@@daireedavemolato9378 we can call their DLC "Expansion Packs" unlike most modern DLC.. remember expansion packs on discs? lol, typically a huge chunk of content
Phantom Libery was like a spy thriller man. That whole sequence when you first enter Dogtown and subsequent plane crash and stuff is better than what's Hollywood has been doing for the last decade. It's a pretty high bar. Shadow of the Eardrtree was on par with the best stuff From ever did in terms of DLC so yeah, Bethesda's loading screen simulator is not in the same galaxy as these two.
I found it unacceptable that Andreja had no involvement in anything when I brought her with me. Bringing Nick to Far Harbor opened up new avenues of background information about Nick and greater context on what was going on in Far Harbor. Andreja should have done exactly the same.
Barely, I just finished the DLC with her the whole time (as my wife) in the home we now have on her home planet and she made no comment on it. But when some scientists are yapping about the data slates I need to go collect she made sure to chime in. Total Fail.
I can confirm she barely comments on anything, I have a feeling her lines are pretty much what any other character would say most times with the slight variations depending on the actual character with you. Overall the dlc is just more Starfield, bland, depressing, boring & a bit of a chore to play.
Rogue trader's dlc has already netted me 10 hours and it was 10 dollars. New companion. Two new class. Several new fleshed out locations. Integrated into the main game. Adds a depth of lore. New weapons, lore, ship parts. And they have a fraction of the financial backing that Bethesda does. Come on Bethesda, 30 dollars?
Yeah. Owlcat is LEGENDARY with how much they’re willing to add into the base game with later DLC content, including straight up changing some sections of the game based on decisions you make in the DLC story and vice versa. Pathfinder Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous are pretty great in general, and the expansions absolutely nailed it.
Thank you for covering this and giving your honest thoughts on what you like and dislike about shattered space. Although I know you always do that anyways with any game you have covered. I appreciate anyone who has anything positive to say about it. Its not a perfect game but I still think the amount of negativity directed at it is excessive.
Xbox decided the price. Do you remember redfall? That shit was 70 dollars and Phil knew that game was a disaster but they released it anyway. I am not surprised.
I finished Shattered Space a couple of days ago. Overall, it’s a good DLC. 8/10 for me. I wanted more lore on va’arun & I definitely got that. The convoluted political structure of this cult and the slow reveal of the speakers sinister plans was well done. Plus some of the side quests and other locations had me hooked. My main nitpicks: we needed more unique weapons/armor, Andreja needed to say more, this DLC should be $15, and I wish we had a cool spaceship battle. Also yeah I joined this crazy cult but I didn’t fully commit to it. Actually I mocked it [They hated that] lol 😂.
Even though I am not a big fan of Cyberpunk, I have to say the Phantom liberty DLC was longer, had more missions, more NPCs with dialogues and lore than anything this 30 dollar scam that Bethesda wants us to buy
@@kevinlist3330 AAA companies need to make back their budgets. Spider-Man 2 cost almost $350 million and they needed to sell 7-8 million copies at $70 to make back the budget. It’s the insane budgets that’s raising prices. Still can’t believe that The Witcher 3 only cost $60-$70 million to make.
@@kevinlist3330 yep. Cost me $40 for a brand new copy. I also buy Complete Edition of The Witcher 3 for like $10. But CDPR also drastically decrease the price of their games over time.
Ngl, I always have to remind myself that Bethesda DLC are considered expansions. However, they do not strike me as being substantial enough on the level of Iceborne, Blood and Wine, or Phantom Liberty.
@@ValkbgI think far harbor is the most fair comparison. Same price point in a modern Bethesda game. Most of the other things we can compare to are not very useful, because the philosophy behind dlc and pricing has changed, and different studios approach it in very different ways. If a studio is giving us a less substantial expansion at the same price point as their last big dlc, that’s worth criticizing. Either lower the price or cook it for longer. People will complain if they get a worse product at the same price
Now if only the whole game were built around this sci-fan premise in a larger (Shivering Isles scale, at least) sandbox. Would've done better to hide Emil's terrible writing sensibilities, too. This is just making me want a Prey open world game.
When you mentioned the price, I was reminded of the one scene in Witcher 3 where Geralt sees a handkerchief embroidered with a rich dudes initials that are DLC and comments on how expensive itbis for something so small.
@@AyarARJ 4 of his last 5 100% reviews were third-person action games - 3 of those being AAA. I'm pretty sure his channel is more popular now and headed in a slightly different direction.
Great review, thanks. I was personally disappointed by the lack of new Va'Ruun ship parts and as you've said about the quantity of new items/armors (the new clothing in particular are very good looking). The Va'Ruun aesthetics in general is so damn good and unique in Starfield that they should have added as many items to it as possible, and I'd love to display those aesthetics on my ship - especially since my first character is going all in on his Va'Ruun conversion.
A very kind review that made me realize there WERE more skill and background-based dialogue choices. My character pulled out some fancy Cicero thing from her [PROFESSOR] background, and I didn't really fully realize that until now. My excitement started off super high with the spacestation, then cratered with the whole long high council blah blah blah stuff. But as I've been playing more, slowly completing more side quests, and slowly exploring more, I'm regaining some of that initial enthusiasm. But yes--the $30 price is an absurd asking price when you compare it to the surrounding market. Todd, your dialogue isn't THAT freaking good!!!
Im confused for the complains of rhe price. Isnt space marine 2 like a 8-10 hour campaign? Astro bot is like sub 10 hours. Theres like loads of $60 -$70 games that are 10 hours long
It's because general users consider the two games you mentioned as higher-quality experiences. Not stating my opinion just stating what the thought process is.
Space marine also offers the operations and pvp which are really the main meat of the game, AND they aren't holding back content to charge for later to rip us off. All the new operations, classes and game modes will be free.
@@punani_slayer4209 or the fact you can get free mods in Bethesda's OWN games, that offer more and higher qualitity content, than the mediocre buggy crap Bethesda charges almost full release game prices for.
I’m really happy to hear that they did away with the procedural garbage that heavily ended up damaging the base game, I hope they will not use that approach in their future games.
