Another thing is that not only is sans trying to make you rage quit but he also tries to reason with you, constantly talking about how you can reset at any time and he won’t remember any of this, saying you can really still be friends if you just turn back now, while also incorporating his personality into the fight to remind you all the good times you’ve had and how it really still can be back to normal if you’ll just reset
Honestly I hate anyone who only sees sans killing you when you spare him as him betraying you. He specifically states that “if we’re really friends, you won’t come back.” He’s not just making you angry for the sake of it, he’s giving you the opportunity to go back, because at this point sparing Sans, Asgore and whoever else is left isn’t enough. Once you come back, he says “well, I guess that means we never really WERE friends, but don’t tell that to the other sans’s.” Speaking of which, I don’t get everybody using that as a way to explain AUs, as it’s pretty clear he’s just talking about the other iterations of sans that are murdering you.
I like how fans went from: YOU KILLED MY BROTHER NOW YOU PAY!1!1 To: Kay you fucked up everything now you die I mean you can see an evolution in understanding sans
If only that was true Sans went from being misunderstood as very emotional To being misunderstood as not emotional at all He gets very noticeably pissed when you kill papyrus, but nowadays people act like he doesn’t care
In sans's fight, the roles are exchanged. Sans is the hero, and we're the monster. We're a bit the one that initiate the fight, sans attacks first, dodge, and can betrayal kill.
I also heard a theory saying that megalovania is the players theme. Considering that megalovania is similar to the word megalomaniac. Which would be a good description for the player in the genocide route.
also the fact that he can sit and do nothing forever just like how you can sit in the menu and do nothing in other fights (even though it doesn't help you or anything)
The way I see Sans fught is honestly connected to how he speaks with Susie in Deltarune: He's a janitor, not a cashier. He's quite literally the only guy left to be in the role as the final boss, so he decides to dig his slippers and commits to being the ultimate troll of boss battles. In other words (in my opinion): he isn't the final boss, he's just the other guy.
you sort of highlighted it but by far my favourite detail in this fight comes from sans's dialogue saying 'my special attack. sound familiar?' because the only way that would sound familiar would be if you had fought papyrus in a neutral route. masterful writing on tobys part honestly the fact he could predict most players would do a neutral route first and in most cases be absolutely spot on in that prediction is awesome. (though the genocide route is very much designed to not be something you do as your first route and stumble upon accidentally so i suppose that helps)
i feel like sans there is so menacing because he says "survive THIS!" to the player and truly asserts that you are the anomaly so hes able to make that reference because he knows his brother best
(For what we spoke about in discord) being a sans fan at 2024 is hard considering the fandom was on this phase on "if this has sans, it's bad" but I feel people uses the "overrated" excuse too much to thrash on the character sans was a well written character, people loves him for a reason and his fame is honestly deserver along with having the best fight in the entire game, I'm practically sure as hell toby planned it to succeed, flowey telling you sans is dangerous his constant threats "you'd be dead where you stand" all is right there. Sans sweep.
meh disagree, people shits on sans aus because they like to hate on everything ngl, most i meet just think sans aus are just sans powerful ererer instead of actually taking time to read an au and maybe see theyll like it
@@narrativeless404 But the problem is when they hate on AU's who use Sans as the main/big focus, EVEN WHEN ITS DONE WELL (IE: Horrortale). It's not even about the Sans AU's/Variants being trashy, its just about them being Sans.
Sans is my favorite character in fiction period. I played Undertale for the first time back in 2018 on the switch, and it took me 2-3 years to beat him because I gave up for a time, the only time I had ever given up on a fight, and I respect the hell out of him for it and many other things. My favorite part of his fight is that he’s just screwing with you, taunting you to give up, which is something I wish I could see in other games. He’s hilarious, he’s creative, and he doesn’t bother following the rules of the game because why should he, you killed everyone he knew.
6:57 he doesnt really *betray* you, its more since you can canonically only reset if you die, he is basically giving you the chance to reset, to 'go back on everything you've worked up to', hence him saying 'if we're really friends... you won't come back.'.
I feel that, gameplay wise, the sans fight is most dramatic when you first see it because, like omega flowey, the difficulty of his bossfight is caused by his breaking the regular game interface, and after some time the surprise of him dodging fades away, especially after every fangame has it.
A lot of fangames just give up making a Sans fight unique, so they start making him just block or tank attacks, I feel like a unique take for a Sans game could maybe be have Sans make you avoid him instead directly dodging your attacks, like in that one underswap fangame.
@@enigmaticencounterlol3277 An underswap papyrus fight game legit allowed him to use his orange soul to legit move your attack out of his way. It was crazy!
In my mind, the "don't say I didn't warn you" line is one of my favorites. The entire time Sans has been warning the player about having a bad time and what comes next. He's not talking about himself, he's talking about what truly comes next, the erasure of the universe. It recontextualizes his prior words about him giving you a bad time to something way worse. It's such genius foreshadowing
When I was around 10-11 I always used to tell my one friend about Undertale and always asked him "do you wanna have a bad time" to the point that it kinda annoyed him
Guess most people forget in a way the second half of the Sans fight constitutes a phase 2. Though it may be a silly thing to suggest, it would be funny if Toby trolled us by claiming there was a new phase 2 in a future announcement, only to reveal that it’s just the second half of the OG fight, just with the scrapped Sans boss theme.
"he's just gonna stand still and take it" Yeah no wonder Sans isn't gonna stand there and take it. He learned that from his brother 💀 (in the Genocide route, obviously. Don’t take this out of context.)
For me, the sans fight is a masterpiece in accomplishing what it intends to do, the rest of the murder route tends to do things that really bore the players and while that is the point and it’s well done it’s not enjoyable gameplay wise, the sans fight on the other hand gives an unfair challenge that’s still fun because it’s gaming instinct to want to overcome a challenge Sans knows the nature of the world he’s in, and so he can manipulate those aspects, it’s a great way to show his desperation since he knows this is the one path where the world WON’T be reset, the only thing that will be permenant, if he fails So his plan? Annoy you, piss you off, get you bored and tired by making you go through the same thing over and over, a dash of irony as he believes that’s what you’ve been doing to him
Something I literally never see brought up ever is the line “Our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum” While I’m happy more people are recognizing sans doesn’t flat out remember you’re genocides, I feel like people downplay how much he knows… Also, what’s up with the “our”? I never see people look into that. (Also the part with him talking about going back, and then saying that getting to the surface also doesn’t appeal raises some eyebrows)
Honestly the "our" really needs to be talked about more because at the very least it implies that at some point Sans and at least one other person had machinery cool enough to tell them of the anomaly that is the player. Either that or that by "our" he means the monsterkind as a whole. Whichever it is I doubt it got something to do with Gaster
Honestly, i just saw the "our" as a joke on how weather podcasters describe the weather situation on tv, which kinda(?) fits since mettaton was the last monster before the sans fight
I forget, does alphys EVER bring up anything about resets,- whether it be acknowledging them subtly or reacting to one in a similar manner to how Toriel remembers your pie preferences?
