The Answer To Yesterday's Video is: No - F-16 ADF Apex Predator
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Fuel: Max tank + droptank
Ammo: Ground targets
Missiles: 2x aim7M 4x aim-9L
Countermeasures: Depends on map Flares priority or flares only
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Verdict: operation skill issue gets more real with every update
Top tier takes a surprising amount of skill tbh especially situational awareness. You could have the best plane with the best missiles, and still underperform if you don't keep your head on a swivel in the initial furball.
*completely ignores original point*
@@stoyantodorov2133 True there games where I’ll be on my phone half the time and die immediately, even in the f16 yesterday and games where you absolutely clap when ur concentrated
@@stoyantodorov2133 nah. You either have the f14 or you die
you can thank Gaijin for adding this plane with its realistic G limiter for some reason when we have phantoms that can make 12G turns
Yup. They should limit all previous planes to 7/8gs max to be as realistic as this limiter in f16 xD And make su25 to break in half at 7g's but it's bad for russian planes :/
Or the f5 and mig 21 pulling 14g
@@adrianstachowski9422 personally i’d just like the limiter removed, i understand they let other jets pull more for gameplay purposes but it makes no sense to limit 1 plane to its “realistic” G pull… it’s just a nerf at that point
@@maverickjhett they could also put limiters on the other planes mig 21 i believe was only able to pull 8.2g and f5 7.6g its been a while since i had a discussion about the ridiculous g planes can pull in this game
@@colejones594 they wont, they let planes pull 1.5x more G for gameplay purposes, which is understandable (nobody want to only pull 6Gs in a phantom). but they shouldn’t apply limitations to certain aircraft
Can't wait for stealth predators update, f22 and su57 at 12.0
Nah, Gaijin would never do that, that would indicate bad BR compression!
Su-57 will be 12.3
can we also get F-117 premium at 10.0 :)
@@JackIsMe1993 Ridiculous. 10.3 is a whole nother story though.
To be moved to 11.3 after they've made back 500% of the cost to develop the in-game model.
@@natesiress1057 The thing has zero air to air capability
People will still bitch and moan about "high speed compression" because those planes are also limited to 8-9g.
in before "the f22 flies like an f104!"
Just stop turn fighting at mach 1 smh
the flight model reminds me of the ariete with how much it compresses at high speeds
this is truly a mig 15 moment
@@iampurechaos I was thinking that as well. The 15 and 17 compress worse than anything else I know
Q-5/A-5C as well, they compress post mach 1 horribly, like another plane when its in 600-800ish speed
It's because the FBW system limits G-pull to 9Gs
The problem is that war thunder has a dumb G system that allows you to pull 15gs, and that is largely because of the control scheme where everyone uses arrow keys with 100% pitch or nothing.
With a joystick you can control your rate of pitch, but with arrow keys it's all or nothing.
This worked ok with props, and even with compressing first gen jets.
But with high AOA capable fighters there is no limit to your pitch at high speeds; you need to be able to control your pitch rate, but the control scheme makes it extremely difficult.
Instead of finding some way to fix this, Gaijin just allows you to pull stupid Gs, along with the tiny maps this is a big part of why top tier air RB is so broken and unrealistic.
Now though with the introduction FBW jets, this problem is catching up with them.
The question is whether they will finally fix the G and M&KB control system, or they will take the lazy option and just get rid of FBW G-limits.
Still can’t believe I’m looking at an F-16 in War Thunder
At this rate (and with Gaijoobles' greed) we'll probably be looking at an F-22 in WT in 4 years lol
@@sadge1234 maybe even sooner, since the tech and game mechanics are mostly there already. F-22 would make a great 12.3 fighter :V
@@kny1098Probably gonna be more likely to be 13.0, honestly.