Yea we are just not at a place where that implimentation is even halfway acceptable or decent. Returnal and Remenant 2 I think pulled it off but those are entirely differnet generes compared to an open world bethesda title. Everything should of been handcrafted from the start, the base game could of been so much better.
What did you mean they did away with it? There is plenty of procedurally created content in the dlc. Go visit the other moons, or land on any area of the main moon.
Love Starfield. The people who don't like Starfield make me like it more out of spite. I wish I wasn't this way, but it's true. Thanks for the review, excited to get to this when I level my new character.
Shattered Space is about the siE of Far Harbor. 10 hrs is maybe if you fly through it. I'm 3 hours in and haven't done any main quests. Just 2 side quests and exploration. It looks more like 15 to 20 hrs if you 100% it.
Ignoring the price tag, I think Shattered Space is far richer than the base game. Other reviewers have complained that it was story-based, but hey, that's the kind of game I prefer.
Something that was datamined but for some reason wasn't advertised by Bethesda: there are about 20 new "generic" POI added to the POI pool with Shattered Space.
Did you explore Va'ruun related quests in the main game? Were they improved? Did Andreja got a bit better interacting with this world, those quests as well as you having serpent worshipper trait? Those are my main questions
I'm someone who really enjoyed the base game and look forward to playing this expansion. I can totally see why people would wait, though, based on the pricing. It's a bit high!
@@phutureproof I will not even download it for free, its up for a few days on sites, and you can clearly see by the amount of ppl, that they do NOT want this game even for free.
Hello. What can I do if certain landmarks do not load? They remain white or black. The PC is powerful enough for the game. This is true for the entire game area
I recently finished the base game, mostly the main story and I'm not in the mood for more Starfield yet. Maybe in some future with more DLCs on offer and a reduced price I'll look into Starfield again. For now I'd rather spend my time on role playing games with more role play and less loading screens. But I like Bethesda focusing more on one planet and story then empty planets and lots of loading screens
I actually got to the last boss in 40 hours. 30 hours to move past Messmer, 10 more for final boss. But I also b lined the main bosses which is what everyone said not to do. Moral of the story, dont b line rush because you can and in the process miss the rest of the dlc. You want more than 40 hours? dont speed run games.
Mort, steam are doing a turn based RPG sale. WIll you do a video on it? I am deciding between buying Pathfinder WOTR or warhammer 40k. worried about skill ceiling for pathfinder as I have only played BG3 and I am not great at it. I want to buy divinity OS2 but it isn't on sale.
As someone with 1500+ hours on D:OS2, *get it*. Eventually. I'm into experimenting with builds and character ideas, so D:OS2 is perfect for me. Base game with no mods is already good enough, but with mods you pretty much have the most flexible character build system in any CRPG, probably only matched by a Legend mythic in WotR. Pathfinder has configurable difficulty (like BG3), so you can slowly warm up to the rules before approaching the harder difficulties. Keep in mind that WotR has a long, *long* campaign. I have hundred of hours in that and I still haven't seen the ending, mostly because of 'restartitis' though. I'd say it's easier to transfer what you know from BG3 to Pathfinder than to Rogue Trader.
Given the focus on melee & close quarters combat in this DLC, I was hoping they would add (optional) slow-mo ‘kill cams’ & combat/ stealth finisher animations! (Like in Skyrim/ FO3 / FO4).
If I remember correctly, weren’t Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Shivering Isles, Nuka-World, Far Harbor, etc. all around $20 at launch? It’s been many years, so I could be misremembering and substituting the current-day price.
@@andrewlewis2123 yup just looked it up, you are correct, at last for dawnguard and dragonborn they were both 20 bucks. I got that wrong big time lol. I suppose this makes the older dlcs the winners in regards to content-pricepoint?
@@si_w8201 that’s true, inflation and the current price of AAA games could be a cause for why they set the price where they did. With that said, the indie scene has blown up in the intervening years, too; games are no longer just automatically $50-60, and you can now find a lot of great AA or indie games for $20 or less. So while it may not be totally fair to compare old prices with new prices, there could be a whole separate conversation on what is worth $30 in the current gaming market. I haven’t played Starfield, personally - reviews and gameplay demos have turned me off of it for now. So I can’t judge the quality or value myself. Even so, I can’t help but raise my eyebrows a bit when I see a $30 DLC from Bethesda, when in the past we’ve gotten more content for less from them, and arguably still can get more value for less from other games/devs.
Always surprised by your takes regarding this game, as someone who dives into crpgs and games with real roleplaying, but I was also surprised by your takes regarding Fallout 3 and Oblivion so at least there’s consistency.
Could not run my game after update of dlc. Put it in windowsmode and loaded another safegame. After this I didnt have any problems and just put the game back in fullscreen again.....
How's it compare to, say, Morrowind's expansion sizes? I can't remember for sure if tribunal was 20, but I know Bloodmoon was 30. I was just thinking of this more in line with 'expansion' than 'dlc' You do make it sound like it lacks enough expansion, though, again. How does it compare with past Bethesda expansions, and at their price points?
I disagree about it selling well. My theory is most ppl who bought the base game like myself were so hyped they bought the $100 edition, which paid for the dlc & 3 days early play. This means between the launch of the game & the launch of the dlc, there wasn't much incentive to put more effort into a $30 dlc that most Starfield players already purchased on day 1.
As someone with no interest in buying the DLC, I have to say that reading the patch notes, I was surprised at just how little this patch changes the base game. Seems like there's still no reason to give the game another chance if it disappointed you at launch.
I just played the base game after the update and i did not see any difference, the same bugs are still here since one year. They have patched some little things here and there but i don't really see any difference. The game did even crash last night corrupting my last save and making me loose one hour of outpost building, i was so happy!!! 😡
Shattered Space looks great, but it's not the DLC I was personally hoping for. I was hoping for an update to the exploration mechanics, as that's the game's biggest weakness. I'll still play it, but not at launch. Let's see what Bethesda has in store for us in 2025.
I'm really excited about this DLC, I'm not going to jump at it because my backlog is long enough that I can wait for an appropriate sale, but I'm excited to play this one.
