boot process making the code appear for too long, and was not reflective of an IDE error itself. As someone with an advanced, but not expert level knowledge of PC systems, this was extremely difficult to diagnose and almost led to me RMAing the board. All of the articles related to the LED issue had no mention of slow booting, and all of the articles related to the A2/ long boot issue had no mention of the LED issue. Very frustrating and all caused by a cheap, clunky fan and LED controller. In any case (pun intended) it's fixed now and I wont be buying RGB on my next build.
The protective film fake-out was SAVAGE. I honestly would not have thought I would even care... but it was like looking down to see a mortal wound left by unsuspected betrayal. Wow. ha!
That backplate does do something useful. I've long suspected that the real reason video card vendors include those is to protect the back of the card from mechanical damage. If I had to guess, I'd say that the cost of including it is probably less than the cost of dealing with an RMA, even when they deny warranty coverage because the user knocked some SMDs off.
When it comes to cooling I find that I can't judge a case so easily until it's built and tested. The Ibuypower PC I have had little to no intake space, I thought temps would surely get into the 80s, it never goes above the mid 70s under high load.
Keep it up I bought pre builds only for a template and I always wonder how I can’t get a job in computers when I buy a pre build fixing all the mistakes they do. So sad
Just got mine from Costco's for $1300 + Tax about 3 weeks ago. And it's an amazing machine! I use it for Photoshop Lightroom, Ableton Live, Autocad, Sketchup, Guitar Rig and various other graphics and music editing software. So glad I got this machine for the cost you just can't beat it. It performs flawlessly. Don't listen to the negativity, sure you can build your own, but not for the same price. Plus I don't have time to learn all the ins and out on hardware this hardware that.... I needed something with high performance that plugs in and its ready to go, and this machine provided just that. Next test, VR.
Always a good video when a pre-built manufacturing company sees a rival (in this case HP) make a terrible computer, and goes, "I can do you one better." xD That poor little CPU has been gaslit into thinking it has to run at full-tilt, all the time, while wearing a mask and 10-pound weights on its ankles. Hopefully it, and the SSD, can get some therapy. I was very glad to hear you'll try to reunite those RAM sticks with their family. Tech Jesus never fails to come through. Thanks, Steve. -Nice edit at --27:24-- btw.-
I have a case with similar airflow capabilities. It's an Azza Apollo 430. I put two 140mm fans on the top, and there's one 120mm fan in the back for exhaust. I'm using Wraith Prism stock cooler and end up with 88-89°C temperatures at 100% load on my Ryzen 7 3700x. This is the first pc i have built myself, and i somehow did better than a professional pc builder... Which is find freaking hilarious! And thanks to that 'Power Option' section of the video, i now know how to limit the load on my CPU, because i prefer never to max out my hardware for the sake of longevity.
About a month ago, before I found this channel, I bought one of these to replace my pc which unexpectedly crapped out after 2 year. I got it, updated the bios and drivers, left the room for 30 minutes, and came back to find the PC off. Let it run again and watched it. After 15 minutes, the pc turned off, and the fans went 100%. Booted it again, ran the temp monitors, and watched as the CPU at 'idle' slowly heated up from 38 degrees to 70 degrees with no fans engaging, before the system tripped and the fans went 100%. Shipped it back for a refund 45 minutes after that. Total garbage.
Honestly this pc is one of the better options in my opinion. Alot of the fuckups are easily fixable. All of the parts are off the shelf, and the parts actually decent quality which is way more then most pre builts can say. So now all you gotta do is a fresh install of windows, take off the front panel, and make sure all the power and bios settings are normal, and boom you got a pretty decent pc.
The horrible power management settings on the motherboard and Windows power configuration combined with a cooler that isn't powerful enough for the cpu it was paired with mainly.
I’m an Ignorant console gamer who spent $2300 on this pre built 2 years ago (the aegis that came with i7 and 3070). It was ok for 2 years then the liquid cooler stopped working and my cpu went to 100 degrees. I am replacing the liquid cooler with a Corsair h60x but I don’t think it is enough to save this garbage pre built. What a waste of money. I need to learn how to build my own.
My wife bought me the msi Aegis r2 from Costco online. Its good so far. I hope it doesn't fry my cpu or anything else for that matter. I really hope that they worked on it since this video. I just got it like almost 4 days ago or something like that. It was 1500 dollars. We went back to Costco and it was going for 1700.
This video inspired me to loosen the screws on my M.2 heatsink, because I realised it was bending in the same way due to the thermal pad, and I figured I should make it "tight-ish" on installation. The build is like 3 days old but I really wish the SSD had a full screw hole to minimise this instead of the half screw holes we get now.
About that SSD: Ive noticed sometimes with M.2 SSDs that are bent there is a chance for random blue screens. Of course it will vary model to model, and where the bend is that will affect things. But it ain't a good look if from the factory a PC has potential for such issues.
With all the reviews and videos like this one literally SHOWING the issues and outlining possible fixes you would think these companies would listen but in reality it's "Oh yeah that - we never listen. Buyeeee" and just keep pumping out these systems. There are those of us who remember brand loyalty but how can you be loyal to situations and products like this?
