Is tithing biblical?
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- "Should christians tithe? Is tithing required in the New Testament?"
Dr. Thomas Schreiner answers in Honest Answers | Episode 35
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From Leo: I have never tithed under any compulsion. I have never tried to purchase my salvation for 10% of my income. That said, it gives me great joy to sacrificially contribute to the needs of the local church, the support of missionaries, the aid to widows and orphans, the charity to the injured, old and sick, etc. Evangelistic outreaches have expenses that I am glad to support. Somewhere it is written that your money goes where your heart goes. After several decades I am here to say that I have been in some lean times and some fat times, but I have always had all my needs met. Praise GOD!
Praise God! I feel the same!
Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
LOVE this.
@@-----Disciple----------- And what does this have to do with tithing in context? NOTHING!
@@Jeremyb2023 Yeah Praise God, you're both wrong!
Free will giving is a choice. Christianity is a relationship not a religion.
This interpretation seems most valid. I myself have always tithed at 10% and much more and God has always met all my financial needs. Praise God.
My question is does he meet your needs because you tithe or because you were justified by the blood of Jesus and made right with him through his death?
@@khaya77mpe77 good question,so many people come to god cause they know what they can benefit from it
Joe, your reply is very subjective. Is it written in the Bible where it says that if you give 10% or more to the local church that God will meet your financial needs?
@@jindodogg bro, see Malachi 3:10 if I remember correctly, God promised to open the door of the store house of heaven and pour out blessings upon you.... in such manner that you yourself do not have enough storage to put them in...
If you don't tithe he will still meet ur financial need always, he didn't bless u because u enrich ur Pastor ur 10% money income. Thinkorsink thinkorstink unplugged
I became a Christian in 1982 and was taught to tithe. However, I was also taught that tithing was the beginning of giving, not the end of it. We still tithe, but we also give beyond that.
Did that same church also teach you to disobey God's commandments by keeping God's Sabbath on SUNday?
@@firestarter105G how many of the commandment you have kept?
And how many commandments do i have to disobey to be worthy of damnation?
@@joramerandio3125 Salvation is a gift of YHWH and cannot be purchased by doing anything. 1 John 1:3-4 Now by this we know Him, if we keep his commandments
He who says "I know Him" and does not keep his commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him.
read: Hebrews 10:26-29 hope that helps.
@@firestarter105G Christ is the sabbath.
Until now some early Christians looking for a literal day of sabbath.
Thats why Christ is inviting us to come unto him to give us rest.
If your conviction says that you should worship God on saturday only then do it condemning other Christian who worship God on sunday is not biblical.
@@joramerandio3125 I am not condemning anyone for anything, I am only clearing up wrongfully taught misinformation to cover up a fraud. Christ said: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matt.5:19 Yes Yashua is the Sabbath, but only after the millennium starts when he returns. Gen. 2:3 clearly defines what day the sabbath is until His return. The Scripture is clear who would change times and laws and history clearly shows us when and who did it. I'll not tell any one what day to keep holy but I will warm you that there is a time coming when true believers will have to make a choice. I pray each makes the right choice, May the Holy Spirit be your guide. Shalom
I have been choosing to tithe since April 2017. I have noticed a huge change in my life since I do it cheerfully & faithfully! I am having my best financial year ever & my marriage was on the brink of divorce, and has since reconciled! God is good!
Praise God for reconciliation and restoration.
Please pray for my marriage. We're divorced, but I'm hopeful God will restore
Good for you but it's from tithes
You can do what you want with your money,you can give to the church 10%,15% or 20% as long as it comes from your heart,
without being forced to or being lied to and not being insulted or offended.
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If you tithe, you must follow the other 635 laws. NOT JUST 1!
This was a good video, but I wish it had mentioned 2 Corinthians 9:7 explicitly, which reads (in the KJV):
"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver."
Evan Sowards he did in an implicit way
we also can give as giving , not the tiths
the context was a specific purpose, relief for the Jerusalem Church during a famine.
It was mentioned here
Cheerful giving and tithing are two different things. Tithe is a specific amount any less is robbery. Cheerful giving is giving to God what he has put into your heart joyfully. No specific amount.
God doesn’t want your money, He wants your heart. Where your money is, there your heart will be also.
Silver Fox Productions Well stated truth. 🙏🏾
The Bible is also clear that you cannot buy your way into heaven. However, I know that. So is my heart in the giving? Isn't helping the idea and the amount only controversial.
Read Luke 11:42b it says, "You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.
That is right, so it is not about that numbers of giving but heart to give to God.
But my money isn't where my heart is, my time is more valuable to me. In my case donating time to my local church, neighbors, friends, etc. is sacrificial--especially when it's 2 or 3 times a week. *just an example that its not all about money as so many others have clearly stated...
This is probably one of the best explanations of this issue that I have heard.
As a Christian, I believe in the tithe, but, although I think it should be done to acknowledge God's provision in our life, I do not believe that it is compulsory. The bible says "God loves a cheerful giver". A person can hardly be cheerful when they are compelled to do something. But I believe a part of the contention over the teaching "to" tithe is due solely on people who do not want to give. They do not want to give so any teaching on any amount of giving is viewed as compulsory.
In my estimation, the best rule is laid out in the bible, "let each one of you give as you have purposed in his heart".
@Premium Clips has nothing to do with greed. It's ironic that left leaning people want to scream about seperation of Church and State and yet when they go into the voting booth, they vote for people who campaign on allegedly caring about the poor.
They will surrender their tax dollars willingly to a corrupt politician who claims to want to establish all these programs to "care" for the underprivileged. And yet raise holy hell if a preacher on television asks for a contribution to follow the biblical mandate of, "making sure there is food in God's house" and "caring for widows and orphans".
One thing to keep in mind, both that corrupt leftist politician who mishandles the people's tax dollars, and the preacher who is perverse in his stewardship of God's money, will one day give an account for violating the trust placed in them when people give their money for a specific use.
@Premium Clips I did at the end of my comment. I may not have cited chapter and verse, and given that it was from memory and not verbatim, some may call it a paraphrase but I did "quote a verse".
Given that you did not recognize that verse tells me that any further discussion to meet your demand would be a waste of my time!
Love your neighbor the same way you love yourself.
If you study the word tithes and every time it is mentioned in the Old Testament, it was never interpreted as money 💰. It was always related to grain, wheat, fruit, and animal offering. It was to support the Levitical priesthood and their duties in the temple. It was under the Moisaic Covenant. Once you read Malichi 3:10 with tithes understood as food, you can easily see it refers to food and not money. Then, another valid point is that Jesus never taught or commanded the discipline to take up tithes.. Then, after Jesus' death, burial, and Resurrection, we are under the New Covenant. Hebrew 7:5 states tithes were taken up according to the law(old Covenant). The book of Hebrew speaks about a better Covenant and Jesus becoming our High Priest of a new and better Covenant.
@@wyliegreen9077 The word "tithe" means simply 10 %. Jesus taught "Give and it shall be given unto you, pressed down, shaken together, and running over shall men give into your boosum".
In the Old Testament, the children of Israel were "producers", they had vineyards, oliveyards, and all manner of agricultural production, so the act of giving the "first fruits" was accepted as commerce. In our day and age, in lieu of agricultural enterprises people have jobs and earn money so the "first fruits" of their labor is money.
You correctly reference Malachi, but the whole verse says "Bring all the tithe into the storehouse, that there may be meat (food), in my house". Come forward in time and Jesus referenced the religious leaders casting their "tithe" (money), into the treasury in the teaching of "the Widow's mites". So, Biblically, the "first fruits" can be monetary.
I find it ironic, that people will vote for political candidates that will tax you to death, to supposedly give to the poor (one of the jobs of the church), and yet stand so adamantly against "tithing" to the church, that it may do it's proper job.
In giving to God, it is incumbent on every person to be a wise steward of what God gives you, and be sure you sew it into a ministry that will do God's work. But, if a person purposes in their heart to set aside 10%, 20%, or 50% of their income, and give it to God, by way of a particular ministry, it is between that person and God. They have done what they felt lead of the Lord to do and it is no one else's concern. If that particular ministry misuses that money, they are accountable to God for their poor stewardship.
But anyone who says that a person who supports their church financially, and calls that financial support their tithe, is guilty of some sin and is going to hell. That person needs to examine themselves because they have judged the child of God, and Jesus said, "Judge not, lest ye be judged".
I never wondered before, where the money went. I assumed, it went to the pastor, his family and others in need. But when I became a widow 18 months ago I assumed someone at the church would contact me since my husband tithed and gave big offerings in church for years. Days turned into weeks and months. No one seems to acknowledge me. I was shocked. My sister became a widow. She struggled to pay tithes and complains often about the house and car repairs. I don't want to shake her faith but I'm thinking, "they don't care or address widows in the church???" "Wow!" Some have Christmas giveaways but what about the other 354 days? Read: Deuteronomy 26:12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; So God will judge where the money went, who got any and who was neglected. I pray every day to meet my bill obligations. I can't tithe right now because I barely have enough to pay bills to keep a roof over my head. I feel ashamed that they are not obeying ALL of the Bible. Smh. It's scary in this world being alone esp after all the sacrifices. I've been saved since I was 18 years old. It's a cold world in and out of the church.
MultiBloo897 I’m sorry you’re having to go through the abandonment of the church. Not all churches are the same. May I suggest you start looking for another congregation that does practice taking care of the widow. I’m sure there are some. God bless you
I Don't believe you when you say that nobody contacted you after your husband died unless you personally had nothing to do with them, even then I don't believe you.
Do you expect them to give you your money back? Good luck.
It is true they should help you out with needs. But not because of the passage you quoted in the OT but because of a passage in the NT.
Did not the Pastor preach the funeral? If the church is that bad you should have left long ago.
As for tithing, it is not commanded for the church, if you cannot afford it, you should definitely not do it.
People need to do what the early church did and read their bibles to see if what the preacher says is so. They don't. They just parrot what their preacher says.
In this day with computers and the internet it is so easy to study a biblical doctrine, or verse or subject or whatever, there is no excuse.
@@pastorjames4753 I think you should be a little more compassionate to the lady. To simply dismiss what she said seems a little unfair as you dont personally know her. Well,she could be lying (but i doubt it). However I dont think she's asking for her tithes back. She's expressing concern that her congregation isn't taking care of her to whatever extent they can and that makes things very difficult for her because the Bible expressly requires local churches to support widows,orphans etc but honestly how many churches do it?
Your response @Pastor James shows how Pastors treat people who have been faithful in their churches. Is the Bible not saying that we should take care of the widows? The church must also take care of the needs of the needy in their congregation but that's not happening and its wrong. She raised an important issue and if there are things we're not doing right as churches we should respond positively and do something about it but not rubbish people. We should be compassionate just like Christ did
In today’s churches, don’t except any financial assistance from them when you get into financial need after faithfully giving to them for years or decades. To be frank, most of the money collected from the congregation are allocated to pay the salaries of the pastors and staffers, support their missionaries, and to pay for the church property (i.e. mortgage, repair and maintenance, insurance, utilities, technology update, etc). Only a small token amount goes to help the needy by their giving to non-profit organizations. It’s safe to assume that if a church collects half a million dollars a year from it’s congregation, less than 10k goes to benevolence activities.
How can you give a percentage when it says in 2 Corinthian 9:7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
THANK YOU! You've spoken the truth. Men are forever adding their opinions to God's Word.
A person can decide in their heart to cheerfully give in a way that is regular and consistent, based on a percentage of their income. Just as those who give in such a way should not look down upon those who give spontaneously, so also those who give spontaneously should not look down upon those who give regularly.
Giving and tithing is different.
Im a huge tither, and I ve seen GODs blessings in my life, tremendously. I cant deny this, no one can tell me otherwise. That said, I have two things to say about tithing - it is NOT MANDATORY. Second, if you think it's salvation you will die in your sins. Bc tithing is not the blood of Jesus, and you are NOT doing GOD any favors if that is your Christianity. In fact, if tithing is all you are doing, then you are perverting this principal into the prosperity gospel....that's not salvation or the gospel of repentance.....only the blood of Christ will give us eternal life. Now, I do tithe bc I use it as a benchmark of what is sacrificial and generous (to be generous is to be a cheerful giver) ...so I use 10 percent as a measuring stick....I try never to go below that, when I stay above, it's hard and not easy.....and that means I m being sacrificial and generous. Thanks to this practice, I have seen God's blessings, I cant deny that, bc no way I can say my success is based on me.....it's GOD's blessings. And that is the TRUTH!
2cor. 9:7 is not about tithing, but a freewill contribution to the church in Jerusalem, who were suffering bcoz of the famine. Tithing and priesthood go together. It did not start during the law, as Abraham and Jacob practiced it. Tithing shows you acknowledge God as Lord over all that you have. God does not leave to us to decide how much of our increase should be given to Him, just as the government does not leave to us to decide how much tax we ought to pay. Practicing tithing also shows we believe God's promise of blessing with the tithe, and His curse if we rob Him what rightfully belongs to Him.
