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sexual preferences no matter what cannot be changed. NONE of them can be fixed. They like what they like. Same as anyone. Remove them from society permanently. I don't care how. Some have 100's of child victims.
(OP) *_|||"I love the sheriffs response, 'dont be a sex offender if you don't want to be on the sex offender list' "|||_* I don't know what is worse: the fact that the sheriff even said this, your support for his saying it, or the fact that you don't see what's wrong with it. All his statement has done is show a dishonest unwillingness to assess the situation at hand: that sex offenders had served their time, some unfairly so, and should be given the right to properly reintegrate back into society as productive citizens, so that they don't repeat their old criminal ways. Sweeping an issue under the rug doesn't nullify that the issue is still there If Lord forbid your own beloved male family member got placed on the registry, deserved or not, and he struggled his after-prison life away trying to maintain even a meager existence, I hope you have the nerve to tell him to "[not] be a sex offender, if [he doesn't] want to be on the sex offender list."
@@achen5689 People don't like to Synaptics with those who have made mistakes. People are extremely closed minded and don't want to admit just how complex it actually is.
His response is his opinion and he has the right to. However tax payers do not elect sheriffs to be the judge or jury. He doesn't get to decide if someone that committed a sex offense gets a slap on the wrist or not, the legal system decides that. I think police need really have that drilled into their head because, too often they believe they get to hand out a sentence.
DNA isn't foolproof (though usually "good enough"), and eye-witnesses are _notoriously unreliable_ and that's just when third-parties witness something, let alone actual victims, especially victims of this, which usually make a point of looking away or closing their eyes; they don't normally look the attacker in the face and make eye-contact. Not to mention the race-blindness. Chances are he's guilty, but it's hardly a demonstrable fact.
Sexting a minor is considered sexual abuse. It’s already past the point of grooming when they are texting the victim sexually explicit statements or content.
No it really happens actually. In California back in the day a 19 year old got in trouble for sexting his 17 YEAR OLD GF which is strange since it’s only a 2 year age difference.
Did she really say it's absurd to ban sex offenders from working as ice cream truck drivers, Santas or Easter bunnies??? That's literally the most common sense law I've ever heard of. Makes sense to me.
@@chrisgo6478 Sex offenders, particularly those who abuse children, should not be allowed to work in close proximity to children (their prime victims). Why on God's green Earth does this need to be explained to you? Even if ice-cream man wasn't the greatest example, you get what they're trying to say. I swear, yall UA-cam commenters be arguing just for the sake of it. Why are you being a contrarian for the sake of p*dophiles and r*pists, is the better question. Not every devil needs an advocate.
I thought that too. I'm like, actually that sounds like a good idea... predators purposefully choose roles/jobs like that to access kids so it does make sense to ban known sex offenders from that. That's the least we can do, lol.
??? you could use this same argument against any type of violent criminal. A civilised society works to understand and rehabilitate. Locking up child molesters won't forever banish it from happening. It will only make you feel superior and violate basic aspects of the justice system and human rights.
It really isn't difficult to understand why. Those professions allow you access near children. If you have a working brain you'd easily understand why they are prevented from doing that
@@davidkeogh9276 ok, if their eyes and ears tell them one thing, and you say another, the burden of proof is yours, they can easily continue believing their eyes and ears, and why shouldn’t they?
Exactly! All I see when it shows all these people is the potential victims and their struggles and trauma. How old was their victim? How long did it go on for? But none of them even care, they just care about themselves and how sorry they are for themselves.
I work with SO’s almost every day, and I can tell you, most do not believe they did anything wrong. They feel that they’re the victims. The person they assaulted has to live with it forever, and so should the offenders. Period.
I don't understand how they could feel that they are the victims . They assaulted their victims and destroyed their lives and they are victims of their own actions and their perverted mind, that they choose to give into.
I highly doubt you work with Sex Offenders.. I think you are seriously talking out loud and spreading a lot of untrue nonsense... Because most of the Sex Offenders that I work with have admitted to making a stupid decision and they feel that they are victims of a system that all of the counselors in my same facility believe is "broken & not helping" just like the victim in this video also said. Anyone who works with Sex Offenders like you claim, will not come to youtube and post those kind of comments. Especially if you have full access to their court documents...
@@TheMradampturner My comment was not directed at you, Bud. I'm only saying that I've read all the comments and everyone claiming to work with sex offenders doesn't actually work with them to be coming here to the internet making up a bunch of lies like what this woman did in the comments. I work with these people every day and the message I have gotten after almost 6 years is the complete opposite of what this person claimed. It's sad...
@@TheMradampturner Even the victim in this video has agreed that the registry us only a tool to punish instead of help. If you're going to continue to add punishment to someone who has already served the sentence then I think it's a fair statement to say that you also can't expect them to not be involved with more crime in the future because they no longer have anything to care about at that point.
im normally on the side of VICE, but as someone who lived through sexual violence, I have very little pitty for these people. It's been nearly 12 years and i still go to therapy. My life has never been the same. I live with PTSD, Depression, and perpetual anxiety, which are medicated. I struggled to stay afloat financially because of my inability to keep a job for a prolonged period of time. I even attempted suicide twice. I've forgiven the actions of the man who wronged me, but I don't think he should be allowed to live a normal life after that, and I know there are some who are wrongly charged and put on that list and i feel for them, but if you commit the crime, you must be willing to accept the consequences. I had no choice, why should you?
I 100 percent agree with you if they cant afford the 100 dollars to register i think its alright for them to stay in prison honestly but for people who were just accused i think it could be overwhelming i honestly think we should just send them to an island and let them battle it out
I understand you because I grew up around a victim of a sex crime and it has made her a totally different person sadly a violent person just waiting to go off, I hope those who have suffered from this terrible crime gain the strength and help needed to take your life back , be safe people do care about you.
Ashif isn't rehabilitated! The fact that he sent a sexually explicit picture to someone even if it wasn't intended for that person says everything! I felt so bad for his victim when she cried because he still hasn't excepted responsibility for his assault on her even though there was DNA! If anything his story proves that most sex offenders can't be rehabilitated!
Ashif reinforced the need for these restrictions. He never admitted he was guilty even with DNA evidence and then he sends out an unsolicited dic pic. He's still lying and not taking responsibility.
@@TanukiOfficial Aishef is a typical sex offender in that he says it was never him, he was unfairly convicted, it wasn't his fault and that he shouldn't be punished and then goes right ahead and commits another sex offense.
There are people who still think government is the solution to our pedophile problem. they are not the solution. The solution is an Army of Mama Bears doing what a real bear would do to anyone and anything that messes with her cubs.
I was raped by 2 guys when I was 10. That day I lost my innocence, it changed my life forever, we never forget... it's been 45 years now. Sex offenders are monsters.
What is concerning is that there is not a “murderer” registry. Someone could be released after killing someone, move next door to your family, and you will NEVER know unless they tell you
Because, for instance, there is a difference in being put on a registry for murder when it was a crime of passion than if you were put on a registry for a crime of passion with a minor.
I was not prepared for the interviewer to tell the victim that her abuser said she is lying….who said this was a good idea? This is so damaging to a victim’s mental health and THEN you’re trying to help him? That was a low blow to me. It hurt my feelings when she started cry. She seemed okay until she told her that piece of information.
@@matthewscott4629 I think it is complicated. I don't condone this behavior, an ex psycho colleague of mine just got caught with child pornography and I knew something was deeply wrong with him, he was a psycho with me too when he was department head. So I have direct experience of people like these. But it is scary to think people that did something wrong and want to get back to society and redeem themselves basically almost cannot given all these restrictions. Also, consider that a lot of these safety measures are really "safety theater". We have a lot of supposed safety measures in society that do almost nothing besides giving the illusion of safety and politicians use them to get support. If a predator wants to do something bad he will not care about these restrictions and do it anyway. But if somebody wants to change his life after having been in prison for years and years basically he cannot given he cannot find a job, a place where to live, and so on. This actually could make society much less safe. There are several studies showing that rehabilitation helps much more than punishment and crazy restrictions like these.
Thanks for this compelling piece of journalism Vice. I used to have a really harsh view of sex offenders. After watching this documentary however, I have an even harsher view of them. Serious sex offenders who are convicted with strong evidence should be locked up for life.
Most pedophiles have molested not just one but multiple times with many victims who are left with a life sentence of coping with many emotional and mental issues. There are so many perpetrators out there who never get reported and repeatedly offend. I have no sympathy for them if they are caught and don’t believe they can be rehabilitated.
@@be4202where I work if they find out you have children, they try and manipulate trying to get information about the kids. I’ve had that happen to me more then I can count.
@@k.k.londonsounds like drag queen story time hour, which drives me insane that it’s legal smh. Morality, not the one displayed by liberals and Hollywood, is truly lost in America.
Him sending a picture of his genitalia should've been reported to his parole officer. It shows that he does not understand or respect boundaries and he's showing that he's very likely to offend again. Her not reporting this is incredibly irresponsible and putting people at risk. Stop calling him a complex person and call him what he is, a sex offender who will offend again because he already did despite knowing the consequences.
hello.... she mentioned it in this documentary, what makes you think she did not report it ? Do you think the parole officer lives on Mars or does not have access to youtube ?
It was an accident due to all the ho azz's out there sliding into his DM's! He'sbeen locked up so long & don't have a clue on how to use a smart phone!
Sorry vice you lost me on this one. We have scores of inmates on non violent offenses suffering needlessly and I’m gonna go ahead and give my sympathy to them instead of the rapists.
There are people like that who are registered sex offenders, too. I know an excellent mother who can’t go to her kids’ school because she was an alcoholic . She peed in the alley more than once, because she had a weak bladder and impaired judgment. I saw her paperwork.
Oops…just finished reading the thread. I agree that Vice chose poor examples. I think this episode gives people who peed or changed clothes while homeless a disservice.
@@seankelly378 Why not try actually looking at your local registry it shows the crimes they were convicted and put on the registry for... I almost guarantee you will be hard pressed to find many if any of those types of cases around you. Most of them have horrible cases with extremely young victims a lot of them multiple victims and convictions. Maybe 1% of people on the registry are on there for undeserved things like public urination. Within 50 miles of my house I can only find one person who maybe shouldn't be on there because he was 21 and hooked up with a 17 year old. The rest all very much deserve to be on there and many don't deserve freedom or even air for that matter...
A LOT of people can't get a job or a stable living situation right now, these individuals aren't special in that regard. And there's no moral law that says people who commit egregious crimes against their fellow man, particularly crimes that weren't driven by poverty and necessity (such as sex crimes) are somehow entitled to an easy route to making a life for themselves after prison. Things are hard for EVERYONE right now. Things are probably hard for their victims as well. Truth be told, many of the things these offenders are whining about, victims of SA go through routinely throughout their lives due to extreme trauma and the mental disabilities it causes. Go into any homeless shelter, and you'll likely meet people, especially women, who've been victims of SA in childhood as well as throughout multiple periods in their adult lives and it's greatly affected their ability to hold down a job and keep stable housing. Then throw drug addiction into the mix, and things get even more difficult. These people also struggle with getting the services they need to have a stable life for themselves, and they're often thrown in jail for non violent crimes which only makes their ability to reintegrate into society even harder. These are the people I, and most of American society should care about as far as this broken system is concerned. The people who were dealt a horrible hand in life and were abused beyond mention, but have never hurt anyone other than themselves as a result. People who deliberately harm others through nothing other than their defective sexual deviancy really shouldn't be high up on anyone's list of priorities regarding their lack of ability to make a life for themselves.
@Adam Peel There's no way to force someone to hire or house a known/accused sex offender. I'm a Negro. I've been apartment hunting and denied based on my ethnicity. I knew it, the landlord knew it, but proving it in a court of law would be another thing. If a landlord allows them to live on their property and they abuse again, is the landlord now an accessory since they knew who they were housing? These are adults who did these things. People who knew right from wrong and decided that fulfilling their lusts was worth whatever trauma they caused to another. They did this to themselves!
@@STARSAPPHIRE91 Yes they are. You're either lying or misinformed. This is the most severely targeted population around the world today and it's pretty clear that people like you would just rather people like me didn't exist. Well guess what? We're still around doing our thing and you just need to get used to it.
its not that sex offenders are becoming more prevalent due to the laws is that the laws are helping uncover unreported cases and making people speak out more often, it seems like there is an increase in sex offenders but in reality is an increase in people reporting them
It's not as simple as that, if you're honest. As the cop noted one is the child pornography laws which means a lot of people simply by sitting alone in their home can commit a sex crime and even be labeled a predator. The for-profit prison industry encourages more laws and more opportunities for incarceration, along with inflating the recidivism rates for new sex offenses.
My roommate was sexually assaulted by her step-father from 6 years old to 13. He only got 6 years in prison. She's 53 now and still has nightmares, anxiety, and has been going to therapy all these years. It doesn't help.
@patricia Manroe - please tell your roommate to look into EMDR therapy (assuming she hasn't already). My situation was very similar to hers - I was molested by my step-father from as young as I can remember (2 or 3 maybe?) until about 12 - when I told my mother what happened. He was never arrested (my mom didn't call the police) and never convicted, spent a single day in prison. I, like her, was in therapy for my entire adult life. Age 47, I started doing EMDR therapy and it changed my life. All the best to her - and you!
This is what i said about this WOKE video. They are trying to normalise peados. When shes talking to that cop. One of the reasons that the numbers of sex offenders hasnt gone down IS DUE TO MASS PORNOGRAPHY. she is highly condescending to someone who works in this area with VICTIMS she seems a bit WOKE 🤨🤨🤨🤨and irritating. Immature. I find her on the psychopathic spectrum a peado apologist
There lives are only ruined forever because you keep Saying it is, Giving the person no hope for Healing, Speak for yourself, if You want your life ruined forever I am Healed and free from the Past Thank you Jesus, And I Still Forgave 🙏🏽 ❤️🔥☝🏽🙌🏽
I know. I can't stand this crap. I've seen other docs about offenders and the interviewer tries to make them the victim... even having gofundmes for them
Better yet don't commit any offense that has has even the slightest potential to one day be added to the registry cause the addition would be retroactive.
This is the same thing that saying to a guy "just never have sex", some people are wired differently, child atracction is a illness not 100% just pure evil
Notice how she used the terms "so called sex offenses" and "registered person". These terms are right out of the Sympathy for Sex Offender's playbook. She did not use them by accident. She also stated, "accused of" when these people have already been convicted.