It's very easy to get caught up in his reputation, and his fanon, which is why i love watching people play geno blind, cause...GOD DAAAMN sans is handled PERFECTLY, and most people really do feel the same way as sans describes in his "Special Attack" (Which, you might have commented on, but i didnt finish the video yet :p)
I'd like to point out a few details I've noticed, having watched this fight a hundred times (and probably more): 1. It's obvious, but Sans takes advantage of the loopholes the battle system has. Getting your first turn? Sans uses that against you. Trying to attack him? He dodges that. Hoping your armor can protect you against his attacks? Doesn't matter because KR is what makes your invincibility frames essentially non-existent. Hell, he attacks you while it's your turn, and sparing him results in him killing you, akin to the betrayal kills you do. In culmination of this, his special attack is nothing, ensuring he can stall and waste more of your precious time. 2. It's a bit of a stretch, but his eye represents Patience and Justice, the former having the patience to troll murderers like you and the latter giving justice for most of the monsters you killed. 3. Sans doesn't put anything at all in his attacks. What makes Papyrus' attacks different is that his bones move around vertically. In addition, he puts a lot of passion in his bones, as seen in his final attack. Finally, Papyrus' bones disappear upon hitting you while Sans bones' don't, which is intentional in order to make Sans infamously hard as he is. 4. He doesn't use Gaster Blasters and Bones in the same place. Sure, it may look like he's using both of them in some of his attacks, but not once has he ever done them at the same time. 5. Sans does the "4-directional gravitation slam" bone attack 5 times, the last being implemented in his penultimate attack. 6. There are no orange bones here, despite what others may say. One of the first instances orange bones are used is Disbelief Papyrus. 7. Most of his dialogue suggests his true nature, and the reason why he's so nihilistic in the first place. So just to sum it up, Sans can't really bother anything to try because everything will just be reset in the end. The only reason why he's fighting you is because the thought of a world being erased motivated him to do so. 8. Sans' fight is much more deadly without KR. If I recall correctly, KR keeps you alive even when you don't have health until it runs out. So it's probably put here for gimmick purposes to make the lack of invincibility frames feel fair. 9. You cannot continue the fight if you don't make an attack, indicated by Sans not talking if you do anything other than attack. So you're pretty much on an endless loop of Sans' attacks until you keep attacking. 10. Sans has two phases. It's obvious, however Sans Fangames make it more apparent by adding separate fights per phase like Last Breath does. This fight doesn't, as it's just a single fight with two phases, no checkpoints in-between. 11. As a result of fighting him, Serious Mode is activated here. It's why Instant Noodles function differently here, along with a few items not making noises upon consumption. 12. The amount of numbers listed here is the same as Sans' unique pre-fight dialogues every time you die. Which is where I'll be ending it here because good god I cannot find more ideas to add with. That is all from what I observed so far.
If I recall correctly, KR is not to make the fight easier. KR effectively doubles the damage Sans does, since it adds one KR for every hit, and that KR then takes away 1 HP. KR can keep you alive for a little longer, but overall it's probably easier without it. It would pretty be thematically weird if Karma in the Genocide route helped you. (This is from what I remember from wiki scrolling and playing. Not sure if it's super accurate.) There's also a little more I can add to this list: 13. KR is Karma. Not Karmic Retribution or anything similar; this is proven by the flavor text showing "Doomed to death of KARMA!" if you somehow get a nearly impossible high karma amount. Only possible on 1 attack with RNG, if I remember right. 14. Sans has an unused sprite of him with his hands clenched, sort of like the shrug. Might've been used in the fight, but it isn't, probably because it looks pretty weird for Sans to do such a dramatic pose. Some fangames and fan animations bring it back, though. 15. Sans switches out of his Comic Sans font and uses capital letters in the first intro. Sans also does this when telling Frisk they "...You'd be dead where you stand." Even with some of his more dramatic lines, like in the Neutral endings, he doesn't bother to change his grammar. This is one of the only parts where he actually does. 16. According to Sans, he knows how many times you've died based on your expression alone (up to 11 times before stopping). I kind of understand why people first thought he remembered resets, because *dear God* that is a weird talent. It also seems that Sans can tell that you've killed him before by the look on your face. 17. There was a theory that Sans' sleeping Zs at the end of the fight were in the "Aster" font, which connected him to W.D. Gaster again. However, I looked it up, and apparently it doesn't fit well enough and is more likely a custom Z.
12:57 Immo, saddest death in undertale is Toriel’s death on genocide. She realises the real ones to protect wasn’t you from the monsters, but the monsters from you. But she didnt because she was blinded by her love and care over you, and when you fight her, cannonically, she cloud one shot you, she has 80 atk. But she didn’t, she cared about you, so ahe didnt go as harsh as she would. Tough.. if she were to fight you, knowing you killed the monsters, she would definetly kill Frisk.
Y’know, sometimes I wonder… what if Sans never fought you? He’d be much less popular, obviously, but he’d also make it so that you’d have to fight Asgore at LOVE 19. Granted, you’ll still probably oneshot him, but it makes me wonder. Would the fandom view Sans as a coward? A meme character who gives empty threats? Would they forget him entirely? It really makes you appreciate the fact that he decided to fight you.
He'd remain more of a mysterious obscure character since we'd lack some crucial characterization without this fight. His "bad time" threat in Snowdin would be largely interpreted as a warning for Chara deleting the world and there would be a lot of theorization on how he could know that. Aside from that, he would never reach the degree of importance on internet culture the way he did. Honestly I genuinely believe Undertale as a whole wouldn't be as much of a worldwide hit without this fight
@@bionicleapple1254nah, sans would probably gain more popularity as Undertale makes a sequel to itself with Sans taking a bigger role, where Chara is the main villain and you can play as Sans to try to defeat Chara Or you can play as Chara and fight Sans
Sans fight is kinda funny because what people got from it is that "sans can beat goku!!!!!!" When in reality, he is just a massive troll that is trying to make the player rage quit lol... oh and also good video, thanks for reminding me how good this battle was
The sans fight isn’t overrated. The other fights are just underrated in comparison. We’ve already mentioned the buildup. Even in other routes besides genocide we’ve seen it. But what is often overlooked is that it ties the narrative of “don’t you have anything better to do?” In a nice little bow. Milking the game for all that it has until there is nothing left- the perverted sentimentality that comes with it. You’re just left with an empty feeling inside after you finally beat sans. It isn’t ceremonious- it’s just sad.
IKR 😅you don’t even get to “kill” sans, and at least Frisk Kills Asgore before Flowey steals a kill… no, It’s Chara that kills sans, not you. You got kill stolen from you, adding another layer of sadness to the fight. YOU didn’t really kill Sans. If Chara wasn’t there, who knows how Powerful Sans truly is…
@@orrorsaness5942 I’m sorry but this isn’t a testament to how powerful sans is- this is a testament to how far sans was willing to go to get YOU as the player to quit. Sure, sans is strong as shit. But he wouldn’t have gotten as far as he did if he played by the rules. Sans admits it himself that he KNOWS he can’t beat you. All chara did was ensure the fight didn’t drag on longer than it needed to.
"The trickster has been tricked" Actually, Sans being the culmination of your curiosity is really the coolest fight. If Asriel (surprisingly, even being the most meta-character) is a best end of the story (I mean, neutral endings are good, but they don't have unique bossfight), Snas is the end of YOUR adventure in this world (if you did all other things before genocide), which makes him so popular in eyes of community. I mean, that's how I see it now. Thanks for video!)
the pain i felt when i heard "papyrus, do you want anything?" was beyond infinite. theres no way u can feel it, unless empathy is with you, or something...