I was hosting Bible studies with friends several years ago. One week I wanted to do a study on tithing. I had been reared in Christian schools, read through the Bible at 15, and had gone to church thoughout my life. During my prep for this study one thing stood out to me: the tithe was always pertaining to crops. I do not know of an instance when it was not. When it came to livestock it was the first unblemished given as an offering but it was never referred to as a tithe. An argument that has been made is that they did not have money so of their crops is what they gave as a tithe. However, money is present continually during the time that the tithe was present so this is not a good arguement. Mr. Schreiner is correct in that we should not look at a certain percentage but look to sacrificially give. God knows our heart and He loves a cheerful giver.
There was NO MONEY TITHE EVER TAUGHT or PRACTICED BY JESUS, the Disciples or Apostles in the New Testament !!! WHY? Because after Jesus death and resurrection we were no longer under the works of the law, but under Grace! There was no more Tabernacle, and no more food tithe. The verses he gave were pushed on us saying we are to support a denominational religious business known as church, that is completely wrong! Once again, there was no going to church every week, no tithe every week, no building, no pastor, and definitely no verses telling us to support any denominational church business.
No Where in the New Testament under the New Covenant did Jesus, the Disciples or Apostles ever build a building and call it a church. Paul wrote in Colossians 1:18 that Christ is the head of the body of believers, calling them, "The Church". The "Church" is NEVER referred to as a building in the Bible, but the body of believers are called the Church. Never did Jesus, the Disciples or Apostles ever elect a pastor for a church building, nor did they ever pass an offering plate to collect money for themselves or a pastor his building and his staff.
So where did the Money Tithe System come from? The Roman Catholics... They are the ones that hijacked the Old Testament Food Tithe Offering from the Bible, and changed it into a Money Tithe Heresy. Also, the Roman Catholics were the first to build a building in 255AD, and they were the first to make up the Money Tithe System in 355AD, and made the people in 356AD pay their local priest 10% of their income, while calling it a mandatory tax. When Martin Luther left the German Catholics, he introduced this money tithe system to the New Reformation, which later found its way to America through the denominations leaving Europe. Today there are over 75,000 different denominations across the earth, with 15,000 of them here in the USA, with all of them using this False Doctrine known as the Money Tithe, which is now being pushed using Malachi 3:8 which these False Teachers teach out of context, to extract money from the gullible children of God.
If you will read at the Beginning of Malachi, you will see that he was Addressing the Israelites, which only 1/3 of the Israelites were to give... This is spelled out in several places in the Old Testament who was to give and who was not to give. The ones that were to give this 10% tithe was an earth tithe like livestock, fruits and vegetables. This was a FOOD TITHE from the Earth, to feed the people at the Tabernacle who were killing the animals to pay for the sins of the Israelites. The ones who had live stock, fields of vegetables, fruit trees, olive oil producers, wine makers, and so on were the ones called upon to feed the Levite Priests. This is all spelled out all through the Old Testament. In other words people, it was a FOOD TITHE from the wealthy to feed the people who were doing animal sacrifices to pay for the sins of the people.
2/3 of the people of Israel were exempt of this Food Tithe, meaning, they did not have to give anything! Even in Malachi 3:9-11 it says YOUR NATION, and mentions the FOOD bringing it to the STOREHOUSE at the Tabernacle, why? To feed the Priests doing the animal sacrifice work. By the way, this was not a church! No one was allowed in there, the people had to remain outside the Tabernacle. The only time they went in, was to bring the Animal to be Sacrificed and the Food Offering to feed the Priests! The TITHE was not money, it was FOOD!
Let's Read It.
Malachi 3:9-11 9 You are under a curse-your whole nation-because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not drop their fruit before it is ripe,” says the LORD Almighty.
But what do the denominational pastors, tel-evangelists and false teachers of today keep on preaching? The Roman Catholic lie... Its no wonder people look at us Christians as if we are all crazy. Its no wonder people don't want to become a Christian, because of these false teaching wolves that Jesus, the Disciples and Apostles all warned us about again, again, and again, saying they would make merchandise out of you, meaning make money off of you. And that's what they are doing. These false teaching wolves are snacking down on our brothers and sisters like there's no tomorrow. What people don't understand is, Jesus, the Disciples and Apostles were going around telling everyone that God was changing the way He pays for sins, and they didn't have to observe the law anymore.
When Jesus died for our sins, the veil was torn in to at the Tabernacle, because Jesus paid the price; He paid for it all. People, take care of the ones who God said to look after, don't you know? James 1:27, the widows and the orphans, and there's nothing wrong with helping the poor too, because Paul took up collections for the poor again and again, but there is no mention of him taking up a collection for himself. In fact, Paul said in 2 Corinthians 2:17 that he does NOT peddle the Word of God for profit. But what do these false teaching wolves of today teach, $MONEY$ $MONEY$ $MONEY$. Always remember, if you are a Christian, then you are the Church! Colossians 1:18. God Bless!
Not only was money present and tithing is food, tithe was to be eaten by the tithers at a designated place by God. If the tithes were too heavy, they were to sell the tithe for silver and buy food with the silver when they got to the designated place. Then eat and rejoice and don't forget the Levites. The tithed food for the storehouses were given every three years for the levites and the poor 😭 the truth will set us free! I'm just going to give with a cheerful heart, which I was doing anyway, but all this ties to scary verses and promises for God to make me rich is annoying.
Deuteronomy 14:22-29
Deuteronomy 26:12-15
Malachi 3:6-12.
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Spot on teaching and a correct understanding of Tithing here.
The best lecture I have heard about tithing. God would not force anyone to tithe but if you spend millions on your football club but refused to fund God's work then you are a hypocrite.
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Oh please Two of the richest men in the world or atheists and god don't get crap....of figure!
If you gave megachurches and make them millionaires and broke as crazy
What is "fund God's Work"?
Where did Jesus or Paul use those words?
What does Matthew 25:35-40 say?
Greetings with much love. Let us read, carefully study, the Word of GOD, for we are to tithe. The problem is people look to some one else to interpret GOD'S Word for them, because they refuse to study HIS Word for themselves. The scripture you referenced speaks to giving, not tithing. Please carefully study our FATHER'S Word and discover Truth. Thumbs all the way down on this video and others like it👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽!
🙏🏽Sister Jean
Sorry they are not ' you are a hypocrite " . Actually those who don't do so for either 1 of 2 reasons. 1 No tithing is Mentioned for US to follow. 2 We are to give from our hearts ONLY to those preaching the Gospel. Not to others Those whom God has NOT called or given to Jesus are blind to the truth and the only one that can change that is our Father. and it isn't nice to call those who don't agree with you names. Think.... Tithes are mentioned once in the NT. ONCE. 1 The temple was there 2 the priesthood was there.. 3 Pharisees were by law required to pay tithes as in fact they were doing. AND note is was on FOOD not money and while Jesus faulted them for not caring for those in need .He DID NOT say and give money. or Hey Disciples I 'm holding these Pharisees up as an example to follow when He chastised there many times for being self righteous... Another source is Malachi but preachers tend to neglect to mention it is OT. then they neglect that it was NOT to the people but to the Priests who were stealing the food to outsiders and replacing the first born animals with inferior or sickly animals..
This is probably the shortest and most specific on the topic. I love it.
Do not be led astray. Is Malachi 3:8.... written by Moses? Did you read Mathew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 on what Christ said about tithing?
@@apostleatali-mensah5463 says nothing about 10%
2 Corinthians 9:7
New American Standard Bible
"Each one must do just as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
It is nice to hear someone give an honest true answer to tithing. I have been saying the same thing for years but it is like the unpardonable sin to say anything against tithes in the church world today. For most of the Church world salvation is equal to Christ's sacrifice on the cross and 10% tithes. To me, that is the biggest rebuke to the work and the price that Christ paid for our sins! To indicate that you need to supplement Salvation with 10% Tithes to please God is a slap in the face of Christ! Salvation is through faith in Christ and Christ alone, and not Christ and Tithes. Ephesians 2: 8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast".
It’s not to supplement salvation by giving 10% to the church. Tithe has nothing to do with that.
@@paeng46 yeah. Correct.
WOW!! FINALLY someone that speaks biblical truths. I can't stand when pastors / ministers yell out from the pulpit "You are under covenant to tithe". This is SO Wrong, and everyone as sheep follow... 😢😞
I don't feel comfortable certain amount of money. I'd rather just help everyone around me - buy some food for a homeless man on street.
Anteater23 I do that also,just share what I have with my neighbor, and spend some time together with them.
Daniel Malloy - Do you hear yourself?. smh
izzy Yeah, I am pretty sure that "God hates cheap" is not in the Bible.
It’s not about feeling confortable, it’s about that IS IT BIBLICAL, then feeling confortable could be another thing.
Say you eat at Braums, you leave without paying, you then give McDonalds your money. McDonalds didn't feed you braums did. Give your money to the church that feeds you.
Very helpful once again. Giving sacrificially is very difficult at times but I pray the love of God in our hearts strengthens us to cast aside all fear in those moments and give joyfully trusting in our God, our provider. God bless us all.
Give to charities who use the money well
Dont give it to pastors to buy private jets
@@devilvocano420 haha well I would say give to both. God calls us to be generous to all and especially our brothers and sisters in the Faith. The private jet pastors are good so they wont need my money.
Under the Levitical law, agricultural items were tithed - not money. If you lived far away, you could convert your agricultural tithe to money, but you had to convert it back to agricultural items before you gave your tithe. And when they brought sacrifices, they often ate a portion of that sacrifice.
Actually if I'm not mistaken, if you were to tithe money, they added a percentage increase, to try and discourage it.
@@jaboy0978 In Deuteronomy 14:24-26, it just says to turn it into money.
I am no Bible scholar, but I think you may be referring to redeeming something that has been voluntarily dedicated to the Lord. That is mentioned in Leviticus 27. If a person wants to redeem something that they had dedicated to the Lord, then they had to add 20% of the value of the thing, which was estimated at the time of the dedication. If the thing was a house, I think that they had a time limit of 1 year in which to redeem it.
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No pastor would ever preach exactly what the bible says on this subject? Any church still preaching a monetary tithe, I won't be a part of. It already demonstrates they don't know the Scriptures.
@@YhwhKhaiMostHigh we don’t have to have perfect knowledge on all scriptures in order to be able to preach from them, with all due respect that is a very immature and basic understanding and a ridiculously unfair standard to hold people to. Where is the grace in that perspective?
I was told by pastors over the years to pay 10 percent of my income which is tithing. Moving forward I'm giving what's in my heart to give generously. Thanks 🙏
what have you received in return?
Luke 18:22
Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
@As
That's not tithing. Tithing was under levitical law for the Levites who took care of the temple. Something Christ did away with (Levitical Law). He said, 'Go sell all you have and give it to the poor.' To the rich man.
When the Holy Spirit came down upon the multitude, they went and sold all they had to have all things in common and gave to those in need (Acts 5) Not so prominent men could buy buildings, pay for A/C, dry clean seat cushions, pay for flower arrangements, send the kids to college, buy a house, buy the wifie a car, pay for an airplane, airport, sit in pretty, get a TV station, radio program, make DVD's, pay for the marquee out front etc etc etc. That is a different christ. 'Micah 3:11
The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the Lord, and say, Is not the Lord among us? none evil can come upon us.'
Jesus, never talked about tithing. He did give a coin taken from the mouth of the fish for tax purposes. But no, 2 Corinth is about Matthew 25:34. Where they did nothing mystical as cast out demons, preach in his name and do all kinds of 'wonderful works' in his name. They didn't strain at gnats and swallow camels. (try to deal with spiritual things while unable to see carnal needs of brothers). They showed the love of God in their hearts by helping the widow and the fatherless. They gave to Paul to DISTRIBUTE to the needs of poor saints. Not so Paul didn't need to go out, everyone came to his building to sit and make flyers, programs, news bulletins and proliferate commerce.
@@davido3026 Fellowship.
I truly understand all of you. I am a PK , have served in the church all my life from janitorial to pastor.. during a down time I too suffered great loss and pleaded help from the church, which did nothing. I have promised myself to NEVER preach something because it (sounds good), but Holy Spirit has impressed on me to NEVER stop studying, preach as though I am the only audience, letting him guide and protect. The bottom line? Whatever you do , everything we do MUST be done with love, compassion and worship. NEVER seeking attention. ♥️🙏♥️🙏
From the books of Acts, we can see that the early 'Christians' doesn't give just 10 per cent but almost all of their profits and belongings
amx 1 that is offering not tithe
Exactly. They chose to give mot a command 😃
More like First Fruits then! 🤷🏻♂️
This was in the first days of Christianity in which many of Jesus's disciples before his death, over 100 during his ministry, decided to stay together to learn and prepare for evangelism under the direction of the Holy Spirit. Most of them did not live and work in Jerusalem, so they sold their property from afar to support the first church for this special commission.
As a brother in Christ I humbly urge to study within context. The book of Acts shows the offering offered in response to financial support in times of need. Paul and others indicated to give what you can, but collecting an offering to help others in financial needs. Does not replace the mandate to tithe. Offerings and tithing are two separate things. One is voluntary, the other is a statute put in place by God himself.
