The TRUTH About the Shroud of Turin w/Fr. Robert Spitzer | Chris Stefanick Show
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2023
- The Shroud of Turin is the subject of a lot of rumors, myths, and controversies - maybe you’ve heard some of them yourself and don’t know what to believe.
That’s why this week we have Fr. Robert Spitzer, a Jesuit scientist and scholar on the Shroud of Turin. He offers some amazing facts about the Shroud, including what we can learn about the Crucifixion from what we see on the cloth. We also talk about the infamous carbon dating claims (they’ve been scientifically debunked).
If you’ve ever wondered how seriously we can take the Shroud of Turin, you have to see this episode!
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When my father died, my sister asked how on earth I could hold onto my faith when God allows such suffering. So I told her about the Shroud of Turin, which has, at times, bolstered my faith enormously. She was interested, but absolutely convinced when, the very next day, a book on the Shroud of Turin arrived in the mail, sent 2 weeks earlier by a friend of mum's living overseas. Yet another of those holy coincidences that have been such a blessing throughout my life. Incidentally, mum had always had a strong devotion to the holy shroud, and was the first person to tell me about it when I was about 13.
@@BrianWalters93 same for me!
When the negative radiocarbon dates came out in the late 80s, it certainly did not destroy my faith. But the subsequent rebuttal of those findings and the links between the shroud and other Eucharistic miracles brings great joy to my faith.
@@BrianWalters93 what is "your faith?" Dull'luminati
It's not at all that "God allows such suffering." Man brought suffering down on himself by his own free choice to disobey God in the Garden by taking and eating. Blaming God for man's suffering is sinful in itself... it's just a way of saying, and teaching other's to say, "I am unjustly held accountable for my disobedience to God." Adam was forewarned of the consequences, and purposely went against God. Otherwise, you're blaming God for your own sinful nature.
By "strong devotion" do you mean your mother prayed to the shroud?
I couldn’t help but come to tears in the graphic description of our Savior’s wounds and suffering. What He did for us we can never repay. Thank you Jesus. I love you ❤️
Theologians prove doctorates are granted based on nothing whatsoever.
Christians simply insist we follow their directions from fantasyland, adopt their vocabulary, because Christians have zero quality-control.
Imperial Rome made this cult so every Alex Jones in the country knows enough to put Jesus-lingo in the sales-pitch.
There is always peril when pointing out reality to Christians.
Christians simply insist we follow their directions from fantasyland, adopt their vocabulary, because Christians have zero quality-control.
Imperial Rome made this cult so every Alex Jones in the country knows enough to put Jesus-lingo in the sales-pitch.
Christians boast their lack of quality-control.
The same god we know for a perfect record of doing nothing,
is their servant for an unmeasurable number of prayers.
Why would anyone confess Jesus Christ as Lord,
when voting is a quality-control?
Republicans rig the voting districts.
The SCOTUS writes of its own stench.
Christians are avoided like the old woman with too many cats,
suggesting we travel best with one foot in fantasyland,
based on butchered context in Roman propaganda.
Who do you think licensed temples, controlled publication,
crucified when imperial Rome created Christians?
Why do you think every Alex Jones in the country,
uses Jesus-lingo in the sales-pitch?
The problem is;
We depend on the fiction of government being better than no government, actually working, with voting as a quality-control.
Christians boast having no quality-control.
The same god we know for a perfect record of doing nothing,
is their servant for an unmeasurable number of prayers.
The only difference between a Republican & Democrat
is how fast the knee hits the floor when a donor walks in the room.
There is no plan, not for greenhouse gases, as long as energy is needed to keep the show on the road.
Christians demand ownership of the narrative: We are all gods, children of the highest god.
The ultimate vanity is declared,
as they make a scene in the temple.
Christians are the wolves in sheep's clothing,
weighing in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones,
would-be dictators suggesting we must all travel together,
as if we all prefer leadership with one foot in fantasyland.
We know a tree by the fruit.
We know a man by his works.
We thank God secular law & order
finally ended the witch-killings & inquisitions.
Jesus Christ says a wicked generation seeks signs,
then the Christians: Self-authorized experts on deity-stuff,
dictate what is sacred,
holy scripture,
having magic in every chapter.
The problem is ignoring Christians.
Those act as if the rest of us can prefer leadership traveling with one foot in fantasyland.
God chooses winners in their end time cult.
Their god outside of fiction,
is the same god well-known for the perfect record of doing nothing.
Hence, we say, God helps those helping themselves.
And, Christians are avoided like the old woman with too many cats.
And, we thank God:
Secular law & order eventually ended the witch-killing & inquisitions.
There is no evidence Democracy works at scale.
Not with endless wars, & too big to fail.
The science of greenhouse gases was ignored.
Now, is "too late" - 1979.
Biden just opened up places to drill, as if Limits to Growth had not predicted our worst path.
The only difference between a Republican & Democrat is how fast the knee hits the floor,
when a donor walks in the room.
Some are so insane, they share other people's delusions. We can't talk about how deep the problem is. The big problem is the Christian communicating as if his self-authorized opinions allowed for his weighing-in on whatnot, as if the Earth had gravity-free zones. It discloses the presentation is a fraud created by those in delusion, those willing to ignore credibility, to publicly insult intelligence with suggestions we travel with one foot in fantasyland. The Christian, authorized by himself, is routinely permitted to weigh-in on whatnot, as if the earth had gravity-free zones. The Gospels, being a joke, have their master say a wicked generation seeks signs. Then, the Christian declares sacred text, with a sign in every chapter. Even Mary is a slur. Can't have too many Mary' in a story. Even Alex Jones knows to use Jesus-lingo, they will buy anything. But wait, there's more. The Christian has a divine sense of vanity. We are all gods, Children of the Highest. Jesus is never depicted as short, fat & balding. He has extra long arms on the shroud so even in death, the Christian can admire his modesty.
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What is the big deal about Jesus blood sacrifice, eh? If my scourge, ill treatment, crucifixion and death would save all mankind for all eternity, I'd gladly give my life right now. Today. Happily. And if I knew for sure God existed and paradise awaited me it would make it even easier.
The sad thing is, some completely innocent mortals have suffered fates much worse than Jesus without knowing God and without becoming the hero/savior of all mankind.
Apparently God/Jesus knew this all would happen even before creation. Then He sat on His throne and watched it all happen in real time and in His name.
Is that love?
@@schmarpsywinkleurnklabean659 it’s a fairy tale.
I know a couple Marines braver than that.
Amen, Chris Chesna
I was privileged to view the Shroud of Turin in 2010. It was one of the most moving experiences of my life. And any time I can learn more about it, I will read any book and watch every video clip. Thank you for this, especially during Holy Week.
- [ ] I am ashamed that the current leadership of the Church does not make it clear the shroud is a fake. They hide behind the obscurity of terms like “icon”
* The shroud is also contrary to the description in the Gospel. Look it up.
“Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen wrappings lying there, and the cloth that had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself.”
* We have no reliable documentation of the Shroud of Turin’s existence until the fourteenth century.