@@kny1098 11.7 actually, BECUZ IT SUXXX AT DOGFIGHTING ECKSDEEE!
the ticket system is the bane of my existence
so many instances i’ve had like that
hate it so much
The f104 flight performance could not be more spot on
Maybe it really was ahead of it's time.
so is the ASA actually better than the f16? it accels better, pulls more g's, (11gs) (pulls 16gs in a snaproll) higher top speed, turns roughly the same, has better sarhs (faster, pulls more), lower br, but has less aim9ls, and a slightly worse radar
@@primobiliran9967 Not at all. F16 is a low speed monster, and has a ridiculous t/w ratio. Its an f104 outside of a dogfight tho
Is it me or does it look like 30fps? Might've been the render issue
Skill issue
Now that you say it, I do see it...
Still watchable but strange nonetheless
omg smigol
Sounds like a skill issue ngl
i love your content even got myself a decal id like to see a series of videos focusing on the unique/ awkward fights in ground RB when you spawn as air
Picked up your decal and nailed it on the wing of my fulcrum, looks gorgeous
im glad you chose the best aircraft in the game for your decal, the f86f2 saber
youtube is recommending me your videos right after uploading, it's so good to -be European- live in the European Union. Thank you Doof for letting us see how top tier is going now.
Edited cause "being european" sounds sus.
Why is it good to be European in relation to his videos being recommended? Is the Algorithm different for legal reasons or something?
@@stanjon7 idk, I got this notification too, and I'm in the middle of the U.S.
@@stanjon7 Idk, I'm in the US and I get these recommended quick. He's probably glad these are uploaded at good watching times for Europeans, I guess.
Heh doof heheh
@@satagaming9144 Nah, he just knows Europe is the best 💪💪💪
The AIM-9Ls got secretly nerfed. The flare resistance is basically 0 now. They get flared 99% of the time now. The ADF went into service in 1989 and carried AIM-9Ms, AIM120s, and AIM-7Ms. Let the MiG29 get the R73 and give the F16s the AIM-9Ms.
The ADF also had the 66A radar (edit: in real life, currently has the wrong standard 66 radar in game) which was upgraded over the standard 66 radar to give it better Look Down, Shoot Down tracking for the new inverses pulsed seeker on the AIM-7M.
I mean it certainly didn't have AIM-120's in 1989...
Fuck no.
Idk about that, 9Ls are still the exact same stat wise according to the datamines. Unless they did some trickery server side, there is no indication they got nerfed. They were always easy to flare in front/side aspect and a bit harder in rear. I guess people are just abusing and overestimating its front aspect lock ability a bit too much. Especially now that many more planes got access to 9Ls people are also more aware of them in headons.
Yes, this thing does fly like an F 104 at high speeds... but it can absolutely bleed its speed and dogfight pretty much anything. Just pop the air break, turn your throttle to 0%, and turn. You can fight basically anything and it turns amazing! Plus, it's not as costly to lose your speed, because it picks it right back up again. I mean, a mig 21 jumped me outta nowhere when I was at like mach 1.15, went head-on, dodged, popped the air break, throttled back to 0, turned around and EASILY turned inside his circle and gunned him down. Then proceeded to be back at mach 1.15 in like 15 seconds. Don't be afraid to lose speed to dogfight (unless there are enemies closing in obviously).
Yup, and since you can't pull a hairpin turn at max speed you'll keep your speed always until you pop the airbrake. It's actually a bit of an advantage in many ways, especially the worse of a pilot you are. It's still ridiculous to have only one plane limited in this way.
Great video as always, you should take another look at the mirage IIIE, it’s down to 10.3 and it feels much better cause I think they changed the FM
DEFYN,by what looks like the F16A fly-by-wire system is modeled with the instrutor,because apparently the turning capacity is capped to 9G and a bit of 10G for stability and safety in high AoA and speeds,and because of that and you NEED to pull the airbrake out to try to pull as much as 10G
honestly the gaijin should have done some way to disable the fly by wire for "abusing" much more of the potential from F16 even with the risk of blowing up your wings off
I believe the AoA limit of 29 units can be overriden by a button (on bl10 and later) but the G limit is fairly hard.
