We are so blessed to live in a time where we have 24/7 access to teachers who have dedicated their entire lives to the study of God’s word. All from a device that fits in my pocket. The internet can lead you to destruction or it can bring you closer to God.
It is written that the 144 thousand will be only those of the last generation who will remain alive until the return of the Lord Jesus, because they being sons of light will put in darkness the sons of darkness who for now are wiser than the sons of light (Luke 16:8). &So is clearly that Bible study is our only chance to remain alive until the return of the Lord, because only by being more enlightened than the AI robots will we be useful to God in the final armageddon that will end the armageddon started in heaven against the Sanctuary. We can be surely that Satan's army will use artificial intelligence AI (which they see as being millions of times smarter than all intelligent humans). It must be clear to us that AI servants will use the photo-theology of the Bible in more and more dimensions to fight against God’s army. Therefore it must be clear to us that we will have no chance to remain alive among the 144 thousand if we do not begin to practice the photo-theology of the Bible in always more dimensions studying under the guidance of the Holy Ghost who remembering everything we read and meditating God’s word He will guide us in putting all the verses in perfect order. It is clear that the AI super-intelligence will use the same phototheology of the Bible but for the purpose of ecumenism trying to twist the verses putting them in that perfect order which AI will see as necessary for the ecumenical union of all religions. And so is clear that we will not have any chance to overcome against the sons of darkness who will use the AI super-intelligence when we will not be able to see all what will be twisted by AI and to see even the mis-ordering of verses desired by the ecumenical philosopher AI. Armageddon has divided the heaven into two groups of fighters and therefore armageddon will be ended between two groups of fighters seen in the verses as: Romans 3:4 By no means! On the contrary, let God be FOUND true and ALL MEN be found LIARS, as it is written: "That you may be FOUND righteous in your words and come out victorious when you are judged. (in Rev 14:7). Revelation 14:7 He was saying with a loud voice: "Fear God and give Him glory, for the HOUR of His judgment has come, and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the fountains of waters!" Unfortunately only few Christians can see the two groups of fighters in these two verses because only few study the Sanctuary to understand Hebrews chapter 3 and chapter 4 to be seen as saints in Colos 1:26 receiving God’s MYSTERY called CHRIST(Colos 2:2).
You don't understand that the 144,000 witnesses will be in the early part of the Tribulation period after the rapture. They all will be young Jewish men and all virgins These witnesses will all be winning souls for Christ but unfortunately they will all be murdered before the midpoint of the tribulation.
Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Romans 5:5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. Romans 8:14 For as many as are "led by the Spirit of God", these are sons of God.
@Gwen Be careful what u wish for my friend, especially if ur not in the body of christ, the 1st church Jesus Christ started in the 1st century, & gave his authority to his apostles to pass on his teachings, thats why Jesus said if they do not hear u, they do not hear me, for many will come to me on that day saying Lord Lord, no1 wants to be those Christians. So i pray ur in a apostolic church, that has apostolic succession.
@thegoodguise yes but your salvation isn't dependent on works. What James is referring to is the fact that true faith will be seen through works. Only way for someone to walk with the Lord is to have the spirit, thus signifying putting faith in Christ. Through that obedience can be practiced but not until.
The 144,000 is from the twelve tribe of Israel, while the other group, the great multitude is from every nations, tounges. The 144.000 is the first fruit, while the others the second which is unnumbered. This is not a symbolic number. The eight people that were saved in Noah's ark; the 12 disciples, the 120 apostles at Pentecost, and many others could mention, all of which is literal numbers👍.
After 2022 years, shouldn't we know decisively what it means by now? Why do we have to pray for an answer? God never says anywhere in His Word that the Bible is a mystery that we have to try to solve over 2022 years. It was written and given to us to understand on day 1...yet 2022 years later we've turned it into a mess of confusion.
I completely agree & Our Abba Father Creator clearly uses numbers and patterns in His Divine Intelligent ways of communicating to humans, to reveal hidden coded messages, to verify other verses of scripture, pattern is prophecy and each verse has multiple layers of dimensional meanings. I only recently have been shown by the Ruah Spirit of Truth the significance of 144,000 in the human genome....only a "pureblood" who hasnt had their DNA/RNA altered or tampered with would be considered like Noah was 'perfect in his generations" And not a hybrid transhuman experimental test subject ....genetically modified organism . Our Creator states the life is in the blood. He even used the numbers of the Hebrew alephbet in the 4 protein molecules that make the bridge of our double helix DNA strands. The sacred ancient name of Hashem....YHWH....Coorelates the numbers 10-5-6-5. The author and creator of our lives signed His name into every strand of our very DNA, THe building blocks that make you who you are! We serve an AWESOME GOD,,, who loves us very much. Each of us is precious and unique to our Maker, never let anyone change that! Godspeed Saints
Thank You so much. AAron said it early on, " How can the judge of all the world not do right?" How can we doubt when its said so well in John 3:16? Revelations is scary, but when understood, Is reaffirming of Jesus Promise. A number is not the determining factor, your commitment to Jesus is. He said " I am the way."
"We work our salvation" .... thats not biblical. We are not saved by works but by grace. Only Mormons believe that they need to work out their salvation. We already have salvation through Jesus.
@@ejchakaodza only saved people can work out their salvation, logically speaking. It's not about working out in the sense of maintaining it, but rather to put your salvation to good use for the Lord.
Everyone's view on this is going to depend on their eschatological position. Ultimately, it is not necessary for us all to understand these things and agree.
Scripture says exactly who they are. It shouldn’t up for debate based on eschatological positions. They are the Jewish remnant Paul talks about in romans 11. Isaiah 10:20-on mentions them too. Rev 14 calls them virgins and first fruits. This is a direct reference to Jeremiah 31, hosea 9, and psalm 68. They are the preserved Jewish remnant that fled to the wilderness. Numbers are not figurative unless they are specifically applied to a prophetic mathematical formula. Math is gods signature.
@@malakotfoster2206 when it refers to a timeline there are two formulas in scripture sometimes used: one is in Daniel 9 where 1 day is 360 days or one Hebrew year. And the other is found in 2 Peter 3, psalm 90, and revelation 20 where 1 day = 1000 years. There are prophecies where these formulas are used specifically for timelines. In fact where these formulas don’t apply God usually uses multiple ways to express the timeline. For example the final 1260 days of the tribulation is not to be confused with another formula. It’s literal days. So he also expresses it as “42 months” or “time, times, and half a time”. Same thing with the 2300 days in Daniel 8… so as not to confuse it with the formula in Daniel 9 he specifies evenings and mornings. God uses math as his signature. It was his signature on Jesus first coming and his death, burial, and resurrection in conjunction with Jewish feasts laid out in Leviticus and a timeline laid out in Daniel. He’s doing the same thing for his second coming. If you read through Old Testament there is an excessive use of numbers and numbering to the point we have a book called “numbers”. Everything means something. When a-millenielists allegorize numbers they’ve absolutely overlooked and missing out that a literal 1000 year reign of Christ on earth is a key clue to as to the timing of his return.
@Cheyenne ManyHeads there is only one King and He is the King of Kings, Jesus Christ. Where in the Bible does it say that the 144,000 are kings? Also you cannot earn your salvation, it is a gift from God, not from earned by works or by leading people to Christ. We lead people to Christ because the gospel is the truth, we don’t want to see others have to go to see others go to hell, to honor God, not to earn our way into heaven. And lastly, the 144,000 are not salvation, only Jesus Christ is salvation. The 144, 000 can’t take the punishment for our sins.
I really don’t like it when men say “What God means is....” REALLY??? God says what He means and Means what He says. His word was written so a man, any man, could understand it. It is simple as God meant it to be. Man tries to over-complicate His word.
@BAD KARMA I agree. If 144,000 sealed servants of God from Israel is what is written, then it is. If 6 days of creation is what is written, then it is. If a thousand years of the Lord's reign is what is written, then it is. If the Lord rose again after 3 days is what is written, then it is. Why would the Lord say a specific detail if He means otherwise?
That’s not necessarily correct. You have to differentiate when you’re looking at a historical record in the Bible, like the creation or the rise of Jesus after death, and when looking at something like a prophecy or a vision of the future. If everything the Bible says was literal, Jesus would have been a powerful military leader who took over the world, but instead he was a servant who died for us. Revelation is full of symbolism and things that aren’t meant to be taken literal, it even says it multiple times and explains multiple symbols.
Michael Johnson it wasn’t and can ever be directed at The Revelation of St. John of Patmos. Same as the book of Daniel when he interpreted dreams. But mankind of this day and age, especially certain Churches, have an “interpretation” of what they think, just about any part of scripture, “really” means. I take the historical and the direct words of God without any hidden, “interpretative” meanings. I take it all at face value. There can be no ambiguities in what God says. Perhaps you don’t understand my meaning ?
Samael Levithan Yes Jesus used metaphors so as to make his teachings into stories that could be told from father to son and so on. Not many could read in those days so the way lore was taught was as a story that was easier to remember for common peoples...
I'm so sick of sining but I really struggle after a few weeks of trying my best. I'm completely fed up with falling and at same time being completely alone doesn't make any easier
I'm right there with you brother. What I do know is giving up on Christ isn't really possible once we know he exists. Keep your head up, lean into your Bible, and just know that God is God. Nothing is to big for him, nothing surprises him, he knew what would happen before it happened, and still sent his son knowing these things. Hold tight to his words, and know there nothing that can separate you from the father's love.
Your relying on your strength to resist. Daily as the lord to help you and deliver you from whatever your struggling with. Never give up. It’s not about you being perfect. It’s about not giving up. Read. Read read your word. That’s how you fill up on his spirit.
Take your mind off of self and renew your mind in the promises you have in Christ!! He wants you to be able to come forward to the throne of grace and to BELIEVE that you are forgiven!! We are to renew our minds and that brings us the peace that surpasses all understanding and there we look to Christ as the Anchor of our soul to bring us into fellowship with Him. Your flesh was already judged, you had to die to self, and you were raised to new life with Christ in you, the hope of glory!! Galatians 2:19-21. You are a new creature once you have believed the gospel of salvation by grace through faith! The Christian life is lived by taking eyes off of self and sin and focusing by FAITH on what Jesus says is true! God bless you Rodolfo! You cannot walk this life by self effort, you say Jesus take the reins and look to Him!!
Make sure you are born again and baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Also get deliverance. Let people lay hands on you and cast off those demons. Struggling is normal but the Father will make sure we hear fruit if we're truly born again
I TOTALLY!!! agree with you 100%!!! We don't know. Only God, knows exactly what his plans are for mankind and all things living and not living. People like to say that they Know that they are going to heaven after they die, in all honestly they don't, they may say it to make themselves feel better about an unfull-filled life here on Earth now, but they Don't know. None of us knew that we were coming here to earth or were gonna be born, likewise there is No way possible to Know what will positively happen when we cease to have breath in our bodies after living here on Earth. Only God Jehovah knows. If any of us did know, we would be like God, and NONE!! of us are like God ,he is the "One and the Only".😐
Anything God writes down he actually wants us to study carefully and pray so we can know. God’s spirit lives in believers. If he doesn’t want us to know he won’t have it written down. So I respectfully disagree with you. The correct answer is: if God had it written, I’m going to find out!
You a dumb ass. You doing the same thing everyone else does. Listen to another dumb ass! Revelation 7:3-8 [3]Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. [4]And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5]Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6]Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. [7]Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8]Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. 12,000 times 12 Tribes of Israel equals the Elect who is Sealed. Your 144,000 who are Israelites. Not any other Nations. But Israelites. So called Negroes Hispanics and Native Indians according to Scriptures and History and Prophecy. Sit down and learn.
Lazlo Lorintz Im perplexed that you consider yourself “righteous” when just a few messages up you go on ranting calling people “retards” and cursing people.
New-ish to Christ 🙏 So grateful for the work you all do on this channel! Sub-ed a few days ago, thrilled to have my Bible questions answered. May God continue to bless you guys
Hello my brother in Christ , just seeing how your doing , how you are holding up , good I hope .... I pray that you are well and still focusing on Jesus Christ and leading your children to Jesus as well... Be blessed my friends In Jesus' mighty name ... Amen🙏🙏🙏🙏
Old-ish to(in) Christ. This is the first time I've heard this guy-It will be my last. Such non-sense. The 144,000 are not symbolic, they are real - servants of Christ. My suggestion is to move on.
I don't brag in ego I humble this knowledge for given to me even before birth my mom was told of me in her womb virgin marry told her she was with child a girl and is special.. I have been researching in spirit behind scenes for 5 years now but my whole life been taking notes ,, I have created a board concept monopoly for the soul educational and it was accepted today with Patten company , I was welcomed aboard.. God is good :)144
I have a message about the Sabbath begun 457 bc I was born on Saturday day before Easter 451977 on 910 and 911 2020 is Gods granted Sabbath and 1011 November is last chance for man kind to get law spirit aligned and repent a knowledge the Sabbath
If you read the 144,000 are also to be kings with Jesus. They are anointed..people like the apostles..and first century christians..they are also called the little flock..compared to the great crowd..in Rev 14..they are a special chosen select to be co_ rulets.. They are not to multitude..and it is not symbolic..the great crowd is unnumbered..but 144,000 is numbered.
Rev 7:9 9After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” There will be people from all nations.
Byron Jackson most commentaries reference your reference as the Christians who died during part of the tribulation. First half 3 1/2 years. The 144,000 will be on earth during the great tribulation. Second 3 1/2 years.
Revelation 14:12 Here is [encouragement for] the steadfast endurance of the saints (God’s people), those who habitually keep God’s commandments and their faith in Jesus.
Minister Furman Thomas The instructor of that video stated that John the Baptist is a Jew but John the Baptist is not a Jew he is from the tribe of Judah a Hebrew Israelite
The 144,000 is a literal/actual number. Study Matthew 27:52:53, 1 Corinthians 15:9-20 and Revelation 14:1-5. They are the first fruits of Christ’s resurrection.
@@jgeph2.4 Very good question. But I’d have to answer it with a question. Could the 144,000 be pulled collectively (as of God choosing) any individual (meeting Rev 14 criteria) from Jesus’s resurrection back to Adam? Reminder it has always been and will always be by faith according to our father Abraham.
@@chadmiller8877 well I asked the question because if the 144,000 is a literal actual number then we can’t separate the rest of what is said about them as not being literal .. such as having not having been defiled by women in Rev14 … I don’t hold this literal position btw I was just posing a question to think about .
@@jgeph2.4 The 144,000 is a literal actual number and them not having been defiled by women is literal as well. Respectfully is not a mystery of scriptures. Is so hard to believe that a man would choose not to be defiled by women? That his body and soul would be reserved for God alone? Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Romans 11:4 “But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.”
@@chadmiller8877 what I’m saying is the symbolic representation of the number described in the video is a more likely interpretation. The book of Revelation is apocalyptic literature and is a book filled with symbols . This does not mean we don’t read it as true or literal . We read the literal symbolic meanings . The same would go for the 1000 years on Revelation 20 . If you read that as a literal 1000 years then why is it not a literal dragon bound with a literal chain in a literal abyss with a literal lid or seal over him? The vast majority of Revelation is taken from Old Testament language and needs to be interpreted likewise . Also the literal approach tries to read the Revelation in chronological order as it unfolds .. if you take a closer look there’s a series 7 cycles each ending with the Victorious Christ who redeems His people . The Revelation is a book filled with hope amidst the trials and tribulations of this world and was written for the encouragement of all believers in every age .
@LIVING SOUL CREATION Revelation 7:13-17 [13]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? [14]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. [15]Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. [16]They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. [17]For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. The ones who have suffered great tribulations of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who kept the Faith of Ha Mashyach Yahawashi, of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who kept Gods Laws Statutes and Commandments and Judgements, of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who did all as Commanded of My God, and did the Good Works according to My Heavenly Father, of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who will Die for this Word, which is Truth, until the very End who Endured, out of each Tribe, twelve thousand. Shalawam. Shabbat Shalawam. QAM YASHARAHLA!!!!!
yeah, the church will be ruptured before the 7 year tribulation ; therefore no missionary, but during the 7 year tribulation there are 2 prophets preaching and warnings; and during this tribulation there will be saved and the 144k (12k from each tribe) will be jewish saved missionaries that will be scattered to teach and preach to all nations during the 7 year tribulation, before the tribulation, Jesus will come FOR his own so the Church will be rupture, after the tribulation, Jesus Will Come WITH his own (The Church) to establish the 1K millennial kingdom
The 144,000 are God's frontrunners that will work during the 7yr tribulation period. They will be the harvest workers preparing the way for Jesus and His millenial reign. God will use each of them as He desires to bring in the second harvest.
Captain Nemo Yes they will. They are those who will fill up the sufferings of Christ. They are here now. Hidden but one day revealed. Hated for his name’s sake. On the fore front... They will lead God’s ppl into the promise land. They are a bridge for Christ to return. A sacrifice. They will break the tape. Those who proudly, boastfully and joyfully say they are one of them do not understand what this path entails. Most difficult and nothing to brag about.
AthleticAesthetics. This is what I have thought too. The laborers that set out for the reaping of the second harvest. I figure they will be spread over the whole earth as John talks about the numberless multitude of all nations, kindreds, people and tongues after the tribes were sealed (Revelation 7: 1-11). The book of Revelation is indeed a mystery. I was fascinated by it when I was 12. That was 46 years ago. John the Beloved was given this Revelation on the Isle of Patmos. He was a different type of disciple as we see in all of the books in the Bible that he wrote. God seemingly set John apart from the other disciples as the beloved. To me he seemed the most humble of all the disciples and God did give him grace. Jesus said to Peter and then it was said among "the brethren" "If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" It will be amazing to be a witness as I believe we who are in Christ will be able to see to the end of this age the things of Revelation come to pass. What a glorious and awesome God we serve!