* The forger who made the Shroud of Turin confessed and the earliest definitive mention of the shroud in any historical source is a record of his confession.
* The Shroud of Turin doesn’t match the kinds of funerary wrappings used in Judaea in the time of Jesus or the description of Jesus’s own funerary wrappings given in the Gospel of John.
* The linen of the Shroud of Turin has been securely dated using radiocarbon dating to between c. 1260 and c. 1390 AD-well over a millennium after Jesus’s death.
* The figure on the Shroud of Turin does not have anatomically correct proportions and much more closely resembles figures in fourteenth-century Gothic art than a real human being.
* The bloodstains on the Shroud of Turin are not consistent with how blood actually flows naturally and they instead appear to have been painted on.
* The fabric of the Shroud of Turin is made with a kind of weave that is known to have been commonly used during the Late Middle Ages, but does not seem to have been used for burial shrouds in Judaea in the first century AD.
My wife and I saw it then also! An elderly priest we were with fell off the front steps an hour before we were allowed in. He missed the whole thing as an ambulance had to take him to the hospital. If you saw that you were there at the same hour we were. Incredible.
THE POWER OF THE RESURRECTION FLOWS THROUGH US!!!
@Robert Stephenson ....'Attractiveness' is subjective. Jesus Christ is Divine with a human nature - Is it not at all possible that perhaps HE can stand out from another normal human? To me that sounds plausible because God is beauty. God's Son our Lord Jesus Christ must be beautiful!
It really is of no importance nor consequence as to whether or not his height, complexion, eye colour or hair length matters.....All of our Lady's apparitions have been depicted as being that of similar features of that nation of people.
@@robertstephenson6806 And you're an absolute authority on Jews at the time of Christ? So what ethnic group would a 6' man with long hair and a beard belong to? All these years, all the testing that's been done on the Shroud, NO ONE has been able to replicate it. No one ever will.
Fr Spitzer is such a gifted Priest, teacher and scientist - His explanations are on topics so scientifically complex, yet he makes them so accessible to lay people - GOD Bless you Father Spitzer - I could listen to him all day!
Father Spitzer is scary smart. His education and experience is insane! What a great video!
Hallow334 Your sentence "His education and experience is insane!" would make perfect sense, if you were to leave the words "education and experience" out.
@@ladislavtoman9327"his is insane" ?? Maybe english is not your first language😅
I went to Jerusalem in December. I went to the Garden Tomb on the first day and was blown away by its lovely atmosphere, there was a crowd outside the tomb singing hymns, it was very uplifting. Anyway I went back 2 days later and I had nearly the whole place to myself, I went into the tomb on my own and closed my eyes to pray, almost immediately a clear, crisp and perfect image of the image of the face on the Turin Shroud appeared on the back of my eye lids, I was shocked and opened my eyes feeling a little perturbed but not in any way afraid. It was several seconds until I realised where I was and the connection to the image. Later I questioned myself about it and I know I hadn't thought about the image at all before I went there, I mean I was aware of the Shroud and everything but it was not in my thoughts at all that day and probably not at all on the trip either.
Now I am not claiming anything about the Garden Tomb but I swear on my life that I saw what I said and I tell you I had never seen an image or 'vision' like that or had a silhouette on my eye lids as clear as that in my entire 48 years of life. Thanks be to God.
The shroud is fake. Haven't you read your bible. It clearly contradicts the shroud.
GOD IS GOOD!!
We are Spirit
HE is SPIRIT
HE, I believe, was showing You how HE knows & Loves YOU, personally❣️❣️❣️
Well, now I'm crying.
From wonder and the pain our Lord has felt...
Thank you Father Spitzer!
Isn't it amazing!
I absolutely SOBBED watching the passion of the Christ. Watching it happen is just... overwhelming.
What is the big deal about Jesus blood sacrifice, eh? If my scourge, ill treatment, crucifixion and death would save all mankind for all eternity, I'd gladly give my life right now. Today. Happily. And if I knew for sure God existed and paradise awaited me it would make it even easier.
The sad thing is, some completely innocent mortals have suffered fates much worse than Jesus without knowing God and without becoming the hero/savior of all mankind.
Apparently God/Jesus knew this all would happen even before creation. Then He sat on His throne and watched it all happen in real time and in His name.
Is that love?
@@schmarpsywinkleurnklabean659tfhu u botted clown💩🤡
I am a graduate and scholar from the University of Oxford United Kingdom, ranking # 1 in the world as we stand, and I have a masters degree, and Professor in Theology, Divinity & Religious Studies for over 30 years, I understand the original Hebrew, also to include a scholarship in the Traditional Greek( KOINE) language in which Paul spoke and understood. Oxford is one of the oldest Universities that date back to the year 1096 after Christ.
The Shroud of Turin is not mentioned in the Bible. It is a linen sheet thought by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. As a result of this belief, the shroud is considered by some to be one of Christendom’s most sacred relics. A cathedral in Turin, Italy, now houses the shroud in a high-tech protective casing.
Do Bible accounts support the idea that the Shroud of Turin is genuine? No.
Consider three aspects of the shroud that differ from what the Bible says.
1. The shroud is a single cloth measuring 442 by 113 centimeters (14 ft 6 in. by 3 ft 8 in.) plus an 8-centimeter (3 in.) strip sewed lengthwise.
What the Bible says: Jesus’ dead body was wrapped, not in one piece of linen, but in multiple strips of cloth. His head was wrapped in a separate cloth. After Jesus was resurrected, one of his apostles came to the empty tomb and “saw the linen cloths lying there.” The Bible adds: “The cloth that had been on his head was not lying with the other cloth bands but was rolled up in a place by itself.”-John 20:6, 7.
2. The shroud contains markings presumed to be bloodstains from an unwashed corpse.
What the Bible says: When Jesus died, his disciples prepared his body “according to the burial custom of the Jews.” (John 19:39-42) This custom included washing the corpse and applying oils and spices to it before burial. (Matthew 26:12; Acts 9:37) Therefore, Jesus’ disciples would have washed his body before wrapping it in cloths.
3. The shroud bears the image of a man “laid lengthwise along one half of the shroud while the other half had been doubled over the head to cover the whole front of the body,” according to the Encyclopædia Britannica.
What the Bible says: Jesus’ disciples discussed his death, his empty tomb, and the eyewitness testimony of women who saw “a supernatural sight of angels, who said he is alive.” (Luke 24:15-24) If the shroud had been in Jesus’ tomb, his disciples would no doubt have discussed it and the images on it. However, the Bible says nothing about such a discussion.
Should the shroud be venerated?
No. Even if it were authentic, venerating it would still be wrong. Consider Bible principles that explain why.
1. It is unnecessary. Jesus explained: “God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:24) True worship does not involve the use of religious relics or icons.
2. It is forbidden. The Ten Commandments forbid idolatry. (Deuteronomy 5:6-10) Likewise, the Bible commands Christians: “Guard yourselves from idols.” (1 John 5:21) Some might argue that for them the shroud is not an idol but an icon, or symbol, of their religious faith. However, an icon becomes an idol to the person who venerates it. Therefore, a person who wants to please God will not show devotion or reverence to any object, including the shroud.