The reality is every other jet in game is pulling too hard rn because pilot g tolerance for instantaneous pulls is absurd. The 9.5g limit exists to prevent Gloc and should be an advantage not a hindrance.
The issue exists more with others planes in warthunder being able to pull 14gs for no reason, needs to be limited on all to 6-9Gs depending on aircraft. People have no concept of the fact that dogfights dont happen at mach 1.3
No they need to fix the G system, and fix the control system that has prevented them from fixing the G-system.
No, even with a joystick in sim you can't pull that hard at high speed, I've tried.
@@TheAmazingchickens Gaijin apparently doesn't want the gameplay to be full on realistic. If it was very few props would be pulling more than 6-7Gs. However most every prop fighter being able to pull 10+Gs means that US props and 190s are nerfed by this. Fairly notably too. The F-16 gets a similar nerf where everything else is benefiting from unrealistic elevator pull.
The technical fix would be to just straight up nerf what the in game 'pilot' can pull to be more representative of what an actual human pilot can do. However most players likely wouldn't like that. Imagine everything pulling something similar to what the Hornet currently does.
My bigger issue with this is that certain aircraft are getting nerfed by these adjustments unfairly. The problem is that there isn't a way to really buff them without getting even more ridiculous.
I noticed you jettison your sparrows a few times, you think it gives a big enough flight performance increase to justify giving up the potential utility?
I can carry like 12 missiles on my f4c and only lose like 5 mph max speed, you don’t need to drop missiles
@@LewisB3217 False, the statcard may say that you lose only a few km/h but the pact on acceleration is pretty big. Noticed it especially after getting the F14
The second time he did it was for a close range dogfight, and the third time was because his radar got destroyed.
Got your lovely decal yesterday. Keep up the good content!
It's pretty crazy to see that the performance of planes have become so good that Gaijin forces people to fly with realistic parameters. The issue is that people have gotten used to flying in ways that break both the pilot and the plane that these extremely maneuverable planes feel gimped.
What
To a certain degree i can agree with that, breaks the OCD
Well put. Realistic battles with 12 G turn ain’t realistic.
@@DirtyMardi The problem is if you're going to restrict these planes, you have to do it to the rest in some way.
Warthunder had a multiplayer on gs i believe so a 9g pull is a 12g pull
That decal. I love it. Rare that I like such things but that one does it.
I can’t wait. The more things they force players to do while flying the higher I sit in the skill curve😂
Watching you're videos legitimately made me a better player.
Oh no, Tornado is next, can't bellieve you actually going trought this pain. Well, i hope you will do some nice medium tier plane after this to recuperate. Anyway, nice showcase of F-16 capabilities and your own skill, have a great day. Also, a question - does your experience say that new top tier jets are good but not broken on it's own, or they are really broken and you just don't state it blatantly?
Hey Defyn. Would you ever consider doing 1v1 or 2v2 tournaments? I think it woulf be really interesting to watch as well as you could showcase some of the flying style when fighting with that particular plane
Never thought I'd hear f16 and shit brick in the same sentence
There are only three fighters that *might* be able to outrate the F-16 at low alt: the F-22, SU-57, and Eurofighter typhoon. It's just a phenomenal plane at ripping around the circle quickly.
This thing should consistently beat the Mig-29 in two-circle fights when flown between 750-830kph, though I'd be surprised if that works in game.
It is actually a problem of the F-16 that it retains energy well enough that the massive engine will accelerate the plane beyond ideal turning speeds in dogfights. Gotta cut the burner sometimes
it does consistently beat the mig in a two circle and one circle even at low speeds
fun fact the chinese F-16 has 2x more pops on mixed than every other F-16
it gets 90 flares, and 60 of them drop 2 flares 2 chaff for 15 pops
and the last 30 drop 1 by 1 ( 1 flare 1 chaff ) for 15 more pops, for a total of 30 pops on mixed
You really should be able to choose how they drop
I'm honestly having a hard time deciding which plane is better.
