If You Exercise This Way, Beware... w/ Alex Frank
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- Опубліковано 3 січ 2022
- This clip was taken from a recent livestream with Alex Frank. Watch the full interview here: • Is Yoga Evil? w/ (Form...
In this clip, Alex explains that movements and exercises by themselves aren't bad. But, yoga movements should be avoided because of their association with Hindu gods.
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I'm grateful you pushed until clarity was revealed. Now I want to know the back story of your guest.😊
Thanks for the clip! This really clarified things for me. I shied away from Yoga years ago after 2 things happened. 1 - the yoga class I went to at the local YMCA spontaneously had a class that was mostly chanting in some other language. Everyone proceeded as though this was as normal in a yoga class as stretching. I didn't go there for chanting. I never went back. 2 - I met a woman at a party who said she was a yogi. She said that in her yogi training they taught them that the physical practice cannot be separated from the spiritual practice of yoga. They both have to be part of it or you aren't doing yoga properly. That sealed it for me. I think I will try Pilates.
My sister-in-law went to yoga classes and liked them until she noticed a man behind her chanting prayers during the exercise; this made her uncomfortable, and she never returned. She spoke to a priest friend about it, and he said that the yoga practices might seem harmless, but you don't know what your fellow classmates are up to during the exercises, and she was wise to leave. She and my brother are now going to Planet Fitness and doing the 20-minute exercise circuit.
U can do yoga without the chanting and breathing(yoga have some kind of proper breathing???) by looking at youtube videos, i do some yoga poses for stretching but im not meditating or chanting
Not everything in yoga is a worship pose or form. “Plank pose” isn’t an asana for example. American teachers named it plank-asana just to work with alignment and use it to make you stronger. Remember - intention matters.
If you study yoga from India you’ll realize it’s quite painful and most Americans would pull something first trying it. Originally you just do the forms. You don’t warm up. So a lot of modern knowledge from gymnastics and somatic anatomy etc is incorporated into yoga, not the other way around. Something to think about.
For people who say “it’s just exercise”: As a former yogi, this is a very insulting and ignorant thing to say. It’s very similar in saying how capoeira is just exercise as well as most forms of martial arts.
Capoeira was created as a martial art disguised as a dance, so that slaves could learn to fight without triggering their masters.
Yoga in a similar way is a spiritual practice disguised as stretching.
Treating yoga purely as a stretch does not mean God is obliged to protect one from a demonic attack that could follow it.
The demons make their claim (especially in those that know and accept the risks). The Lord is always in control and may send His angels and fight it off.
But in some cases let's not pretend that He does not allow the evil spirits to get some success, if it helps ultimately to bring God His due glory, and to bring souls into closer relationship with the Lord by prayer, while teaching them a lesson.
Well that was eye opening. I have often kind of wondered about yoga. I've done yoga before and did see great health benefits but stopped practicing a few years back. The spiritual side of it always has concerned me. This really clarified some of what I was sensing.
I learned years ago on Women of Grace on EWTN ...DO NOT DO YOGA.
I understand that yoga may become a gateway drug, so to speak, for some. But, honestly, to assert every movement that may resemble yoga poses (one’s that you do to alleviate back pain or aid in relaxation) are a slippery slope to eternal damnation is a bit much. What next… should I run to my priest and beg forgiveness every time I bend at the waist, stretch my arms above my head, or (horror or horrors) reach down and touch my toes… on purpose? Sure, some people such as this guest may get themselves way deep into the mythology, philosophy, and religion, and we should be aware of and avoid these non-Catholic aspects. But, we must also diligently refrain from over the top fear mongering, too. Sometimes exercise really is just exercise. God bless!
Well said.
Intention matters. Yoga is designed transcend our physical bodies. It is designed to open us up to the spiritual world. So perhaps you just intend to stretch. Fine. However, you may eventually want more from it. It is not something I would try. I did yoga my whole life btw. When I stopped the Lord led me to Catholicism.
Well said. I have been struggling to make sense of this since yesterday because some poses are things people do in everyday life - Mountain pose is just standing up straight. Planks and lunges are exercises done outside of yoga. How does bending at the waist to stretch my lower back open myself up to demonic influence? It just doesn't make sense to me.