Scientific analysis of the shroud
Since the late 19th century, researchers have tried to use scientific methods to test the authenticity of the shroud. Some of these tests have proven inconclusive. However, in 1988, the Vatican submitted small samples taken from the shroud to three laboratories in different countries. After the laboratories subjected the samples to radiocarbon dating, each one concluded that the shroud was from the 13th or 14th century.
And HE did all this for US!!! That is TRUE love.
He created satan out of pure love?
Actually the Roman Empire did.
@@yoeyyoey8937
Satan punishes people that God don’t like. WHY would he do that if he is God’s adversary?
Nope. If Satan is real, he is working for God. And if so, then it is evidence that God doesn’t just reward people who love Him, but also punishes people who doesn’t. “Believe in me or there will be Hell to pay”.
What an asshole of a God.
It was all prophecy told by God, from the very beginning. It just didn't happen by chance.
@@stevenpeluso7670
Since all the texts are written LONG after this supposedly godly prophesy, it is simply hearsay.
But while we are playing this game, tell me why your God has stopped communicating, and not least, why He failed to communicate with the millions of people he destroyed during the flood. Wouldn’t it have been a nice gesture if He at least had made His presence known to all the other countries on earth BEFORE he called them “wicked” enough to destroy?
What an absolutely totally incredible account of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ! It gave me the most calming peaceful feeling for my soul! I pray people, will watch this video to reassure their faith in our Lord Jesus to believe and know he is the Son of God! The Shroud of Turin is a gift for humanity and proof the Bible is the word from God Almighty! Thank You, Fr. Robert Spitzer, forever and ever I’m very grateful for hearing the Blessed accounting during Holy Week! 🙏🏻
The shroud is authentic.
The story doesn't.
They lost their way in the footsteps of the apostle Paul 2 thousand years ago.
Jesus is truly risen---
but not for redemption...
@@janoselter3743 God is well known for doing nothing, that's why we say He helps those helping himself.
The Christian is politely avoided like the old woman with too many cats.
The social rejects gather for support in the shared delusions of the temple.
There, the hypocrites adore Jesus Christ, saying, a wicked generation seeks signs, then performs one in every chapter.
There, they can make a scene of prayer in the temple.
Outside the temple, we submit to having intelligence insulted, by their self-authorized knowing of deity-stuff.
As if God were more real than a tool of fiction,
We know the tree by its fruit, and we know a man by his works.
We thank God secular law & order finally ended the inquisitions & witch-killing.
The Holy word of God is so powerful, people flock to hear productions like this, with preaching to the choir.
The Rev. is short for revving up the emotional vibration.
God is apparently invoked by hysteria, showing us the way, the truth, & the light.
The Christian never wonders if we might not like traveling with one foot in fantasyland.
@@Stupidityindex I'll say it again:
I don't believe, but I know.
I read the Bible and a library of critical literature.
I examine the question through the expertise of science:
Jesus is truly risen!
But not for redemption - since he was NOT the Son of God...
@@janoselter3743 Thank you so much for managing to put down a few words in the comment section.
How can anyone debase & disgrace themselves with Christian identification?
Membership has no qualification or dues.
The Christian passes nonsense at every opportunity, as if there were rewards for us all walking with one foot in fantasyland.
The insanity pleads to have us see the wolves in sheep's clothing, making a scene of prayer in the temple with conspicuous dress.
Who wants a country where everyone votes & that is your quality control?
There is forever a Christian having authorized himself certainty about directions from fantasyland.
Christians buy anything, so every Alex Jones knows to inject some Jesus-lingo in the sales pitch.
Christians are the wolves in sheep's clothing, making a scene of prayer in the temple.
No one in their right mind suggests we navigate using a map from fantasyland.
Christians are fascist, authoritarians, we will all be more comfortable traveling united through their dream of fantasyland.
Christians authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth has gravity-free zones.
God knows a perfect record comes from never doing anything.
Since not everyone is aware of "the" Christian deity, it seems to fudge the title just a tad bit, don't you think?
Knowing it would be too late for dealing with global warming consequences by now, the question has always been having enough energy to keep civilization dumping particulates in the atmosphere, masking the rate of heating.
Christians feel comfortable traveling in groups through fantasyland.
Christians authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth has gravity-free zones. God knows a perfect record comes from never doing anything. Thank God secular law & order finally stopped the killing of witches. Since not everyone is aware of "the" Christian deity, it seems to fudge the title a tad bit, don't you think?
I bet most people listen to this video & don't read the comments. This is about inducing mood & magical thinking, using the tone of voice, a sort of group trance experience. People feel more comfortable traveling in groups through fantasyland.
Christians authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth has gravity-free zones. God knows a perfect record comes from never doing anything. Thank God secular law & order finally stopped the killing of witches. Since not everyone is aware of "the" Christian deity, it seems to fudge the title a tad bit, don't you think?
The Christian induces his own delusions by visualizing reality going forward, ignoring fantasy is backing him up. The Christian weights in on reality as if there is magic outside fiction, Earth has gravity-free zones.
You know them by their works, & dental-care programs.
Who wants a country where everyone votes & that is your quality control?
There is forever a Christian having authorized himself certainty about directions from fantasyland.
Christians buy anything, so every Alex Jones knows to inject some Jesus-lingo in the sales pitch.
Christians are the wolves in sheep's clothing, making a scene of prayer in the temple.
No one in their right mind suggests we navigate using a map from fantasyland.
Christians suggest we will all be more comfortable traveling united through fantasyland.
Christians authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth has gravity-free zones.
God knows a perfect record comes from never doing anything.
Since not everyone is aware of "the" Christian deity, it seems to fudge the title a tad bit, don't you think?
Christian meat comes from butchering context,
He says a wicked generation seeks signs,
declares it is holy scripture with magic in every chapter.
You know a tree by the fruit, you know them by their works.
Thank God secular law & order finally stopped the killing of witches.
The consequences have been accurately predicted since at least 1979. Peak global oil discoveries was known in 1956. The math was pretty simple. The question has always been about how long energy would keep things going. That is why Bye-Done opened up the tiny oil fields. Peak oil was in 2006 as far as we know, & we are not to know easily. Anyone can now take 4 minutes reviewing the arctic sea ice record & guess large mammals will be extinct within a decade, 2026 even. In 1979 the POTUS report calls 2025 "too late". The consequences from greenhouse gases would be reaching crisis & there was nothing we could do at scale. Print money at ramming, full speed ahead. Government, The State, has no plans, so the only difference between the Republicans & Democrats is how fast the knee hits the floor when a donor walks in the room. Young people know this.
How can anyone want to be a Christian?
It is obvious to the sane, there is no god, no Jesus Christ, no prophesy, outside of fiction. Christian meat comes from butchering the context of words & a sublime tourism resource.