9Ls are harder to flare, but they still get flared basically just as consistently as my R60Ms for me, except by omega hot planes like an F14. (They definitely seem nerfed a little bit compared to last update).
I found the R27Rs more consistent than the Sparrows, but the MiG-29 radar is definitely MUCH more of a pain in the ass to deal with. Once you get a radar lock they're very comparable, but the 29's ACM mode is so infinitely worse.
they nerfed it. 9L are easy to flare with 1 -2 flares
Definitely neefed the Ls. They flare 99% of the time.
@@brian-us6vw Yeah, the whole reason AIM-9Ms were developed was to produce a sidewinder with actual countermeasure resistance.
@@buschacha those are aim 9m not aim 9l Aim 9M was developed to have more resistance than the L variant. Did u mean the L variant and not Aim 9 M?
F14 is still best us jet with 6 radar guided missiles and descent flight performance
"Radar missiles are becoming more prevelant".. F14 hits hard still tbh ngl.. the phoenixes are surprisingly effective
How can you do the different colors between your aim circle and your IR lock system? Your IR locksystem is green and your aim circle is red. How?
I should have waited for both of these videos to come out (F-16 and Mig-29) but I made the worst mistake of my life and is spend my day off (tuesday) grinding the mig-29 only to see 6 enemy f-16s vs only me in mig-29, and they focus you down and I'm stock with only R-60s (not even R-60Ms)
I played 20 matches before I gave up and went to grind f-16 and there I was, happy and a feeling of "safety" as I was never 1v10 because "Russian teams" don't know how to play together and half of them die to radar at start of the match...
What a horrible experience I had in such a short amount of time Jesus Christ...
Thanks for the content DEFYN
With how f 16s work right now, ironically F4 EJ kai seems like a better choice, if you gonna missile trucking anyways why not choose plane with more of those missiles instead
How are you able to activate your radar target search for that long? mine goes for 1 second then stops searching...
wait you dropped your sparrows?? 6:29 oh nvm lol great vids btw
Hey Defyn, Love your vieods too. I would ask a personal preference of yours, which one is better in your aspect f16 block, f 16 ADF and Mig 29. I would be happy if you put to answer CAS and Air RB
This update is really a rollercoster of skill issues
On a special note the F4U-4B is now good at high altitude
Wait what why?
Corsairs keep on winning even when updates are not about them lol
@@virgilio6349 american radial power 💪
@@virgilio6349good on them! Loved using the corsairs. Sexy reverse gullwing and sturdy landing gear to boot.
Do you love the EC maps? because im pretty sure it can definitely drag matches longer like it does in lower br
The only reason EC map matches are longer is because of the longer time to travel to the fight. The fight itself is still mostly a furball which takes place in the middle of the map and takes no longer than on a normal map, you just fly for 10 minutes to get there
11.0-11.7 EC maps are a blessing
@@birthdwt8859 bozo opinion
@@birthdwt8859factually wrong
nice end with a team kill there!
This is prob the most enthusiastic warthunder player
Can you get the top left of your decal fixed? The cropped part looks kinda bad..
It’s sad to see how many people golden wiggled there way to these rank 8 jets. I really thought it wouldn’t happen and I’d say MLD’s and tomcats but boy half the teams seem to be wallet warriors now
I’m lvl 91 and have all of Great Britain researched and I got the ML to grind Russia. I wouldn’t blame the people but I would blame war thunder for allowing you to do it. If someone wants to spend their money on something they enjoy there is nothing wrong with it to me. Plus I didn’t do too bad in the mig-23ml at top tier when I played. There does need some balancing to the game though.
Blame gaijin, this is what they want, you funding Russiathunder with whales and premium chasers
9.3 is even worse buddy. Theres like 3-4 tech tree planes out of 12 on average. The rest are Harriers, A-10s, Frogfoots and Su-7s with a little A-6 and A-5 sprinkled on top.