@pintswithaquinas thank you for this yoga series with Alex. Very informative. I was wondering if it would be possible to add text on the screen when guests are using specific terms . The 2 Hour interview with Alex would be much helpful if i could do additional research on different "gods" . Then again thanks, Merry Christmas and all the best this new ad 2022!
Matt, you should interview former yoga teacher Jessica Smith on this topic!
I think he simply means that actions can have consequences even if we don't intend those consequences.
As an example, I would point towards St. Paul's writings about receiving the Eucharist in an unworthy manner/state in 1 Corinthians. Receiving the Eucharist unworthily, even without us knowing, can have a detrimental effect on us. Because the Eucharist is our Lord and is not dependent on the receiving person's beliefs. Similar to the power in the Ark of the Covenant. If anyone that wasn't supposed to come into contact with it does, even if doing so unknowingly, could receive sickness or death.
In the same way, one participating in Yoga could potentially be opening oneself up to what Yoga actually is at it's core. And that is a spiritual exercise involving false gods. Even if we intend for them just to be exercises, they aren't. Very similar to using Ouija boards. Many kids play around with them not knowing what they actually are and they open themselves up to evil
Slight clarification, it seems that some people may misinterpret your comment to be saying that God will judge us for things that we do not actively will. As Christ says, “And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more” (Luke 12:47-48). In other words, if we are oppressed by demons, it is either because we actively willed it or God is allowing it for the sake of magnifying His glory to the world (e.g. Job or any victim soul).
The point of the video, I think, is that we can actually actively will demonic infiltration by participating in yoga *even if we do not superficially desire it* because we are involving ourselves in an activity that will subtly change our hearts to eventually desire that transgression. The analogy that Alex makes with Holy Mass is really good: just as Mass and receiving the Eucharist spiritually affects us by slowly changing our hearts to desire Christ, yoga can spiritually affect us by slowly changing our hearts to flee Christ.
@@adityaprathap780 Thank you for the clarification!
Should Catholics avoid Pontius Pilates? 😬
Nice to see someone else had made this connection. That's like the first thing a lot of people who get spooked by yoga seem to go to.
totally...it's a gateway. it draws you in. the chakras etc...that snuck up on me. it was surprising. i didn't realize then my pastor (I was protestant at the time) warned me of its roots, and i realized how far into it i was.
Great video thank u🙏🙏
I still have a really hard time seeing the problem with doing yoga. I have tried pilates and gotten nothing out of it, while yoga has helped me so much, purely from a physical standpoint, after my back and neck have been injured in multiple car accidents. You totally lost me in comparing it to the Catholic Mass, that doesn't make any sense to me at all. When I'm doing yoga, I'm sweating, struggling through the stretches, pushing myself to get through it, and days later my muscles are sore from the workout. For me, it is just exercise, one that stretches my back in ways that I desperately need.
yeah that seemed really silly. nobody goes to mass to get in shape.
So why not just stretch then? He said that Hinduism does not have a monopoly on body position. So put your body in stretching positions that you need and skip the side of the spiritually demonic that is Hinduism.
@@amybutler8337 I don't have anything to do with the spirituality of yoga. I do yoga videos on UA-cam that focus on the physical, not spiritual, and there are some poses that have hit exactly the right spot that needs to be stretched, that nothing else has. I guess I could do the pose and call it "stretching" instead of "yoga" but does that really matter?
@@fonduelol EXACTLY-I am a yoga instructor and an ardent Catholic. I have never said the words chakras, or hummed or chanted. It is purely a powerful and very physical practice that challenges and stretches. That’s it. Period. There are other classes that may fit their description, but there are plenty like mine. People gravitate to the class that gives them what they are looking for. My classes are full and again-purely physical.
@@Yogaluv59 That’s awesome! I have done pretty much every other type of exercise and have never had better results than I’ve had with yoga. My body feels stronger and I’ve stretched muscles I didn’t know I had, and I physically feel so much better overall. I don’t understand how that can be a bad thing.
