.22LR Handgun for Self-Defense? CCI Velocitor Review
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Comprehensive review of the .22 LR CCI Velocitor, focusing on handgun self-defense ballistics. Video includes overview, chronograph readings, day/night shots, multiple block shots (bare gel and also FBI heavy clothing protocol), and detailed summary. The gel block was graciously provided by CLEAR BALLISTICS. All other resources.....including ammo, handgun, targets, and the sharp stick.....were purchased out of pocket.
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I'm 78 years old and I have switched to a .22LR for My EDC. I have been a Glock Guy for almost all of my shooting life and I also carried a G19 as my Duty Weapon for over 10 years up to my retirement! I still have a G48 which I love but I now shoot only 22LR or 22 magnum! I stay sharp by shooting once every week at my LGR here in Florida and I feel very comfortable and confident with my P17 as my EDC! As we become older, adjustments have to be made and I have made them as part of my New Shooting Life! Stay Sharp and Safe!
Let's face it, for personal self defense where the goal is to break contact, a 22 that can be shot quickly and accurately is all anybody would need. And, frankly, it looks a lot better if you have to face a jury in these crazy times. I love my fancy 9 mm with a custom slide and holosun red dot, but my edc is a Ruger SR22.
Idk if youll see this but they make a glock 44 in 22
I hate it when his videos end. Quality content.
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Yes he’s good but he acted like he thought the .22 should expand. I wouldn’t want it to expand.
Never underestimate the .22lr
Well me personally being retired law enforcement it's really about shot placement. I would trust myself with a 22 long rifle because I know where to place that round !! No matter what the caliber shot placement is the key !!
Billy Bates Jr .22 works better than that stick
Billy Bates Jr Absolutely correct! Thx 4 serving your community!
You chance of stopping a determined attacker is nil. They may die, but not before they get to you, also carry a knife.
There are studies of shootings, one shot stops and full mag stops, seems 380 is minimum and bigger calibers are better, if you can shoot them well.
@@thompsonjerry3412 You mean like the study cited in the video, where 28% of the hits by 22lr were "incapacitating first shots", or rather 39% of the people shot were incapacitated by the first shot (when shot multiple times, only the first is the "first shot") and 34% of the shots were fatal? You won't get much better from other standard pistol rounds.
Man!! I am SO glad you are making videos again.
He is not. This was a special video he made for the CIA.
No kidding. I kind of thought he had died.
Hell yes. I missed you. You just made my night. I hope your doin well and hope to see more vids
Great video! The .22s & .25s tend to give icepick-type wounds no matter what load. Some look down on that.....but I've never met anyone who wanted to be stabbed by an 18" icepick multiple times.....
@V. P. N lmao and 9mm blows the lung out the body right
Velocitors and Stingers are what I consider my defense rounds. I chose 22lr for a lot of reasons:
1. Cheap
2. Good entry point into firearms
3. Low recoil
4. Light weight (Something not mentioned in your video. My own research places 130-140 rounds / pound. Other calibers are around 40 and lower.)
5. Future proof for CA laws. A lot of the firearm regulations here in CA have excluded rimfire by name in the written laws. I figure by the time they start regulating and banning rimfire, I'll either be using my rifle out in the woods to survive Civil War 2, or the gun grabbers are finally being honest and trying to ban all guns... Hmm. So, yeah. In both situations I'm in the woods hunting squirrels and rabbits and hiding from Civil war 2.
6. Can be deadly with good shot placement. Not the best, but deserving of respect.
I carried a 22LR for CCW until I could afford a centerfire. With a 22LR, don't stop with the first shot, fire in bursts, assess and follow up. More holes is more effective, in any caliber.
For about half the cost, I'll stick with Mini Mags. Great presentation. Thanks for sharing.
A THUG Shot with a 22LR is. better than a THUG that just just walks away from robbing you or someone else.
. . . for one thing, it’s highly probably that the thug with a .22 LR wound - even a relatively minor one - will eventually go a local ER, the police will be notified, the facts will be investigated, and the thug will be arrested. With this said, however, we should all take great care to comply with the applicable local statutes.