At my old job we used to say if you don't give something a torque spec the techs will screw to either "red tight" or "blue tight." Red tight means tighten until you're red in the face, blue tight means you tighten until you're blue in the face. Looks like that SSD was blue tight.
around the same time as this video dropped, I bought a MSI Aegies ZS from Costco with AMD 5800X, and a 3060 ti, with an AIO, that just failed, and temps were hitting 100C - glad I learned how to monitor temps - and had to RMA it... when I talked with them, they were responsive, and encouraged me to only send the AIO if I could, as sending entire PC from my location to COI in CA would have set me back about 400 bucks... so I appreciate that. let's see what they send in replacement. they no longer sell the 120mm AIO, and the bigger brothers both got recalled.... // ALSO, i was able to order just the front panel with the mesh (shortly after the parts guy said they don't do that anymore) - but first they sent me a panel for the Codex (wrong machine entireley) - so all in all, a less than spectacular experience. we'll see about the next PC I bring into my life... I have a feeling I'll be building it on my own.
I want to see drake do more industrial just because I think it's interesting to see different manufacturers approach to the same problem, like how will an Argo salvage differ etc
I bought 1 prebuilt/build your own pc from CLX before i knew how to build my own. Looking back now i still have that PC and they honestly did a really good job. Only fault was they gave me the wrong case but they gave me a free mechanical keyboard with cherry keys as compensation and the case they gave me was actually better than the one i wanted. You guys should do CLX review sometime
Last week a friend asked me to help him with the Lenovo Legion he bought. What I saw there almost made me blind. 1x 80 mm fan, cheapest possible cooler on a cpu, all parts 'Lenovo standard'. The case is fully locked Glass box without any ventilation. 3060 blower card that sounds like a f16. In bios the CPU was at 67, when any load applied he instantly reached 92 and than he dropped the clocks. Nothing i could do there without breaking the warranty. Advised him to reach support and RMA. They said 92 is fine and clocks are dynamic so its all fine. Seriously. They rejected that. No words.
I built my first PC a few months ago and it runs really well I have a 5900X that has a 4.8Ghrz all core overclock and in a heavy gaming session it has never went over 70C. I also have a 6600XT that hasn't went over 70C too in a gaming session. It's sad how alot of times a new computer builder can pick better parts for thermals than a massive company.
Actually, I have this Gungnir 110R case with 4080 and 5800X3D inside and Im super happy with the temps. With 21C ambient, both cpu and gpu sitting about 70c in games (Arctic 240 liquid cooler). Airflow is suprisingly good through that brick at front ;)
I can’t believe the price on this, our lab ordered an Aegis a few months ago with an 11700k with 240mm AIO and 3070ti for the same price you guys paid for this.
It's amazing that back in the early to mid 2000s all those modded PCS that we built ourselves some with very little ventilation, watercooling was in its infancy and PC manufacturing through Alienware was at its peak you never ever heard about these kind of problems. And this goes down from the PC builders/manufacturer all the way to the parts manufacturer the lack of care and quality and a lot of times just downright disrespect to the customers just astounds me at the prices they charge these days.
I bought one of these with an i7 10700kf, 2080 super, and an AIO back around 2021 I think. It's been a great PC for someone getting into computers, I got to learn how to replace a lot of parts. AIO failed, the 2080 failed, and the ram failed within 2 years. My xmp was also not enabled. It's easy to fix though and at the time I bought it I got a great deal considering graphics cards were hard to find back then. This review is over the top as always but yeah these weren't the best systems out there.
A couple months ago my friend bought a MSI Aegis ZS Gaming Desktop computer and couldn't get it to turn on. Damn thing didn't have a switch on the power supply. She exchanged it for a new one *three* times. Each PC had the same problem. She ended up just returning the last one and getting an iBUYPOWER prebuilt.
Got an I7, rtx3070, really good case for cooling, 16gb ram, pretty decent cpu cooler, power supply and motherboard. 1700$. It was a prebuilt. I couldn’t be more happier with it. “Just build it dude” yeah, because I’m totally gonna find a 3070 for $500. No. It’s entirely cheaper to buy a prebuilt. Just do your research, and get one that is going to be good. Do your research. I got mine from new egg, and as much shit as they get, I couldn’t be happier with my PC, and it’s a total beast, destroying any game I throw at it, max settings, 32in 1440p monitor
Daisychain PCI-E solution, is okay up to 300W, as long as the AWG is specified to handle 25 Amps (@12V). it is on high quality PSU's. But some use AWG, that is specced to handle 16-18 Amps (200-225W max). Some lower powered units has a multiple rail config, which has maybe a 18A limitation on the 12V that feed the PCI-E cable. Which is more safe. Better to have a PSU shutting off, than the risk of cable melting. The PSU used here, is Delta. They overall make excellent PSUs. Even with medium quality parts, they build them to last, because they build them properly. Should be dimensined properly according to rail power.
This is actually my PC case, 3700X with 280 AIO, the temperature is okay, around 35-41 C for daily use. The airflow is mainly goes from the bottom of the front case, it is not as bad as you thought.
Steve: Look at this one millimeter slit, and that's it for front panel ventilation. Steve one minute later: Oh also there are rows of vents on the sides of the front panel. And oh also there are vents on the top and bottom. This video had a ton of complaining about the front panel but at the end of the day it looks like removing it entirely resulted in pretty much the same CPU temperatures and a drop of only a few degrees for the GPU. *shrug*
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Just a heads up. There’s a 1 month old account named “pinned by gamer nexus” that’s spamming some BS link.
Edit: to clarify. The comment I replied too (this one) is NOT the spam account. I was reading comments and kept seeing a “pinned by GN” replying with a whats app number.
Look, since you guys are not going to like any prebuilts anyway, why not starting a business where you mount and sell your own? You guys certainly have the knowledge to do so and even some contacts in china. Plus, you have the youtube channel to advertise it.