Exactly. The is the worst piece of hack job journalism that Vice has allowed to be produced. I don’t think that I can watch any more pieces done by “Alice” without seeing her work (and her as a person) negatively.
@@tomasrocha6139 People on the registry for peeing outdoors is a myth. That's not a sex offense. That's something that sex offenders try to say that they were not really committing a sex offense when they were actually caught fondling themselves in public.
My daughter was raped when she was 14 years old. I was not informed about the prediters fate. No registry at that time and he was shielded from me and the public at large. She is still negatively affected as an adult . A life sentance for her. Life sentance for affenders is appreciate for sure. 5/27/2023.
It's only a life sentence for her because you keep putting that in her head, thus far she will believe it, Leaving no room for healing, You do more damage by Saying that then good, I Know because I healed and Life life free now, Thanks be to God 🙏🏽❤️🔥🙌🏽☝🏽
I’m so tired of society trying to normalize sexual violence. I hate that innocent people get accused but please for the sake of us all we need to know who and where these people are
Theyre trying to normalize being corrupt. Politicans get dirty money. Doctors give you drugs and mutilate childrens genatils for money. Social media censors people who support freedom of speech while they allow for terrorist to thrive
The guy who molested his cousin is ridiculous, obviously your family doesn't want you around if you molested a family member... Also, it doesn't mean they don't forgive you, but it can retraumatize a sexual assault victim to see their assaulter on a daily basis. Sorry but that's obviously a consequence from your actions you have to live with, what did you expect.
My biological father has been trying to reconnect with our family over the years. He raped and molested me for years as a kid, and although I'm in my 30s and have been living my life (also thanks to lots and lots of therapy) I don't care if adult family members chat with him or reconnect, but if I went somewhere and he was there then I'd leave and only cause an issue if there were any of my nieces or nephews there. But from what I've heard from my siblings, he's been trying to reconnect with them for almost 20 years and the only thing I had to say to my sister was that she better not ever leave him around her kids and if she ever does choose to introduce them then someone needs to be watching every single interaction like their life depends on it because in my opinion no one's guard should ever be down around him, especially when there's kids around. He's been complaining about how he's not able to ever see or get to know his grandkids, he's been isolated from his family...etc. If someone wants to have contact with him then that's on them and they're living their life their way. I'd still likely have contact with that family member but I'm not going to have contact with him.
What the cop said "don't commit sex offences if you don't want to be on the register " is exactly how I feel about them too. If you've done the crime then it's too bad if people stigmatise you, because, you can be sure, your victims will have to live with your actions for life, so why are you wanting special treatment? They are not babies and are not usually mentally ill, they know what they are doing is wrong, so they should just grow up and accept the punishment. I am sure their victims don't want to hear about their housing problems and neither do the majority of the public. If you cannot do the time, don't do the crime! Of course, I am not speaking about people who were convicted for oral sex and digital penetration at age 15, but, as I write this I am thinking how old was the victim, as this is what will define this crime. I think there should be clear distinction between the types of crimes and I get the feeling that she's playing down his crime and the inconsistencies in the register. I really don't think you get on the register accidentally, I think you have to have been proved a danger. I really think she's trying to downplay the importance of these rules and, I wonder, if she would feel the same if she'd been a victim.
I'm pretty sure there are different levels, or tiers, of the SOR, from low-risk to high-risk in terms of danger to the public. Unfortunately, being on that list at all is incredibly stigmatized, so yes, someone who's a Tier 1 (the least risk to the public, if I remember correctly) for urinating in a park at night or maybe for sexting with their teenage partner (if both are teens) is looked at with as much disdain and hatred as the Tier 4 (highest risk I think) who raped and killed someone. I'm not sure what the numbers are in terms of how many people account for which tier levels, but the fact that there's a wide range of offenses on that list can be problematic all around.
"nothings gonna stop me. Not DNA. Not someone's opinion." Man is positively thinking his way out of sexual assault. This dude is completely separated from reality.
I think the presentation of this is skewed, the section about Geoff for example casually mentioned that he was convicted of not just a sexual offence but also 'soliciting her murder' - I'm sorry but, that's not a small thing? Are we supposed to be feeling sorry for him? Let's not use the word 'stigma' about sex offences and murder - we are not in the wrong for feeling wary of these people, they are not the victims of an undeserving stigma here.
I was like, wait what? with that, too. (The murder thing.) I am aware that there are people who are against the registry and think it's unfair, awful, inhumane, etc. So, I guess that's the stance this documentary was attempting to take. Ironically though it only seemed to confirm that the registry is needed. There was nothing compelling in here to show me that that the registry is exceedingly unfair. And I'm even on the open-minded side of having sympathy for what perpetrators probably went through in their own childhoods. etc. Maybe I can see that more services could be put in place to help find housing immediately after prison, or to help with the transition from prison to out-of-prison (like bus tickets to rural areas or something). Buuuut other than that, this doc did the opposite of convincing me the registry is wrong.
Right? Like, there is stigma against victims of these crimes, and THAT'S uncalled for, but a perpetrator and predator SHOULD feel some shame for how they affected another human forever. Earned stigma should really just be called "people being wary of those who have PROVEN themselves dangerous."
It gives me comfort that people in the video and comments recognize that the victims live with this forever. I’m affected every day. There’s no getting over it. There’s learning to cope with the pain but the pain’s always there
It’s an every day struggle. The pain of knowing that someone hurt me so much as a child and is now all coming back to me in flashbacks. The fact that I didn’t know I was living with OCPD in response to childhood trauma and I never know what can trigger a flashback memory and send me back into panic mode. I don’t trust anyone. I’m overprotective with my kids. I have such a huge effect on everyone around me. It’s just consuming and exhausting. I live in a mental jail because of what someone like one of these monsters did to me.
Not this man saying I'm not what my offense lables me as, other dude complaing that his family won't talk to him. Like???? I'm so disgusted by these people
I can't be the only one who was extremely irked by the way the reporter was speaking so nonchalanty about the crimes these people committed and how we should feel sympathy for them...
It also means an 18 year old man who has been in a relationship for years with a girl that is just one year younger than him. There is many guys that are now sex offenders because they were 18 when their girlfriend was still 17. I'm a right winger but it is comments like this that come out of right wingers that make people run to the arms of leftist and communists. It is because we are not fair, judgmental and desire to punish people for crimes that hurt absolutely no one. There was a stupid comment you made, and it is not grooming.
The are 19 year olds who were convicted of sexing 16 yrs olds...its not always that simple and some convicted people are not perverts...the law should see the difference and judge accordingly
@@uberdriver2955 well the adult should clearly understand this is by law not allowed and how are they even convicted unless someone reported it like a parent. Which is completely valid. I don’t think kids should be producing child porn even if its legal to be with their significant other.
Two 16/17 year olds sexting each other and then getting arrested on CP charges is deranged. How is that even child grooming? You never heard of teenagers having sex?
I get what you mean, but teenagers sext each other too. It isn't just grooming victims being talked about, it's teenagers being accused of victimizing themselves. A whole other kettle of fish that needs to be treated differently.
Thank you for this Vice. You have truly shown how terrible these people are and have fully convinced me that rapists and convicted pedos should receive the death penalty.
They are not defending they are Making a Change and showing these people can be changed and are actively trying to do so, If they do change that means less kids hurt, Use your brain, Not your hateful heart, Because in God's eyes you are a filthy Sinner in need of mercy and Grace as well 🙏🏽💯
Literally don’t care if they live in filth and squalor. Live with what you did just like your victim has too. As a CSA victim, I hate knowing my abuser is living a good life. I wish him nothing but the worst.
@@braveheart9097 I dunno if she's going to answer, but, to vent a little, mine wasn't, and now he's released after committing his umpteenth felony. Grand larceny, assault on a woman, felony b&e; he's literally been charged for being a habitual felon, but he'll never be charged for what he did to me. How he's still free is beyond me, and it makes me mad. I know the city he lives in. It's in my state. I hate it. I want him dead, because I know he's done similar things.
@@welcometothecafe2793 They're not often released with crimes similar to what you claim happened to you. I work in Texas and most of those dudes with serious assaults don't see the light of day for the next 10-20 years. There are rare occasions though. I'm sorry your abuser was able to be that rare occasion but I hope he really ends up paying for it this time around.
@@braveheart9097 Yeah, the assault charge he got was from the 80s I think, and it was assault on a woman, so... yeah. His last stint was 7 years after committing a lot of robberies and scams, but he's never been charged for sexual assault of any kind. Hope he rots, and, given his life choices, I'm sure he is.
@@Mark-sj3xb These days that's called inherent bias and it means you're a bigot. Forget all that fancy neuroscience nonsense about you brain making generalizations based on experiences in your environment and making judgements most likely to ensure survival for you and your progeny in a dangerous world. Don't listen to your brain. Listen to Vice.
Rehabilitation starts with admitting what you did and sincerely being remorseful about it which I did not see. There was a lot of "poor me" from the offenders and not enough remorse for what they did. And asheefs victim blaming pissed me off. You did do it buddy you did do it That woman was not faking her pain in the interview.
Even if they did you still wouldn't give them a chance Dammed if they do, Dammed if they don't, If they are sincere about changing I think they deserve a chance 🙏🏽💯
But it's funny that the sheriff admitted that there are people who are so psychologically messed up that they don't know what they're doing. So which is it? Did they choose actions that would be on the list, or they just nuts?
I was sexually abused at only 3 years old so I feel no sympathy for these men. I’m 26 years old now and I still suffer from mental trauma from what happened to me and I doubt it will ever go away. These men should have thought it through before committing their crimes 🤷🏼♀️
This is an honest question. In no way am I trying to offend you. If you do not want to answer please feel free not to ma'am. Do you truly remember being abused at the age of 3 or were you told about the abuse? The reason for my question is because most children don't formulate lasting memories until the age of 5. This is obviously due to rapid changes to neurons and synapses in the child's brain.
Alice trying to humanize these offenders is insane even after interviewing the victim and the picture that was sent smh. Vice is wild. Don’t encourage the shame? I’ve seen it all bro
The registry is one of the only things we have. These monsters commit hundreds of offenses before they are ever caught and/or sentenced. They give plea deals bc victims don’t want to testify so the registry is all we have to know who these people are.
It was so clear that Asheef was manipulating the narrative even before getting to the part of sending an inappropriate photo to your producer. I've worked with teens who were offenders and the number one problem is what we called "thinking errors" like denial or gaslighting. This dude was never wrong. All his problems were from the system and his lying victim. He feels entitled and aggrieved; there's no awareness of the sexual assault as problematic. These are red flags in all caps.
Ashiff takes absolutely no accountability of his actions. He was blatant enough to send a explicit pic to a producer on a documentary about SEX OFFENDERS. That bold behavior will and should affect his freedom to protect the public.
They spend the whole doc talking about how unfair their treatment is and how they’re the least likely to reoffend and then he proves them totally wrong lol 🤦🏻♀️
Congrats vice, you have shown me that I never want sex offenders near my kids or any kids for that matter. You have also shown me that these sex offenders will never change ever. They deserve everything they got and so much more, I hope they never see day light ever again.
@JonathanBrandonBissoo That makes me sick to my stomach. OMG I can't stand false accusers. They disgusted me. I am so very sorry you are going through that.
He was well known to law enforcement, picked out of a line up, had DNA to confirm, and continues to this day to offend. Yet he refuses to admit he did anything wrong or that there is something wrong with him. He doesn't deserve sympathy or an easier time reintegrating. He deserves to be away from society forever. He is CLEARLY a continued danger. What he did to the producer was a crime, she just didn't report it. He continues to reoffend with excuses for his behavior.
How do you know they didn't report it? Perhaps they just didn't comment on that as it might be an ongoing case? It seemed pretty clear to me that the producers were incredibly skeptical of Asheif, but were highlighting an issue that faces all sex offenders whether rehabilitated or not. They are simply making the case that this type of treatment of sex offenders is unique amongst all types of criminals, not arguing that he or anyone else shown is a "good" person.
Maybe they should do that to you or maybe they should do that to criminals that steal peoples stuff they should sever their body parts so they won’t reoffend again I look at crime bigger than others but when it comes to this type of situation or crime is the same is wrong and it affects people like someone stealing your hard work and so much still in your car it’s crap in it for money if somebody’s people have somewhat disabilities where they lost a limb and it’s already hard for them as it is you don’t think that cause mental problems and lost in faith of humidity
No I can see the mental damage if a guy gets assaulted that’s different but a female that’s of age how do you even know that? She’s even telling the truth there’s plenty of girls that are on social media that will flat out lie about the rage over developed and promiscuous? A lot of these cases you have people that try to brainwash the adult force them to say it’s their fault Forrest just because they’re in adult? Now I can see you they really did do it it took a vantage But you do have Edison adults that are falsely Convicted just because they’re adults and the other ones on minor it doesn’t matter if the motor is wrong they still look at U As as being wrong like it was this ongoing speculation with this guy I know that has a UA-cam channel he has a family now it has it reinfected but he was innocent the dude was 19 at the time talking to a girl that was 14 he didn’t even know she was that young and guess what when he got convicted obviously in the public I the police in media PA to him as a different type of person saying that he knew how old the person was most likely they forced him to say he knew she was 14
And he made a lot of UA-cam videos showing his love for her and his old account when he was younger he really loved the girl in obsessed with her sadly to say when he got arrested was the day he uploaded his last video on that account it’s kind of heartbreaking dude came out and messed up he came out a transvestite confused what about the mental damage of men that are wrongly convicted and they think they’re talking to someone of age and they looked at as monsters go to jail being assaulted lose their manhood being violated and come out messed up in the head and I’m just happy he made his transition and now he’s a man again
I'm in my 20s now but was sodomized by my grandpa for two years when I was growing up. It's not only affected my life (hours of therapy, the need for many specialized services, etc) it's affected my family even more. My dad has tried to commit suicide two times due to his depression and guilt, my mom has had a difficult time holding down a job, etc. It's been a huge challenge for my family to deal with everything. Its really shocking to hear that the interviewer seems to feel that sex offenders are being treated poorly.
I had friend that working somewhere that this co worker was sexually harassing him and trying to keep it low key, and the management didnt do anything about it.
Yikes, that's awful, I'm so sorry. That's kind of thing I could get behind a life sentence for. But not all sex offenses are this severe. Even public urination can get you on the registry.
The title and topic of this video is about sex offenders staying in prison…so that’s why they interviewed the sex offenders. It doesn’t make sense to interview the victims because this video isn’t about that.