I’m an ex kundalini yoga teacher and Christ delivered me.
tnx. really informative. now I knw
He admitted this is a question for Theologians. As I recall from looking into this years ago, the Church and Theologians have spoken on this and said it's okay so long as it's done for exercise and for natural benefits and not pagan reasons. In fact, as I recall, eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox in regions where yoga is common actually have unculturated these practices into Catholic/Orthodox Christianity.
I don't do yoga and am not super interested in it, but these arguments from him seem weak. It seems to me more about that he used to be involved in pagan stuff and now he feels convicted about practicing some of these innocent aspects of his former life because it reminds him of the less innocent aspects of that former life.
If you’re a faithful Christian that prays, goes to church, participates in sacraments, etc I just don’t see how some yoga poses will do you any harm, as long as your intent is to improve your physical body. Am I supposed to believe that my prayer and faith in God won’t protect me demons while doing a specific calf stretch or a lunge?
You…didn’t watch the video. At all.
he claims that western gymnastics is the origin of Yoga(false) .....yoga originated in India as a way to integrate the mind, body and soul.
the origin was a Hindu ritual that's true. however, your intention needs to be there to participate in the religous aspect.
for example, Judo and Jujitsu is from the samurai tradition but if you go to modern American gyms (I hesitate to call them dojo. because dojos teach samurai traditions and values) you will learn the techniques but no samurai traditions.
I find it interesting that the actual religious yogis, who make it clear they are worshiping, hate western commercial yoga as a bastardization of their faith and claim it can have dangerous repercussions if done by people who don't know what they are actually doing. Kinda lines up...
Yoga was a gateway to the new age for me.
Just lift weights with a full-range of motion and you will gain strength and remain, perhaps even gain, some flexibility. Problem solved.
Not an answer for everyone. There are people with specific physical conditions, and weight lifting can make those worse
Hindus always insist Yoga is at odds with Christianity - yoga means 'yoked' and we are yoking ourselves with the thousands of Hindu gods we invoke & worship when we adopt these poses - it means yoked folks - 'nuff said!!!
Is that where we get the word ‘Cali’fornia?
What about Tai Chi? The movements are self-defense moves, or so I'm told.
1 Corinthians 8 makes more sense of the issue I think.
I really prefer this ending to the video. The one where you open a beer is kind of corny. I'm saying this as an avid beer drinker. I also liked the content of this video as well. Is there a... "Church approved" stretching routine? Usually there's a Catholic alternative to whatever new-age-y crap society is trying to sell us, so I'm wondering what our answer to Yoga is?
What about qigong
What about figures like Wim Hof? Embracing the cold to help our breathing. Tainted by some new age thinking, but mostly practical and its origins are far more pure and scientific.
The thing is: why? If people want to exercise, can't they just run, swim, play soccer or learn a martial art like everybody?
Also, if you want to breathe better, swimming and vocal training will be enough.
The breathing technique has no spiritual value in itself so it's fine
Well, I have vertigo and chronic neck pain. I am frustratingly limited in movement and the cold water technique he literally invented is appealing as a proven means to help with a lot of health issues. Learning to control your breath in extreme temperatures is a practice of the navy seals and mountain climbers who suffer greatly at high altitudes. It is hugely helpful for stress and building resistance to illnesses, fatigue, aches and pains, etc.
@@jeffreyjackson5525 yeah, well... sounds reasonable.
Alexander solution to this Gordian knot… Just lift.
What about martial arts? Judo, karate, etc.
This is where religious UA-cam starts to lose me
This is just my opinion and im open for correction: body poses are God’s creation, hinduism added intention, chanting, breathing to represent different gods and goddesses of hinduism. If u do these yoga poses without the PROPER chanting and breathing you are not doing yoga that is not yoga just stretching,
Some hindus felt disrespected for making yoga an exercise for the rest world
Skip Yoga because it's Commercial.... Let's look at the Damned (yes Damned- The Beast has entered) Church, which is very Commercial. I'm at 3:38...I will comment as the video continues
I was a level 6 Yoga instructor, I would often astral project, summon, and would allow myself to be possessed by 12 elder demons. I'm so happy that by the grace of the Almighty God I was saved. My old Yoga studio has taken credit for causing the Lord's servant the Godly Republican Lauren Boebert to stray with a DEMOCRAT at the Buell theater in Denver, Colorado!