Can there be any moral justification for the Christian? It is obvious to the sane, there is no god, no Jesus Christ, no prophesy, outside of fiction. Christians gain for themselves by butchering the context of words. I'm sure, if everyone is not aware of the alleged deity, the god title is a bit fudged, & does not fit. Dear Christian Uploader, my god, have you any sense of decency? Christian invocations call into existence evil as good; they are wolves in sheep's clothing. We know a tree by the fruit. We know them by their works. Thank God secular law & order finally stopped the witch killings.
I can only imagine if a deity desired my awareness of it, I would probably be aware & if not, then why call deity other than fiction? Christians embarrass & insult us with this barrage of nonsense, retreating into caves like this channel to refuel. You encourage people to travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland. Theologians grant each other doctorates based on nothing whatsoever. Christians are fascists, rendering to Caesar what is his, exercising freedom of speech with abuse. The naked ape is a vein species, Christians want to own the narrative, claiming knowledge of a supreme being, which is never verified beyond a tool of fiction. Christians insult intelligence in public, suggesting we navigate reality with one foot one foot in literary fiction & state propaganda. Christians authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones, & everyone knows it. We inherit their vast bulk of our oldest documents, the records of looting & torture: inquisitions. Christians are hypocrites with productions like this, making a scene of praying in the temple. Christians are the lowlifes in society, avoided like the insane pretending to talk to an invisible friend, holding a hairdryer in place of a phone. Christians manufacture ultimate vanity, proclaiming we are all gods, children of the highest god.
When the contradictions of the economic system catch up to it, the politicians intone the same notions, because they don't know what to do. Democracy is a cult-like faith where many actually believe giving power to others always has consequence which can be tolerably managed by the managers. The models for Limits to Growth of 1973 were accurate. The state has no plans, so the only difference between a Republican & a Democrat is how fast the knee hits the floor when a donor walks in the room & SCOTUS produces stench.
What is really funny, is these Christian delusions support videos. Christians ignore they are rejects, politely avoided like the old lady with 400 pet cats. Christians don't comprehend the parody being played, the guy making a scene of prayer in the temple. Christians are largely given a pass for suggestions we navigate with a map of fantasyland. Christians present evil as good, the wolves in sheep's clothing. Christians authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones, and everyone knows it. That is why Alex Jones puts Jesus-lingo in the sales delivery.
@@Stupidityindex God loves you. Happy Easter!
That Yeshua left us this kind of evidence , talk about signs and miracles!, brings me to tears.❤Praise God!
I’m 45, my parents got to see the shroud on a trip to Italy in the late 80s. I have been absolutely fascinated by it since. It’s on my bucket list to see it for myself.
This is beyond insane, I can't believe that I never heard of this before.
Especially the part with the light! Not only does this Shroud prove that Jesus was a real person, but it also shows that he is GOD!
I absolutely adore Fr. Spitzer. Could listen to him talk all day. While there are many wonderful Catholic priests out there that I enjoy listening to, he & Fr. Chris of Divine Mercy resonate with me the most.
The wisdom of the Father. The love of the Son, and the peace of the Holy Spirit, is with me now and at the hour of my death. Amen 🙏. Pray Daily
I never believed the age of the Shroud of Turin according to the 1988 Carbon 14 tests, for the simple reason nobody could provide a plausible way that any 14th century forger could have done it. However the results from these new tests are genuinely amazing, so amazing in fact that they've got this atheist seriously looking at this whole Christian thing again!
Keep studying. You’ll be convinced but please don’t take too long.
I remember seeing a film about the shroud in 1972 High school senior year. It was quite awe inspiring as I'd never heard of the shroud. And now modern dating techniques agree with what the faithful knew all along.
What? That Jesus was born and died roughly in the 14 th century?
@@geraldaird9390 That incorrect report was because they tested a 'patch of cloth' that was added to repair fire damage to the Shroud. Subsequent further testing on the original part of the shroud proves it was Not 14 th Century cloth. Perhaps you should do research further and not depend wholeheartedly on old news. Isn't science and technology amazing and how it improves greatly over time? Be not fooled that the evil one will always try to thwart God's people from believing.
Gerald the carbon dating was done on a repaired patch. There is a lot of evidence this Burt of energy came about in 33 AD
Nuclear Playboy. A good year. 1972 indeed
The shroud is authentic.
The story doesn't.
They lost their way in the footsteps of the apostle Paul 2 thousand years ago.
Jesus is truly risen---
but not for redemption...
Since the beginning, Jesus' resurrection is the snap of Jesus selfie. ❤thank you, Jesus, I love you, Jesus. Glory to God in the highest 🙏
I was privileged enough to see the Shroud when it was exposed in1978.
Re the Shoulder wound, Our Lord, is reported to have revealed to St Bernard and later to St Pio of Pietelcina {Padre Pio] that the shoulder wound was His most painful wound.
Thanks for your words Chris. I grew up Protestant but recognize and appreciate your great channel and testimony to the abundant love of Christ.
The shroud is for all Christians. What a beautiful thing God left for us. A photo of our Lord as He resurrected. Thank you Jesus.
The most inconceivable amazing Gift 🎁 from our God, through his most beloved Son. "I Am!!" ..."I am here to do the will of my Father, ...the Father and I are one!"
Come to The Church where Peter is. And, of course, above all, where The Eucharist is! ❤
@@karollisa7022what do you all Christians? Protestants and their 100,000 conflicting splinter groups cults denominations are NOT 🚫 CHRISTIANS.
Every time I hear how he was tortured and the suffering he had endured I feel so sad for what he went through for our salvation,we can never repay him for this , we only can believe in him and give all praise and glory to him,thankyou Jesus in your precious name I pray amen
This was a too short interview, but very rewarding one too!! Love Father Spitzer, he is an amazing human being and holds so much knowledge within. Love anything on the Shroud, and yes it is very moving to hear what our Lord went through for the ENTIRE human race. We should not only pray to Him, but pray FOR HIM, and all He suffered for us. We could never have enough words to thank Jesus Our Savior for ALL He has done and continues to do for the world. Pray, pray, pray for Peace. God Bless you.
Christians boast their ludicrous lack of quality control, by allowing themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth has gravity-free zones.
Pointing out reality to Christians brings peril.
Many are simply avoided like the old woman with 400 pet cats.
If you haven't done so already you might like to watch the "Pints with Aquinas" interview that Matt Fradd did with Father Andrew Dalton on the Shroud. 3 hour discussion. I was blown away 😢😢🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@ellem6050 Thank you for the information, will have to check that out!
Your final reminder of both how and why Christ died for us brought tears to my eyes, for the first time ever.
I’ve heard father Spitzer speak at length about this on his own radio broadcast. There’s so much more detail he goes into it is astounding what God will go through in length so go to, to help us believe how much he truly loves us… I pray everyone has a blessed Triduum and blessed Easter
So he has duped you many times then?
@@saltybits9954 lol
"Torn to pieces by, like, a beast" ... very insightful and profound comment.
Incredible - the Perfect, Creator of the Universe, a KING, royalty, stepped down from His THRONE in His place of Glory to suffer and die to come and get us! No other love like this!
