Is "Decree and Declare" Biblical? The DANGEROUS Movement Christians Don’t Realize They Joined!
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- apologeticsguy.com In this episode of the Apologetics Guy Show, Dr. Mikel Del Rosario of the Moody Bible Institute talks with Holly Pivec and Dr. Doug Gievett about what EVERY Christian should know about the New Apostolic Reformation and related practices which can distract Christians from pursuing God and raise suspicions about the reasonability of the Christian faith in the public square. Many Christians wonder: Is God sending new prophets with new revelations? Did Jesus do miracles for us to copy him? Does the Bible teach Christians to "Decree and Declare" things in prayer? Learn about the DANGEROUS new movement that many Christians don’t realize they've joined-a counterfeit kingdom with false prophets and wannabe miracle workers.
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🤔 Question of the day: Have you ever heard someone "decree and declare" something during prayer? Let me know in the comments. ⬇ ⬇ ⬇
I actually seen south African pastors and ministers use this decree and declare in there prayers during my visit twice their I notice. Ah then its hit home hard. I started noticed in states as well, someone sent me a link of prophet which I don't want to mention his name. He is from states, black preacher calling himself prophet, and running prophet school, I follow his videos and my heart was so scared and concerns, as he seems taking all God praise, because he only focused on, I,me,my and until someone come to him and ask for prayer etc ah I follow less and less people now, we must read Bible and follow it fullest. It's absolutely great sharing. Awareness is very important.
Prophecies about president Trump, reminds me as their was prophecy about Paul death but his Disciples couldn't understand that.
Acts 21:10-11
At the end of Paul's third missionary journey, he is greeted by a prophet named Agabus, who traveled from Jerusalem to Caesarea to inform Paul of a prophecy:
10 After we had been there a number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 Coming over to us, he took Paul’s belt, tied his own hands and feet with it and said, “The Holy Spirit says, ‘In this way the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem will bind the owner of this belt and will hand him over to the Gentiles.’” (Acts 21:10-11, NIV)
Upon hearing this, Paul's friends implore him not to return to Jerusalem. But, Paul replied that he was willing and ready to be arrested and to die for the Lord. He returns to Jerusalem and is later arrested, put on trial and then sent to Rome as a prisoner.
Exactly we can pray for healing but we can't demand healing, ah been this to many times, when people said you need to do more prayer and have more faith,to ger your healing. God's know my heart, I'm survive from two different cancers, yet I still need healing in my body which is a temporary tent in this earth. My main focus is my place above. If it's in God's will I will have what He have for me. I can't force God but I do have people who want me to force God.
If you go to some Facebook pages with hundreds of thousands of subscribers, you'll see many of them. Like prophesying to tens of thousands of people that that they will be healed or given a lot of money...
Yes I've heard these kind of "prayers." They were never called "declare and decree," however the concept is a 1 to 1 match.
Ever since I was little something seemed off about that sort of prayer. Growing older I realized that every miracle is God's decision to make. If he is the master of the house the survent doesn't rule their master, just as a child doesn't control the parent.
About a year ago I realized in my prayer life I was doing something similar (though not entirely the same).
I'd Say, "Lord send your spirit to be with said person." But it occurred to me one day that through that prayer I neglected to treat the Holy Spirit as God. I now pray
differently.
"Lord if it be your will please be with said person to comfort them."
I am half-way through Counterfeit Kingdom by both Holly and Doug…such an eye opening adventure…I highly recommend this book to anyone who really wants to know what the NAR is about and it’s dangers.
Glad you are finding the book helpful. Thanks for watching!
Yes!!! People don’t realize that moral miracles are actually greater than these mere “magic trick” style “miracles” - that a nasty sinner can be saved by grace and start exhibiting a changed life!!!
I loved this. Doug's reminding us about the profundity of actual, lasting change that demonstrates the power of God in someone's life. Let's never downplay the enablement Christians receive from the Holy Spirit to manifest love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness and self control. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts on the episode, Tracy.
Just to say yt brought me here because I have been looking into this topic on other channels. I have to give up one church due to NAR & not seeing that its teachings are wrong, plus another gathering affected by NAR & some people are doing this type of decree & declaring which I am not happy with as it bypasses what God's will is.
Another very important thing to realise is that you can't teach people to have these gifts. It is the Holy Spirit, God giving these gifts to people & they can't be taught.
True. We need to be on guard as it’s easy for these teachings to slip in to our Christian communities. Glad you found this video!
A "movement"? A "new revelation"? "Apostolic reformation"? Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever."
'Nuff said.
Thanks for watching and letting me know you saw this!
Great interview Mikel! I wasn't aware of this.
Thanks, Rob. Glad you got to see this. Thanks for dropping a comment and letting me know you were here!