If the dude was 18 and girl was 16 or close in age, they break up someone gets bitter and claims assault, no registration should be necessary. So how do you fix that and protect people from the actual predators? 🤔 I mean the law is the law but a teenager is not going to have the same mentality as an adult hopefully. I mean prison is for rehabilitation.
A friend of mine since jr high is labeled a "sex offender" for having sex with his girlfriend when he was 18 and she was 17. He's not a predator, he's not creepy. They thought they were in love. But he's on the registry as a "sex offender". These creeps in this video are shocking and i have NO sympathy for them, but there are men on this registry whose lives are ruined for being young and dumb.
really strange that she was defending sex offenders in this documenatry! While she was talking with them, she was smiling, acting compassionate etc, but as soon as she was talking to officials, her tone, energy was combative. Extremely strange, and i think quite telling in regards to the character of the journalist, but also of Vice's editorial line here. Why would Vice be comfortable releasing this, they should be ashamed. Now we know why they are going bankrupt.
The fact that they think they have a right to complain after what they did to someone is disgusting. And this reporter sounds like she actually feels bad for these monsters? The way she said “even just sexting with your partner who is underage” like it’s not a problem?? I’m confused 🤦♀️
There was a news story about an 18 year old dating a 17 year old which is legal but sending nude photos of each other back and forth was illegal. The 18 year old was convicted of a sex crime against a minor and had to be on the registry. I’m assuming cases like that is what she was referencing.
I think there should be varying levels of punishment for different sexual offenses. Anything regarding children should be life in prison but there are men who are 20 or 21 on the list who messed up with their 17 year old girlfriend and now have their entire life ruined. I 100% understand what you mean but the registry has a lot of different offenses which definitely all don’t have equal severity
for me there is a bit of nuance- when i was 17 i had an 18 year old boyfriend and we sexted one time (i was the one who initatied the conversation) everything was totally consensual. i dont think he should go to jail since there was no pressure from either person. technically i would also get arrested for the production and sharing of underage photos
Obviously she has never been affected by a sexual crime. People need to understand this crime affects victims for life and even causes more offenders. She may be should also talk to the victims and find out why these laws are important.
I always find it strange that the sex convict has commited a crime against children but it cited that they have behaved well in prison, of course they have there is no kids in prison
I'm on the registry In PA. I have been on parole a little over 2 years. I have a factory job and live in a house. I'm in therapy and making recovery work.
17:10 this part made me laugh “So you don’t think there’s a problem” No” “So basically your saying people who are looking for housing need to try harder” “Yes”
It was really hard to watch this with an open mind but I did my best. Edit: Now that I watched it, I have a couple things to add. The purpose of a sex offender registry, as I understand it, is to protect others not deter a repeat offense. The public has the right to know. If an adult has molested children, we need to know this. An employer of a day care or a single mom renting out a room in her home, absolutely should have the ability to do a check to see if a person has been convicted of those crimes. Nevertheless, I do agree that keeping someone in prison years after their sentence has concluded is unconstitutional.
Your opinions sit the best with me in this comment section. I agree that we as law abiding adults absolutely have the right to see who is or isn’t convicted of such crimes as these. But I ALSO do agree it’s wrong to hold people, ANYBODY, in prison past their release date. Now, don’t get it twisted, I do NOT, or I have VERY LITTLE, sympathy for sex offenders who offend against children. I’ve been to county jail before and see enough of them in there to form this opinion. But I agree with your analysis in every way.
Not if it's legally and righteously deemed that they are still a threat. It's not like the authorities can watch them 24/7/365. The damage they do lasts lifetimes. Never forget that.
We have to understand that if we truly care about children and what to guarantee their safety the ONLY solution is to imprison people for life. This is a long established solution to public safety. Now then, which crimes specifically are worthy of this, the harshest of sentences? Putting people on a registry doesn't protect children, that is a verified, known fact. It does punish however by using banishment, shame, forced poverty and homlessness. Is that the way a free society should operate? Why don't we just start cutting off hands as well? If you're answer is "yeah, why not?" then you are not welcome in this conversation. Turning the American justice system into that of a 3rd world dictatorship just for this one type of criminal who we hate isn't what a Democracy is. That's called a sham type of government. - a Democracy that only works sometimes for some people.
No , not at all , screw them. I despise anyone who violates other people like that. I don't think that most crimes are all that bad but violating another person is unforgivable.
The registry is not for the perpetrators it's for the victims to know where their perpetrator might be and also to hurt those who have offended before, they deserve to feel seen for who they are.
No actually that is not what the registry is for. The registry was created because of Adam Walsh's kidnapping and murder. There is no evidence that the little boy was sexually assaulted at all and yet the registry is not at all aimed at the people who kidnap and murder. That's the thing I have a problem with.
@@ortizmichelle7575 The reason(s) lists for other crimes isn't a thing is the weight of personal privacy and rights outweighed public safety. In the case of the registry it became a public safety out weighted personal rights when the state called it a "civil oblation" and was not deemed a "criminal offense" although they are viewed by many as the exact same thing, a criminal offense punishment for a criminal act...but it being listed like that in a court ruling makes it illegal...no one can figure out this broken system, not even the system itself.
@@braveheart9097 don't forget that it's been known that Walsh's father was 25 when he was dating his wife at 16... To which would have made him a sex offender
I am kind of shocked by this interviewer's disposition. I was assaulted continuously throughout my childhood. I was raped as a teenager and adult. I have never had a close relationship with a woman who did not express she had been abused or assaulted sexually at one point in her life. Most never reported. I'm still open to discussions on how to effectively deal with them, because I know my first abuser was also a victim. That being said, I will never forgive him. There is reporting with an angle and then there is this bizarrely biased pieces. From the words she says to her intonation in the first half, she frames this almost as if sex offenses are not serious. A majority of sex offenses that are ACTUALLY prosecuted are egregious. There is significant evidence that sex offenders are very likely to re-offend. Other countries have tested that 're-integration' thing, even allowing child predators to interact with children regularly to 'desensitize' themselves. They deserve the stigma. I was abused and I did not continue that cycle. It is a god damn choice. Now if this was a piece about how black men are disproportionately accused and convicted of sex offenses without the evidence required to convict white men, that is worth a story. But this? I strongly disagree with this. It is careless towards victims, who are the most likely audience. Poorly done.
This is so sad, every bit of it. I feel for the victims so much, you never get over being raped. I hope anyone reading this who was a victim can find peace in whatever way you can.
@x10hosts read my comment again and you'd see I was being snarky, and in support of victims seeing justice, by mocking the where are the parents comment.
@@stacefacemarieThey raised them very poorly. Also they raised the women that commit sex offenses poorly. Mostly those kids were neglected as studies show. Not an excuse for their disgusting crimes, but an explanation.
@@TeaCup1940 I understand why people do things, and no it's not necessarily from being "raised poorly" either. I've done the work myself to figure these things out too
Give every felon (including sex offenders) a chance at redemption. That includes mental health therapy (sex offender therapy program). If they pass, allow them to re-establish their life back into society in a positive way. If they fail the treatment program, toss them back into prison. Every felon who wishes to express regret/remorse for what they’ve sadly done (including sex offenders) deserves a chance of proving it & redemption.
Most people don't think like you unfortunately. They don't want to actually try and fix the problem, so abuse doesn't happen again, or even in the first place. Every stupid mthfkr on here talking about woodchippers and lynching is a keyboard warrior who will change absolutely nothing for the better and is just talking smack to make themselves feel tough. They aren't going to go out and murder anyone, it's all posturing. Virtue signaling crap. I want better mental health programs, I want better reentry programs, that's why I'm studying law and criminology. Nothing is ever going to change if we all sit around yelling empty reactionary threats. I want free school lunches and more after school programs, I want kids to not be forced into vulnerability either through poverty or a latch key kid because their parents work 3 jobs, or both. Focusing on mental health and having the hard and uncomfortable conversations about the real reasons people commit crimes of all kinds, and surprise, the majority of crimes are not committed for the sake of being evil. They are committed because someone didn't get the early intervention, and mental health support they needed.
Amen I Agree Even the worst can change and at least should be given an opportunity to prove they can and try to make Amends the best way they know how 🙏🏽💯❤️🔥🙌🏽☝🏽
My heart really goes out to the woman that had to hear that the person convicted through DNA evidence and identification lineup is denying the crime. What a violation all over again. And the fact that she’s still compassionate towards offenders and acknowledged that they suffer under a broken, wasteful registry system is truly amazing. What an amazing human really.
What I found interesting is why the PD simply don’t take dna from the men in the lineup first, then have the victim to choose from the lineup. I do not believe in DNA 100% because you can be connected to any crime. All I need is your dna, that easy.
@@FiveMCity that’s very true, I didn’t think about the fact that you can get set up very easily with DNA. In this case - because the DNA was found on her thigh, that would likely require a well put together premeditated plan to frame this man and that would have involved the victim… with the evidence that was presented (and no indication that she knew this man) a set up seems unlikely imo.
I think her compassion is a coping mechanism. The way she responded when she found out that he wasn’t remorseful and that he actually denied assaulting her, thereby basically calling her a liar on top of everything else, shows she kind of built up in her mind that while doing time he probably felt guilty, he probably felt remorseful, he was suffering just like she was from this awful crime… only to find out, no, he wasn’t. He wasn’t remorseful at all. He wasn’t accepting responsibility at all. She needs to understand that his response and his behavior negates her position. He literally proved her assertion wrong in that respect. As to her saying well he must not have gotten the therapy he needed… You can’t force the benefits of therapy on people. You can’t force them to gain anything from it, especially when they don’t think they did a darn thing wrong to begin with. All the therapy in the world isn’t going to fix a person who doesn’t think they did anything wrong, refuses to take accountability for their actions, and basically blames the victim by calling them a liar. My heart goes out to her. Learning this about him clearly reopened wounds for her.
As someone who has been victimized, I think it's a rare occurrence to find a "nice" person who's a sex offender. It's hard for a person to be "redeemable" when they can't be trusted. From what I've experienced, they use physical threats, intimidation, make you feel disgusting beyond anything you've experienced before, etc. Seeing the person who did this to me years later, he hadn't changed.
My deepest sympathies, thoughts and prayers to all those who've been violated by sex offenders. It's never easy, it's damaging, it rips one's soul apart. Sending you light♥️
Thank you for posting this. I feel like I’m in crazy town watching this video, and all of the sympathy towards the guilty is infuriating and confusing. No mention of the victims. However, I do feel that laws could be changed to offer degrees of offense included in the registry. A Romeo and Juliet situation *may* be a grey area in many situations, as one example of this.
You are surprised? Vice has been sticking up for pedophiles , satanist , the cartels , and every other evil you can think of for a decade lol .. all leftist have to stick up for them things now or they will out you from the cult
In America, even those who have committed sex crimes who are released from prison are afforded their consitutional rights. If you don't think that is right then don't let them out of prison.
Notice not ONE of these predators spent any time thinking about their victims. Most of them spend their time minimizing or straight up denying their crimes and focusing on how they were inconvenienced. If you have been a victim of sexual abuse and you go on to commit it against another person that is not only NOT a justification but makes it 100 times worse. The reason most SANE people regard sexual crimes as worse than murder is because there are justifiable reasons to murder someone, sexual based crimes have ZERO justification EVER. Sexual predators have no empathy for anyone but themselves, they should count themselves lucky for that run down motel because if it were up to the average person they would be shot and set on fire. All that acting didn't fool me for a second, and i hope it didn't fool ya'll either.
Your complaint is with Vice, not the people they interviewed. It's a story about how the sex offender registry is broken. Of course they only asked them questions around that, and cut out unrelated parts of their responses Most sane people regard murder as far worse than sex crimes. That is evident in the justice system and punishments handed out. What you're saying is coming from emotion, not reality. Don't think everyone shares your views. They don't. Not even all sexual abuse survivors would agree with you
The therapist just said that the video editing was made so that they cut out the power where the abusers showed remorse and empathy during therapy. I hope thé comment doesn’t get deleted.
exactly. it was so weird to me how the documentary was trying to make viewers feel bad for (in my opinion, rightfully) stigmatizing sex offenders when they were saying "well at least we arent murderers!!" like either all crimes are bad or theyre not....
@@dreahdickinson9602 …we don’t know what they view as worse? are you a part of society? they clearly, in every way, all over the entire nation, view sex offenses as worse.
I'm all for compassion and it's the people that are least deserving that need it the most. However, it's REALLY hard to have compassion for sex offenders. Especially child molesters, which can do irreversible damage to a victim. Additionally, and specifically, to those who victimize children, I'm not sure you can rehabilitate sexual desire. I would be open to a bit more granularity with how we handle different types of sexual crimes, but I also wouldn't die on that hill. Edit: After watching the video it makes it even harder to have compassion for (actually I have none) the main person they were following. He had no remorse and just lied about what he did even when presented with DNA evidence. Edit 2: And he sent a d*** pick...bruh
So, in your opinion, is it fair that a 15-year-old horny boy got 16 years of prison, plus a lifetime of hardships, for giving oral sex to a sleeping woman?
For one, its a little known fact that many sex offenders are people with autism. So mentally, many of them are children at hearts and aren't fully aware of the gravity of what they have done. Also, it's possible to rehabilitate sexual desire through chemical castration, something that I really wish was a widespread practice because it would save a lot of people from trauma. I understand how difficult it is to empathize with sex offenders and I'm by no means disagreeing. It's the most selfish act a person can commit, and ruins so many people's lives beyond belief
@@pettiestofbettys Yep, took me around a decade to finally be comfortable enough to be in a relationship or close with others, even then I still have bad days and nightmares that make me feel so stuck, it's unforgivable
@Enoch Tse No doubt there's a massive social stigma against in both directions, one for victims to not speak up(that's gotten better in recent years) and then the convicted offenders, there's no place they're completely safe from violence or general hatred, in prison or let free
@Enoch Tse I think because to most people, who we choose to have any form of sexual activity with is deeply personal and connected to our own sense of agency and identity as an individual
@Enoch Tse I think its because of the motive for these types of crimes. In other crimes like murder and violence, the motives can be financial, out of anger, or irrationally. Those crimes can be quick or planned out, but the human aspect of it can be removed, such as using a weapon to distance yourself from the hurt you are imparting on the victim. When it comes to sexual assault, not only is the offender feeling the hurt they impart on the victim in a very intimate way, the offender is *GRATIFYING* themselves to that hurt. Think about it: in a moment of rage you can punch someone and regret it later, but can you gratify yourself to the pain you are inflicting onto someone? People with empathy can't imagine doing that.