Tithing is not based on Mosaic law, It was simply added. Before the law Abraham tithed to Melchizedek (Gen 14:18-20). Abraham recognizes the priestly/king order (theophany) representing Jesus Christ king. Abraham knowing the mandatory tithing requirements to God automatically gave the tithes in the Kings presence in recognition of the authority that is before him.
Example: what do you think would happen if when Jesus came he had been accepted as King over Israel? Knowing tithes are given to the priests, where do you think the tithing would go with Jesus being a priest/king? To Jesus of course.
To provide two witnesses I’ll include Jacob also tithing to God (Gen 28:22). This brother in the video says is was a one time thing. Yet the Bible clearly shows Jacob states he will do continually. Jacob would know this given this being passed on from Abraham to Isaac unto him. Knowing and obeying are two different things. Jacob hit a point in life, like we all do, in which he finally decided to start obeying God.
In conclusion: If it existed before the law, then it will exist after the law. For example Cain was punished for killing in a time when there was no law. Yet judgement was rendered based on the fact that if you look in Genesis, time before the law, the 10 commandments are already there. It’s just not directly said. To validate look at what God himself said:
“Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”
Given this is in Genesis before the law. It seems there were laws before the Mosaic laws. Otherwise God wouldn’t be saying Abraham followed His laws.
Another example is God resting on the Sabbath (Gen 2:2). This is before the law, it’s part of Ten Commandments, and still in effect after the law. It’s the 4th commandment after all.
Lastly, it’s not a democracy it’s a priestly/kingship. Meaning obedience is worship and what God says is final and he expects %10 percent. You should be happy, 10 means complete.
God asks for only 10, because in the numbers 1-10 are the whole of all numbers. In other words by giving God ten, your actually saying, “God I give you everything (the whole)”.
As a brother in Christ, I humbly urge you to study this matter more. To rightly divide the word.
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Genesis 14:18-20 (KJV) 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed [be] Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Genesis 28:22 (KJV) And this stone, which I have set [for] a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
Fantastic explanation. I believe in giving to the Lord with a greatful heart. What I give to others who is not so fortunate is part of what we give to God. Actually NT talks about thanksgiving.
I was always taught to tithe but I feel guilty not having the ten percent so I didn't give anything, then I watched a video by Allen parr that changed my mind and I decided I'd give what I was able to do and give with a joyous heart because I'm off of work 7 months a year and we're extremely poor do that's what I now do.
TONY B the TECH TIGER
If you give generously then you will be blessed by God for being that kind (see 2 Cor. 9:6- “he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully”). It is not because of your tithe that God has given you back the increase and blessed you, it is because of your love and generosity. You see, if the churches today will practice tithing, we will be disqualified from the principles and practicality of the commandment. What we give to the church that we deemed as tithes are not the increase of the land from where the people in the Bible got their tithes from. We took it from our salary. Our salary is not the increase of the seed (or crop) that the land brought forth every year (see Deut. 14:22). Salary in Bible is called wage(s), and nowhere in the Bible that believers are commanded to give tithe from their wages. I will not discuss further the practice of tithing in the Old Testament. I will rather explain why tithing in the churches today is a violation of the precepts of giving in 2 Cor. 9:6-8. A tithe literally means a tenth portion of a whole (or 10%). If we give lesser than 10% it is definitely not a tithe; and neither it is if we give more. A tithe is a tithe (10%) in its definition, and it is what it is; hence I said that it violates the principles of giving in 2 Cor. 9:6-8. The apostle Paul writes- “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver”(v.7). So if we practice tithing then we will be violating the pretext of giving as we “PURPOSETH IN OUR HEARTS”. Why? Because if a believer wants to give more than he ought to tithe then it’s a violation of the tithing rule. It’s not 10% anymore if you give more than you ought to tithe, nor it is tithing when you give less. You see now why tithing cannot be practiced in the church today? Because it is a violation of the giving principle stated in 2 Cor. 9:6-8.
“It is not requisite that a man run faster than he hath strength.” 🙏🏻❤️ Do your best. God does the rest.
Careful about leaning into what Allen Parr teaches. He is a showboat who only understands scripture from the point of view he has created, and it’s void of depth.
@@rachelczumaya2806That's what I always tell my kids!
2nd Cor 9:7 7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
FOLKS ARE HYPOCRITES. THEY WILL TELL YOU PAUL NEVER COMMANDED YOU TO TITHE. O.K.
THEY WILL SAY GRACE GIVING IS CHEERFUL GIVING.
SO PAUL SAID TAKE A COLLECTION. "A COLLECTION OF WHAT PAUL?"
THEY SAY IN 2 CORINTHIANS 9:7 PAUL SAYS GIVE NOT SPARING. "NOT SPARINGLY OF WHAT PAUL?"
BUT FOLKS AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME PAUL IS TALKING ABOUT MONEY, BUT THE WORD MONEY AIN'T IN ANY OF PAUL'S EXHORTATIONS OF COMMANDS OR SUGGESTIONS TO GIVE.
YET, IN DEUTERONOMY 14:22-26.
1. THE FOLKS GO ON A LONG JOURNEY TO ARRIVE FOR A FEAST TO GET WHATEVER THEIR SOUL LUSTETH AFTER. "WHAT ARE THEY USING TO GET THE STUFF THEIR SOUL LUSTETH AFTER MOSES?" MONEY.
2. WHERE DID THEY GET THE MONEY THAT IS IN THEIR HANDS FROM MOSES? THE TITHE.
3. SO THEY DIDN'T TAKE THEY TITHE OF THE CORN OIL AND LIVESTOCK WITH THEM TO THE FEAST? NOPE.
4. WHAT DID THEY TURN THE TITHE THAT STAYED AT HOME INTO? MONEY.
SO PAUL TELLS FOLKS TO GIVE BUT HE NEVER TELLS YOU WHAT YOU ARE GIVING AND HE DON'T EVER USE THE WORD MONEY.
BUT THE BIBLE SAYS, TURN THE TITHE INTO MONEY AND GO BUY STUFF FOR YOURSELF WITH THE TITHE MONEY.
BUT FOLKS WILL LOOK RIGHT AT THE SCRIPTURES AND MAKE PAUL'S GIVING MONEY AND MOSES TITHE THAT WAS LITERALLY TURN INTO MONEY NOT MONEY. HYPOCRITES.
CAN'T USE THAT ARGUMENT. TRY AGAIN !
@@brothacarllovesjesus
You may have been misinformed. They ATE the biblical tithes. Please read the scriptures again carefully. They communicate something different than what you said.
The scripture text you referred to:
“You shall truly TITHE ALL the INCREASE OF YOUR GRAIN that the FIELD PRODUCES YEAR by YEAR.
AND YOU SHALL EAT before the Lord your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, THE TITHE of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always.
But IF THE JOURNEY IS TOO LONG for you, so THAT YOU ARE NOT ABLE to CARRY THE TITHE, or IF THE PLACE where the Lord your God chooses to put His name IS TOO FAR FROM YOU, when the Lord your God has blessed you,
THEN you shall EXCHANGE IT FOR MONEY, TAKE THE MONEY in your hand, AND GO TO THE PLACE which the Lord your God chooses.
And YOU shall SPEND THAT MONEY FOR whatever your heart desires: for OXEN OR SHEEP, FOR WINE OR SIMILAR DRINK, for whatever your heart desires; YOU SHALL EAT THERE before the Lord your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household." - Deuteronomy 14:22-26 NKJV
@@walkinthelight1748 Did Abraham eat the Biblical Tithes.
You are stuck in the Law. - John 1:17
The Church are the seed of Abraham. - Galatians 3:29
The Church Tithes in Worship like Abraham did in the Promise. - Hebrews 7:4
The Tithes began in the Promise, the Law cannot disannul the Promise therefore the Tithes were also in the Law.
Tithes are also in Grace and Truth, because the Promise is for the seed which the Church is in faith - Galatians 3:19
@@brothacarllovesjesus
Peace to you.
Man cannot live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Let God be true, and every man be a liar.
Messiah is the blessing of Abraham. He is the fulfillment of the promise; how ALL nations of the earth are blessed.
"Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth." - John 17:17 NKJV
I quoted the OT scripture because the OT text is the ONLY PLACE where tithes are instructed.
The scripture determine what biblical tithing is. Not you or I, or any way we think we can relate to it. Believe on Messiah... as scripture says.
If I am led by the Spirit, I'm not under the Law of Moses. The REQUIREMENT of tithing, however, WAS under the Law.
I'm made alive through the promised Messiah, and set at liberty by the law of the Spirit of life in Messiah Yahshua.
@@walkinthelight1748 Oh read the scriptures carefully someone recently said to me.
Jesus Christ in the New Testament says, "Ye pay tithes..these ye ought to have done..." - From Matthew 23:23.
That's not Old Testament scripture instruction only.
Repent and believe the Gospel.
Pay your Tithes.
Absolutely correct. 2 Timothy 2:15 '' rightly dividing the word of truth''.
I fully agree that giving should be generous and loving from one's heart. I also agree that 10% is a good base to start from. It makes one fiscally responsible as well. So while it's not mandated by scripture to give a particular percentage, it's also not scriptural to call out folks who choose to give 10% because it still remains a choice(free will) at the end of the day.
Awesome 👌
That’s not a problem with Christianity, that’s a problem with people. Jesus is a perfect system, designed for broken people.
You don’t blame the car manufacturer when a crazy person uses a vehicle to slaughter people.
Romans ch14, especially verse 22&23 “...everything that does not come from faith is sin”.
Without the word tithing, even if you budget 10% of your cash flow for savings or investment or donations, it actually makes you financially responsible. The principle is meant to teach you that not everything you have is yours to keep. You’re just a steward, not a hoarder.
We are all deceived daily by advertisers who claim their product will add value to our lives if we give them our money. It’s literally the same thing.
Tithing existed before Moses. It's a foundation laid by God from the beginning as a source of finances for His work. In Malachi he reminds Israel about the curse that is upon those robbing Him of His tithe. Tithing is therefore not an option but a command. You can not give your tithe, but pay it cos it was never yours. God who owns every silver and gold entrusted you with it that you may bring it in God's house that there would be food enough in His house (mal.3:10). If people living under the law could tithe 10 percent, what about we who are living under the dispensation of grace? That is why I have been tithing more than 10 percent for the last 30 years and l have seen God's faithfulness for me and my family. No one can convince me otherwise. Remember Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it as He did in Matthew 23:23 regarding the tithe.
@@ACKLodwarMission nope, tithing 10% is not a new testament LAW...tithes as law were only dealing with the nation of Israel and received ONLY BY THE LEVITICAL PRIESTS...although there is nothing wrong with giving 10%, it is not a New Testament Law according to scripture...there is not a demand to give 10%...to tell someone else that they are robbing God or that they are under a curse if they don't tithe 10% is absolute nonsense...if you are demanding 10% then prove to me you are a Levitical priest lol...and you also have to be completely shaved...and you also can't be older than 50 lol...it is the Bible
@@ACKLodwarMission tithing 10% was a law under the law of Moses...just the same as all the ceremonial stuff the levitical priests did...like sacrificing animals to make atonement and such...after the perfect sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, the law was fulfilled completely and now we are in the new covenant of the Spirit...we are not the ones who fulfill the law...JESUS FULFILLED THE LAW and we are no longer subject to the law if we are led by the Spirit...so, tithing in the new covenant is giving what you have decided in your heart to give, NOT GRUDGINGLY, because God loves a cheerful giver
It just a matter of obedience to God for all his provision. And your relationship with God. Showing your appreciation for your harvest. Because you are freely given everything in this life, that's all..
It's really a blessing to Tithe. Thanks be to God almighty.
"Tithing" money isn't biblical. If we were to tithe according to scripture we'd be Israelite farmers, bringing a portion of our produce and/or livestock to a Levitical city. Jesus never tithed or accepted one, nor did he ever leave any instructions to "tithe to him" at any point. We are free to give, not bound to pay.
I think like you👍🏻 ; and I believe that some people feel convicted by others people positive comments about tithing, makes me think that if they are so convinced in what they believe about tithing there is no need to go around being negative but it shows that maybe those people are really being moved by God to give but the love for money is bigger than their love for God. We can’t out give God! All the glory and honor to Him for ever and ever!🙏🏻🙌🏻🙏🏻🙌🏻
@@markb7067 made the claim "Jesus never tithed." For the record, I did in fact ask Mark B for the Scriptures that say "Jesus never tithed" and he was unable to provide that Scripture. This is eisegesis which is unfortunate as Mark has accused others of eisegisis.
Another thing..tithes were given in seasons(yrs) as opposed to these days when the clergy demand it every week or month and want it in cash..
TITHE WAS ONCE A YEAR OLD COVER-NET, AN ABRAHAM GAVE ONE TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK BEFORE THE LAW
@@jacqueshuiswoud1930 he only gave once in his life from the spoils of war. Should we do the same?