Oh yes, it’s the only way my parents pray. I always think, they aren’t speaking to God, it’s not prayer! They’ve been in it 20 years and won’t listen to any criticism about it. It’s so difficult to go spend time with them
Sorry to hear this. It’s encouraging to hear Holly and Doug’s stories about those who’ve discovered the deception and abandoned these aberrant practices. Don’t give up praying for them! “Lord, have mercy.” 🙏
It makes me angry. I grew up in Bethell, and I had to literally re learn my whole walk with God. I always thought everything they did was just normal... Thank you Jesus I was brought out of it, but unfortunately my parents are still deeply involved in Bethel. Also I just heard that my mom and step-dad are going into local churches with young leadership, seeking to convert them by "bringing experience and wisdom"!!! I feel like I need to go and warn these new churches about the danger of people from Bethel🤦♂️ God help me!
Thankful that you have broken free from it. May God have mercy on your parents and help the young pastors to stand firm.
Thanks Mikel, well thought out and presented. Reading through Revelation and this is helpful filtering influences.
I appreciate you watching and letting me know. Glad you got to see this!
Thanks so much Dr Mike, so blessed by your content. Loved the discussion. God bless.
You’re welcome! Glad you found this episode helpful. Please consider sharing it with someone today!
Decreeing and declaring? The first time I heard someone use those words in a prayer... I was looking for lightning to strike (so to speak). There is such pride in the voices of those who declare and decree, often their tone of voice changes. There is a possible danger in calling someone a prayer warrior, because it automatically puts every other believers prayer on a lower level, because there's no special formula or buzz words. The prayers of the righteous availeth MUCH. None of man"s new formulas are needed. Rghteous people are those who walk in the humility of Christ. much. I believe in speaking what God has said about me, because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God hearing myself speak for God has spoken in the word about his children is POWERFUL. But to speak things can I want to happen, is completely erroneous. I believe the most powerful prayer comes from the lips of a child, who simply brings that childlike faith and lays their request before the Father. I remember praying those prayers as a little girl... and God moved mountains for me. The Lord's prayer taught me everything I needed to know about prayer, and David too, gives us instruction on prayer. Respectfully.
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I like how the Lord’s Prayer reminds us of our utter dependence on God. Quite the opposite of demanding our own way through unbiblical declarations. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts here.
On point topic. I heard this type of prayer minimally as a child on famous Christian tv stations. Now- it’s all over the place. Such a great reminder to be careful of what we read, hear and watch. 🌻
Thanks for watching and sharing your feedback here. We need to educate our children so they are aware of these influences when they encounter bits and pieces in a variety of church settings.
You're absolutely right and as far as Scripture goes, what you've said reminds me of Matthew 7:15, where we're warned by Jesus Himself to beware of false prophets who come in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they're ravening wolves.
Also, when you mentioned that this sort of junk is all over the world, I was reminded of the Truth that as the return of our Lord Himself and the end of history draws nearer, we'll be seeing more and more of this trend. In fact, in 2 Timothy 3:13, we're warned by the apostle Paul that evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
@@mannbradmusic From the earliest days of the church, it seems believers have always been warned to be on guard against false teachers who may rise up and begin to teach things that Jesus and the apostles never taught, leading people astray. May we heed Jude's command to contend for the faith!
Yes indeed!
I see this SO MUCH more lately….. maybe I am just more aware. NAR has been on my radar for quite some time…. Keep on warning the true church! Thanks 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
You're welcome, Stacy! Thanks for watching and sharing your experience here.
I appreciated how your guest explained that this IS an apologetics issue because it’s bringing bad testimony to others.
Also - I must admit I’m a little star struck that you’re friends with these authors - have not read the book yet but heard SO many good things about it and am so glad this is being talked about!!
It certainly IS an apologetics issue! Yeah, in the late 90s, Holly and I were just a couple of college friends going to the library along with my wife. I had a part time job working for Doug and other profs in the Philosophy department at Talbot. Cool to see how God directs our lives and leads us all into different ministries!
NAR practices are very much like what i used to do in psychic development groups!!!!
So interesting! Thanks for watching and sharing this.
Yess. My charismatic friends once tried to heal me by laying on hands and praying and I noticed that each one that prayed made a point to say "I agree with everything that's being said here" as in 'if you agree.. in my name ..it will be done'. I wasn't healed, but I felt bad for them. When we get Scripture wrong it hurts us
Wow, thanks for sharing that. I agree. While my dad was dying from cancer, some people prayed for him in a way that made him uncomfortable and one of the last things he worked hard to whisper that’s really stuck with me was “Prayer is not shouting at God.”
I had a similar experience.
I wasn't healed. I was then told I just didn't have enough faith.
I stand firm on that God is NOT a Genie in a bottle.
I find that attitude offensive.
@@foechicken8023 I agree. So sorry that happened to you. It's insensitive and unbiblical.
Psalms 2:7
The Lord is the one making a decree in this important Messianic Psalm.
I was expecting somebody will quote the didactic or direct teaching of the Bible about healings and miracles which Apostle leaqrly taught to rebuke the Corinthians, of which the present New Apostolic is like.
1 Cor. 12:30
Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.
Here Apostle Paul by posing this question in his diatribe clearly teaching that NOT ALL have these gifts of the Spirit. So I believe there is no debate as to the biblical basis of rejecting the claims and teachings of that movement.
