One of the reasons ps1 and ps2 don't have such high selling individual games is they had such a hugh variety of games. Nintendo had a lot of restrictions for games made for their systems.
"Video games as we know them would be relegated to Japan if not for Nintendo revitalising gaming worldwide." Europe says hi. The console crash was an American thin, the rest of the world carried on regardless.
@@tntbigshow4826 I guarantee that the ONLY reason Nintendo got the foothold it did in North America is because European gamers were perfectly happy with their 8 & 16 bit micros and cheaper games on Cassette & Disk with far more variety at a lower cost. Nintendo struggled over here until the SNES was released. That's why SEGA dominated in Europe. Because they managed to sell the Master System at a good price when gamers could see the writing was on the wall for the C64 and Spectrum so players bought those in droves so as not to be left behind. You just keep telling yourself that America was the bigger market for gaming when Europe and Asia went unaffected. You just keep telling yourself that the crash of 1983 was like a gaming Nuclear bomb that wiped it out in every corner of the globe apart from Asia. You might actually convince yourself otherwise.
From my perspective as a gal being raised in New Zealand. I didn't even know Nintendo home consoles existed here. We were a Sony stronghold. The PS1 and PS2 were what I grew up with and I didn't even know that the N64 or GameCube were a thing that existed because they didn't even really have any shelf space at my local EBGames. Nintendo only really got presence in the home console market here in NZ with the Wii. Before that they were getting bodied. The PS1 went nuts here but the PS2 went absolutely GANGBUSTERS. Outside of handhelds, Nintendo were a non player here, and this roughly extended to other parts of Oceania and Europe as well. For me, well, I was there, I lived it, the PS1 and PS2 dominated. When they were relevant, all my friends had a PS1 or PS2. A few had an Xbox. Not a single one had an N64 or GameCube. I think it speaks for itself really
This was pretty much the same deal in the middle east, I spent a bit of my childhood there. We didn't even know Nintendo existed it was all PlayStation all the time, save for some Sega and namco arcade machines. Nearly every market outside America, the PlayStation has dominated for decades, it used to have Japan as well till the switch which it trail, but for the ps5's heafty size it surprisingly sells well over there.
It's such a weird video😂 the title says ps1 and ps2 are king and immediately says "I'm not saying ps1 or ps2 are bad systems", what a contradictory start! And basically all the video comes down to is Sony sold better with more games, and Nintendo had a few games that sold better. And I do think that is story of Nintendo's life since n64 and onward. N64 and GameCube didn't have nearly as many good games as ps1/ps2, but it did have a few games that sold better. It really comes off that this guy despises Sony and is a Nintendo fan boy, such an emotional standpoint is unnecessary. They're both companies that brought great games. Just accept them for what they were without the begrudging judgment 😂
So Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, GTA, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear and Tomb Raider where, in your words 'Most of these Titles Where A Flash in the Pan'.
@@HebrewGamer100 These are all franchises that are still big today. A few of the better N64 games may have sold better than some of the big PS1 games, but that is because there wasn't much competition on the N64.
@@captainthunderbolt7541 They sell decent enough today because they are heavily discounted. Nowhere near Mario Wonder selling 13 million in a few months at full price released on the same day as Spiderman 2. Mario64 sold better than any game that generation while costing more up front on a significantly smaller install base. $70 cartridge game vs. $50 games on disc. Crash Bandicoot 4 isn't doing nearly as well as the Nsane trilogy because it debuted at full price. OOT, Majora's Mask, Goldeneye, Pokemon Stadium, Donkey Kong 64, Mario Kart 64, Super Smash Bros, Star Fox 64, Banjo Kazooie, Mario Party, Perfect Dark, Turok, F-Zero X. There were other big titles on the 64 besides Mario64. Mario sells well because it's Mario. it's always been that way.
N64 never outsold PS1 globally. Like, at all. It did have a lot of months of outselling PS1 in North America, but in Japan it was an also-ran even behind Saturn, let alone PS1. I don't think N64 ever did very well in Europe compared to PS1, either.
Yeah, probably one reason the Saturn is a common background occurrence in Japanese film. But I sure never seen a N64. Nintendo legal eagles could be another reason of course.
@@AltCutTV Idk because as far as i'm aware the n64 and saturn sold roughly similar numbers to each other at 5 million (both on the market for 6 years , 1994-2000 for the saturn , 1996-2002 for the n64) . You also have to consider the early release of the dreamcast in 1998 killed off any potential for stronger saturn sales in Japan before it was discontinued in 2000 .
@@AltCutTVthats why N64 is overrated Saturn even have better numbers in Japan not just that the games is just like that i always felt like GameCube exclusives is way better than N64’s but it sold worse since thats the time when people really lost trust for Nintendo
@@HebrewGamer100the context you ignored is PlayStation shitcanned Nintendo from the home console market. Thats why they went the gimmick route and had a roller coaster success ratio. PlayStation never had a flop console, EVER. So yes, Nintendo got booted from its territory and had to find a ‘blue ocean strategy’ as said by Iwata San to survive while PlayStation destroyed, Sega, Nintendo and now Xbox , while playstation still remains King.
"Selling hardware at a loss wasn't a standard procedure" Uh, yeah it was. For everyone but Nintendo, anyway. Or smaller companies like SNK who made the Neo-Geo specifically for a higher-priced part of the market. AFAIK, the Genesis was sold for thin margins. Same with the Atari Jaguar. The 3DO had a huge price cut because it wasn't selling at all prior to the price cut. Sony just did what other companies were already doing at the time. Sega also sold Dreamcast at a loss (they were gonna sell it at $249 at first).
Uh, no it wasn't. They sold at full price initially and when sales tanked they firesold it to move stock. This is not the same as Sony, Microsoft and Valve selling under margins as a strategy.
@@HebrewGamer100No sir it was a standard procedure. It wasn't till around the Wii came around that companies started being smart and under powering the consoles that they finally started to sell at a profit. But even then it was at the cost of purchasing a game or two.
@@scynapz None of Sony or Microsoft's systems were ever underpowered and the only time either made a profit on their hardware was possibly Sony with the PS1 because it was allegedly very cheap to make. Nintendo played the power game with the 64 and GameCube and fell way behind in sales due to factors beyond just the games. You're wrong buddy.
@@HebrewGamer100 The ps4 and xbox one were incredibly underpowered. So much that it introduced mid life system refresh. But even then was still held back because of the incredibly lack luster jaguar CPU. But at the end of the day like I said they still sell the consoles at a loss.
@@scynapz Coming out with a refresh does not mean a system is underpowered. those systems were cutting edge at the time and then they came with an even more powerful iteration to entice people who already bought the system to buy it again. Same as what Nintendo did with the OLED but also with the Switch Lite which was less capable. Nintendo never put a system out at a loss. The 3DS's price was reduced because they couldn't move units at the launch price. Only Sony and Microsoft did this because they had the money to do it and because they had to be disruptive as newcomers to the market. The PS5 won't be underpowered when they release the PS5 pro.
I can't fathom anyone trying to trivialize the success of these consoles, especially if you were there to live it, then there should be absolutely no doubt, it wasn't even close...the numbers were the numbers for a reason, pure substance, and in a time when not everyone and their mother played games, like they do today...it was def much more niche. The PS1 especially had seismic impact on a cultural level, it was the first adult experience for games, they dominated in a market that was cornered by giants, why? Because the games were brilliant, Resident Evil , Tomb Raider, MGS, FF, Crash, Twisted Metal...could go on and on, the Nintendo was viewed as KIDDY CONSOLE in comparison
I made a video on how the Switch is the most successful console ever, right now, without getting the record, if they didn't sell another piece of hardware or software. This video sort of plays into that. Also, on "more people play games today"...that's a half truth.
@@HebrewGamer100 that is not a half truth, people play more games, just take a look at some charts and you'll see how far and much the gaming industry has grown, surpassing hollywood and cinematic industry by miles, along with the music industry, just since 2017 the industry's size has literally doubled, and games, consoles and hardware are rampant like never before, so yes, by comparison, the numbers the switch pulled out are probably less impressive than the ps2's, it still is a success but it doesnt come close to something like the ps2, which in a time with almost no social media, not a lot of advertising, reviews, and in a much smaller industry sold 155 million units, the ps2 was like nothing ever before and after, and the ps2, ps3 and even ps4 follow close by
@DaxanDaxter Sorry, but this is patently false. I plan on dealing with this in a video later, but many of you have misinterpreted the data. Also, saying there was no advertising or reviews, you can't be more than 20 years old.