There's some nice irony in that not only is Sans eventually beaten because of his narcolepsy, but even then; after attacking you in the menu, betrayal killing you and holding his turn forever, he falls because not only do you break the game and force your soul to the fight button; but even after he dodges that, he ultimately gets hit because you automatically attack again. For all his tricks and almost cheat like abilities, it's a similar game rule break that kills him.
Think the best part of the fight was the dialogue, it tells you that your geno route did much more than just making you stronger. Also the Sans fight IS TO DAMN HARD!
The part of Sans' fight that resonates most with me is the fact that he's still keeping his promise during it. He KNOWS you just come back so really it doesn't matter if he kills you, and he's actively trying to get you to QUIT rather than just kill you. Undyne tries to kill you but Sans tries to stop you, because as he said, if you take another step forward... You're REALLY not going to like what happens next. Once you enter the throne room, the game is over and he can't keep you from doing something you'll regret anymore. That's it.
The best thing about this fight is that it's fair and balenced. If this fight was just "random bullshit go" that would give most people NO motivation to keep trying to beat him. This fight is GENIUSLY CRAFTED.
The sans fight in my opinion was one if not the best fight in the whole game, we got Megalovania, we have the funny bone man trying to kill us, it was so well put together and thought out I just loved it every time you dirty brother killer Also why does sans bleed lol
I have two theories : 1- It's not blood but determination (after all, the once super lazy and funny skeleton had only one thing in his mind : MAKE YOU QUIT AND RESET) 2- The blood is just a way toby used to make you depress about the situation. You killed everyone in your way because of your curiosity, your DETERMINATION and look where it drives you. That's why OG genocide route will never be surpassed : it's so frickin well written in every way possible (sans fight, undyne fight, chara's monologue, mettaton getting destroyed or just the fact that you almost killed a FRICKIN CHILD) everything is perfect in this route. Everything is perfect in this game.
I love sans in all his goofy glory, the fact he goes out of his way to make you feel even more guilty for your already diabolical sins is one of my favorite parts of the entire game in terms of "Genocide" its definitely not hard to see why this man was arguably what generated this games large fandom. so all I can say is this "Fuck you Sans but also I love you"
*"You feel your sins crawling up your back."* That's right, a monster that at first we have only seen as someone lazy and ignorant of your actions, SANS, comes to you to punish the terrible actions you committed, making you suffer again and again what you have made others suffer. monsters. Gloating and mocking your constant failure, being aware that you have restarted the battle over and over again, even making you think that he can forgive you and give you a chance, STABBING you in the back as a sign that you NO longer have forgiveness for what you caused. Honestly, I never understood why people (fandom) make Sans seem like some kind of vigilante or vengeful hero, if the joke of the combat is the mockery of your attempt to feel like a powerful genocide, when he is beating you up! Someone who is not even at the heels of your power, the irony that a lazy monster weaker than you is the one who is destroying your pride! Indeed, it is cinema. PS: comment based, VERY BASED, on another commented video. PD 2: Good vid! Happy Anniversary Undertale! ^_^
I feel like you should have talked about the build up to Sans fight. I feel like it is part of what makes it so great. Though then again, this video is intended to be short so...
I find ironic how, when everyone dies, Sans is pratically forced to fight you because he knows he's the only one left that can actually stop you. Also yes, the build up of the fight is perfect, not only because shows Sans and his relation with the human between all the other routes, but because (I think) he's the character you spend more time with in the game.
I think characters you spend the most time with were actually Alphys(calls) and Mettaton because of his shows. Maybe, Papyrus if you go on date with him
8:41 I think the intro attack of the fight against Sans was actually the strongest he had, but the ending is more like an act of desperation throwing all the shit he can and even using the soul slam as an ineffective attempt to kill you
Honestly, the sans fight just alone and with the extra details and context of Undertale is just what makes this fight really one memorable boss fight of a lifetime It’s kinda of a shame that everyone just flocked to it and started copying the fight without knowing the full compelling elements of the fight and had it overshadow everything else for a while I’m quite happy we’re kinda past that now And I would like to see a video analyzing Chara Dreemurr and who they really are, especially considering we now know their favorite number is 9
The Sans fight is phenomenal. It deserves the praise it gets. It flips the dynamic on its side and makes you feel like the monster. He breaks the fourth wall by remove invincibility frames, safety in the menu, ability to attack, flee and even spare. Heck, he even takes the first move, and I love his special attack being nothing. I've heard a couple people say it's underwhelming and they are right, and it's a good thing that it is. At the end of the day, Sans is still a lazy skeleton who can't even put his sock away. I don't think there will ever be a fight like Sans'.
The way I interpreted sans’ “spare” is that killing you was the spare. When he says that if you’re really his friend, you won’t come back, what he means is that you’ll reset and go back on everything and not continue fighting. That’s why when you don’t do that he says don’t tell the other sanses, because he believed that you would make the right choice
OUGH I LOVE THIS VIDEO SO MUCH It points out a lot of the same stuff ive always had to bring up in discussions about his fight AAAAA Incoming rant: Sans’ fight and Papyrus’ murder. During Sans’ fight, like you pointed out, THERES A LOT OF REFERENCES TO PAPYRUS IN IT Like first, starting with his strongest attack, asking you before if you if you believe “anybody can be a good person if they just try”, and the concept of just having a “special attack”. Even throwing in a petty “Sound familiar?”. Not to mention, some of his attacks are the exact same as Papyrus’, just harder- Sans’ fights whole point is to show you that he is not like his brother. He is not going to play fair. You aren’t either, after all. His goal is to show you how much easier things could be if you had just NOT committed a genocide. If you just RE-SET. Something you also put in that I LOVE and also have more to say on- is the fact that they both spare you, and you blind sided papyrus so sans blind sides you. Both of their speeches even carry the same beats, with the whole acknowledgment that youre a “freaking weirdo” but then suggesting that we can all just be friends agin. Of course Sans’ way of “all being friends again” is a bit… different- but in the end, he is actually giving you a chance at becoming a better person by resetting. They also BOTH have a “hug of acceptance.” Sans opens his arms, and welcomes you into what seems like a friendly hug. saying “c’mere, pal” Also both of the fights end with them exhausted. No essay just really fucking weird and sad and I wanna cry.
What amplifies his death even more for me is that he really means it when he says "Don't say I didn't warn you" because if you do a pacifist route after, you can't. Sure you can technically do it all the same and get the ending, but Chara has your soul, and there's nothing you can do to stop that. It's even better for someone like me who did geno first, cus now a TRUE pacifist is out of the question. I've only ever gotten the soulless pacifist end, not true pacifist. Also, call me an idiot because for some reason I still don't fully get his last quote. It's sad I, guess, but what does he mean by it?
Also that he knows your weakness. You cant rely on i-frames, every weapon is useless, the first time we see a poison mechanic, as you said it takes IRL determination to win, he gives us the feeling that he is speaking to us the player AND we feel unsatisfied after killing him making us wonder if it was worth it The fight feels more like you are having an actual fight, the theme ROCKS (the classic megalovania it just fits the moment more than any remix).