Yes, not all can heal or speak in tongues. Any movement that makes these the litmus test of salvation sets people up for disappointment with their own spiritual life. This may lead to a rejection of God or giving in to the temptation to falsify gifts of the Spirit. Avoid the false beliefs of NAR!
Thank you for posting this very needful presentation and as I was listening to what you had to say, one particular passage that came to me was Isaiah 46:9-10, where our Lord Himself makes it clear that He is who He is and there is none like Him, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, His counsel will stand and He will do all that He pleases.
Also, when I think of the way so many are currently falling for such terrible theology, there are a couple of passages that often come to me:
1. In 2 Timothy 4:3-4, we're warned by the apostle Paul that the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts they will raise up for themselves teachers, having itching ears and they will turn their ears away from the Truth and will turn to fables.
2. In the first two verses of 2 Peter 2, the apostle Peter declares that false prophets rose up among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them and bringing swift destruction on themselves and many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the Way of Truth will be blasphemed.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts on this!
“Pretty different from historic Christianity” - lol already off the bat we should get warning signs, shouldn’t we? 🤔
Totally. Glad you got to see this episode! I really appreciate your support and I'm glad you're a part of our Christian UA-cam community!
They are proud to be different from the historic Christian churches, as they call this religious. I spent a lot of time in WofF and NAR churches, and their preoccupation is with getting new revelations and getting all the emotionalism from the worship music. There's far less emphasis on sound, biblical doctrine or historical Christianity.
The Saints have a question ask the Holy Spirit and study the Bible. My sheep will know my voice. He is alive not died . Still talking to us like He did the Bible. Ask the Holy Spirit first b4 you ask man.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts here.
What books do you recommend for refuting atheism and non Christian religions 😊
The book by William Lane Craig is good for engaging with atheists. ua-cam.com/video/xygrM56TcA8/v-deo.html
@@apologeticsguy thanks
@@alanlaxton2084 You're welcome!
I am likely to be bitty in my comments, I am seriously ancient and so I need to write what I am thinking at the time or I will forget it! So right now I remember "Joel's Army" was the rage at least in the UK in the late 70s and early 80s. So the concept of an army is as old as the Word of God itself. Yes, I know whaat Joel's Army is now, I didn't then!
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts here. Yes, the Joel's Army movement from the 1940s is another example of a counterfeit kingdom of wananbe prophets and miracle workers.
Unfortunately, yes. Often the declarations are for new jobs, promotions, wealth, health "....when I do this, this will happen". Declaring and decreeing is thought of as the special key to powerful prayers. Declaring and decreeing is not prayer at all. It is not speaking in humility to the Father (just the opposite!), it is not petitioning Him, giving Him reverential worship, or thanks. Jesus taught us how to pray. In His prayers to the Father He declared and decreed... not one thing.
The elements in the Lord's Prayer in no way forbids us to pour out our Heart Cries, born out of our pain or disappointment, or fear. We come to Him in total humility, reverence, to lay at His Feet our total dependency upon Him, our faith is rewarded, not our words. If man were given the authority to declare and decree things in the natural or the spiritual, we would never come to the place of total dependency. If our words become a supernatural, creative force through declaring and decreeing, manifesting what we have decreed and declared...?
HE ALONE IS THE LORD, that is His Name, He will not give His Glory to another, or His Praise to idols...
The power to declare and decree is His alone.
Indeed. Prayer declarations are nowhere in Scripture. Rather than confessing an utter depended on God, they can be seen as a way to manipulate God and compel him to act. This sets Christians up for disappointment with God or a crisis of faith when their declarations do not come true. Thanks for watching and sharing your reaction here.
@@apologeticsguy ...just another not-so-subtle example how psychobabble and the new age, have slipped into the church. Positive confession, law of attraction, and others that appeal to pride and mans desire to have some control in their destiny and manifestation of their blessings. Every believer has to be a watchman in their own spiritual growth and understanding of Bible doctrine. We can't just absorb the message.
Many scriptures are applied in complete error to promote some "new revelation" that has been overlooked, or has been revealed through some unique divine favor.
@@kylady124 Yes, and sometimes new scriptures are even created to advance aberrant theology. Just taught a lesson on the Passion Translation which is endorsed by leaders of the NAR movement.
Only those in authority could decree so that's my reason for not decreeing in prayer.
Thanks for watching!
No. No it is not Biblical. Too many denominations have grown accustomed to keeping traditions and cultures going in Churches. Cultures and traditions that are not based in scripture but in ignorance.
Very true. Thanks for watching!
I have a miracle wish for any gods out there listening -- put some actual reality in the good books of all religions--apparently there’s no room for actual facts in any Bible --it’s all taken up with supernatural mumbo jumbo , superstition, fear,and non-thinking blind obedience.. you can apologetic anything when you talk in fantasy world jargon…
Thanks for watching, Joesph. What got you interested in this episode? What do you mean by reality?