I'd rather use pepper spray than a .22
Roy Kiefer must be nice to live in your fairytale world. Obviously you didn’t listen to the results and the effectiveness of a 22LR on stopping an individual. Or maybe you’re one of the LEFTIST that like to coddle THUGS.
@Rooster Currie: Can you read? Did you read my post? Perhaps you should read it again.
I clearly stated: (1) that the thug, even if he received only a relative minor .22 LR wound, would probably require ER treatment; (2) that, therefore, law enforcement would be notified and would investigate; and (3) finally, that the thug would thus be arrested. How in the world could this possibly be interpreted as “coddling” criminals?
In addition, I never denied the .22 LR’s efficacy; however, there is no question: (a) that it is not as effective as the common defensive handgun rounds (such as the 9x19mm, the .40 S&W, the .45 ACP, the .357 magnum, and so forth) and (b) that all the common handgun rounds are marginal “immediate threat stoppers” in comparison to most well respected long-gun centerfire ammunition (both shotgun and rifle).
As for my comment concerning compliance with local laws, if a thug has robbed an individual and is WALKING AWAY - those are your precise words - from the crime, then in many justifications the immediate threat of dire injury or death to innocents has ended and, whether or not you agree, shooting the felon at that point is ABSOLUTELY NOT legally sanctioned.
@@roykiefer7713 in england and scotland, its the other way around, the thug would be treated as the victum, and real victum would arrested on suspicion of attempted murder then relesed without charge pending invesgation. then he would be red flagged and he MIGHT have his guns taken off him until after the invesgation ! if he shot this dick head in his own home, it would be very unlikely he would face any charges and would be notified in 3-6 months after the local crown proscutor look at the case ! he should get his guns back but he would be interviwed by the police firearm department before that !
the thug MIGHT get indictable charges against him mostly likely a shitty summary offence charge and no prison time !
*this shit doesnt apply to whole union !
I think 22lr is a good choice for a young or elderly person . Its also fun to shoot. Great job as always.
I was surprised how far they went through the clothing sample then the block ! My elderly mother has that same pistol . I like my 9mm pistol so I'll stay with it for me.
Most people underestimate the damage a .22 can do.
Sure, bigger calibers (with the appropriate bullets) can do more damage but they are also more difficult to control for follow-up shots and the guns themselves are bigger and heavier.
Don’t know why anyone would thumbs down your videos… You’re quality dude...good job!
I been enjoying the velociters. They're loud as hell but they're fun to shoot and have some authority for a .22lr. The one thing gell tests domt always tell is how the round also disrupts bones. That's a very important factor too, and then of course the psychological effect on drawing a gun on someone with a knife
Just saw your comment about not returning, wishing you luck in life, I always come back to your videos for useful data points.
Great to have you back. If you can get some new Winchester Silvertip 22lr defensive ammo, would love to see it thru your 4 layer test. Carry cci velocities now but leaning toward the Silvertips
Welcome back! Thank you for putting out a new video. I've recommended a 22LR and the SR22 to a student. We then trained her to shoot it accurately and to continue firing until the threat stopped.
I love the Ruger sr22, it's such a nice gun. Great video!
For one that is profficient with aiming, I guess a 22lr to the head or heart stops as fast as a bigger cal.
A new TN Outdoors video!! Monday ain’t so bad now.
This was a really convincing show don't tell exposé on .22cal for self defense. This video was very thoughtful and the delivery was pitch perfect.
The Velocitor makes a lot of sense out of a rifle-length barrel, where I've seen it consistently achieve 12+" of penetration while expanding to frankly impressive degrees. For a pistol, I'd just stick with the Mini-Mag solids, however.
Wow, I never saw this one on the way. Damn, I have missed the best ammo testing channel around. Thank you, and yes, I have wanted to know more about 22lr handgun ballistics. This is a very welcome vid. I would not feel poorly armed with a 22lr handgun. I guess the only way know for sure, it to ask a criminal who picked an honest citizen that was armed with a 22lr handgun, their opinion, if the criminal is still able to breathe - or talk.
Very interesting and well done. Like your videos, succinct, lots of good info, and professionally done. I practice most of time with the 22lr. I switch over to 9mm for the last 20 to 30 mins. The CCI ammo always fires. I am virtually always very accurate out to 15 yds. The 9mm accuracy varies from session to session. I started carrying an sr22 with a 4.5 in barrel; in the summer, abt 2 yrs ago. As we all know, shot placement is most important. I know I have that with the CCI Velocitor. Thanks for the great videos.