As much as I don't like UT, I love the ideas put into this final fight. It really does feel like it's not Sans, but the game which is throwing everything at you to make you forfeit. Throwing in a comic relief due to everyone else being down or in shelters, making the patterns kaizo-hard, introducing new mechanics out of the blue (like KARMA and menu attacks) and throwing in a puzzle segment at the end that's tricky to figure out blind, when all of them up until this point were mainly obvious and pretty much there for filler.
I agree, though I think sometimes people give it too much attention, or outright flanderize it in the case of his character and the fight. Like, sans is a good character, but there can be too much of him, like any good thing
sans fight success not only comes from subverting everything undertale has taught you but subverting the entire rpg system as a whole. Toby already expanded on the idea of changing how rpg fights worked with its battle system but sans takes that a step further by cheating the very functions of a normal RPG in every way. The enemy attacks first, he gets to attack you while it’s your turn in a turn based battle, he completely dodges an attack he’s suppose to take, and he cheats the entire system of a turn based fight by refusing to even take his turn in the end. In a way it’s almost like Sans is the most “human” thing you fight because he somehow understands the mechanics and rule sets of his own universe.
Glad that you made a video on this fight since sadly nowadays I feel like everyone dismisses this fight in favor of the undyne genocide fight manly due to how popular it is. Which is sad since as you said, this fight aspects to Sans never seen in the pacifist route.
Honestly…Sans Fight is my type of fight…and I think why it “Overshadows” the other fights is cause…1:Their isn’t any really good fights…the only good fights come from the bosses…and 2:Sans is awsome and became (a lot of people’s favourites…he’s my personal favourite & his fight)
Another layer of irony is that at the end, Sans' plan would surely have made many people think the game is softlocked and quit, but his dialogue is sprinkled in a way that fuels the player's curiosity just a bit more. The very same curiosity that led us here.
If you think about it, quitting and never playing when you get to sans must be awful. You've killed nearly everyone, and you've left sans to deal with it.
I genuinely feel as if the Sans fight is incomplete without the rest of Genocide's bosses. The fight against Undyne the Undying clearly happens because she's given plot armor, as she survives through a mortal hit and transforms. By all means, Undyne is the underground's hero and is being uplifted by the story to match the human. Then by the time you fight Mettaton and watch him transform, it feels expected for the game to give you more strong bosses as your reward for your hard work. But Mettaton's moment is ripped away, and it truly feels wrong. It's as if you've become unnaturally powerful; even more powerful than the game itself. There's surely no more challenges ahead if not even the game can hold you back at this point... Right? Only because of this set-up, Sans becomes a force that's hard to measure.
YK, whoever discovered the Genocide route first must have been so shocked when they find out that Sans is the final boss of the genocide route after replaying the game like hundreds of times, and the peak of this fight would hit so hard for someone who doesn't know that you fight Sans
Honestly the thing i love about the Sans fight is that unlike shitty fangames he is actually very skill based,good players can absolutely destroy and react to everything he does even while playing blind,honestly i think the Sans fight is a great base design for people who want to make good fangame fights but still keep it challenging. Just make things reactable but precise and easy to understand like the Sans fight and no matter what you add,unless it is simply put stupid,it will be fun play.
You mention undertale fights and everyone thinks "S A N S U N D E R T A L E" but i mean, photoshop flowey, asgore and asriel (i think the last one was a bit overkill) are very cool
We need boss fights even if it’s not sans to capture what Toby did. And stop making them genocide it’s getting kinda boring. Make them be multiple choices, sans’s fight was perfect but it overshadowed everything else. But if you ignore that and don’t gaslight it. It fits perfectly
I thought the song at the beginning was a cover of Sneaky Snitch in the Sans. Soundfont and got disappointed because that would have been a funny af choice.
It's just to bad it overshadowed other to be quite frankly superior moment's in the game such as the scene where undyne transforms into undyne the undying the monster's in new home explaining the story of the dreemurs undynes neutral death and flowey explaining his origin and they made sans the main focus of everything overshadowing every other character
The sans we see in other AUS and fanmade project is almost every time not even close to being the real sans. This community has great stuff, but people forget why undertale is such a good game and why it was popular in the first place.
It's kinda sad how Sans's battle overshadowed other great Undertale fights like the greater dog encounter and the Napstablook fight
@@Military_base01 how could you forget the whimsun fight
How could you forget mettaton neo and is intense fight
You forgot the amazing Monster kid figth
Ohh....... thank you...
Although....I don't really mind not being the story's beam of light .....nor....I feelin up to it...heh.....
Hey i like Undyne and most of Mettaton battle and minigame
Another thing is that not only is sans trying to make you rage quit but he also tries to reason with you, constantly talking about how you can reset at any time and he won’t remember any of this, saying you can really still be friends if you just turn back now, while also incorporating his personality into the fight to remind you all the good times you’ve had and how it really still can be back to normal if you’ll just reset
Honestly I hate anyone who only sees sans killing you when you spare him as him betraying you. He specifically states that “if we’re really friends, you won’t come back.” He’s not just making you angry for the sake of it, he’s giving you the opportunity to go back, because at this point sparing Sans, Asgore and whoever else is left isn’t enough. Once you come back, he says “well, I guess that means we never really WERE friends, but don’t tell that to the other sans’s.” Speaking of which, I don’t get everybody using that as a way to explain AUs, as it’s pretty clear he’s just talking about the other iterations of sans that are murdering you.
I like how fans went from:
YOU KILLED MY BROTHER NOW YOU PAY!1!1
To:
Kay you fucked up everything now you die
I mean you can see an evolution in understanding sans
If only that was true
Sans went from being misunderstood as very emotional
To being misunderstood as not emotional at all
He gets very noticeably pissed when you kill papyrus, but nowadays people act like he doesn’t care
@@arandomgamer9317Well better then tears in the rain ig!
Now i wonder what the fandom would turn out to be if canon stuff was loved more back in the day
@@JawsingthejawsNo dusttale or killer sans
@@EnzoGranzottonuh uh i think those concepts can be okay with cannon if you get them correctly
In sans's fight, the roles are exchanged. Sans is the hero, and we're the monster. We're a bit the one that initiate the fight, sans attacks first, dodge, and can betrayal kill.
I also heard a theory saying that megalovania is the players theme. Considering that megalovania is similar to the word megalomaniac. Which would be a good description for the player in the genocide route.
@@somethingclever4297 ye. Plus, there isn't any sans leitmotif in the song
@@somethingclever4297 ye. Plus, there isn't any sans leitmotif in the song
also the fact that he can sit and do nothing forever just like how you can sit in the menu and do nothing in other fights (even though it doesn't help you or anything)
I edit this comment so that nothing makes sense xD
The way I see Sans fught is honestly connected to how he speaks with Susie in Deltarune: He's a janitor, not a cashier.
He's quite literally the only guy left to be in the role as the final boss, so he decides to dig his slippers and commits to being the ultimate troll of boss battles. In other words (in my opinion): he isn't the final boss, he's just the other guy.
you sort of highlighted it but by far my favourite detail in this fight comes from sans's dialogue saying 'my special attack. sound familiar?' because the only way that would sound familiar would be if you had fought papyrus in a neutral route. masterful writing on tobys part honestly the fact he could predict most players would do a neutral route first and in most cases be absolutely spot on in that prediction is awesome. (though the genocide route is very much designed to not be something you do as your first route and stumble upon accidentally so i suppose that helps)
i feel like sans there is so menacing because he says "survive THIS!" to the player and truly asserts that you are the anomaly so hes able to make that reference because he knows his brother best
(For what we spoke about in discord) being a sans fan at 2024 is hard considering the fandom was on this phase on "if this has sans, it's bad" but I feel people uses the "overrated" excuse too much to thrash on the character sans was a well written character, people loves him for a reason and his fame is honestly deserver along with having the best fight in the entire game, I'm practically sure as hell toby planned it to succeed, flowey telling you sans is dangerous his constant threats "you'd be dead where you stand" all is right there. Sans sweep.