Saw a level 6 player in a 23ML today...
He crashed on take-off
@@icantsleepman I wish they had a lvl 20 or 30 limit to get top tier premiums
Hey, when using your referral link for the Gaijin store, when I try to buy 25K GE, there is no reductions
the fix is to limit snap G's on pilots. A sudden onset 12-13g pull like everyone does in WT all the time will instantly induce GLOC, and on many airframes it'll just snap the wings off. 9.5G's is the correct fcs limit for the F-16 and an expert pilot should be able to sustain this for 30s without blacking out. The F-16's reclined seat should afford the pilot +1g of tolerance.
Nobody dogfights at 1000 kph. BFM happens at like 500-800 kph.
Yeah like wtf
I was able to pull 16G with the mig 19....16 fcking G
the problem here is that you have these two with realistic G limit fighting old aircraft capable of pulling 14g+ ...
they have to enforce realistic G limits for ALL aircraft or keep the previous 1.5 times the g limit rule every other plane uses
Aim-7M should have the same kind of seeker as the Skyflash, not sure if it's implemented or not though but it's almost impossible to notch, this isn't the case with the F on the EJ kai.
Well, from what I heard the seeker should have better low alt performance, and from the few times an F-16 got me that low, the missile tracked pretty well, morr than the F would
skyflash is a aim7e2 copy in wt
F14 pilot: yeah I’m gonna stick to BVR
7:00 thanks gaijin 💀💀💀💀
Cool seeing this, Cries in tornado tho
What's your opinion on drop tanks?
I want this thing just for sim, just look at the cockpit, radar all aspect sidewinders. its perfect for sim.
Dude thanks for telling the truth about F16. Since the patch dropped, I've been struggling, trying to tell my friends that F16 flies like an F104 but they said other CC's say it a very good aircrafts and one of the best in the game. Man has everyone become absolute idiots since the update?
I'm glad everyone in my circle agrees with you and I. The 9G limit Gaijin imposed on the F-16 just cucks it into oblivion. All the nerds out there will cite that it's done for "realism" yet no one bats an eye at the F-14 and MiG-23 pulling crazy high Gs (to the point they'd rip wings off or destroy components) in real life. If all the other aircraft are over-performing, it's only fair that the F-16 do the same.
@@keymind117 it isn't even realistic, the G-limiter is there for normal flight use, so a rookie doesn't accidentally slap the stick and send himself flying and burst all his blood vessels and unnecessarily shorten the lifespan of the airframe. In combat it can be turned off and is meant to be used that way, it is a safety tool, but gaijin treats it like a deficit.
Here's a video idea: How to fight against F-16s in your BR 10.7 F104G I haven't tried, but I bet it goes something like this: Fly near F-16, try to flare and dodge, fail, get slammed. Back to hangar we go.
The stuff you said about plane performance not mattering is why I just stopped trying to do anything related to top tier. I like small scale dogfights where you can carry against the odds and top tier just doesn't have that, or at least a lot less of it.
im only researching it to do duels with friends on custom battles, that at least is actually enjoyable, if only gaijin made 1v1 modes
Also from what I heard the aim 7m is a aim 7f at its core but the aim 7f has a better seeker and there was something else 8 forgot ehat it was but all I know is the new seeker in the aim 7m is just more chaff resistant
Not in game right not it’s copy paste
@@kynanledee5089 i see but thats what i just read up so the aim 7m is just a aim 7f at the core but just a better seeker head so idk if war thunder will implement that small change
My SRC PD rarely locks a target any tips on how to fix it?
Don't lock people running away who is same speed as you or flying parallel pd won't see the target
that 1st game you lost bc all your ground units had died
"and then i gave him a second stage afterburner, which burns twice as hot" 😂
I thought people were exaggerating when they said that the F-16 handles like a F-104 and i thought its just the FBW system that limits the pull to 9G but when i finally flew it i understood what they meant. The flight model is botched no 2 ways about it. The F-16 is limited by FBW to 8G but can get short bursts of 9G but in WT it simply doesn't turn right. At 700-800km it should be turning like a zero and in game it turns like a F-104 with critted wings. The one thing i noticed is that instead of turning performance being based on IAS, its based on whether the afterburner is on or off. Also botched is the AIM-7M. Instead of a significant upgrade over the AIm-7F, its more of a nerfed version.