@@dr.chungusphd108 Lol core game is fun for me. If this reflects "more of the core game" then I'm happy. I wasn't looking for a "fix" because I was having fun already :-)
My biggest problem with the base game was the ending. My character had too many relationships to sever forever just because seeing another universe could be fun. Shattered Space sounds charming, but I don’t think it makes up for the fact that I can’t bring myself to finish the game.
Eh people say this but then will buy it and Bethesda will make a lot of money. Just like Nintendo re-releasing games for $60, or horrible games like Scarlet/Violet for $60, but still making millions of sales. People complain about overpriced things but buy them anyway, which is why they remain overpriced.
Appreciate the coverage. I will give it another 8-12 months before jumping back into Starfield. This month has me tied up with faaaar to many other games atm. Space Marine 2, Plucky Squire, Kill Knight, and my most anticipated title of the year Dragon Age:Veilguard( I know this isn’t a fan favorite🤷). Regardless, GLHF all! Also if there is time I would very much like to play Until Dawn remake, and Silent Hill 2 remake!
I'd play this because the house Va'ruun aspect from the base game interested me, not to mention it'd be nice to experience a hand crafted place like this for a change, but there's just not enough here to warrant that frankly insulting price tag. If it comes on (A very good) sale at some point, I'll buy it, but half a game's price for ten or so hours that you'll play once without anything to enhance the rest of the game is just a bit ridiculous. Thanks for this review, Mort, I appreciate it.
@@Grogeous_Maximus yeah i know, i hate beth games after morrowind. but i try to keep my free comments seperate from how i feel about the games being reviewed or talked about.
I know people will be complaining about this one in the comments for no reason saying they probably didn't even finish the base game. 10 hours doesn't seem that long until you realise that Starfield itself is at most a 20 hour game to get through the main campaign. And as with other Bethesda games this DLC has a lot of side quests and content to do. I'm enjoying it a lot so far and it's sad to see people complaining about it and making everyone who buys it sound like an idiot. Not cool.
If you are a BGS Fan you would be disappointed with Starfield, compare this one with Skyrim and Fallout 4 DLCS, literally any of them... it falls short and flat in comparison, like, 2 new guns and a few reskins, no ship parts, no new companion, no armor, no new mechanic added to the base game, even Far Harbor had A LOT of lore, guns, companions, and factions to discover and a huge area to explore, so yes, it`s very much bland in comparison to BGS previous work, especially 1 year after the base game was released, and indeed, they will make you sound like an idiot for buying and enjoying the game, it doesn`t worth the asking price but hey it`s your money, FIFA ultimate team makes billions every year so the fool and it`s money are easy to separate and there are no shortage of fools. BTW people are calling this DLC the Shattered Space Bar, there's so much boring dialogue that all you wanna do is skip it to the good portions, also none of the choices matter, A or B route is the exact result, like the only difference is who is saying the voiceline and it`s the exact voiceline, you can test yourself, not even the "Story line" has any impact of meaning, the only thing that this DLC offered is pointless. Another quick cash grab from BGS, it didn`t work though, more people playing Skyrim Ultimate Edition than Starfield + DLC on the day of release, BGS knows this game is a flop, Xbox knows this game is a flop, they are relying on mods to keep it alive, instead of fixing themselves they double it and pass to the next person, soon you`ll be paying $5 for each quest that a modder somewhere made it themselves, not even BGS.
Well this sounds disappointing. Seems it's just a new location but with practically no new content. I kind of expected this to be like that, since essentially it seems like cut content, but according to some comments I see: No new ship parts or companion + only a couple weapons & armors. That is actually even below my expectations.
@@mattc7420 By location I did mean all the plot that comes with it. & whatever space stations. I just mean this DLC literally feels like cut content with how much this house varuun was mentioned base game. And well, they didn't add any new gameplay mechanics. Not even some that are like base game relevant, such as space ship parts. Like they didn't do the bare minimum properly.
i got the game version that included this dlc for pretty cheap from a key site, and im ok with that. sounds like its just more of the same just a bit better? but yeah if ur buying this for full price it doesn't sound close to worth it. no surprise there sadly.
$30 is rather high, I'll be waiting for a sale or something. Still excited to play the DLC, but until it's an affordable price, I'll just continue playing the base game.
I wouldn't even compare it with Phantom Liberty (lot of people in a comments do because of price) but even compared to some other DLCs bethesda made in last 20 years (Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Far Harbour) this is pathetic for that price.
I had over 100 hours in Starfield but I don't think this dlc is worth re-installing the game for. I never liked any of the snake appreciaters, so a dlc focussed on their faction already puts me off. Settlement building as in Fallout 4, that would bring me back. New ships would bring me back. Snake-Appreciaters though? Nope. I hated every one of them in the base game. I do not pay this much money just to be bothered by even more of them. The 3 snake-appreciaters the base game has are already more than enough for me.
Feels good to be back on Starfield. It’s an absolute masterpiece when it comes to the story, game mechanics is another thing. Needed new achievements and content to bring me back after 400 hours
I dunno what people expected really after the average game that was the base game. Did they really though this was gonna be any different or better? Yeah..highly unlikely. Releasing it during such a big month also didn't help it either. FF16, GOW Ragnarok just came out on PC then it's Metaphor, Vessel of Hatred in 1 week and Life is Strange, Dragon Age at the end of the month. But for 30$ and only 10 hour long it does seem like it's plain robbery. Bethesda's last chance for me is ES6, which I expect to release in 2028 if not later and if they screw that up then Godspeed.
I could care less about Ragnorak on pc whic is just a sequel from 2018 and an epiloque from the original trilogy. Why you lie that its a big month? Spiderman on Pc was a big month. That was a new game compared to amazing spiderman saga and rami. Starfield is a new IP. 30$ and 10 hour long?? now I know youre trolling.
@@peacefusion You should read and watch the video before you comment. The expansion of Starfield costs 30$ and is 10hours long as Mortismal said. I was also talking from a PC gamer's perspective. Point stands: older games like FF16 and GoW Ragnarok if you never played them are better choices to play than an expansion for an average base game (Starfield), which disappointed a lot of people (myself included). I didn't even add the fact Metaphor from Atlus that comes from the same team that did Persona 5 which, as you know, won GOTY at the TGA's in 2017 and it has huge word of mouth from the Demo they released.