I think the (positive) problem is that Sony did not have that those IPs like Mario that everyone buys regardless. I say this is positive because it allowed them to experiment a lot more. If they had something like Mario back then, I'm sure the PS1 and PS2 would have far less diverse libraries. Hell, we had 3 mascot platformers on the PS2 that are superb to play, even to this day. The same could be said about Xbox, the console has a bunch of quirky titles, some are meh but others are very underrated like Crimson Skies or JSRF. None of these games were ever popular but that doesn't contribute to the fun anyway. Pokemon today is a giant but the games are laughable, it's not a sign of quality. Modern Sony unfortunately ressembles Nintendo too much, focusing hard on the "system sellers" like GoW, Spiderman and TLOU. I think what made everyone enjoy the PS1 and PS2 was that they were a hub of video games, gigantic libraries for everyone's tastes... and that backwards compatibility was great too.
I could name off plenty of games from the 64, gamecube, and dreamcast which were awesome but it would all be subjective. DVD player aside, the system movers were the traditional killer apps.
@@HebrewGamer100 You do realize that 17 million for a game like SA back in 2005 is the equivalent of a modern big-budget AAA game selling like 30 million? Budgets were lower back then, so you didn't need as big margins to get big profits.
Nah. I'm in my 40s and was there as a young guy with a job and lots of friends. PS1 was basically the only console anyone in the West cared about. Saturn was dead on arrival, and N64 didn't matter to most gamers (just small kids) until after Golden Eye and Ocarina of Time in late 1998 not long before Dreamcast released in Japan and the next Gen started. The N64 was a secondary console that played Zelda and 007. When the PS2 launched, that was it. Xbox and GameCube was a distant race. Dreamcast had a chance to compete, but was retired early. And GC (like N64) was on the worst console failures in Nintendo history. As for the Xbox. It launched later in that gen, and want around for more than a few years. It only sold decently in North America at that. But after Halo CE, purely because of LAN parties and early live when Halo 2 hit - the XBOX ended up being peoples secondary platform for North American teenagers and adults who could afford to buy it (it cost more than PS2) as a secondary Halo system. It was not like Pepsi or Coke... It wasn't even remotely that close. More like Clover Valley (Dollar Store) lime soda vs Coca Cola.
@@mr.selfimprovement3241its been that way since 5th gen Nintendo consoles became secondary consoles when people has PlayStation or PC has their main gaming platforms
Buddy you forgot to mention that Resident Evil SKIPPED the PS2 for most of that gen due to Nintendo's exclusivity deal with Capcom. Which actually hurt Resident Evil sales on PS2 once RE4 got its PS2 port. You can blame Nintendo on that ;)
@@HebrewGamer100 because the wii u was such a failure that most people thought those were new releases, they also came with extra content remastered graphics and online services which basically gave the games a second chance on a live hardware, which they were probably already designed for anyway, the original comment is wrong about the sales tho, re4 was not hurt by GC in sales, it sold on ps2 better than it sold on wii and gamecube.
@@DaxanDaxter Both the Gamecube and WiiU are considered commercial failures. the popularity of Resident Evil fizzled out on the Gamecube while the popularity of Mario Kart 8 was held back by the WiiU.
From my experience at the time, when I was a wee lass, other kids around me had PS1s, but I knew of the N64, it got ample coverage in the one single gaming magazine issue I had, and both my cousin and my neighbour at one point borrowed an N64 for their school holidays, presumably because whoever they borrowed it from had gotten a shiny new 6th gen console, I never went to see them though, cuz since my cousin had borrowed an N64, that meant I could borrow his Super Nintendo, and I was FAR too busy playing Killer Instinct! The ONLY GAME included with the borrowed SNES xD (Bloody good game though!) The PlayStation went on to become my first proper console, after the PS2 was already out, and I knew it was already out, but I was majorly put-off by the PS2's library, as every game I saw on the system was edgy and violent and umm... Yeah no, I knew the PS1 actually had games for kids, and I was, well, a kid, besides it was being sold as the budget alternative at the time, with the smaller rounder PSone, the one I'll always be nostalgic for~ During that time however, slowly everyone around me was picking up PS2s, and I had no idea what Nintendo was up to, I thought the N64 was still current for the longest time, it wasn't until later that a friend of mine told me: "My cousin has a Game Cube, and it has a fighting game in it with every character! Even Mario!" And that caught me off-guard, because like umm... Daf@#% is a Game Cube? And also, What Game Is That?!?! And I'd still never actually see one, much like how I hadn't really seen an N64... Well, not until MUCH later... And I actually went on to buy an used N64 circa 2008! It wasn't until after the Wii was already out, and my mind was utterly blown by it, that I found out what the heck a Game Cube actually was, the funnier thing is, though I'd actually heard of the Game Cube *Exactly Once* years prior, I'd NEVER heard of an "Xbox" until Months Later, when a classmate told me he wanted an Xbox 360, which I was, once again, taken aback, Daf@#% is an Xbox?!?! I may or may not have seen an advert for an Xbox in a magazine before that point, and thought it was made up, that it wasn't real, but I'm not sure if it really was an Xbox or if it was somethine else entirely lol Long story short, the PS1 and PS2 were the consoles people around me (and in the case of the former, myself) actually had, and the N64 and to a MUCH Lesser extent, Game Cube, were consoles I'd only heard of, but not actually really seen at the time, so like, yeah, they were *Quite Dominant* I'd say, at least outside of America and Japan where Nintendo had much less of a market presence...
Also actually, the PS2 *did* make Sony a crap ton of money. Yes, there isn't one *singular* PS2 game that maybe outsold the best-selling N64 or Gamecube game (tho I'd think there are PS2 games that have outsold vast majority of best-selling Gamecube ones), Sony got WAY more in third-party royalties than Nintendo ever did. So the 100K, 500K, 1 million etc. copies each game on PS2 did sell, added up when they had like 10x (if not more) the number of games than Gamecube AND Sony were getting royalties off the sale of EVERY third-party game on the system in addition to the money they got from first-party sales. And yeah that's even with piracy factored in, which wasn't as bad as Dreamcast's and was only really a thing in some of the Middle East, African & South American countries the system wasn't even really distributed in. Since PS2 wasn't legally sold in a lot of those small markets, people there had no choice but to pirate. But they weren't the big money buyers at all, so that didn't cut into a lot of revenue for third-party sales in the official markets.
Since you clearly want to debate, how about you make a video refuting the points I made? No Ad hominem, No Gaslighting, No deflection. Don't say it'll be a waste of your time as you have multiple posts on this video. Get to it!
You missed the part in my video where I posted what the PS2 made for it's entire lifespan. 2.2 billion. The PS4 equaled that in one fiscal year and the Switch more than double it in one fiscal year. We're done here.
You forget to mention Nintendo always package a Mario game with their system. Playstation never really had the same game packaged for longer than a 3 or 6 month period
pack-in games are optional bundles at a higher price than the system with no games. Wii Sports was in fact sold this way as the Wii was essentially a gamecube which debuted at $200. Instead of having a no games option, they made the base option the system with Wii Sports for $250.
I was ready for a well narrated gaming documentary on PS 1-2 and their objective marks on gaming history and culture. Rather sadly in the words of the ever juvenile muh fanboy wars its a "Nintendrones" rrreeeeeing notions instead.
The thing is Sony didn't enter the videogame market to give the industry something new or revolutionary or because they like the gaming audience. They enter the gaming market simply so they could get back at Nintendo and Sega. They had no passion for gaming and if there comes a time when gaming gets old for them or if they lose interest then it's likely they too will see their way out, same with Microsoft. Nintendo enter the gaming market cause it works for them and then they had people who work for them that also are passionate about making games, not just consoles but games and innovation for those games. Sega is enter the gaming market cause they too want a piece of what Nintendo had and they are the challengers that once believe only them could stood up to Nintendo. Atari on the other hand are the originator of gaming but being the originator doesn't mean they are anything special. Atari's mistake was that they know how to start but they don't know how to evolve and by not evolving they remain irrelevant and had fallen from the top never to be where the big three are nowadays. The rest (3DO, NeoGeo, CD-i, Amiga, Turbo Grafx-16, etc.) aren't even trying or they tried but failed and never came back.