I have the ZS. The less expensive AMD-equipped version of this with the grill intake in place of the glass. Their less expensive prebuilt is better than the more expensive one. I replaced the MOBO, CPU, and added a GPU as I bought it last Summer from someone who bought it just to take out the GPU off of eBay for around $550.00. It runs like a champ after my upgrades. I am running an MSI MAG B500M Mortar Wifi, AMD 3800 XT CPU, 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 CL16 ram, MSi A850GF PSU, and an MSI RTX 3070 Ti Gaming X Trio.
I love the peel bait
Thank you so much for reviewing this and warning everyone. I bought one of these unfortunately - there were a few limitations to what I could buy, long story. Has a 10700k and RTX 3090. When it arrived, the CPU jumped to 100 C with any task. I took the PC apart and found the "Please Remove Before Install" sticker still on the water cooler block (I have pics...). Took that off, repasted, temps improved, but not great. Found the same problem you found - the BIOS settings were pushing it to maximum clock without fail. Tweaked, temps again improved, but not great. I pulled off the front panel, temps were much better. I contacted MSI and bought the mesh equivalent of the front panel (from the Gungnir 111M or something similar). Temps were finally manageable. Then the computer started crashing consistently during every machine learning or gaming session. Turns out the 750W PSU could not handle the power spikes from the 3090. MSI tried to replace the PSU with the same one - same problem. I got sick of it and replaced it with a much better 1200 W one. After all that, my CPU temps returned to 100C. Realized the water cooler was no longer pushing water. Replaced that... Now I finally have a working computer, months and hundreds of dollars later.
Jesus christ.
So sorry. I had almost a year of fights with MSI over a motherboard of theirs that I replaced three times, each taking over a month to replace, and the board killing ALL MY OTHER PARTS, before calling it quits and spending over $400 on a new board by Asus. MSI is just a shit company overall and that board was the first and only product I'll ever buy from them.
@@starwinter6845 I have a B450 TOMAHAWK good thing it didn't ever act up (I have this machine for like a year, DIY)
God bless your patience lmao
@@starwinter6845 I bought the tomahawk and it's awesome but I think that was what they made after their terrible motherboard fiasco from an earlier generation
Rookie mistake installing an M.2 heatsink on top of one of those Adata M.2s.
They come with an aluminum heatspreader installed from factory (which is very difficult to remove due to an adhesive thermal pad being used), that adds height and most motherboard included heatsinks will crush it even if not tightened all the way.
This is worse than just over-tightening, it's reckless and could cost the customer time and money should it kill the part.
Not to mention lost data.
I got that PC are you saying I should remove the heatsink?
Uhh sorry for late reply but i bought a kingston fury renegade ssd and it came with a heat spreader, i removed the spreader and installed a heatsink on it and noticed a nice heat decrease. So did i do a bad thing? The ssd is working perfectly fine though, crystaldiskmark said its reading and writing at 7gb/s so its normal.
It's so baffling that company that actually has enough R&D to manufacture their own hardware couldn't figure out how to assemble few off the shelf parts competently.
IKR? How did they screw it up this badly?! There's apparently nothing wrong with any of the components (except for the case), and many of these components are actually pretty good, and yet somehow they managed to find a way to make the system terrible, and in a way which goes beyond just having bad case ventilation.
I think they make these to get rid of old stock
Remember MSI is a company of hundreds. With very smart engineers that manufacture these components BUT the guy who built this computer and the guy who did the software setup (sometimes the same) is a poorly paid dude who works in a warehouse all day. Some care about their work quality some don’t just like every company in the world. The important thing is wether or not they fix the issues awesome people like this show the world.
@@jlurenzjr no real way to "fix" these issues unless the person who bought the computer is familiar with tech enough to just nuke all the software and start again new.
@@syncmonism Speaking off cases...
I have an NZXT H210i
And tzhe front panel is just a solid piece, so I thought it is bad for the temps... but it isn't.
It's a mini itx case and i have powerful hardware etc. (and a terrible thermal paste job on the CPU, long story lol) but.... it doesn't matter if the Front panel is on or not.
How? Like how does it get enough air? The case in the video has an issue with this, the 210i has literally a solid plate as a front panel. It only can suck in air through two abgout 2.5cm wide stripes next to the intake fans and from the bottom below the front panel since it's completely open there and even made wider, probably to suck in air...
Like why does it work? It makes no sense to me, the total area can't be that much larger in my case then in the one in the video?
I'm always amazed by these because you can put parts in a case, leave everything at default never touching the bios or any settings and end up with a perfectly workable computer. Sure that's not optimal but it works, yet here we are.
The new intel chips sometimes come out of the box needing an undervolt at least for my i7 12700k. Very unstable temps so I undervolted slightly and got better performance with normal temps
Exactly! I used to overclock from like 2006-12, but when I got my 8 core cpu ddr4 ram, pcie4 ssd and GPU in 2019, I saw no reason to overclock
@@headphonesz6527 that's kinda where I'm at currently I'm looking to finally build a new computer, and well don't laugh but my current computer was my first build which wouldn't be an issue except I built it in like 2013 or so...
2022 still rocking my 4.5ghz i7-2600k, Radeon HD-7950, and 8gb of ddr3 ram.
It still plays the games I want to play, and like works, but software is becoming an issue now lol windows 11 doesn't like the hardware, and now that the 12600k came out I feel that it's only appropriate to go from a 2600k to a 12600k
Just enable expo and leave it at that
MSI took "Compress this drive to save space" to a new level!
> MSI took disk compression to a new level
I think that's a funnier way to word it, just a suggestion
@@waldolemmer "Compress this drive to save space" was the exact wording of this feature in WIndows XP which is what I think he was going for, the question is did anyone actually use it?
@@gp3000000 It works great for storage drives (Meaning less used drives).