For me it seems like Bethesdas trying to squeeze the last bit of €€ out of Starfield that is somehow possible with the left ressources they got before moving on
I mean, I have Xbox game pass because I have kids so it was free for me. I paid the $30. Because I genuinely enjoy this game. Even without this DLC. People are so harsh on this game. As a person who has a life out side video games. This is enjoyable.
I finished it last night and thought it was alright (Got it for free in a GPU promo lol), but hearing it costs $30 had me like WTF, especially if you compare it to their previous DLCs.
@@diegocastaneda3829nah, there’s a lot of hive minded, creatively bankrupt, and copy pasta comments that are devoid of any original thought or ideas as we speak on this. I enjoyed phantom of liberty, but it’s a dog shit comparison outside of both titles being an FPS. Zelda has a better plot than both of those games, Indigo prophecy had a better plot, The warriors had a better plot etc. Shit, even Pokémon Emerald has a better plot. It’s counter productive, and purely rooted in negatively 100%. That being said, Starfield isn’t garbage, but it’s not amazing either. They could’ve spent those 8 years actually dissecting all of the good traits of their best sellers, fused them into a space game, and even utilized Obsidian for help if needed. I’m pretty convinced that they’re fucking up on purpose atp.
@@diegocastaneda3829Perhaps that's you, and maybe you're a level minded person who can understand that, but if you scroll through the comment section a lot of it is just negativity and hate not criticism. It's quite simple to see the difference between the two.
Phantom Liberty and Shadow of the Erdtree were basically whole new games for a similar price.
Well botj CDPR and Fromsoft have always been known for having great DLC expansions
@@daireedavemolato9378 And they are some of the exceptions in the current video game industry.
@@daireedavemolato9378 Bethesda have made some fantastic expansions for their older games. They just fell behind the curve heavily the last 6-7 years.
@@daireedavemolato9378 we can call their DLC "Expansion Packs" unlike most modern DLC.. remember expansion packs on discs? lol, typically a huge chunk of content
Phantom Libery was like a spy thriller man. That whole sequence when you first enter Dogtown and subsequent plane crash and stuff is better than what's Hollywood has been doing for the last decade. It's a pretty high bar. Shadow of the Eardrtree was on par with the best stuff From ever did in terms of DLC so yeah, Bethesda's loading screen simulator is not in the same galaxy as these two.
It just seems like a ripped faction quest line. Like they didn’t have time to add it in the base game so they made it a dlc
Because it is, you're exactly right.
Given that the game was repeatedly delayed and clearly had a troubled dev cycle, this sadly is quite likely. $30 for this seems crazy.
@@recognizer0165 would've been a great free dlc and probably would've brought many people back to starfield
@@R-YR29was just thinking Bestheada had a chance to recover a bit but completely dropped the ball.
Also is it just me or is the DLC plot basically the plot of the movie Event Horizon? Lol 🤣
I found it unacceptable that Andreja had no involvement in anything when I brought her with me. Bringing Nick to Far Harbor opened up new avenues of background information about Nick and greater context on what was going on in Far Harbor. Andreja should have done exactly the same.
What are you talking about? She talks and comments on things all the time.
Barely, I just finished the DLC with her the whole time (as my wife) in the home we now have on her home planet and she made no comment on it.
But when some scientists are yapping about the data slates I need to go collect she made sure to chime in. Total Fail.
@@Crusina Plot related? Because she might as well have been Barret when it comes to the story.
apparently, it's a glitch from what i heard.
I can confirm she barely comments on anything, I have a feeling her lines are pretty much what any other character would say most times with the slight variations depending on the actual character with you. Overall the dlc is just more Starfield, bland, depressing, boring & a bit of a chore to play.
Rogue trader's dlc has already netted me 10 hours and it was 10 dollars. New companion. Two new class. Several new fleshed out locations. Integrated into the main game. Adds a depth of lore. New weapons, lore, ship parts. And they have a fraction of the financial backing that Bethesda does. Come on Bethesda, 30 dollars?
genshin impact does all of that for free.....
@@techgeek123-em7uf but genshin makes passive income from gacha
@@techgeek123-em7uf That's a shame we can't downvote a comment more than once. How is that even comparable xD
Yeah. Owlcat is LEGENDARY with how much they’re willing to add into the base game with later DLC content, including straight up changing some sections of the game based on decisions you make in the DLC story and vice versa. Pathfinder Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous are pretty great in general, and the expansions absolutely nailed it.
plus I appreciate that owlcat dlc integrates well with the rest of the game usually
30 euro and no new companions, gameplay mechanisms or ship parts is absolutely scandalous
I wouldn't generalize it like that, there is a place for story dlcs
There is 1 new companion lol but he's kind of annoying
@@SrefaniusBut they should actually have a good story for 30 €/$.
@@Srefanius at half the price of the original game?
@@Fat_Thor_1138 I'm not allowed to have a legitimate complaint about the product? Especially at the this price point...
Thank you for covering this and giving your honest thoughts on what you like and dislike about shattered space. Although I know you always do that anyways with any game you have covered. I appreciate anyone who has anything positive to say about it. Its not a perfect game but I still think the amount of negativity directed at it is excessive.
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
For $30 I would have expected something the size of Shivering Isles
Bethesda like all the other AAA game Devs has gotten worse with time smh 😮💨
@@HassanSabbaku rockstar would like to disagree
Rockstar makes 1 game per dacade.@@sweetbabyrayso5262
For 30$ i expected something the size of Phantom Liberty from cyberpunk.
@PRODUCTOFPAIN say what u want about cyberpunk, but you gotta admit, CDPR knows how to treat their fans to amazing expansions
Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty was $30. Bethesda has lost the plot.
Xbox decided the price. Do you remember redfall? That shit was 70 dollars and Phil knew that game was a disaster but they released it anyway. I am not surprised.