As a victim I am watching this to try to gain a sense of empathy and understanding. I think it's always important to watch the other side of your opinion to see the world as not black and white. I do think there needs to be a level of nuance when approaching who deserves to be registered and who doesn't. There is a level of gray area that I think needs to be addressed. There are some cases that are non-violent minor offenses. I think it should be a part of sentencing on whether a conviction deserves registering or not.
All my sympathy went right out the window the second she said he sent a photo of his kibbles and bits 😳 I'm sorry but I think you picked the wrong guy to show that rehabilitation is possible.. 😬
They picked the right person. Even if that didn't happen we would have known it was going to happen just from listening to him talk. "Sex offenders" don't need rehabilitation, individuals who can and want to be rehabilitated will be rehabilitated.
I think they should really weigh this discussion with the insane problem of how many sex crimes never result in arrest, let alone conviction. I'm a white, college educated, middle class American and dealt with countless unconsensual sexual assault (such as strangers ripping my clothes off in public, being fingered when I wasn't looking by a complete stranger in bar) and domestic violence ... talking to police never resulted in anything. I think it's the norm for young women/ girls especially to be sexually harassed, abused and imagine how much worse it is for minorities, the poor, the disabled, people in impoverished countries.... so we are supposed to have all the sympathy for the sex offender stigma? It's a bit much even for this bleeding heart liberal.
It’s so funny reading all these comments, men really have no idea how common sexual harassment and assault really are. Men, talk to the women in your lives, you will find that assault is a common experience and most of these crimes go unpunished, because the powers that be hardly consider these crimes, like the guy in this show.
I'm not white. But a first generation immigrant of Somali descent generally assumed to be biracial. But from my experience when I was clearly underage and insecure unsure of myself is when I felt most targeted but not so much as a self assured adult. Coming from a lower income background I can't even imagine how bad it is for people who don't have families like my own who don't have substance abuse issues or have generational trauma, dysfunction etc. Where there aren't parents/relatives actively involved in your life, attending and dropping you off to extracurricular activities.
I hate how vice is making it out "poor sex offenders" 😒. I feel for people who are wrongly convicted but I don't feel bad for sex offenders. They should def be locked up.
I agree there should be punishment. And the law says that for whatever crime, there is a maximum punishment. If your maximum punishment is 10 years, when you're 10 years is over, that's it. You get to get out of jail, you've paid your so-called debt to society, right? Regardless of the offense, the man in the beginning of the documentary spent an extra 6 years in jail. It may not sound like a lot to you, but imagine what it would be like if you're waiting for your Amazon package to come, and it took six extra years.
@@completely_worthless_being the chances of you becoming a sex offender for peeing in a bush are extremely unlikely. The few who end up the registry for such offenses usually did something very stupid/malicious, like peeing in a kid’s park when they know there are a bunch of kids nearby watching. Don’t use a scenario that rarely happens to paint a broad brush. Yes, vast majority of sex offenders deserve being locked up
SO much respect for the woman who was assaulted for A.) telling her story to millions, B.) Standing up to the counternarrative of 'i aint fuckin do it' and C.) has the grace to NOT want to have people like him spend extra time behind bars despite him not even admitting to the crime he committed against her.....for as awful as he is, she's strong in equal measure.
I can't forgive someone who talks before about how they are not being forgiven and their stigma when they don't ever say anything about what they did to their victims. They don't even consider how much they hurt their victims for life.
none of that matter. no one is asking to forgive, have compassion or even like them. this is about affording them the same rights we afford every other person in the criminal justice system.
@@Skipbo000 guess what when a person gets out of jail they are not going to be millionaires with a mansion as an equal right. Affordability is on those with consequences drug addict, serial killer, and serial rapist sex offender. Just saying.
@Skip Bo Keeping kids safe is my bigger priority than some child molester or rapist having a hard time finding a place to live. Sorry but if you want to live next to a school, don't touch kids sicko.
@@Skipbo000 it’s humane to treat the inhumane inhumanly. And let’s be honest here your sympathetic to s@x offenders because your a current or future s&x offender because if you weren’t you’d be ok with these predators suffering.
I can't believe that he did that to people that were trying to help him. He, in my opinion, is the type of person who can't be rehabilitated because he takes no responsibility for what he clearly did and why it's wrong. I understand that witnesses are unreliable, but he had 4 DNA experts including ones from Vice who had no skin in the game say he did it. He sent graphic and unwanted pictures to someone in the crew. I am glad that they included victims and the part about him doing that. They may have an angle, but they actually told the truth about their cases.
@@patrickluby6473 in many instances reporters have to be nice to get more information. Some cops use similar tactics and even give them things like food, cigarettes, soda, etc... if you didn't know the situation you'd think they were friends. Vice wanted the story and got it. My guess is that they didn't like him as a person, but they needed him to finish the story. Like all of us they have a job and sometimes that job has bad, disturbing, and horrible people and experiences in it.
@Ken North I think she's just trying her best to give the full story from all angles. If she was just being completely sympathetic to that guy she wouldn't have brought up the DNA and the unwanted pictures.
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Really mf? Even NFT’s are sexist now? 🤨
Why do you agree with pedophiles
Anyone who has sympathy for a pedo must secretly be a pedo.
@@USA-o5o bc they're pedos who want to come out of the closet
This is a terrible documentary. Trying to make sex offenders the victim is wrong.
You can’t rehabilitate someone who will not admit what they’ve done.
What's the point of them admitting anything or bettering themselves? They're going to be on the list either way.
try harder
@@PieInTheSky9 they deserve to be in that list.
@@isarainie4ever they deserve a lot more than that.
sexual preferences no matter what cannot be changed. NONE of them can be fixed. They like what they like. Same as anyone. Remove them from society permanently. I don't care how. Some have 100's of child victims.
I love the sheriffs response "dont be a sex offender if you don't want to be on the sex offender list"
"People die when they are killed"
WOW REALLY?
THANK GOD I DIDN'T KNOW
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(OP) *_|||"I love the sheriffs response, 'dont be a sex offender if you don't want to be on the sex offender list' "|||_*
I don't know what is worse: the fact that the sheriff even said this, your support for his saying it, or the fact that you don't see what's wrong with it.
All his statement has done is show a dishonest unwillingness to assess the situation at hand: that sex offenders had served their time, some unfairly so, and should be given the right to properly reintegrate back into society as productive citizens, so that they don't repeat their old criminal ways.
Sweeping an issue under the rug doesn't nullify that the issue is still there
If Lord forbid your own beloved male family member got placed on the registry, deserved or not, and he struggled his after-prison life away trying to maintain even a meager existence, I hope you have the nerve to tell him to "[not] be a sex offender, if [he doesn't] want to be on the sex offender list."
@@achen5689 People don't like to Synaptics with those who have made mistakes. People are extremely closed minded and don't want to admit just how complex it actually is.
sure if the system was infallable then i would agree. there are plenty of falsely accused men on the SOF list.
His response is his opinion and he has the right to. However tax payers do not elect sheriffs to be the judge or jury. He doesn't get to decide if someone that committed a sex offense gets a slap on the wrist or not, the legal system decides that. I think police need really have that drilled into their head because, too often they believe they get to hand out a sentence.
They had DNA, he was picked out of a lineup, and he confessed - but he won’t even acknowledge he committed a crime.
He obviously needs help. It's really sad to see.
DNA isn't foolproof (though usually "good enough"), and eye-witnesses are _notoriously unreliable_ and that's just when third-parties witness something, let alone actual victims, especially victims of this, which usually make a point of looking away or closing their eyes; they don't normally look the attacker in the face and make eye-contact. Not to mention the race-blindness. Chances are he's guilty, but it's hardly a demonstrable fact.
You need to leave all this stuff on vice and you still are ignorant.
You shouldn't try a minor as an adult.
….and then he sent a wee wee picture to the producer.
"Sexting with your SO if they're underage" is an interesting way to say grooming a minor...
Sexting a minor is considered sexual abuse. It’s already past the point of grooming when they are texting the victim sexually explicit statements or content.
Shes a psychopath shes woke. Extreme liberalism is dangerous
Right
@@herpsandderps8967 depends. Like a 19yo and 17yo
No it really happens actually. In California back in the day a 19 year old got in trouble for sexting his 17 YEAR OLD GF which is strange since it’s only a 2 year age difference.
Did she really say it's absurd to ban sex offenders from working as ice cream truck drivers, Santas or Easter bunnies??? That's literally the most common sense law I've ever heard of. Makes sense to me.
Show and example of a sex offender that drove an ice cream truck. Who?
@@chrisgo6478 Sex offenders, particularly those who abuse children, should not be allowed to work in close proximity to children (their prime victims). Why on God's green Earth does this need to be explained to you? Even if ice-cream man wasn't the greatest example, you get what they're trying to say. I swear, yall UA-cam commenters be arguing just for the sake of it. Why are you being a contrarian for the sake of p*dophiles and r*pists, is the better question. Not every devil needs an advocate.
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That's like saying SO can live with a single mother who works and he is her babysitter = SO's dream.
I thought that too. I'm like, actually that sounds like a good idea... predators purposefully choose roles/jobs like that to access kids so it does make sense to ban known sex offenders from that. That's the least we can do, lol.
A sex offenders comfort is not worth my safety or the safety of others.
It's definitely not worth the safety of children.
But does it keep society safe, that’s the question.
@@cormacthem8406 yes, most sex offenders will attack again.
@@cormacthem8406children are the most vulnerable of society
??? you could use this same argument against any type of violent criminal. A civilised society works to understand and rehabilitate. Locking up child molesters won't forever banish it from happening. It will only make you feel superior and violate basic aspects of the justice system and human rights.
She thinks that banning sex offenders and pedophiles from dressing up as Santa and the Easter bunny is absurd ?? Really??
It really isn't difficult to understand why. Those professions allow you access near children. If you have a working brain you'd easily understand why they are prevented from doing that
She did not say that.
@@davidkeogh9276 then what did she say?
So now you want me to tell you what she said,give me a break.
@@davidkeogh9276 ok, if their eyes and ears tell them one thing, and you say another, the burden of proof is yours, they can easily continue believing their eyes and ears, and why shouldn’t they?
"This is how we live. It's a bad experience."
Yeah, so is being raped or molested. Are we really supposed to feel bad for these people?!
Exactly!
Exactly! All I see when it shows all these people is the potential victims and their struggles and trauma. How old was their victim? How long did it go on for? But none of them even care, they just care about themselves and how sorry they are for themselves.
Hush not all these people deserve to be there
Yes, though we have to remember, these guys did do some bad things.
@@Chris-Clips-Games Well, I don't.
I work with SO’s almost every day, and I can tell you, most do not believe they did anything wrong. They feel that they’re the victims. The person they assaulted has to live with it forever, and so should the offenders. Period.
I don't understand how they could feel that they are the victims . They assaulted their victims and destroyed their lives and they are victims of their own actions and their perverted mind, that they choose to give into.
I highly doubt you work with Sex Offenders.. I think you are seriously talking out loud and spreading a lot of untrue nonsense... Because most of the Sex Offenders that I work with have admitted to making a stupid decision and they feel that they are victims of a system that all of the counselors in my same facility believe is "broken & not helping" just like the victim in this video also said. Anyone who works with Sex Offenders like you claim, will not come to youtube and post those kind of comments. Especially if you have full access to their court documents...
@@braveheart9097 Tell me why someone who was abused , chose to become a abuser????
@@TheMradampturner My comment was not directed at you, Bud. I'm only saying that I've read all the comments and everyone claiming to work with sex offenders doesn't actually work with them to be coming here to the internet making up a bunch of lies like what this woman did in the comments. I work with these people every day and the message I have gotten after almost 6 years is the complete opposite of what this person claimed. It's sad...
@@TheMradampturner Even the victim in this video has agreed that the registry us only a tool to punish instead of help. If you're going to continue to add punishment to someone who has already served the sentence then I think it's a fair statement to say that you also can't expect them to not be involved with more crime in the future because they no longer have anything to care about at that point.
im normally on the side of VICE, but as someone who lived through sexual violence, I have very little pitty for these people. It's been nearly 12 years and i still go to therapy. My life has never been the same. I live with PTSD, Depression, and perpetual anxiety, which are medicated. I struggled to stay afloat financially because of my inability to keep a job for a prolonged period of time. I even attempted suicide twice.
I've forgiven the actions of the man who wronged me, but I don't think he should be allowed to live a normal life after that, and I know there are some who are wrongly charged and put on that list and i feel for them, but if you commit the crime, you must be willing to accept the consequences. I had no choice, why should you?
I 100 percent agree with you if they cant afford the 100 dollars to register i think its alright for them to stay in prison honestly but for people who were just accused i think it could be overwhelming i honestly think we should just send them to an island and let them battle it out
I also dont like how they say the laws are from a bigone era like more and more people arent reporting SA on a daily basis
I understand you because I grew up around a victim of a sex crime and it has made her a totally different person sadly a violent person just waiting to go off, I hope those who have suffered from this terrible crime gain the strength and help needed to take your life back , be safe people do care about you.
Vice wants to normalize pedophilia 👎
no one is asking for pity or even to like them. just afford them the same rights we afford everyone else in the criminal justice system.
Ashif isn't rehabilitated! The fact that he sent a sexually explicit picture to someone even if it wasn't intended for that person says everything! I felt so bad for his victim when she cried because he still hasn't excepted responsibility for his assault on her even though there was DNA! If anything his story proves that most sex offenders can't be rehabilitated!
Ashif reinforced the need for these restrictions. He never admitted he was guilty even with DNA evidence and then he sends out an unsolicited dic pic. He's still lying and not taking responsibility.
@@TanukiOfficial Aishef is a typical sex offender in that he says it was never him, he was unfairly convicted, it wasn't his fault and that he shouldn't be punished and then goes right ahead and commits another sex offense.
What if the intended recipient requested the picture?
@@TomikaKelly How hard is it to make sure you don't send those pics to the wrong person? _Especially_ if you have that kind of history?
There are people who still think government is the solution to our pedophile problem. they are not the solution. The solution is an Army of Mama Bears doing what a real bear would do to anyone and anything that messes with her cubs.
Wait are we supposed to be feeling bad that a sex offender can’t work as santa claus?? I had to rewind that.
Aint no way it says that
Where does it say that
I was raped by 2 guys when I was 10. That day I lost my innocence, it changed my life forever, we never forget... it's been 45 years now. Sex offenders are monsters.
Well the one that know what there doing are, but it's no impossible for a sex offender to be mentally ill.