The PS1 and PS2 absolutely won by a comfortable margin, but it wasn't as dominant a performance some may believe. It's like if a basketball team got blown out in a playoff series because two of their top players didn't play due to injuries.
I was in grade school and Junior High during the heyday of the PS1 and N64 and kids my age were split between the consoles. In fact, all my friends had 64s while I played PS1 at relatives' houses. When the PS2 came out though it utterly dominated, Xbox and Gamecube were fighting for scraps. But that was just in my area and age group.
@@HebrewGamer100 Thats true because dvd was the best technological optical player that revolutionized how we consumed media by offering a more durable, higher-quality format than any media even VHS tapes. Their compact size, ability to store full-length films in high resolution, and extra features like menus, subtitles, and bonus content made DVDs a staple for movie enthusiasts and ps2 were the best investment for that. meanwhile Nintendo developing Gamecube with media proprietary mini-discs that were about 1.5GB in capacity, specifically designed only for games. that a reason for that because nintendo anti piracy is insane since the n64 which is some people hate it. me included
@@HebrewGamer100 that's good vaule and it's not free lol that's like saying the GC was free with the wii. I'm a xbox player and I Know Playstation won back to back generations also why argue so much for Nintendos sake against people who are literally doing the same thing for ps like yall sound brain dead sometimes. Oh and I think it would be extremely fair to say that the ps2 is literally the original switch a console over sold for too long the switches sales come from the stagnation of them adding another consoles yeah its impressive but the ps2 did the same thing so I'd say it's just a alright feat at this point.
@@bubbadavis2164 The Wii essentially was a GameCube as they didn't upgrade the graphical capabilities. goofy comparison to giving people a free DVD player with a game console, especially at the time when DVD players were all the rage. The video can be seen as a follow-up to my video on the Switch being the most successful console ever. Even if the Switch doesn't get the sales record, they already won.
@@HebrewGamer100 what about the fact the ps2 and switch are very similar in the scummy way they reached the top? No comment lol but are you delusional? Adding more to a product is value and ps2 had THE MOST VALUE at the time additionally this was EASILY FORSEEN the ps1 can play music and games how do we improve emotion engine for games and instead of music let's play movies it honestly seems so predictable and intelligent that I'm surprised Nintendo didn't do it. Do you know why the ps3 dropped at like 600? Bc of value it had the ability to play everything before it AND had the ability to play music movies and all because that's increase in what's expected it didn't sell well for many reasons but eventually taking value away for making it cheaper was the play. So we have two examples of Sony going all out and one being HUGELY successful while the ps3 fat wasn't so how are you going to tell me that this isn't genius or anything It's like saying Microsoft isn't fair to compare because they had the best online back in the day. How about talk about some real issues with the switch lack of backwards compatibility 60 games that sold for 40 on the wii U, controllers so bad they had court cases about them, or Nintendo switch online being THE WORST ONLINE SERVICE EVER bro I played FREE GAMES BETTER ON MY SWITCH THAN FIRST PARTY TITLES. You're being absolutely ridiculous they won because they copied the ps2 styles Stay in the game so long that there's almost no chance of it losing I could bet real money that the ps2 would probably have outsold Nintendo if they kept ps2 manufacturing all the way up until now still doesn't deserve its title neither does ps2 console sales mean little to nothing anyways
What console prior to PS2 had a smaller install base with a 30-million seller? I'm guessing you aren't including PS1, so which is it? It's not Dreamcast, it's not N64, it's not Saturn, it's not Neo-Geo, it's not SNES, it's not Genesis. It's not OG Xbox and it's not the 360. So what's this console with the 30-million seller on an install base way smaller than PS2's? Or are you talking about handhelds like Gameboy?
@@HebrewGamer100 O.o Super Mario bros for NES spent almost it's entire lifespan as a bundle pack in title. In a time where Nintendo was a monopoly. You went to Nintendo or you didn't sell games. They had every 3rd party dev by the balls. It's no wonder so many defected to sega and Sony in the following generations.
@@Ozzhiroth pack in titles have always been optional for extra money. You either bought the system without a game or paid extra for the bundle. Gyromite was also a pack in title and it sold just over a million copies compared to 40 million by Mario. It stayed a pack in title for so long because it was obviously a popular game and system mover. The GBA, Wii, DS, 3DS and Switch have very little to no major AAA 3rd party releases and the few they did have sold like crap. they all won their console generations. Atari, SEGA, and NEC simply didn't have any games to compete with Mario until SEGA created Sonic the Hedgehog(Bonk's Adventure was awesome BTW).
@@HebrewGamer100 look at the best selling games for Nintendo and tell me how many come with consoles and tell me that it's a fair comparison to those who made it but weren't tied to console bundles I do admit some games the switch has have sold really well but so many Nintendo games up there are and have been bundled with consoles so I'd believe it would matter a lot
As a person that has loved and played a little bit of everything from 1988 when I was three years old until now, in my opinion, the Xbox 360 is the best video game consult that I ever got to experience and own, and be a part of from its beginning to its very end(at least shut down the store now..) But in that statement, I just want to say that the PlayStation one was absolutely phenomenal going from two dimensional graphics the year prior to all of a sudden three dimensional worlds where you could travel in any direction, was truly mind-boggling at the time!! The Sega Saturn, I never had always wanted .. The Dreamcast is one of my favorites of all time... I had the PS2 and nowadays of course I have a PS five and an Xbox ... I never purchased the Wii.. I did get to play on one and I thought it was great, but I got burnt out really quick on motion controls? I have Nintendo 3DS I think that is amazing?? my favorite handheld might just be the PS Vita? It certainly did things that I loved... Overall, I think it's been a good run and I wish Microsoft could've kept up the steam that they had with the Xbox 360 because they were dominating! if not for the red rings, that put a Hilt their steps, they might be on top today? Edit: I absolutely forgot to mention another one of my all-time favorites, which is the Nintendo 64 and the super Nintendo and the very first Nintendo, which is what started it all for me? I also absolutely loved the GameBoy!! I think the game gear in the 90s was ahead of its time and it was great also but it just did not have the games to even attempt to keep up...
Despite what people may think, I do not hate the PS1 and PS2. I actually wanted both of these systems at the time because they had a lot of games I wanted to play. I also enjoyed the hell out of Tales of Symphonia and Baten Kaitos origins for the Gamecube and Mario 64, Mortal Kombat Trilogy, NFL Blitz and NBA Hangtime for the 64 were awesome. PS1 and PS2 had a ton of RPGs I wanted to get into though.
@@HebrewGamer100 on the weekend NFL blitz stayed in the Nintendo 64!!!! It was such a great time, wasn't it? The Nintendo 64 was absolutely phenomenal from the moment it came out... I unfortunately didn't get one until the next Christmas after it released in 96 I actually think it was 1998 so maybe a couple years later? My best friend in the seventh grade, luckily his birthday was in September and so he got the Nintendo 64 came out and I got to experience it because I basically lived at my buddy BJ's house during the summer, and it was so damn awesome!! The memories are burnt into my brain of hearing that catchy music to a lot of their games and especially Mario 64 for the first time!! I now play that game on my Vita and my 3DS but I think it's a classic and goes down in history is one of the greatest games of all time even though it pisses me off every time I play it ... Anyways, I don't think that you hate PS1 or PS2, I feel like you were being pretty honest and straight up in the video ? Sony had a lot of things they could take advantage of and as well as get more marketplace .. plus it cost more money for Nintendo back then to develop games.. cartridge format was a lot more expensive than a $.15 CD!!
Nintendo tried to milk every cent out of every game, that's one of the reasons n64 games seemed to to just trickle out a couple every so often. The games were always $10 more than ps1 because companies had to buy cartridges from nintendo and made the consumers pay for it.