@@PreachingJesus I'd say no. Just give offering as one is led or able..
@@jacqueshuiswoud1930 yeah, and the tithe Abraham gave was someone else's stuff! None of it belonged to Abraham. And then he gave the other 90% to the King of Sodom!
Thank you... I've been saying that tithing isn't for the NT Church for sometime now. Not that we shouldn't be generous, but we're not under the law of Moses. And I'll add to that, that a tithing mindset may just be sinful according to,
Gal. 5:4 "You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace".
When I got saved in '01 I started to hear preaching on tithing and the necessity to practice such. I researched every verse in the OT concerning tithing and what I gleaned is it was meant for the support of others, not a building or even the priest/Levites. Added to the tithe was a Temple tax, this went to support what was needed for the building and the priest/Levites. So total was about 23%ish of your income, which mostly wasn't money, but things like the first fruits of the crops, your livestock and anything else that made you to prosper.
Most preachers use Mal. 3:10 to try to guilt you into their misconceived notion of tithing, I think they need to heed James 3:1...
Also the practice of tithing in the NT Church was brought about, from what I've learned in my research, around 530AD by the RCC. They needed money to fund the construction of their huge cathedrals and to build/support the Vatican/Pope, so they enacted tithing on the unknowing to raise the needed funds and we all know how they corrupt the teachings of Almighty G_d!
So please be very careful not to fall into a legalist mindset, G_d doesn't need your tip, He needs your heart!
The true test in this world is our mind and our heart. and i think you are correct!
He is correct but he failed to mention that tithing was NEVER MONEY!!! It was about agricultural products - food. A carpenter didn't tithe 10% of a door or window. And yes they had money back then so the food was not a form of money.
Nick Wadson yes it also included money that’s why he said they gave more then ten percent it was harvest and money
@@corys8459 , sorry, it didn't include money. Read Deuteronomy 14:22-29
I'm beginning to think he had a motive for bypassing certain information on tithing. Is he a pastor?
henry esu. You are ignoring the Hebrew word Tebuah for increase which referred to your income. It's there in verse 22
Completely wrong . Money is a part of the tithing .
The old testament involves the Law of Moses which entails 10% tithing. The new law is described in 2 Corinthians 9: 6-7, be a cheerful giver which means giving from your heart and not being systematic about tithing. Amen
Love and peace to you all. The question was, "Is tithing REQUIRED TODAY?"
When tithing is mentioned in scripture (like Malachi 3, Matt. 23:23, or Luke 11:42) it referred to YAH's instructions found in Lev. 27:30-34, Numbers 18:8-32, & Deut. 14:22-29.
In these texts, YAH commanded Israel to give tithes (tenths) of their increase. A tithe was described as a tenth OF THE LAND; of the seed, of the fruit of the tree... of the herd, or of the flock (Lev. 27:30, 32).
The Lord said, the Levites were given as a gift from Him, and were to serve in the tabernacle of the congregation (Num. 18:1-7).
So, He gave one tithe (tenth) to the Levites serving the tabernacle because they received no land in Israel as inheritance from Him (Num. 18:21-24).
Another tithe (tenth) was required of Israel for feasts year by year (Deut. 14:22-26).
Every third year, another tithe (tenth) served the purpose of providing food for the Levites, the stranger, fatherless, and the widows (Deut. 14:28-29; 26:12-13).
New Covenant (NC) believers are instructed to willingly help people (James 1:27, 2:14-17; 1John 3:16-18; 1Tim. 6:17-19). Matthew 25 is important also.
In Acts chapters 2:40-47 & 4:31-35, they distributed to whoever among them had need. These gifts of charity went to the congregation of believers among them TO MEET PRESSING NEEDS (1 Cor. 16; 2 Cor. 8-9; Titus 3:8,14).
YAH's instructions REQUIRED tithing UNDER THE Law of Moses. 10% portions of the increase from the land WAS REQUIRED from ALL tribes, besides the Levite.
The Levites also WERE to tithe and bring offering, giving the best 10% that they had received for the store house and for the high preist (Num. 18:25-28; Neh. 10:37-38).
All scripture tithes were commanded to be EATEN at some junctures of time (Num. 18:9-13; Deut. 14:23-29).
Also, the blood of firstlings from a cow, sheep, or goat were sprinkled on the alter FROM the biblical TITHES. And their fat was to be burned as an offering to the Lord (Num. 18:17).
BIBLICAL TITHING is inextricably tied into blood sacrifice and burned offerings that the Old Covenant LAW REQUIRED of the preists.
"But if you are led by THE SPIRIT, you are NOT UNDER THE LAW." - Gal. 5:18 WEB
Born again NC believers are NOT UNDER THE OC LAW. Yet, we are to establish the law of faith (law of Christ). By grace through faith, in humility to Messiah, we learn of Him, keep & obey His words, serve & love Him (& people), bearing one another's burdens.
According to scripture you have proven your comment as 100% accurate.
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:4. If you walk after the Spirit, God will at some point in your life( as you're continuing to grow spiritually) , tell you to tithe and give offerings. Just listen to the Spirit, He will line up with the Word that tells you to tithe and give offerings.
@@frick6946 Peace to you. What New Covenant (NC) Word didn't I address in the post, that you think is NOT being lined up with?
Are you referring only to Romans 8:4?
The context of that scripture was about the NC law of the Spirit of life; being spiritually minded, and NOT walking after the flesh (having a carnal mind).
In Romans 8:4, fulfilling the righteousness of the law refers to love for neighbors (Rom. 13:8-10), & for God (Rom. 13:11-14).
It had NOTHING to do with tithing.
Romans 13:12-14 says cast off darkness & put on the armor of light; walk properly, put on Christ, & make no provision for the flesh.
"For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
(for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth)," - Ephesians 5:8-9 NKJV
"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are NOT UNDER THE Law." - Gal. 5:18 NKJV
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God...
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
and if children, then heirs-heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, IF indeed WE SUFFER WITH Him, that we may also be glorified together." - Romans 8:14, 16-17 NKJV
Messiah expects good fruit (Matt. 7:15-27; John 15:1-15); that is fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23).
"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." - Matthew 7:19 NKJV
If we love Him, we'll keep His commands, Christ's Word (John 14:1, 15, 23-24, 26). He will judge us based on what we do (Matthew 25:31-46).
Whatever the Lord instructs ANY ONE, they SHOULD do it, whether it's give 1% or 100%. The children of God ARE led by His Spirit.
@@frick6946 Again, the question to be answered was "Is tithing REQUIRED TODAY?"
The Spirit inspired the scripture for teaching, reproof, correction, and instruction (2Tim. 3:16). Reproof is to show US WHEN WE are WRONG.
I grew up "tithing" and believing it was right & REQUIRED today. But I was WRONG.
The TRUTH of SCRIPTURE brings CORRECTION & INSTRUCTION.
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." - 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
By faith, I had to accept what SCRIPTURE says. Fact is, saints today don't even tithe BIBLICALLY (according to what SCRIPTURE described as a tithe).
Loving and willingly giving to meet the NEEDS of others is what NC SCRIPTURE teaches and provides examples for us to follow.
Please DON'T hear what I am NOT SAYING. Hear what I SAY.
NC believers are SUPPOSED to give cheerfully to support widows, orphans, the poor, the body of Christ, and the gospel mission work.
NO SCRIPTURE says you are REQUIRED to give 10% of your earnings to a Corporation (incorporated denomination). It's just NOT the TRUTH.
Look to the truth of the Word, and follow it. It was written for OUR learning. You will know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH will make you free.
Look at ALL New Covenant giving. Study it.
We should ALL look to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord and Savior.
"Since you have purified your souls in obeying the TRUTH through the Spirit in SINCERE LOVE of the brethren, LOVE ONE ANOTHER fervently with a pure heart," - 1Peter 1:22 NKJV
"as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the WORD, that you may grow thereby," - 1Peter 2:2 NKJV
Please examine the original post closely, and READ the WORD (SCRIPTURE) references.
This isn't about what I think, but the TRUTH found in SCRIPTURE, inspired by the Spirit of God. The Spirit is truth (1John 5:6).
"Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth." - John 17:17 NKJV
@@walkinthelight1748 The Holy Spirit leads me to tithe and give offerings. I have to go by what God is telling me and not what others think the scriptures are saying. He tells me to give 10% of my gross to my local church for a reason , because it's in the Word. When what the Spirit tells you to do matches with the written Word, it's what God wants. He also has me give offerings ( beyond the tithe). The tithe never belonged to me. If the Holy Spirit is impressing upon my spirit to tithe and give offerings, I'm sure He is doing that with lots of people, because the Spirit matches the written Word.
I agree. And Tithing was to give to the Levites. Whenever I give, I don't brag or have a camera around to show others. It brings joy to my heart knowing I helped, even if it isn't appreciated. So always give from the heart...not for looking good in front of people.
Agreed 100%
Tithing is not based on Mosaic law, It was simply added. Before the law Abraham tithed to Melchizedek (Gen 14:18-20) To provide two witnesses I’ll include Jacob also tithing to God (Gen 28:22)
If it existed before the law, then it will exist after the law. For example Cain was punished for killing in a time when there was no law. Yet judgement was rendered based on the fact that if you look in Genesis, time before the law, the 10 commandments are already there. It’s just not directly said.
Another example is God resting on the Sabbath (Gen 2:2). This is before the law, it’s part of Ten Commandments, and still in effect after the law. It’s the 4th commandment after all.
As a brother in Christ, I humbly urge you to study this matter more. To rightly divide the word.
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Genesis 14:18-20 (KJV) 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed [be] Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Genesis 28:22 (KJV) And this stone, which I have set [for] a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
You can tell others you tithe to show them that you are blessed because you do and so they can be blessed also if they try it. But for offerings, I would not go around telling people what you give.
Who do you call levite today? Self made or what . Didn't get it that christ is the last priest? Don't be deceived the word of God can not lie . They are working for their belly. My joy is, on that day he said I will tell to get behind me workers of lawlessness period.
I tithe. And I used to tithe out of a fear almost of being cursed if I didn’t. Wasted a lot of years in fear;
It wasn’t until I grew closer in my walk with Christ that I began to understand the heart of tithing and this changed my heart for why I personally tithe;
The tithe represents a trust that God can do more with my resources than I would; it’s also a matter of where I place my trust, in my resources or my Source. Moreover, the church needs resources to minister.
Great topic.
/Bklyn👑
So simple yet so profound, thanks you. Its only those who do not tithe Complain and make noise about it. But if thy grow spiritually they would understand the Heart of the father in tithing. Its about us receiving, not giving him, our Trust in the real source/ our provider which is God.
I don't see that as trusting the father. I'm all for giving. Jesus said not to worry about these things. Seek ye the kingdom first and all these things shall be added unto you
Robert all that sounds good, but it's STILL not TITHING. How you got closer to CHRIST and got a better understanding yet you don't understand the teaching in the Old Testament on TITHING?
Bernard Shand ewwww-eww! Somebody is maaad 🤬 with God! Can hear it all in your tone🤣😂.
Bernard, you realize you are not cursed if you don't tithe, Jesus fulfilled every curse owed me and you on the Cross; the issue is your heart....and it's clear from your comment -- You a "whole" mad 😂🙇🏽♂️🤦🏾♂️🤣
U got bigger issues than tithing,
you'll be aight tho👌🏾. Take a nap, wake up, find somebody else to troll. U'll be aight....
Yeshua Hamashiach!
#NoMoreResponseFromMeLivesMatter
/bklyn👑
@@robertmotion Lol. You're a funny guy. I'm not mad. I understand TITHING. Do you? On second thought, you're right. I'm MAD...mad at all pastors who preach FEAR and CURSES from MALACHI 3:8-12 on BELIEVERS in Jesus Christ, in order for them to pay up 10% of their money. Those preachers are HYPOCRITES. No doubt my man. TITHING is the Sugar stick of today's Christian churches to pay the bills. TITHING is a steady, constant inflow of cash, checks, debit and credit cards by which pastors use FEAR to accumulate. If you truly understand the teachings from the Holy SCRIPTURES on TITHING you would agree with me.
Where our money is, our heart is. We must support the Gospel, and missionaries to spread God's word. It's an act of Love and God sees all thinking around it.
In 1977, due to several colliding factors, we were teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. We had $1 of assets for each $70 of debt. I was a tither and also gave about 1% offerings. God showed us the error of tithing. We had a choice: we sure needed money to pay our debts, but we decided to stop tithing and give 11%. That triggered a series of small and large miracles so that in each of the next 3 years we paid off, without any real sacrifice, more than we grossed. After that the blessing ended, at least directly, as we had no debt. I attribute that to our seed increasing by 1000% with a 1000% increase in harvest. I wish the author had gone into the seedtime and harvest principle. I have never tithed a dime since. There is no blessing in paying a bill and that is what the tithe is, since it usually is taught that way. I will never again put my wallet under the curse of the law. A ministry lacking faith has punished it's own coffers by preaching the tithe.