12:22 "And then I give him a second stage afterburner which burns his hull" XDDDDD
Supposedly It's not compression at high speeds it's the jets G limiter kicking into effect
Do you think a G limiter should be on all modern jets like the F16?
It should be on all modern jets that had it. Mig-29, Su-27 has a soft 8g limiter overridable to direct control. F/A-18 has a soft 7.5g limit with paddle override up to 10. F-14/F-15 have no limiter but give overload warning at 7.5g and 9g respectively. All these numbers with AA stores only. Bombs and external fuel will reduce the limits in most cases.
@@appa609 The problem is that planes that dont have it in warthunder can in some scenarios sustain 11-12 G pull for multiple seconds without GLOC and thats just absurd.
@@appa609 No it shouldn't, this is a video game and obviously Gaijin is not smart enough to implement such mechanics without making it frustrating
so what are the differences of the 2 american f16s?
Can you get these decals through console?
Aim7m's seem to accelerate faster than 7f's
when you wanna fly the f-16 but you are still at tier 1 aircraft
All Warthunder needs for Air RB is better thought out gamemodes that don't snowball as much..
They should honestly cap toptier at like 6-8 people per team and make people spawn on different airfields. Modern jets werent meant to fight like in ace combat where there are bandits in every which direction you look.
New and improved game modes will flow and fluidity would make the game so much fucking better
Nice vid mate i like it
Defyn made a series in a surprising way
remember when gaijin added tghe magic 2 AND PL-8 on the dev back when the Mirage F-1 came out.....yea to this day the J-7E and J-8B still havent gotten them.... (the J-7E was literally developed cuz the missile was a bit too heavy for the other J-7 variants)
The J-7E is still missing it's HMD.
Ok, I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but instinctively laugh when you said the next video is the Tornado.
yeah. Gayjin ruined it i so many ways
what does notching missile mean?
I think the F-100-PW-200 has a 7 stsge afterburner. It shouldn't just be on/off and it certainly isn't called WEP
war thunder's game engine isn't able to model multiple stages of WEP; for example, even on things like the P-51H, ~92% power is "military," 100% is "dry WEP," and WEP is just WEP with water injection.
@@fexilsehn6445 sure it is, the multiple stages just isnt handled by the GUI.
Most jets i have are implemented with 2 stage afterburners,
Its very finicky to engage stage 1, you need to be at 100% engibe power and throttle up with the scroll wheel one single tick.
@@fexilsehn6445 they have modelled different A/B stages on the F-14
@@AttiliusRex that's not them implementing different stages of afterburner, that's just afterburner being modeled as 110% throttle so you can scroll to intermediate values
@@fexilsehn6445 Then what is 95% on the P51H? I don't think there should be an intermediate.
lol i love the video titles
Both MiG 29 and f16 both feel like bricks. I’m convinced the flight model isn’t finished.
they probably arent, gaijin also nerfed the crap out of the f16's engine too
I was clubing some f16s westerday with my MIG 23 MLA, R24R are very good rn
With that flight performance, why would I even bother to grind that jet having the F-14 and the F-5E
There isn't a point at the moment.
Day 6 of wanting you to play the Spitfire Mk 24 pretty please hopefully my master debate can convince you
Notice the Elks, posing as reindeer? 🙄 someone doesn't know squat bout Christmas. Lol
It would be nice to see how the j35 xs flies
Swedish main here, It's basically an upgraded J35D. You get 2 extra Rb24Js and flares but you lose a gun. From my experience it's more responsive than the J35D but doesn't help too much since you are still at 10.7.