@@josephbullaro4560 right but either way it cost more money to produce that cartridge than it does a disc.. going all the way back to the super Nintendo I remember games being $59.99 all the way up to $74.99.. $59.99 was the norm for an Nintendo 64 games.. some PlayStation games came out at $39.99 but that was after the system had been out for about about a year or two? In the beginning most games launched at $49.99.. Either way it was awesome times now we got to grow up during the best shit in my opinion ? at least two dimensional graphics from Nintendo and Sega going through three dimensional all the way till today, we've been blessed!
This is what you get when someone who isn't natively educated in videogames history, researched Wikipedia as a source, and uses blebs and numbers to craft a biased (inaccurate) narrative in 2024 about things that happened 20 and 30 years ago. 🤦♂️ I'm in my 40s and was there too. During much of the PS1 gen I was in HS and when N64 released I had a part-time job at Funcoland (a game store), a car and had spending money to buy games and sub to every magazine. And in 2003, due to some unbelievable luck, I was employed at Ziff Davis as a very young contributing editor at EGN Magazine, Gamenow and later PTOM.. I was entrenched in the daily numbers and trends at that time. In the West, no gaming companies had more money for advertising in the 90s and early 2000s than Nintendo - this angle simply doesn't work. I remember that time well as a young man Both the N64 and GameCube were HUGE flops. And the only reason Wii surpassed PS3 and XB360 was the MASSIVE price gulf. It's not "strange". At launch people where wanting $600-$800 (in 2006 money) for the PS3, and XB360 was Red Ring of Deathing at that time like a mofo. Wii was half the price, cheaper games and cashing a trend of motion controls. This video takes sales numbers and wraps it in a false narrative. I lost count how many things you just pulled outta ya butt. For example when you said Sony had no history in gaming prior to releasing PS1. Sony produced gaming software in the late 80s, and were involved in producing Japanese gaming PCs and supporting Nintendo hardware development. It also wasn't advertising that killed the dreamcast - it's initial launch was actually very successful! The console was safely already doomed (literally) before the first units shipped because Sega had run out of money to function. It was mismanagement and miscommunication in Sega US and Japan that had been systemic since the Sega Genesis 32X. PlayStation had less to do with Dreamcasts demise, than events that snowballed when Sega Japan launched the Saturn early without telling Sega US just weeks after they launch their own attachment. Sony dominated both those gens because Sega and Nintendo fundamentally made historically terrible decisions under bad management. Sony capitalized on superior product and Brilliant management from Ken Kutaragi! And it wasn't even close! Most people had a PS1 or PS2.. N64 and GameCube were the "golden eye" and "Zelda" machines people with extra cash bought for themselves as a secondary platform, or for their kids. This video is just SO FULL of inaccuracies. I could just go on and on...🤷♂️
Another keyboard warrior with no videos. Peanut gallery banter from a guy who claims to be a game magazine editor and then starts of by erroneously claiming Nintendo had more money than Sony as a company. Probably some secondary burner youtube account.
@@dxtremecaliber Yeah sure, I got exposed by some burner account pointing out how Sony developed Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy before they made the PS1. Keep trying ponies.
Sony and Microsoft did the same thing Nintendo did with the N64: killed their momentum at its greatest point with hardware choices. PS3 was a pain to develop for, and the Xbone started with forced Kinect and online checks. Incredible. And now both of them have just completely to the ground to a halt in the console space with the current generation. Nintendo had learned that lesson already. And while Sony and MS have infinite money, Nintendo also has a couple flywheels to keep it moving: games and handheld sales, as you said. Sega had neither.
Sony played the power game and lost. They packed the PS3 with all sorts of bleeding edge tech while Nintendo basically gave us another gamecube with nunchuks; nunchuks both Sony and Microsoft would go on to copy. A free DVD player worked wonders for the PS2 so they doubled down on it with blue ray for the PS3.
Switch reminds me of the best of the GameCube era (on steroids) along with the best of the type of interesting Japanese games that used to be a part of the Playstation library. Playstation and Xbox are dying.
Video game crash only happened in America, not the whole of the Western world! In many parts of Europe, the Sega Master System outsold the Nes and most played games on micro computers. Nintendo didn't revitalise gaming worldwide, just in the USA
The PS 2 was Freaking dominant i remember when it came out the Dreamcast was Irrelevant within 14 days The PS 2 also had One of the Greatest Launch Years EVER with SSX and GTA III and Gran Turismo 3.
@sheldoncooper8199 Gran turismo 3 and GTA 3 weren't launch titles , but actual launch titles like SSX , tekken tag , street fighter ex 3 , dead or alive 2 & ridge racer 5 were bangers
To dismiss Xbox as a nothing burger is laughable.. Halo shall forever remain one of the best launch titles ever, Gamecube a system I say bury me with had nothing of that caliber release day or PS2 for that matter My family&friends would have Lan parties 16 of us, 4systems&4tvs Double Dash 16players is the only way to play haha I bought the Sega Saturn day one an knew 9/9/95 Sony was taking over just renting the system from blockbuster.. should have played that system intro haha Nintendo cheddar bob shot themselves from the jump, trying to dictate game companies on how many games they could release annually Its why Sega Genesis had their success not being as restrictive.. along with games&marketing.. whats it say though that Sony was left at altar by nintendo, rejected by Sega, only to beat them both for almost the past 30yrs?!? Wii&switch seem more luck than anything Gamecube was better but masses chose wii (which basically was a gamecube anyway, hence backwards compatibility an controller ports) switch is still missing virtual console, a joke online play setup, voice chat we have to jump thru hoops like we’re circus animals haha I had to pay $80-$100 for the top n64 games back then nwo/wcw revenge Perfect Dark Donkey Kong 64 Resident Evil 64 Conkers Bad Fur Day.. contrast that to paying 40 for any PS1 title Crash Bandicoot Resident Evil Twisted Metal 2 Spyro Gran Turismo Metal Gear Solid Silent Hill.. was just having this discussion watching ufc on saturday haha
This docu doesn't come genuine,it's like the person is maybe a tad one sided,from the language that's present the console war thing has turnt people into hive minded tribalism ideologies.
@HebrewGamer100 flash in the pan statement,and just the questioning of something that really was legit,if this was 10yrs ago maybe but ps1 and ps2 history is and was that big and is cemented in history,even the games you named had sold over 5mill each so...I understand you've picked a console war side but things won't change to fit your narrative.
@HebrewGamer100 accuse me of lying,after your video questioning the ps1 and ps2 huge success??? 🤣🤣 let's not forget "flash in the pan" statement on franchises that are still going today 🤣.you console war kids even when yas try and be objective that bias just leaks out.out of the games you mentioned they've sold over 5mil unless one has slightly sold under 5mil maybe 4mil? But you know quite well thier a success,ha thr fact you can't history is funny too me,haha
It clearly is an angle view analysis, but that is fair enough. All things relative and abstract valued usually are to some degree. For example, if the DVD (video) was actually needed for the success as a gaming system is probably very questionable. Could even be argued it was a detriment. It could also do with some more fact checking. That Sony had no mittens whatsoever in gaming, soft as hard wares, before PS1 is simply very wrong. Anyways, it seem all console brands as hardware are eventually head on for obscurity. Maybe Nintendo really will be the last box standing. But to me it would sure be more interesting to see how they handled a third party future. As everyone else sort of already are now.
@@HebrewGamer100 That was Philips... 😂 Sony subdivisions actually both published and produced games on several other platforms as far back as NES. There was of course also the various hardware products for other platforms. SNES being the usual go to example. Maybe there were some Sony chips in the CD-i as well. But that wasn't even tangent to the many facts you are missing about this point.
Which was why I mainly pointed out they were also "actually making and publishing games"... The design of the SNES chip was also specifically made for game sound by KK. Because that is what he wanted Sony to get more directly into. The difference Nintendos choices made was simply accelerating and scaling those ambitions up. What would have happened in elseverse is nearly beyond scope of any reasonable guesswork. But whatever consoles around today would be very different. And maybe none would be backed by this timeline ones.
@@AltCutTV They only "made" 2 which were Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy and the earliest game they published from other developers was in 1989. weird flex, but sure man, you win.