Eloquently and simply put! The entire law not just tithing was absolved through Jesus death. They could not keep all 633 because if you broke one you broke them all. God’s grace got rid of it for that reason and that is why Jesus said I am the law. Love God with everything and then Your neighbor as yourself.
Alisha Smile Amen, you stated that perfectly 💖
uh, it was the ritual related law like circumcision and food laws not the moral law which Paul reiterates over and over. The tithe is not mentioned in NT just giving in general. the tithe function was to worship God and support the poor and the levites. these can be done without counting precisely.
Wrong, Jesus didn't come to change the law but to fullfill and complete the law. Why would anyone that claims to know God not be willing to give to Him what He asks. Selfishness! This is a false teaching that caters to this sin, selfishness!
Jesus said the law wouldn't pass away until fulfilled and that He came to fulfill it. the moral issues were reiterated but the covenant relevant partrs like circumcision an food laws passed away, see Acts. chapter 15. and Galatians. a specific ten percent, to be used for worship and the third year split between levites and the poor is not given in the NT but a more diffuse approach.
why don't you read the Scripture instead of listen to the pastor blabber? Jesus said nothing would pass away of the Law UNTIL all was fulfilled (so it will when it has been fulfilled) and He came to fulfill it, what continues is the moral issues. the Temple service also partly shown in heaven in Revelation is a basis for worship style. tithing is practiced by a lot of churches but that doesn't make it biblical. the Law works are circumcision etc. the covenant indicator specific laws and these are abolished or passed away, key elements in being in relationship with God, and are replaced by faith in Christ which if real results in obedience to Christ, Who emphasized giving to the poor not tithing per se to whatever gimmepig on TV or radio has his hand out (and drives a new car).
I went to a church when I was younger that one time said it wasn't enough and sent the offering plates back around and guilt tripped people into giving more.
wow, that is horrible!
Wow.
If I was attending that church I would of walked out of that church. I would of never returned.
Where God leads, HE provides 🙏🏽 (cheerful giver)!
@@catsmeow9025 Yes!🙏✝️😇
2 Corinthians 9:6-8 ESV
The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.
This video has mostly cleared my views.Giving sacrificially (willingness)is Better than giving 10% lawfully (when you give 10% It means you are not giving by your will /by force you have to give specific amount which is against/could be your Will).
tithes and offerings are two different things. YOu are not even giving to God out of your own resources until after you have tithed because the tithe is just transferring back to God ( to your local church) what never belonged to you in the first place. The tithe belongs to God. Then , out of the 90% you have left, which is yours, you can give offerings.
Giving tithe is totally different from giving our offerings... Offerings are ours... But tithes is God's... We cannot give what is not ours... We are just returning to God his portion... We are not actually giving to God yet, when we return to God the tithes... God is testing us how we are to handle faithfully this small part of 10%...if we are faithful with this little.. He might entrust us with "much"
@@CarlosJrAvila Sounds great, but what New Covenant *SCRIPTURE doctrine* says that?
None. Right.
Okay, then should we base our belief on what men teach OR on what the *SCRIPTURE doctrine* ACTUALLY SAYS?!
John 7:38 NKJV - “He who BELIEVES in Me, *AS the SCRIPTURE HAS SAID,* out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”
John 14:26 NKJV - "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, *He will TEACH you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I SAID to you."*
John 16:13 NKJV - “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, *He will guide you into ALL TRUTH;* for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."
@@frick6946 not in the Bible
@@CarlosJrAvila not in the Bible
for me, i feel the institutions are corrupt, and rather than giving to a man made institution of a denomination. I give my tithes in the form of helping others in need. Giving to the homeless, etc. where i know the money will do good things and not end up buying a priest a golden chalice.
Wow! What a way to totally ignore the bible and do whatever YOU see fit. Find a good church, commit and tithe faithfully. Be generous and give to others in need AS WELL. You're not giving to a corrupt institution, you're giving to GOD. Dont be fooled. You'll have to answer to God for this one day.
@@John37ful not exactly. In the old testament, the church was the government and tithes were taxes. The system worked just like any other government, the tithes would go towards bettering society. During Jesus time, after his crucifixion, church gatherings were from house to house at individuals homes. Each family would take turns hosting sabbath. The church as we know it today didn't come around until over 500 years after Jesus death. Jesus likely never intended for it to become centralized and organized in the manner we see today. But these institutions are incredibly corrupt. Many churches take the tithes and fill their own pockets, buying personal jets and mansions. All the while the people are suffering, being made poor to fuel the lavish lifestyles of corrupt preachers. You are to give tithes to God, not to men. It is better to do as the original intention was in the old testament and use the tithes to better society as is God's will.
steve Stevenson I appreciate your response. However, obviously if you're serving in a church where the pastor has a jet, get outta there! My church supports the local, national and international people. We give generously. I give to my church to support the staff there so they can devote their time to building the body of Christ. I know my money doesn't only "support them" but also benefits others as we give to those in need too.
Above all, I give because God gave first. Do you mind me asking, are you faithfully attending a church?
@@John37ful oh yes I attend weekly. I give a bit in order to keep the lights on. The staff though are all volunteer, and receive no salary.same with the preacher. But I have traveled over seas as a missionary.and one thing I've noticed is with alot of the major denominations they use the money to build hospitals and schools which at face value seem nice, but if you look into it. These are for profit facilities and often times the cost is so high that only the rich can afford to use them. The poor who need the facities cannot afford to go to the hospitals or send their kids to the schools. It really is a travesty. When I ask about why the schools tuitions are so high, one man explained it like this. They don't care about the poor because the poor cannot pay big tithes, the rich are given a Christian education because when they grow up they will give more money and have power in the government the church can use.
@@John37ful for me, I feel it is best to take matters into your own hands. Start your own small programs, in the churches name if need be. Go out and engage in programs yourself, rather than just give your money and hope that the church is being responsible. While you are not held accountable for the actions of bad actors in a denomination, it isn't solving any of the world's problems. At least if I do it myself, and use my tithes to do it myself, then I know at least someone is getting helped.
I totally agree with u prof.
Thanks this is such a blessing for me. we can give 10 percents, 20 percents, even 30 percents, if we r willing to give. we are not binding to any rules anymore to give tithing.
God bless you prof
The word “tithe” means “tenth part”. In spanish, the word for tithing is “diezmo”. Diez is the word for “ten”. Certainly, God would not punish a person for giving what they feel they want to give, but the 10th part is what is asked. It is important that we do all things in wisdom and order and not let guilt drive our decisions to give, but rather... LOVE.
we can give 10 20 30 % ...but I bet you don't nor do most Christians because we are greedy by nature - correct me if I am wrong ---we must pay tithe so the minister can live in a house and feeed his kids as you do...such asinine self-centered beleifs read 1 cor 9. 14 . 2nd cor. 11.8 , malachi 3.8-10 and Abraham paid tithe long before the old covenant was made ..so do some study before you expound supposed truth and deep wisdom
I have been struggling to get on board with tithing but this seems like the best compromise answer. "Give until it hurts" sounds better than "Give 10% even if it breaks you"
Yep, and it's interesting how there no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages.
Free Will offering. No man should be able to account for how much you give to GOD.
Amazing
I thought I was crazy, Every fellowship I go to is so keen on tithing, and I'm sitting there thinking "am i the only one that read the Bible"
The clergy don’t want to work like the rest of us. Ministry is full-time regardless of our other vocations.
I had this revelation at like young and when I brought it up I was almost crucified
@@Perdont lot of greedy prescherss like their cushy lifestyle and do not that threatened
Another Scrooge mentality towards the father!
Excuses excuses!
Read about honour, study honour, the financial revelation is hidden in honour!
Thank you
I remember being taught tithing a child that even if we got only a single dollar then we were to give a dime of that single dollar in tithe. Also people who were really struggling moneywise were encourage to keep giving anyway because as they gave then God bless them and you always heard people talking about”oh I got a better job it was such a blessing” and they acted as though it came from giving the tithe itself and like it couldn’t have happened without tithing. But yes definitely grew up hearing that if you didn’t give in tithe that you were taking away from God and you were being stripped of a blessing. They would also say that we don’t live in the agricultural system anymore so we could just bring money. Oh one other thing I also remember is that everyone in the congregation is expected to give 10% but if you are a member of the church you are usually expected to give at least 15% that is my experience.
Flee from that church
Yes support the church but the church absolutely should not be pushing people to give money. You cannot serve both God and Money. Put first the Kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you.
@@repentandfollowjesus3474 yes we left years ago, but my parents still believe in tithing. I’m happy to give but in varying ways.
2 Corinthians 9 : 7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart , so let him give not grudgingly , or of necessity: for God loveth the cheerful giver..
At no time were first-century Christians commanded to pay tithes. The purpose of the tithing arrangement under the Law has been to support Israel’s temple and priesthood; the obligation to pay tithes ceased when the Mosaic Law covenant came to end as fulfilled, through Christ death on the torture stake.
The tithe was tied not just to the Temple, but to the land and to the tribes of Israel.
What do you have as far as scripture reference goes?
thats because the church was the government at the time, it was identical to taxes.
Great !!! GOD provided for us a salvation easy enough for a child to understand and thus it is that giving also should be simple and clear cut . thanks for simple guidelines !!! Praise the LORD !
Here are a few key points that everyone needs to understand, on the topic of tithing:
(1) Levites receive tithes, and no one else. God Himself mandated this (see Numbers 18:21-22).
(2) The tithe of Abraham to Melchizeded was a tithe of tradition, not religion, becasue there were no religious or legal requirement to tithe, as he did.
(3) The tithe promised by Jacob was similarly one of tradition, not a religious observance
(4) No gentile has ever been required to tithe in the Old testament. Only Jews. And only to Levites, because of Numbers 18:21-22.
(5) No gentile has ever been asked to tithe in the New Testament, and certainly, not the church
(6) Every mention to tithe in the New Testament was directed to Jews, as was required by the law of Moses, never to Gentiles
(7) Gentile believers were never required to live by the law of Moses in the New Testament; this law is what mandated tithing.
Concerning giving, or tithing, or prosperity, Malachi 3:8-12 is not the full counsel of God. It is an excerpt, quoted to the church for centuries (believe it or not), which is a misrepresentation of God's counsel. We've accepted it because that's what we have always been taught. If you're interested in learning more, check out "Tither, You Are Free!", available on Amazon.
So funny how pastors always refer to Old Testament scripture to justify tithing. But then what about the law? Yeshua is the fulfillment of all law. Pastors preach more on giving than they do on sin. And in NT there is more taught about sin than tithing. Hello???
Exactly!
I agree. I was a regular church attendee and I left for this reason. I went to church to find peace and unity, I didn't have to leave my house to hear about financial hardship, I had enough of my own. Doesn't everyone? Todays cost of living is different than biblical times. Healthcare costs, retirement funds, daycare, education. All things that were nonexistent then. So where would cuts need to be made in order to tithe 10%?
@@laurapaladino9886
I pray you move past the negative spirits that have gotten involved in your walk amd you truly seek what God wants not what you feel you should do. Let God be true and every man a liar. God has set his requirements its up to us to get out of our own way and obey him. For info on tithing I pray you read this article . God Bless.
kenraggio.blogspot.com/2015/01/tithing-versus-robbing-god.html?m=1
Amen Londa! I tell people this all the time.
You can say that again. It seems they talk about giving and tithing far more than they do sin.
I agree with this. Thank you. This seems to be the most reasonable answer based on scripture. A lot of people tie the tithe to whether or not they will be blessed. Stating things like if you build God’s house he will build yours ect. I think its more about the joy we get from giving and having a cheerful heart. We live in a very materialistic society, and I’m guilty of it too. I pray that the Lord will give me grace in this matter. It’s a very humbling topic.
Giving is clear, joyfully. If you’re being guilted into tithing, I’d approach the pastor.
I was skeptical about giving any church my money, however, once I submitted to giving my %10 percent regularly, I have had an abundance of income that I never experienced before. Call it anecdote if you want, but I don't argue with results. Glory be to God.
A tithe, under Mosaic Law in the old testament was agricultural produce, not money. There was more than one type of tithe, one was a celebratory tithe (Deut 14) something I have yet to witness in the modern day church ! The pharisees of Matth 23 who were fastidious tithers were called hypocrites by Jesus, they certainly were not putting GOD first. Jesus fulfilled the law on the cross so that we could be set free from it. The Apostle Paul warned of the danger of trying to go back under the law in Gal 3. The new testament disciples did not practice tithing and there is no commandment in the new testament to do this. The standard for the new testament church is heartfelt cheerful giving as written in 2 Cor 9.
I blindly tithe in church and God blessed me all the time . I thought I had to but did it happily and could not see the blessings coming they happened so fast. Till afterwards I was and have always been amazed . I didn't do it for anything in return . I think you should tithe I don't think after studying now that it is a requirement. But you should ! and yes we are to give. Anyways that's my ten cents....get it lol
@Yahudah Israel I don't know what that was about! But hello how are you? You don't believe God will bless you when you give? Or do you believe your the only one serving God and everyone else doesn't..