@@lenorenail1934 fvk all religions especially JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES...thers no second harvest its all NONSENSE. Gangstalkers are JEHOVAH WITNESSES and freemasons.
Revelation 5:10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.” Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!” And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
@ArchimedesBC Yeah,.. this is the same kind of confusing theology that the Watchtower teaches. The Isrealites symbolize the gentile church, the crowd that cannot be counted symbolizes the crowd that can. You might as well say black symbolizes white!
@ArchimedesBC That's right. All scripture says is that God chose poeple from those particular tribes. I don't really see any necessity for any of them understanding which tribe they belong to. God knows those who are his. That's enough. I live in Sweden so I'm not the Southern Seminary, but I am currently having an incredibly long discussion with a Jehovah's witness and I see the same kind of arguments being used - the list of tribes is different and Dan and Ephraim are not listed, therefore symbolism. What on earth is the logic in that???? I pointed out to the JW who tried to sell that argument that there is a perfectly good reason for this. Some people point out the fact that Dan and Ephraim went further in idolotry than the other tribes and were rejected for that reason. However, while that may play into it, I think there may be another reason. We can read about the twelve tribes of Israel in Genesis 48. In that list we see that Levi and Joseph are present. Then later on when the land was to be divided between the tribes, Levi was not included due to the priestly duties that the Levites were to do. So the list was restructured, with one important thing that needed to be maintained - there had to be 12 tribes, not 11 or 13. Levi and Joseph were out, and Ephraim and Menassah were in. So if restructuring the list of tribes makes it symbolic then that would mean the list was symbolic when the land was divided. That's how much sense their argument makes! Also, since the tribes listed in Revelation 7 are under the New Covenant, we can expect and understand the reason for yet another restructuring of the list to occur. In the New Testament we are all kings and priests. There is no longer any reason to exclude the tribe of Levi. And from then on it is up to God to restucture the list as he sees fit - just as long as there are 12 tribes listed. No symbolism needed in other words.
@@michaelbechaalani2242 Tack Michael! Jag gör mitt bästa 😁 ... även om jag inte är svensk. Jag föddes i England men växte upp i Australien. Flyttade till Sverige för över fyrtio år sedan - ett land som jag älskar för där kom jag till tron! 😀👍
@@paulbrennan4163 fint att höra, det är svårt att hitta rikiga kristna här speciellt när svenska kyrken inte alls har någonting med kristendomen att göra längre.
Even though I have the utmost respect for the SBTS faculty, I have to admit that there is really a lot wrong with Dr Schreiner's interpretation. Would any normal person interpret the text this way? As the wise old saying goes: "When the plain reading of the text makes sense, seek no other sense, lest you end up with nonsense." As one Bible scholar once succinctly stated: "If you get Israel wrong, you will never get eschatology right." This applies to Dr Schreiner's views in this case. A few short comments: 1) “Meta tauta eidon” (“After these things I looked”) introduces new revelation, information, or a new vision that is distinct from the previous one. It is therefore grammatically untenable to tie the “multitude” in 7:9 to the 144,000 in vv.5-8. "Meta tauta eidon" always indicates a vision distinct from the previous one. When “meta tauta” is on its own, it is not a new vision, but a next event or happening in the vision. 2) It is said of the "multitude" in 7:14 that they did not come out of the church age, but “out of the great tribulation.” They suffered and died during the first 6 seals. The 144,000 in 7:5-8 come out of the 12 tribes of Israel, whereas the “multitude” in 7:9 is taken out “of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues…” (out of the the great tribulation!) and it is impossible to read this as descriptive of (or symbolism for) the 144,000. It also makes no sense to use a definitive number (144,000 - consisting of Jews exclusively) as symbolism to describe a multitude that is innumerable (consisting of non-Jews and Jews). Three more comments: (a) Why are the 144,000 (in Rev 14:1, 3) not called a "multitude" in these 2 verses? Because the multitude is not the 144,000. (b) Rev 14:4 clearly indicates the 144,000 were ALL male virgins and if this is not literal, then who decides what it means? It means they were all male virgins. Are you telling me the multitude in Rev 7:9 from all the nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues were all male virgins? Really? (c) Rev 14:4 also indicates the 144,000 are the "firstfruits" to God. The multitude of Rev 7:9 clearly does not fit the use of the word "firstfruits," but they fit well the idea of being the harvest. 3) Yes, the Jewish tribal records are no more, but surely God still knows exactly the constituents of each tribe, and is well able to select 12,000 from each of the 12. And as 12 X 12,000 = 144,000 is it not incontrovertible proof that this must be interpreted literally in a straightforward manner? (And we certainly know that Israel always consisted of 12 literal tribes). 4) There are many possibilities to consider the absence of the tribe of Dan (beginning in Gen 49:16-17, Judg 18:27-30, 1 Kgs 12:28-30 - and even their later reinstatement in Ezek 43 and 48), but even though God does not reveal all the reasons for excluding Dan at this point, it certainly does not justify disemboweling the plain and literal interpretation of the text. Really, there are far better and easier ways to interpret these texts, without such elaborate and gymnastic leaps that jolt my conscience every time I hear them. Sorry Dr Schreiner, but I think you need to seriously reconsider your interpretation and beliefs in this area. The way Amils treat the text requires the name of Revelation to be changed to the Obscuration.
I believe you totally. I would like to ask if the 144,000 are left behind when the church is raptured. I mean their are 10's of millions of Christians, so we all can't be left when the trib starts, only the 144,000. Thanks. I am new to this.
@@frankcrawford416 The 144,000 are not Christians. They are Jews. They practice the Law of Moses AND the grace of Christ. They are not "saved" as we use the word before the rapture...they are justified through their faith and works during the tribulation.
@@frankcrawford416 Please dismiss the "left behind" nonsense from your mind. We shall be here for the tribulation. Jesus said in Matthew 24, 22-24, And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. However, we shall be caught up with the Lord during the wrath.
I disagree. This belief would leave out God redeeming Israel in the Tribulation. Some of his arguments are paper thin. God knows their heritage. The Church is symbolized by the 24 Elders.
Leslie Harris do you really think that any Jew today has even a remotely pure bloodline from a single tribe? So it is not really a matter of “God knowing which one they belong to.”
2 Cor. 5:15 Life Each tribe doesnt have a different type of blood. God knows more abt these things than we do. It’s likely an equal number of each tribe mixed one way or another. The Bible says 144,000, 1200 from each tribe. Believe God’s Word or dont. Other areas of Revelation prove that these are Jews that have been saved during the Tribulation.
Alan Muxlow Dan may be missing because of its idolatry in Judges. Here is one link that helps explain it all: www.versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/why-is-the-tribe-of-dan-missing-in-revelation-7
Daniel 10:21 “But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.” Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. Matthew 6:9-10 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. John 15:9-10 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love. John 17:26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.” Luke 10:17-20 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.” Psalms 20:5 We will rejoice in your salvation, And in the name of our God we will set up our banners! May the Lord fulfill all your petitions. Songs of Solomon 2:4 He brought me to the banqueting house, And his banner over me was love. Isaiah 59:19 So shall they fear The name of the Lord from the west, And His glory from the rising of the sun; When the enemy comes in like a flood, The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him. Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” Romans 5:5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Luke 7:47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.” Deuteronomy 6:13 You shall fear the Lord your God and serve Him, and shall take oaths in His name. Ezekiel 16:8 “When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness. Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine,” says the Lord God. Deu 10:16-20 Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer. For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe. He administers justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing. Therefore love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. You shall fear the Lord your God; you shall serve Him, and to Him you shall hold fast, and take oaths in His name.
You're teaching replacement theology, pure and simple. The difference between Israel and the Ecclecia can be likened to the difference between the Army and the Air Force. At onetime the same thing, but each specializing and having a different job to do. And yes, it still requires ground troops to take and hold land no matter how good your Air Force is. I have yet to hear one thing out of you guys that makes any sort of theological sense.
If that is Replacement Theology, then the Apostle Peter taught it as well. Peter uses terms that were used of Israel and APPLIES them to the Church now. Notice how Peter takes Hosea 2:1; 2:23; Romans 9:25 and identifies God's people as ISRAEL. 1 Peter 2:9 says "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." Replacement Theology is BETTER labeled FULFILLMENT THEOLOGY.
@@yaffayafo82 I know. It is such a weird passage. Witchcraft and the like are sinful and punishable by death and yet here God worked through one. This is why this passage is confusing to me.
@@mattwhitaker3801 Do you actually believe that God would put His servants at the beck and call of a Demonic channel? Does it not make more sense to realize the Spirit seen by Saul was actually a lying Demonic Spirit? After all, it gave itself away by it's first words "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" (1 Samuel 28:15). Bringing him up, not down from heaven. The witch also said "I see a spirit coming UP out of the ground.
@@fsbirdhouse yes but his prediction was accurate in verse 19 and came to pass in chapter 31. You see why this is so confusing of a chapter? Test of a prophet Deuteronomy 18:21-22 is whether or not the prophet words come true or not. What the being samuel said came to pass.
@Matt Whitaker Instead of seeking guidance from God Saul looked to witchcraft for answers. This is forbidden in the Bible and is of the devil. When you go to the devil for guidance then you place yourself in his control and no longer in the safety of God. The devil knew this and spoke through the witch of Endor declaring his death. The devil knew that by going to the witch of Endor he was no longer under God's protection. God did not put His servant at the beck and call of a Demonic channel, Saul placed himself there. See 1 Chronicles 10:13,14 We are saved by faith and Saul demonstrated a lack of faith when he sought guidance from a witch instead of God. Also the dead to not know anything because they are dead. The witch of Endor summoned an evil spirit not Samuel. Ecc 9.5
I would have to disagree. In Revelation 7: 4-9 After speaking about 144,000, verse 9 it clearly states that “then he saw a great crowd that no man was able to number”. Which clearly puts emphasis on the 144,000 as a number that man can count. . It is a distinct number made up of 12,000 From 12 Tribes then there is a great crowd that no man can number. So if the 144,000 was symbolic why would it be able to be counted and the other crowd not wouldn’t the 144,000 be as well a random number unable to be really counted as well there is a clear distinction here between what is countable or literal and what is not.
It is a symbolic image of the Christian church (God's Chosen/New Humanity). 12,000 x 12,000 = 144,000. (Length x Width). This is a description of the New Holy of Hollies (Also called the New Heavens & New Earth), which dimensions were a perfect cube, as long as it was wide. The New Holy of Hollies is a City and it is a People that comes down from heaven in Revelation 21-22.
The Bible is pretty clear and quite descriptive of who is 144,000 are. It is written that they are Jewish male virgins and that they are 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. Their purpose will be to preach the gospel during the great tribulation
@@Bobsbud100 I love animals but watch out for veganism my friend. Their is quite some evidence we need certain vitamins and amino accids only found in enough amounts in animal products. I do try to buy locally and grass fed, animals who have had a good life.
If that is Replacement Theology, then the Apostle Peter taught it as well. Peter uses terms that were used of Israel and APPLIES them to the Church now. Notice how Peter takes Hosea 2:1; 2:23; Romans 9:25 and identifies God's people as ISRAEL. 1 Peter 2:9 says "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." Replacement Theology is BETTER labeled FULFILLMENT THEOLOGY.
I agree with you, logically symbolic numbers were needed as specific numbers were not possible. At the end of the day all believers who live with love for their fellow humans, animals and our planet are a part of our future earth.. in glory. Thank you so much.
See much confusion in this. The Church is Israelite/Gentile, the ONE NEW MAN of Ephesians 2:11-18 passage, with the Commonwealth of Israel remaining entirely separate, and in unbelief. The 144K are literal Israelites, believers in JC, “raptured” from Mt Sion to heaven at the very conclusion of the first 3.5 years of the 7 years Tribulation, so that they do not enter into the “time of Jacobs’ troubles” or 2nd half of the Tribulation, in the same manner that the Church is caught up to the clouds at the Rapture before the entire Tribulation period begins. The problem is to pay attention to the ‘interpreters’ and rather one ought to listen to the HG instead (1 John 3:20,27 “let no man teach you”). The Church in no way has replaced Israel. Catholicism replaces Israel with herself as the ‘Church’, but you are speaking of the Church as the Body of Christ, that herself has not replaced Israel either.
@Jose Fernandez-Leon ... actually my friend - you got some things out of order there - the Sealing of my 143,999 brothers & myself will be Sealed - at the beginning of the 2nd Half of the 7 year Tribulation & Gathered ... Won't be any "rapture" either ... A "Resurrection" of the Dead - Yeah! but No "rapture" at all, and; where you said: *_"(1 John _**_3:20_**_,27 “let no man teach you”)."_* ... you got the Wrong Scripture! & only goes up to verse 24 ... Nobody from Any Church - is of the 144,000 as our King pulled us out of them Whore Houses LONG Ago! - if you Really want to Know about us - why not go where the Information is: ua-cam.com/video/NQTCx8h0G-o/v-deo.html Then - Leave a Comment! Looking Forward to hear from you! Peace~
You know the curse about taking away from or adding to the Book of Revelations. These 144,000 will be evangelizing and an angel will also be evangelizing so a lot of people will be getting saved and not taking the mark of The Beast.
I know one man .well to see he believes he,s chosen as 144000.he says he dropped dishes and called out father .in aramic ABBA or yabba .not sure just heard the story ,but know the man to say hello to .I'd love to pick his brain
@Robert Murdock; There's nothing scriptural about what you just said. They will fight with Jesus against the world. There is no preaching mentioned anywhere about them preaching to anyone. Like you said: "You know the curse about taking away from or adding to the Book of Revelations."
@@polo27 They are already chosen and resurrected. They are from the 12 tribes going backwards from when Jesus was here. They are not a future making or resurrection.
Now I need you to show me where it says that 144,000 will be evangelizing? the only thing mentioned is servants(translation may vary), but other than that there is no mentioned of the 144,000 evangelizing, now it clearly says in chapter 14:6 that an angel is the one who will be evangelizing (I am surprised you noticed that) the 144,000 are the remnant of Israel, in the book of Isaiah God says that not all of Israel is Israel, it could be symbolic but it is for sure (my opinion) the remnant of Israel (Judah)
This is awesome - the bible is the literal word of god as long as we like what it’s saying ... when it says something we don’t like, let’s make up some bizarre rationalization proving it’s just a metaphor. Otherwise, the flock won’t keep pouring their money into our pockets. I love it.
John 14:6 - “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.”I love this quote as it absolutely disproves Islam and their belief in Muhammad.
Sounds like a prison . After a billion years the meek will get board and want to move on . But the 144000 will not let them off the earth. Think of it this way . Your kids get over 18 years old but you never let them leave home
The possibilities are limitless after the millennium,,,it wont be like prison then or during the millennium, no sickness or death, also, people will be resurrected during this time,,,the great crowd live into the millennium with out experiencing death
jaytee Revelation 14:3-4 is the answer. I believe they are a prophetical figure that represents a specific identity. Only those things that are freely given to us by God are made available for us to know(1 Corinthians 2:12). These are events that are yet to take place in the future, and God is surely keeping it from our knowledge. Even the apostle Paul admitted that he didn’t know everything there is in the prophecy. He stated that “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part”(1 Corinthians 13:9). There are things in the prophecies that God is keeping from our knowledge because the time for them to be revealed has not yet come. One example is Revelation 19:12 which says “and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, *THAT NO MAN KNEW* , but he himself”. Now, who do you think is one so stupid enough to do a research to know what that written name is? But then further down in the last chapter, we read- “And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads”(Revelation 22:4). So only then if you can wait until the end when that thing is stick in your head that you will come to know the name of God.
The whole Book of Revelation is a huge, symbolic metaphor. There is no "literal" or time-bound meanings. The number, 144,000, is a symbol of perfection and universality. Christ-likeness is the Key.
This is a long answer to interpret the 144k, a simple number. I found your answer more confusing than helpful. Are there facts in the Bible that should be taken literally?
No. His references are bad and he did not read all the verses pertaining to this subject. He interjected what he wanted and left out what he wanted to fit an idea he has. Read your Bible. Don’t rely on what you hear; research it.
@@helloecko1 doesn't need to. Compare what the Word actually says to what this man says. The two are DIFFERENT. He is pure conjecture. The bible is pure WORD.
His "explanation" is nothing but, "Here's what the Bible says...but I don't like that...so let me cherry-pick parts of verses to twist it into what I wish it said." He tries to conflate the 144,000 with the "multitude"...but it's made very clear that the 144,000 are Jews while the multitude comes from "all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues." Please don't believe a word this Bible-denier says. Read it for yourself and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to the truth.
@christen is correct this man just interpreted what he thinks, did you not hear him say I believe see he never says I know, the 144000 isn't actually symbolic as the 12 disciples and 12 tribes, the 144,000 are real people that live at the second coming of Jesus, they are the kingdom and priests mentioned in Rv1, but they are not the only people who go to heaven there is also the great multitude in white
That was a very good, clear, and strong set of arguments he represented. I appreciated his concise yet understandable explanations. Very profitable to my knowledge of this chapter and that is precisely why I was searching.
Revelation 14:1-5 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne
@@scottheld4837 yes the scripture quote is appropos but he does not explain its meaning along with Rev 7 . Go to JW.org and click on Bible questions answered.