That's horrible, but "sex offenses" cover a very wide range of crimes with a very wide range of severity.
I hope they were caught. That's horrible
@@Dennis-nc3vw"Thats horrible But..." what a cruel and totally unnecessary comment.
I wish the cops would have gone after the guy that abused me when I was a kid.
im alone and laughed out loud at "there's this... stigma... around sex offenders"
😂 right, There should be a stigma.
Can you guess what the people who made this show enjoy?
@@Censortubes sex offenders
There should not be if you are a very good singer or dancer. Or if you had the mind of the child.🤷♂️👨👦😇
It’s not a stigma, it’s a fact
I think the registry is fair because victims also have their whole life changed forever.
So should there be a registery for murderers, theft, arson, etc? Victims of those crimes absolutely have their whole lives changed forever.
@@Dsworddance22 sure, that’s fair.
@@Dsworddance22 there is it’s called being a Felon. But something more formalized would be hard but I’d go for it.
@@Dsworddance22 Sex crime works differently on the mind in the trauma that it causes, but I wouldn't be opposed to a general criminal registry.
How is a person ever suppose to get themselves together when they are constantly being hindered?
What is concerning is that there is not a “murderer” registry. Someone could be released after killing someone, move next door to your family, and you will NEVER know unless they tell you
Abolish the registry
Because, for instance, there is a difference in being put on a registry for murder when it was a crime of passion than if you were put on a registry for a crime of passion with a minor.
@@danhibiki5687 there should be a registry for every crime if we have it for the one or just abolish it
@@nickdelaney6953 found the guy that isn’t allowed near Chuck E. Cheese
Shits back asswards
I was not prepared for the interviewer to tell the victim that her abuser said she is lying….who said this was a good idea? This is so damaging to a victim’s mental health and THEN you’re trying to help him? That was a low blow to me. It hurt my feelings when she started cry. She seemed okay until she told her that piece of information.
Transparency matters
But what she said was the right response and she is right that we should focus on rehabilitation.
@@giovannisantostasi9615 shouldn't safety/protection of the citizens supercede that?
@@matthewscott4629 I think it is complicated.
I don't condone this behavior, an ex psycho colleague of mine just got caught with child pornography and I knew something was deeply wrong with him, he was a psycho with me too when he was department head.
So I have direct experience of people like these. But it is scary to think people that did something wrong and want to get back to society and redeem themselves basically almost cannot given all these restrictions. Also, consider that a lot of these safety measures are really "safety theater". We have a lot of supposed safety measures in society that do almost nothing besides giving the illusion of safety and politicians use them to get support. If a predator wants to do something bad he will not care about these restrictions and do it anyway.
But if somebody wants to change his life after having been in prison for years and years basically he cannot given he cannot find a job, a place where to live, and so on. This actually could make society much less safe. There are several studies showing that rehabilitation helps much more than punishment and crazy restrictions like these.
@@giovannisantostasi9615 I hear you and don't take this the wrong way but why don't you invite them to live with you/in your neighborhood?
Thanks for this compelling piece of journalism Vice.
I used to have a really harsh view of sex offenders. After watching this documentary however, I have an even harsher view of them.
Serious sex offenders who are convicted with strong evidence should be locked up for life.
Most pedophiles have molested not just one but multiple times with many victims who are left with a life sentence of coping with many emotional and mental issues. There are so many perpetrators out there who never get reported and repeatedly offend. I have no sympathy for them if they are caught and don’t believe they can be rehabilitated.
@@be4202 thats a lie your spreading. most pedophiles have NOT molested people. it is a small percent that does
@@be4202where I work if they find out you have children, they try and manipulate trying to get information about the kids. I’ve had that happen to me more then I can count.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie, thought you actually agreed with vice for a moment.
@@k.k.londonsounds like drag queen story time hour, which drives me insane that it’s legal smh. Morality, not the one displayed by liberals and Hollywood, is truly lost in America.
Him sending a picture of his genitalia should've been reported to his parole officer. It shows that he does not understand or respect boundaries and he's showing that he's very likely to offend again.
Her not reporting this is incredibly irresponsible and putting people at risk. Stop calling him a complex person and call him what he is, a sex offender who will offend again because he already did despite knowing the consequences.
hello.... she mentioned it in this documentary, what makes you think she did not report it ? Do you think the parole officer lives on Mars or does not have access to youtube ?
@@Maya.6868 oh pls its America
@@pascualmartinez9702 what do you mean ?
@@Maya.6868 parole officers do their job incorrctly all the time
It was an accident due to all the ho azz's out there sliding into his DM's! He'sbeen locked up so long & don't have a clue on how to use a smart phone!
No sex offender should get out of prison LMAO. How do you rehabilitate someone that rapes kids????
.. as if that's the only type of sex offender
I think if depends on Thier crimes... some are just traps by the PDs . Who I am.to judge them.
Ignorance is a problem.
God Can Change anybody He chooses, If He Can Change a Murderer, He can Change a Sick person like them too🙏🏽💯☝🏽🙌🏽
@@SD_Chosen What's so sick about it?
The fact that this man said he wasn't gonna let something like "DNA" stop him is absolutely beyond me.....😒
You can’t fix stupid
He's a delusional one, isn't he?
He's moving on with his life. What else can he do? Just remember that he was a 15 yr old so don't forget to blame his parents.
I know was I the only one who was set back by that/....omg what a dumb criminal screw him they need to be on that list
@@harrynicholes3166 Exactly! 15yo well under the age of consent himself?! What exactly was he taught about sex & girls?
Sorry vice you lost me on this one. We have scores of inmates on non violent offenses suffering needlessly and I’m gonna go ahead and give my sympathy to them instead of the rapists.
When they say so called sex offences it means things like public urinarion(for exposure ), two minors have sex or sexting etc
@@seankelly378except that’s not what happened here lmao.
There are people like that who are registered sex offenders, too. I know an excellent mother who can’t go to her kids’ school because she was an alcoholic . She peed in the alley more than once, because she had a weak bladder and impaired judgment. I saw her paperwork.
Oops…just finished reading the thread. I agree that Vice chose poor examples. I think this episode gives people who peed or changed clothes while homeless a disservice.
@@seankelly378 Why not try actually looking at your local registry it shows the crimes they were convicted and put on the registry for... I almost guarantee you will be hard pressed to find many if any of those types of cases around you. Most of them have horrible cases with extremely young victims a lot of them multiple victims and convictions.
Maybe 1% of people on the registry are on there for undeserved things like public urination. Within 50 miles of my house I can only find one person who maybe shouldn't be on there because he was 21 and hooked up with a 17 year old. The rest all very much deserve to be on there and many don't deserve freedom or even air for that matter...
The stigma is there for a reason. Life should be hard for these types of criminals.
A LOT of people can't get a job or a stable living situation right now, these individuals aren't special in that regard. And there's no moral law that says people who commit egregious crimes against their fellow man, particularly crimes that weren't driven by poverty and necessity (such as sex crimes) are somehow entitled to an easy route to making a life for themselves after prison. Things are hard for EVERYONE right now. Things are probably hard for their victims as well. Truth be told, many of the things these offenders are whining about, victims of SA go through routinely throughout their lives due to extreme trauma and the mental disabilities it causes. Go into any homeless shelter, and you'll likely meet people, especially women, who've been victims of SA in childhood as well as throughout multiple periods in their adult lives and it's greatly affected their ability to hold down a job and keep stable housing. Then throw drug addiction into the mix, and things get even more difficult. These people also struggle with getting the services they need to have a stable life for themselves, and they're often thrown in jail for non violent crimes which only makes their ability to reintegrate into society even harder. These are the people I, and most of American society should care about as far as this broken system is concerned. The people who were dealt a horrible hand in life and were abused beyond mention, but have never hurt anyone other than themselves as a result. People who deliberately harm others through nothing other than their defective sexual deviancy really shouldn't be high up on anyone's list of priorities regarding their lack of ability to make a life for themselves.
@Adam Peel There's no way to force someone to hire or house a known/accused sex offender. I'm a Negro. I've been apartment hunting and denied based on my ethnicity. I knew it, the landlord knew it, but proving it in a court of law would be another thing. If a landlord allows them to live on their property and they abuse again, is the landlord now an accessory since they knew who they were housing? These are adults who did these things. People who knew right from wrong and decided that fulfilling their lusts was worth whatever trauma they caused to another. They did this to themselves!
Same sgoukd go for murders though
but they should then be just as hard or even harder on murderers
@@STARSAPPHIRE91 Yes they are. You're either lying or misinformed. This is the most severely targeted population around the world today and it's pretty clear that people like you would just rather people like me didn't exist. Well guess what? We're still around doing our thing and you just need to get used to it.
There are law-abiding citizens who are homeless. And this sexual predator has a roof over his head. I don't understand.
its not that sex offenders are becoming more prevalent due to the laws is that the laws are helping uncover unreported cases and making people speak out more often, it seems like there is an increase in sex offenders but in reality is an increase in people reporting them
Exactly, with less stigma and better conviction rates lead to the increase
Exactly just as bad as it's ever been.
Authorities really do nothing and don't care the vast majority of the time...
It's not as simple as that, if you're honest. As the cop noted one is the child pornography laws which means a lot of people simply by sitting alone in their home can commit a sex crime and even be labeled a predator. The for-profit prison industry encourages more laws and more opportunities for incarceration, along with inflating the recidivism rates for new sex offenses.
@@justaguy6100 You're still a predator if you access CP
what the hell was this even about? extremely disappointing, my heart goes out ONLY to the victims of these offenders.
Too bad the redhead is a pedo sympathizer.
They have a sick mind. They can't control it because if they could, they would not harm kids knowing the consequences
@@konyvnyelv.Then invite them to live with you
@@NunoFilipe99 they should be put in an area for them alone. Off kids
@@konyvnyelv.They might not control their attraction/thoughts however they CAN control their actions, they choose to commit a sexual offense.
My roommate was sexually assaulted by her step-father from 6 years old to 13. He only got 6 years in prison. She's 53 now and still has nightmares, anxiety, and has been going to therapy all these years. It doesn't help.
@patricia Manroe - please tell your roommate to look into EMDR therapy (assuming she hasn't already). My situation was very similar to hers - I was molested by my step-father from as young as I can remember (2 or 3 maybe?) until about 12 - when I told my mother what happened. He was never arrested (my mom didn't call the police) and never convicted, spent a single day in prison. I, like her, was in therapy for my entire adult life. Age 47, I started doing EMDR therapy and it changed my life. All the best to her - and you!
We got some strong women in the comments
6 Is such a vulnerable age i feel very sorry for her
Was he white?
@Brown Incel yes. It was never reported, though, so it wouldn’t make any difference in his case.
The reporter is showing a lot of sympathy for people who have ruined people’s lives forever
Vice news is a joke. This is disgusting and nobody should take this seriously
This is what i said about this WOKE video. They are trying to normalise peados.
When shes talking to that cop. One of the reasons that the numbers of sex offenders hasnt gone down IS DUE TO MASS PORNOGRAPHY. she is highly condescending to someone who works in this area with VICTIMS she seems a bit WOKE 🤨🤨🤨🤨and irritating. Immature. I find her on the psychopathic spectrum a peado apologist
There lives are only ruined forever because you keep Saying it is, Giving the person no hope for Healing, Speak for yourself, if You want your life ruined forever
I am Healed and free from the Past
Thank you Jesus, And I Still Forgave 🙏🏽 ❤️🔥☝🏽🙌🏽
I know. I can't stand this crap. I've seen other docs about offenders and the interviewer tries to make them the victim... even having gofundmes for them
This is Vice, a bunch of liberal softies who will give S.Offenders as much sympathy as they can give, so go figure!
"I'd say don't commit sex offenses if you don't want to be on the registry". All that needed to be said here 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly what I said. Basically summed this video up in a sentence.
Better yet don't commit any offense that has has even the slightest potential to one day be added to the registry cause the addition would be retroactive.
This is the same thing that saying to a guy "just never have sex", some people are wired differently, child atracction is a illness not 100% just pure evil
@@vrstate and those people should be on a registry for every one else’s protection
for real. I rarely agree with officers but he is right
Notice how she used the terms "so called sex offenses" and "registered person". These terms are right out of the Sympathy for Sex Offender's playbook. She did not use them by accident. She also stated, "accused of" when these people have already been convicted.
Exactly. The is the worst piece of hack job journalism that Vice has allowed to be produced. I don’t think that I can watch any more pieces done by “Alice” without seeing her work (and her as a person) negatively.
Some sex offenses like peeing outdoors should be referred to as "so called sex offenses".
@@tomasrocha6139 People on the registry for peeing outdoors is a myth. That's not a sex offense. That's something that sex offenders try to say that they were not really committing a sex offense when they were actually caught fondling themselves in public.
@@kennethsouthard6042 Right, that was a poor example on my part, think of two minors mutually sexting instead.
There are a fair amount of false convictions on record even though they are the minority of cases
If you're rich like Prince Andrew, they let you stay in a castle with servants.
True
But they take away your military rank and a couple of titles LOL.... unbelievable....
Same with Trump
@@ericlondon2663 a couple titles lmao a slap on the wrists
😂
@@xgreasexmonkey5506 same with Bill Clinton
My daughter was raped when she was 14 years old. I was not informed about the prediters fate. No registry at that time and he was shielded from me and the public at large. She is still negatively affected as an adult . A life sentance for her. Life sentance for affenders is appreciate for sure.
5/27/2023.
It's only a life sentence for her because you keep putting that in her head, thus far she will believe it, Leaving no room for healing, You do more damage by Saying that then good, I Know because I healed and Life life free now, Thanks be to God 🙏🏽❤️🔥🙌🏽☝🏽
It’s almost like their actions have consequences…
Thank god someone is thinking
Lol lightning bolt.
"Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions."
Shocking
@NightTimeLounge or like when a MADA cult member went to prison for sedition
I’m so tired of society trying to normalize sexual violence. I hate that innocent people get accused but please for the sake of us all we need to know who and where these people are
Theyre trying to normalize being corrupt. Politicans get dirty money. Doctors give you drugs and mutilate childrens genatils for money. Social media censors people who support freedom of speech while they allow for terrorist to thrive
Doesn't rap do the same qith drugs, killing, robbing, pimping etc.
@@kazithecanecorso2724 wtf does rap have to do with this? Say you’re a racist and go
@@witchplease9695 say your stupid. Ok white liberal racist
@@witchplease9695 typical liberal minded idiots. Owned by the white liberal. Everything is racist if you dont like what you hear.