@@tommymoore9443 Unfortunately, basically everything I'd ever want to store is already in a compressed format so that does nothing but slow it down.
@@gp3000000 I am because Acer thought it was acceptable to ship a Windows 10 laptop in 2018 with just THIRTY-TWO GIGABYTES OF STORAGE.
I have to do an in-place upgrade with a USB to even update it lmao because it doesn't even have enough space to download the update files
'Unlike Ibuypower they put foam inside'. Having moved at least 20 of these boxes to clients, I never saw a single one that didn't have ample foam protection. The fact they sent YOU guys one without, is stunning to me.
Maybe they stared doing it after being called out in public
@@cat-.- They've been padding their RDY build and custom builds for years prior to Nexusgamers review. Additionally, I don't doubt they indeed do this - it's not an assumption of them lying, it's just simply so unlike the company standard, and their insurance policy with FedEx.
@@cat-.- I have had my iBuyPower PC for almost a year and it came with foam packing inside but it was something I had to select. You can order the build without foam packing. Likely what happened in this case.
I believe GN purchases these anonymously
You seriously give clients these monstrosities? How the Hell are you still business? Most customers will let a boo boo or 2 slip through, not 20 of them.
Woah woah woah buddy, "Boil CPU at 100 degrees"? I don't think that's accurate, because you see, I contacted Alienware about a decade ago about a laptop I had which was going at 105-110 degrees, and they assured me that these processors were made for gaming. According to these specialists, it's totally normal for them to be hotter than the boiling point of water.
Well it's alien tech, their water boils at higher temps.
es normal tener esas temperaturas en una laptop, en un equipo de escritorio no es aceptable debido a que tienes el espacio para poner una refrigeración decente
That's the typical marketing bs for noobs. It's like having the car dealer tell you that you can keep your brand-new car's engine revved at 6000 rpm 24/7, no problem whatsoever.
laptops can handle higher temperatures than desktops, they're designed for it
@@StevenMussels Mostly because they are not upgradeable, so you won't even notice its shorter lifespan compared to a desktop.
The really sad thing is, by simply using a case with airflow, correctly installing the SSD, and not adding bloatware, this system would actually make some sense.
I thought that might be the case too, but the thermals remained garbage even with the case opened up. While the bloatware would make the CPU run hotter on low loads I don't think it would effect the torture test's (thermal) results much. The problem is the cooler - the V5 is good at what it does, but it's got a TDP of 150w and a 10700 under load will go past 200w.
I think MSI knew the Vetroo was cheap and had a good public image (again, it's great at what it's designed for), so it was an easy marketing move to install it even though it's asking way too much of the poor thing. If you reset the bios, reinstalled the OS, and changed the case out you'd still need to replace the V5 with something that's rated about 100w higher.
@@candorcore3502 True. That cooler is being pushed to or past its limits for sure. Def agree with your assessment on why they went with it anyways.
With a 2060? For $1,750? Why would you use such a low end card in such an expensive system?
@@anakinlowground5515 Didn't say it would be a good deal. Also GPU prices have only recently gone way down.
@@802Garage Fair enough.
That plastic backplate is good for one thing only: Keeping screws and other metal bits from falling onto the GPU unnoticed and causing a short. Or water from a leaky water block connection.
that's not a good excuse, they could easily make a metal backplate for not much more money. even cheap metal like magnesium would be better than plastic.
Would be interesting to add a section in the video called "fixing issues" or maybe make a new playlist of videos called "fixing pre-builts" where you guys show simple things that could fix some of the problems. This would be very useful for people that already bought a pre-built and are looking for ways to try to fix them.
I will imagine anyone who is capable of fixing the issues will instead just build the system themselves
Would be cool if you guys did follow up videos for these prebuilts where you fixed all the shortcomings (keeping the original hardware). Then do a comparison to how it shipped from the factory.
I remember this series starting out as a genuine attempt to find well built prebuilds that are recommendable and not bashing on brebuilds in general. But oh well, I think it turned out to be a disaster for prebuilds in general, since there are so few acceptable or good ones and so many terrible ones.
My Digital Storm pre-built has been phenomenal. 9600k @5ghz all core and a 2070 super overlooked as well, and I hardly break the 60c mark on either of them when doing anything intensive.
Exactly. Used to be finding the good. Now it's finding the bad, so the good stands out. Same goal different approach.
It is a truly sad day when a computer component manufacturer does not know how to properly assemble computers from components it manufacturers itself, a very sad, sad, day.
It is not MSI that build them, pretty sure it will be a third party, supplied by Msi. It wouldn't be very feasible to ship PC's from Taiwan. It's still the fault of whatever Msi branch that subs out though. QC and training of the 3rd party is dog turd for sure.
The plastic removal tease reminded me of why I respect and love Steve so much.
I absolutely love watching these reviews on the Skytech Chronos with a 3900x and 3080 I got as an open box deal for $1799... thank you so much Steve
Kudos to GN here.
Two years ago I bought a system from Cyberpower and never checked power settings.
It was set, just like Steve said, at "savings mode".
Changed it to performance mode and Damn, that's the shit right there.
Thanks for the education brother, you rock.