Thank you very much for all the videos that you have done over the years. They have been both edifying and entertaining.
I love your 22 tests and frequently rewatch them. Of all the presenters and of all of the different ammunition tests, these are my favorites. Thank you.
This is another outstanding - fact rich, empirical, coherent, articulate, demonstrable - UA-cam. AND your droll humor, as always , is GREATLY appreciated. So, thank you and I’m so glad you’re again posting your work!
Is .22 LR a “reasonable” defensive load? Well, I respectfully suggest felons may be grouped into three broad categories:
a. Those who will disengage and flee/surrender with minimum resistance from the lawful citizen (ranging from “Get the hell out of here, I’ve called the cops,” to a light illuminated, a slide racked, a shot fired, a dog viciously barking, or a minor - non-lethal and not seriously debilitating - wound).
b. Those who will fight tenaciously, probably ceasing their criminal aggressiveness ONLY when they succumb or when their wounds preclude physical activity (to illustrate this, the two murderers in the FBI’s April ‘86 Miami shootout tragically killed two Special Agents and wounded five more, although one suffered a dozen gunshot wounds and the other six).
c. Those who will quit after a significant wound(s), although not necessarily one that is immediately-fatal or immediately-incapacitating.
Based on the foregoing, I respectfully suggest that those in category “a” will likely be deterred by a handgun chambered in .22 LR (will these individuals appreciate the difference in bore size and resulting destructive potential between a .22 and a .44 or .45 . . . I doubt it). However, those in categories “b” and “c” need - at an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM - to be seriously hurting before they “throw in the towel.” While it is obvious a .22 LR hit (or hits) can instantaneous kill or disable, the proabrbility of achieving the necessary debilitation for those in group “c” to quit is certainly greater with wound(s) from 9x19mm, .38 Special +P, a .45 ACP, a .41 Magnum, and so forth chambered handguns. Finally, those in category “b” are even more unlikely to surrender with not-immediately-lethal handgun wounds; these are the extremely determined criminals, for whom defensive long-guns may be required (or highly preferable). Naturally, eventually fatal hits or incapacitating wounds from handguns will ultimately eliminate the threat, BUT THE VITAL ISSUE IS THE HARM TO INNOCENTS THAT WILL OCCUR IN THE INTERIM.
SO good you're back! The most professional reviews and analysis anywhere!
Best ammunition reviewer on UA-cam. Have been watching you for years and am glad you are back at it. Thanks for all the great content over the years. From one Tennessean to another. Keep up the good work.
Thank you brother. To me and thousands of others you are the gold standard in ammo testing.
Another of my favorites. surplus Beretta 81, got it for a song. No handpick. Excellent condition. Put LOK thin checkered black and red G 10 grips on it. Made it feel way better in the hand. Re-purposed a good quality IWB El Paso saddlery rough out leather “government 45 “holster.Clamped & marked with a fine point sharpie. Used smallest drillbit I have for the holes and saddle stitched it with a built in slight cant . Worked out great. Five dollars, bargain bin. A little bit of my daughters nylon kite string and a couple needles from the craft store. That gun shoots laser beams. Great follow up shots.. first experience with 32acp. Really like it. Manufacturer recommends 71 grain round nose ammo. No malfunctions whatsoever. Carry it with one HST hollowpoint and the rest 71 gain As recommended. It would most likely do fine with all hollow points. Haven’t tried it yet.
You read my mind, was considering 22 Velocitors for the wife in the M & P just the other day. But I must say I’m still more impressed with the C.C.I. 40 g solid mini-mags.
Glad to see you active again. Love your methodology. Your tests have help me make wise decisions. Thanks.
Big fan of . 22lr and 22 mag. For almost any aspect. Good hunting round , cost effective and will work for self defense with good shooting skills and the right firearm just as the same for any pistol cartridge. I think is a must buy for a collection pistol and rifle . For self defense a revolver would be the best choice in my opinion. Quality control has gone way up since they earned a rep. for unreal liability. Thank you for the great video keep em coming 👍
This channel has been my favorite for literal years, thank you for coming back and thank you for the quality you provide
Best firearm channel on UA-cam, hands down!! So glad you're back!