They made a dcs f16 with 9g pulls only, and made a warthunder”balanced” mig29 that pulls 12g at 1300kph and the Stalinium airframe still intact
Poor murika fan boi, u can go for f-14 its can pull 12g or even more.
Air RB maps way to small for these new planes & weapons
i do wanna ask why you put ADV when it isnt the F16A-ADV its the F16A-ADF for the national guard its the Air Defence Fighter hence why it was given sparrows due to there requirement
?
Just a typo
@@DEFYN ah is all good just asking good video though love the content!
@DEFYN should top tier (6 or 7 to 8) be restricted to 5v5 Or similar?
Would be happy to see a video on the question just explaining your thoughts, how to make toptier less noobfriendly.
the problem with that is that people will go bankrupt, because, for example, the mig21 smt costs 14k to repair spaded, and you make like 6-7k per kill
@@ofcefcipu8954 yes but with a more fair chance to suceed if you fly well, proficient pilots will no longer suffer a loss even tho they scored an ace.
I have lost top tier matches with 6 kills and me being defeated in a 3v1 (or more) meaning my entire team got 1 kill.
Should it have been a 5v5, I would have been left in (yes still very difficult, but less so) 4v1 if my whole team dies with 1 kill scored between them.
But you are probably right though, the SL rewards at toptier are pretty lackluster.
@@turbov7611 i do think that its a good idea, its just that gaijin would have to do a lot of other things to make it work, which they simply wont
@@ofcefcipu8954 you may be right, but gaijin also said AA mssiles and supersonic jets would never make it into WT, but after alot of work they did.
But it's questionablr if its prifitable to improve toptier, since they probably make the most money of dimwitted level 4 creditcard players buying jets they cant fly whether it be 5v5 or 12v12
@@turbov7611 only because their businnes model changed to "squeeze every single cent out of this game", and jets turned out to be VERY profitable
For me this thing is like playing a buffed a5c
Winter quest operation timed out :)
Please cover the Tornado GR.1 (Brit one specifically) as no one else seems to be covering it only the German and Italian one for some reason🤔
Well they’re all the same, and completely useless. According to my test flights Gaijin probably haven’t even modeled any increase in maneuverbility with the wings fully retracted vs fully extended. No matter the speed it’s going to get shafted by even an early phantom with full bomb load or a buccaneer in maneuverbility. (I know it isn’t a turn fighter but it seriously cannot be that bad.) the only thing it has going for it is that it’s bloody fast, it just seriously won’t lose speed in full burner, and the speed you lose you’ll get back in no time
@@onelyone6976 here's the thing. The German one has superior engines, but the British one (I can't talk about how the German one performs really but the X-ray shows its got a pair of far better engines) underperforms horribly. The engines are the garbage ones, the flaps and slats aren't correct, the top speed is incorrect, basically Gaijin have gimped it. I can't speak for the German one particularly but I can't imagine it's much better. They're not even fast enough that's the problem, I struggle to reach mach 1 with tanks and bombs meanwhile some MiG-29 or F-16 is outrunning me or closing in on my 200kph faster than me. It's such a worthless vehicle.
@@firestarteronyoutube5542 okay did not know the German one has better engines, I test flew the german one because that's the tornado I have access to. I am myself a British main when playing but haven't played for up to half a year partly my craptop barely runs the game and partly because I don't even have enough space on the SSD
Funny, cuz Ive seen one person cover Italian, and most cover a brit one. Not that There's much difference
@@gansior4744 I,m talking about live server though. The Brit one was the only one available on the Dev Server hence the coverage but there appears to be little to no coverage post launch
I think a big issue is that a plane built around BVR is stuck in a game that *can't* allow BVR because of compression. If you start the match from 80km away, with missiles designed to fight at that range, the fuck is a 10.7 even going to do?
15.40 "....and if there is no teammates to help you...." and you see in the kill feed that EJ killing the friendly F-14 just at the moment you said it! Highlight moment right there!