Oh yeah glad to say I gave a bit of ideas with the parallels the sans fight has to papyrus and Chara's dialogues 😁
People shit on Sans AUs, because they are too overwhelming and trashy so they deserve it
People still like the original Sans fight though
meh disagree, people shits on sans aus because they like to hate on everything ngl, most i meet just think sans aus are just sans powerful ererer instead of actually taking time to read an au and maybe see theyll like it
There is a good au like horrortale@@Based_Gal01
@@narrativeless404 But the problem is when they hate on AU's who use Sans as the main/big focus, EVEN WHEN ITS DONE WELL (IE: Horrortale). It's not even about the Sans AU's/Variants being trashy, its just about them being Sans.
Sans is my favorite character in fiction period. I played Undertale for the first time back in 2018 on the switch, and it took me 2-3 years to beat him because I gave up for a time, the only time I had ever given up on a fight, and I respect the hell out of him for it and many other things. My favorite part of his fight is that he’s just screwing with you, taunting you to give up, which is something I wish I could see in other games. He’s hilarious, he’s creative, and he doesn’t bother following the rules of the game because why should he, you killed everyone he knew.
but hes not the great papyrus.
(also pacifism better)
Beyond all the serious stuff, Sans is just silly. That's why I personally like him.
@@Pudcup yeah......he also likes spacy topics.........me too
6:57 he doesnt really *betray* you, its more since you can canonically only reset if you die, he is basically giving you the chance to reset, to 'go back on everything you've worked up to', hence him saying 'if we're really friends... you won't come back.'.
That actually does make sense
Papaya, I remembre your stand ther and take it.
Sand, I rmembr you’re dunké on the hyuman.
Human, i remember you're genocides
Undine, i remrembror you're, undaynging
@@LuisPotato Undine I remember your melting(gaster in background)
Undertale Characters Getting What They Want
Chara: (Manipulates you into regretting what you did to take your SOUL.)
Sans: lol you died 11 times.
Dialogue after you died for the third time:
* you died thrice in a row.
hey, what comes after "thrice," anyway?
wanna help me find out?
Dialogue after you died for the third time:
* you died thrice in a row.
hey, what comes after "thrice," anyway?
wanna help me find out?
"let's just get to the point"
Chara's not evil
@@zekeram129 course he isnt
I feel that, gameplay wise, the sans fight is most dramatic when you first see it because, like omega flowey, the difficulty of his bossfight is caused by his breaking the regular game interface, and after some time the surprise of him dodging fades away, especially after every fangame has it.
A lot of fangames just give up making a Sans fight unique, so they start making him just block or tank attacks, I feel like a unique take for a Sans game could maybe be have Sans make you avoid him instead directly dodging your attacks, like in that one underswap fangame.
@@enigmaticencounterlol3277 An underswap papyrus fight game legit allowed him to use his orange soul to legit move your attack out of his way. It was crazy!
@@ivanthehighman177cool
In my mind, the "don't say I didn't warn you" line is one of my favorites. The entire time Sans has been warning the player about having a bad time and what comes next. He's not talking about himself, he's talking about what truly comes next, the erasure of the universe. It recontextualizes his prior words about him giving you a bad time to something way worse. It's such genius foreshadowing
When I was around 10-11 I always used to tell my one friend about Undertale and always asked him "do you wanna have a bad time" to the point that it kinda annoyed him
Frozen moment.
@@CalvinNoiretrue
Guess most people forget in a way the second half of the Sans fight constitutes a phase 2. Though it may be a silly thing to suggest, it would be funny if Toby trolled us by claiming there was a new phase 2 in a future announcement, only to reveal that it’s just the second half of the OG fight, just with the scrapped Sans boss theme.
"he's just gonna stand still and take it"
Yeah no wonder Sans isn't gonna stand there and take it. He learned that from his brother 💀
(in the Genocide route, obviously. Don’t take this out of context.)
💀
NO
Please rephrase it. (I know you edited the comment but still, REPHRASE IT)
"He's only got one hp!"
*Inner rage*
For me, the sans fight is a masterpiece in accomplishing what it intends to do, the rest of the murder route tends to do things that really bore the players and while that is the point and it’s well done it’s not enjoyable gameplay wise, the sans fight on the other hand gives an unfair challenge that’s still fun because it’s gaming instinct to want to overcome a challenge
Sans knows the nature of the world he’s in, and so he can manipulate those aspects, it’s a great way to show his desperation since he knows this is the one path where the world WON’T be reset, the only thing that will be permenant, if he fails
So his plan? Annoy you, piss you off, get you bored and tired by making you go through the same thing over and over, a dash of irony as he believes that’s what you’ve been doing to him
Something I literally never see brought up ever is the line “Our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum”
While I’m happy more people are recognizing sans doesn’t flat out remember you’re genocides, I feel like people downplay how much he knows…
Also, what’s up with the “our”? I never see people look into that.
(Also the part with him talking about going back, and then saying that getting to the surface also doesn’t appeal raises some eyebrows)
THIS. WHO IS "OUR"??? WHY DOES NOBODY TALK ABOUT THAT??? I've wondered that for YEARS now and nobody ever seems to bring it up!
Honestly the "our" really needs to be talked about more because at the very least it implies that at some point Sans and at least one other person had machinery cool enough to tell them of the anomaly that is the player. Either that or that by "our" he means the monsterkind as a whole. Whichever it is I doubt it got something to do with Gaster
@@justagreenpearalphys?
Honestly, i just saw the "our" as a joke on how weather podcasters describe the weather situation on tv, which kinda(?) fits since mettaton was the last monster before the sans fight
I forget, does alphys EVER bring up anything about resets,- whether it be acknowledging them subtly or reacting to one in a similar manner to how Toriel remembers your pie preferences?
It's very easy to get caught up in his reputation, and his fanon, which is why i love watching people play geno blind, cause...GOD DAAAMN sans is handled PERFECTLY, and most people really do feel the same way as sans describes in his "Special Attack" (Which, you might have commented on, but i didnt finish the video yet :p)
I'd like to point out a few details I've noticed, having watched this fight a hundred times (and probably more):
1. It's obvious, but Sans takes advantage of the loopholes the battle system has. Getting your first turn? Sans uses that against you. Trying to attack him? He dodges that. Hoping your armor can protect you against his attacks? Doesn't matter because KR is what makes your invincibility frames essentially non-existent. Hell, he attacks you while it's your turn, and sparing him results in him killing you, akin to the betrayal kills you do. In culmination of this, his special attack is nothing, ensuring he can stall and waste more of your precious time.
2. It's a bit of a stretch, but his eye represents Patience and Justice, the former having the patience to troll murderers like you and the latter giving justice for most of the monsters you killed.