I actually purchased an MSI Aegis a while ago during the graphics card shortage of the 30-series, and was overall quite pleased with it. Mine came with the top of the line 3070 that MSI makes the SUPRIM X version. I added a second 1TB SSD from my old system, replaced the 16GB of RAM is came with with 32GB of Corsair Vengeance, and have really only had three complaints, MSI's mystic light software for RGB control should be better, the 240R MSI liquid cooler it came with died after about 2 years due to a recall issue, I simply replaced it with an NH-D15S, and it came with a 2TB hard drive that I didn't really want or need. otherwise all components were actually of quite good quality and well installed, and of all the research I did on the market I think it was the best bang for your buck out of what was available at the time.
i bought an MSI prebuilt in February, it was amazing for about 1 week then couldnt even open a game for more than 10 seconds. after $150 worth of shipping and a few weeks later i finally have a great running pc again, no heat issues, the keyboard is clunky and loud but ok, the mouse i have no complaints about. Overall the RMA process and overall customer service in my experience is very good, in the future ill probably look to build my own, however for people like me that were nervous getting into the PC building hobby i would highly recoomend MSI.
Are you okay? Dont recommend MSI!
@@morpheus_9 yeah the product was faulty but they did everything to fix it so in the end I’m happy with it even with the minor inconvenience
It should've been built properly in the first place!
I just bought a MSI prebuilt from Best Buy, it was $1099 on sale for a 5600xt, 6700xt, 16gb c16 3200 , upgraded cooler, b550 mb. It's been a great pc so far. I noticed the memory was at stock clock in bios, so I set it to the 3200, The cpu wasn't over clocked, but I don't blame them for that. I had an extra 140mm Noctua fan laying around I mounted above the CPU cooler. I've had a few 8 hour gaming sessions no over heating issue, no bugs, no crashes. The ONLY noticeable bloat I had was Norton, which kept liking to pop up, till I deleted that. So far I would say I'm happy, and for the price, I would be hard pressed to build one myself for less.
I have this case and the airflow isn't bad. I also did some tests with front cover on/off and found like a 1 degree difference under load. Your test results also showed a bit more than that but still within a reasonable temperature range. The issues with heat seem to be software settings and cpu cooler.
What CPU GPU are you using ?
same here. 5700x 6800 xt. its a few degrees difference for me
Everyone knows, if you want to make a computer nice and quite, you just have to seal off all the places where air could flow, because that's where sound escapes. lol
that's not quite how quiet works
lol
I literally just said last year that MSI needs to make proper airflow cases because of this issue.
Funnily enough, I have the "Ultimate Performance" power plan on my computer, which uses an ASUS board, and it behaves _nothing_ like it does on this MSI system. For one, Task Manager doesn't report CPU utilization at 100% just by copying a file. How MSI set that power plan up is truly bonkers.
Because your motherboard has zero influence on power plans. They are windows power plans. They just took an existing power plan and edited it.
I bought an MSI prebuilt last summer (need to upgrade the whole system + GPU shortage)
The GPU was throtteling last summer on 4K gaming (thanks to the heatbox case)
The CPU started throtteling this winter on Cyberpunk (120mm AIO with the infamous design pump-on-the-rad ...)
The M2gen4 ssd was an OEM one, with an obscure firmware (3k read speeed). Fortunately I managed to upgrade it for the 7k read speeds.
The 2 ram sticks were laptop ones, with the JEDEC-3200 horrible timings (no XMP of course)
The cable management was a joke. Non modular PSU.
And the fans were going 100% (thanks MSI, I got a private jet simulator for free !)
I've never built a pc before, but I managed to move all the parts to a lian-li o11 dynamic + 6 lian-li daisy chained fans + kraken x73 (9 fans in total)
Finally, I cannot hear it and thermals are excellent.
The main difficulty was the MSI motherboard (héhé boy ...) Many headers (RGB ones and USB 2) were missing. The manual of this motherboard model was referencing them though. Guess they use some "mutant" motherboard for the prebuilts too...
Long story short :
- be warry of MSI prebuilts
- thanks for all your testing videos : if only I watched your channel before buying
having the intake be so limited may actually induce stress on the fans of the whole system once they kick up and not have enough airflow. I think the best case scenario would be a case with many holes so stuff can breathe easily, and fans never get stressed trying to push air that isnt there, ie negative pressure
Yep, things are quieter and more stable if they can just get the air they need
The first thing I did when I bought my MSI Aegis R (3060, 10700f) was do a fresh install of Windows. Haven’t had a problem with it since.
How do you like your computer so far? I'm on the fence of buying it
@@BA-rh5hy It's been good honestly. The only thing that's been bugging me pretty much since I bought it is the power supply fan sometimes sounds like it's hitting something, but it's usually not bad and I can just ignore it. Otherwise it's been fine! It's perfectly capable of playing modern titles with some settings turned down.
@@samdajellybeenie14 awesome, ty for the heads up. I just picked one up tonight and going to start with a fresh install of windows 11.
@@BA-rh5hy Nice, have fun!
The CPU in my MSI rtx 2070 laptop thermal throttles within 1 minute of gaming. Undervolting with ThrottleStop is a CPU life-saver. First thing I had to do. It's a decent laptop when it isn't overheating.
Crazy they can't even get their desktop below 95c.
Thanks for the great videos GN team.
seeing pre-builts like this make me glad that my custom build from ibuypower did not have any of these issues. Most surprisingly, no bloatware or ads at all.
The heat load is hilarious, my 2 year old i9-9900KS is still running at 5.03 GHz on all cores/threads and with World of Warships running, as well as 380 Google Chrome tabs open, Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerDirector running a video encode in the background my thermal load rarely breaks 54°, and unlike mu i7-3930k which runs at around 68° this is a amazing difference on the i9-9900KS and I see why it's such a valuable CPU.
For this MSI system to run at or near 100° is absolutely 💯 NOT acceptable 🤔 WTF MSI
It’s a shame with the temps and quality control, my first modern prebuilt was an MSI CODEX R 10SC-006US pc and it runs cool ( 25-30C idle) and everything worked (had to change ram speed manually tho) and very solid. i7 10100F , 16gb RAM (XPG D10) and rtx 2060 Ventus XS OC for under $900 right before pandemic, unbeatable deal. Even came with a 500gb ssd and a 1 TB hard drive. Sad a lot of prebuilts theses days are not built to standard.