The guy who molested his cousin is ridiculous, obviously your family doesn't want you around if you molested a family member... Also, it doesn't mean they don't forgive you, but it can retraumatize a sexual assault victim to see their assaulter on a daily basis. Sorry but that's obviously a consequence from your actions you have to live with, what did you expect.
My biological father has been trying to reconnect with our family over the years. He raped and molested me for years as a kid, and although I'm in my 30s and have been living my life (also thanks to lots and lots of therapy) I don't care if adult family members chat with him or reconnect, but if I went somewhere and he was there then I'd leave and only cause an issue if there were any of my nieces or nephews there. But from what I've heard from my siblings, he's been trying to reconnect with them for almost 20 years and the only thing I had to say to my sister was that she better not ever leave him around her kids and if she ever does choose to introduce them then someone needs to be watching every single interaction like their life depends on it because in my opinion no one's guard should ever be down around him, especially when there's kids around.
He's been complaining about how he's not able to ever see or get to know his grandkids, he's been isolated from his family...etc. If someone wants to have contact with him then that's on them and they're living their life their way. I'd still likely have contact with that family member but I'm not going to have contact with him.
Why are you apologizing?
What the cop said "don't commit sex offences if you don't want to be on the register " is exactly how I feel about them too. If you've done the crime then it's too bad if people stigmatise you, because, you can be sure, your victims will have to live with your actions for life, so why are you wanting special treatment? They are not babies and are not usually mentally ill, they know what they are doing is wrong, so they should just grow up and accept the punishment. I am sure their victims don't want to hear about their housing problems and neither do the majority of the public. If you cannot do the time, don't do the crime! Of course, I am not speaking about people who were convicted for oral sex and digital penetration at age 15, but, as I write this I am thinking how old was the victim, as this is what will define this crime. I think there should be clear distinction between the types of crimes and I get the feeling that she's playing down his crime and the inconsistencies in the register. I really don't think you get on the register accidentally, I think you have to have been proved a danger. I really think she's trying to downplay the importance of these rules and, I wonder, if she would feel the same if she'd been a victim.
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There really are people on the registry who were falsely accused and wrongly convicted or something less serious like peeing out in the public.
But why do we have a registry for sex offenders if not for every other kind of offense?
I'm pretty sure there are different levels, or tiers, of the SOR, from low-risk to high-risk in terms of danger to the public.
Unfortunately, being on that list at all is incredibly stigmatized, so yes, someone who's a Tier 1 (the least risk to the public, if I remember correctly) for urinating in a park at night or maybe for sexting with their teenage partner (if both are teens) is looked at with as much disdain and hatred as the Tier 4 (highest risk I think) who raped and killed someone.
I'm not sure what the numbers are in terms of how many people account for which tier levels, but the fact that there's a wide range of offenses on that list can be problematic all around.
@@Dennis-nc3vwSome states have created other type of registries as well
"nothings gonna stop me. Not DNA. Not someone's opinion." Man is positively thinking his way out of sexual assault. This dude is completely separated from reality.
He's a good example of why the sex offender registry should exists
How do you accidentally sent a peen pic.
@@astrozooBut still many don't register. It shouldn't be voluntary, but mandatory to register.
@@TeaCup1940 I don't know about other sates, but in California it's mandatory
@@astrozoo It should be abolished
I think the presentation of this is skewed, the section about Geoff for example casually mentioned that he was convicted of not just a sexual offence but also 'soliciting her murder' - I'm sorry but, that's not a small thing? Are we supposed to be feeling sorry for him? Let's not use the word 'stigma' about sex offences and murder - we are not in the wrong for feeling wary of these people, they are not the victims of an undeserving stigma here.
I was like, wait what? with that, too. (The murder thing.) I am aware that there are people who are against the registry and think it's unfair, awful, inhumane, etc. So, I guess that's the stance this documentary was attempting to take. Ironically though it only seemed to confirm that the registry is needed. There was nothing compelling in here to show me that that the registry is exceedingly unfair. And I'm even on the open-minded side of having sympathy for what perpetrators probably went through in their own childhoods. etc. Maybe I can see that more services could be put in place to help find housing immediately after prison, or to help with the transition from prison to out-of-prison (like bus tickets to rural areas or something). Buuuut other than that, this doc did the opposite of convincing me the registry is wrong.
Right? Like, there is stigma against victims of these crimes, and THAT'S uncalled for, but a perpetrator and predator SHOULD feel some shame for how they affected another human forever. Earned stigma should really just be called "people being wary of those who have PROVEN themselves dangerous."
Until you understand how "Whyte Folks" can do just about ANYTHING and live to tell about it, don't waste your time.
@@cuttlefishagain You heard it. Only the Untouchables get preferential treatment.
@@harrynicholes3166wtf? Playing the race card on everything I see 😂. You are soft as charmin
It gives me comfort that people in the video and comments recognize that the victims live with this forever. I’m affected every day. There’s no getting over it. There’s learning to cope with the pain but the pain’s always there
It gets better. hang on and stay strong. ❤
@Debbie it happened to me my cousin was the one who did it
There's more people on your side than it might feel like, sometimes, I'm sure. I can't pretend to understand what you go through.
It’s an every day struggle. The pain of knowing that someone hurt me so much as a child and is now all coming back to me in flashbacks. The fact that I didn’t know I was living with OCPD in response to childhood trauma and I never know what can trigger a flashback memory and send me back into panic mode. I don’t trust anyone. I’m overprotective with my kids. I have such a huge effect on everyone around me. It’s just consuming and exhausting. I live in a mental jail because of what someone like one of these monsters did to me.
As a victim you have a chance to go back to normal life but they don’t
Not this man saying I'm not what my offense lables me as, other dude complaing that his family won't talk to him. Like???? I'm so disgusted by these people
I can't be the only one who was extremely irked by the way the reporter was speaking so nonchalanty about the crimes these people committed and how we should feel sympathy for them...
Veronica, nope she was being responsible. you cannot have a conversation about the victim without the perpetrator. it is never a zero sum thing for me
Trying to normalize this evil. Sickening,
She's absolutely horrible.
Yes.
It's common in these progressive news channel. When they report about drugs, they glorify them.
“Sexting with your significant other if they are underage.”
This is the progressive way of describing child grooming.
It also means an 18 year old man who has been in a relationship for years with a girl that is just one year younger than him. There is many guys that are now sex offenders because they were 18 when their girlfriend was still 17. I'm a right winger but it is comments like this that come out of right wingers that make people run to the arms of leftist and communists. It is because we are not fair, judgmental and desire to punish people for crimes that hurt absolutely no one. There was a stupid comment you made, and it is not grooming.
The are 19 year olds who were convicted of sexing 16 yrs olds...its not always that simple and some convicted people are not perverts...the law should see the difference and judge accordingly
@@uberdriver2955 well the adult should clearly understand this is by law not allowed and how are they even convicted unless someone reported it like a parent. Which is completely valid. I don’t think kids should be producing child porn even if its legal to be with their significant other.
Two 16/17 year olds sexting each other and then getting arrested on CP charges is deranged. How is that even child grooming? You never heard of teenagers having sex?
I get what you mean, but teenagers sext each other too. It isn't just grooming victims being talked about, it's teenagers being accused of victimizing themselves. A whole other kettle of fish that needs to be treated differently.
Thank you for this Vice. You have truly shown how terrible these people are and have fully convinced me that rapists and convicted pedos should receive the death penalty.
😂😂😂
Liberal ass Vice Media thinks capital punishment is draconian and immoral 🙄
@Pierre Inits the easy way out
@Collin some murderers certainly deserve it. Otherwise no.
@Collin Prison. Are you trying to make a point?
Why is vice trying to defend Sex Offenders
becuase there is a movement going on to normalize such behavior its a really sick and twisted toxic world we live in
Because they are?
They are not defending they are Making a Change and showing these people can be changed and are actively trying to do so, If they do change that means less kids hurt, Use your brain, Not your hateful heart, Because in God's eyes you are a filthy Sinner in need of mercy and Grace as well 🙏🏽💯
“Don’t commit sex offenses if you don’t wanna be on that registry” based response.
Exactly don't do weed if you don't want a drug charge... Dont drink and drive and you won't have a DUI... Based response I know
@@ortizmichelle7575 it’s true. No one is forcing you to smoke weed 🤷
Child molesters are different than pot heads....
@@DogmaticAtheist how so
@@ortizmichelle7575 if you really need to ask that question then I pity you
Literally don’t care if they live in filth and squalor. Live with what you did just like your victim has too.
As a CSA victim, I hate knowing my abuser is living a good life. I wish him nothing but the worst.
it's a shame on society that's he's even out, im sorry
Was your violator convicted?
@@braveheart9097 I dunno if she's going to answer, but, to vent a little, mine wasn't, and now he's released after committing his umpteenth felony. Grand larceny, assault on a woman, felony b&e; he's literally been charged for being a habitual felon, but he'll never be charged for what he did to me. How he's still free is beyond me, and it makes me mad. I know the city he lives in. It's in my state. I hate it. I want him dead, because I know he's done similar things.
@@welcometothecafe2793 They're not often released with crimes similar to what you claim happened to you. I work in Texas and most of those dudes with serious assaults don't see the light of day for the next 10-20 years. There are rare occasions though. I'm sorry your abuser was able to be that rare occasion but I hope he really ends up paying for it this time around.
@@braveheart9097 Yeah, the assault charge he got was from the 80s I think, and it was assault on a woman, so... yeah. His last stint was 7 years after committing a lot of robberies and scams, but he's never been charged for sexual assault of any kind.
Hope he rots, and, given his life choices, I'm sure he is.
An ice cream truck attracts kids... of course sex offenders shouldn't be driving them.
Don’t see ice cream trucks much anymore but when I do I immediately start having skeptical thoughts about the person operating it
@@Mark-sj3xb These days that's called inherent bias and it means you're a bigot. Forget all that fancy neuroscience nonsense about you brain making generalizations based on experiences in your environment and making judgements most likely to ensure survival for you and your progeny in a dangerous world. Don't listen to your brain. Listen to Vice.
@@Mark-sj3xbThats a reach
Stupid People writing stupid stuff on a piece of 🚽 paper then calling it a law. Waste of toilet paper.
Rehabilitation starts with admitting what you did and sincerely being remorseful about it which I did not see. There was a lot of "poor me" from the offenders and not enough remorse for what they did. And asheefs victim blaming pissed me off. You did do it buddy you did do it
That woman was not faking her pain in the interview.
Even if they did you still wouldn't give them a chance
Dammed if they do, Dammed if they don't, If they are sincere about changing
I think they deserve a chance 🙏🏽💯
"Don't commit sex offenses if you don't want to be on this registry!" Understatement of the year right there!!!
Its that simple.
Barney Fife would be outta of a job!
But it's funny that the sheriff admitted that there are people who are so psychologically messed up that they don't know what they're doing. So which is it? Did they choose actions that would be on the list, or they just nuts?
I was sexually abused at only 3 years old so I feel no sympathy for these men. I’m 26 years old now and I still suffer from mental trauma from what happened to me and I doubt it will ever go away. These men should have thought it through before committing their crimes 🤷🏼♀️
I am sorry.
@@PieInTheSky9 Shut up man. Don't be a jerk.
@@PieInTheSky9 stfu we care! Thank you for telling your story
So sad to be telling stories just for attention
This is an honest question. In no way am I trying to offend you. If you do not want to answer please feel free not to ma'am. Do you truly remember being abused at the age of 3 or were you told about the abuse? The reason for my question is because most children don't formulate lasting memories until the age of 5. This is obviously due to rapid changes to neurons and synapses in the child's brain.
Alice trying to humanize these offenders is insane even after interviewing the victim and the picture that was sent smh. Vice is wild. Don’t encourage the shame? I’ve seen it all bro
The registry is one of the only things we have. These monsters commit hundreds of offenses before they are ever caught and/or sentenced. They give plea deals bc victims don’t want to testify so the registry is all we have to know who these people are.
Everyone wants "unbiased" news until they actually get both sides of an issue presented
It's almost as if you didn't even watch the entire video. Smh
Rewatch the video smh
Lol you totally skipped through the important parts of this video didn't you?
It was so clear that Asheef was manipulating the narrative even before getting to the part of sending an inappropriate photo to your producer. I've worked with teens who were offenders and the number one problem is what we called "thinking errors" like denial or gaslighting. This dude was never wrong. All his problems were from the system and his lying victim. He feels entitled and aggrieved; there's no awareness of the sexual assault as problematic. These are red flags in all caps.
Ashiff takes absolutely no accountability of his actions. He was blatant enough to send a explicit pic to a producer on a documentary about SEX OFFENDERS. That bold behavior will and should affect his freedom to protect the public.
Yeah, wtf. Such audacity and even blindness (willful or not) toward his own actions.
They spend the whole doc talking about how unfair their treatment is and how they’re the least likely to reoffend and then he proves them totally wrong lol 🤦🏻♀️
Congrats vice, you have shown me that I never want sex offenders near my kids or any kids for that matter. You have also shown me that these sex offenders will never change ever. They deserve everything they got and so much more, I hope they never see day light ever again.
Shouldnt need vice to twll you that bro
Vice has also showed me I don't want anyone associated with these fake journalists near my kids.
I only feel sorry for those who are truly falsely accused. As a victim, I can't feel bad for them.
Survive and thrive!
Hope you’re doing better now and find ways to get overcome all those horrible feelings, stay strong
Not only am I a victim of sexual abuse, I am also falsely accused by my ex girlfriend. The court system is corrupt.
@JonathanBrandonBissoo That makes me sick to my stomach. OMG I can't stand false accusers. They disgusted me. I am so very sorry you are going through that.
“Don’t commit a sex crime” - mic drop
He was well known to law enforcement, picked out of a line up, had DNA to confirm, and continues to this day to offend. Yet he refuses to admit he did anything wrong or that there is something wrong with him. He doesn't deserve sympathy or an easier time reintegrating. He deserves to be away from society forever. He is CLEARLY a continued danger. What he did to the producer was a crime, she just didn't report it. He continues to reoffend with excuses for his behavior.
How do you know they didn't report it? Perhaps they just didn't comment on that as it might be an ongoing case? It seemed pretty clear to me that the producers were incredibly skeptical of Asheif, but were highlighting an issue that faces all sex offenders whether rehabilitated or not. They are simply making the case that this type of treatment of sex offenders is unique amongst all types of criminals, not arguing that he or anyone else shown is a "good" person.
IMO, sad that we can't castrate re-offenders.