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." (2 Corinthians 5:21) Thank you, Jesus! Thank you, ABBA!
God bless you, Fr. Spitzer - it's a joy to listen to you, always.
Chris - God bless your efforts to share the Good News and to bring great content.
Peace
I don't remember if it was a late 80s or early 90s when I first saw a program on PBS about the shroud of Turin. In my heart I knew it was real no doubt
- [ ] I am ashamed that the current leadership of the Church does not make it clear the shroud is a fake. They hide behind the obscurity of terms like “icon”
* The shroud is also contrary to the description in the Gospel. Look it up.
“Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen wrappings lying there, and the cloth that had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself.”
* We have no reliable documentation of the Shroud of Turin’s existence until the fourteenth century.
* The forger who made the Shroud of Turin confessed and the earliest definitive mention of the shroud in any historical source is a record of his confession.
* The Shroud of Turin doesn’t match the kinds of funerary wrappings used in Judaea in the time of Jesus or the description of Jesus’s own funerary wrappings given in the Gospel of John.
* The linen of the Shroud of Turin has been securely dated using radiocarbon dating to between c. 1260 and c. 1390 AD-well over a millennium after Jesus’s death.
* The figure on the Shroud of Turin does not have anatomically correct proportions and much more closely resembles figures in fourteenth-century Gothic art than a real human being.
* The bloodstains on the Shroud of Turin are not consistent with how blood actually flows naturally and they instead appear to have been painted on.
* The fabric of the Shroud of Turin is made with a kind of weave that is known to have been commonly used during the Late Middle Ages, but does not seem to have been used for burial shrouds in Judaea in the first century AD.
you can't know its real, god wont let you, what flippin religion do you belong to?
Absolutely love Fr Spitzer! Brilliant mind and wonderful heart!
If he wasnt wearing a frock you would think he was a wierdo. Look at him.
@@saltybits9954 listen…
i agree criticising drag queens while dressed as a lady is a bit thick, and what's with god and the silly hats? everyone has a silly hat and a body part sliced off, what kind of perverted club is that (catholics, up to their eyeballs in law suits).
god isn't bothered by shoes though, notice that?
@@saltybits9954 all religist are closet drag artists.
Of course the explanation is this is a Divine image. It was a miracle. The light of the world shined bright as he resurrected right there in the tomb and created the image we can all see today.
Several years ago, I bought a tiny "crown of thorns" plant at a garage sale as a houseplant. It wasn't long before it became huge and I mean huge. They do well in wet or dry environments. The thorns are tiny, but it's hard to avoid getting stabbed with those tiny thorns if you are in the vicinity of the plant. The pain from being pricked by one of the thorns goes right through your entire body. What Jesus went through must have been overwhelming.
Jerusalem Thorn, from which they think Jesus’ crown of thorns was made, has thorns that are about 3/4” long and are like nails when dry.
😢💔✝️
@@sardi114…or 1.905 cm
Diana Harvey
I was a child when Life magazine published the images of Jesus crucified. Faith is a true gift from the Holy Spirit if one desires it with humility.
So happy that there is still interest in the shroud.
Humanity needs to realize there is something greater than themselves.
God bless you.,
Diana Harvey
This was incredible! Great research done in this, I’m so grateful I’m alive to see information come out at this time.
Anyone with a half a brain already knew this was the burial cloth of Jesus. The Catholic church uses it as something your suppose to worship, which it isn't.,and that's wrong.
Wonderful episode..thank you Chris and Father Spitzer. Father Spitzer is an amazing evangelist too.
Fr. Spitzer.
I agree Fr Spitzer. Faith and reason......God bless him 🙏
Thanks for the correction.
Absolutely fascinating. I’d love to see a show done on the mantle of Guadalupe. Also a really fascinating part of our faith. I read an article about it once and it blew me away just like the shroud of Turin.
The shroud is authentic.
The story doesn't.
They lost their way in the footsteps of the apostle Paul 2 thousand years ago.
Jesus is truly risen---
but not for redemption...
@@janoselter3743 Um, if you meant to make sense there.. You didn't, just thought someone should tell you..
@@TruthOverEverything717 No.
Meaning cannot be transferred.
You have to get there to have questions.
Ask the question: why did the apostle Paul NOT WRITE about any miracle of Jesus Christ?????????????????????????????????
@@janoselter3743 It's seems as though you think you're being profound. . . Again, try complete sentences or saying what you fully mean. Not dancing around pretending you're producing complete and coherent statements.. If not, what is the point in saying anything?
@@TruthOverEverything717 You should get above 70 points first.
try to formulate your questions if you can, but that's your problem.
I was wondering about the Shoulder Wound. Now I understand why Padré Pio said that was one of the most painful of all the Stigmatas.
I’ve never doubted it’s authenticity I’ve always known it to be the one true shroud , As a Christian it’s part of my faith I have been to Jerusalem and walked in his footsteps be baptised in the river Jordan in the holy sepulchre an orthodox priest came up to me noticed I had a prosthetic leg and walked me over to our lords tomb blessed me told me to take my time and pray , That was the most precious thing are person has done for me I will never forget it .
Many years of research of the Shroud of Turin and the Veil of Manoppello led to the discovery that the faces appearing on both canvases perfectly matched.
THE POWER OF THE RESURRECTION FLOWS THROUGH US !!!
not really
Amazing and wonderful news for those of us that have believed for decades that the experts were not correct about the carbon printing. Glory be to Jesus for showing us his picture.
Jesus, lead all souls into heaven,especially those who are in most need of Thy Gracious Mercy 🙏 My Saviour Jesus Christ, please forgive me for my sins. Have mercy on me Lord, the sinner 🙏
Thank you for this verification that the Shroud is real and the message it presents about our Lord's love for us. God bless you! 💕
If the burial cloth is very expensive, then it must have been donated by Joseph of Arimathea?
He's mentioned in the Gospels only once, and what is said of him confirms this.
Father Spitzer is so knowledgeable on many details of the Shroud of Turin. He presents much evidence with new technology that points in the direction of the Shroud being the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. Your warm friendliness, Chris, helps us join in the conversation. God bless you both and your loved ones.
I am a graduate and scholar from the University of Oxford United Kingdom, ranking # 1 in the world as we stand, and I have a masters degree, and Professor in Theology, Divinity & Religious Studies for over 30 years, I understand the original Hebrew, also to include a scholarship in the Traditional Greek( KOINE) language in which Paul spoke and understood. Oxford is one of the oldest Universities that date back to the year 1096 after Christ.
The Shroud of Turin is not mentioned in the Bible. It is a linen sheet thought by many to be the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. As a result of this belief, the shroud is considered by some to be one of Christendom’s most sacred relics. A cathedral in Turin, Italy, now houses the shroud in a high-tech protective casing.
Do Bible accounts support the idea that the Shroud of Turin is genuine? No.
Consider three aspects of the shroud that differ from what the Bible says.
1. The shroud is a single cloth measuring 442 by 113 centimeters (14 ft 6 in. by 3 ft 8 in.) plus an 8-centimeter (3 in.) strip sewed lengthwise.