Gaijin logic
This plane is known for its super high maneuverability and high angles of attack. Let’s make it unmanuverable
It is extremely maneuverable. Gajin is applying its written into the real life FBW control system 9G limit. Other aircraft are benefiting from superhumans in the cockpit that are capable of pulling way more than what is humanly possible. It isn't that the F-16 is nerfed or being made unmaneuverable. The accurate way to look at the scenario is to notice how overbuffed everything else is maneuverability wise relative to what they should be because of the superhuman ability to pull. For example most prop fighters shouldn't be able to pull more than 6-7Gs yet almost every one can pull 9-10Gs. This has also nerfed many American fighters and 190s in the same way that the F-16 has been handicapped as they should be better in terms of high speed handling than pretty much every other fighter out there but that isn't represented in game for the same reason.
@@rainsilent if other planes in game can pull insanely well, then a fighter like the F-16 should be made to pull even more to compensate. The F-16 after all was built to be very maneuverable
@@philippeszwarcbart6507 Again you can't pull hard because of the G-limiter which shouldn't even be in the game if you ask me
I personally will still play the A variant ngl. I just feel like using sparrows is gonna get me killed even faster sometimes so I would prefer using 9l a more fire and forget missile.
Have fun with the Stock 9J’s lol
@@ICECAPPEDSKY F-14 cries in 9D.
They're great actually in a close dogfight but caged seeker is infinite yuck.
Beautiful plane nonetheless.
In one of my early games in the plan I got reversed by an f104, it was bad energy management on my part but I didn't realise how hard it compressed.
Its because of the f16s 9G limiter irl.
@@raphaelsantiago9387 If they add the irl g limiter for the f16, they should definitely add it to every planes
@@OzzyTheWild i would honestly break my wings than use this limiter
@@anttila674 yeah fr. We all know that it wouldn’t break them a lot too. I understand that my wings will break if I do a hard turn, but please let me do the hard turn 🤣
@@OzzyTheWild yeah its dumb af why only the f16 got it
All the planes can pull much higher g's than their airframe could handle irl (14g for f5, 12g for f14 f. e.) but the f16 is the only plane with realistic g limiter for some weird reason xD
May I ask why you are censoring your Ingame Name?
12:40
I was on your team in that match 🎉
This plane should have the best flight performance in the game. MiG-29 can insta-turn harder and one-circle, but F-16 should win rate-fight, and still insta-turn really hard.
Flight model is broken is what this means
Do you think the F-4F should receive its AIM-9Ls?
it would go up in br and thats not worth it, unless gaijin is felling kind but i doubt it
Its very good
It compress to much when it shouldn't, it doesn't take much common sense to realise this, and there is literally cockpit and HUD videos out there where the f16 is doing 450 knots and it still Turning really fucking good. I hope to god the improve its maneuverability at higher speeds as the way its performing at the moment is completely and utter bullshit.
fly by wire. It cannot pull past 9 Gs.
@televisio86 that's irl, in war thunder u can pull 11 to 12 sustained, so think of it as 12 being 9 in irl, and 9 to 10 g's being 7.5, just think about it like that for a sec
@@televisio8652 lmao its war thunder im pulling 12g in a phantom 4e with low fuel
Why do people call it compressed FFS. It's not compressing at all, simply limited by FBW. Also 450 kts is bellow mach 1 and around 850kph to be exact which in game turn performance is great. IRL 400-430 kts is where it turns best and can achieve its highest STR.
@@Xrdyls Phantom doesn't have FBW with a hard coded 9G limit that the pilot can't bypass. It has a superhuman at the controls that is capable of pulling more than a human can. Virtually every fighter in the game is benefiting from that to various degrees. Funnily enough a number of American props and the 190s also suffer from a similar problem brought about by the superhuman pilots.
Does it do this irl or in DCS? I guess this is the earliest version though. Cause i know that the F-16 is a weapon in DCS.
Really confused why this is the only jet in the entire game with a realistic G limiter.
Nicee