12000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. Possibly meaning a 'fullness' of or Completeness of number. Symbolic perhaps. Also the Israel of God is the new people of God Galatians 6v16
It seems to me a lot of theologians use "symbolism" as their go-to when they haven't gone in-depth enough into scripture to fathom out what or who something is. Throughout end time prophetic scripture we gain insight into who they might be. In some areas, we see the Lord with His holy ones, or saviors or elders and we seem to clump them into some unrecognizable group or the remnant. But when these groups are seen with Christ, in the coming end-time revelations throughout prophecy, then it leads us to question when Jesus returns as accepted through taught theology. Is there a climactic return with his holy army as a final return (yes), but is there a mixture of prophecy indicating Christ returns before He is seen in the clouds in Revelation 19 preparing the remnant for exile or their return? Yes, that is revealed to us as well. Did not Paul receive a visit from Christ on the road to Damascus after His ascension? Is Christ somehow prevented from previous visitations upon His earth because it destroys the narrative we have been told - Christ only returns as the 19th chapter of Revelation reveals? Will He not be revealed in clouds or the cloud of glory when the trumpet sounds and the bride is caught up to Him before that great and terrible Day of the Lord? Sometimes I think there's almost a laziness when symbolism is used in this way instead of truly searching out scripture and meditating/reflecting longer than just coming to conclusions based on an accepted ideology that fits within the parameters of accepted theology. When a highly respected man, based upon his own intellect, comes to a conclusion and it becomes ideology and passed down through the centuries, I do believe God will grant the gift of discernment to dig deeper and allow scripture to reveal the truth even if it destroys an accepted theology with us through the centuries through that gift of discernment given to some. I admit the possibility I am wrong, and the 144,000 are symbolic, but we seem to disregard some areas of scripture and miss the connections with John's Revelation or other scripture. The word is all connected and every verse fits into the revealed mystery of God, who He is, and His plan for His creation. We will only know when we know as we come to the full realization of Christ within us.
Highly respect Southern Seminary. However, this is so controversial that it's safe to say, NO ONE TRULY KNOWS. Great insight though and I love your videos. God has me on a journey of gathering perspectives from all denominations that are prevalent. Keep the videos coming. Blessings from Australia
MC,...We can truly know. It is a symbolic number. That is for 100% certain. Stop gathering perspectives from all or any denominations. The entire church is 100% apostate. You will only become more and more deceived. Read the Bible only and do not listen to anyone from any church.
@@Pepsiguy ,....Don't feel bad, very few can handle the truth, and break free of the indoctrination of the apostate church. I suggest you keep trying to though.
@@Pepsiguy ,.....Are you saying that the entire church is not apostate? Not sure what you mean about condemning over the 144,000? That number is not a literal number. All those that have become born again know that.
@@dawudkhan1940 ,....You have been deceived by the apostate church that has no actual Biblical understanding. You are just indoctrinated into all their lies and perversions of scripture. You do not understand the Bible. Repent.
0:45 - The 144,000 doesn't represent all believers, but specifically the descendants of Israel. Further down in Revelation chapter 7, it makes mention of the sea of gentiles coming into the kingdom also. In John's vision, John makes it clear that there are 2 categories of peoples.
Yes the people of God are God's people "by faith" this is how it's always been.. its by what you believe ...it's by faith ..even as Abraham believed in God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness Jesus taught "this is the work of God that you believe on Him whom the father has sent" it's always about faith ..faith is the litmus test for God's people...
@@woodap5057 yes and no Israel yes is God's people because salvation is to the Jew first but many Israelites are atheists they don't believe in God they are not God's people God's people are believers they believe in God if you don't believe in God you're not God's people
It was the remnant mentioned in Romans that's why it focuses on the genealogies. Some of the first century AD Christians were raptured also at what sounds like the time of just before the temple was fully destroyed 70 AD but some of the Christians fled to Pella also. Rev 12 the woman fleeing into the wilderness sounds like the flight to Pella.
Revelations 7:4-8 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. Revelations 14:1-4 1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. How can this be? Please recall that thousands of MALE Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish babies were killed in anticipation of the births of both ‘The Deliver of the Hebrew people’, i.e., Moses AND ‘The King of the Jews’, i.e., Jesus. Being killed as babies would mean they are virgins and are with the Lord right now! They are preparing for their great work!
What about the bit with Jesus being both lamb and lion at the same time- is he a literally both- a weird mix of the two, or is it a picture? You are reading your 21st century idea of numbers not meaning anything other than exact value into 2000 year old apocalyptic prophecy where numbers do in fact have meaning other than numerical value. See for example the measurements of the new city in rev 21.
@@lierox9 Jesus also said I give my holy spirit to the holy ghost... Mean they are 2 Not the same but 2... Your just wrong... How do I know... Well, I am a ghost... Look at me...
It also says literally that they are all males and all virgins. Literally. I'm with you on not changing the words of the Revelation. I'm just suggestion that this book is filled with symbols.
A number of years ago it was argued that the Jews would never return to their ancient homeland of Judea and Samaria because they had been scattered among the nations (read what Voltaire wrote about this) However, today, not only have the Jews returned to the land but they also speak their ancient language of Hebrew. My point is...what's impossible for man is not impossible for God. What man cannot understand does not, in any way, negate what God has said. Finally, the book of Daniel is quite descriptive of what would take place in the end days and during the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy concerning the Jewish people/nation.
I'm curious, why would a loving father send his son/daughter on errand to a strange land with less than 'literal' map/guide to the destination when indeed he's all-knowing? Will you do that to your own son or daughter?
@@ayoelufisan6275 That's sort of an unimportant distinction to make. It doesn't matter if your guide is a poem, a work of music, or a literal instruction book, it what matters what ideas are presented, what themes are represented, and what is emphasized. Abstract ideas can be more widely applicable and impactful than literal ideas. Jesus spoke in parables. David wrote songs and poems. God being loving is irrelevant to how he equips us. If you are under the impression that the love of God is a helicoper-parent sort of love that prevents hurt, sickness, trial and failure than you are sadly mistaken. His love is fulfilled perfectly in his sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for a humanity which despises him. We are not entitled to anything other than repentance.
Yeah...he's wrong, because he does not understand the reason Dan and Ephraim were left out...they are the two tribes that set up idols in their territories so that Israelites from the ten tribes would not go to Jerusalem and worship the true God. Those idols were calves, the same as when Aaron made them a calve in the wilderness. This list is God's way of retribution against the entrenched idolatry amongst His own people.
Iam Hudsdent I believe they are a prophetical figure that represents a specific identity. Only those things that are freely given to us by God are made available for us to know(1 Corinthians 2:12). These are events that are yet to take place in the future, and God is surely keeping it from our knowledge. Even the apostle Paul admitted that he didn’t know everything there is in the prophecy. He stated that “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part”(1 Corinthians 13:9). There are things in the prophecies that God is keeping from our knowledge because the time for them to be revealed has not yet come. One example is Revelation 19:12 which says “and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, *THAT NO MAN KNEW* , but he himself”. Now, who do you think is one so stupid enough to do a research to know what that written name is? But then further down in the last chapter, we read- “And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads”(Revelation 22:4). So only then if you can wait until the end when that thing is stick in your head that you will come to know the name of God. And perhaps one will ask after: “But how can he know that name sticked in his forehead? Can he see it? Do they have mirror there in heaven?” The answer is simple. Just ask another fellow beside you.
@@pennylockhart4761 The book of Revelation clearly says that the choosing of the 144,000 lies in the future during the Tribulation...that hasn't happened yet...so it has nothing to do with O.T. saints.
He’s makes so some good valid points but I have to disagree with him on this he speaks from a theological point of view and there’s nothing wrong with that but……
Good scholarly work. I am an old regular Baptist. I was baptized by my Grandfather the reverend J.W. Pratt 08-08-1988 in the north fork of the Kentucky river at Cornettsville, Kentucky. My Papaw Pratt preached for 55 years and was Pastor at Little Leatherwood ORB Church. I had experienced an appearance of the glorified glowing Christ who placed a white stone in my right hand that had my name written in it. It was a name that means victory which I had before this world was created. It identified who I am in him. It is the white stone of prophecy. I am protected like all Christians and likewise God is my avenger. I have had prophetic visions of his return. And, I can often speak things into being especially when I really need to. I have to be careful with my words. I am just a mere mortal man who is a sinner like everyone else. But, I know Jesus is real. Biblical Faith is not believing things you don't know. It is direct knowing imparted as a gift from God. The Jehovah Witnesses refer to the 144,000 as the John class who will lead and rule over the flock when Jesus comes in the clouds with his angels singing a new song About New Jerusalem, the heavenly city of God descending from the sky with him to the Earth. But, I agree with this scholar somewhat in that though having different gifts and calling from the Savior, no one will be ranked above or considered better than anyone else. We will become one with the savior who is one with the Father. We will be more than conquerers in him forever. Time will be no more. He is ever present with us. Eternity exists only in the now. God is the spirit of love.True worship is awareness of his living, loving, healing, overcoming presence now. What matters most of all is understanding and acknowledging that truth and loving our neighbors as ourselves unconditionally without judgement just as he loves us.
Interesting to read your lines. I believe the teacher here is right. And find your experience interesting. This may not be the right place or time to tell about devine experiences, but why not. Dare to tell about devine interventions. I was once in a horrible situation, facing 2 strangers persons about to attack me. Suddenly one of them screemed and lost his grip on me. The other gasped and they looked with the greatest fear on something behind and over me. A woman came from a house near by, the men ran for their lives, holding their hands on the ears for some reason. The woman tok my arm and had me sit down. " Didnt you see her?" she said. I shook my head, the men probably had planned to murder and or rob me. The woman told me she had seen the mightiest angel behind and over me. It had lit up the air. The sight was so breathtaking she understood at once what was happening. She was a lovely person. Her husband came to us and smiled, he had seen the angel too. I didnt see the angel. But I learned they exist and work in ways we most often dont see or understand. Our Lord really loves us. ❤.
Doug Martin The answer is in Revelation 14:3-4. But I believe they are a prophetical figure that represents a specific identity when they were introduced in the early chapter. Only those things that are freely given to us by God are made available for us to know(1 Corinthians 2:12). These are events that are yet to take place in the future, and God is surely keeping it from our knowledge. Even the apostle Paul admitted that he didn’t know everything there is in the prophecy. He stated that “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part”(1 Corinthians 13:9). There are things in the prophecies that God is keeping from our knowledge because the time for them to be revealed has not yet come. One example is Revelation 19:12 which says “and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, *THAT NO MAN KNEW* , but he himself”. Now, who do you think is one so stupid enough to do a research to know what that written name is? But then further down in the last chapter, we read- “And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads”(Revelation 22:4). So only then if you can wait until the end when that thing is stick in your head that you will come to know the name of God.
Doug Martin 144,000 I wanted to send the Bible verses that help us know (with and through the word) who the 144,000 are.... First and foremost the Church that Jesus built and purchased with His precious blood is comprised of "believing" Jews and Gentiles in this Church Age of Grace. But Roman's 11 makes clear that in Israel there exists a remnant who DO NOT believe. And scripture makes clear that they are in blindness until a certain time...for them is reserved the Time of Jacob's Trouble...and That Time of Jacob's Trouble happens within that 7 year period that has the Great Tribulation in it. We read: Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and THE REST WERE BLINDED. Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness IN PART is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from JACOB: ---THE REMNANT that we see in Revelation 7:1-4, who are on the earth during the 70th week, (that 7 year period of time that has within it the Great Tribulation & Time of Jacob's trouble) are the "REMNANT" that today during this Church Age of Grace are in blindness, they reject who Jesus is....but the Lord has promised he will open their eyes and they will believe. There is a fulness ot the Gentiles...(Roman's 11:25) And there is a fulness of Israel...(Roman's 11:11-12). And the fulness of the Gentiles is BEFORE the fulness of Israel... There is a distinction between the Church (Rev. 4 & 5), the 144,000 (Rev. 7:1-4, Rev. 14) and the Tribulation Saints (Rev. 6:9, Rev. 7:9). [Refer to chart from text]... Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL. The 144,000 are the Remnant that Paul makes clear in Roman's 11 are in blindness until the fulness ot the Gentiles comes in...and they are seen on the earth in Rev. 7:1-4 as just getting sealed before the four Angel's hurt the earth and sea. ---You see, when I started this Bible Study group, as the Holy Spirit put in my heart, I wanted a group that was not afraid to dive into the word and truly study it...we call it "The Berean Bible Study Group." I did not want a group who went for the milk of the word, but who wanted to dig deep in scripture and study "ALL" that the Lord has given us as the Bread of Life...into the meat of it. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV) 16 ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. WE ARE TOLD: 1 Thessalonians 5: 20 “Despise not prophesyings.” "..... the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Revelation 19:10 Revelation 3:3 “Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.” Mark 13:37 King James Version (KJV) 37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. THE WORD WATCH IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IS: Strong's Concordance grégoreó: to be awake, to watch Original Word: γρηγορέω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: grégoreó Phonetic Spelling: (gray-gor-yoo'-o) Definition: to be awake, to watch Usage: (a) I am awake (in the night), watch, (b) I am watchful, on the alert, vigilant. HELPS Word-studies 1127 grēgoreúō - literally, "stay awake"; (figuratively) be vigilant (responsible, watchful). PROPHECY is important. With more tenacity we should be about our Father's business knowing the hour. We are Jesus Ambassadors on earth. Five of the most important aspects of a Christian's walk is this: 1.) Share the Gospel and LOVE with a Christ like heart.... 2.) The Church is to edify one another. Any gift the Lord has given us should be used to edify the body. To whom much is given, much is expected. 3.) Pray ceaselessly. 4.) Eat the Spiritual Food we have been given which sanctifies. (WORD OF GOD) 5.) Comfort one another with the words which describes the Resurection, knowing God does not lie and His promises are sure as His word will not return void. We are to grow in Christ. Today there are false teachers, false preachers, wolves in sheep's clothing, etc., it is IMPERATIVE that we stand on the word rightly divided-and not waver.
Raphael The 144,000 are NOT the Church, they are the REMNANT from ISRAEL (Jacob/12 Tribes) that we read in Romans 11 are in temporary blindness UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.... The church is seen in Revelation 4&5 singing the New Song of redemption BY JESUS BLOOD, out of every kindred, tongue, people and nations. The 144,000 are FROM ISRAEL (Jacob/12 Tribes). PRETRIBULATION PROOF Let God be true and every man a liar...(Roman's 3:4).... Did you know that in the Old Testament "24" was used to describe a GROUP of people LARGER than 24? 24 was used in the Old Testament TWICE to represent a LARGER group: 1.) King David divided the Levitical priesthood into 24 orders, (1 Chronicles 24:3-5). Each order represented the entire priestly tribe and the whole nation of Israel as it functioned before God. 2.) In 1 Chronicles 25 King David did a similar dividing into 24 of the singers and musicians who would perform worship in the Temple. There were 288 musicians total and King David had them divided into 24 divisions, so similar to the previous chapter, 24 symbolizes the whole group. Now I want to show you something.... In the prophetic book of Revelation (which literally means UNVEILING), we see a group described as "24 Elders" in heaven BEFORE Jesus opens the first seal (Rev. 4 & 5). Now I hear people try to say that the 24 Elders are simply the 12 original Apostles/Disciples of the Lord and the 12 Original sons of Jacob from where the 12 Tribes of Israel came from.... Two scriptural facts debunk that: 1.) The Disciples were Jews, NOT out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation....the sons of Jacob (Jacob was Isaac’s son, Isaac was Abraham’s son) were Hebrew, as the Bible makes clear that Abraham was called a Hebrew in Genesis 14:13, and even Joseph-one of the 12 Tribes was also referred to as a Hebrew in Genesis 39:14. 2.) The Bible states clearly that NO ONE but Jesus has ascended up to heaven but He that came from heaven; and Hebrews 11 makes clear that even those of Old Testament times to whom the promises were made (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. SHALL NOT be made perfect without us (Church). Romans 8 states that we shall be GLORIFIED TOGETHER. So keep that in mind when you read that there is a group in heaven clothed in white raiment (glorified), crowned and seated on the throne at rest; singing about being redeemed by Jesus blood out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation. The Jewish apostle and 12 Sons of Jacob were NOT “out of every kindred, tongue people and nation". We cannot ignore that the group in Revelation 4 & 5 describes themselves as "out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation" which has ALWAYS been a LARGE group in scripture. REMEMBER: 24 was used in the Old Testament TWICE to represent a LARGER group: 1.) King David divided the Levitical priesthood into 24 orders, (1 Chronicles 24:3-5). Each order represented the entire priestly tribe and the whole nation of Israel as it functioned before God. 2.) In 1 Chronicles 25 King David did a similar dividing into 24 of the singers and musicians who would perform worship in the Temple. There were 288 musicians total and King David had them divided into 24 divisions, so similar to the previous chapter, 24 symbolized the whole group. In their description, EVERYTHING we read about the 24 Elders are things ONLY promised to the CHURCH. The 24 Elders are crowned with GOLD KINGLY CROWNS OF SALVATION -see Rev. 4.....(now read 2 Timothy 4:8, Psalm 21:1-7).... The 24 Elders are clothed in white Raiment and seated at rest in the throne with Jesus in their midst (overcomer promises from Jesus HIMSELF-Rev. 3:5, 3:21 ), .... You must understand that the Bible interprets itself. We learn what an OVERCOMER is in the Holy Word and truth: 1 John 5:4-5 (KJV) 4 For whatsoever is BORN OF GOD overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God? An OVERCOMER is a born again believer in Christ. The 24 Elders in Rev. 4 & 5 sing in the FIRST PERSON PLURAL (we, our, us) even in the original manuscripts; and they describe themselves as REDEEMED BY JESUS BLOOD, OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, TONGUE, PEOPLE AND NATION; They also sing about being made KINGS AND PRIESTS and about REIGNING. (All exclusively promised ONLY to the Church). Now, what is the original Greek word translated to "ELDER" in the Original language and it's meaning? An ELDER of which Peter called himself one (1 Peter 5),...is as follows: HELPS Word-studies 4245 presbýteros - properly, a mature man having seasoned judgment (experience); an elder. Therefore an "Elder" is a mature person having experience to judge. Remember that as we grow in Christ we go from milk to meat in our understanding. Babies start off on formula, then as they mature they can drink milk, then eat solids. Our walk with Christ is one of growth and even in our understanding of the meat of the word we do grow and mature. WHO is promised to JUDGE WITH CHRIST according to the word? 1 Corinthians 6:2 (KJV) 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? ..... Jude. 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. WE MUST STAND ON THE TRUTH OF THE WORD-RIGHTLY DIVIDED. WE MUST FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS IN ISAIAH 28:9-10 WHICH IS "HOW" SCRIPTURES MAKES CLEAR WE ARE TO UNDERSTAND DOCTRINE. Again-keep in mind that the BIBLE which is truth makes clear that WE SHALL BE GLORIFIED TOGETHER (Roman's 8:16-18).....and that no one from Old Testament times of which the promises were first made [Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc.], shall be made perfect (glorified) without us. (Hebrews 11:39-40). That group in Rev. 4 & 5 can ONLY be (according to the WORD AND TRUTH), no one else BUT THE FAITHFUL CHURCH. If you do not argue against what the WORD OF GOD (JESUS) Himself shows us in the REVELATION (unveiling) OF JESUS CHRIST, you can see the truth of it. THE FAITHFUL CHURCH shall be in heaven, joint heirs with Christ BEFORE Jesus opens that first seal. In the first seal, it is JESUS HIMSELF (while He is in heaven) who unleashes that crowned rider in Rev. 6 at the START of that 7 year period, that has the GREAT TRIBULATION IN IT. Jesus unleashes the Antichrist (the only one who shall have a KINGDOM on earth during that 7 year period that has the great tribulation in it, is the Antichrist), Jesus Millennial Kingdom is after that time... - THE ANTICHRIST KINGDOM is comprised of the false prophet, the antichrist, the dragon, the 10 kings who shall give the Antichrist their power and he in turn makes them part of his antichrist kingdom, and MYSTERY BABYLON. Jesus ALONE is worthy to open those seals, and it is only after His bride is up safely, seated on the throne with Jesus in her midst (Rev. 4&5), ....that Jesus unleashes the Antichrist (first seal) in his full conquering power, in order for him to CONFIRM (magnify/strengthen) THE covenant with MANY, which begins that 7 year period. Jesus unleashes the Antichrist only after the Church is in heaven, because judgement FIRST BEGINS in the HOUSE OF GOD. Then the Antichrist CONFIRMS THE COVENANT WITH MANY (which begins that 7 year period that this Antichrist figure will break-3 1/2 years AFTER he confirms it).... JESUS HIMSELF shows us a pre-tribulation always Rapture by presenting the Church in her position of inheritance and promise in Revelation 4 & 5. Family of Christ, of all the warnings in scripture, one of the most serious FROM JESUS HIMSELF is against those who take away or add to what REVELATION says: Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. IF HAVING YOUR PART TAKEN OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE FOR TAKING AWAY FROM WHAT IS IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION, MEANS THAT YOUR NAME SHALL NOT BE FOUND IN THAT BOOK....PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR ETERNAL PORTION SHALL BE FOR HAVING TAKEN OUT OF WHAT IS IN THE BOOK WE ARE TO RECEIVE BLESSINGS FOR HEARING AND READING.... Revelation 20:15 (KJV) 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT BELIEVE ALL THAT THE WORD OF OF GOD HAS SAID? So we ought to carefully study and rightly divide especially what is in Revelation. And we are to let the Holy Bible interpret itself. We are to FEAR GOD, which is the BEGINNING of wisdom...AND let GOD be true and EVERY man-no matter the bells and whistles or outward appearance of righteousness any man carries, if what you want is what came from God, STAND FIRM nothing wavering on what God said, studied and rightly divided-in the manner we are told to study in Isaiah 28:9-10
The Word And truth-FROM GODNOTMEN So, you believe that the church is up there in heaven when the tribulation begins? That means the gathering together had already been finished before the tribulation. A pretribulation view of the rapture, as what many scholars dubbed it. I believe that the church will go through the tribulation.