What the Bible says: Jesus’ dead body was wrapped, not in one piece of linen, but in multiple strips of cloth. His head was wrapped in a separate cloth. After Jesus was resurrected, one of his apostles came to the empty tomb and “saw the linen cloths lying there.” The Bible adds: “The cloth that had been on his head was not lying with the other cloth bands but was rolled up in a place by itself.”-John 20:6, 7.
2. The shroud contains markings presumed to be bloodstains from an unwashed corpse.
What the Bible says: When Jesus died, his disciples prepared his body “according to the burial custom of the Jews.” (John 19:39-42) This custom included washing the corpse and applying oils and spices to it before burial. (Matthew 26:12; Acts 9:37) Therefore, Jesus’ disciples would have washed his body before wrapping it in cloths.
3. The shroud bears the image of a man “laid lengthwise along one half of the shroud while the other half had been doubled over the head to cover the whole front of the body,” according to the Encyclopædia Britannica.
What the Bible says: Jesus’ disciples discussed his death, his empty tomb, and the eyewitness testimony of women who saw “a supernatural sight of angels, who said he is alive.” (Luke 24:15-24) If the shroud had been in Jesus’ tomb, his disciples would no doubt have discussed it and the images on it. However, the Bible says nothing about such a discussion.
Should the shroud be venerated?
No. Even if it were authentic, venerating it would still be wrong. Consider Bible principles that explain why.
1. It is unnecessary. Jesus explained: “God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:24) True worship does not involve the use of religious relics or icons.
2. It is forbidden. The Ten Commandments forbid idolatry. (Deuteronomy 5:6-10) Likewise, the Bible commands Christians: “Guard yourselves from idols.” (1 John 5:21) Some might argue that for them the shroud is not an idol but an icon, or symbol, of their religious faith. However, an icon becomes an idol to the person who venerates it. Therefore, a person who wants to please God will not show devotion or reverence to any object, including the shroud.
Scientific analysis of the shroud
Since the late 19th century, researchers have tried to use scientific methods to test the authenticity of the shroud. Some of these tests have proven inconclusive. However, in 1988, the Vatican submitted small samples taken from the shroud to three laboratories in different countries. After the laboratories subjected the samples to radiocarbon dating, each one concluded that the shroud was from the 13th or 14th century.
this is not Jesus. your being lied to
@alexshatner3907
It is obvious that you did not watch the video. He answers several of your criticisms. The multiple cloths is stressed by him about the cloth of Oviedo. The radiometric dating is debunked because they did not use standard scientific practice to test multiple sites on the shroud. Instead they took only a thread from a restored piece of the cloth which had cotton added to it (the shroud is pure linen). The part they tested also had been subjected to burning. They hid these results for 27 years, and when the raw data was finally released, it was obvious why they withheld it all these years. More modern tests, if you had actually watched the video, show it to be from the first century. He mentions the age and confidence levels in the video. Please watch the video and stop spreading your ignorance as a Professor of 30 years.
@@TruthTalkDave The professed Christian writers of the third and fourth centuries, many of whom wrote about a host of so-called miracles in connection with numerous relics, do not mention the existence of a shroud containing the image of Jesus. Some claim that the shroud had been hidden during all these years. Still, even after the supposed burial shroud of Jesus had been “discovered,” according to seventh-century writers, there is no mention of an image on it. Shroud advocate P. A. Beecher lists a considerable number of individuals who saw the shroud between the seventh and thirteenth centuries, one who even “kissed it,” and yet not one mentioned the image. This is hard to understand, since 15th- and 16th-century viewers, according to Jesuit scholar Herbert Thurston, “describe the impressions on the shroud as so vivid in detail and colouring that they might have been quite freshly made.”
It was not until 1205 that a French soldier, Robert de Clari, reported seeing “the sindon [shroud] in which our Lord was enveloped . . . stretched upright, so that one could easily see the figure of our Savior.” Concerning this long period of silence, Ian Wilson, a backer of the shroud, asks some very searching questions:
“How could such a fascinating piece of cloth as the Shroud of Turin, if genuine, have gone totally unrecorded over thirteen centuries, suddenly to turn up in fourteenth-century France?
“Could it have been hidden away all the time, due to Jewish and Roman persecution of Christians, followed by the danger to all image-bearing objects during the period of the iconoclastic controversy (725-842)? This was most unlikely.
“There were four hundred years from the conversion of Constantine the Great to the onset of iconoclasm, during which many previously ‘hidden’ relics came to light, including the entire True Cross, the crown of thorns, the nails, the purple cloak, the reed, the stone of the sepulcher, and many others. There was ample opportunity for such an important and unmistakable relic as the Turin Shroud to come to light. Yet there was no record of any such event.”
One cannot but wonder, in view of the significance of this relic, why it took almost 1,200 years before mention was made of the image on it.
Scientific and Historical Problems
Many theories have come and gone as to how the image was formed. Most scientists agree that the latest findings have shown that the whole image was produced from the same cause, perhaps from some process that “scorched” it.
This scientific conclusion presents some problems, for it indicates that the impression on the shroud should be basically one color, simply varying in intensity. Yet 16th-century viewers indicated that it was made up of two different colors. Not only did artistic reproductions of the time show it multicolored, but one observer, Chifflet, said:
“The figure of Turin shows hardly anything but dark crimson stains, . . . the marks of the wounds seem to be painted in over the impression of the body, which is in a thin pale yellow.”
One could wonder if today’s shroud is the same as the one displayed back in the 14th century and labeled a fraud by the then Roman Catholic bishop Henry de Troyes (France) and said to have been “cunningly painted.” Joseph Hanlon, writing in New Scientist, raises an interesting possibility:
“But could there have been a double fake, one in the 14th century and another in the last century? The shroud was widely shown in the 15th and 16th centuries, but not later. Could it be that the first fraud became too obvious? . . . Might the shroud’s owners have done a better job in that time, using modern technology and medical knowledge, including tests such as Barbet’s, and using ancient linen from the middle east? Might a statue have been created solely for this purpose, heated to give an impression on the cloth, and then destroyed? . . . Nevertheless, there have been a number of sophisticated Victorian archaeological frauds, so we cannot ignore this possibility.”
Others have suggested the use of a mixture of myrrh and aloes rubbed over a bas-relief (a picture with three-dimensional features) to produce a similar image. However, Adam Otterbein, president of the Holy Shroud Guild, concluded: “How the image was formed may be a mystery to the end of time. . . . It’s doubtful whether science will ever be able to prove how this was done.”
the tea towel of turin mate, this is great stuff, it's why people aren't signing up to the bigots club anymore (pew and gallup) you all look daft.
This is incredible thank you for this interview❤
Fr. Never doubted “the shroud” ever! Thx for the vid! 🔥✝️🔥
The way you said that we look at and say I win is really important for my understanding. Thanks
Excellent conversation. Thank you
Awe inspiring!!! Thank You, Lord Jesus!!! Thank you Fr. Spitzer for sharing the science behind the shroud. 🙏
Thank you, Jesus! ❤🙏I love You, have mercy on me a sinner!