I will only say that even if the 10% was meant for the old testament I truly believe without it today most people would give very little to nothing and the churches would probably financially die! For 15 years I worked for a church in my area here and I seen what happened when people stopped or slowed in giving! Almost near chaos! So for me and my house, we will continue to give! With us, 10% may not be a lot but, at least it's given with a 'pure' heart consistently!
10% should be the minimum amount , if you read the Whole Bible it is clearly for your own benefit if you do this with a generous Heart. If you sow generously you will reap generously .The book of Malachi is still relevant to all Christians today as well as Proverbs .The Bible is one book not two, Both the New and Old Testament has the Ten Commandments and Jesus came to up hold the Law not take it away.Tithing was and is an important part of being a Christian and God wants us to do it so he can bless us, he promises to do so .
Ian, very excellent analogy!
@@ianbrazier3993 foolishness!!! malachi 3 was rebuking the priest for dealing unjustly with the tithes and the other 11 tribes by extension. It have absolutely no command that gentiles should give tithe. 2 corinth 10 deals with stingy giving and bountiful giving.. that is the standard for gentiles. However your heart is that will determine God's response of giving and how much you do intent to give. Levi the other 11 tribes and God made a convenant of tithing. How did that jump over to the new convenant? Only levite priests could of collected tithes. Are pastors levite priests? Only the other 11 tribes was commanded to give tithe. Are titthers today from any lineage of judah, benjamin,issacor, simeon etc?.. don't just read your bible but study it. Charlatans and balaam prophets behind pulpits today be careful , but study to shew thyself approve dividing God's word properly without deceit or partially.
I give to the poor , .God bless you
@@ianbrazier3993 never does God look over the kindness we show to others especially those of the household of faith! Your service to those in need shows God's hand is still at work for through benevolence God performs one of His greatest works, mercy to those who may not deserve it! God's blessings to you my friend!
There is a difference between GIVING Tithes and PAYING Tithes... This was good teaching. We are no longer bound by the Law. We are now living under the dispensation of Grace. GOD love a cheerful giver. We sow sparingly we will reap sparingly. We sow bountifully we will reap bountifully. Amen
All given must come from the heart actually everything you do for ADONAI must come from the heart.
So what did God mean when he said "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"? A man/woman's "heart" or what they "feel" to be right can be very deceitful. Jesus taught us of the wide path that many travel on that leads to death... sounds a lot like this proverb "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death." Truth sets people free because it changes their mind about their sin and by the Holy Spirit sets the heart on the narrow path of God living in us. Only then can our deceitful heart be changed.
@@jcarh yes the heart is deceitful, but what you should remember our hearts are been transformed by the inner working of the Holy Spirit. As we are been transformed even our actions start to change. Giving becomes and easier choice as our default setting is to think about ourselves. To me the knowledge that Christ died for me to inherit eternal life is the key motivator to good works. That act that God did is an act of love that is incomparable and that should be our motivator than legalism.
Adonai lmfao ok mr jew sir. Just because you say Adonai does not make you a super Christian you want to know how I know this because I used to be like that the only advice I can actually give you that from the heart is be yourself buddy
@@jcarh 1st Corinthians 9:9-14. That's all i gotta say
One of the most thorough treatments of the tithing issue is by Dr Russell Kelly: Should the Church Teach Tithing?
The Evangelical church is guilty of willful deception with regard to tithing (particularly Southern Baptists).
Friends don't get deceived yourselves. Tithing is still required today. You will be surprised when you find yourself in Hell because these kind of false teachings.
I agree 100% that it's not required of us because we're not under that covenant anymore, BUT I do tithe and when I started tithing, my giving to the church and the kingdom lead to a significant increase in my finances. I basically use the 10% as a guide to keep myself from being stingy, otherwise my flesh would have me selfishly just throwing 5 or 10 bucks in the plate and calling it a day. God blesses those who give generously and not begrudgingly or out of necessity. I believe He blesses those who know it's not required and they do anyway with more, because they do it out of gratitude instead of obligation
Well I have never tithed but do give and equally blessed. So it's never about the amount but about the state of the heart. Also using finances as a measure of blessedness is something you ought to be careful about. There is no guarantee that those finances will stay in this unpredictable life. Actually the true blessing of Christ is eternal life.
To give out of your necessity means more to God than to give out of your abundance
I believe the tithe is floor where we begin, not the ceiling where we end. Our pastor taught our church to tithe, and we saw God do what he said He would do! Nuff said!
A christian gives according to their faith "For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin." (Romans 14:23). If you tithe because of old testement laws, you are not giving by faith. Some cannot give 10%.
Tithing is not required anymore but is still honored. Thou shall not kill is also an Old Testament commandment but is still held up to even society’s standards. So don’t tithe you’ll be ok but tithe and God will bless you accordingly.
Joel Nunez God won't bless you for tithing he will bless you for your offering
I see it as obey God then blessing come as a secondary thing. Edit: I cant recall all book but the few verses i know about offering/giving is in 2 Corinthians 9:6-15, which with my understanding, talks about our giving/offering. I can't say im right or wrong, but it's best to refer back to bible and confirm it with the answers from God
@@AT-oh3yy it talks about offering and generous giving.
Didn't know you had to pay The Most High God for blessings 🤔
Joel I pray you be careful who you are learning from. So many people dont truly understand and therefore mislead people. Most do so out of rebellion and not being submissive to God. I pray you'll read this article on tithing. God Bless.
kenraggio.blogspot.com/2015/01/tithing-versus-robbing-god.html?m=1
Where does it say to give a sacrificial tithe?
It never was commanded gentiles to tithe anything because we were never under that law.
We are to live by faith.
If we do give it doesn't have to be a certain amount but any amount. 🤗
In the old testament system, the priests also served as physicians, school teachers, the law enforcement and judiciary. A 20% "tithe" covered quite a lot not covered by churches today.
I give to those in need directly as God guides me. I won't give to a tax free corporation with false teaching. We are the church, spread the gospel, love God with everything you have and people as yourself.
On the topic of tithing, there are certain conditions for someone to tithe according to the Law. First, the tithe included produce from the land and animals. Second, tithing was designated specifically for compensating the Levites who had no inheritance of land as their reward for their service in the temple. Even the status of high priest has been transferred to the Messiah, and we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, that doesn’t mean the conditions of tithing have changed.
Now, this doesn’t mean we are exempt from being givers since the New Testament illustrates about giving and generosity. There is no set amount as it is based on what you are led to give with the caveat being the more generous you are the more you will reap. Furthermore, you are to be generous for genuine reasons and not to expect recompense or reward.
One of the best ways you can give is by helping another become productive and self-sufficient. When someone who was previously dependent upon others is no longer a financial burden, it frees up resources for others who are still in need. Of course, once you reach an age where you are too weak to be self-sufficient, that is an exception where people can continue to help you. This is why you need to prepare for your senior years so you don’t become a future burden on others.
So as for tithing according to the modern day definition, it is a false doctrine that is manipulated by clergy due to greed and laziness, and the evidence of this is the lifestyle of the clergy in comparison to that of the members of the local body the clergy oversees. If a pastor has a multi-million dollar mansion or even multiple homes due to the donations of members and not personal labor and accomplishments while most of the members are struggling and even living in poverty, that is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Prosperity gospel preachers qualify as this. Even if the pastor has book deals and royalties, but personally profit from the donations that are designated for ministry, that is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
THEN WARE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES GOD TELL US THE CHURCH TO TITHE, JESUS REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW THROUGH THE BLOOD COVER-NET , WE'RE UNDER GRACE AN MERCY THROUGH FAITH , CAUSE WE CANT BE BOTH, CURSED LAW/REDEEMED/BLOOD
JACQUES HUISWOUD Hey all caps, take it easy. PS, inherited religion has led you astray. If you have faith in Yeshua, you will have fruit. Which is obedience to the Torah. You can’t be justified through the law, but it is how God wants to be loved!
Totally agree 👍
The church I go to we don't pass plates we have offering boxes because it prevents people to get uncomfortable about tithings
I thought he did a pretty good job, but failed on others. Folks automatically assume that when one gives an offering, regardless of the percentage, it should be to the institutional church. But where in the New Testament is there ever an example or statement suggesting such? Instead, what we see happening is specific offerings for a certain cause. For instance in 1 Cor. 16, the church was told to "save," or "put aside" a sum of money each week, storing it up, so that when Paul came to collect funds for the needy saints in Jerusalem he wouldn't have to take up several collections. There is no reason to believe that these offerings took place after that until another cause might have arisen.
In fact, as we study the New Testament, we see the offerings were comprised of helping needy saints and traveling missionaries and traveling apostles. Today, only about 2% of a church's budget goes into benevolence. Plus, there is no example of a full time, local, salaried minister. Not even the Rabbis were given a salary until about the 5th or 6th century. Paul's wish was that all become like him and support themselves. Paul didn't want to malign the Gospel by taking money for himself. He even supported the men who had traveled with him. We know of only one or two examples where Paul received any money, even though as a traveling apostle, he certainly had the right to it.
Even with the tithing under the Old Testament Law of Moses, not everyone was required to tithe. The poor were not required to tithe, nor professions that didn't involve ranchers or farmers.
Paul says about our New Testament giving: "For the ministry of this service is not only fully supplying the needs of the saints, but is also overflowing through many thanksgivings to God." 2 Cor. 9:12. It is certainly honorable if God presents a needy brother or sister in your path, to help them with your offering on a personal basis.
The church had a distinct advantage during the first few hundred years of her existence: She didn't have to maintain buildings, property, parking lots, salaries, or the like. So the offerings were able to go to the needy and to support missionary missions.
We have moved a long way from the original purpose and goal of New Testament offerings.
Amen my brother. Are you alone like me Christian fellowship wise or do you still knowing truth like me go to a church anyway or do you avoid like me the modern day Pharisees they call a church. I do t know what to do I want fellowship but Jesus said we must be with Christians no those that call themselves Christian. Jesus said my brother sister and mother are those that do my Father's will. All the church dies is create more churches so they can ask for more money and make un-biblical rituals
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D. L. Starkey ... I’m talking about the speaker: You are so very wrong, God doesn’t change, he is the same yesterday, today and forever...if Jesus commands Tithe, then it prevails. To make it simple, only the sons of God, the ones who love God, they will tithe because they love God, those that are satan’s sons, they don’t love God and they will find any excuse not to tithe, they argue that they could give an offering, but it’s only an argument because they don’t even go to church or they don’t care... Jesus said, if you love me, you will keep commandments, Jesus said, I have not come abolish the law but to fulfill the law. It’s a no brainer, dah....
@@Ministeringtoday you are severely ignorant and blind. There is no such thing as tithing. You speak like a fool. I have 5000 dollars if you wish to challenge me on this topic.
In acts 4 the donations were used to help needs members. I told my pastor I don’t have enough for my electric bill and water bill. He said they would pray for me. The church has 6 figures in the bank.
When I changed church I still tithed to the old church I went to and not to the new church because I still loved my old church And my heart was still there, I found my work started drying up, I said God ok I'll tithe to the new church I'm going to - as soon as I did my work in my business started picking up again..!!
Where in the bible were tithes received from earned wages?
Tithing was food and not money! The Lord wants us to be cheerful givers and not ordered to pay! The body of Christ is the true church and Jesus Christ head of the true church! The true church is free of charge so no laws saying we have to pay tithing! Be under grace in the true church and not under any laws of today! Tithing was a law but Jesus Christ fulfill the laws for true believers that are in the true church which is his body! If people still follow the laws today then Christ died in vain! ( Galatians 2:21 )
Bible says, “you shall not kill, you shall not steal”, I know that was part of the law, but does not mean it is ok to do it. So I believe, we should stop talking about the law, and just do what is right, true , pure and acceptable to God! Giving and tithing also shows that we trust God, we love God and the money that we give or offer to the church we trust God that He will guide , lead the elders or whoever is the treasurer for the advancement of God’s Kingdom while we are here on earth. I mean why do we even argue to why we should give? Of course, no churches should be forcing the flock in giving an amount of money, but when I was taught about giving to the Lord I never asked. I just believed and trust in God and Christ Jesus Who provided all my needs and Who will continue to provide my needs even my remaining amount of money I will share to the church and I am blessed on that. I have joy and happiness in my heart when I give because I trust in Him that He will use that money to reach other people, making/ buying Bibles to give out to those who does not have. From where our Bible comes from, it does not come freely , someone somewhere paid it to be made to distribute. And from that Book we grew up knowing God and His righteousness. Imaging if no one has ever offered or gave money wholeheartedly, how can other people know the gospel aside from hearing it from people. So this is what I mean to say, why do we have to question or argue about giving or being generous to the Lord’s work He entrusted us… we should be united in giving for the expansion of God’s Kingdom. That’s what the first church did in the book of Acts, they shared what they have and nowadays most of the things you can’t have something without buying it using money. Here, we talk and argue about money money money but it is the least in the Kingdom of God! Come on brethren, stop arguing and share what you have! I believe there is nothing wrong with that! Keep loving one another and sharing the blessings that we have!