3. Sans doesn't put anything at all in his attacks. What makes Papyrus' attacks different is that his bones move around vertically. In addition, he puts a lot of passion in his bones, as seen in his final attack. Finally, Papyrus' bones disappear upon hitting you while Sans bones' don't, which is intentional in order to make Sans infamously hard as he is.
4. He doesn't use Gaster Blasters and Bones in the same place. Sure, it may look like he's using both of them in some of his attacks, but not once has he ever done them at the same time.
5. Sans does the "4-directional gravitation slam" bone attack 5 times, the last being implemented in his penultimate attack.
6. There are no orange bones here, despite what others may say. One of the first instances orange bones are used is Disbelief Papyrus.
7. Most of his dialogue suggests his true nature, and the reason why he's so nihilistic in the first place. So just to sum it up, Sans can't really bother anything to try because everything will just be reset in the end. The only reason why he's fighting you is because the thought of a world being erased motivated him to do so.
8. Sans' fight is much more deadly without KR. If I recall correctly, KR keeps you alive even when you don't have health until it runs out. So it's probably put here for gimmick purposes to make the lack of invincibility frames feel fair.
9. You cannot continue the fight if you don't make an attack, indicated by Sans not talking if you do anything other than attack. So you're pretty much on an endless loop of Sans' attacks until you keep attacking.
10. Sans has two phases. It's obvious, however Sans Fangames make it more apparent by adding separate fights per phase like Last Breath does. This fight doesn't, as it's just a single fight with two phases, no checkpoints in-between.
11. As a result of fighting him, Serious Mode is activated here. It's why Instant Noodles function differently here, along with a few items not making noises upon consumption.
12. The amount of numbers listed here is the same as Sans' unique pre-fight dialogues every time you die. Which is where I'll be ending it here because good god I cannot find more ideas to add with.
That is all from what I observed so far.
What does getting in serious mode have to do with noodles healing more?
@@fabricio-245 Basically, it gives 90 HP as you eat the Noodles dry instead.
If I recall correctly, KR is not to make the fight easier. KR effectively doubles the damage Sans does, since it adds one KR for every hit, and that KR then takes away 1 HP. KR can keep you alive for a little longer, but overall it's probably easier without it. It would pretty be thematically weird if Karma in the Genocide route helped you. (This is from what I remember from wiki scrolling and playing. Not sure if it's super accurate.)
There's also a little more I can add to this list:
13. KR is Karma. Not Karmic Retribution or anything similar; this is proven by the flavor text showing "Doomed to death of KARMA!" if you somehow get a nearly impossible high karma amount. Only possible on 1 attack with RNG, if I remember right.
14. Sans has an unused sprite of him with his hands clenched, sort of like the shrug. Might've been used in the fight, but it isn't, probably because it looks pretty weird for Sans to do such a dramatic pose. Some fangames and fan animations bring it back, though.
15. Sans switches out of his Comic Sans font and uses capital letters in the first intro. Sans also does this when telling Frisk they "...You'd be dead where you stand." Even with some of his more dramatic lines, like in the Neutral endings, he doesn't bother to change his grammar. This is one of the only parts where he actually does.
16. According to Sans, he knows how many times you've died based on your expression alone (up to 11 times before stopping). I kind of understand why people first thought he remembered resets, because *dear God* that is a weird talent. It also seems that Sans can tell that you've killed him before by the look on your face.
17. There was a theory that Sans' sleeping Zs at the end of the fight were in the "Aster" font, which connected him to W.D. Gaster again. However, I looked it up, and apparently it doesn't fit well enough and is more likely a custom Z.
....he really did...turn knowledge into strength............
12:57 Immo, saddest death in undertale is Toriel’s death on genocide.
She realises the real ones to protect wasn’t you from the monsters, but the monsters from you. But she didnt because she was blinded by her love and care over you, and when you fight her, cannonically, she cloud one shot you, she has 80 atk. But she didn’t, she cared about you, so ahe didnt go as harsh as she would. Tough.. if she were to fight you, knowing you killed the monsters, she would definetly kill Frisk.
How about neutral Undyne, tsunderplane or muffet?
@@ghasty2570 I have no doubt undyne could beat us, and muffet definitely stands a chance, but what's so special about tsundereplane?
@@drysoup3017 I'm talking about their deaths, lol
@@ghasty2570 Oh, my bad bro.
@@drysoup3017 its np lol
I think the fan games and au's made people forget what sans is originaly like
How to be popular: Be a short skeleton
Y’know, sometimes I wonder… what if Sans never fought you? He’d be much less popular, obviously, but he’d also make it so that you’d have to fight Asgore at LOVE 19. Granted, you’ll still probably oneshot him, but it makes me wonder. Would the fandom view Sans as a coward? A meme character who gives empty threats? Would they forget him entirely? It really makes you appreciate the fact that he decided to fight you.
That's a good question. . . Hmm.
He'd remain more of a mysterious obscure character since we'd lack some crucial characterization without this fight. His "bad time" threat in Snowdin would be largely interpreted as a warning for Chara deleting the world and there would be a lot of theorization on how he could know that. Aside from that, he would never reach the degree of importance on internet culture the way he did. Honestly I genuinely believe Undertale as a whole wouldn't be as much of a worldwide hit without this fight
@@bionicleapple1254agree
@@bionicleapple1254nah, sans would probably gain more popularity as Undertale makes a sequel to itself with Sans taking a bigger role, where Chara is the main villain and you can play as Sans to try to defeat Chara
Or you can play as Chara and fight Sans
@@orrorsaness5942 sounds like a fan game that would come after that theoretical version of Undertale
Sans fight is kinda funny because what people got from it is that "sans can beat goku!!!!!!" When in reality, he is just a massive troll that is trying to make the player rage quit lol... oh and also good video, thanks for reminding me how good this battle was
The sans fight isn’t overrated. The other fights are just underrated in comparison. We’ve already mentioned the buildup. Even in other routes besides genocide we’ve seen it. But what is often overlooked is that it ties the narrative of “don’t you have anything better to do?” In a nice little bow. Milking the game for all that it has until there is nothing left- the perverted sentimentality that comes with it. You’re just left with an empty feeling inside after you finally beat sans. It isn’t ceremonious- it’s just sad.
IKR 😅you don’t even get to “kill” sans, and at least Frisk Kills Asgore before Flowey steals a kill… no, It’s Chara that kills sans, not you. You got kill stolen from you, adding another layer of sadness to the fight. YOU didn’t really kill Sans. If Chara wasn’t there, who knows how Powerful Sans truly is…
@@orrorsaness5942 I’m sorry but this isn’t a testament to how powerful sans is- this is a testament to how far sans was willing to go to get YOU as the player to quit. Sure, sans is strong as shit. But he wouldn’t have gotten as far as he did if he played by the rules. Sans admits it himself that he KNOWS he can’t beat you. All chara did was ensure the fight didn’t drag on longer than it needed to.
@@dennmenn99 amen 🙏
"The trickster has been tricked"
Actually, Sans being the culmination of your curiosity is really the coolest fight. If Asriel (surprisingly, even being the most meta-character) is a best end of the story (I mean, neutral endings are good, but they don't have unique bossfight), Snas is the end of YOUR adventure in this world (if you did all other things before genocide), which makes him so popular in eyes of community.
I mean, that's how I see it now. Thanks for video!)
the pain i felt when i heard "papyrus, do you want anything?" was beyond infinite. theres no way u can feel it, unless empathy is with you, or something...