I’ve never heard this view. Im not convinced though. It doesn’t make sense to take a passage that seems to be objective in saying there are 144,000 people sealed and they each come from one of the 12 tribes and then claim that that’s symbolic
That is talking about the new Jerusalem..however you've touched on a very important point. If you read rev 7 and 14..its clear that the 144,000 are co ruler with Jesus..the new Jerusalem represents the new Government or Gods kingdom.. With the new Kings.. These as you really read are the little flock , ones like the apostles, the first disciples..and those that are chosen by God. Jesus promised his close followers that they would be kings...we read this several times..the ones that stick out are at the last supper, and after the rich man... So clearly these men are included in the 144,000 kings ..what a wonderful arrangement...God is surely justice, mercy, and wisdom.
On the night before Jesus’ death what prospect did he set before his apostles? IT WAS on the night before Jesus was put to death that he told his faithful apostles: ‘In the house of my Father there are many abodes. I am going my way to prepare a place for you, that where I am you also may be.’ He further said to them: “I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom.” (John 14:2, 3; Luke 22:29) What a marvelous prospect he set before them! However, Jesus did not mean that only those apostles would rule with him in his heavenly Kingdom. Later it was made known that 144,000 redeemed from the earth would have that grand privilege. (Rev. 5:9, 10; 14:1, 4) Are some today reaching out to lay hold of it? After John the Baptizer was imprisoned by Herod Antipas, Jesus undertook an intense campaign of public preaching in which he focused attention on “the kingdom of the heavens.” (Matt. 4:12, 17) He made people aware that there would be opportunity for them to enter that Kingdom, and his disciples earnestly reached out for that prize.-Matt. 5:3, 10, 20;7:21; 11:12. At Pentecost of 33 C.E. the first of them were anointed with holy spirit. (Acts 2:1-4; 2 Cor. 1:21, 22) God’s provision for salvation leading to immortal heavenly life was made known. Peter used “the keys of the kingdom of the heavens” to open up this knowledge-first to the Jews, next to the Samaritans, and then to people of the Gentile nations. (Matt. 16:19) Special attention was being given to making up the government that would rule mankind for 1,000 years, and nearly all the inspired letters in the Christian Greek Scriptures are primarily directed to this group of Kingdom heirs-“the holy ones,” “partakers of the heavenly calling.”
@@jenanielson when you said the one's that stick out are at the last supper, the verses about how the 144,000 greet Christ at Mount Zion when He returns stuck out to me. Good stuff in ur comments thanks
@@ryanteuscher7996 thank you....but they dont greet him on mount zion..they are standing with him on mt Zion..which represents Gods Kingdom in heaven...and if you notice the verses after that speak of the new song only those 144,000 can master..this song represents their given authority of kingship..as co- rulers with Christ.. And from what we read in other scriptures we see this group of annointed includes the apostles and most first century Christians..read the account of Pentecost.. This is the spiritual birth of Israel..and the establishment of Gods kingdom.. Also in Rev 21 the apostles are the foundation .. And also 1Thess is speaking of those with this annointed heavenly calling..( most dont understand this and think it's for all the"church")for they have to be raised from the sleeping state of the grave to able to take their stand on my Zion.. And this happens after the tribulation starts but before the battle of Armageddon..because we know Jesus as King comes to fill the vengeance of Gods wrath against those opposing him..which is what Kings do.. And we know the 144,000 are with him because they follow him wherever he goes. I might add that the scriptures do not teach that we go to heaven when we die..but return to the ground and are asleep in death awaiting the resurrection. . If you read eccl 9 its clear.. Also compare to what is said about John the Baptist and king David..both have not ascended to heaven. The teaching of an immortal soul is incorrect..and its origin is in Babylon.. I could give you more on this if you want. I have devoted my life to God and am doing the best I can to help other come to an accurate understanding of him, his son and teach others the truth from the bible..as Jesus commanded.so I'd be happy to help.
By asking this I'm not comparing myself and your biblical knowledge.Jesus mentioned as the lion of tribe of Judah the root of David is it symbolic and Judah listed first is it symbolic?
Professor Robert L. Thomas wrote regarding the figure 144,000 mentioned at Revelation 7:4: “It is a definite number in contrast with the indefinite number of 7:9. If it is taken symbolically, no number in the book can be taken literally.”-Revelation 1-7: An Exegetical Commentary, page 474.
144000 stones for pyramid Giza , 144000 petals for the crown chakra .... 12 tribes ( heart chakra) . So 144000 is the sing of awakening or enlightment of each of us !
Maranatha Father! I pray for You and Your army of Angels. Give them strength, wisdom, and armor so they can guide the true Will. Thank You so much for the constant blessings here on Earth. I am forever in debt to You and can’t wait to work for you the rest of eternity. You must have so much more in store. Another Earth? More battles. More Creations? I continue to awe over Your brilliance every day. Please scoop us ASAP. I will be here and never waver from the Chessed You instilled in me from day 1. They told me you were just an imaginary friend I called, Dude. But now I know who the Dude really was and The Dude abides to His Covenant. This is solemn Truth! In Your Son’s beautiful Name, Jesus Christ, I pray laugh live love die eat sleep run walk drive talk sing and will die, Amen!
Jehovah and jesus loves you and they want you to know the truth they want you to live forever on a paradise earth forever and learning more truth forever and the truth will set you free
wjwn dkd stop lying. Revelation is a book of prophecy according to rev 1:1-3. Meaning to say it needs to happen in the future and someone comes in the rol of “John”. The revelation is given to God, jesus, angel, John. How can you be the witness?
Judgment (pestilence): Plot against an anointed of God. "Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them". Jeremiah 11:11
It doesn't matter if you are a Christian, if you are amongst 144000; you know it when it's time and you know you're chosen and have a higher calling, protected at all times by the universe and angels. And that is because you go through the severe hardships in life you can hide so gracefully because you are blessed with spiritual powers beyond normal men. And those hardships are divinely orchestrated to make you strong and lead you to where you are meant to be.
Father's name on the forhead almost feels like maybe everyone can see it but the person with the name on forhead. Maybe they realize it later? But everyone else knew . Kinda like the game with a card taped to forhead
Great arguments and points you make on this issue. I am confused how to reconcile Revelation 14 with the idea that 144,00 represents all Christians. I am not disputing it only trying to reconcile Rev 14:3-4 "They have kept themselves as pure as virgins"........They have told no lies, they are without blame" This brings into question, if this number represents all Christians, what about Christians that haven't done that? I know that Christians fall into sin. According to 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 2, we have an advocate on our behalf if we sin. Are these Christians (and I have been one of them) fall into this number of the redeemed?? or is a certain group of people that lived their lives perfectly??? I hope I am making my point clear here!
The opposite is true. The fake Jews are trying to make Spiritual things into physical. You should read the Bible more to figure out who God's chosen are.
@IYearn4HisReturn On the flip-side of the coin: one can have a correct view of God, but not real faith. "You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder!" (James 2:19). True faith is not just knowing who the real Jesus is, but believing that He is Lord and that He rose from the dead (Romans 10). For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Rom. 10:13) It really is as simple as calling out to Jesus to save you. He promises to do it. I would suspect that each of us currently have wrong ideas about God that God will correct over time as He sanctifies us with the truth found in His word.
@@carlotta2118 Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. He rose from the dead. If you believe in Him, you will be forgiven all sins, and saved. If you're already a believer, then be assured that you are already forgiven, God loves you.
Around 4 minutes and 30 seconds you mentioned John speaking on the Jews does that mean that this John is the John the Baptist ever speaking of is he speaking of past tense tribes or is he speaking of the current Jews during the times of jesus?
The literal interpretation does not fit his position so he has to attempt to explain away the meaning. This is evidence that Jesus is coming soon because deception is on every corner.
@@bonniebonnie9388 144,000 are a literal number of the preserved Jewish remnant that flee to the wilderness as mentioned in rev 12. Rev 14 calls them virgins and first fruits. Now with that in mind read romans 11, Isaiah 10:20, Jeremiah 31, psalm 68, and Hosea 9.
We are so blessed to live in a time where we have 24/7 access to teachers who have dedicated their entire lives to the study of God’s word. All from a device that fits in my pocket. The internet can lead you to destruction or it can bring you closer to God.
Great comment 👍
It is written that the 144 thousand will be only those of the last generation who will remain alive until the return of the Lord Jesus, because they being sons of light will put in darkness the sons of darkness who for now are wiser than the sons of light (Luke 16:8).
&So is clearly that Bible study is our only chance to remain alive until the return of the Lord, because only by being more enlightened than the AI robots will we be useful to God in the final armageddon that will end the armageddon started in heaven against the Sanctuary.
We can be surely that Satan's army will use artificial intelligence AI (which they see as being millions of times smarter than all intelligent humans).
It must be clear to us that AI servants will use the photo-theology of the Bible in more and more dimensions to fight against God’s army.
Therefore it must be clear to us that we will have no chance to remain alive among the 144 thousand if we do not begin to practice the photo-theology of the Bible in always more dimensions studying under the guidance of the Holy Ghost who remembering everything we read and meditating God’s word He will guide us in putting all the verses in perfect order.
It is clear that the AI super-intelligence will use the same phototheology of the Bible but for the purpose of ecumenism trying to twist the verses putting them in that perfect order which AI will see as necessary for the ecumenical union of all religions.
And so is clear that we will not have any chance to overcome against the sons of darkness who will use the AI super-intelligence when we will not be able to see all what will be twisted by AI and to see even the mis-ordering of verses desired by the ecumenical philosopher AI.
Armageddon has divided the heaven into two groups of fighters and therefore armageddon will be ended between two groups of fighters seen in the verses as:
Romans 3:4 By no means! On the contrary, let God be FOUND true and ALL MEN be found LIARS, as it is written: "That you may be FOUND righteous in your words and come out victorious when you are judged. (in Rev 14:7).
Revelation 14:7 He was saying with a loud voice: "Fear God and give Him glory, for the HOUR of His judgment has come, and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the fountains of waters!"
Unfortunately only few Christians can see the two groups of fighters in these two verses because only few study the Sanctuary to understand Hebrews chapter 3 and chapter 4 to be seen as saints in Colos 1:26 receiving God’s MYSTERY called CHRIST(Colos 2:2).
I am the One
You don't understand that the 144,000 witnesses will be in the early part of the Tribulation period after the rapture. They all will be young Jewish men and all virgins These witnesses will all be winning souls for Christ but unfortunately they will all be murdered before the midpoint of the tribulation.
They know who they are, God's spirit tells them.
Linda Dobson 😉
Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”
Romans 5:5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are "led by the Spirit of God", these are sons of God.
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@@sarahlynn4790 be the best you can be
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He says I am going to be great....
I can’t wait to see God proving to the world that He says what He means and means what He says….every single time
Out are absolutely correct 💯
Meee tooo
Yep . Enough of this 'interpretation ' nonsense . The literal truth .
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@Gwen Be careful what u wish for my friend, especially if ur not in the body of christ, the 1st church Jesus Christ started in the 1st century, & gave his authority to his apostles to pass on his teachings, thats why Jesus said if they do not hear u, they do not hear me, for many will come to me on that day saying Lord Lord, no1 wants to be those Christians. So i pray ur in a apostolic church, that has apostolic succession.
Jesus is Lord, He loves you, Jesus died for you and He rose again three days later! Repent and put your faith in Him alone!
I'm pretty sure the 144,000 people are The New IFB/FWBC, based on statistics.
@thegoodguise yes but your salvation isn't dependent on works. What James is referring to is the fact that true faith will be seen through works. Only way for someone to walk with the Lord is to have the spirit, thus signifying putting faith in Christ. Through that obedience can be practiced but not until.
Jesus is u an I lol. wake up
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Nah... the way to everlasting life is the sun which grows everything genesis chapter one said we are to eat from the plants and fruits baring seeds.
Let us pray that the lord will help us all understand what it is written in the book of revelation. God bless you all!!
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Pray for understanding , because it's he's alone
The 144,000 is from the twelve tribe of Israel, while the other group, the great multitude is from every nations, tounges. The 144.000 is the first fruit, while the others the second which is unnumbered. This is not a symbolic number. The eight people that were saved in Noah's ark; the 12 disciples, the 120 apostles at Pentecost, and many others could mention, all of which is literal numbers👍.
After 2022 years, shouldn't we know decisively what it means by now? Why do we have to pray for an answer? God never says anywhere in His Word that the Bible is a mystery that we have to try to solve over 2022 years. It was written and given to us to understand on day 1...yet 2022 years later we've turned it into a mess of confusion.
I completely agree & Our Abba Father Creator clearly uses numbers and patterns in His Divine Intelligent ways of communicating to humans, to reveal hidden coded messages, to verify other verses of scripture, pattern is prophecy and each verse has multiple layers of dimensional meanings. I only recently have been shown by the Ruah Spirit of Truth the significance of 144,000 in the human genome....only a "pureblood" who hasnt had their DNA/RNA altered or tampered with would be considered like Noah was 'perfect in his generations" And not a hybrid transhuman experimental test subject ....genetically modified organism . Our Creator states the life is in the blood. He even used the numbers of the Hebrew alephbet in the 4 protein molecules that make the bridge of our double helix DNA strands. The sacred ancient name of Hashem....YHWH....Coorelates the numbers 10-5-6-5. The author and creator of our lives signed His name into every strand of our very DNA, THe building blocks that make you who you are! We serve an AWESOME GOD,,, who loves us very much. Each of us is precious and unique to our Maker, never let anyone change that! Godspeed Saints
I appreciate how Jesus is ALWAYS there for us. Always there to advocate for us, to step in for us, and to remind us when we forget. Thanks Jesus!