I think you are picking and choosing what you want to do, and what you don't want to do. The Bible is useless if people don't follow it to change anything in society.
@@godislove5799 The probable reason why tithing wasn't in the 10 commandments was that systematic tithes were facilitated by temporal ceremonial and civil ordinances, not a moral law. Systematic, biblical tithes were payment, not gifts, only they were only received as produce and livestock from the Holy land. The bible doesn't give us the option of monetizing the tithe as a tithe deliverable. That's something man invented after the bible was written.
@@markb7067 that is what I am saying, it could be money or any harvest from the land. Anything that can be use to expand the Kingdom and I believe nowadays, we can’t do much without money, how can we go to other nation to share the gospel, buy a Bible to be shared to those who can’t buy and who don’t have. It is about how we can be resourceful to use and give what we have to share, that can support the ministry of the Lord. My question is, why we can give other things (goods, harvest etc) and not money? Why? We can trust people to handle and receive our goods, any harvest and not money? Why? So, you can see the difference there. Most people become stingy when it comes to money, they always think that when they give they’ll be broke. They can pay huge taxes but not to God’s work. And again, if you can’t trust God with the giving of your goods, harvest or money there’s no point and no benefit for you and for the other believers if you give what you have. It is the heart, it is putting God’s first after yourself, your health your wealth etc ,that when you give you don’t have doubt but only trust in Jesus that He will use those for His work. Now, if you don’t trust your church ask God where you can give for the advancement of His Kingdom. It is about giving what WE RECEIVED.
@@godislove5799 In response to your question "My question is, why we can give other things (goods, harvest etc) and not money? Why?" We can give money, goods, time, food, anything at all. The point is that biblical, systematic tithing wasn't giving. All systematic tithes were required, compulsory submissions and were not received as money. So saying that we tithe money today according to the bible isn't biblical. We aren't following biblical, systematic tithing at all, we are simply submitting a voluntary offering, whether it be 10% or otherwise. The point is we are free to give, not biblically bound to pay money to a religious institution or anywhere else. Blessings in your giving.
Mind blowing.... u answered so many of my questions that was taunton me ...thank you so much...GOD bless you and the work you do for the LORD.
Hi Dr. Thomas, Abram gave tithes to Melchizedek 450 years before the mosaic law was given on Mt. Sinai.
How does it become a mosaic covenant?
There are those who pick and choose scripture to further their agenda...so sad.
So sad a Dr. could misinterpret scripture like this. Nearly 500years before mosaic law, Abraham tithed to a mysterious figure (Melchizedech) who was almost like God in the form of a man.
Abraham and Jacob tithe by faith not by legalism. He tithe as a worship to God. He was willing to give up a percentage of his possessions to God cause they knew God will provide. Tithing is an act of faith. It allows God to truly be the provider in our hearts. Just saying God is the provider but walk in it is the biggest lie we do to ourselves.
Let’s see? Everything I think I own, actually belongs to God the giver! The whole dollar is His but He only wants a dime of it! Now I’m upset because He is too demanding? My heart is fully exposed in my attitude towards this outlandish request! Shame on me and please forgive me, dear Father.
Jesus requires self denial. And it covers every part of our life: time, talents and treasure. If we only give our tithes, we still haven't denied our selves.
Great job presenting a balanced and accurate analysis
Thank you for explaining this. I am going to do more research but it is nice to know (joyful) that giving your time is tithing also.
YES, giving your time is tithing!
It's hard to see how tithing came into church practice apart as a means of trying to get church members to give more money to the church. I tithed for 30 years (in fact for 20 of those years on my gross income ie before tax, not my net income) and found myself financially struggling and in fairly serious debt. I studied the new testament and came to the same conclusion as this message. From what I could tell, we are to give according to the level of our faith that God is telling us to give. I changed my families giving to that giving level and was faithful with it. Our finances took an upward turn from that time on and a number of financial provisions came our way to the point that we were no longer in debt and usually had a surplus at the end of each month. I know some people have literally the opposite testimony to that, but this is my testimony and I am thankful to God for it.
It’s not complex, everything we do as a New Testament believers we do it by grace through faith wether it’s 10 or 20 %!
All the things you do for God are part of your tithe....clean the church...help your neighbors. ...give money to a student in need....clothes to a homeless person. ...our pastors preach on 10 percent a lot since it supports them in their career choice.....what's wrong with a pastor actually working at a job and then able to do more for God's kingdom?
These things are not a part of any tithe. They are things we do not tithe.
Great video that I think is rooted in Scripture. I have found that the answers given here are shared with other notable leaders of churches and Christian thought professors, and I think that's something I can get behind. I sometimes think about how I can't always get to the church or that 10% is a lot of money to give if you don't have a lot of money to give in the first place, especially if you're someone like me who has my family that's growing and you aren't financially stable at that time. Tithing is, as said in the video, not something that you are obligated to do and even if you want to do it, not being able to because of immediate circumstances just not something to be ashamed of if you feel so compelled to be a part of a giving campaign I'm sure you can find a way to be of use if you don't have enough money volunteering to help a fundraiser or using your talents to build something for a charity auction that would be desirable that would be auctioned off 4 money that goes to a charitable cause is just as good as giving money directly. But more to the point, instead of adopting a mindset of I have to give 10% to the church, take the mindsets someone who looks for opportunities to give and to put money into causes they believe in. If you are an orphan perhaps you can look at orphanages and see if there's financial needs or something you can do in person to help an orphanage meets their goals. If you are a survivor of an abusive relationship no matter what its context, you should look into helping those who have experienced similar things in their own lives at being a resource for those people because no amount of money can see old wounds that is created from an abusive relationship but someone that understands those life experiences and has come out of them stronger make for invaluable resources. Perhaps you are a talented construction oriented person in are able to build houses, go on a mission trip that helps build houses for people that have nothing and watch store time be the biggest thing that impacts a small community in a roll part of the world. most of the time it's easier to give a little bit of money than it is to actually put yourself out there and I'd wager that in some cases your time is worth significantly more than the dollars you give. Be a cheerful giver with whatever it is you choose to give when you choose to give it. Just don't be conceited and selfish with your time and your money because I'm sure there were times when you needed something and somebody else stepped up for you that had no obligations. I believe it's those people that we are called not to be in the New testament.
Chris Schroeder these guy couldn’t be more wrong and the sad thing is they are supposed to be biblical scholars !!!!!!! First of all the law of tithing was not established by the Mosaic law, tithing was first established by Job!!!!!! Job is the first book written not Genesis.. Before the law of Moses men sacrificed to God after the law was given the Levite was the only ones allowed to make sacrifice for the people That means Job lived before Moses and Abram because the text states that he was the riches man in the east not Abram!!!!!!!! So Job made sacrifices according to the number of children that he had now go Count how many children he had!!!!! It’s “10” one sacrifice would have been 10% but he did 100% over the sufficient amount that’s why he was rich and God put a hedge of protection around him and his family !!!!!! The same blessings that God said he would do in Malachi 3:10-11. Abram gave tithe to “Melchizedek” the high priest Genesis 14:20 then God blessed him and changed his name To Abraham!!!!!!! So the law of tithing was Established before the circumcision!!!!!!! Tithing was and is a natural & spiritual law that God incorporated into mosaic law to make sure that Israel would be protected and blessed by him but only if they obeyed!!!!!!!!! Let me give you a New Testament example to the church Paul wrote these words to the Roman Church in Romans11:16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.!!!!!!! Paul says the tithe is Holy and so is the Lump meaning the rest of your income is blessed by God!!!!! He’s talking to the church my friend... you can live off give and it shall be given and if you sow sparingly you shall also reap sparingly but if you sow bountifully you shall reap bountifully but those spiritual laws want make your income Holy unto God nor is he obligated to rebuke the devourer for your sake only tithing brings the Promises of Of God to thithers not sowing and reaping !!!!! Read the Bible for yourself and don’t be fooled by these guys with no Holy Spirit leading them in the scriptures!!!!!!!!
@@rolltide2937 You wrote all of that for no reason. I don't know every square inch of the Bible and the Old Testament isn't something that I've spent as much time studying as the New Testament. However, nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus make any declaration that Christians should always give up 10% of their income. That's a pharisee's lie. The only commentary on "giving" in the New Testament centers around cheerful giving and being willing to assist others with your time.
Also if you're going to talk about tithing in the Old Testament please get it right. The first evidence of tithing is in Genesis 14:20 where Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils of war to Melchizedek. Tithing is also not a part of the 10 Commandments which is basically the only Old Testament law Christians carry on with following the life and death of Jesus. Tithing is also exclusively observed only in Israel under the old covenant and nowhere else in the world and the Bible. Also, if tithing were still required or needed, 10% is NOT what people tithed to the Levites and the Priests under the old covenant. There are examples of tithing well beyond 10% and that makes tithing even more of a grey area because there's no specificity within the notion. Jesus himself criticizes tithing of "things" and specifically calls out how there are way more important things in life than tithing ("Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others". -Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42).
Instead, we have Acts 2 "And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had...". Acts 11:27 "And the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren that dwelt in Judaea". The closest we constantly get to tithing is giving to the poor in the NT ("
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I gave order to the churches of Galatia, so also do ye. 2Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come. 3And when I arrive, whomsoever ye shall approve, them will I send with letters to carry your bounty unto Jerusalem" - 1 Cor. 16:1-4).
Nobody's lying here, you're just getting riled up over nothing. God loves a cheerful giver, not someone that feels compelled to give 10% or more of their assets over to the church. What does the "church" do with it? Pay staff, utility bills, equipment for services. These are all great things but these are things that are supported out of peoples' generosity and unfortunately has been pressed as a "must-do" thing out of "obedience" here. There's no cheerful giving if you're obeying this issue that's not a commandment. There's only giving out of requirement - not cheer (though perhaps there are moments where you'd feel great to give). It's not a major fault of Christianity that people be willing to give but there are people that are in real need of financial assistance and in-person help that don't work in the comforts of a church. There are orphans, widowed families, drug addicts, and others that need charity and Christians should be leading that charge more than throwing cash into a church pot to which only 30% is probably going outside of the church. Again, not a BAD thing to be doing with your money but if giving is what you strive to do then you're giving in a place where you're doing perhaps the least amount of global good. If it were up to me, I'd call for all of the "small" churches to be broken up and to form larger churches worldwide (if possible) to reduce staffing waste costs and serve a larger body of people with a more cost-conscious facility and staff. Then more of the money given to the church can be used for giving to those outside of the church. But that's a pipe dream that focuses on efficiency.
Chris Schroeder you didn’t read Job1 did you!!!!!! The point of tithing is the sacrifice of what sustains you in this world!!!!! In Jobs day it was animals in Cain and Abel day it was animals Cain sacrificed of the firstlings that’s the same as the first fruits of tithing in the mosaic law. The Bible says that God honored Abel’s sacrifice !!!! You are missing the spiritual side Where God honors the sacrifice of those who obey giving of the tithe he’s the same yesterday today and forever he still honors those Who are obedient to giving the tithe !!!!!! The fact that Paul said to the Romans that the first fruit was still Holy to God means he is still honoring his word to Malachi!!!!!!!!!! Job lived before Abraham and the same hedge of protection that God placed over Job and his family is available to those who are willing to sacrifice a tenth!!!!! You are right you don’t have to tithe but I know how spiritual law works so I know that Satan is able to attack your finances and home because you want make the sacrifice of the tenth!!!!!!! Money will come in but it want stay your health will be good but not all the time doctor bills will add up things that shouldn’t be in your life will be there because you haven’t tapped into Gods promise to those who tithe!!!!!!!!!
@@rolltide2937 Again Christians aren't required to follow the old Jewish laws. Also, you keep neglecting the fact that there were a SPECIFIC body of people that received tithes that no longer exist and the tithes exclusively went to the preservation of Israel and God's people there. Unless I'm not mistaken churches aren't sending money to Israel. But the fact that JESUS, the one thing that matters most in the entire Bible, never once commands you to do it and Christians are called to heed Jesus' commands and follow his example (and Jesus never displayed giving money to the church ever in his documented life and specifically de-prioritizes the idea of "tithing" numerous times) it's important to not get caught up in it. If you want to tithe, great, but God wants the heart and the authenticity of your faith, not your money because your money isn't worth anything. One major problem of tithing is God doesn't need that money or church buildings to do good work. If anything, we're simply supporting men and women of faith that want to create crisis centers for whoever wants to be a part of it. But when you see churches that don't use their money well or don't open their doors during times of true crisis (I'm looking at you, Joel Osteen) you can easily see how spending your money on church is a flawed concept. Give if you want to - God bless you for being generous in that way, but don't only give to the church and ignore a friend, family member, or perhaps a stranger in need of a real moment of generosity so they can maybe pick themselves up, or at the very-least see that God is real and his followers aren't all ignorant to the needs of others in the world that don't go to church on Sunday.