Whenever I'm frustrated with a build, I watch one of these pre-build reviews and I feel all better.
I love watching these. Steve being calmly irritated as he's describing how bad something is, cracks me up every time! 🤣
Computer and grill all in one? Awesome. I always wanted to game and cook burgers at the same time.
All I can say is this to everyone at Gamers Nexus thank you so much for putting the time and effort and Research into these videos to show how power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely the last pre-built PC I bought was in 2013 and that lasted me up until roughly 2017 but luckily I was able to swap out the hard drive and a couple of other things to keep it running and it finally died permanently and 2019 but by then I had already been doing research on building my own computer if it wasn't for specifically Gamers Nexus and jayz2cents I probably would have bought another pre-built computer but because I wanted to do it myself I took my time I learned how to do it I learned all of the technical aspects of building a computer and pairing certain parts with other parts to make sure that I was getting the best price-to-performance and I wasn't creating bottlenecks and because of J I actually built my first computer with a full custom water-cooled Loop I've done the best I can by showing my appreciation by buying your mouse pads the ones that you had signed with a gentleman that you did a live stream with I can't remember his name right now off the top of my head and I also bought your one millions of t-shirt I want to get my hands on your modmat and toolkit but they're always but they're always out of stock dammit okay this, it's been long enough but I just wanted to put my appreciation out there for everything that you guys do thank you so much.
damn thats a long sentence
First I wanted to say that the front panel is actually glass and metal and not glass and plastic on this case. I guess it is also possible that the shelf component/ standalone version of the case has a metal facade on the front and the prebuilt system version has a plastic facade like they do with GPU backplates. That being said it is still a horrible case so it makes little difference, but I thought it was worth mentioning for arguments sake.
I used that MSI case for my custom build. The LED reset/control button on the front panel caused the JRAINBOW1 connector on my board to short. This was on a z490 GODLIKE board. For the longest time I didn't even know what was wrong with my system, because my system would take about 4 minutes to boot on a 10900k, 3090, and nvme. The post code would sit on A2 (IDE Detect) for almost that entire time, before finally booting into windows and functioning perfectly fine. I eventually found out that my onboard LEDs were bugged, most likely caused by that garbage fan/ LED controller that came with the case. Simpily flipping the onboard LED switch to the off position, booting my system, powering off my system, and turning the LED switch back to the on position completely fixed the issue. I found many people with the A2 post code/ long boot issue, but no one realized that it was linked to the onboard LEDs being bugged. This is because the issue just caused an extremely slow post, thus making the OBD display A2 for a while, even though the issue was not related to the A2 code at all. Rather, the A2 code being displayed for a long time was solely caused by the slow boot process making the code appear for too long, and was not reflective of an IDE error itself. As someone with an advanced, but not expert level knowledge of PC systems, this was extremely difficult to diagnose and almost led to me RMAing the board. All of the articles related to the LED issue had no mention of slow booting, and all of the articles related to the A2/ long boot issue had no mention of the LED issue. Very frustrating and all caused by a cheap, clunky fan and LED controller. In any case (pun intended) it's fixed now and I wont be buying RGB on my next build.
Steve, please don't EVER change!
Best channel when it comes to computer hardware. Thanks!
The protective film fake-out was SAVAGE.
I honestly would not have thought I would even care... but it was like looking down to see a mortal wound left by unsuspected betrayal. Wow. ha!
The peel tease was so Steve.
It had me laughing.
That backplate does do something useful. I've long suspected that the real reason video card vendors include those is to protect the back of the card from mechanical damage. If I had to guess, I'd say that the cost of including it is probably less than the cost of dealing with an RMA, even when they deny warranty coverage because the user knocked some SMDs off.
He said the reason this backplate is bad is because it's plastic and not metal and plastic is an insulator
Really like this kind of content. I don't want to see videos about good prebuilds I just like to see how bad big companies can f**k up building pcs
And people say these OEM companies have improved..... im gonna need some proof on that..
When it comes to cooling I find that I can't judge a case so easily until it's built and tested. The Ibuypower PC I have had little to no intake space, I thought temps would surely get into the 80s, it never goes above the mid 70s under high load.
Have you tried stress testing and benchmarks or is that 70 just light gaming with a GPU bottleneck?
See, its not about the case, its about fan intake vs outake (positive, neutral or negative pressure).
Keep it up I bought pre builds only for a template and I always wonder how I can’t get a job in computers when I buy a pre build fixing all the mistakes they do. So sad
Just got mine from Costco's for $1300 + Tax about 3 weeks ago. And it's an amazing machine! I use it for Photoshop Lightroom, Ableton Live, Autocad, Sketchup, Guitar Rig and various other graphics and music editing software. So glad I got this machine for the cost you just can't beat it. It performs flawlessly. Don't listen to the negativity, sure you can build your own, but not for the same price. Plus I don't have time to learn all the ins and out on hardware this hardware that.... I needed something with high performance that plugs in and its ready to go, and this machine provided just that. Next test, VR.
This review is from 2022, the cases are pretty different now. Way more airflow in the front.
@@McLort Do we know if other issues are better?
@@VangaurdTDS I ended up building one through ibuypower instead about a month ago. Absolutely love it. Picked every part.
Wait. Do you test prebuilts or was this a random youtube algorithm? I love this.