“Intent “ here reminds me of the necessity of intent of the validity of a Sacrament. And knowledge vs intentionality. Consider that ANYONE can baptize validly if they intend what the Church intends EVEN IF THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT THE CHURCH INTENDS. Seems the negative/demonic version can happen with yoga. One may not know all that yoga includes but if you intend yoga it will have its spiritual consequences.
But I am not intending yoga. I am intending to stretch and strengthen my body and after trying a bunch of other types of exercise, I have found that yoga exercises and stretches accomplish that best.
@@fonduelol Are you in a group or following an instructor or program that intends yoga? Could those things make the demonic present? Not criticizing. Just trying to think things through
@@ThanksStJoseph I do yoga at home with UA-cam videos. The instructor focuses mainly on the movement and poses, as well as breathing. I can’t speak for her intentions.
Here's the movie to what he states: ua-cam.com/video/8l9ZmAAWo6E/v-deo.html and yes, he's spot on.
Don't spread misleading shitty propaganda
@Tony Camaj It's misinformation and mischaracterisation of Hinduism
That's an excellent documentary!
We can say "God" despite the fact it was previously a word for a pagan deity, but millions of years after our human bodies had been doing these basic movements and poses, some ppl with false gods decided to use them in worship, so now using your body in basic fundamental ways is evil?
Or is the issue calling it "yoga"? Words evolve, split, fork, take on new meanings. I dont see how calling the poses "yoga" is any different from calling our God "God" when the intention isn't on idolatry.
@Tony Camaj 🍻
if it is just stretching ... why call it yoga ?
They are teaching this in catholic school
I don't agree with your guest about just doing the posture without intending to do Yoga and that it's not considered Yoga if you didn't know it was Yoga. I believe all the practice of the occult is in the posture whether you want to do Yoga or not. The postures are the postures whether there's intent or not. None of that is good. If you see positions being done for a particular exercise, make sure to do your research to know that it's definitely NOT Yoga before proceeding.
The analogies are way off. Well, it's a pity they see it this way. This clip gave me a protestant vibe, like what they claim about what we catholics do with the statues of the saints. Surely it's just me
Can you be more specific?
Not clear on what your whole comment means, but I do agree the analogies were lost on me, or they didn’t explain the analogies very well at all
@@Evie0h I'm sorry, I was to vague. I meant to say that is a pity they feel that way about the exercises. Yoga the religion has eight parts, they involve philosophies, actions, dispositions, what we understand as yoga, are just poses designed to train the mind and body, like the guy said, a great part of the poses are very modern and don't go back to the roots of yoga the religion. They have been now greatly secularized and most of the time they're devoid of the original religious meaning. I've seen and met people who recovered from grave injuries and pain by practicing the poses, without compromising any of their original beliefs. So discarding the adaptable set of exercises which happen to be, if practice correctly, beneficial on one's health seems a bit harsh, it's a shame, in my opinion.
I don't think we need to expel yoga from the Christian life absolutely any more than we need to expel stories about Hercules or even playing Hercules on stage in order to reveal the patterns that Hercules represents. The problem comes when you take what is profane and place it in the holy place. Hercules, Yoga, etc. are all potentially, with mindful mitigations in place, acceptable at the margins of our personality. At the center though it Christ, and anything that might disturb that center has to go. When I think on the 7 trials of Hercules I am far more ready to see them as rough signposts pointing to the true Son of God who truly overcomes His sacred trails as opposed to accidentally replacing Christ with Hercules. The same is true even of Shiva, Kali, etc. if you are able to treat them the way you treat any other myth, as important stories that reveal patters to some degree or another that find their completion in Christ. I think it can be dangerous and it is smart to not take up an official "Yoga is good" any more than we should expect the Church to let us know that "Hercules is good". I think it is best to leave it to the prudence of Christians with reasonable amounts of warning. One last thought, St Paul tells us that we ought not to be a stumbling block to our brethren. If your neighbor is more likely to stumble over yoga, then be sensitive and prudent about that.