@@adhirajbAnd?
phantom liberty released 3 entire years after cyberpunk was released. thats why it was 30$. they took forever
Phantom Liberty should've been FREE
@@jeremybrown9611 okay jeremybrown9611
Imagine if 4-5 main planets had been decked out like this in the main game, and only the rest were procedurally generated.
That would fix the entire game
I'm so tired of reskinned weapons and armor in video games. It feels like something MMOs do, not single player games.
Yeah I don't see why a skin is worth extra $.
I finished Shattered Space a couple of days ago. Overall, it’s a good DLC. 8/10 for me. I wanted more lore on va’arun & I definitely got that. The convoluted political structure of this cult and the slow reveal of the speakers sinister plans was well done. Plus some of the side quests and other locations had me hooked. My main nitpicks: we needed more unique weapons/armor, Andreja needed to say more, this DLC should be $15, and I wish we had a cool spaceship battle. Also yeah I joined this crazy cult but I didn’t fully commit to it. Actually I mocked it
[They hated that] lol 😂.
I actually love shattered space. Even better story than the base game
Phantom Liberty price tag was a lot more acceptable than this. This is just highway robbery.
Even though I am not a big fan of Cyberpunk, I have to say the Phantom liberty DLC was longer, had more missions, more NPCs with dialogues and lore than anything this 30 dollar scam that Bethesda wants us to buy
@@kevinlist3330 I actually got the physical ultimate edition for PS5 for $40. So I’m happy.
@@kevinlist3330 AAA companies need to make back their budgets. Spider-Man 2 cost almost $350 million and they needed to sell 7-8 million copies at $70 to make back the budget. It’s the insane budgets that’s raising prices. Still can’t believe that The Witcher 3 only cost $60-$70 million to make.
@@kevinlist3330 More hours doesn't always equal better game. There is room for both.
@@kevinlist3330 yep. Cost me $40 for a brand new copy. I also buy Complete Edition of The Witcher 3 for like $10. But CDPR also drastically decrease the price of their games over time.
Ngl, I always have to remind myself that Bethesda DLC are considered expansions. However, they do not strike me as being substantial enough on the level of Iceborne, Blood and Wine, or Phantom Liberty.
This one is not even comparable to Far Harbour IMO
Blood and Wine was remarkable, another easy 30 hours of playtime
@@ValkbgI think far harbor is the most fair comparison. Same price point in a modern Bethesda game. Most of the other things we can compare to are not very useful, because the philosophy behind dlc and pricing has changed, and different studios approach it in very different ways.
If a studio is giving us a less substantial expansion at the same price point as their last big dlc, that’s worth criticizing. Either lower the price or cook it for longer. People will complain if they get a worse product at the same price
don't feel the game but love your channel so...commenting👍
same here :3
Thats it.
Good call
I'll add one too for this reason.
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Now if only the whole game were built around this sci-fan premise in a larger (Shivering Isles scale, at least) sandbox.
Would've done better to hide Emil's terrible writing sensibilities, too.
This is just making me want a Prey open world game.
Love your transparency at the start!
When you mentioned the price, I was reminded of the one scene in Witcher 3 where Geralt sees a handkerchief embroidered with a rich dudes initials that are DLC and comments on how expensive itbis for something so small.
It's alright. Im enjoying it more than anything in the base game that's for sure
A new tactical rpg released last night called Rogue Waters. Will you take a look at it?
No plans
@SpurLN Gotta carve out that Starfield time (dies inside)
Weird, I would have bet low single-digit dollars that Mort would cover Rogue Waters to some degree.
Now I'm suspicious.
Thanks for the heads up. Looks really cool
@@AyarARJ 4 of his last 5 100% reviews were third-person action games - 3 of those being AAA. I'm pretty sure his channel is more popular now and headed in a slightly different direction.
Great review, thanks. I was personally disappointed by the lack of new Va'Ruun ship parts and as you've said about the quantity of new items/armors (the new clothing in particular are very good looking). The Va'Ruun aesthetics in general is so damn good and unique in Starfield that they should have added as many items to it as possible, and I'd love to display those aesthetics on my ship - especially since my first character is going all in on his Va'Ruun conversion.
I like the pink and purply color palette they went with
A very kind review that made me realize there WERE more skill and background-based dialogue choices. My character pulled out some fancy Cicero thing from her [PROFESSOR] background, and I didn't really fully realize that until now.
My excitement started off super high with the spacestation, then cratered with the whole long high council blah blah blah stuff.
But as I've been playing more, slowly completing more side quests, and slowly exploring more, I'm regaining some of that initial enthusiasm.
But yes--the $30 price is an absurd asking price when you compare it to the surrounding market.
Todd, your dialogue isn't THAT freaking good!!!
Im confused for the complains of rhe price. Isnt space marine 2 like a 8-10 hour campaign? Astro bot is like sub 10 hours. Theres like loads of $60 -$70 games that are 10 hours long
It's because general users consider the two games you mentioned as higher-quality experiences. Not stating my opinion just stating what the thought process is.
Space marine also offers the operations and pvp which are really the main meat of the game, AND they aren't holding back content to charge for later to rip us off. All the new operations, classes and game modes will be free.
Compare this to phantom liberty or shadow of the erdtree. Do you understand now?
@@punani_slayer4209 or the fact you can get free mods in Bethesda's OWN games, that offer more and higher qualitity content, than the mediocre buggy crap Bethesda charges almost full release game prices for.
Those games were made from ground up. This is dlc to an existing game. Not the same.
I’m really happy to hear that they did away with the procedural garbage that heavily ended up damaging the base game, I hope they will not use that approach in their future games.
That's what ruined the game honestly, I'd have preferred a handful of hand crafted explorable as opposed to the procedural schlock we got instead :/
Todd has already said tes6 will not be procedural.
Yea we are just not at a place where that implimentation is even halfway acceptable or decent. Returnal and Remenant 2 I think pulled it off but those are entirely differnet generes compared to an open world bethesda title. Everything should of been handcrafted from the start, the base game could of been so much better.
What did you mean they did away with it? There is plenty of procedurally created content in the dlc. Go visit the other moons, or land on any area of the main moon.
Yes and no. What they need to do is add content that actually takes advantage of the procedual nature of the game game, instead of just ignoring it.