Always a good video when a pre-built manufacturing company sees a rival (in this case HP) make a terrible computer, and goes, "I can do you one better." xD
That poor little CPU has been gaslit into thinking it has to run at full-tilt, all the time, while wearing a mask and 10-pound weights on its ankles. Hopefully it, and the SSD, can get some therapy. I was very glad to hear you'll try to reunite those RAM sticks with their family. Tech Jesus never fails to come through. Thanks, Steve.
-Nice edit at --27:24-- btw.-
MSI really loves you guys even more now lol. I'm surprised they didn't contact you guys about not releasing this video lol.
I have a case with similar airflow capabilities. It's an Azza Apollo 430.
I put two 140mm fans on the top, and there's one 120mm fan in the back for exhaust.
I'm using Wraith Prism stock cooler and end up with 88-89°C temperatures at 100% load on my Ryzen 7 3700x.
This is the first pc i have built myself, and i somehow did better than a professional pc builder... Which is find freaking hilarious!
And thanks to that 'Power Option' section of the video, i now know how to limit the load on my CPU, because i prefer never to max out my hardware for the sake of longevity.
DAMN IT Steve. I wanted to see that plastic come off!
Just bought this from Costco days ago.looked like a dope setup,now it is back at Costco.
Thank you for saving me from my ignorance!
I've literally never had a good experience with an MSI component of any sort.
The mesh portion behind the front solid plastic is hilarious
I love it when Steve just goes scorched earth on pc reviews
About a month ago, before I found this channel, I bought one of these to replace my pc which unexpectedly crapped out after 2 year. I got it, updated the bios and drivers, left the room for 30 minutes, and came back to find the PC off. Let it run again and watched it. After 15 minutes, the pc turned off, and the fans went 100%. Booted it again, ran the temp monitors, and watched as the CPU at 'idle' slowly heated up from 38 degrees to 70 degrees with no fans engaging, before the system tripped and the fans went 100%. Shipped it back for a refund 45 minutes after that. Total garbage.
Steve's hair keeps getting lighter and lighter with every pre-built roast video. At this rate, he'll look like Rayden by 2030. 😀
Honestly this pc is one of the better options in my opinion. Alot of the fuckups are easily fixable. All of the parts are off the shelf, and the parts actually decent quality which is way more then most pre builts can say. So now all you gotta do is a fresh install of windows, take off the front panel, and make sure all the power and bios settings are normal, and boom you got a pretty decent pc.
I'm confused. Why were CPU temps so bad even after removing the front panel and maxing fans?
The horrible power management settings on the motherboard and Windows power configuration combined with a cooler that isn't powerful enough for the cpu it was paired with mainly.
I’m an Ignorant console gamer who spent $2300 on this pre built 2 years ago (the aegis that came with i7 and 3070). It was ok for 2 years then the liquid cooler stopped working and my cpu went to 100 degrees. I am replacing the liquid cooler with a Corsair h60x but I don’t think it is enough to save this garbage pre built. What a waste of money. I need to learn how to build my own.
Yeah but Steve, the RGB should help with the airflow. /s
You should do an update review with their new case design
I love these videos, people looking up these prebuilds must be so thankful to have found this.
27:51 Steve the comedian…. “And a case that doesn’t suck” …..isn’t that what the MSI case does ….doesn’t suck in fresh air hahahaha 😂 😆 😛
My wife bought me the msi Aegis r2 from Costco online. Its good so far. I hope it doesn't fry my cpu or anything else for that matter. I really hope that they worked on it since this video. I just got it like almost 4 days ago or something like that. It was 1500 dollars. We went back to Costco and it was going for 1700.
I’m so glad we’re back to ‘Norton is a virus’. It is most nostalgic
The paper setting on fire from simply picking it up and putting it back down again towards the end. 🤣🤣🤣
This video inspired me to loosen the screws on my M.2 heatsink, because I realised it was bending in the same way due to the thermal pad, and I figured I should make it "tight-ish" on installation.
The build is like 3 days old but I really wish the SSD had a full screw hole to minimise this instead of the half screw holes we get now.
About that SSD: Ive noticed sometimes with M.2 SSDs that are bent there is a chance for random blue screens.
Of course it will vary model to model, and where the bend is that will affect things. But it ain't a good look if from the factory a PC has potential for such issues.
02:48 insert "off meme"
08:50 now thats Dawid levels of happiness
Glad I checked for this review. I was about to head to Micro Center to get one of these with a 12700F and 3060Ti for $1,450.
With all the reviews and videos like this one literally SHOWING the issues and outlining possible fixes you would think these companies would listen but in reality it's "Oh yeah that - we never listen. Buyeeee" and just keep pumping out these systems. There are those of us who remember brand loyalty but how can you be loyal to situations and products like this?
At my old job we used to say if you don't give something a torque spec the techs will screw to either "red tight" or "blue tight." Red tight means tighten until you're red in the face, blue tight means you tighten until you're blue in the face. Looks like that SSD was blue tight.
around the same time as this video dropped, I bought a MSI Aegies ZS from Costco with AMD 5800X, and a 3060 ti, with an AIO, that just failed, and temps were hitting 100C - glad I learned how to monitor temps - and had to RMA it... when I talked with them, they were responsive, and encouraged me to only send the AIO if I could, as sending entire PC from my location to COI in CA would have set me back about 400 bucks... so I appreciate that. let's see what they send in replacement. they no longer sell the 120mm AIO, and the bigger brothers both got recalled.... // ALSO, i was able to order just the front panel with the mesh (shortly after the parts guy said they don't do that anymore) - but first they sent me a panel for the Codex (wrong machine entireley) - so all in all, a less than spectacular experience. we'll see about the next PC I bring into my life... I have a feeling I'll be building it on my own.