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Thank You so much. AAron said it early on, " How can the judge of all the world not do right?" How can we doubt when its said so well in John 3:16? Revelations is scary, but when understood, Is reaffirming of Jesus Promise. A number is not the determining factor, your commitment to Jesus is. He said " I am the way."
Awakened 144,000 u+221e ∞ 🙏🦋🌱
We do not worry about who they are. The Most High knows his people. We work our salvation with fear and trembling.
Awakened 144,000 u+221e ∞
The answers are within. 🙏🦋🌱
"We work our salvation" .... thats not biblical.
We are not saved by works but by grace.
Only Mormons believe that they need to work out their salvation.
We already have salvation through Jesus.
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Philippians 2:12.
@@ejchakaodza only saved people can work out their salvation, logically speaking. It's not about working out in the sense of maintaining it, but rather to put your salvation to good use for the Lord.
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It's one and the same thing.
Everyone's view on this is going to depend on their eschatological position. Ultimately, it is not necessary for us all to understand these things and agree.
Scripture says exactly who they are. It shouldn’t up for debate based on eschatological positions. They are the Jewish remnant Paul talks about in romans 11. Isaiah 10:20-on mentions them too. Rev 14 calls them virgins and first fruits. This is a direct reference to Jeremiah 31, hosea 9, and psalm 68. They are the preserved Jewish remnant that fled to the wilderness. Numbers are not figurative unless they are specifically applied to a prophetic mathematical formula. Math is gods signature.
@@kingsolomon3175 what makes you say that numbers aren’t figurative unless applied to a prophetic mathematical formula though?
@@malakotfoster2206 when it refers to a timeline there are two formulas in scripture sometimes used: one is in Daniel 9 where 1 day is 360 days or one Hebrew year. And the other is found in 2 Peter 3, psalm 90, and revelation 20 where 1 day = 1000 years. There are prophecies where these formulas are used specifically for timelines. In fact where these formulas don’t apply God usually uses multiple ways to express the timeline. For example the final 1260 days of the tribulation is not to be confused with another formula. It’s literal days. So he also expresses it as “42 months” or “time, times, and half a time”. Same thing with the 2300 days in Daniel 8… so as not to confuse it with the formula in Daniel 9 he specifies evenings and mornings. God uses math as his signature. It was his signature on Jesus first coming and his death, burial, and resurrection in conjunction with Jewish feasts laid out in Leviticus and a timeline laid out in Daniel. He’s doing the same thing for his second coming. If you read through Old Testament there is an excessive use of numbers and numbering to the point we have a book called “numbers”. Everything means something. When a-millenielists allegorize numbers they’ve absolutely overlooked and missing out that a literal 1000 year reign of Christ on earth is a key clue to as to the timing of his return.
@Cheyenne ManyHeads there is only one King and He is the King of Kings, Jesus Christ. Where in the Bible does it say that the 144,000 are kings? Also you cannot earn your salvation, it is a gift from God, not from earned by works or by leading people to Christ. We lead people to Christ because the gospel is the truth, we don’t want to see others have to go to see others go to hell, to honor God, not to earn our way into heaven. And lastly, the 144,000 are not salvation, only Jesus Christ is salvation. The 144, 000 can’t take the punishment for our sins.
why not?
Very helpful. Praise God for His promises for those who believe in Him.
I really don’t like it when men say “What God means is....”
REALLY???
God says what He means and
Means what He says. His word was written so a man, any man, could understand it. It is simple as God meant it to be. Man tries to over-complicate His word.
@BAD KARMA I agree. If 144,000 sealed servants of God from Israel is what is written, then it is. If 6 days of creation is what is written, then it is. If a thousand years of the Lord's reign is what is written, then it is. If the Lord rose again after 3 days is what is written, then it is. Why would the Lord say a specific detail if He means otherwise?
I agree with you but, men wrote the Bible based on each man’s experience or passed down from another man’s experience...Yes?
That’s not necessarily correct. You have to differentiate when you’re looking at a historical record in the Bible, like the creation or the rise of Jesus after death, and when looking at something like a prophecy or a vision of the future.
If everything the Bible says was literal, Jesus would have been a powerful military leader who took over the world, but instead he was a servant who died for us.
Revelation is full of symbolism and things that aren’t meant to be taken literal, it even says it multiple times and explains multiple symbols.
Michael Johnson it wasn’t and can ever be directed at The Revelation of St. John of Patmos. Same as the book of Daniel when he interpreted dreams. But mankind of this day and age, especially certain Churches, have an “interpretation” of what they think, just about any part of scripture, “really” means. I take the historical and the direct words of God without any hidden, “interpretative” meanings. I take it all at face value. There can be no ambiguities in what God says. Perhaps you don’t understand my meaning ?
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Yes Jesus used metaphors so as to make his teachings into stories that could be told from father to son and so on. Not many could read in those days so the way lore was taught was as a story that was easier to remember for common peoples...
I'm so sick of sining but I really struggle after a few weeks of trying my best. I'm completely fed up with falling and at same time being completely alone doesn't make any easier
If you know Jesus you are never alone. I am praying for you. 🙏
I'm right there with you brother. What I do know is giving up on Christ isn't really possible once we know he exists. Keep your head up, lean into your Bible, and just know that God is God. Nothing is to big for him, nothing surprises him, he knew what would happen before it happened, and still sent his son knowing these things. Hold tight to his words, and know there nothing that can separate you from the father's love.
Your relying on your strength to resist. Daily as the lord to help you and deliver you from whatever your struggling with. Never give up. It’s not about you being perfect. It’s about not giving up. Read. Read read your word. That’s how you fill up on his spirit.
Take your mind off of self and renew your mind in the promises you have in Christ!! He wants you to be able to come forward to the throne of grace and to BELIEVE that you are forgiven!! We are to renew our minds and that brings us the peace that surpasses all understanding and there we look to Christ as the Anchor of our soul to bring us into fellowship with Him. Your flesh was already judged, you had to die to self, and you were raised to new life with Christ in you, the hope of glory!! Galatians 2:19-21. You are a new creature once you have believed the gospel of salvation by grace through faith! The Christian life is lived by taking eyes off of self and sin and focusing by FAITH on what Jesus says is true! God bless you Rodolfo! You cannot walk this life by self effort, you say Jesus take the reins and look to Him!!
Make sure you are born again and baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Also get deliverance. Let people lay hands on you and cast off those demons. Struggling is normal but the Father will make sure we hear fruit if we're truly born again
The most humble and most correct answer you will hear is :
WE DON’T KNOW.
I TOTALLY!!! agree with you 100%!!!
We don't know. Only God, knows exactly what his plans are for mankind and all things living and not living. People like to say that they Know that they are going to heaven after they die, in all honestly they don't, they may say it to make themselves feel better about an unfull-filled life here on Earth now, but they Don't know. None of us knew that we were coming here to earth or were gonna be born, likewise there is No way possible to Know what will positively happen when we cease to have breath in our bodies after living here on Earth. Only God Jehovah knows. If any of us did know, we would be like God, and NONE!! of us are like God ,he is the "One and the Only".😐
Anything God writes down he actually wants us to study carefully and pray so we can know. God’s spirit lives in believers. If he doesn’t want us to know he won’t have it written down. So I respectfully disagree with you. The correct answer is: if God had it written, I’m going to find out!
You a dumb ass. You doing the same thing everyone else does. Listen to another dumb ass!
Revelation 7:3-8
[3]Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
[4]And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
[5]Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
[6]Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
[7]Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
[8]Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
12,000 times 12 Tribes of Israel equals the Elect who is Sealed.
Your 144,000 who are Israelites.
Not any other Nations.
But Israelites.
So called Negroes Hispanics and Native Indians according to Scriptures and History and Prophecy.
Sit down and learn.
@@tylewis8598 wow so much pride and arrogance and disrespect. I say this in love brother. Repent. Jesus only saves!
Lazlo Lorintz Im perplexed that you consider yourself “righteous” when just a few messages up you go on ranting calling people “retards” and cursing people.
New-ish to Christ 🙏 So grateful for the work you all do on this channel! Sub-ed a few days ago, thrilled to have my Bible questions answered. May God continue to bless you guys
It's important to stay in your bible everyday. Hope you're still doing well.
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Hello my brother in Christ , just seeing how your doing , how you are holding up , good I hope .... I pray that you are well and still focusing on Jesus Christ and leading your children to Jesus as well... Be blessed my friends In Jesus' mighty name ... Amen🙏🙏🙏🙏
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Old-ish to(in) Christ. This is the first time I've heard this guy-It will be my last. Such non-sense. The 144,000 are not symbolic, they are real - servants of Christ.
My suggestion is to move on.
The 144000 are true believers in Jesus. This group of people had an awesome God experience, their souls were awake to a total supernatural experience.
No
I believe it's the DNA pure blood lines
@@enoughsinsofmineown1033 nope check 9nania channel out
@@enoughsinsofmineown1033 Rh Negative 12 tribes... Shalom Sister ❤
Yes
This literally has 144k views as of now
Nice!
😳 Whoa. 🔥🔥🔥
You have been chosen!! 🐹
I don't brag in ego I humble this knowledge for given to me even before birth my mom was told of me in her womb virgin marry told her she was with child a girl and is special.. I have been researching in spirit behind scenes for 5 years now but my whole life been taking notes ,, I have created a board concept monopoly for the soul educational and it was accepted today with Patten company , I was welcomed aboard.. God is good :)144
I have a message about the Sabbath begun 457 bc I was born on Saturday day before Easter 451977 on 910 and 911 2020 is Gods granted Sabbath and 1011 November is last chance for man kind to get law spirit aligned and repent a knowledge the Sabbath
If you read the 144,000 are also to be kings with Jesus.
They are anointed..people like the apostles..and first century christians..they are also called the little flock..compared to the great crowd..in Rev 14..they are a special chosen select to be co_ rulets..
They are not to multitude..and it is not symbolic..the great crowd is unnumbered..but 144,000 is numbered.
spot on !
Exactly!!
The 144000 are scapegoated like JESUS CHRIST was...and forced to take JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES sins... and spend ETERNITY in hell.
@Integrity In Christ Lazlo JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are gangstalkers period... no excuse can justify that.
Captain Nemo I spoke to one recently and he said "do you know what is Gods name?"
When i told him silence consumed him and his eyes open wide...
They know who they are, and you'll never find them. They're in the wilderness, spread out across the nations.
Rev 7:9
9After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
There will be people from all nations.
144k royal priests and great multitudes 🙏🏼
Byron Jackson most commentaries reference your reference as the Christians who died during part of the tribulation. First half 3 1/2 years. The 144,000 will be on earth during the great tribulation. Second 3 1/2 years.
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Because the 144,000 and the multitude from all nations, tribes, and tongues ARE NOT THE SAME GROUP as this guy tries to claim.
Revelation 14:12
Here is [encouragement for] the steadfast endurance of the saints (God’s people), those who habitually keep God’s commandments and their faith in Jesus.
I usually don’t care abt what doesn’t affect my Salvation but it’s always good to know
Julian Clarke That would be false friend.
Minister Furman Thomas
The instructor of that video stated that John the Baptist is a Jew but John the Baptist is not a Jew he is from the tribe of Judah a Hebrew Israelite
I am not even religious, but I am watching this for information and curiosity
And what exactly do you think it takes to be saved
The 144,000 is a literal/actual number. Study Matthew 27:52:53, 1 Corinthians 15:9-20 and Revelation 14:1-5.
They are the first fruits of Christ’s resurrection.
Are they Jewish male virgins ?
@@jgeph2.4 Very good question. But I’d have to answer it with a question. Could the 144,000 be pulled collectively (as of God choosing) any individual (meeting Rev 14 criteria) from Jesus’s resurrection back to Adam? Reminder it has always been and will always be by faith according to our father Abraham.
@@chadmiller8877 well I asked the question because if the 144,000 is a literal actual number then we can’t separate the rest of what is said about them as not being literal .. such as having not having been defiled by women in Rev14 … I don’t hold this literal position btw I was just posing a question to think about .
@@jgeph2.4 The 144,000 is a literal actual number and them not having been defiled by women is literal as well. Respectfully is not a mystery of scriptures. Is so hard to believe that a man would choose not to be defiled by women? That his body and soul would be reserved for God alone?
Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Romans 11:4
“But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.”
@@chadmiller8877 what I’m saying is the symbolic representation of the number described in the video is a more likely interpretation. The book of Revelation is apocalyptic literature and is a book filled with symbols . This does not mean we don’t read it as true or literal . We read the literal symbolic meanings . The same would go for the 1000 years on Revelation 20 . If you read that as a literal 1000 years then why is it not a literal dragon bound with a literal chain in a literal abyss with a literal lid or seal over him? The vast majority of Revelation is taken from Old Testament language and needs to be interpreted likewise .
Also the literal approach tries to read the Revelation in chronological order as it unfolds .. if you take a closer look there’s a series 7 cycles each ending with the Victorious Christ who redeems His people . The Revelation is a book filled with hope amidst the trials and tribulations of this world and was written for the encouragement of all believers in every age .
They are from the 12 tribes of Israel.
Read john 1:10-13 Jews and gentiles, everyone can be chosen.
I’m not so sure.... it says redeemed..... I’m so happy!!!!
wrong.
Incorrect.
Stop the nonsense.
You going into Lake of Fire for lying on God and His Son.
@LIVING SOUL CREATION
Revelation 7:13-17
[13]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[14]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[15]Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
[16]They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
[17]For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
The ones who have suffered great tribulations of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who kept the Faith of Ha Mashyach Yahawashi, of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who kept Gods Laws Statutes and Commandments and Judgements, of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who did all as Commanded of My God, and did the Good Works according to My Heavenly Father, of each Tribe, twelve thousand. The ones who will Die for this Word, which is Truth, until the very End who Endured, out of each Tribe, twelve thousand.
Shalawam.
Shabbat Shalawam.
QAM YASHARAHLA!!!!!
yeah, the church will be ruptured before the 7 year tribulation ; therefore no missionary, but during the 7 year tribulation there are 2 prophets preaching and warnings; and during this tribulation there will be saved and the 144k (12k from each tribe) will be jewish saved missionaries that will be scattered to teach and preach to all nations during the 7 year tribulation,
before the tribulation, Jesus will come FOR his own so the Church will be rupture, after the tribulation, Jesus Will Come WITH his own (The Church) to establish the 1K millennial kingdom
The 144,000 are God's frontrunners that will work during the 7yr tribulation period. They will be the harvest workers preparing the way for Jesus and His millenial reign. God will use each of them as He desires to bring in the second harvest.
AthleticAesthetics yes
They are SCAPEGOATS and they are persecuted like JESUS CHRIST SUFFERED....
Captain Nemo Yes they will. They are those who will fill up the sufferings of Christ. They are here now. Hidden but one day revealed. Hated for his name’s sake. On the fore front... They will lead God’s ppl into the promise land. They are a bridge for Christ to return. A sacrifice. They will break the tape. Those who proudly, boastfully and joyfully say they are one of them do not understand what this path entails. Most difficult and nothing to brag about.
AthleticAesthetics. This is what I have thought too. The laborers that set out for the reaping of the second harvest. I figure they will be spread over the whole earth as John talks about the numberless multitude of all nations, kindreds, people and tongues after the tribes were sealed (Revelation 7: 1-11). The book of Revelation is indeed a mystery. I was fascinated by it when I was 12. That was 46 years ago. John the Beloved was given this Revelation on the Isle of Patmos. He was a different type of disciple as we see in all of the books in the Bible that he wrote. God seemingly set John apart from the other disciples as the beloved. To me he seemed the most humble of all the disciples and God did give him grace. Jesus said to Peter and then it was said among "the brethren" "If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" It will be amazing to be a witness as I believe we who are in Christ will be able to see to the end of this age the things of Revelation come to pass. What a glorious and awesome God we serve!
@@lenorenail1934 fvk all religions especially JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES...thers no second harvest its all NONSENSE. Gangstalkers are JEHOVAH WITNESSES and freemasons.
Well the 144000 could just be all the direct descendants still around at the time of judgement. The 144000 of those that are believers that is.
Revelation 5:10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.” Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands,
saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!” And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
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No its the 12 tribes. Then. John saw a great multitudes that no one can count. We must not complicate the Bible.
@ArchimedesBC Yeah,.. this is the same kind of confusing theology that the Watchtower teaches. The Isrealites symbolize the gentile church, the crowd that cannot be counted symbolizes the crowd that can. You might as well say black symbolizes white!
@ArchimedesBC That's right. All scripture says is that God chose poeple from those particular tribes. I don't really see any necessity for any of them understanding which tribe they belong to. God knows those who are his. That's enough.
I live in Sweden so I'm not the Southern Seminary, but I am currently having an incredibly long discussion with a Jehovah's witness and I see the same kind of arguments being used - the list of tribes is different and Dan and Ephraim are not listed, therefore symbolism. What on earth is the logic in that????
I pointed out to the JW who tried to sell that argument that there is a perfectly good reason for this. Some people point out the fact that Dan and Ephraim went further in idolotry than the other tribes and were rejected for that reason. However, while that may play into it, I think there may be another reason.
We can read about the twelve tribes of Israel in Genesis 48. In that list we see that Levi and Joseph are present. Then later on when the land was to be divided between the tribes, Levi was not included due to the priestly duties that the Levites were to do. So the list was restructured, with one important thing that needed to be maintained - there had to be 12 tribes, not 11 or 13. Levi and Joseph were out, and Ephraim and Menassah were in.
So if restructuring the list of tribes makes it symbolic then that would mean the list was symbolic when the land was divided. That's how much sense their argument makes!
Also, since the tribes listed in Revelation 7 are under the New Covenant, we can expect and understand the reason for yet another restructuring of the list to occur. In the New Testament we are all kings and priests. There is no longer any reason to exclude the tribe of Levi. And from then on it is up to God to restucture the list as he sees fit - just as long as there are 12 tribes listed. No symbolism needed in other words.