Thanks for the review! 🎉
Thanks for the video. It sounds like more Starfield. Onward to 400k. All glory to the algorithm.
visually this DLC looks substancially more interesting / less boring and artistically bland than the base game
Love Starfield. The people who don't like Starfield make me like it more out of spite. I wish I wasn't this way, but it's true. Thanks for the review, excited to get to this when I level my new character.
Say what you will about The Outer Worlds, but I was happy with the size and length of its DLCs.
Shattered Space is about the siE of Far Harbor. 10 hrs is maybe if you fly through it. I'm 3 hours in and haven't done any main quests. Just 2 side quests and exploration. It looks more like 15 to 20 hrs if you 100% it.
thank you dude! I got something to watch while eating dinner :)
Ignoring the price tag, I think Shattered Space is far richer than the base game. Other reviewers have complained that it was story-based, but hey, that's the kind of game I prefer.
I feel like while the story was okay it seemed seriously under developed compared to what it could have been.
It was terrible
@@coltonwilkie241 I've quickly revised my opinion. Yeah, it sucks.
I was wondering if this was worth it. Thanks for the review
other then the price, this sounds like a big improvement on the main game.
Something that was datamined but for some reason wasn't advertised by Bethesda: there are about 20 new "generic" POI added to the POI pool with Shattered Space.
Good review, TY.
Great work man, keep it up.
Im loving the DLC and cant wait to do another playthrough on NG+ i do agree the main quest felt short but i did love every second of it.
Did you explore Va'ruun related quests in the main game? Were they improved? Did Andreja got a bit better interacting with this world, those quests as well as you having serpent worshipper trait?
Those are my main questions
I'm someone who really enjoyed the base game and look forward to playing this expansion. I can totally see why people would wait, though, based on the pricing. It's a bit high!
No extra stuff for the ship builder is very dissapointing, i wanted them to elaborate on the space combat
No new ship parts? It's the best part of the game... Bethesda messed up with the pricing on this one.
at this rate it's going to be a Sims4 level money sink to buy the fully completed Starfield experience
fitgirl it in a few days
this is actually a depressing prediction
thats their plan from the start
@@phutureproof I will not even download it for free, its up for a few days on sites, and you can clearly see by the amount of ppl, that they do NOT want this game even for free.
yep. They're gonna charge $30 for these DLCs and then $20 for "stuff" packs... so evil
Hello. What can I do if certain landmarks do not load? They remain white or black. The PC is powerful enough for the game. This is true for the entire game area
I recently finished the base game, mostly the main story and I'm not in the mood for more Starfield yet. Maybe in some future with more DLCs on offer and a reduced price I'll look into Starfield again. For now I'd rather spend my time on role playing games with more role play and less loading screens. But I like Bethesda focusing more on one planet and story then empty planets and lots of loading screens
we got Shadow of the Erdtree for the same price as this dlc and SoTE was easily over 40 hours of content
I actually got to the last boss in 40 hours. 30 hours to move past Messmer, 10 more for final boss. But I also b lined the main bosses which is what everyone said not to do. Moral of the story, dont b line rush because you can and in the process miss the rest of the dlc. You want more than 40 hours? dont speed run games.
Mort, steam are doing a turn based RPG sale. WIll you do a video on it? I am deciding between buying Pathfinder WOTR or warhammer 40k. worried about skill ceiling for pathfinder as I have only played BG3 and I am not great at it. I want to buy divinity OS2 but it isn't on sale.
Pathfinder will destroy you if you're not good at BG3
@@josephcruz8797 I bought it and I’m playing on casual
As someone with 1500+ hours on D:OS2, *get it*. Eventually.
I'm into experimenting with builds and character ideas, so D:OS2 is perfect for me. Base game with no mods is already good enough, but with mods you pretty much have the most flexible character build system in any CRPG, probably only matched by a Legend mythic in WotR.
Pathfinder has configurable difficulty (like BG3), so you can slowly warm up to the rules before approaching the harder difficulties. Keep in mind that WotR has a long, *long* campaign. I have hundred of hours in that and I still haven't seen the ending, mostly because of 'restartitis' though. I'd say it's easier to transfer what you know from BG3 to Pathfinder than to Rogue Trader.
Maybe, havent decided yet
Given the focus on melee & close quarters combat in this DLC, I was hoping they would add (optional) slow-mo ‘kill cams’ & combat/ stealth finisher animations! (Like in Skyrim/ FO3 / FO4).
I wonder how you would compare it to something like dawguard? I always used that as the standard for Bethesda 30 dollar dlcs.
If I remember correctly, weren’t Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Shivering Isles, Nuka-World, Far Harbor, etc. all around $20 at launch? It’s been many years, so I could be misremembering and substituting the current-day price.
@@andrewlewis2123 the many years could explain why it was cheaper...
@@andrewlewis2123 yup just looked it up, you are correct, at last for dawnguard and dragonborn they were both 20 bucks. I got that wrong big time lol. I suppose this makes the older dlcs the winners in regards to content-pricepoint?
fair point, even the story based DLC from Fallout 4 should be looked at as a comparison.
@@si_w8201 that’s true, inflation and the current price of AAA games could be a cause for why they set the price where they did. With that said, the indie scene has blown up in the intervening years, too; games are no longer just automatically $50-60, and you can now find a lot of great AA or indie games for $20 or less. So while it may not be totally fair to compare old prices with new prices, there could be a whole separate conversation on what is worth $30 in the current gaming market.
I haven’t played Starfield, personally - reviews and gameplay demos have turned me off of it for now. So I can’t judge the quality or value myself. Even so, I can’t help but raise my eyebrows a bit when I see a $30 DLC from Bethesda, when in the past we’ve gotten more content for less from them, and arguably still can get more value for less from other games/devs.
What ship are you using? It looks really cool.
I made it myself in the ship builder
Always surprised by your takes regarding this game, as someone who dives into crpgs and games with real roleplaying, but I was also surprised by your takes regarding Fallout 3 and Oblivion so at least there’s consistency.
If Only Those Other Planets We’re Handcrafted I Probably Play But That Ain’t the Case
Could not run my game after update of dlc. Put it in windowsmode and loaded another safegame. After this I didnt have any problems and just put the game back in fullscreen again.....