Maybe they should do that to you or maybe they should do that to criminals that steal peoples stuff they should sever their body parts so they won’t reoffend again I look at crime bigger than others but when it comes to this type of situation or crime is the same is wrong and it affects people like someone stealing your hard work and so much still in your car it’s crap in it for money if somebody’s people have somewhat disabilities where they lost a limb and it’s already hard for them as it is you don’t think that cause mental problems and lost in faith of humidity
No I can see the mental damage if a guy gets assaulted that’s different but a female that’s of age how do you even know that? She’s even telling the truth there’s plenty of girls that are on social media that will flat out lie about the rage over developed and promiscuous? A lot of these cases you have people that try to brainwash the adult force them to say it’s their fault Forrest just because they’re in adult? Now I can see you they really did do it it took a vantage But you do have Edison adults that are falsely Convicted just because they’re adults and the other ones on minor it doesn’t matter if the motor is wrong they still look at U As as being wrong like it was this ongoing speculation with this guy I know that has a UA-cam channel he has a family now it has it reinfected but he was innocent the dude was 19 at the time talking to a girl that was 14 he didn’t even know she was that young and guess what when he got convicted obviously in the public I the police in media PA to him as a different type of person saying that he knew how old the person was most likely they forced him to say he knew she was 14
And he made a lot of UA-cam videos showing his love for her and his old account when he was younger he really loved the girl in obsessed with her sadly to say when he got arrested was the day he uploaded his last video on that account it’s kind of heartbreaking dude came out and messed up he came out a transvestite confused what about the mental damage of men that are wrongly convicted and they think they’re talking to someone of age and they looked at as monsters go to jail being assaulted lose their manhood being violated and come out messed up in the head and I’m just happy he made his transition and now he’s a man again
I'm in my 20s now but was sodomized by my grandpa for two years when I was growing up. It's not only affected my life (hours of therapy, the need for many specialized services, etc) it's affected my family even more. My dad has tried to commit suicide two times due to his depression and guilt, my mom has had a difficult time holding down a job, etc. It's been a huge challenge for my family to deal with everything. Its really shocking to hear that the interviewer seems to feel that sex offenders are being treated poorly.
I’m so sorry 😔
So sorry this happed to you. This is a triggering video for all survivors 😢
😢I am sorry to hear about what happened to u.. I pray that you get the help u need
I had friend that working somewhere that this co worker was sexually harassing him and trying to keep it low key, and the management didnt do anything about it.
Yikes, that's awful, I'm so sorry. That's kind of thing I could get behind a life sentence for. But not all sex offenses are this severe. Even public urination can get you on the registry.
Asheef wrong for that ending...he literally proved his whole arguement wrong for that last move, felt like a M.Knight Shamalan ending jeez
Some people u cant empathize with. Let your guard down now you're a victim
Tee hee hee I was complex too. My fans saw my humanity
Dude ruined all his credibility
@@Childmo_Lester issues much
@@davokelly7876 my fans know i have the mind of a child which makes man/boy sleepovers ok 🤷♂️👨👦🩲🌭😇
The victim is a wonderful human being to be still compassionate towards the man that assaulted her.
Brainwashed liberal, they both disgusting
I have zero compassion for anyone who is a sex offender. I think they should be out in prison or a community completely monitored .
Prison should be a haven for these offenders, because it would be filled with characters wanting to be a target of the very conduct.
i think sex offenders dont deserve to be alive.
Have any of yall urinated in public, cuz that can land u on the list
@Sharon Sandstone finally something I can agree with
@@OrangeGuy-pf1yi
What if they are innocent?
This is sooooo gross. Interview the people they victimized, see if you feel the same disgusting sympathy after you truly put yourselves in their shoes
The title and topic of this video is about sex offenders staying in prison…so that’s why they interviewed the sex offenders. It doesn’t make sense to interview the victims because this video isn’t about that.
@@youllbemytourniquet you missed the point of op.
Funny how so many people are surprised vice posted this. While the rest of us r laughing
If the dude was 18 and girl was 16 or close in age, they break up someone gets bitter and claims assault, no registration should be necessary. So how do you fix that and protect people from the actual predators? 🤔 I mean the law is the law but a teenager is not going to have the same mentality as an adult hopefully. I mean prison is for rehabilitation.
@@amandaperry4236 The law is a joke. So is life too.
His victim showed more compassion towards him then he could get imagine thinking for her! Wow! Shows the differences in character.
for real
Rehearsals. You ever heard of it?
A friend of mine since jr high is labeled a "sex offender" for having sex with his girlfriend when he was 18 and she was 17. He's not a predator, he's not creepy. They thought they were in love. But he's on the registry as a "sex offender".
These creeps in this video are shocking and i have NO sympathy for them, but there are men on this registry whose lives are ruined for being young and dumb.
I thought Romeo and Juliet law would have meant it was okay? Don't know if it varies from state to state or anything, not American.
@@persephone3309 it absolutely varies state to state. Age of consent laws are different across the USA
Umm, Romeo and Juliet laws? Do you live in California or something?
Always be very cautious of anyone/organization trying to soften you up on things like pedos/sex offenders
Exactly 💯
really strange that she was defending sex offenders in this documenatry! While she was talking with them, she was smiling, acting compassionate etc, but as soon as she was talking to officials, her tone, energy was combative. Extremely strange, and i think quite telling in regards to the character of the journalist, but also of Vice's editorial line here. Why would Vice be comfortable releasing this, they should be ashamed. Now we know why they are going bankrupt.
@@bigmac786 She reeks of daddy issues and seems to have a chip on her shoulder about law enforcement. Classic vice "journalist".
@@spennydawg4487 and yet here you are, spending your valuable time watching "Vice journalism". That chip looks pretty massive on your shoulder, buddy.
Hohoho you got me! Stop projecting like butthurt loser haha@@ThurstonWatt
The fact that they think they have a right to complain after what they did to someone is disgusting. And this reporter sounds like she actually feels bad for these monsters? The way she said “even just sexting with your partner who is underage” like it’s not a problem?? I’m confused 🤦♀️
There was a news story about an 18 year old dating a 17 year old which is legal but sending nude photos of each other back and forth was illegal. The 18 year old was convicted of a sex crime against a minor and had to be on the registry.
I’m assuming cases like that is what she was referencing.
She did a really good job asking provocative questions to both sides of the conflict in a devil's advocate type of way
Is this show for real, so we are sympathetic to these people, what about the victims!
I think there should be varying levels of punishment for different sexual offenses. Anything regarding children should be life in prison but there are men who are 20 or 21 on the list who messed up with their 17 year old girlfriend and now have their entire life ruined. I 100% understand what you mean but the registry has a lot of different offenses which definitely all don’t have equal severity
for me there is a bit of nuance- when i was 17 i had an 18 year old boyfriend and we sexted one time (i was the one who initatied the conversation) everything was totally consensual. i dont think he should go to jail since there was no pressure from either person. technically i would also get arrested for the production and sharing of underage photos
Obviously she has never been affected by a sexual crime. People need to understand this crime affects victims for life and even causes more offenders. She may be should also talk to the victims and find out why these laws are important.
Yuppp I figure she would change her tune and her job once she understood by being a victim herself
Did Vice not report the explicit picture to the police? That would be an example of a sex offender re-offending.
I always find it strange that the sex convict has commited a crime against children but it cited that they have behaved well in prison, of course they have there is no kids in prison
Thanx Vice for uncovering the fact that there are people trying to gain sympathy for predators and put guilt on communities.
stupid take. are u even capable of holding two thoughts in your brain at the same time?
good work not listening to anything
What an insanely simple takeaway. This is way too surface level.
@@PeacefulPariah you are defending child offenders and think have moral high ground?
@@pasta-and-heroin says the groomer.
I'm on the registry In PA. I have been on parole a little over 2 years. I have a factory job and live in a house. I'm in therapy and making recovery work.
What is PA?
@@RestingBitchFace85Pennsylvania
You are lucky you got that. I honestly wouldn't want you anywhere near me or my family
@RestingBitchFace85 I think they meant in PA ( Pennsylvania) .
It's supposed to say in PA
"Dont commit sex offenses if you dont want to be on the registry" Sums it up
17:10 this part made me laugh
“So you don’t think there’s a problem”
No”
“So basically your saying people who are looking for housing need to try harder”
“Yes”
It was really hard to watch this with an open mind but I did my best.
Edit: Now that I watched it, I have a couple things to add. The purpose of a sex offender registry, as I understand it, is to protect others not deter a repeat offense. The public has the right to know. If an adult has molested children, we need to know this. An employer of a day care or a single mom renting out a room in her home, absolutely should have the ability to do a check to see if a person has been convicted of those crimes. Nevertheless, I do agree that keeping someone in prison years after their sentence has concluded is unconstitutional.
We should just lobotomize them tbh
Your opinions sit the best with me in this comment section. I agree that we as law abiding adults absolutely have the right to see who is or isn’t convicted of such crimes as these. But I ALSO do agree it’s wrong to hold people, ANYBODY, in prison past their release date. Now, don’t get it twisted, I do NOT, or I have VERY LITTLE, sympathy for sex offenders who offend against children. I’ve been to county jail before and see enough of them in there to form this opinion. But I agree with your analysis in every way.
Well put 👏
Not if it's legally and righteously deemed that they are still a threat. It's not like the authorities can watch them 24/7/365. The damage they do lasts lifetimes. Never forget that.
We have to understand that if we truly care about children and what to guarantee their safety the ONLY solution is to imprison people for life. This is a long established solution to public safety. Now then, which crimes specifically are worthy of this, the harshest of sentences? Putting people on a registry doesn't protect children, that is a verified, known fact. It does punish however by using banishment, shame, forced poverty and homlessness. Is that the way a free society should operate? Why don't we just start cutting off hands as well? If you're answer is "yeah, why not?" then you are not welcome in this conversation. Turning the American justice system into that of a 3rd world dictatorship just for this one type of criminal who we hate isn't what a Democracy is. That's called a sham type of government. - a Democracy that only works sometimes for some people.
I’m sorry but are we supposed to feel sorry for sex offenders?
No , not at all , screw them. I despise anyone who violates other people like that. I don't think that most crimes are all that bad but violating another person is unforgivable.
The registry is not for the perpetrators it's for the victims to know where their perpetrator might be and also to hurt those who have offended before, they deserve to feel seen for who they are.
No actually that is not what the registry is for. The registry was created because of Adam Walsh's kidnapping and murder. There is no evidence that the little boy was sexually assaulted at all and yet the registry is not at all aimed at the people who kidnap and murder. That's the thing I have a problem with.
Exactly why they should be a list for every crime... Domestic violence, drug attic's, DUIs..
@@braveheart9097 Don't try to rationalize with those who aren't. Youll only be hurt by what youll find.
@@ortizmichelle7575 The reason(s) lists for other crimes isn't a thing is the weight of personal privacy and rights outweighed public safety. In the case of the registry it became a public safety out weighted personal rights when the state called it a "civil oblation" and was not deemed a "criminal offense" although they are viewed by many as the exact same thing, a criminal offense punishment for a criminal act...but it being listed like that in a court ruling makes it illegal...no one can figure out this broken system, not even the system itself.
@@braveheart9097 don't forget that it's been known that Walsh's father was 25 when he was dating his wife at 16... To which would have made him a sex offender
I am kind of shocked by this interviewer's disposition. I was assaulted continuously throughout my childhood. I was raped as a teenager and adult. I have never had a close relationship with a woman who did not express she had been abused or assaulted sexually at one point in her life. Most never reported. I'm still open to discussions on how to effectively deal with them, because I know my first abuser was also a victim. That being said, I will never forgive him.
There is reporting with an angle and then there is this bizarrely biased pieces. From the words she says to her intonation in the first half, she frames this almost as if sex offenses are not serious. A majority of sex offenses that are ACTUALLY prosecuted are egregious. There is significant evidence that sex offenders are very likely to re-offend. Other countries have tested that 're-integration' thing, even allowing child predators to interact with children regularly to 'desensitize' themselves. They deserve the stigma. I was abused and I did not continue that cycle. It is a god damn choice.
Now if this was a piece about how black men are disproportionately accused and convicted of sex offenses without the evidence required to convict white men, that is worth a story. But this? I strongly disagree with this. It is careless towards victims, who are the most likely audience. Poorly done.
Nah, black men aren’t victims in anyway in any aspect of life
I agree. She seriously just spoke about sex offenders not being allowed to dress up as Santa like that was wrong 😒
This is so sad, every bit of it. I feel for the victims so much, you never get over being raped. I hope anyone reading this who was a victim can find peace in whatever way you can.
Where are the parents?!!!!!!!
@@harrynicholes3166 agreed. Where are the parents who raised these men to sexually assault children?
@x10hosts read my comment again and you'd see I was being snarky, and in support of victims seeing justice, by mocking the where are the parents comment.
@@stacefacemarieThey raised them very poorly. Also they raised the women that commit sex offenses poorly. Mostly those kids were neglected as studies show. Not an excuse for their disgusting crimes, but an explanation.
@@TeaCup1940 I understand why people do things, and no it's not necessarily from being "raised poorly" either. I've done the work myself to figure these things out too
Give every felon (including sex offenders) a chance at redemption.
That includes mental health therapy (sex offender therapy program).
If they pass, allow them to re-establish their life back into society in a positive way.
If they fail the treatment program, toss them back into prison.
Every felon who wishes to express regret/remorse for what they’ve sadly done (including sex offenders) deserves a chance of proving it & redemption.
Most people don't think like you unfortunately. They don't want to actually try and fix the problem, so abuse doesn't happen again, or even in the first place. Every stupid mthfkr on here talking about woodchippers and lynching is a keyboard warrior who will change absolutely nothing for the better and is just talking smack to make themselves feel tough. They aren't going to go out and murder anyone, it's all posturing. Virtue signaling crap. I want better mental health programs, I want better reentry programs, that's why I'm studying law and criminology. Nothing is ever going to change if we all sit around yelling empty reactionary threats.
I want free school lunches and more after school programs, I want kids to not be forced into vulnerability either through poverty or a latch key kid because their parents work 3 jobs, or both. Focusing on mental health and having the hard and uncomfortable conversations about the real reasons people commit crimes of all kinds, and surprise, the majority of crimes are not committed for the sake of being evil. They are committed because someone didn't get the early intervention, and mental health support they needed.
@@plutomuttPREACH
Amen I Agree
Even the worst can change and at least should be given an opportunity to prove they can and try to make Amends the best way they know how 🙏🏽💯❤️🔥🙌🏽☝🏽
You have just deluded any and everything you said about redemption. Redemption is not earned but given you Pharisee.