Chris Schroeder the church is based on Grace but the laws against sin are followed by the church so we still follow Gods laws “fornication adultery idolatry murder etc.” are still followed by the church. The institution of Tithing was before Abraham and Moses was even born!!!!!!! So it’s not mosaic law it’s a spiritual law that God incorporated into The Mosaic law!!!!!!!! It right there in black and white I’ve mentioned the scriptures in my previous post it’s a fact not my opinion or theory, the book of Job is the first book written not Genesis. The Bible is not in chronological order most people don’t realize this so your thinking is a lil off on tithing but it’s your choice to follow are not to follow but I suggest you ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in studying the subject. Jesus said render to Caesar that which belongs to Caesar and render to God that which belongs to God what do you think belongs to God??????
I would like to add: Tithe was never money. It was produce of land. Second, I have a question: To whom shall we give? Poor and needy? Church pastors? Any suggestions on that ?
We're free to give as we are able and as lead to do so. Sometimes it's perfectly fine to give to a family member, friend or neighbor.
To tithe means to give to the Lord, so I will say to your local church. The Lord anoints members of the church to do His works for Him. Also the collective resource is able to out reach better. If any church is negligent with the money, the Lord will deal with them Himself.
@@vanvan-yw7iw Biblical, systematic tithing was a gift. Tithes were required, so they were payments but weren't received as money.
@@markb7067 NT churches need to do God's good works too. Without financial support from their own members of their churches is very difficult for them - Recall how Peter collected tithes in NT to do God's work.
@@vanvan-yw7iw Yes, churches need money. No, Peter never collected or paid a tithe. An offering is a gift, not a payment. Systematic, biblical tithes were payments, only not received as money.
Those who dont wish to give love this teaching
giving is one thing, tithing is another.
People love to hear good things about their bad habits. Any video about tithing that has many upvotes invariably teaches falsehoods.
HeWantsFruit so you agree with the old covenant then that we still live under the law and not Grace? When you give by Grace there is no number sometimes you can give 10% 5% 40 or even 100% why? Because you’re grateful for what God has done with your financial living. I believe God deserves way more than just 10%. Some Christians get so attached to that 90% they “get to keep”. Check again “Christians” everything we have belongs to Our Creator. Everything.
@@Rene.doulos Abraham gave %10 tithe before Sinai before Moses before the Levites and before God's covenant with Abraham so it is unfair of you to project on to tithe a false "grace v. the law." With the exception of the promise not to flood the earth (Gen 8:22)
Tithe precedes every covenant in the Bible.
The %10 is a mandatory obligation which even the apostle Paul claimed was commanded/ordained by Jesus (1 Cor 9:13-14). You are free to be as "grace" minded as you want with offerings beyond the tithe but the %10 tithe is mandatory. It is the personal property of God and must be returned to His church for the purpose of evangelism so that other people who know nothing about Jesus can learn about Him. Not returning tithe is evidence we don't care about Jesus being made known in the world and evidence we do not want Jesus to return (Matthew 24:14).
@@HeWantsFruit when did Jesus ever preach and say that tithe were mandatory? abraham tithed and so did Jacob but those were one time incidents. tithes were mandatory for the leviticus priests. what do you mean i can be as grace minded as i can be? wow do you not know we live under grace and not the law. u bet im going to live as grace minded as i can be, thats a free gift i couldnt earn or deserve u bet your life im going to be as grace minded as i can be. keep living under the mosaic law. may the Holy Spirit give you wisdom and guide you to JESUS CHRIST. God loves a cheerful giver!
From my understanding, most mentions of tithing in the Bible were more of a required government tax (because Israel was a theocracy before the Romans took over) and not what we think of generous giving today. The 20% number that you mentioned shows this because that number is a combination of 3 different tithes that were required at the time, which again is more of a required government tax than a church donation.
Christians are generous people who give to those in need. To the poor, the needy, family members and others who need something.
We are not called to prop up an institution. The church is the body. We support one another as and where is needed.
Not a building.
How about the widow with the two mites🤔? That always convicts me...
Blessings, indeed that's a good thought, but remind the word says she GAVE not TITHED, God bless!
I haven’t went through and read all of the comments to this video, so this may have been pointed out already. If this is the case, forgive my repetition.
I agree with this video in everything that was stated. However it leaves out the implication of this question in that it does not address who is to receive our giving or tithe. I agree that we are to give and give generously and cheerfully, but I do not believe that the Bible instructs us to give to a building or “pastor” of a so called church building.
2 Peter chapter 2 warns us of false teachers who will make merchandise of us or figure out ways to take our money.
I believe that this point should have been addressed in this video as I believe that this so called “teaching on tithing to the church” is the main sticking point for believers who do not agree with what is being taught.
I hope that this makes sense.
bring tithe to the storehouse - that is Gods church - you must pay 10 % tithe...1st Cor. 9. 14 says it pays the minister as he needs a paycheck for food and family mortage
@@DavidKing-qd3sp no bro.
If your dependence is on Christ you've come into the new covenant .... You're talking about (not just you but many) something from the old covenant
Wow! Well said, Pastor. Very crisp, concise, and comprehensive.
If you can tithe and you are attending a church that is feeding you and ministering to you, I would implore, (not as a demand, but as an encouragement) to tithe. If you value something you are receiving, your willingness to contribute will be concrete. Even more so, if you understand that those working for your benefit must live on a wage as they spend their time, effort, and dedication to ensure that you are blessed.
When you give, give according to the Word and the truth that you believe in. Be mindful of who will be served with what you give and be careful of ministries that have great choirs and well rhyming preachers who sound like philosophers, yet teach many doctrinal errors.
What is clear in Scripture is "love your neighbor as yourself".
Do people do that? No!
People in the West have too much while Jesus goes hungry in the third world (Matthew 25-35-40 )
So true!
And when Westerners do give to the poor, it's only to those they see.
_"Merica_ first," many say. :(
God loves Filipinos and Bangladeshis just as much as he loves Americans.
America as a country gives more in food to the hungry than most nations combined plus we export tremendous amounts of foods to other nations and still manage to feed a country 0f 320 million. China itself with have a problem with starvation if we didn’t sell them rice and grains. When you look at most major disasters our people step up with money and aid and not just in this country. Can we do more or maybe efficiently? Yes, but to say the west or America is heartless and do not give is wrong. I believe religious organizations used to do a great job in years past but they have been shut out by Governments and NGOs.
REASONS AGAINST TITHE
1o.- In the NT (ie the current law of the believer) there is absolutely no single mandate to give Tithing, NOR ONE!
2. The tithe is mentioned only as a commandment in the OT.
3. The wrong preachers only use OT passages. to demand tithe.
4. The Scripture clearly states that the Tithing is only for Israel.
5. Jesus and the apostles never ordained, asked, nor gave tithes.
6. Contrary to what is preached, Israel should give even 4 tithes or 40%, not only 10%. Whereby also the wrong shepherds are failing.
7. Tithes were given in species (fruits and animals) never in money.
8. The tithes in the Old Testament were never given by the poor, widows, foreigners, or even traders.
9. Tithes were only to be given by those who had lands and animals in property, not even fishermen, merchants, or other trades should have Tithing.
10- The passages that are taken from the tithe are manipulated and out of context drawn only from the OT and never from the NT that is our new Law.-
11. Every person who gives the tithe as law or interest, is under sin.
12. The OT was annulled, it is no longer in force, its laws were repealed, among them, THE TITHE, therefore the Christian does not have to comply. It was for Israel.
13. The NT only speaks of offerings, ONLY to give as it may, but it is not even a mandate, it is a voluntary thing of the heart; is given, if you have and if you can ...
14. Preachers who demand tithing are robbing people, they are mistaken doctrinally.
15. The famous text of Malachi chap. 3 is not for the people, it is an exhortation of God to the leaders, but the leaders cunningly apply it to the people.
16o.- A part of the tithes of the OT should be for the poor, but today the poor are demanded precisely to tithe. All Injustice!
17. If the fulfillment of the law of tithing is demanded, the other commandments of the OT should also be fulfilled, the circumcision of the leaders, the feasts of the Passover, the sacrifices, the stoning, the Sabbath, the food, etc ...
18. The NT church that began in the book of Acts did not tithe.
19.- It is necessary to carefully read the context from which the subject of tithe is taken from the Old Testament and not read only the verses isolated and manipulated ...
20. God does not need money, tithing is an excuse to get money.
21o.- It is blackmailed that if someone does not tithe, he is stealing and therefore is on the way to condemnation, which is false, when it is precisely the false preachers of the tithe who steal the Church. It is not the people who
steal God.
22. The tithe is an ordinance of the Law, we are in the time of Grace. In Grace it is not tithed, it is offered.
23o.- If the word tithe is taken literally, then the form of giving it (fruits, animals and annually) should also be literal.
24o.- It is critical of the Catholic Church because it blackmails and deceives with Purgatory and the payment of Indulgences. But some in the Christian Church blackmail and steal with the tithe theme just like the politicians.
Conclusion: The tithe and the firstfruits are abolished. DO NOT give them. We only volunteer and if you can. The one who submits to the Law expires from the OT, is under sin and places a burden that does not exist.
Huca Buck 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 yes!
did you even watch the video
Please stop following false tradition you have been taught. You are fighting negative Spirits you have let come in your life. You dont have a true understanding of scripture. You say tithing was only for Israel? Are we not adopted into Israel if we are born again Spiritually? Are we not promised the same promise as Abraham if we enter the New Covenant which people truly have been so misled led on how to enter. I pray you remove tradition and seek God. Heres an article on tithing I pray you'll reqd and stop Robbing God of what is his.
kenraggio.blogspot.com/2015/01/tithing-versus-robbing-god.html?m=1
Amen and amen...so much false preachers today...may God deal with them...
@@jodie9522 , you must be a prosperity preaching pastor to want to insist that tithing still applies to the new covenant Christians, despite such lucid exposition presented above. Someone asked you when tithing switched over from food and animals to money and you could not answer. How do you explain Deuteronomy 14:22-29 to a Christian you are trying to convince to tithe without letting him know that tithing was done once every 3 years and that you were supposed to eat your tithe or convert it to money and then buy whatever your heart desires, even wine and other fermented drinks, and eat and drink before the Lord. You need to wake up to the realities of the new covenant in Christ, as it appears you are still suck in the past.
I make my tithes a priority weekly, and as a single mother on a very small income, my child and I NEVER go without. Not even a little bit. God always provides
Just know that there is no biblical mandate for anyone to pay 10% of their money to a religious institution and there's no such thing as a biblical, systematic tithe that was ever received from earned wages. Blessings in your giving.
All I know is when I do not tithe, the Holy Spirit tells me to tithe.
Amen....but that's YOUR conviction! A lot of people are convicted not to wear shorts or not to wear makeup but it's only an individual conviction. God deals with each of us differently but his word and love for us is the same. Tithing or not tithing, is going to keep God from loving us and calling us his own. The whole tithing or not tithing subject is another means by which the enemy is able to accuse the brethren. We debate over this topic as if it is going to hinder our spiritual growth or entrance into heaven. I love giving. I am convicted when I don't give in the church because I realize the importance of giving to God first. I am not a tither. I am a giver!! I want to ask you and others a question. If all I had to tithe was a goat and cow today, do you think they would lock me up for bringing livestock to the altar? I'm not trying to be humorous. Real question!!!!
Thaddeus Brown - Lol. You are fooling yourself about not tithing. God wants His share. He does not change. You will see!!!
maybe you are supporting a church that is doing some good. and then maybe you are just hearing your own programmed guilt about nothing.
Eonian Sage - modern times is money. Good knows that
@@josephinehlaisi5660 money was mentioned all the way back in Genesis. A thith was always food and it was for the Levites because they had no inheritance. No land to grow crops or livestock so therefore it was the responsibility of the 11 tribes that had inheritance.
Yes Sir, l agree with you, it's not ten percent but generous.
The word tithe means tenth part.
Agreed. Especially when getting out of debt, and delivering yourself like a gazelle from the hand of the hunter, I believe it's OK to pause tithing, if that tithe makes it likely that you'll stay enslaved to debt indefinitely, so that you can give exponentially more once you're free from the bonds of debt.
Thank for all your arguments about tithing; but,anyway I believe tithing is bibilical, according to the book of malachi 3:6-12.
if you’re paying your bills and still manage to pull that tithe before spending on your cost of living, trust that that’s generous. it’s easy to feel like you don’t have enough if you’re living check to check, however, God blesses exceedingly in the act of giving what you can regardless of the amount. generous to you isn’t the same for me, yet, God knows the strings of our hearts and minds when doing so anyway. in essence, 10% really is a standing point. you give what is sacrificial and generous according to your livelihood. God sees it all! 🧡🤗
I have never yet met a cheerful and generous person who had any question about tithing, because they give way beyond the ten percent.
I have met scores of stingy christians who complain at the foot of the mountain of the tithe. They come to church expecting everything for free. They are quick to find fault, and live defeated lives.
Yes thank you why is it so hard to practice tithing when it’s commanded by God? I agree with you one hundred percent it’s frustrating how these videos really confuse and spout nonsense to the community of believers.
That is not the issue. The issue is whether it is a false teaching or not. The Bible warns us againt false "prophets".