Glad you are back. Good stuff!
Your vids are always...the best. Thank you
I believe your content is superior to ANY ammunition testing that I have ever seen. What you do is much more difficult than other gun channels.
Always great vids with a touch of humor.
More videos, please!
40 years ago I was accidentally shot in the calf of my right leg by a .22. While it was not life threatening, it hurt like hell and it took 14 months for me to walk normal again! Had I been interested in stealing your wallet, sexual assault, or jacking your car, I can ASSURE YOU a shot from a .22 would change my mind!
We need to keep in mind that self defense is about changing people's behavior. If you shoot an attacker with a .22 and he runs away, YOU WIN! The criminal that attacked you will be easy to find when he seeks medical help, and he WILL seek medical help, or die 3 blocks away. Either way, it's all good for YOU.
You are not a law enforcement officer, you will not be called to face armed and desperate criminals or serve warrants on drug houses. You are defending yourself from someone who would do you harm. The natural reaction to being shot is "HOLY F**K HE/SHE IS SHOOTING ME!" and to run away. We can see it in countless security videos. An armed individual starts shooting and the bad guys scramble away ASAP! There are simply way too many UNarmed potential victims for a criminal to have any desire to deal with someone that has a gun. ANY GUN.
.22 is NOT my choice for self defense, however, if you feel it is the best choice for you (for any number of reasons) then go forth armed and confident.
What about drug crazed, bath salt zombies? Have you heard of any that took shots from a .22 and didn't lose interest in that "victim"?
@V. P. N A larger caliber shot to the calf, wouldn't kill an attacker outright either, but would hurt like hell. Place that 22 round in a vital area and you most likely wont be alive either. Dont fool yourself into believing a larger caliber will make up for shot placement, in an average civilian self defense situation.
People underestimate the 22. It can kill someone just the same. Everyone says don't use it for self defense but who is going to volunteer to get shot by a 22. Carrying a 22 is better than nothing at all.
Sorry to read your pinned comment. I woke up and got my ccw license when Obama was elected and our second amendment was in jeopardy. The knowledge I got from your channel was priceless. ALL of my carry ammo was chosen based on your reviews. God Bless!
So professionally and calmly done. The Legend of TNOutdoors9. I'm glad you collaberated w .22 Plinkster. It'd be cool to see you two make a video
Back in the early '80's I knew a guy that was shot 6 times with a .22. He died a week later. The Dr. said the danger from a .22 is it has the velocity to enter but not enough to pass thru and veers all directions in the body. And the bullet lube gave him a bad infection they lost the battle with.
I absolutely LOVE your videos man. All the specific info I'm looking for.. and I didn't think I'd ever find it out there anywhere.
Great data and commentary, as always. When faced with a life or death situation, you always go with what you have. Some folks (like me) carry a .22 as a hold-out or backup. If you're lucky and/or skilled enough to get a .22 where it will incapacitate, you're ahead of the game (unless your stick is VERY sharp.) It's also worth mentioning the tragic case of South Carolina Trooper Mark Hunter Coates, a law enforcement hero who was killed by a slow-moving .22 bullet fired from a North American Arms revolver with a 1 & 1/8" or 1 & 5/8" barrel. (I can't remember if it was an LR or magnum; they have different barrel lengths.) IMHO, If you think you'll every need to use a .22 handgun in self defense, expansion will likely never occur and you should instead look to penetration and - perhaps most importantly - reliable operation in your EDC of choice. Thanks to tnoutdoors9, we have a wealth of data to help inform our choices.
I swear when I look at those stats at the beginning I don't think you'd see better with a 9mm. I will always wonder if we'd be about as good off carrying a .22 especially considering the no recoil and far better accuracy most would get.
If .22 didn’t jam as much as it does
I don't know, that stick looked wicked. Glad to see you back at youtube.
Welcome back! Your data has helped me select carry rounds in several different calibers
Thanks to God that you are back, I was waiting for another review on the 22lr ammo. Thanks for the video. You are one of the best channels on youtube. Be safe.