There's some nice irony in that not only is Sans eventually beaten because of his narcolepsy, but even then; after attacking you in the menu, betrayal killing you and holding his turn forever, he falls because not only do you break the game and force your soul to the fight button; but even after he dodges that, he ultimately gets hit because you automatically attack again. For all his tricks and almost cheat like abilities, it's a similar game rule break that kills him.
Think the best part of the fight was the dialogue, it tells you that your geno route did much more than just making you stronger. Also the Sans fight IS TO DAMN HARD!
pov get in a accident, memories of undertale erased
replays it
profit
The part of Sans' fight that resonates most with me is the fact that he's still keeping his promise during it.
He KNOWS you just come back so really it doesn't matter if he kills you, and he's actively trying to get you to QUIT rather than just kill you.
Undyne tries to kill you but Sans tries to stop you, because as he said, if you take another step forward... You're REALLY not going to like what happens next.
Once you enter the throne room, the game is over and he can't keep you from doing something you'll regret anymore. That's it.
11:43 to be a big shot
The best thing about this fight is that it's fair and balenced.
If this fight was just "random bullshit go" that would give most people NO motivation to keep trying to beat him.
This fight is GENIUSLY CRAFTED.
The sans fight in my opinion was one if not the best fight in the whole game, we got Megalovania, we have the funny bone man trying to kill us, it was so well put together and thought out I just loved it every time you dirty brother killer
Also why does sans bleed lol
I have two theories :
1- It's not blood but determination (after all, the once super lazy and funny skeleton had only one thing in his mind : MAKE YOU QUIT AND RESET)
2- The blood is just a way toby used to make you depress about the situation.
You killed everyone in your way because of your curiosity, your DETERMINATION and look where it drives you.
That's why OG genocide route will never be surpassed : it's so frickin well written in every way possible (sans fight, undyne fight, chara's monologue, mettaton getting destroyed or just the fact that you almost killed a FRICKIN CHILD) everything is perfect in this route.
Everything is perfect in this game.
I like to think sans intentionally put ketchup there to manipulate you into feeling bad, same thing with him mentioning papyrus at the end
Bone marrow ig?
@@aperson6637 true
@@floranmaelstaf2423 ya I kinda put that last part as a joke haha
I love sans in all his goofy glory, the fact he goes out of his way to make you feel even more guilty for your already diabolical sins is one of my favorite parts of the entire game in terms of "Genocide" its definitely not hard to see why this man was arguably what generated this games large fandom. so all I can say is this "Fuck you Sans but also I love you"
I didn't expect that you were going to use ii - MEGALOVANIA in this vid, it's my favorite megalo remix
PLOT TWIST: Based_Guy01 is just an italian monster kid running the channel
*WELCOME TO GAME THEOR-* I mean *FILM THEORY!!!*
*"You feel your sins crawling up your back."*
That's right, a monster that at first we have only seen as someone lazy and ignorant of your actions, SANS, comes to you to punish the terrible actions you committed, making you suffer again and again what you have made others suffer. monsters.
Gloating and mocking your constant failure, being aware that you have restarted the battle over and over again, even making you think that he can forgive you and give you a chance, STABBING you in the back as a sign that you NO longer have forgiveness for what you caused.
Honestly, I never understood why people (fandom) make Sans seem like some kind of vigilante or vengeful hero, if the joke of the combat is the mockery of your attempt to feel like a powerful genocide, when he is beating you up!
Someone who is not even at the heels of your power, the irony that a lazy monster weaker than you is the one who is destroying your pride!
Indeed, it is cinema.
PS: comment based, VERY BASED, on another commented video.
PD 2: Good vid! Happy Anniversary Undertale! ^_^
I feel like you should have talked about the build up to Sans fight. I feel like it is part of what makes it so great. Though then again, this video is intended to be short so...
dude it really sucks how oversaturated the “do you wanna have a bad time?” line is, it was so jarring the first time you saw it
Am I the only one that knows it’s undertale’s birthday in my time zone?
No.... happy 9th anniversary....!
@@Napsta-blook22 yep happy birthhday undertale the effect on the community is worth 100 years for being so young
I find ironic how, when everyone dies, Sans is pratically forced to fight you because he knows he's the only one left that can actually stop you. Also yes, the build up of the fight is perfect, not only because shows Sans and his relation with the human between all the other routes, but because (I think) he's the character you spend more time with in the game.
I think characters you spend the most time with were actually Alphys(calls) and Mettaton because of his shows. Maybe, Papyrus if you go on date with him
8:41 I think the intro attack of the fight against Sans was actually the strongest he had, but the ending is more like an act of desperation throwing all the shit he can and even using the soul slam as an ineffective attempt to kill you
Honestly, the sans fight just alone and with the extra details and context of Undertale is just what makes this fight really one memorable boss fight of a lifetime
It’s kinda of a shame that everyone just flocked to it and started copying the fight without knowing the full compelling elements of the fight and had it overshadow everything else for a while
I’m quite happy we’re kinda past that now
And I would like to see a video analyzing Chara Dreemurr and who they really are, especially considering we now know their favorite number is 9
are we just not gonna acknowledge he's playing megalovania TWO in the background
The Sans fight is phenomenal. It deserves the praise it gets. It flips the dynamic on its side and makes you feel like the monster. He breaks the fourth wall by remove invincibility frames, safety in the menu, ability to attack, flee and even spare. Heck, he even takes the first move, and I love his special attack being nothing. I've heard a couple people say it's underwhelming and they are right, and it's a good thing that it is. At the end of the day, Sans is still a lazy skeleton who can't even put his sock away. I don't think there will ever be a fight like Sans'.
0:41 My guy, I'm pretty sure you meant analyze. Analize means something very different.
OOOH NOOOOO
Damn
The way I interpreted sans’ “spare” is that killing you was the spare. When he says that if you’re really his friend, you won’t come back, what he means is that you’ll reset and go back on everything and not continue fighting. That’s why when you don’t do that he says don’t tell the other sanses, because he believed that you would make the right choice
OUGH I LOVE THIS VIDEO SO MUCH It points out a lot of the same stuff ive always had to bring up in discussions about his fight AAAAA
Incoming rant: Sans’ fight and Papyrus’ murder.
During Sans’ fight, like you pointed out, THERES A LOT OF REFERENCES TO PAPYRUS IN IT Like first, starting with his strongest attack, asking you before if you if you believe “anybody can be a good person if they just try”, and the concept of just having a “special attack”. Even throwing in a petty “Sound familiar?”. Not to mention, some of his attacks are the exact same as Papyrus’, just harder-
Sans’ fights whole point is to show you that he is not like his brother. He is not going to play fair. You aren’t either, after all. His goal is to show you how much easier things could be if you had just NOT committed a genocide. If you just RE-SET.
Something you also put in that I LOVE and also have more to say on- is the fact that they both spare you, and you blind sided papyrus so sans blind sides you. Both of their speeches even carry the same beats, with the whole acknowledgment that youre a “freaking weirdo” but then suggesting that we can all just be friends agin. Of course Sans’ way of “all being friends again” is a bit… different-
but in the end, he is actually giving you a chance at becoming a better person by resetting. They also BOTH have a “hug of acceptance.” Sans opens his arms, and welcomes you into what seems like a friendly hug. saying “c’mere, pal”
Also both of the fights end with them exhausted. No essay just really fucking weird and sad and I wanna cry.