The ponies are BIG MAD over this video. My challenge to the ponies: If you just disagree with the video, that's perfectly fine. If you believe the video is in error, make a video refuting the points I made in this presentation. No Ad hominem, no gaslighting, no deflections. Just a logical and factual refutation of the points made. ....Or not. Stay in the peanut gallery comment section where you belong.
I was thinking this very thing myself,😂 the video is trying really hard to look objective but then the person who done the video is showing themselves in the comments,truth always prevails i guess @gkwon7295
@@lengwei4864 tomb raider, resident evil, crash bandicoot, devil may cry, Spyro the dragon. Tell me the last time any of these games sold 5 million copies?
@@gkwon7295 The comment section is filled with gaslighting and ad hominem from wounded ponies. No one is offering a legit refutation of anything I said and it's all coming from people who have made no videos.
PlayStations have always been for casual gamers. That explains why games sold poorly, well not poorly, but not much considering userbase. Besides, nearly every PlayStation owner i've ever knew purchased more than one PlayStation, as their console got broken. I have purchased PS2 four times! But every Nintendo console only once.
@@scynapz Maybe PSone. But PS2 -fans are worst loosers ever. -Like there never could possibly be anything wrong with the console itself. It's so funny, since even most talented developers said back then at the time, that they "would had preferred Dreamcast over PS2, (but financial market situation did not allow that)". But developers do not decide, brainwashed -customers do.
@@M1XART I was talking games wise. Everyone knows the PS2 was hell to develop for cause of the emotion engine. The Dreamcast was easy to port over and develop cause it was essentially just a portable Naomi board.
Very! I grew up on NES and Master System, as soon as PSX released I never looked at Nintendo or Sega again until the Switch released. I had zero interest in the N64, Dreamcast, or GameCube or anything else. Now I have Steam Deck and PS4, all I need until ps5 pro/PS6 drops
@@HebrewGamer100 World is big, in my country consoles are too expensive so pc was the only option for gaming. But when I think about it, I did sometimes saw psp, but didn't really know what name meant.
@@Gamesta100 you are so entitled. PlayStation wasn't officially in my country in 90s and today. In my country consoles stopped being main gaming device after sega, everyone shifted to pc because new consoles were too expensive, not to mention the collapse of economy.
Sony forced Nintendo to go casual, Wii and even now Switch, I say that's dominate 2:40- Forgot the part where Square begged Nintendo to not go with cartages, Nintendo ignored them and Square just went with Sony. Yea I guess you do but frame it like Sony was in the wrong 5:50- yes selling at a lost was standard at the time... its well documented companies sold HW at a lost and made that back with software 8:40- Sega was already killing themselves, many failure systems and stupid CEO decisions. At best all you can argue is that Sony was the final nail of the coffin 10:10- Wii targeted grandmothers, I hardly say it won, I say 360 won they had the marketing. Sony forced Nintendo to go after another audience as a result of their domination. 12:03- you weren't singing that tone early in this video.... 12:49- so competition got you.... admits Sega mess ups still blame Sony.... I'll end with this I can Nintendo dominating in the near future being the only company with exclusives
The same could be said about Nintendo lol. They won the generation where Sony messed up with the PS3, they won the 3rd generation because SEGA and the others were barely trying and now they will win with the Switch because Sony has barely been feeding the PS5, it will be miracle if it surpasses the PS4 by the end of it.
@@Manic_Panic I find your lack of knowledge disturbing. -The SEGA Genesis/Mega Drive was a powerhouse and released a few years earlier and yet, in the end, the SNES still managed to outsell in the end. -The GameGear was a great handheld and sold well, but it's size, price and battery consumption made the GameBoy the clear winner in terms of numbers. -The XBOX 360 had a year head start and was gaming powerhouse, the équivalent of the Genesis/Mega Drive for it's generation, but it still lost to the Wii. -The PSP is probably the best non-Nintendo handheld ever, but it couldn't make a dent in the Nintendo DS' sales. You need to understand the difference of winning because you're good and winning because the other ones suck. When Nintendo screw-up, they screw-up big, but when they have a winner on their hand, they win every time regardless how good the competition is.
@@Waifu4Life I find your pride and lack knowledge quite amusing. The SNES is the only good example on that list, though they have been a clear winner in the portable department, nothing to argue there but that was not even my argument. 7th gen: they won because the 360 went the titanic route (kinect) and the PS3 was still playing catch up after the horrible early years. 9th gen: PS5 and Xbox Series have no games, opening the high way for Nintendo to drive through. You need to understand that your favorite corporation can take advantage of its rivals being down to win, just like all the others. There are exceptions like the SNES vs Genesis or PSP vs DS.
@@Manic_Panic I find your lack logic sad. 1- Handhelds are part of the video games history and marketing, regardless if it goes against your narrative. 2- For the XBOX 360, the fact that they brought out the Kinect is neither here or there. Someone buying the Kinect and hated it didn't magically remove a 360 sale nor would it have prevented someone who wanted one to buy one, it was an optional accessory at the end of the day. The Wii won because it was a more appealing console for everyone and had a solid game library. 3- SONY and Microsoft went the PC route for their consoles, meaning that it's a continuation of their previous gen where you can bring your entire game library with you and they'll run better. Their biggest mistake was allowing PS4 and XBOX One titles to be published for so damn long after their new system was out. 4- Jokes on you, I'm mainly a PC gamer nowadays, Steam Deck FTW!
@@Waifu4Life 1. It's not "my narrative". It just wasn't in my argument since we were talking about home consoles (and generations) specifically. Regardless, the only "real" attempt to dethrone Nintendo in the portables section was with the PSP which didn't succeed and thus is in my exception list. 2. Hahahaha... erm guys, Microsoft messed up but they didn't alright? Kinect didn't make the console magically worse, no no no... it's not like it got less games because of it or anything, it was still a good investment, trust me, the proof is that the PS3 surpassed them at the end lol. 3. Why are you once again pretending they didn't mess up? Bringing their games to PC while Nintendo kept theirs is a huge failure and the reason the Switch keeps flying off the shelves. On top of it, their few releases are DEI infested and no one wants to buy them. Nintendo succeeds from the failures of others, that's fine, they all do it. Why be so defensive about it?
One of the reasons ps1 and ps2 don't have such high selling individual games is they had such a hugh variety of games. Nintendo had a lot of restrictions for games made for their systems.
So does the Switch, yet MK8D, a decade old game on one platform, is breaking sales records on Switch.
What restrictions are you referring to?
"Video games as we know them would be relegated to Japan if not for Nintendo revitalising gaming worldwide."
Europe says hi. The console crash was an American thin, the rest of the world carried on regardless.
NA. That crash was affecting the whole market because America was the big market.
@tntbigshow4826 condolences were irrelevant in Europe. PCs dominated
@@trainscronce6269 and they still do, in the whole of asia too
@@trainscronce6269 not everyone does PC, so Nintendo did save the gaming market. Well, console gaming.
@@tntbigshow4826 I guarantee that the ONLY reason Nintendo got the foothold it did in North America is because European gamers were perfectly happy with their 8 & 16 bit micros and cheaper games on Cassette & Disk with far more variety at a lower cost. Nintendo struggled over here until the SNES was released. That's why SEGA dominated in Europe. Because they managed to sell the Master System at a good price when gamers could see the writing was on the wall for the C64 and Spectrum so players bought those in droves so as not to be left behind. You just keep telling yourself that America was the bigger market for gaming when Europe and Asia went unaffected. You just keep telling yourself that the crash of 1983 was like a gaming Nuclear bomb that wiped it out in every corner of the globe apart from Asia. You might actually convince yourself otherwise.
From my perspective as a gal being raised in New Zealand.
I didn't even know Nintendo home consoles existed here. We were a Sony stronghold. The PS1 and PS2 were what I grew up with and I didn't even know that the N64 or GameCube were a thing that existed because they didn't even really have any shelf space at my local EBGames.
Nintendo only really got presence in the home console market here in NZ with the Wii. Before that they were getting bodied. The PS1 went nuts here but the PS2 went absolutely GANGBUSTERS.
Outside of handhelds, Nintendo were a non player here, and this roughly extended to other parts of Oceania and Europe as well.