Paul Brennan en svensk som är en riktig kristen👍👍 Gud välsingne dig
@@michaelbechaalani2242 Tack Michael! Jag gör mitt bästa 😁 ... även om jag inte är svensk. Jag föddes i England men växte upp i Australien. Flyttade till Sverige för över fyrtio år sedan - ett land som jag älskar för där kom jag till tron! 😀👍
@@paulbrennan4163 fint att höra, det är svårt att hitta rikiga kristna här speciellt när svenska kyrken inte alls har någonting med kristendomen att göra längre.
Even though I have the utmost respect for the SBTS faculty, I have to admit that there is really a lot wrong with Dr Schreiner's interpretation. Would any normal person interpret the text this way? As the wise old saying goes: "When the plain reading of the text makes sense, seek no other sense, lest you end up with nonsense." As one Bible scholar once succinctly stated: "If you get Israel wrong, you will never get eschatology right." This applies to Dr Schreiner's views in this case. A few short comments:
1) “Meta tauta eidon” (“After these things I looked”) introduces new revelation, information, or a new vision that is distinct from the previous one. It is therefore grammatically untenable to tie the “multitude” in 7:9 to the 144,000 in vv.5-8. "Meta tauta eidon" always indicates a vision distinct from the previous one. When “meta tauta” is on its own, it is not a new vision, but a next event or happening in the vision.
2) It is said of the "multitude" in 7:14 that they did not come out of the church age, but “out of the great tribulation.” They suffered and died during the first 6 seals. The 144,000 in 7:5-8 come out of the 12 tribes of Israel, whereas the “multitude” in 7:9 is taken out “of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues…” (out of the the great tribulation!) and it is impossible to read this as descriptive of (or symbolism for) the 144,000. It also makes no sense to use a definitive number (144,000 - consisting of Jews exclusively) as symbolism to describe a multitude that is innumerable (consisting of non-Jews and Jews). Three more comments: (a) Why are the 144,000 (in Rev 14:1, 3) not called a "multitude" in these 2 verses? Because the multitude is not the 144,000. (b) Rev 14:4 clearly indicates the 144,000 were ALL male virgins and if this is not literal, then who decides what it means? It means they were all male virgins. Are you telling me the multitude in Rev 7:9 from all the nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues were all male virgins? Really? (c) Rev 14:4 also indicates the 144,000 are the "firstfruits" to God. The multitude of Rev 7:9 clearly does not fit the use of the word "firstfruits," but they fit well the idea of being the harvest.
3) Yes, the Jewish tribal records are no more, but surely God still knows exactly the constituents of each tribe, and is well able to select 12,000 from each of the 12. And as 12 X 12,000 = 144,000 is it not incontrovertible proof that this must be interpreted literally in a straightforward manner? (And we certainly know that Israel always consisted of 12 literal tribes).
4) There are many possibilities to consider the absence of the tribe of Dan (beginning in Gen 49:16-17, Judg 18:27-30, 1 Kgs 12:28-30 - and even their later reinstatement in Ezek 43 and 48), but even though God does not reveal all the reasons for excluding Dan at this point, it certainly does not justify disemboweling the plain and literal interpretation of the text.
Really, there are far better and easier ways to interpret these texts, without such elaborate and gymnastic leaps that jolt my conscience every time I hear them. Sorry Dr Schreiner, but I think you need to seriously reconsider your interpretation and beliefs in this area. The way Amils treat the text requires the name of Revelation to be changed to the Obscuration.
I believe you totally. I would like to ask if the 144,000 are left behind when the church is raptured. I mean their are 10's of millions of Christians, so we all can't be left when the trib starts, only the 144,000. Thanks. I am new to this.
Wow this is thorough! Thank you for sharing this
@@frankcrawford416 The 144,000 are not Christians. They are Jews. They practice the Law of Moses AND the grace of Christ. They are not "saved" as we use the word before the rapture...they are justified through their faith and works during the tribulation.
@@frankcrawford416
Please dismiss the "left behind" nonsense from your mind. We shall be here for the tribulation. Jesus said in Matthew 24, 22-24, And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
However, we shall be caught up with the Lord during the wrath.
@@JackHuesman The 144,000 are from every tribe not just Judah. Cant you read. Is a Reubenite a Jew. No they are not. He is a Hebrew. Open up ur eyes
I disagree. This belief would leave out God redeeming Israel in the Tribulation. Some of his arguments are paper thin. God knows their heritage. The Church is symbolized by the 24 Elders.
Leslie Harris do you really think that any Jew today has even a remotely pure bloodline from a single tribe? So it is not really a matter of “God knowing which one they belong to.”
2 Cor. 5:15 Life Each tribe doesnt have a different type of blood. God knows more abt these things than we do. It’s likely an equal number of each tribe mixed one way or another. The Bible says 144,000, 1200 from each tribe. Believe God’s Word or dont. Other areas of Revelation prove that these are Jews that have been saved during the Tribulation.
Leslie Harris, what do you do with the fact that Dan is missing and Joseph is represented twice since Manasseh is his son?
Alan Muxlow Dan may be missing because of its idolatry in Judges. Here is one link that helps explain it all: www.versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/why-is-the-tribe-of-dan-missing-in-revelation-7
Its getting harder and harder to make up your mind on who has the right answer
Jim, pray and let the Bible explain itself. A good concordance helps.
Right
Southern Seminary is a reliable source.
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Daniel 10:21 “But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.”
Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads.
Matthew 6:9-10 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven.
John 15:9-10 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
John 17:26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
Luke 10:17-20 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”
Psalms 20:5 We will rejoice in your salvation, And in the name of our God we will set up our banners! May the Lord fulfill all your petitions.
Songs of Solomon 2:4 He brought me to the banqueting house, And his banner over me was love.
Isaiah 59:19 So shall they fear The name of the Lord from the west, And His glory from the rising of the sun; When the enemy comes in like a flood, The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him.
Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”
Romans 5:5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Luke 7:47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
Deuteronomy 6:13 You shall fear the Lord your God and serve Him, and shall take oaths in His name.
Ezekiel 16:8 “When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness. Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine,” says the Lord God.
Deu 10:16-20 Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer. For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe. He administers justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing. Therefore love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. You shall fear the Lord your God; you shall serve Him, and to Him you shall hold fast, and take oaths in His name.
You're teaching replacement theology, pure and simple. The difference between Israel and the Ecclecia can be likened to the difference between the Army and the Air Force. At onetime the same thing, but each specializing and having a different job to do.
And yes, it still requires ground troops to take and hold land no matter how good your Air Force is.
I have yet to hear one thing out of you guys that makes any sort of theological sense.
Its not replacement its the truth of God's people. Read Romans. Its covenant theology.
If that is Replacement Theology, then the Apostle Peter taught it as well. Peter uses terms that were used of Israel and APPLIES them to the Church now. Notice how Peter takes Hosea 2:1; 2:23; Romans 9:25 and identifies God's people as ISRAEL. 1 Peter 2:9 says "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." Replacement Theology is BETTER labeled FULFILLMENT THEOLOGY.
He knows who God’s real people are that’s why
Exactly....
This man knows NOTHING.
The real Jews are black.. If he knows something he should be talking it.
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I would like a video about the witch of Endor in 1st Samuel when Saul was trying to communicate with Samuel. That is such a weird Passage
Spooky since Saul was punished for delving into witchcraft and finding stuff out that was none of his business.
@@yaffayafo82 I know. It is such a weird passage. Witchcraft and the like are sinful and punishable by death and yet here God worked through one. This is why this passage is confusing to me.
@@mattwhitaker3801 Do you actually believe that God would put His servants at the beck and call of a Demonic channel?
Does it not make more sense to realize the Spirit seen by Saul was actually a lying Demonic Spirit? After all, it gave itself away by it's first words
"Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" (1 Samuel 28:15).
Bringing him up, not down from heaven. The witch also said "I see a spirit coming UP out of the ground.
@@fsbirdhouse yes but his prediction was accurate in verse 19 and came to pass in chapter 31. You see why this is so confusing of a chapter? Test of a prophet Deuteronomy 18:21-22 is whether or not the prophet words come true or not. What the being samuel said came to pass.
@Matt Whitaker Instead of seeking guidance from God Saul looked to witchcraft for answers. This is forbidden in the Bible and is of the devil. When you go to the devil for guidance then you place yourself in his control and no longer in the safety of God. The devil knew this and spoke through the witch of Endor declaring his death. The devil knew that by going to the witch of Endor he was no longer under God's protection. God did not put His servant at the beck and call of a Demonic channel, Saul placed himself there. See 1 Chronicles 10:13,14 We are saved by faith and Saul demonstrated a lack of faith when he sought guidance from a witch instead of God. Also the dead to not know anything because they are dead. The witch of Endor summoned an evil spirit not Samuel. Ecc 9.5
Just nice brother. The analises You did in this subject is just well done and tought me a lot. Prase the Lord. God bless you.
I would have to disagree. In Revelation 7: 4-9
After speaking about 144,000, verse 9 it clearly states that “then he saw a great crowd that no man was able to number”. Which clearly puts emphasis on the 144,000
as a number that man can count. . It is a distinct number made up of 12,000
From 12 Tribes then there is a great crowd that no man can number. So if the 144,000 was symbolic why would it be able to be counted and the other crowd not wouldn’t the 144,000 be as well a random number unable to be really counted as well there is a clear distinction here between what is countable or literal and what is not.
It is a symbolic image of the Christian church (God's Chosen/New Humanity). 12,000 x 12,000 = 144,000. (Length x Width). This is a description of the New Holy of Hollies (Also called the New Heavens & New Earth), which dimensions were a perfect cube, as long as it was wide. The New Holy of Hollies is a City and it is a People that comes down from heaven in Revelation 21-22.
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The Bible is pretty clear and quite descriptive of who is 144,000 are. It is written that they are Jewish male virgins and that they are 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
Their purpose will be to preach the gospel during the great tribulation
In their wisdom, they are made fools.
Thank you
So smart but so stupid..... Deceivers ..... Smh Ministers of Satan
They dont need to know what tribe they're from. God knows.
They are spiritual Israelites. Rev .is based on what has been made clear before. Gal. 2:29,30, 6:16, James 1:1 Yes God certainly knows who THEY are.
They are spiritual Israelites. Jas. 1:1, Gal 2:29,30, 6:16. Revelation is largely built on what has been made clear before.
I answered you on that but the video maker has cut me off. A pity
They'll find out on that day. That's not a "reason" whatsoever. I think this guy might be anti Semitic
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I keep seeing 44 everywhere lately, no idea what it means but it’s waaay beyond coincidental now
Synchronicity
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@@Bobsbud100 I love animals but watch out for veganism my friend. Their is quite some evidence we need certain vitamins and amino accids only found in enough amounts in animal products. I do try to buy locally and grass fed, animals who have had a good life.
Same here, I am searching for the meaning everywhere!
Sounds like replacement theology.
Fulfillment Theology is a better term
If that is Replacement Theology, then the Apostle Peter taught it as well. Peter uses terms that were used of Israel and APPLIES them to the Church now. Notice how Peter takes Hosea 2:1; 2:23; Romans 9:25 and identifies God's people as ISRAEL. 1 Peter 2:9 says "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy." Replacement Theology is BETTER labeled FULFILLMENT THEOLOGY.
@@maxstrange7606 agreed
I agree with you, logically symbolic numbers were needed as specific numbers were not possible. At the end of the day all believers who live with love for their fellow humans, animals and our planet are a part of our future earth.. in glory. Thank you so much.
If it represented all believers, it wouldn’t have a precise number
See much confusion in this. The Church is Israelite/Gentile, the ONE NEW MAN of Ephesians 2:11-18 passage, with the Commonwealth of Israel remaining entirely separate, and in unbelief. The 144K are literal Israelites, believers in JC, “raptured” from Mt Sion to heaven at the very conclusion of the first 3.5 years of the 7 years Tribulation, so that they do not enter into the “time of Jacobs’ troubles” or 2nd half of the Tribulation, in the same manner that the Church is caught up to the clouds at the Rapture before the entire Tribulation period begins. The problem is to pay attention to the ‘interpreters’ and rather one ought to listen to the HG instead (1 John 3:20,27 “let no man teach you”). The Church in no way has replaced Israel. Catholicism replaces Israel with herself as the ‘Church’, but you are speaking of the Church as the Body of Christ, that herself has not replaced Israel either.
Thank you for that clarification, it was pretty clear in Revelations. You confirmed it.
@Jose Fernandez-Leon ... actually my friend - you got some things out of order there - the Sealing of my 143,999 brothers & myself will be Sealed - at the beginning of the 2nd Half of the 7 year Tribulation & Gathered ... Won't be any "rapture" either ... A "Resurrection" of the Dead - Yeah! but No "rapture" at all, and; where you said: *_"(1 John _**_3:20_**_,27 “let no man teach you”)."_* ... you got the Wrong Scripture! & only goes up to verse 24 ... Nobody from Any Church - is of the 144,000 as our King pulled us out of them Whore Houses LONG Ago! - if you Really want to Know about us - why not go where the Information is: ua-cam.com/video/NQTCx8h0G-o/v-deo.html Then - Leave a Comment! Looking Forward to hear from you!
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You know the curse about taking away from or adding to the Book of Revelations. These 144,000 will be evangelizing and an angel will also be evangelizing so a lot of people will be getting saved and not taking the mark of The Beast.
I know one man .well to see he believes he,s chosen as 144000.he says he dropped dishes and called out father .in aramic ABBA or yabba .not sure just heard the story ,but know the man to say hello to .I'd love to pick his brain
@Robert Murdock; There's nothing scriptural about what you just said. They will fight with Jesus against the world. There is no preaching mentioned anywhere about them preaching to anyone. Like you said: "You know the curse about taking away from or adding to the Book of Revelations."
@@polo27 They are already chosen and resurrected. They are from the 12 tribes going backwards from when Jesus was here. They are not a future making or resurrection.
Now I need you to show me where it says that 144,000 will be evangelizing? the only thing mentioned is servants(translation may vary), but other than that there is no mentioned of the 144,000 evangelizing, now it clearly says in chapter 14:6 that an angel is the one who will be evangelizing (I am surprised you noticed that) the 144,000 are the remnant of Israel, in the book of Isaiah God says that not all of Israel is Israel, it could be symbolic but it is for sure (my opinion) the remnant of Israel (Judah)
There is no where in scripture that identifies evangelizing for the 144 thousand. This is who they are. ua-cam.com/video/m125BcdTfJA/v-deo.html
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This is awesome - the bible is the literal word of god as long as we like what it’s saying ... when it says something we don’t like, let’s make up some bizarre rationalization proving it’s just a metaphor. Otherwise, the flock won’t keep pouring their money into our pockets. I love it.
John 14:6 - “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.”I love this quote as it absolutely disproves Islam and their belief in Muhammad.
The great crowd live on earth, they are the meek ones who inherit the earth and are ruled over by Christ and his 144,000 annointed ones
Sounds like a prison . After a billion years the meek will get board and want to move on . But the 144000 will not let them off the earth. Think of it this way . Your kids get over 18 years old but you never let them leave home
The possibilities are limitless after the millennium,,,it wont be like prison then or during the millennium, no sickness or death, also, people will be resurrected during this time,,,the great crowd live into the millennium with out experiencing death
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Revelation 14:3-4 is the answer.
I believe they are a prophetical figure that represents a specific identity. Only those things that are freely given to us by God are made available for us to know(1 Corinthians 2:12). These are events that are yet to take place in the future, and God is surely keeping it from our knowledge. Even the apostle Paul admitted that he didn’t know everything there is in the prophecy. He stated that “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part”(1 Corinthians 13:9). There are things in the prophecies that God is keeping from our knowledge because the time for them to be revealed has not yet come. One example is Revelation 19:12 which says “and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, *THAT NO MAN KNEW* , but he himself”. Now, who do you think is one so stupid enough to do a research to know what that written name is? But then further down in the last chapter, we read- “And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads”(Revelation 22:4). So only then if you can wait until the end when that thing is stick in your head that you will come to know the name of God.
No mistaking a WTBTS cult explanation.
They are the male babies that were slain in King Herod times check out Robert Breaker on utube his teaching makes sense
The whole Book of Revelation is a huge, symbolic metaphor. There is no "literal" or time-bound meanings. The number, 144,000, is a symbol of perfection and universality. Christ-likeness is the Key.
This is a long answer to interpret the 144k, a simple number. I found your answer more confusing than helpful. Are there facts in the Bible that should be taken literally?
I love your explanation. Excellent research, good references and parallels.
No. His references are bad and he did not read all the verses pertaining to this subject. He interjected what he wanted and left out what he wanted to fit an idea he has. Read your Bible. Don’t rely on what you hear; research it.
@@christen5042 prove jt
@@helloecko1 doesn't need to. Compare what the Word actually says to what this man says. The two are DIFFERENT. He is pure conjecture. The bible is pure WORD.
His "explanation" is nothing but, "Here's what the Bible says...but I don't like that...so let me cherry-pick parts of verses to twist it into what I wish it said."
He tries to conflate the 144,000 with the "multitude"...but it's made very clear that the 144,000 are Jews while the multitude comes from "all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues."
Please don't believe a word this Bible-denier says. Read it for yourself and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to the truth.
@christen is correct this man just interpreted what he thinks, did you not hear him say I believe see he never says I know, the 144000 isn't actually symbolic as the 12 disciples and 12 tribes, the 144,000 are real people that live at the second coming of Jesus, they are the kingdom and priests mentioned in Rv1, but they are not the only people who go to heaven there is also the great multitude in white
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That was a very good, clear, and strong set of arguments he represented. I appreciated his concise yet understandable explanations. Very profitable to my knowledge of this chapter and that is precisely why I was searching.