How's it compare to, say, Morrowind's expansion sizes?
I can't remember for sure if tribunal was 20, but I know Bloodmoon was 30.
I was just thinking of this more in line with 'expansion' than 'dlc'
You do make it sound like it lacks enough expansion, though, again.
How does it compare with past Bethesda expansions, and at their price points?
$20 would have been optimal for this DLC, but it will most probably still sell well since it has a huge fanbase currently.
I disagree about it selling well. My theory is most ppl who bought the base game like myself were so hyped they bought the $100 edition, which paid for the dlc & 3 days early play. This means between the launch of the game & the launch of the dlc, there wasn't much incentive to put more effort into a $30 dlc that most Starfield players already purchased on day 1.
There are tons of people who got it from the Premium Edition of the base game.
For a 10 hour story DLC with one new companion, no new ship parts, and like 3 new enemies? At most seems like $15
@@Ren99510 2 new companions
@@Ren99510 Have you played it? Because I have. And ~5 hours in, barely scratching the surface, I'd say it was easily worth the price tag
As someone with no interest in buying the DLC, I have to say that reading the patch notes, I was surprised at just how little this patch changes the base game. Seems like there's still no reason to give the game another chance if it disappointed you at launch.
I just played the base game after the update and i did not see any difference, the same bugs are still here since one year. They have patched some little things here and there but i don't really see any difference. The game did even crash last night corrupting my last save and making me loose one hour of outpost building, i was so happy!!! 😡
Shattered Space looks great, but it's not the DLC I was personally hoping for. I was hoping for an update to the exploration mechanics, as that's the game's biggest weakness. I'll still play it, but not at launch. Let's see what Bethesda has in store for us in 2025.
Nothing good
I'm really excited about this DLC, I'm not going to jump at it because my backlog is long enough that I can wait for an appropriate sale, but I'm excited to play this one.
Don’t be it’s terrible.
@@dr.chungusphd108 Lol core game is fun for me. If this reflects "more of the core game" then I'm happy. I wasn't looking for a "fix" because I was having fun already :-)
My biggest problem with the base game was the ending. My character had too many relationships to sever forever just because seeing another universe could be fun. Shattered Space sounds charming, but I don’t think it makes up for the fact that I can’t bring myself to finish the game.
So the gist I'm getting is they're charging Far Harbor money for something closer in size to Automatron / Vault-Tec workshop. Oof
30 bucks, huh? My two favorite games to come out this year were $40 (Helldivers 2) and $20 (Tactical Breach Wizards).
Bethesda has lost the plot.
Eh people say this but then will buy it and Bethesda will make a lot of money. Just like Nintendo re-releasing games for $60, or horrible games like Scarlet/Violet for $60, but still making millions of sales. People complain about overpriced things but buy them anyway, which is why they remain overpriced.
I wanna get tactical breach wizards but I have such a massive backlog of games to play. But on the other hand, Tom Francis.
The price is certainly the only problem I think it has, but I play it for free so, super recommended
A Balanced Review. Thank you.
I was disappointed that the minor houses do not have their own questlines.
Also, agreed $30 is too much.
Kinda seemed liked they were going to at first and then its just one and done mostly, yeah
Appreciate the coverage. I will give it another 8-12 months before jumping back into Starfield. This month has me tied up with faaaar to many other games atm. Space Marine 2, Plucky Squire, Kill Knight, and my most anticipated title of the year Dragon Age:Veilguard( I know this isn’t a fan favorite🤷). Regardless, GLHF all!
Also if there is time I would very much like to play Until Dawn remake, and Silent Hill 2 remake!
What song is in the outro?
Great review! 👍 - Bad DLC👎
You're comment doesn't make sense, he said in his review that enjoyed the DLC, but it was just over price. How can it be a great review but a bad DLC?
@@Joseph-wh5of It's just my opinion. You can still like the game and DLC, if you enjoy the time spent playing them.
Any plans to cover Factorio dlc?
No plans
@@MortismalGaming sad it's out in a few weeks and looks very very good would love a video on it from you
TY Morty..I think I'll enjoy my second playthrough of it with this DLC just fine
I’m about an hour in and I think it’s been really fun so far
I don’t care to play this so I’ll just watch this video
I'd play this because the house Va'ruun aspect from the base game interested me, not to mention it'd be nice to experience a hand crafted place like this for a change, but there's just not enough here to warrant that frankly insulting price tag. If it comes on (A very good) sale at some point, I'll buy it, but half a game's price for ten or so hours that you'll play once without anything to enhance the rest of the game is just a bit ridiculous. Thanks for this review, Mort, I appreciate it.
Thanks for your level headed insight.
free comment, because it just works.
No it didn't
@@Grogeous_Maximus yes it did
@@Grogeous_Maximus yeah i know, i hate beth games after morrowind. but i try to keep my free comments seperate from how i feel about the games being reviewed or talked about.
I know people will be complaining about this one in the comments for no reason saying they probably didn't even finish the base game. 10 hours doesn't seem that long until you realise that Starfield itself is at most a 20 hour game to get through the main campaign. And as with other Bethesda games this DLC has a lot of side quests and content to do. I'm enjoying it a lot so far and it's sad to see people complaining about it and making everyone who buys it sound like an idiot. Not cool.
If you are a BGS Fan you would be disappointed with Starfield, compare this one with Skyrim and Fallout 4 DLCS, literally any of them... it falls short and flat in comparison, like, 2 new guns and a few reskins, no ship parts, no new companion, no armor, no new mechanic added to the base game, even Far Harbor had A LOT of lore, guns, companions, and factions to discover and a huge area to explore, so yes, it`s very much bland in comparison to BGS previous work, especially 1 year after the base game was released, and indeed, they will make you sound like an idiot for buying and enjoying the game, it doesn`t worth the asking price but hey it`s your money, FIFA ultimate team makes billions every year so the fool and it`s money are easy to separate and there are no shortage of fools.