Love this honestly 💖
The suffering my lord went through. He knew it was beyond our understanding for our subs . I have AB positive, and I never knew his blood type until now. He is being buried today on good Friday and will rise on Sunday, April 9 2023.❤
I'm B positive.
Christians boast their lacking quality-control,
as if we all wanted leaders with one foot in fantasyland.
Theologians prove doctorates are granted based on nothing whatsoever.
Christians simply insist we follow their directions from fantasyland, adopt their vocabulary, because Christians have zero quality-control.
Imperial Rome made this cult so every Alex Jones in the country knows enough to put Jesus-lingo in the sales-pitch.
There is always peril when pointing out reality to Christians.
Christians simply insist we follow their directions from fantasyland, adopt their vocabulary, because Christians have zero quality-control.
Imperial Rome made this cult so every Alex Jones in the country knows enough to put Jesus-lingo in the sales-pitch.
Christians boast their lack of quality-control.
The same god we know for a perfect record of doing nothing,
is their servant for an unmeasurable number of prayers.
Why would anyone confess Jesus Christ as Lord,
when voting is a quality-control?
Republicans rig the voting districts.
The SCOTUS writes of its own stench.
Christians are avoided like the old woman with too many cats,
suggesting we travel best with one foot in fantasyland,
based on butchered context in Roman propaganda.
Who do you think licensed temples, controlled publication,
crucified when imperial Rome created Christians?
Why do you think every Alex Jones in the country,
uses Jesus-lingo in the sales-pitch?
The problem is;
We depend on the fiction of government being better than no government, actually working, with voting as a quality-control.
Christians boast having no quality-control.
The same god we know for a perfect record of doing nothing,
is their servant for an unmeasurable number of prayers.
The only difference between a Republican & Democrat
is how fast the knee hits the floor when a donor walks in the room.
There is no plan, not for greenhouse gases, as long as energy is needed to keep the show on the road.
Christians demand ownership of the narrative: We are all gods, children of the highest god.
The ultimate vanity is declared,
as they make a scene in the temple.
Christians are the wolves in sheep's clothing,
weighing in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones,
would-be dictators suggesting we must all travel together,
as if we all prefer leadership with one foot in fantasyland.
We know a tree by the fruit.
We know a man by his works.
We thank God secular law & order
finally ended the witch-killings & inquisitions.
Jesus Christ says a wicked generation seeks signs,
then the Christians: Self-authorized experts on deity-stuff,
dictate what is sacred,
holy scripture,
having magic in every chapter.
The problem is ignoring Christians.
Those act as if the rest of us can prefer leadership traveling with one foot in fantasyland.
God chooses winners in their end time cult.
Their god outside of fiction,
is the same god well-known for the perfect record of doing nothing.
Hence, we say, God helps those helping themselves.
And, Christians are avoided like the old woman with too many cats.
And, we thank God:
Secular law & order eventually ended the witch-killing & inquisitions.
There is no evidence Democracy works at scale.
Not with endless wars, & too big to fail.
The science of greenhouse gases was ignored.
Now, is "too late" - 1979.
Biden just opened up places to drill, as if Limits to Growth had not predicted our worst path.
The only difference between a Republican & Democrat is how fast the knee hits the floor,
when a donor walks in the room.
Some are so insane, they share other people's delusions. We can't talk about how deep the problem is. The big problem is the Christian communicating as if his self-authorized opinions allowed for his weighing-in on whatnot, as if the Earth had gravity-free zones. It discloses the presentation is a fraud created by those in delusion, those willing to ignore credibility, to publicly insult intelligence with suggestions we travel with one foot in fantasyland. The Christian, authorized by himself, is routinely permitted to weigh-in on whatnot, as if the earth had gravity-free zones. The Gospels, being a joke, have their master say a wicked generation seeks signs. Then, the Christian declares sacred text, with a sign in every chapter. Even Mary is a slur. Can't have too many Mary' in a story. Even Alex Jones knows to use Jesus-lingo, they will buy anything. But wait, there's more. The Christian has a divine sense of vanity. We are all gods, Children of the Highest. Jesus is never depicted as short, fat & balding. He has extra long arms on the shroud so even in death, the Christian can admire his modesty.
Do you know how many lords there are in the Bible and other ancient texts? How do you even know who you are summoning?
@@saltybits9954 One can count on a Christian spouting certainty about summoning outside of fiction. That is why they are avoided like the old woman with too many cats.
Thats what Catholics do every mass. A ritual. Satanic in nature disguised with Jesus, while cannibalizing his body every Sunday. Rituals. So NO. You do not know what it is that is summoned.
It’s REAL! Everyone needs to hear the good news, and absorb what it means for them.
My Grandaughter killed herself, the love of God and his Mercy sustained me and her Father , and still does…….
She grew all her gifts, gave joy to all that met her!!!!!
I'm so very , very sorry Clara. May God continue to comfort you. I can't even begin to imagine your grief. I have a grand daughter myself. ❤
@@kathymacellis9478 thank you, she is at peace now.
I believe God’s Mercy is greater than any action we take.
@@claravitale4510 Absolutely !
I honestly think people can’t phathom or comprehend total love, sacrifice & giving what else can it be?
I loved the emotion in this video 😊
Our Lord has already confirmed, in one long and beautiful message in the 90s, to mystic Vassula Ryden, that the shroud of Turin is his Shroud.
Thank you so much and God bless you for sharing this. It's truly amazing.
Absolutely awesome topic ❤🎉
man, the facts already has me but man that outro cements it.
Its the Crown of Thorns that I got overwhelmed with pain and sorrow for Jesus….
One expert described it as a "cap" of thorns, hastily put together by a Roman soldier. And at the end of tremendous suffering, Jesus said "Father forgive them"
My heart is so full of love for Him.
I was told spiritually that the shroud is real be blessed be the name of Jesus Christ who is very present and near to those who call upon him .
standing before the shroud. Laying before the cross on Calvary. Kneeling in the tomb...
I need to go back.
Fr. Robert Spitzer gave enough material for movie Passion of Christ 2
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❤ I have no words 😭
Thank you so much and God bless you for sharing this.
It really saddens me what poor Jesus went through for us! I'm so happy the shroud of Turin is here to prove God is real! I love you Jesus, I'm very grateful you saved us all! Jesus our savior! ❤
We love because He first loved us ✝️ 🌹 if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
something else to keep in mind: the blood on the Shroud of Turin is AB-of which only 5% of the world's population have. additionally, the blood type found on the Sudarium of Oviedo (believed to be the facecloth that was used to cover the face of Jesus as He was being taken off the cross) is also AB. the odds of finding the same incredibly rare blood type on 2 ancient pieces of cloth are extremely low. that said, considering this and everything else we know about the Shroud of Turin-both forensically and historically-i personally believe _both_ artifacts are in fact, authentic and genuine to the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ!
AB type also discovered on all the analysed Eucharistic miracles!