I need these kind of answers in book format. He written this or not ?
You should pray to God for more discernment. Don't believe everything you hear.
Revelation 14:1-5 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne
These are virgins men who was ministering in and during the tribulation, and was sealed from the wrath of God, on the earth.
For you are correct. Finally someone posted the correct scripture. Amen
@@scottheld4837 yes the scripture quote is appropos but he does not explain its meaning along with Rev 7 . Go to JW.org and click on Bible questions answered.
@@ralphgoreham3516 For your way is not my way, for my way is not your way. Amen
@@scottheld4837 But what is the truth, can you handle it?
12000 from the 12 tribes of Israel. Possibly meaning a 'fullness' of or Completeness of number. Symbolic perhaps. Also the Israel of God is the new people of God Galatians 6v16
It seems to me a lot of theologians use "symbolism" as their go-to when they haven't gone in-depth enough into scripture to fathom out what or who something is. Throughout end time prophetic scripture we gain insight into who they might be. In some areas, we see the Lord with His holy ones, or saviors or elders and we seem to clump them into some unrecognizable group or the remnant. But when these groups are seen with Christ, in the coming end-time revelations throughout prophecy, then it leads us to question when Jesus returns as accepted through taught theology. Is there a climactic return with his holy army as a final return (yes), but is there a mixture of prophecy indicating Christ returns before He is seen in the clouds in Revelation 19 preparing the remnant for exile or their return? Yes, that is revealed to us as well. Did not Paul receive a visit from Christ on the road to Damascus after His ascension? Is Christ somehow prevented from previous visitations upon His earth because it destroys the narrative we have been told - Christ only returns as the 19th chapter of Revelation reveals? Will He not be revealed in clouds or the cloud of glory when the trumpet sounds and the bride is caught up to Him before that great and terrible Day of the Lord? Sometimes I think there's almost a laziness when symbolism is used in this way instead of truly searching out scripture and meditating/reflecting longer than just coming to conclusions based on an accepted ideology that fits within the parameters of accepted theology. When a highly respected man, based upon his own intellect, comes to a conclusion and it becomes ideology and passed down through the centuries, I do believe God will grant the gift of discernment to dig deeper and allow scripture to reveal the truth even if it destroys an accepted theology with us through the centuries through that gift of discernment given to some. I admit the possibility I am wrong, and the 144,000 are symbolic, but we seem to disregard some areas of scripture and miss the connections with John's Revelation or other scripture. The word is all connected and every verse fits into the revealed mystery of God, who He is, and His plan for His creation. We will only know when we know as we come to the full realization of Christ within us.
Highly respect Southern Seminary. However, this is so controversial that it's safe to say, NO ONE TRULY KNOWS. Great insight though and I love your videos. God has me on a journey of gathering perspectives from all denominations that are prevalent. Keep the videos coming. Blessings from Australia
MC,...We can truly know. It is a symbolic number. That is for 100% certain. Stop gathering perspectives from all or any denominations. The entire church is 100% apostate. You will only become more and more deceived. Read the Bible only and do not listen to anyone from any church.
@@Pepsiguy ,....Don't feel bad, very few can handle the truth, and break free of the indoctrination of the apostate church. I suggest you keep trying to though.
@@Pepsiguy ,.....Are you saying that the entire church is not apostate? Not sure what you mean about condemning over the 144,000?
That number is not a literal number. All those that have become born again know that.
@@tonybasoni8443 Litteral ! So... You are not born again ?
We see you deceivers... The 144,000 will take care of you and you know it !!!
@@dawudkhan1940 ,....You have been deceived by the apostate church that has no actual Biblical understanding. You are just indoctrinated into all their lies and perversions of scripture. You do not understand the Bible. Repent.
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0:45 - The 144,000 doesn't represent all believers, but specifically the descendants of Israel. Further down in Revelation chapter 7, it makes mention of the sea of gentiles coming into the kingdom also. In John's vision, John makes it clear that there are 2 categories of peoples.
You keep studying the 144,000 represents the first fruits! of the uncountable multitudes that cannot be counted...
The blood lines
They are the Sons of God. The men who let truth into their kingdom.
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What about the other religions ?
Yes.... the redeemed ! Finally
Yes the people of God are God's people "by faith" this is how it's always been.. its by what you believe ...it's by faith ..even as Abraham believed in God and it was imputed unto him for righteousness Jesus taught "this is the work of God that you believe on Him whom the father has sent" it's always about faith ..faith is the litmus test for God's people...
John Bear no the people of God are the Israelites
@@woodap5057 yes and no Israel yes is God's people because salvation is to the Jew first but many Israelites are atheists they don't believe in God they are not God's people God's people are believers they believe in God if you don't believe in God you're not God's people
Yes, John. You are correct.
It was the remnant mentioned in Romans that's why it focuses on the genealogies. Some of the first century AD Christians were raptured also at what sounds like the time of just before the temple was fully destroyed 70 AD but some of the Christians fled to Pella also. Rev 12 the woman fleeing into the wilderness sounds like the flight to Pella.
Revelations 7:4-8 4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
Revelations 14:1-4 1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
How can this be? Please recall that thousands of MALE Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish babies were killed in anticipation of the births of both ‘The Deliver of the Hebrew people’, i.e., Moses AND ‘The King of the Jews’, i.e., Jesus. Being killed as babies would mean they are virgins and are with the Lord right now! They are preparing for their great work!
Yes it's a parable, it's not meant to be understood until mal3:1 the messenger of the covenant comes to tell us, he who overcomes in the bible
Interesting perspective. I had not considered this possibility before. Thank you for sharing.
It literally says the 12 Tribes and 12,000 from each. Do not add or subtract from what is written in Revelation. It literally says that too
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What about the bit with Jesus being both lamb and lion at the same time- is he a literally both- a weird mix of the two, or is it a picture?
You are reading your 21st century idea of numbers not meaning anything other than exact value into 2000 year old apocalyptic prophecy where numbers do in fact have meaning other than numerical value. See for example the measurements of the new city in rev 21.
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Jesus also said I give my holy spirit to the holy ghost...
Mean they are 2
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It also says literally that they are all males and all virgins. Literally. I'm with you on not changing the words of the Revelation. I'm just suggestion that this book is filled with symbols.
@@DaleBoyce2012 absolutely. The first verse of revelation says that this book is symbolic in nature.
A number of years ago it was argued that the Jews would never return to their ancient homeland of Judea and Samaria because they had been scattered among the nations (read what Voltaire wrote about this) However, today, not only have the Jews returned to the land but they also speak their ancient language of Hebrew. My point is...what's impossible for man is not impossible for God. What man cannot understand does not, in any way, negate what God has said. Finally, the book of Daniel is quite descriptive of what would take place in the end days and during the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy concerning the Jewish people/nation.
The synagogue of satan are in Israel - those who say they are Isaraelites but are not.
I've been targeted for 30 years and I believe because I'm one of the 144 000, IL go live with my 12 apostles
God doesn’t always write in “literal”
I'm curious, why would a loving father send his son/daughter on errand to a strange land with less than 'literal' map/guide to the destination when indeed he's all-knowing? Will you do that to your own son or daughter?
@@ayoelufisan6275 That's sort of an unimportant distinction to make. It doesn't matter if your guide is a poem, a work of music, or a literal instruction book, it what matters what ideas are presented, what themes are represented, and what is emphasized. Abstract ideas can be more widely applicable and impactful than literal ideas. Jesus spoke in parables. David wrote songs and poems.
God being loving is irrelevant to how he equips us. If you are under the impression that the love of God is a helicoper-parent sort of love that prevents hurt, sickness, trial and failure than you are sadly mistaken. His love is fulfilled perfectly in his sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for a humanity which despises him. We are not entitled to anything other than repentance.
@wolfen244 Extra-ordinary claim I must say.
@wolfen244 It can't be both.
Isaiah 49:6 Aside from the Tribes of Israel, the Natsir of Israel is also mentioned. What does Natsir, Natsar, or Natsari mean?
Convenient to say the 144,000 is "symbolic" so that you can claim it refers to Christians.
Yeah...he's wrong, because he does not understand the reason Dan and Ephraim were left out...they are the two tribes that set up idols in their territories so that Israelites from the ten tribes would not go to Jerusalem and worship the true God. Those idols were calves, the same as when Aaron made them a calve in the wilderness. This list is God's way of retribution against the entrenched idolatry amongst His own people.
Iam Hudsdent
I believe they are a prophetical figure that represents a specific identity. Only those things that are freely given to us by God are made available for us to know(1 Corinthians 2:12). These are events that are yet to take place in the future, and God is surely keeping it from our knowledge. Even the apostle Paul admitted that he didn’t know everything there is in the prophecy. He stated that “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part”(1 Corinthians 13:9). There are things in the prophecies that God is keeping from our knowledge because the time for them to be revealed has not yet come. One example is Revelation 19:12 which says “and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, *THAT NO MAN KNEW* , but he himself”. Now, who do you think is one so stupid enough to do a research to know what that written name is? But then further down in the last chapter, we read- “And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads”(Revelation 22:4). So only then if you can wait until the end when that thing is stick in your head that you will come to know the name of God.
And perhaps one will ask after: “But how can he know that name sticked in his forehead? Can he see it? Do they have mirror there in heaven?” The answer is simple. Just ask another fellow beside you.
The 144,000 are already in heaven they are the old testament saints who didn't defile themselves. Steve Anderson explains this very well.
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@@pennylockhart4761 The book of Revelation clearly says that the choosing of the 144,000 lies in the future during the Tribulation...that hasn't happened yet...so it has nothing to do with O.T. saints.
He’s makes so some good valid points but I have to disagree with him on this he speaks from a theological point of view and there’s nothing wrong with that but……
He's wrong
Good scholarly work. I am an old regular Baptist. I was baptized by my Grandfather the reverend J.W. Pratt 08-08-1988 in the north fork of the Kentucky river at Cornettsville, Kentucky. My Papaw Pratt preached for 55 years and was Pastor at Little Leatherwood ORB Church. I had experienced an appearance of the glorified glowing Christ who placed a white stone in my right hand that had my name written in it. It was a name that means victory which I had before this world was created. It identified who I am in him. It is the white stone of prophecy. I am protected like all Christians and likewise God is my avenger. I have had prophetic visions of his return. And, I can often speak things into being especially when I really need to. I have to be careful with my words. I am just a mere mortal man who is a sinner like everyone else. But, I know Jesus is real. Biblical Faith is not believing things you don't know. It is direct knowing imparted as a gift from God. The Jehovah Witnesses refer to the 144,000 as the John class who will lead and rule over the flock when Jesus comes in the clouds with his angels singing a new song About New Jerusalem, the heavenly city of God descending from the sky with him to the Earth. But, I agree with this scholar somewhat in that though having different gifts and calling from the Savior, no one will be ranked above or considered better than anyone else. We will become one with the savior who is one with the Father. We will be more than conquerers in him forever. Time will be no more. He is ever present with us. Eternity exists only in the now. God is the spirit of love.True worship is awareness of his living, loving, healing, overcoming presence now. What matters most of all is understanding and acknowledging that truth and loving our neighbors as ourselves unconditionally without judgement just as he loves us.
Interesting to read your lines. I believe the teacher here is right. And find your experience interesting. This may not be the right place or time to tell about devine experiences, but why not. Dare to tell about devine interventions. I was once in a horrible situation, facing 2 strangers persons about to attack me.
Suddenly one of them screemed and lost his grip on me. The other gasped and they looked with the greatest fear on something behind and over me. A woman came from a house near by, the men ran for their lives, holding their hands on the ears for some reason. The woman tok my arm and had me sit down. " Didnt you see her?" she said. I shook my head, the men probably had planned to murder and or rob me. The woman told me she had seen the mightiest angel behind and over me. It had lit up the air. The sight was so breathtaking she understood at once what was happening. She was a lovely person. Her husband came to us and smiled, he had seen the angel too. I didnt see the angel. But I learned they exist and work in ways we most often dont see or understand. Our Lord really loves us. ❤.
We have our creators name written in our DNA
Your on the right track
This is part of the clue
It is written
Absolutely, but we are not going to be explicit on how we were created.
Did the media television tell you that?
Definitely don't take the vaccine it will rewrite the DNA
The Lord knows who is part of which tribe.
Doug Martin
The answer is in Revelation 14:3-4. But I believe they are a prophetical figure that represents a specific identity when they were introduced in the early chapter. Only those things that are freely given to us by God are made available for us to know(1 Corinthians 2:12). These are events that are yet to take place in the future, and God is surely keeping it from our knowledge. Even the apostle Paul admitted that he didn’t know everything there is in the prophecy. He stated that “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part”(1 Corinthians 13:9). There are things in the prophecies that God is keeping from our knowledge because the time for them to be revealed has not yet come. One example is Revelation 19:12 which says “and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, *THAT NO MAN KNEW* , but he himself”. Now, who do you think is one so stupid enough to do a research to know what that written name is? But then further down in the last chapter, we read- “And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads”(Revelation 22:4). So only then if you can wait until the end when that thing is stick in your head that you will come to know the name of God.
Doug Martin 144,000
I wanted to send the Bible verses that help us know (with and through the word) who the 144,000 are....
First and foremost the Church that Jesus built and purchased with His precious blood is comprised of "believing" Jews and Gentiles in this Church Age of Grace.
But Roman's 11 makes clear that in Israel there exists a remnant who DO NOT believe. And scripture makes clear that they are in blindness until a certain time...for them is reserved the Time of Jacob's Trouble...and That Time of Jacob's Trouble happens within that 7 year period that has the Great Tribulation in it.
We read:
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and THE REST WERE BLINDED.
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness IN PART is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from JACOB:
---THE REMNANT that we see in Revelation 7:1-4, who are on the earth during the 70th week, (that 7 year period of time that has within it the Great Tribulation & Time of Jacob's trouble) are the "REMNANT" that today during this Church Age of Grace are in blindness, they reject who Jesus is....but the Lord has promised he will open their eyes and they will believe.
There is a fulness ot the Gentiles...(Roman's 11:25)
And there is a fulness of Israel...(Roman's 11:11-12).
And the fulness of the Gentiles is BEFORE the fulness of Israel...
There is a distinction between the Church (Rev. 4 & 5), the 144,000 (Rev. 7:1-4, Rev. 14) and the Tribulation Saints (Rev. 6:9, Rev. 7:9).
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Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.
The 144,000 are the Remnant that Paul makes clear in Roman's 11 are in blindness until the fulness ot the Gentiles comes in...and they are seen on the earth in Rev. 7:1-4 as just getting sealed before the four Angel's hurt the earth and sea.
---You see, when I started this Bible Study group, as the Holy Spirit put in my heart, I wanted a group that was not afraid to dive into the word and truly study it...we call it "The Berean Bible Study Group."
I did not want a group who went for the milk of the word, but who wanted to dig deep in scripture and study "ALL" that the Lord has given us as the Bread of Life...into the meat of it.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
WE ARE TOLD:
1 Thessalonians 5: 20 “Despise not prophesyings.”
"..... the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Revelation 19:10
Revelation 3:3 “Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.”
Mark 13:37 King James Version (KJV)
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
THE WORD WATCH IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IS:
Strong's Concordance
grégoreó: to be awake, to watch
Original Word: γρηγορέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: grégoreó
Phonetic Spelling: (gray-gor-yoo'-o)
Definition: to be awake, to watch
Usage: (a) I am awake (in the night), watch, (b) I am watchful, on the alert, vigilant.
HELPS Word-studies
1127 grēgoreúō - literally, "stay awake"; (figuratively) be vigilant (responsible, watchful).
PROPHECY is important. With more tenacity we should be about our Father's business knowing the hour.
We are Jesus Ambassadors on earth. Five of the most important aspects of a Christian's walk is this:
1.) Share the Gospel and LOVE with a Christ like heart....
2.) The Church is to edify one another. Any gift the Lord has given us should be used to edify the body. To whom much is given, much is expected.
3.) Pray ceaselessly.
4.) Eat the Spiritual Food we have been given which sanctifies. (WORD OF GOD)
5.) Comfort one another with the words which describes the Resurection, knowing God does not lie and His promises are sure as His word will not return void.
We are to grow in Christ.
Today there are false teachers, false preachers, wolves in sheep's clothing, etc., it is IMPERATIVE that we stand on the word rightly divided-and not waver.
Raphael The 144,000 are NOT the Church, they are the REMNANT from ISRAEL (Jacob/12 Tribes) that we read in Romans 11 are in temporary blindness UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles comes in....
The church is seen in Revelation 4&5 singing the New Song of redemption BY JESUS BLOOD, out of every kindred, tongue, people and nations.
The 144,000 are FROM ISRAEL (Jacob/12 Tribes).
PRETRIBULATION PROOF
Let God be true and every man a liar...(Roman's 3:4)....
Did you know that in the Old Testament "24" was used to describe a GROUP of people LARGER than 24?
24 was used in the Old Testament TWICE to represent a LARGER group:
1.) King David divided the Levitical priesthood into 24 orders, (1 Chronicles 24:3-5). Each order represented the entire priestly tribe and the whole nation of Israel as it functioned before God.
2.) In 1 Chronicles 25 King David did a similar dividing into 24 of the singers and musicians who would perform worship in the Temple. There were 288 musicians total and King David had them divided into 24 divisions, so similar to the previous chapter, 24 symbolizes the whole group.
Now I want to show you something....
In the prophetic book of Revelation (which literally means UNVEILING), we see a group described as "24 Elders" in heaven BEFORE Jesus opens the first seal (Rev. 4 & 5).
Now I hear people try to say that the 24 Elders are simply the 12 original Apostles/Disciples of the Lord and the 12 Original sons of Jacob from where the 12 Tribes of Israel came from....