For me, well, I was there, I lived it, the PS1 and PS2 dominated. When they were relevant, all my friends had a PS1 or PS2. A few had an Xbox.
Not a single one had an N64 or GameCube.
I think it speaks for itself really
This was pretty much the same deal in the middle east, I spent a bit of my childhood there.
We didn't even know Nintendo existed it was all PlayStation all the time, save for some Sega and namco arcade machines.
Nearly every market outside America, the PlayStation has dominated for decades, it used to have Japan as well till the switch which it trail, but for the ps5's heafty size it surprisingly sells well over there.
@@mutalix I have to ask which part of the middle east ? I'm going to guess the richer gulf states and not the Levant ?
ai nintendo fanboy has a meltie over playstation for 15 minutes
Hit ponies holler..
It's such a weird video😂 the title says ps1 and ps2 are king and immediately says "I'm not saying ps1 or ps2 are bad systems", what a contradictory start! And basically all the video comes down to is Sony sold better with more games, and Nintendo had a few games that sold better. And I do think that is story of Nintendo's life since n64 and onward. N64 and GameCube didn't have nearly as many good games as ps1/ps2, but it did have a few games that sold better. It really comes off that this guy despises Sony and is a Nintendo fan boy, such an emotional standpoint is unnecessary. They're both companies that brought great games. Just accept them for what they were without the begrudging judgment 😂
Thats true that's why people dislike and unsubscribe
@@HebrewGamer100the ironic coming from you nintendrone😂
Accurate description.
So Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, GTA, Devil May Cry, Tekken, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear and Tomb Raider where, in your words 'Most of these Titles Where A Flash in the Pan'.
I don't like that you left out Crash Bandicoot
@@kelechinwoke8423 Your right, I should of remembered Crash. Crash is Awesome.
most of them, not all of them. which is what I said in the video.
@@HebrewGamer100 These are all franchises that are still big today. A few of the better N64 games may have sold better than some of the big PS1 games, but that is because there wasn't much competition on the N64.
@@captainthunderbolt7541 They sell decent enough today because they are heavily discounted. Nowhere near Mario Wonder selling 13 million in a few months at full price released on the same day as Spiderman 2. Mario64 sold better than any game that generation while costing more up front on a significantly smaller install base. $70 cartridge game vs. $50 games on disc.
Crash Bandicoot 4 isn't doing nearly as well as the Nsane trilogy because it debuted at full price.
OOT, Majora's Mask, Goldeneye, Pokemon Stadium, Donkey Kong 64, Mario Kart 64, Super Smash Bros, Star Fox 64, Banjo Kazooie, Mario Party, Perfect Dark, Turok, F-Zero X. There were other big titles on the 64 besides Mario64. Mario sells well because it's Mario. it's always been that way.
N64 never outsold PS1 globally. Like, at all. It did have a lot of months of outselling PS1 in North America, but in Japan it was an also-ran even behind Saturn, let alone PS1. I don't think N64 ever did very well in Europe compared to PS1, either.
Yeah, probably one reason the Saturn is a common background occurrence in Japanese film. But I sure never seen a N64.
Nintendo legal eagles could be another reason of course.
Yeah the N64 got bodied pretty hard in Europe and Oceania
@@AltCutTV Idk because as far as i'm aware the n64 and saturn sold roughly similar numbers to each other at 5 million (both on the market for 6 years , 1994-2000 for the saturn , 1996-2002 for the n64) . You also have to consider the early release of the dreamcast in 1998 killed off any potential for stronger saturn sales in Japan before it was discontinued in 2000 .
@@AltCutTVthats why N64 is overrated Saturn even have better numbers in Japan not just that the games is just like that i always felt like GameCube exclusives is way better than N64’s but it sold worse since thats the time when people really lost trust for Nintendo
If having the record for the best-selling video game in history isn't synonymous with being dominant, nothing is.
If you totally ignore context, sure.
@@HebrewGamer100the context you ignored is PlayStation shitcanned Nintendo from the home console market. Thats why they went the gimmick route and had a roller coaster success ratio.
PlayStation never had a flop console, EVER.
So yes, Nintendo got booted from its territory and had to find a ‘blue ocean strategy’ as said by Iwata San to survive while PlayStation destroyed, Sega, Nintendo and now Xbox , while playstation still remains King.
@@Teja You plan on spamming all my videos with the same post? They didn't shitcan them from the home console market, you just lied.
Playstation 1 had the JRPGs and survival horror games it made my choice easy
"Selling hardware at a loss wasn't a standard procedure" Uh, yeah it was. For everyone but Nintendo, anyway. Or smaller companies like SNK who made the Neo-Geo specifically for a higher-priced part of the market.
AFAIK, the Genesis was sold for thin margins. Same with the Atari Jaguar. The 3DO had a huge price cut because it wasn't selling at all prior to the price cut. Sony just did what other companies were already doing at the time. Sega also sold Dreamcast at a loss (they were gonna sell it at $249 at first).
Uh, no it wasn't. They sold at full price initially and when sales tanked they firesold it to move stock. This is not the same as Sony, Microsoft and Valve selling under margins as a strategy.
@@HebrewGamer100No sir it was a standard procedure. It wasn't till around the Wii came around that companies started being smart and under powering the consoles that they finally started to sell at a profit. But even then it was at the cost of purchasing a game or two.
@@scynapz None of Sony or Microsoft's systems were ever underpowered and the only time either made a profit on their hardware was possibly Sony with the PS1 because it was allegedly very cheap to make.
Nintendo played the power game with the 64 and GameCube and fell way behind in sales due to factors beyond just the games.
You're wrong buddy.
@@HebrewGamer100 The ps4 and xbox one were incredibly underpowered. So much that it introduced mid life system refresh. But even then was still held back because of the incredibly lack luster jaguar CPU. But at the end of the day like I said they still sell the consoles at a loss.
@@scynapz Coming out with a refresh does not mean a system is underpowered. those systems were cutting edge at the time and then they came with an even more powerful iteration to entice people who already bought the system to buy it again. Same as what Nintendo did with the OLED but also with the Switch Lite which was less capable.
Nintendo never put a system out at a loss. The 3DS's price was reduced because they couldn't move units at the launch price. Only Sony and Microsoft did this because they had the money to do it and because they had to be disruptive as newcomers to the market.
The PS5 won't be underpowered when they release the PS5 pro.
I can't fathom anyone trying to trivialize the success of these consoles, especially if you were there to live it, then there should be absolutely no doubt, it wasn't even close...the numbers were the numbers for a reason, pure substance, and in a time when not everyone and their mother played games, like they do today...it was def much more niche. The PS1 especially had seismic impact on a cultural level, it was the first adult experience for games, they dominated in a market that was cornered by giants, why? Because the games were brilliant, Resident Evil , Tomb Raider, MGS, FF, Crash, Twisted Metal...could go on and on, the Nintendo was viewed as KIDDY CONSOLE in comparison
I made a video on how the Switch is the most successful console ever, right now, without getting the record, if they didn't sell another piece of hardware or software. This video sort of plays into that.
Also, on "more people play games today"...that's a half truth.
@@HebrewGamer100 that is not a half truth, people play more games, just take a look at some charts and you'll see how far and much the gaming industry has grown, surpassing hollywood and cinematic industry by miles, along with the music industry, just since 2017 the industry's size has literally doubled, and games, consoles and hardware are rampant like never before, so yes, by comparison, the numbers the switch pulled out are probably less impressive than the ps2's, it still is a success but it doesnt come close to something like the ps2, which in a time with almost no social media, not a lot of advertising, reviews, and in a much smaller industry sold 155 million units, the ps2 was like nothing ever before and after, and the ps2, ps3 and even ps4 follow close by
@DaxanDaxter Sorry, but this is patently false. I plan on dealing with this in a video later, but many of you have misinterpreted the data.
Also, saying there was no advertising or reviews, you can't be more than 20 years old.
I think the (positive) problem is that Sony did not have that those IPs like Mario that everyone buys regardless. I say this is positive because it allowed them to experiment a lot more. If they had something like Mario back then, I'm sure the PS1 and PS2 would have far less diverse libraries. Hell, we had 3 mascot platformers on the PS2 that are superb to play, even to this day.