What amplifies his death even more for me is that he really means it when he says "Don't say I didn't warn you" because if you do a pacifist route after, you can't. Sure you can technically do it all the same and get the ending, but Chara has your soul, and there's nothing you can do to stop that. It's even better for someone like me who did geno first, cus now a TRUE pacifist is out of the question. I've only ever gotten the soulless pacifist end, not true pacifist.
Also, call me an idiot because for some reason I still don't fully get his last quote. It's sad I, guess, but what does he mean by it?
Also that he knows your weakness.
You cant rely on i-frames, every weapon is useless, the first time we see a poison mechanic, as you said it takes IRL determination to win, he gives us the feeling that he is speaking to us the player AND we feel unsatisfied after killing him making us wonder if it was worth it
The fight feels more like you are having an actual fight, the theme ROCKS (the classic megalovania it just fits the moment more than any remix).
As much as I don't like UT, I love the ideas put into this final fight. It really does feel like it's not Sans, but the game which is throwing everything at you to make you forfeit.
Throwing in a comic relief due to everyone else being down or in shelters, making the patterns kaizo-hard, introducing new mechanics out of the blue (like KARMA and menu attacks) and throwing in a puzzle segment at the end that's tricky to figure out blind, when all of them up until this point were mainly obvious and pretty much there for filler.
I agree, though I think sometimes people give it too much attention, or outright flanderize it in the case of his character and the fight. Like, sans is a good character, but there can be too much of him, like any good thing
12:00 The troll has been trolled.
sans fight success not only comes from subverting everything undertale has taught you but subverting the entire rpg system as a whole. Toby already expanded on the idea of changing how rpg fights worked with its battle system but sans takes that a step further by cheating the very functions of a normal RPG in every way. The enemy attacks first, he gets to attack you while it’s your turn in a turn based battle, he completely dodges an attack he’s suppose to take, and he cheats the entire system of a turn based fight by refusing to even take his turn in the end. In a way it’s almost like Sans is the most “human” thing you fight because he somehow understands the mechanics and rule sets of his own universe.
12:08
Yeah, if you want to talk about overkill damage, Sans has 1 HP, and the damage he takes is 9,999,999 damage!
Glad that you made a video on this fight since sadly nowadays I feel like everyone dismisses this fight in favor of the undyne genocide fight manly due to how popular it is. Which is sad since as you said, this fight aspects to Sans never seen in the pacifist route.
Is that sand undertale?!?!?!?!
Honestly…Sans Fight is my type of fight…and I think why it “Overshadows” the other fights is cause…1:Their isn’t any really good fights…the only good fights come from the bosses…and 2:Sans is awsome and became (a lot of people’s favourites…he’s my personal favourite & his fight)
The most important thing I remembered from this video:
9th Undertale anniversary newsletter reference:12:08
my favorite boss fight in UT still is the omega flowey fight, but yeah sans definitely is up there
Another layer of irony is that at the end, Sans' plan would surely have made many people think the game is softlocked and quit, but his dialogue is sprinkled in a way that fuels the player's curiosity just a bit more.
The very same curiosity that led us here.
A lil bit of D1 glazing when you said that it's maybe the best fight in gaming history, but with everything else I strongly agree.
If you think about it, quitting and never playing when you get to sans must be awful. You've killed nearly everyone, and you've left sans to deal with it.
it can really only be played once because after you win once it becomes way too easy and predictable
"I knew it was going to be hard, but f&*%ing h$%^. Five seconds into battle? Really?"
-Jacksepticeye
I genuinely feel as if the Sans fight is incomplete without the rest of Genocide's bosses. The fight against Undyne the Undying clearly happens because she's given plot armor, as she survives through a mortal hit and transforms. By all means, Undyne is the underground's hero and is being uplifted by the story to match the human. Then by the time you fight Mettaton and watch him transform, it feels expected for the game to give you more strong bosses as your reward for your hard work. But Mettaton's moment is ripped away, and it truly feels wrong. It's as if you've become unnaturally powerful; even more powerful than the game itself. There's surely no more challenges ahead if not even the game can hold you back at this point... Right?
Only because of this set-up, Sans becomes a force that's hard to measure.
I agree
didnt expect this
What’s your thoughts on the new Canon Chara content we got yesterday via the newsletter??
More chara content after a decade is crazy and i love it
the feeling of beating sans for the first time is something else.
YK, whoever discovered the Genocide route first must have been so shocked when they find out that Sans is the final boss of the genocide route after replaying the game like hundreds of times, and the peak of this fight would hit so hard for someone who doesn't know that you fight Sans
How to make an infuriating title 101:
I still haven't beat the sans fight on switch yet, especially after since i didnt play the game for almost a year....
Good, but overused and misunderstood. That’s literally the only way I can describe Sans’ fight.
It's Not that deep, every fandom have their favorite charater, so misunderstood and overused is basically normal thing now.
Perhaps there really was a living Papyrus. Theori-e-e-e-s!
Honestly the thing i love about the Sans fight is that unlike shitty fangames he is actually very skill based,good players can absolutely destroy and react to everything he does even while playing blind,honestly i think the Sans fight is a great base design for people who want to make good fangame fights but still keep it challenging.
Just make things reactable but precise and easy to understand like the Sans fight and no matter what you add,unless it is simply put stupid,it will be fun play.
Ah Sans. Ridiculous Influence... Can't help but Respect him... And I want others to get the Spotlight. Know what I mean. He had it for way too long.
You mention undertale fights and everyone thinks "S A N S U N D E R T A L E" but i mean, photoshop flowey, asgore and asriel (i think the last one was a bit overkill) are very cool
We need boss fights even if it’s not sans to capture what Toby did. And stop making them genocide it’s getting kinda boring. Make them be multiple choices, sans’s fight was perfect but it overshadowed everything else. But if you ignore that and don’t gaslight it. It fits perfectly
Off topic but I love your dimentio pfp
Sometimes I wonder if Sans would be as popular as he is if not for this fight
11:00 well guess that answers my question
5:07
hehe muscle memory
wonder where I've heard that before
He kinda overshadows other amazing fights tho
I don't even need to watch the video to say, that yes it was very good.
(It's just an opinion in case you ppl get any ideas--)
I thought the song at the beginning was a cover of Sneaky Snitch in the Sans. Soundfont and got disappointed because that would have been a funny af choice.
Papyrus, do you want anything..........
4:08 basedboy the master of editing!!1!!11!
Me when cool free effects
That is going to turn into a puppet from the puppet pipeline (no offense tho)
Sans' Battle used to be wonderful and the best but nowadays it continues to be
I think it's sad that Sans thinks that Asgore would stop you, but in reality he does nothing, knowing that there would be no point.
5:07
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I see what you did there
It's just to bad it overshadowed other to be quite frankly superior moment's in the game such as the scene where undyne transforms into undyne the undying the monster's in new home explaining the story of the dreemurs undynes neutral death and flowey explaining his origin and they made sans the main focus of everything overshadowing every other character
I mean it’s the og fight
The first time i see Sans, i thought he wear a mask.
Finally someone said that
The sans we see in other AUS and fanmade project is almost every time not even close to being the real sans. This community has great stuff, but people forget why undertale is such a good game and why it was popular in the first place.