Two scriptural facts debunk that:
1.) The Disciples were Jews, NOT out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation....the sons of Jacob (Jacob was Isaac’s son, Isaac was Abraham’s son) were Hebrew, as the Bible makes clear that Abraham was called a Hebrew in Genesis 14:13, and even Joseph-one of the 12 Tribes was also referred to as a Hebrew in Genesis 39:14.
2.) The Bible states clearly that NO ONE but Jesus has ascended up to heaven but He that came from heaven; and Hebrews 11 makes clear that even those of Old Testament times to whom the promises were made (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. SHALL NOT be made perfect without us (Church). Romans 8 states that we shall be GLORIFIED TOGETHER. So keep that in mind when you read that there is a group in heaven clothed in white raiment (glorified), crowned and seated on the throne at rest; singing about being redeemed by Jesus blood out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation.
The Jewish apostle and 12 Sons of Jacob were NOT “out of every kindred, tongue people and nation".
We cannot ignore that the group in Revelation 4 & 5 describes themselves as "out of every kindred, tongue, people and nation" which has ALWAYS been a LARGE group in scripture.
REMEMBER:
24 was used in the Old Testament TWICE to represent a LARGER group:
1.) King David divided the Levitical priesthood into 24 orders, (1 Chronicles 24:3-5). Each order represented the entire priestly tribe and the whole nation of Israel as it functioned before God.
2.) In 1 Chronicles 25 King David did a similar dividing into 24 of the singers and musicians who would perform worship in the Temple. There were 288 musicians total and King David had them divided into 24 divisions, so similar to the previous chapter, 24 symbolized the whole group.
In their description, EVERYTHING we read about the 24 Elders are things ONLY promised to the CHURCH.
The 24 Elders are crowned with GOLD KINGLY CROWNS OF SALVATION -see Rev. 4.....(now read 2 Timothy 4:8, Psalm 21:1-7)....
The 24 Elders are clothed in white Raiment and seated at rest in the throne with Jesus in their midst (overcomer promises from Jesus HIMSELF-Rev. 3:5, 3:21 ), ....
You must understand that the Bible interprets itself. We learn what an OVERCOMER is in the Holy Word and truth:
1 John 5:4-5 (KJV)
4 For whatsoever is BORN OF GOD overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?
An OVERCOMER is a born again believer in Christ.
The 24 Elders in Rev. 4 & 5 sing in the FIRST PERSON PLURAL (we, our, us) even in the original manuscripts; and they describe themselves as REDEEMED BY JESUS BLOOD, OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, TONGUE, PEOPLE AND NATION;
They also sing about being made KINGS AND PRIESTS and about REIGNING. (All exclusively promised ONLY to the Church).
Now, what is the original Greek word translated to "ELDER" in the Original language and it's meaning?
An ELDER of which Peter called himself one (1 Peter 5),...is as follows:
HELPS Word-studies
4245 presbýteros - properly, a mature man having seasoned judgment (experience); an elder.
Therefore an "Elder" is a mature person having experience to judge.
Remember that as we grow in Christ we go from milk to meat in our understanding. Babies start off on formula, then as they mature they can drink milk, then eat solids. Our walk with Christ is one of growth and even in our understanding of the meat of the word we do grow and mature.
WHO is promised to JUDGE WITH CHRIST according to the word?
1 Corinthians 6:2 (KJV)
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? .....
Jude. 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
WE MUST STAND ON THE TRUTH OF THE WORD-RIGHTLY DIVIDED. WE MUST FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS IN ISAIAH 28:9-10 WHICH IS "HOW" SCRIPTURES MAKES CLEAR WE ARE TO UNDERSTAND DOCTRINE.
Again-keep in mind that the BIBLE which is truth makes clear that WE SHALL BE GLORIFIED TOGETHER (Roman's 8:16-18).....and that no one from Old Testament times of which the promises were first made [Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah etc.], shall be made perfect (glorified) without us. (Hebrews 11:39-40).
That group in Rev. 4 & 5 can ONLY be (according to the WORD AND TRUTH), no one else BUT THE FAITHFUL CHURCH. If you do not argue against what the WORD OF GOD (JESUS) Himself shows us in the REVELATION (unveiling) OF JESUS CHRIST, you can see the truth of it.
THE FAITHFUL CHURCH shall be in heaven, joint heirs with Christ BEFORE Jesus opens that first seal.
In the first seal, it is JESUS HIMSELF (while He is in heaven) who unleashes that crowned rider in Rev. 6 at the START of that 7 year period, that has the GREAT TRIBULATION IN IT.
Jesus unleashes the Antichrist (the only one who shall have a KINGDOM on earth during that 7 year period that has the great tribulation in it, is the Antichrist), Jesus Millennial Kingdom is after that time... -
THE ANTICHRIST KINGDOM is comprised of the false prophet, the antichrist, the dragon, the 10 kings who shall give the Antichrist their power and he in turn makes them part of his antichrist kingdom, and MYSTERY BABYLON.
Jesus ALONE is worthy to open those seals, and it is only after His bride is up safely, seated on the throne with Jesus in her midst (Rev. 4&5), ....that Jesus unleashes the Antichrist (first seal) in his full conquering power, in order for him to CONFIRM (magnify/strengthen) THE covenant with MANY, which begins that 7 year period.
Jesus unleashes the Antichrist only after the Church is in heaven, because judgement FIRST BEGINS in the HOUSE OF GOD.
Then the Antichrist CONFIRMS THE COVENANT WITH MANY (which begins that 7 year period that this Antichrist figure will break-3 1/2 years AFTER he confirms it)....
JESUS HIMSELF shows us a pre-tribulation always Rapture by presenting the Church in her position of inheritance and promise in Revelation 4 & 5.
Family of Christ, of all the warnings in scripture, one of the most serious FROM JESUS HIMSELF is against those who take away or add to what REVELATION says:
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
IF HAVING YOUR PART TAKEN OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE FOR TAKING AWAY FROM WHAT IS IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION, MEANS THAT YOUR NAME SHALL NOT BE FOUND IN THAT BOOK....PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR ETERNAL PORTION SHALL BE FOR HAVING TAKEN OUT OF WHAT IS IN THE BOOK WE ARE TO RECEIVE BLESSINGS FOR HEARING AND READING....
Revelation 20:15 (KJV)
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT BELIEVE ALL THAT THE WORD OF OF GOD HAS SAID?
So we ought to carefully study and rightly divide especially what is in Revelation. And we are to let the Holy Bible interpret itself.
We are to FEAR GOD, which is the BEGINNING of wisdom...AND let GOD be true and EVERY man-no matter the bells and whistles or outward appearance of righteousness any man carries, if what you want is what came from God, STAND FIRM nothing wavering on what God said, studied and rightly divided-in the manner we are told to study in Isaiah 28:9-10
The Word And truth-FROM GODNOTMEN
So, you believe that the church is up there in heaven when the tribulation begins? That means the gathering together had already been finished before the tribulation. A pretribulation view of the rapture, as what many scholars dubbed it. I believe that the church will go through the tribulation.
@@thewordandtruth-fromgodnot8310 Hi Brother. email me any topics close to your heart. lyndonrehh@gmail.com If you can if not i understand. God bless
I’ve never heard this view. Im not convinced though. It doesn’t make sense to take a passage that seems to be objective in saying there are 144,000 people sealed and they each come from one of the 12 tribes and then claim that that’s symbolic
Revelation 21:17 says who they are.
That is talking about the new Jerusalem..however you've touched on a very important point.
If you read rev 7 and 14..its clear that the 144,000 are co ruler with Jesus..the new Jerusalem represents the new Government or Gods kingdom..
With the new Kings..
These as you really read are the little flock , ones like the apostles, the first disciples..and those that are chosen by God.
Jesus promised his close followers that they would be kings...we read this several times..the ones that stick out are at the last supper, and after the rich man...
So clearly these men are included in the 144,000 kings ..what a wonderful arrangement...God is surely justice, mercy, and wisdom.
On the night before Jesus’ death what prospect did he set before his apostles?
IT WAS on the night before Jesus was put to death that he told his faithful apostles: ‘In the house of my Father there are many abodes. I am going my way to prepare a place for you, that where I am you also may be.’ He further said to them: “I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom.” (John 14:2, 3; Luke 22:29) What a marvelous prospect he set before them!
However, Jesus did not mean that only those apostles would rule with him in his heavenly Kingdom. Later it was made known that 144,000 redeemed from the earth would have that grand privilege. (Rev. 5:9, 10; 14:1, 4) Are some today reaching out to lay hold of it?
After John the Baptizer was imprisoned by Herod Antipas, Jesus undertook an intense campaign of public preaching in which he focused attention on “the kingdom of the heavens.” (Matt. 4:12, 17) He made people aware that there would be opportunity for them to enter that Kingdom, and his disciples earnestly reached out for that prize.-Matt. 5:3, 10, 20;7:21; 11:12.
At Pentecost of 33 C.E. the first of them were anointed with holy spirit. (Acts 2:1-4; 2 Cor. 1:21, 22) God’s provision for salvation leading to immortal heavenly life was made known. Peter used “the keys of the kingdom of the heavens” to open up this knowledge-first to the Jews, next to the Samaritans, and then to people of the Gentile nations. (Matt. 16:19) Special attention was being given to making up the government that would rule mankind for 1,000 years, and nearly all the inspired letters in the Christian Greek Scriptures are primarily directed to this group of Kingdom heirs-“the holy ones,” “partakers of the heavenly calling.”
@@jenanielson when you said the one's that stick out are at the last supper, the verses about how the 144,000 greet Christ at Mount Zion when He returns stuck out to me. Good stuff in ur comments thanks
@@ryanteuscher7996 thank you....but they dont greet him on mount zion..they are standing with him on mt Zion..which represents Gods Kingdom in heaven...and if you notice the verses after that speak of the new song only those 144,000 can master..this song represents their given authority of kingship..as co- rulers with Christ..
And from what we read in other scriptures we see this group of annointed includes the apostles and most first century Christians..read the account of Pentecost..
This is the spiritual birth of Israel..and the establishment of Gods kingdom..
Also in Rev 21 the apostles are the foundation ..
And also 1Thess is speaking of those with this annointed heavenly calling..( most dont understand this and think it's for all the"church")for they have to be raised from the sleeping state of the grave to able to take their stand on my Zion..
And this happens after the tribulation starts but before the battle of Armageddon..because we know Jesus as King comes to fill the vengeance of Gods wrath against those opposing him..which is what Kings do..
And we know the 144,000 are with him because they follow him wherever he goes.
I might add that the scriptures do not teach that we go to heaven when we die..but return to the ground and are asleep in death awaiting the resurrection. .
If you read eccl 9 its clear..
Also compare to what is said about John the Baptist and king David..both have not ascended to heaven.
The teaching of an immortal soul is incorrect..and its origin is in Babylon..
I could give you more on this if you want.
I have devoted my life to God and am doing the best I can to help other come to an accurate understanding of him, his son and teach others the truth from the bible..as Jesus commanded.so I'd be happy to help.
@@jenanielson
sure here's my email send me what you got hebrews_10_30@protonmail.com
Not at all! At Revelation 7, the Church will be long gone to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
Marilyn Bennett man I hope so 🙏🏾
AMEN
And what a supper it will be,...and the party after?
By asking this I'm not comparing myself and your biblical knowledge.Jesus mentioned as the lion of tribe of Judah the root of David is it symbolic and Judah listed first is it symbolic?
Professor Robert L. Thomas wrote regarding the figure 144,000 mentioned at Revelation 7:4: “It is a definite number in contrast with the indefinite number of 7:9. If it is taken symbolically, no number in the book can be taken literally.”-Revelation 1-7: An Exegetical Commentary, page 474.
This is one of those things, in my opinion that God will reveal in it's time, but now we do not know. And maybe we are not supposed to, right now
Yes we are, please go to JW.org, click on Bible questions answered.
@@ralphgoreham3516 thanks carm.org/read-this-first-jehovahs-witnesses
@@ralphgoreham3516 they are the male babies that were slain in King Herod times check out Robert Breaker on utube
Who are the Elders then?
144000 stones for pyramid Giza , 144000 petals for the crown chakra .... 12 tribes ( heart chakra) . So 144000 is the sing of awakening or enlightment of each of us !
Crown charkta 144,000 Mind blown up by a nucellar bomb.
Maranatha Father! I pray for You and Your army of Angels. Give them strength, wisdom, and armor so they can guide the true Will. Thank You so much for the constant blessings here on Earth. I am forever in debt to You and can’t wait to work for you the rest of eternity. You must have so much more in store. Another Earth? More battles. More Creations? I continue to awe over Your brilliance every day. Please scoop us ASAP. I will be here and never waver from the Chessed You instilled in me from day 1. They told me you were just an imaginary friend I called, Dude. But now I know who the Dude really was and The Dude abides to His Covenant. This is solemn Truth! In Your Son’s beautiful Name, Jesus Christ, I pray laugh live love die eat sleep run walk drive talk sing and will die, Amen!
This dude just made such a simple verse, so complicated... It is unbelievable how so many people make the Bible in general complicated.
I understood it fine, context is everything. You can’t just read the Bible at face value.
Jehovah and jesus loves you and they want you to know the truth they want you to live forever on a paradise earth forever and learning more truth forever and the truth will set you free
Can you guys talk about the 2 witnesses ? I would love to hear you guys input on that topic
wjwn dkd stop lying. Revelation is a book of prophecy according to rev 1:1-3. Meaning to say it needs to happen in the future and someone comes in the rol of “John”. The revelation is given to God, jesus, angel, John. How can you be the witness?
The AoC Network on UA-cam does a really good job explaining the 2 witnesses.
Melanie Phanthala I have watched both movies AoC put out. I just like to hear different ideas
The 2 witnesses are Moses and Elijah.
Marko Grishan how so?
Judgment (pestilence): Plot against an anointed of God.
"Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them".
Jeremiah 11:11
It doesn't matter if you are a Christian, if you are amongst 144000; you know it when it's time and you know you're chosen and have a higher calling, protected at all times by the universe and angels. And that is because you go through the severe hardships in life you can hide so gracefully because you are blessed with spiritual powers beyond normal men. And those hardships are divinely orchestrated to make you strong and lead you to where you are meant to be.
144,000 is a drop in the bucket
@@mgman2640 just a drop? Naah..
Excellent
Yes.theyareprotected.byuniverse.andangels.bloodshed.ofjesus.you.sr.highly.divineperson.i.think..thanksfor.response.christian
Father's name on the forhead almost feels like maybe everyone can see it but the person with the name on forhead. Maybe they realize it later? But everyone else knew . Kinda like the game with a card taped to forhead
Great arguments and points you make on this issue.
I am confused how to reconcile Revelation 14 with the idea that 144,00 represents all Christians. I am not disputing it only trying to reconcile Rev 14:3-4 "They have kept themselves as pure as virgins"........They have told no lies, they are without blame"
This brings into question, if this number represents all Christians, what about Christians that haven't done that?
I know that Christians fall into sin. According to 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 2, we have an advocate on our behalf if we sin.
Are these Christians (and I have been one of them) fall into this number of the redeemed??
or is a certain group of people that lived their lives perfectly???
I hope I am making my point clear here!
I think these symbolic interpretations should have gone by the wayside in 1948. Great video.
The opposite is true. The fake Jews are trying to make Spiritual things into physical. You should read the Bible more to figure out who God's chosen are.
If there was ever a guide to triggering dispys this was it. Great explanation.
If you aren’t convinced by the plain meaning of the text, you are too hard to convince.
12,000 from each of the enumerated tribes.
But, hasn't the church already been raptured by the time that the 144,000 evangelists are first referenced?
No. The church is caught up to meet the Lord in the air (I Thess.) when He returns once and for all.
Is a person saved based on their eschatology or their faith in Jesus Christ?
Yes, but that's before the Great Tribulation. The 144,000 evangelists show up during the Great Tribulation.
IYearn4HisReturn You believe having they right view of eschatology is a matter of salvation? If Dr Schreiner is wrong on this matter he’s unsaved?
@IYearn4HisReturn On the flip-side of the coin: one can have a correct view of God, but not real faith. "You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder!" (James 2:19). True faith is not just knowing who the real Jesus is, but believing that He is Lord and that He rose from the dead (Romans 10). For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Rom. 10:13) It really is as simple as calling out to Jesus to save you. He promises to do it. I would suspect that each of us currently have wrong ideas about God that God will correct over time as He sanctifies us with the truth found in His word.
Why do I keep seeing 144 every day?
Maybe God wants you to see this....
KD01 yes, but why?
@@carlotta2118 Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. He rose from the dead.
If you believe in Him, you will be forgiven all sins, and saved.
If you're already a believer, then be assured that you are already forgiven, God loves you.
You might be a star seed, light worker or twin flame
Ethereal Vixen that’s not biblical. That’s new age Satan’s deception.
Around 4 minutes and 30 seconds you mentioned John speaking on the Jews does that mean that this John is the John the Baptist ever speaking of is he speaking of past tense tribes or is he speaking of the current Jews during the times of jesus?
The literal interpretation does not fit his position so he has to attempt to explain away the meaning. This is evidence that Jesus is coming soon because deception is on every corner.
@David Struyk What part are we in then?
@David Struyk So what are you saying? We are in the first , second seal , etc…
@@losgoodmusicmandrell8371 Isaiah right before the israelites last exudous and the beginning of the Antichrist first apearence in revelations
@@bonniebonnie9388 144,000 are a literal number of the preserved Jewish remnant that flee to the wilderness as mentioned in rev 12. Rev 14 calls them virgins and first fruits. Now with that in mind read romans 11, Isaiah 10:20, Jeremiah 31, psalm 68, and Hosea 9.