BTW people are calling this DLC the Shattered Space Bar, there's so much boring dialogue that all you wanna do is skip it to the good portions, also none of the choices matter, A or B route is the exact result, like the only difference is who is saying the voiceline and it`s the exact voiceline, you can test yourself, not even the "Story line" has any impact of meaning, the only thing that this DLC offered is pointless.
Another quick cash grab from BGS, it didn`t work though, more people playing Skyrim Ultimate Edition than Starfield + DLC on the day of release, BGS knows this game is a flop, Xbox knows this game is a flop, they are relying on mods to keep it alive, instead of fixing themselves they double it and pass to the next person, soon you`ll be paying $5 for each quest that a modder somewhere made it themselves, not even BGS.
Does anyone know if they include this in the Game Pass?
You had to get the premium addon for 30 bucks, which was just a cosmetic, launch EA and this DLC.
Going to wait for a sale.
Well this sounds disappointing. Seems it's just a new location but with practically no new content.
I kind of expected this to be like that, since essentially it seems like cut content, but according to some comments I see:
No new ship parts or companion + only a couple weapons & armors. That is actually even below my expectations.
This is a whole new planet with new plot 🤡
@@mattc7420 By location I did mean all the plot that comes with it. & whatever space stations.
I just mean this DLC literally feels like cut content with how much this house varuun was mentioned base game.
And well, they didn't add any new gameplay mechanics. Not even some that are like base game relevant, such as space ship parts. Like they didn't do the bare minimum properly.
i got the game version that included this dlc for pretty cheap from a key site, and im ok with that. sounds like its just more of the same just a bit better? but yeah if ur buying this for full price it doesn't sound close to worth it. no surprise there sadly.
$30 is rather high, I'll be waiting for a sale or something. Still excited to play the DLC, but until it's an affordable price, I'll just continue playing the base game.
Starfield rocks, can't wait to start this expansion.
I wouldn't even compare it with Phantom Liberty (lot of people in a comments do because of price) but even compared to some other DLCs bethesda made in last 20 years (Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Far Harbour) this is pathetic for that price.
I didn't even know this was out yet. lol
At 30 I was hoping for way more content. Make there more things to do on other planets. Give us weekly challenges or something
Any superior tier weapons?
Any new ship parts?
Still waiting for the game to be done with updates and dlc so I can buy it and mod everything about it
I had over 100 hours in Starfield but I don't think this dlc is worth re-installing the game for. I never liked any of the snake appreciaters, so a dlc focussed on their faction already puts me off. Settlement building as in Fallout 4, that would bring me back. New ships would bring me back. Snake-Appreciaters though? Nope. I hated every one of them in the base game. I do not pay this much money just to be bothered by even more of them. The 3 snake-appreciaters the base game has are already more than enough for me.
Is it on gamepass?
I “liked”. I’m already subscribed. I’ll never play this game, and I’ll damn sure never 100% any game. I appreciate the video.
I'll wait for it to go on sale
Ohh yes, I was waiting for your review. Downloading the game and DLC right now
Feels good to be back on Starfield. It’s an absolute masterpiece when it comes to the story, game mechanics is another thing. Needed new achievements and content to bring me back after 400 hours
I got something to watch before eating breakfast :)
I dunno what people expected really after the average game that was the base game. Did they really though this was gonna be any different or better? Yeah..highly unlikely.
Releasing it during such a big month also didn't help it either. FF16, GOW Ragnarok just came out on PC then it's Metaphor, Vessel of Hatred in 1 week and Life is Strange, Dragon Age at the end of the month. But for 30$ and only 10 hour long it does seem like it's plain robbery.
Bethesda's last chance for me is ES6, which I expect to release in 2028 if not later and if they screw that up then Godspeed.
I could care less about Ragnorak on pc whic is just a sequel from 2018 and an epiloque from the original trilogy. Why you lie that its a big month? Spiderman on Pc was a big month. That was a new game compared to amazing spiderman saga and rami. Starfield is a new IP. 30$ and 10 hour long?? now I know youre trolling.
@@peacefusion You should read and watch the video before you comment. The expansion of Starfield costs 30$ and is 10hours long as Mortismal said. I was also talking from a PC gamer's perspective. Point stands: older games like FF16 and GoW Ragnarok if you never played them are better choices to play than an expansion for an average base game (Starfield), which disappointed a lot of people (myself included).
I didn't even add the fact Metaphor from Atlus that comes from the same team that did Persona 5 which, as you know, won GOTY at the TGA's in 2017 and it has huge word of mouth from the Demo they released.
For me it seems like Bethesdas trying to squeeze the last bit of €€ out of Starfield that is somehow possible with the left ressources they got before moving on
I mean, I have Xbox game pass because I have kids so it was free for me. I paid the $30. Because I genuinely enjoy this game. Even without this DLC.
People are so harsh on this game. As a person who has a life out side video games. This is enjoyable.
I will wait til it's on offer
I finished it last night and thought it was alright (Got it for free in a GPU promo lol), but hearing it costs $30 had me like WTF, especially if you compare it to their previous DLCs.
Lots negativity on here and I'm just enjoying the heck out of it.
I'm glad, but not everyone likes the same things or has the same expectations. That's not negativity, that's people sharing their discontent.
@@diegocastaneda3829nah, there’s a lot of hive minded, creatively bankrupt, and copy pasta comments that are devoid of any original thought or ideas as we speak on this. I enjoyed phantom of liberty, but it’s a dog shit comparison outside of both titles being an FPS. Zelda has a better plot than both of those games, Indigo prophecy had a better plot, The warriors had a better plot etc. Shit, even Pokémon Emerald has a better plot. It’s counter productive, and purely rooted in negatively 100%. That being said, Starfield isn’t garbage, but it’s not amazing either. They could’ve spent those 8 years actually dissecting all of the good traits of their best sellers, fused them into a space game, and even utilized Obsidian for help if needed. I’m pretty convinced that they’re fucking up on purpose atp.
Negativity gets more engagement. It's business.
@@diegocastaneda3829Perhaps that's you, and maybe you're a level minded person who can understand that, but if you scroll through the comment section a lot of it is just negativity and hate not criticism.
It's quite simple to see the difference between the two.
On scaled citadel the question steps won’t complete what a waste of time