Maybe you should be their victim.
My heart really goes out to the woman that had to hear that the person convicted through DNA evidence and identification lineup is denying the crime. What a violation all over again. And the fact that she’s still compassionate towards offenders and acknowledged that they suffer under a broken, wasteful registry system is truly amazing. What an amazing human really.
What I found interesting is why the PD simply don’t take dna from the men in the lineup first, then have the victim to choose from the lineup. I do not believe in DNA 100% because you can be connected to any crime. All I need is your dna, that easy.
I wouldnt be able to do it
@@FiveMCity that’s very true, I didn’t think about the fact that you can get set up very easily with DNA. In this case - because the DNA was found on her thigh, that would likely require a well put together premeditated plan to frame this man and that would have involved the victim… with the evidence that was presented (and no indication that she knew this man) a set up seems unlikely imo.
@@JamieAdeana I think I would have been incredibly angry about the denial … she had a lot of grace about it all!
I think her compassion is a coping mechanism. The way she responded when she found out that he wasn’t remorseful and that he actually denied assaulting her, thereby basically calling her a liar on top of everything else, shows she kind of built up in her mind that while doing time he probably felt guilty, he probably felt remorseful, he was suffering just like she was from this awful crime… only to find out, no, he wasn’t. He wasn’t remorseful at all. He wasn’t accepting responsibility at all. She needs to understand that his response and his behavior negates her position. He literally proved her assertion wrong in that respect. As to her saying well he must not have gotten the therapy he needed… You can’t force the benefits of therapy on people. You can’t force them to gain anything from it, especially when they don’t think they did a darn thing wrong to begin with. All the therapy in the world isn’t going to fix a person who doesn’t think they did anything wrong, refuses to take accountability for their actions, and basically blames the victim by calling them a liar. My heart goes out to her. Learning this about him clearly reopened wounds for her.
“Don’t commit sex offenses if you don’t want to be in the registry.” Should have ended the documentary right there, because that sums it up.
As someone who has been victimized, I think it's a rare occurrence to find a "nice" person who's a sex offender. It's hard for a person to be "redeemable" when they can't be trusted. From what I've experienced, they use physical threats, intimidation, make you feel disgusting beyond anything you've experienced before, etc. Seeing the person who did this to me years later, he hadn't changed.
boohoo I was a victim
@@kr33p0 wouldn’t be surprised to find out you are a SO 👀
@@oliviathabie like you?
🙏
@@jasonwitt3423 you are?
Tell me you're NOT a victim of SA without telling me you're not a victim of SA. Let the host of this episode go first ...
My deepest sympathies, thoughts and prayers to all those who've been violated by sex offenders. It's never easy, it's damaging, it rips one's soul apart. Sending you light♥️
I’ve never felt less sympathetic watching a VICE video.
It’s almost like the video producers are trolling us. Like some hipster SNL skit
39:06 is such incredible comic timing i refuse to believe that was accidental
Thank you for posting this. I feel like I’m in crazy town watching this video, and all of the sympathy towards the guilty is infuriating and confusing. No mention of the victims. However, I do feel that laws could be changed to offer degrees of offense included in the registry. A Romeo and Juliet situation *may* be a grey area in many situations, as one example of this.
You are surprised? Vice has been sticking up for pedophiles , satanist , the cartels , and every other evil you can think of for a decade lol .. all leftist have to stick up for them things now or they will out you from the cult
People who abuse kids, dont deserve to have rights.
In America, even those who have committed sex crimes who are released from prison are afforded their consitutional rights. If you don't think that is right then don't let them out of prison.
@@Skipbo000 Agree, they should not be let out of prison.
@@BeneficentBilby wtf? Seek counseling
Facts
We should put em in a general population prison. See how it feels like to be a victim
i was almost caught off guard by sarah’s empathy. she is so strong, and i think she sends an important message to survivors.
Notice not ONE of these predators spent any time thinking about their victims. Most of them spend their time minimizing or straight up denying their crimes and focusing on how they were inconvenienced.
If you have been a victim of sexual abuse and you go on to commit it against another person that is not only NOT a justification but makes it 100 times worse.
The reason most SANE people regard sexual crimes as worse than murder is because there are justifiable reasons to murder someone, sexual based crimes have ZERO justification EVER.
Sexual predators have no empathy for anyone but themselves, they should count themselves lucky for that run down motel because if it were up to the average person they would be shot and set on fire. All that acting didn't fool me for a second, and i hope it didn't fool ya'll either.
Your complaint is with Vice, not the people they interviewed. It's a story about how the sex offender registry is broken. Of course they only asked them questions around that, and cut out unrelated parts of their responses
Most sane people regard murder as far worse than sex crimes. That is evident in the justice system and punishments handed out. What you're saying is coming from emotion, not reality. Don't think everyone shares your views. They don't. Not even all sexual abuse survivors would agree with you
The therapist just said that the video editing was made so that they cut out the power where the abusers showed remorse and empathy during therapy. I hope thé comment doesn’t get deleted.
@right weaponry you're right, if someone is committing a sex crime on a child and gets murdered by the parent it's excepted by the community. 💯
exactly. it was so weird to me how the documentary was trying to make viewers feel bad for (in my opinion, rightfully) stigmatizing sex offenders when they were saying "well at least we arent murderers!!" like either all crimes are bad or theyre not....
@@dreahdickinson9602 …we don’t know what they view as worse? are you a part of society? they clearly, in every way, all over the entire nation, view sex offenses as worse.
I'm all for compassion and it's the people that are least deserving that need it the most. However, it's REALLY hard to have compassion for sex offenders. Especially child molesters, which can do irreversible damage to a victim. Additionally, and specifically, to those who victimize children, I'm not sure you can rehabilitate sexual desire. I would be open to a bit more granularity with how we handle different types of sexual crimes, but I also wouldn't die on that hill. Edit: After watching the video it makes it even harder to have compassion for (actually I have none) the main person they were following. He had no remorse and just lied about what he did even when presented with DNA evidence. Edit 2: And he sent a d*** pick...bruh
I 100% agree!!
So, in your opinion, is it fair that a 15-year-old horny boy got 16 years of prison, plus a lifetime of hardships, for giving oral sex to a sleeping woman?
For one, its a little known fact that many sex offenders are people with autism. So mentally, many of them are children at hearts and aren't fully aware of the gravity of what they have done. Also, it's possible to rehabilitate sexual desire through chemical castration, something that I really wish was a widespread practice because it would save a lot of people from trauma. I understand how difficult it is to empathize with sex offenders and I'm by no means disagreeing. It's the most selfish act a person can commit, and ruins so many people's lives beyond belief
didnt read all the way...but your sentence...sex off CAN DO damage to minors.....wtf....its not CAN DO, it THEY DO!!!!!
@@Lipi19821 why are you commenting if you didn't read the comment. Lol
As someone who was abused as child I can never sympathize, while I do understand the situations and their plights, I don't care personally
Same. I specifically watch these videos to try and challenge myself and my beliefs but as a victim I cannot. my stance holds
@@pettiestofbettys Yep, took me around a decade to finally be comfortable enough to be in a relationship or close with others, even then I still have bad days and nightmares that make me feel so stuck, it's unforgivable
@Enoch Tse No doubt there's a massive social stigma against in both directions, one for victims to not speak up(that's gotten better in recent years) and then the convicted offenders, there's no place they're completely safe from violence or general hatred, in prison or let free
@Enoch Tse I think because to most people, who we choose to have any form of sexual activity with is deeply personal and connected to our own sense of agency and identity as an individual
@Enoch Tse I think its because of the motive for these types of crimes. In other crimes like murder and violence, the motives can be financial, out of anger, or irrationally. Those crimes can be quick or planned out, but the human aspect of it can be removed, such as using a weapon to distance yourself from the hurt you are imparting on the victim. When it comes to sexual assault, not only is the offender feeling the hurt they impart on the victim in a very intimate way, the offender is *GRATIFYING* themselves to that hurt. Think about it: in a moment of rage you can punch someone and regret it later, but can you gratify yourself to the pain you are inflicting onto someone? People with empathy can't imagine doing that.
As a victim I am watching this to try to gain a sense of empathy and understanding. I think it's always important to watch the other side of your opinion to see the world as not black and white. I do think there needs to be a level of nuance when approaching who deserves to be registered and who doesn't. There is a level of gray area that I think needs to be addressed. There are some cases that are non-violent minor offenses. I think it should be a part of sentencing on whether a conviction deserves registering or not.
All my sympathy went right out the window the second she said he sent a photo of his kibbles and bits 😳 I'm sorry but I think you picked the wrong guy to show that rehabilitation is possible.. 😬
So you admit you have no sympathy? Something you and sociopaths have in common.
I have sympathy because I am a good person unlike you.
They picked the right person. Even if that didn't happen we would have known it was going to happen just from listening to him talk. "Sex offenders" don't need rehabilitation, individuals who can and want to be rehabilitated will be rehabilitated.
To be fair they probably finished up all the interviewing before that.
@@nathanielsmith2926 that was probably the best example of a rehabilitated sex offender they could find 😂
FOR REAL
I think they should really weigh this discussion with the insane problem of how many sex crimes never result in arrest, let alone conviction. I'm a white, college educated, middle class American and dealt with countless unconsensual sexual assault (such as strangers ripping my clothes off in public, being fingered when I wasn't looking by a complete stranger in bar) and domestic violence ... talking to police never resulted in anything. I think it's the norm for young women/ girls especially to be sexually harassed, abused and imagine how much worse it is for minorities, the poor, the disabled, people in impoverished countries.... so we are supposed to have all the sympathy for the sex offender stigma? It's a bit much even for this bleeding heart liberal.
Jesus where the hell are you hanging out?
Jesus, If all that is happening to you ma’am, you need to stay home.
It’s so funny reading all these comments, men really have no idea how common sexual harassment and assault really are. Men, talk to the women in your lives, you will find that assault is a common experience and most of these crimes go unpunished, because the powers that be hardly consider these crimes, like the guy in this show.
Brown uncle, you also n Ed a close eye kept on you.
I'm not white. But a first generation immigrant of Somali descent generally assumed to be biracial.
But from my experience when I was clearly underage and insecure unsure of myself is when I felt most targeted but not so much as a self assured adult.
Coming from a lower income background I can't even imagine how bad it is for people who don't have families like my own who don't have substance abuse issues or have generational trauma, dysfunction etc. Where there aren't parents/relatives actively involved in your life, attending and dropping you off to extracurricular activities.
I hate how vice is making it out "poor sex offenders" 😒. I feel for people who are wrongly convicted but I don't feel bad for sex offenders. They should def be locked up.
So a public urinator on the registry should end up ostracized?
I agree there should be punishment. And the law says that for whatever crime, there is a maximum punishment. If your maximum punishment is 10 years, when you're 10 years is over, that's it. You get to get out of jail, you've paid your so-called debt to society, right?
Regardless of the offense, the man in the beginning of the documentary spent an extra 6 years in jail. It may not sound like a lot to you, but imagine what it would be like if you're waiting for your Amazon package to come, and it took six extra years.
@@completely_worthless_being the chances of you becoming a sex offender for peeing in a bush are extremely unlikely. The few who end up the registry for such offenses usually did something very stupid/malicious, like peeing in a kid’s park when they know there are a bunch of kids nearby watching. Don’t use a scenario that rarely happens to paint a broad brush. Yes, vast majority of sex offenders deserve being locked up
@@dathunderman4 No mere public urinators should end up on any god damn registry - ever.
Yeah very weird to expect common sense@@Andy_Scott81
The sex offenders are not the victims. I just can't feel sorry for them. The victim also endures a lifetime of pain.
SO much respect for the woman who was assaulted for A.) telling her story to millions, B.) Standing up to the counternarrative of 'i aint fuckin do it' and C.) has the grace to NOT want to have people like him spend extra time behind bars despite him not even admitting to the crime he committed against her.....for as awful as he is, she's strong in equal measure.
Hmph 🐍
I wasn't there & neither was you. Moving right along.
Absolutely !
@@harrynicholes3166 no, but his DNA sure was
She is a better person than I am thats for damn sure lol
I can't forgive someone who talks before about how they are not being forgiven and their stigma when they don't ever say anything about what they did to their victims. They don't even consider how much they hurt their victims for life.
none of that matter. no one is asking to forgive, have compassion or even like them. this is about affording them the same rights we afford every other person in the criminal justice system.
You need to go back to high school English. That was like trying to interpret what cavemen used to write on walls.
@@Skipbo000 guess what when a person gets out of jail they are not going to be millionaires with a mansion as an equal right. Affordability is on those with consequences drug addict, serial killer, and serial rapist sex offender. Just saying.
@@Skipbo000 it does matters for a lot to normal people so they will never support those criminals.
@@Chamelionroses how about a job. should they be able to work?
Makes me so happy to see how much these offenders are suffering, thanks for doing this piece!!!
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@@realJimMarshall 🤛
inhumane treatment should trouble you.
@Skip Bo
Keeping kids safe is my bigger priority than some child molester or rapist having a hard time finding a place to live. Sorry but if you want to live next to a school, don't touch kids sicko.
@@Skipbo000 it’s humane to treat the inhumane inhumanly. And let’s be honest here your sympathetic to s@x offenders because your a current or future s&x offender because if you weren’t you’d be ok with these predators suffering.
I can't believe that he did that to people that were trying to help him. He, in my opinion, is the type of person who can't be rehabilitated because he takes no responsibility for what he clearly did and why it's wrong. I understand that witnesses are unreliable, but he had 4 DNA experts including ones from Vice who had no skin in the game say he did it. He sent graphic and unwanted pictures to someone in the crew. I am glad that they included victims and the part about him doing that. They may have an angle, but they actually told the truth about their cases.
Yeah I love how sympathetic the reporter was and he still came out looking bad
@@patrickluby6473 in many instances reporters have to be nice to get more information. Some cops use similar tactics and even give them things like food, cigarettes, soda, etc... if you didn't know the situation you'd think they were friends. Vice wanted the story and got it. My guess is that they didn't like him as a person, but they needed him to finish the story. Like all of us they have a job and sometimes that job has bad, disturbing, and horrible people and experiences in it.
He should get life in jail
Lack of impulse control. Thinks everyone wants it. Delusional.
@Ken North I think she's just trying her best to give the full story from all angles. If she was just being completely sympathetic to that guy she wouldn't have brought up the DNA and the unwanted pictures.