The same could be said about Xbox, the console has a bunch of quirky titles, some are meh but others are very underrated like Crimson Skies or JSRF.
None of these games were ever popular but that doesn't contribute to the fun anyway. Pokemon today is a giant but the games are laughable, it's not a sign of quality. Modern Sony unfortunately ressembles Nintendo too much, focusing hard on the "system sellers" like GoW, Spiderman and TLOU. I think what made everyone enjoy the PS1 and PS2 was that they were a hub of video games, gigantic libraries for everyone's tastes... and that backwards compatibility was great too.
I could name off plenty of games from the 64, gamecube, and dreamcast which were awesome but it would all be subjective. DVD player aside, the system movers were the traditional killer apps.
@@HebrewGamer100 PS1 didnt have a dvd player tho
"Not one 20 million seller on ps1 or ps2"
Gta: You forgot i existed?
San Andreas sold a little over 17 million. Close but no Cigar.
@@HebrewGamer100 You do realize that 17 million for a game like SA back in 2005 is the equivalent of a modern big-budget AAA game selling like 30 million? Budgets were lower back then, so you didn't need as big margins to get big profits.
@@samalton5837 This doesn't refute my statement.
@@samalton5837 goalpost moving
Sales no. But it was hejvilt pirated. And on xbox and pc to.
Let me save you 15 mins. Playstation was basically coca cola, Nintendo was basically Pepsi, sure people had a favourite, but the go to was Playstation
Ironically only PS had the actual Pepsi game.
(I think. Maybe it got a well deserved port to something else..) 😎
Gamecube was more like Dr Pepper
Nah. I'm in my 40s and was there as a young guy with a job and lots of friends. PS1 was basically the only console anyone in the West cared about. Saturn was dead on arrival, and N64 didn't matter to most gamers (just small kids) until after Golden Eye and Ocarina of Time in late 1998 not long before Dreamcast released in Japan and the next Gen started. The N64 was a secondary console that played Zelda and 007.
When the PS2 launched, that was it. Xbox and GameCube was a distant race. Dreamcast had a chance to compete, but was retired early. And GC (like N64) was on the worst console failures in Nintendo history.
As for the Xbox. It launched later in that gen, and want around for more than a few years. It only sold decently in North America at that. But after Halo CE, purely because of LAN parties and early live when Halo 2 hit - the XBOX ended up being peoples secondary platform for North American teenagers and adults who could afford to buy it (it cost more than PS2) as a secondary Halo system.
It was not like Pepsi or Coke... It wasn't even remotely that close. More like Clover Valley (Dollar Store) lime soda vs Coca Cola.
@@mr.selfimprovement3241its been that way since 5th gen Nintendo consoles became secondary consoles when people has PlayStation or PC has their main gaming platforms
Buddy you forgot to mention that Resident Evil SKIPPED the PS2 for most of that gen due to Nintendo's exclusivity deal with Capcom. Which actually hurt Resident Evil sales on PS2 once RE4 got its PS2 port. You can blame Nintendo on that ;)
Funny how being released first on commercially failed hardware didn't hurt Mario Kart 8, Super Mario 3d World, or Super Mario Bros. U.
@@HebrewGamer100 because the wii u was such a failure that most people thought those were new releases, they also came with extra content remastered graphics and online services which basically gave the games a second chance on a live hardware, which they were probably already designed for anyway, the original comment is wrong about the sales tho, re4 was not hurt by GC in sales, it sold on ps2 better than it sold on wii and gamecube.
@@DaxanDaxter Both the Gamecube and WiiU are considered commercial failures. the popularity of Resident Evil fizzled out on the Gamecube while the popularity of Mario Kart 8 was held back by the WiiU.
@@HebrewGamer100lol "fizzled out" RE4 literally sold better on PS2 despite having the worse version come on now
@@dxtremecaliber The point was It didn't sell nearly as well as it's PS1 predecessors.
From my experience at the time, when I was a wee lass, other kids around me had PS1s, but I knew of the N64, it got ample coverage in the one single gaming magazine issue I had, and both my cousin and my neighbour at one point borrowed an N64 for their school holidays, presumably because whoever they borrowed it from had gotten a shiny new 6th gen console, I never went to see them though, cuz since my cousin had borrowed an N64, that meant I could borrow his Super Nintendo, and I was FAR too busy playing Killer Instinct! The ONLY GAME included with the borrowed SNES xD (Bloody good game though!)
The PlayStation went on to become my first proper console, after the PS2 was already out, and I knew it was already out, but I was majorly put-off by the PS2's library, as every game I saw on the system was edgy and violent and umm... Yeah no, I knew the PS1 actually had games for kids, and I was, well, a kid, besides it was being sold as the budget alternative at the time, with the smaller rounder PSone, the one I'll always be nostalgic for~
During that time however, slowly everyone around me was picking up PS2s, and I had no idea what Nintendo was up to, I thought the N64 was still current for the longest time, it wasn't until later that a friend of mine told me: "My cousin has a Game Cube, and it has a fighting game in it with every character! Even Mario!"
And that caught me off-guard, because like umm... Daf@#% is a Game Cube? And also, What Game Is That?!?! And I'd still never actually see one, much like how I hadn't really seen an N64... Well, not until MUCH later... And I actually went on to buy an used N64 circa 2008!
It wasn't until after the Wii was already out, and my mind was utterly blown by it, that I found out what the heck a Game Cube actually was, the funnier thing is, though I'd actually heard of the Game Cube *Exactly Once* years prior, I'd NEVER heard of an "Xbox" until Months Later, when a classmate told me he wanted an Xbox 360, which I was, once again, taken aback, Daf@#% is an Xbox?!?! I may or may not have seen an advert for an Xbox in a magazine before that point, and thought it was made up, that it wasn't real, but I'm not sure if it really was an Xbox or if it was somethine else entirely lol
Long story short, the PS1 and PS2 were the consoles people around me (and in the case of the former, myself) actually had, and the N64 and to a MUCH Lesser extent, Game Cube, were consoles I'd only heard of, but not actually really seen at the time, so like, yeah, they were *Quite Dominant* I'd say, at least outside of America and Japan where Nintendo had much less of a market presence...
Also actually, the PS2 *did* make Sony a crap ton of money. Yes, there isn't one *singular* PS2 game that maybe outsold the best-selling N64 or Gamecube game (tho I'd think there are PS2 games that have outsold vast majority of best-selling Gamecube ones), Sony got WAY more in third-party royalties than Nintendo ever did.
So the 100K, 500K, 1 million etc. copies each game on PS2 did sell, added up when they had like 10x (if not more) the number of games than Gamecube AND Sony were getting royalties off the sale of EVERY third-party game on the system in addition to the money they got from first-party sales.
And yeah that's even with piracy factored in, which wasn't as bad as Dreamcast's and was only really a thing in some of the Middle East, African & South American countries the system wasn't even really distributed in. Since PS2 wasn't legally sold in a lot of those small markets, people there had no choice but to pirate. But they weren't the big money buyers at all, so that didn't cut into a lot of revenue for third-party sales in the official markets.
Since you clearly want to debate, how about you make a video refuting the points I made? No Ad hominem, No Gaslighting, No deflection. Don't say it'll be a waste of your time as you have multiple posts on this video.
Get to it!
Indeed🎉
PS1/PS2 piracy was super common here in Europe.
You missed the part in my video where I posted what the PS2 made for it's entire lifespan. 2.2 billion. The PS4 equaled that in one fiscal year and the Switch more than double it in one fiscal year.
We're done here.
@@HebrewGamer100 How about you make a video with your actual voice and not an AI?
You forget to mention Nintendo always package a Mario game with their system. Playstation never really had the same game packaged for longer than a 3 or 6 month period
pack-in games are optional bundles at a higher price than the system with no games. Wii Sports was in fact sold this way as the Wii was essentially a gamecube which debuted at $200. Instead of having a no games option, they made the base option the system with Wii Sports for $250.
I was ready for a well narrated gaming documentary on PS 1-2 and their objective marks on gaming history and culture.
Rather sadly in the words of the ever juvenile
muh fanboy wars its a "Nintendrones" rrreeeeeing notions instead.
Ad hominem attack is the retort of someone without a counter argument.