Awesome results. Thank you for doing the work of the people. I've got an SR22 for my wife because she is so recoil sensitive. Looking at the S&W .380 EZ once she gets a little more comfortable.
With 3.5-ish inch autoloaders , might just as well use regular 40gr RN .
Would be interesting to test from 5in , 6in autos, or 6.5in revolvers .
Glad you’re making videos again. I always find them informative and well thought out.
The world is right, TN Outdoors has posted another great video! I'm so glad to see you back on here! I have a multitude of 22 caliber pistols and rifles, and a bunch of Velocitor ammo. Thanks for the video!
Glad to see ya back at it! And by the way, I'll take the .22 over a pointy stick any day. Keep them coming.
Awaiting standard mass and sharpening angle on sharp stick.
Gel tests to follow?
I just bought a SR22 for plinking and really love the pistol itself it turns out. One thing not discussed in this video is cavitation effect on wound effect and its effect on stopping power. The cavitation in the gel is clearly visible on the "dressed" shots and it is clear that a double tap on a dressed 2-legged predator wearing denim will create a permanent wound cavity and immediately stop that guy from coming at you. Extend that mag to 15 before it's banned and carry that bad boy.
Good lord, almost broke my mouse clicking so fast. NEW VIDEO!
Same here.
Same same
I cannot believe how happy I and others are to see you posting again!
Also, the sharp stick part was funny
Your vids are sooo darn GOOD that the comments are about our gratitude for your doing them again, as opposed to negative drivel about how stupid it is to count on the .22 for SD! LOL. While I prefer my 9mm SD guns, I LOVE my Ruger .22 and do CCW it once in a while. Again, thanks for all you do!
How about a video on 22magnum? And maybe 380
Very Happy to have you back on UA-cam outdoors! :)
I love surprise TNOutdoors9 days! I'm so glad you didn't quit for good.
TN, I'm glad you're feeling well enough to do these videos again. This was a very good quality video and I look forward to any others you do in the future. Thanks!
Damn, love your reviews! My Wife is a slight little thing and is very recoil sensitive and has a Ruger SR22 with FibreOptic Sights, Crimson Trace Laser and 15 Round Mag Extensions. I would not want to be the bad guy coming down the hallway! She uses CCI Velocitor and MiniMags. My Sig 226 is just too heavy for her, and she would rather use a sharp stick over the Glock19, she can't hold onto the thing with her small hands. Great review!!!
Same test with Federal Punch ammo would be great. Designed from the ground up as defense ammo for 22lr pistols.
You do great reviews. Thanks for doing these, they answer a myriad of questions.
This shows that while they may not expand they do tend to tumble, which is an effective wounding method as well. Maybe that should be the focus if anyone wanted to make .22LR ammo geared toward the defensive pistol market.
Thank you TNOutdoors for all that you have contributed to the gun community. I will miss your humor and intelligent approaches to tests of common concern.
It's always a treat when a new tnoutdoors9 video pops up.
Thanks for your video! This is a revelation for 22 LR pistol and self defense as far as this round is concerned.
At 2:34.....For those of you who don't have patience....That is what you wanted to know. This is the highest energy you will ever reach out of this barrel, 3.5 inches. I've seen other videos where the fps is a little bit higher enough out of a 5 inch barrel and it crosses the 100 ft-lbs energy line, but barely. It did also fully expand most of the times, which is a little better than a 3.5 barrel. If there is a round you want for self defense, this is it!
This is the most powerful 22 LR round for a handgun. Period.
.22LR is useful for self defense--especially if fired from a 3-4 inch barrel to boost muzzle velocity. The .22 guns are basically the successor to budget .25 ACP guns "poor commoners" used to carry back in the 1970s for self defense. This was a very informative video. Thanks.
I've seen enough videos of armed citizens defending themselves to be convinced that 80-90% of the time you could succesfully defend yourself with a blank firing replica, so a .22lr and the right attitude will almost always win the fight. Me personally, I'm still going to choose 9mm, 5.56, and 12ga when I can.
.45 or .357 magnum for me!!!👍👍👍👍
It would be awesome if you could redo this test using Winchester Slivertip which is designed for short barrel hand gun for defense. Great video!