@@anumohanparameswarapanicke8246 NO, really? this, i haven't heard. can you give any specific examples? probably going to end up down another rabbit hole... but i think it'd be worth it!
God gave us a picture of our Savior and his suffering. The peace you can see on his face is amazing. Anyone dying that type of death would not have such a peaceful expression, unless it was Jesus.
Dank je! Erg mooi en interessant gesprek.
Wow... this was great. Thank you Jesus my Lord
Jesus predicted how skeptical we can get thinking we are smart, so He left this to shut up our demons
I remember watching that when they took that thread that was questionable. A couple had done a documentary on it.
As an Orthodox Christian, I appreciate the work of others in showing the shrouds authenticity. I believe it is a real relic.
The only question is:
You realize that today's Christianity is orthodox and neo..
are you on the wrong path?
Lost for 2 thousand years!
@@janoselter3743 not sure I understand your question/point.
@@andys3035 I'm talking about:
If the shroud is authentic, then Christianity went astray for 2000 years because of the apostle Paul.
The true followers of Jesus followed a different path than Paul!
Otherwise, Jesus would turn in his grave - if he does not rise - if he hears - what the Apostle Paul taught about him...
His true followers, who had the shroud, remained Jews. As long as they were not denied synagogues. Then they built their own and painted Jesus...
as shown on the shroud --- 1700 years ago...on the wall of their synagogue...
@@janoselter3743 I'm not sure how you go from questioning the authenticity of the shroud to alleging that Paul is the reason the Christian faith went astray. What evidence do you have?
@@andys3035 The shroud is authentic!
Jesus was indeed buried in this.
The apostle Paul was also convinced by this, not the road to Damascus...
However, we now know that the story of Adam and Eve is just an origin myth.
If, on the other hand, there was no original sin - then there is no need for redemption!
so Jesus rose, but not for salvation..
p.s. Paul was also wrong where he takes the Bible as evidence...
Thank you very much 🙏
Great video
This was the BEST video on the Holy Shroud of Jesus, our Lord!
Re the shroud. Yes, I believe that is my Lord, Jesus, but he was so badly beaten up, broken nose, beaten up and swollen face. It hurts to see it, but He was resurrected with a glorified body, but with the wounds still present. I love Him so much 😢🙏
For God all things is possible!
So amazing
This was awesome. Thank you
“The worship of the Church is the gracious gift of God to an insecure, distraught, and confused humanity. It is not as though the material and visible aspect of our worship becomes somehow unspiritual and second-rate when we begin to reflect on the hidden mystery of our faith. The outward and visible signs bring us the reality and the power of the risen Christ, but that reality and that power are displayed, shown forth, made manifest, found, experienced in and through what we see, hear smell, touch and see. The sacramental and liturgical worship of his Church is God’s gift to human beings with bodies and souls. It is God’s gift; and our way back to him is through this worship.”[Jonathan Robinson “The Mass and Modernity” pg. 262]
Gloria in excelsis Deo and Ave Maria.
Father Robert Spitzer :👍💪🙏⛪
8:50 "completely wackadoodle" . That made me laugh😂. This man made me rethink my conceptions about the shroud. I'm forever grateful for his contributions to spreading the good news. We all should be talking about this nonstop. For our Lord and Savior JesusChrist.🙌
I love this stuff but am wondering how do we explain the separate head cloth?
It says on John's Gospel that the cloth was folded up and set aside in the tomb.
The most convincing and irrefutable evidence of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I hope there’s be an artistic cinematic dignified representation of the resurrection. I think it’d be like a lightning flash hence the Shroud’s “flash burn” into the cloth. This needs to happen I think. Perhaps Mel Gibson can pull this off.
I wrote a 12-page error list for Mell G.'s Passion.
He was so far from reality in his fiction.
Out of the many idiots, does anyone finally want to know the TRUTH?
Thank you 🙏
At 12:23 Father Spitzer speaks about the more recent tests done to the Shroud where it was concluded that the cloth dates back to about the time of Christ's death. It's not clear in this video or other videos where this is discussed. My question is: What part of the cloth were these later samples taken? As far as I know, the only samples given by the church were the Raes sample and the carbon 14 tests samples. I'm also aware Ray Rogers was given a few strands that he kept in a safe place where he re-examined the threads and concluded there was cotten in them. But WHERE were the samples taken from for the later tests that father Spitzer speaks at 12:23 ? My point is if these later tests were taken from the same area as the carbon 14 pieces, or the adjacent Raes sample, then all of the newer tests must also be invalid. Why? Because they would all be based on samples taken from the corner which was later sewn on by the Poor Clair Nuns in the 15th century. Please explain to me why I am wrong.
Amendment to the above. I just did a little research. It appears that at lease one of the later tests shows that the sample was taken from the area were the carbon 14 samples were taken. See the abstract here. www.mdpi.com/2571-9408/5/2/47/htm Even though this later test conflicts with the carbon 14 sample, isn't it too invalid if we assume that a side-strip was sewn on by the Poor Clair Nuns in the 15th century? The most common argument for the invalidity of the carbon 14 samples is that it tested a later added side-strip. So if this newer test did the same and came up with a date consistent with the death of Christ, isn't this new test called into question? If the newer test is accurate, then there could not have been a side strip added?
A Sinner oh Jesus I Thank you!
The only reason not to believe in Jesus' resurrection after honestly looking at the information on the shroud is because you don't want to believe. Doing so means you would have to change your life. You are stuck and happy in your sin. Unfortunately, you are also doomed. He left this behind to save the "doubting Thomases". This is your chance. Don't miss it.
I would suggest hearing public lectures by the original photographer hired to document the Shroud 40 years ago. His treatment of the topic is far more impressive than what you see here and provides a great deal more cross referencing.
Great channel & thanks for the vid. Though here’s a small consideration for future interviews…When a guest is speaking, it’s easier to focus & hear them when the host is silent. Giving real-time feedback during an interview (such as “wow” or “uh-huh”) can be distracting… it throws off the convo loop, over-rides words & even affects subtitles.
I think Christ could not contain himself, as oftentimes I do when presented with something very compelling.
Amen 🙏
It's a nuclear energy how it was "laser" etched like a laser printing on cloth (and curved at that).
Truly it'sJesus and he's historical.
God bless, Revelation 21:4
Thankyou for loving me for the person I am. I sinned and you still love me. The true definition of love. I am in your debt. I love you like you love me
We look at winning and say it’s the journey not the destination
I tottally believe that THE SHROUD IS REAL. PLEASE I NEED YOU THE RESURECTED JESUS AMEN
I believe
Amazing!
my old problem with the image on the cloth is if it was wrapped somewhat around jesus' head, the image should be a 'projection' onto the cloth, making an facial image that is stretched. i see a very narrow image on the cloth. (like how a map projection distorts the shapes/sizes of the countries on a map). if you were to spray paint a manequin and wrap a shroud around it while the paint is wet, then look at the image when you stretch out the cloth...........but....not sure exactly how the cloth is wrapped around the body, so.....i could imagine a flash of energy at resurrection but wouldn't that radiate out in all directions instead of apparently straight up and straight down.