Unfortunately Christian religion inherited the Semitic creed of the ‘jealous God’ in the view of Christ as ‘the only begotten son of God’ so could not brook any rival near the throne. The Christian religion, in spite of its own broad humanism, it accepted the fierce intolerance which is the natural result of belief. Hinduism at large does not contain that type of intolerance because doing so would convey possessiveness over the divine not reverence to it. As a Hindu, I have no problem accepting Christ as manifestation of divinity, I have a problem with Christian scripture that demands strict devotion to only a single manifestation.
And that corpse that she is standing on, happens to be her husband Shiva!!
Doing Pilates instead of yoga is, well, like going to Pontius Pilates rather than to Ignatius of Loyola, whose teaching is nearly literally a translation in Spanish of Patanjali’s yoga system, TOGETHER with creative vizualition, concentration, posture … except for the things visualized that are scenes from the Revelation. American yoga is a commercial enterprise but all religion in the US is commercial. Western gymnastics which you are praising is historically known to be highly correlated to fascism and to Eastern Bloc communism. Fascism kills Christians every single time it gets in power, martyrs tend to happen in the same arenas where Western gymnastics is taught. Pierre de Coubertin was a fascist, and a very nasty one, so every Olympic discipline is dedicated to the gods of the Stadium as Leni Riefenstahl called them. There was never any single Christian martyr made in an ashram or along the banks of the Ganges where naked yogis convene, though there was now and then Hindu community violence against Christians, but far less than the other way round in India and never from those who do yoga. This said I am not not very fond of Hinduism but yoga was invented at a time when Hinduism wasn’t the same thing at all : Patanjali was clearly monotheistic.
Sounds like this guy did yoga for the wrong reasons and thinks everyone is gonna do it that way. No one thinks about shiva as they do warrior pose. They think about their shoulders, legs and neck. Lol. You're reading way too in to this.
Exactly
Similarly, I am a worshipper of shiva and yoga isn't something I actually practice. Time after time again it baffles me how little christians actually know about faiths that are not their own
Only two Yogas: real Hinduism and phony non Hindu.
I disagree with him, Saint Paul told us we could eat meat offered to the gods, because there aren't such things as gods, the same can be said about hindu gods.
He brings up the military training and rugby, and both of them are taught with intent to fit a specific purpose, to which the exercise were created. Though It is true your body posture influences your brain, there are no intrinsic meanings to any poses performed by the human body, therefore these don't have any spiritual meaning or power unless intended.
Another point, the asanas, meaning poses, were not designed to worship any deity but to clear the mind by controlling the breath while struggling to do so. Even the original ashtanga yoga was designed to keep teenagers occupied.
Like Jimmy Akin said, if you're not doing yoga with the intention of practicing that religion, then you're ok.
We as Catholics have converted old pagan temples into beautiful cathedrals which are being used to this day. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
I would say, if one is unsure, then by all means don't do it. But if you're in only for the stretch, you now know there's nothing intrinsically evil about it and is safe to practice.
"Catholics have converted old pagan temples..." - bingo. Its about the spirit and intention. Acting like these basic poses or items have some intrinsic evil power instead of God having the power strikes me as idolatry.
I agree with you Uri. God uses sin or the effects thereof for goodness. I think it’s silly to claim that yoga poses will do you spiritual harm if you consistently put on your spiritual armor through prayer.
As a buddhist I approve of this comment.
Yoga was never secular. Coming from an Indian who's witnessed actual Hindus complaining how it's been marketed as a non Hindu activity. Some of them hate how it's secularised and feel genuinely offended at how it's marketed. Because it IS religious. But then, yes the stretches by itself don't mean anything.
@@tinag7506 I agree with you, specially of by yoga you mean to say the religion and not just the exercises.
14 seconds ago...cool!
6:15 this is exactly what makes Christians look super goofy. Without knowing the mythology or culture of something you just called something Demonic, based on how scary it looks?
Biblical Angels appear scary too and they also warn to not be afraid as they arrive. Such a lazy and ignorant take! 😒
I know. The whole video actually is very cringy & shows the ignorance of the guest