I want to see drake do more industrial just because I think it's interesting to see different manufacturers approach to the same problem, like how will an Argo salvage differ etc
Wow this is crazy..... great video. Think they want to check the performance of their support team?
I bought 1 prebuilt/build your own pc from CLX before i knew how to build my own. Looking back now i still have that PC and they honestly did a really good job. Only fault was they gave me the wrong case but they gave me a free mechanical keyboard with cherry keys as compensation and the case they gave me was actually better than the one i wanted. You guys should do CLX review sometime
Last week a friend asked me to help him with the Lenovo Legion he bought. What I saw there almost made me blind. 1x 80 mm fan, cheapest possible cooler on a cpu, all parts 'Lenovo standard'. The case is fully locked Glass box without any ventilation. 3060 blower card that sounds like a f16. In bios the CPU was at 67, when any load applied he instantly reached 92 and than he dropped the clocks. Nothing i could do there without breaking the warranty. Advised him to reach support and RMA. They said 92 is fine and clocks are dynamic so its all fine. Seriously. They rejected that. No words.
I built my first PC a few months ago and it runs really well I have a 5900X that has a 4.8Ghrz all core overclock and in a heavy gaming session it has never went over 70C. I also have a 6600XT that hasn't went over 70C too in a gaming session. It's sad how alot of times a new computer builder can pick better parts for thermals than a massive company.
Man I had to rewind that ad like twice... I heard "car" and was like WAHT?! hahaha
Actually, I have this Gungnir 110R case with 4080 and 5800X3D inside and Im super happy with the temps. With 21C ambient, both cpu and gpu sitting about 70c in games (Arctic 240 liquid cooler). Airflow is suprisingly good through that brick at front ;)
In my opinion the absolute best prebuilt money can buy is Micro Center's prebuilt's.
I can’t believe the price on this, our lab ordered an Aegis a few months ago with an 11700k with 240mm AIO and 3070ti for the same price you guys paid for this.
It's amazing that back in the early to mid 2000s all those modded PCS that we built ourselves some with very little ventilation, watercooling was in its infancy and PC manufacturing through Alienware was at its peak you never ever heard about these kind of problems. And this goes down from the PC builders/manufacturer all the way to the parts manufacturer the lack of care and quality and a lot of times just downright disrespect to the customers just astounds me at the prices they charge these days.
I've been using this for my 3D animation homework and videogames for a while, I havent had problems with it :(
i ordered an msi r-11 this videos made me worry
So I built my pc with this case and surprisingly have no heat issues
I bought one of these with an i7 10700kf, 2080 super, and an AIO back around 2021 I think. It's been a great PC for someone getting into computers, I got to learn how to replace a lot of parts. AIO failed, the 2080 failed, and the ram failed within 2 years. My xmp was also not enabled. It's easy to fix though and at the time I bought it I got a great deal considering graphics cards were hard to find back then. This review is over the top as always but yeah these weren't the best systems out there.
Love this video and your pre-built reviews, any pre-built within the 2.5K to 3K range that you would recommend?
i was actually looking at getting this case to update the look of my pc, glad i went for something that doesn't have temperature issues
Just found this channel and this guy, amazing interesting videos!
A couple months ago my friend bought a MSI Aegis ZS Gaming Desktop computer and couldn't get it to turn on. Damn thing didn't have a switch on the power supply. She exchanged it for a new one *three* times. Each PC had the same problem. She ended up just returning the last one and getting an iBUYPOWER prebuilt.
I realy hope they do CLX Computers at some point, I'm like mine quite a lot and would like to see what others think.
Got an I7, rtx3070, really good case for cooling, 16gb ram, pretty decent cpu cooler, power supply and motherboard. 1700$. It was a prebuilt. I couldn’t be more happier with it. “Just build it dude” yeah, because I’m totally gonna find a 3070 for $500. No. It’s entirely cheaper to buy a prebuilt. Just do your research, and get one that is going to be good. Do your research. I got mine from new egg, and as much shit as they get, I couldn’t be happier with my PC, and it’s a total beast, destroying any game I throw at it, max settings, 32in 1440p monitor
Great video! Info like this helps us avoid costly mistakes.
thank you guys . you and the team literally will help pc gaming get back to the right track by marketing those videos .
Daisychain PCI-E solution, is okay up to 300W, as long as the AWG is specified to handle 25 Amps (@12V). it is on high quality PSU's. But some use AWG, that is specced to handle 16-18 Amps (200-225W max). Some lower powered units has a multiple rail config, which has maybe a 18A limitation on the 12V that feed the PCI-E cable. Which is more safe. Better to have a PSU shutting off, than the risk of cable melting.
The PSU used here, is Delta. They overall make excellent PSUs. Even with medium quality parts, they build them to last, because they build them properly. Should be dimensined properly according to rail power.
This is actually my PC case, 3700X with 280 AIO, the temperature is okay, around 35-41 C for daily use. The airflow is mainly goes from the bottom of the front case, it is not as bad as you thought.
You should probably get a MESH Panel considering how much the temps can improve and plus, MESH panels look a little nicer than plain glass imo
Steve: Look at this one millimeter slit, and that's it for front panel ventilation.
Steve one minute later: Oh also there are rows of vents on the sides of the front panel. And oh also there are vents on the top and bottom.
This video had a ton of complaining about the front panel but at the end of the day it looks like removing it entirely resulted in pretty much the same CPU temperatures and a drop of only a few degrees for the GPU. *shrug*
Did MSI outsource assembly to The Verge?
27:52 - What do you mean? With that blocked off front this case certainly doesn't suck anything already!
I actually like how that case looks... without the front cover on.