Nothing to worry about Doctor. It is ONLY 22 caliber you're digging out. The bleeding is only from small holes.
GOOD to hear you again. Be Well.
It would be interesting to compare this to the Aguila 22 interceptor. That is suppose to be just a bit better than the CCI Velocitor.
I’ve used this round for some years now and been very happy with the results !
I’ve never had a single misfire!
Great to see a new post! Thank you
Thomas, thanks for all your content and tireless work that goes into making it, I sincerely appreciate all your work! Thank you!
Great video. It's always a treat when you make a new video, they're so rare now. Of course it's definitely worth the wait. *:-)*
Prolly still hurt bad. Cool to see new videos
I considered the SR22 for CCW, and bought an IWB holster for it. The thought process was that I could easily put 10 rounds on target, with minimal recoil.
It never happened, as I went with a single stack 9mm, but 22LR is still better than finger nails and four letter words.
Let me guess, the salesman behind the counter at the gun store talked you out of it.
I was surprised to see the date on this video, Welcome Back !
I'm so happy you're back. I couldn't agree more with the video. Perhaps you should try Winchester Super X if you plan on doing more rimfire testing, it's a 40 grain hollow point rated at "1435" fps and I know it anchors rabbits like a 50 pound anvil from a rifle.
*Good to see another video from you TN.*
Great video!
Real world view of 22lr for self-defense!
Not perfect, but better than a sharp stick!
In all your videos I always notice how accurately you shoot those plates. Two shots a second and they are always tight groups.
Welcome back and thank you for the great footage. Have missed your work.
. 22lr for self defense; marksmanship is all about shot placement. If one is a Master Class IPSC shooter with extensive combat experience then have at it. I do realize it is all about shot placement but preference is something more in the 230gr weight range as no matter how good you are.....your opponent could possibly be better.
Thanks sir for the quality work that you do. You are appreciated. Please keep them coming.
Pretty cool gelatin tests. I thought I saw some flashes of light from dieseling with 3 shots in the 2nd string (the "clothed" gelatin string), and sure enough! First time I've ever seen that happen with .22LR in a gelatin test. That alone was worth the price of admission, but the rest of the video was also nicely done. I don't discount the .22 LR for self-defense. It's not my go-to choice, but if it were all I had when goblins came through my front door, I sure wouldn't put it down and pick up a golf club instead! Cheers.
It is so nice to see you making videos again.
Our ancestors were using .22lr in black powder in small derringers and pocket snub revolvers as early as 1880s, and those bullets were probably moving at much lower speeds around 700 + ft/sec, yet they used them for self-defense.
Up to these days, military professionals also use this round for a reason. Here is more extensive info on the round:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle
From what i can remember of prior testing by you and others, it seems like Mini Mag is a good way to go in handguns, and the barrel length should be 4" or longer. Of course, a 9mm or 38 Spl +P is a better choice for a primary handgun. But the 22 has uses for people who can't tolerate recoil or may lack hand strength. A SA 22 revolver can be fired quickly with practice and might work for folks like that, and many of them hold more than 6 rounds. Food for thought. Of course, a 4-5/8" Blackhawk with 38 +P would be a better choice, but again some ppl might find it too heavy to hold. A DA snubby may not be a good choice due to trigger pull weight. More food for thought. Anyway, great content as always. Thank you fir everything you do.
Hoorah for the revitalization of the TN9 outdoors Channel. Hope to see more Videos
Thank you for this sir! I'm a little disappointed none of them expanded out of the SR-22, but 9 well placed follow up shots should bring any 2 legged predator down.
Welcome back!!!
I've spoken with law enforcement officers & paramedics regarding the effectiveness of a 22lr EDC carry in a semi auto e.g. an SR22. These people have been called to the scene of perps shot with this caliber. They unanimously say they consider it just as effective as the common center fire handgun rounds. Yes, you don't get expansion, but you don't want expansion. The FBI rates effectiveness by penetration, not expansion. 12"+ does the job. You got that even through "heavy clothing". Expansion is only useful to prevent over penetration so a bystander isn't shot. Expansion us not necessary to stop a threat.
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As usual... excellent work! Thank you.
Glad to see your still making content. Stick was super funny
good to see you got back for awhile