The thing is Sony didn't enter the videogame market to give the industry something new or revolutionary or because they like the gaming audience. They enter the gaming market simply so they could get back at Nintendo and Sega. They had no passion for gaming and if there comes a time when gaming gets old for them or if they lose interest then it's likely they too will see their way out, same with Microsoft. Nintendo enter the gaming market cause it works for them and then they had people who work for them that also are passionate about making games, not just consoles but games and innovation for those games. Sega is enter the gaming market cause they too want a piece of what Nintendo had and they are the challengers that once believe only them could stood up to Nintendo. Atari on the other hand are the originator of gaming but being the originator doesn't mean they are anything special. Atari's mistake was that they know how to start but they don't know how to evolve and by not evolving they remain irrelevant and had fallen from the top never to be where the big three are nowadays. The rest (3DO, NeoGeo, CD-i, Amiga, Turbo Grafx-16, etc.) aren't even trying or they tried but failed and never came back.
Nintendo fanboys are beyond delusional
Excellent argument!
You have good points but the PS2 was a beast no matter what circumstances
The PS1 and PS2 absolutely won by a comfortable margin, but it wasn't as dominant a performance some may believe.
It's like if a basketball team got blown out in a playoff series because two of their top players didn't play due to injuries.
This reminds me of old-school UA-cam and I love this channel for that. Well done.
This dude delusional lmao.
Excellent argument!
I was in grade school and Junior High during the heyday of the PS1 and N64 and kids my age were split between the consoles. In fact, all my friends had 64s while I played PS1 at relatives' houses. When the PS2 came out though it utterly dominated, Xbox and Gamecube were fighting for scraps. But that was just in my area and age group.
You can't beat a free DVD player.
@@HebrewGamer100 Thats true because dvd was the best technological optical player that revolutionized how we consumed media by offering a more durable, higher-quality format than any media even VHS tapes. Their compact size, ability to store full-length films in high resolution, and extra features like menus, subtitles, and bonus content made DVDs a staple for movie enthusiasts and ps2 were the best investment for that. meanwhile Nintendo developing Gamecube with media proprietary mini-discs that were about 1.5GB in capacity, specifically designed only for games. that a reason for that because nintendo anti piracy is insane since the n64 which is some people hate it. me included
@@HebrewGamer100 that's good vaule and it's not free lol that's like saying the GC was free with the wii. I'm a xbox player and I Know Playstation won back to back generations also why argue so much for Nintendos sake against people who are literally doing the same thing for ps like yall sound brain dead sometimes. Oh and I think it would be extremely fair to say that the ps2 is literally the original switch a console over sold for too long the switches sales come from the stagnation of them adding another consoles yeah its impressive but the ps2 did the same thing so I'd say it's just a alright feat at this point.
@@bubbadavis2164 The Wii essentially was a GameCube as they didn't upgrade the graphical capabilities. goofy comparison to giving people a free DVD player with a game console, especially at the time when DVD players were all the rage.
The video can be seen as a follow-up to my video on the Switch being the most successful console ever. Even if the Switch doesn't get the sales record, they already won.
@@HebrewGamer100 what about the fact the ps2 and switch are very similar in the scummy way they reached the top? No comment lol but are you delusional? Adding more to a product is value and ps2 had THE MOST VALUE at the time additionally this was EASILY FORSEEN the ps1 can play music and games how do we improve emotion engine for games and instead of music let's play movies it honestly seems so predictable and intelligent that I'm surprised Nintendo didn't do it. Do you know why the ps3 dropped at like 600? Bc of value it had the ability to play everything before it AND had the ability to play music movies and all because that's increase in what's expected it didn't sell well for many reasons but eventually taking value away for making it cheaper was the play. So we have two examples of Sony going all out and one being HUGELY successful while the ps3 fat wasn't so how are you going to tell me that this isn't genius or anything It's like saying Microsoft isn't fair to compare because they had the best online back in the day. How about talk about some real issues with the switch lack of backwards compatibility 60 games that sold for 40 on the wii U, controllers so bad they had court cases about them, or Nintendo switch online being THE WORST ONLINE SERVICE EVER bro I played FREE GAMES BETTER ON MY SWITCH THAN FIRST PARTY TITLES. You're being absolutely ridiculous they won because they copied the ps2 styles Stay in the game so long that there's almost no chance of it losing I could bet real money that the ps2 would probably have outsold Nintendo if they kept ps2 manufacturing all the way up until now still doesn't deserve its title neither does ps2 console sales mean little to nothing anyways
What console prior to PS2 had a smaller install base with a 30-million seller? I'm guessing you aren't including PS1, so which is it? It's not Dreamcast, it's not N64, it's not Saturn, it's not Neo-Geo, it's not SNES, it's not Genesis. It's not OG Xbox and it's not the 360.
So what's this console with the 30-million seller on an install base way smaller than PS2's? Or are you talking about handhelds like Gameboy?
Gameboy had a huge install Base. 100 million easily
Super Mario Bros. sold 40 million for NES. I also didn't limit the point to "prior to PS2".
@@HebrewGamer100
O.o
Super Mario bros for NES spent almost it's entire lifespan as a bundle pack in title.
In a time where Nintendo was a monopoly. You went to Nintendo or you didn't sell games. They had every 3rd party dev by the balls. It's no wonder so many defected to sega and Sony in the following generations.
@@Ozzhiroth pack in titles have always been optional for extra money. You either bought the system without a game or paid extra for the bundle. Gyromite was also a pack in title and it sold just over a million copies compared to 40 million by Mario. It stayed a pack in title for so long because it was obviously a popular game and system mover.
The GBA, Wii, DS, 3DS and Switch have very little to no major AAA 3rd party releases and the few they did have sold like crap. they all won their console generations. Atari, SEGA, and NEC simply didn't have any games to compete with Mario until SEGA created Sonic the Hedgehog(Bonk's Adventure was awesome BTW).
@@HebrewGamer100 look at the best selling games for Nintendo and tell me how many come with consoles and tell me that it's a fair comparison to those who made it but weren't tied to console bundles I do admit some games the switch has have sold really well but so many Nintendo games up there are and have been bundled with consoles so I'd believe it would matter a lot
As a person that has loved and played a little bit of everything from 1988 when I was three years old until now, in my opinion, the Xbox 360 is the best video game consult that I ever got to experience and own, and be a part of from its beginning to its very end(at least shut down the store now..)
But in that statement, I just want to say that the PlayStation one was absolutely phenomenal going from two dimensional graphics the year prior to all of a sudden three dimensional worlds where you could travel in any direction, was truly mind-boggling at the time!!
The Sega Saturn, I never had always wanted .. The Dreamcast is one of my favorites of all time...
I had the PS2 and nowadays of course I have a PS five and an Xbox ... I never purchased the Wii.. I did get to play on one and I thought it was great, but I got burnt out really quick on motion controls? I have Nintendo 3DS I think that is amazing?? my favorite handheld might just be the PS Vita? It certainly did things that I loved...
Overall, I think it's been a good run and I wish Microsoft could've kept up the steam that they had with the Xbox 360 because they were dominating! if not for the red rings, that put a Hilt their steps, they might be on top today?
Edit:
I absolutely forgot to mention another one of my all-time favorites, which is the Nintendo 64 and the super Nintendo and the very first Nintendo, which is what started it all for me? I also absolutely loved the GameBoy!! I think the game gear in the 90s was ahead of its time and it was great also but it just did not have the games to even attempt to keep up...
Despite what people may think, I do not hate the PS1 and PS2. I actually wanted both of these systems at the time because they had a lot of games I wanted to play. I also enjoyed the hell out of Tales of Symphonia and Baten Kaitos origins for the Gamecube and Mario 64, Mortal Kombat Trilogy, NFL Blitz and NBA Hangtime for the 64 were awesome. PS1 and PS2 had a ton of RPGs I wanted to get into though.
@@HebrewGamer100 on the weekend NFL blitz stayed in the Nintendo 64!!!! It was such a great time, wasn't it? The Nintendo 64 was absolutely phenomenal from the moment it came out... I unfortunately didn't get one until the next Christmas after it released in 96 I actually think it was 1998 so maybe a couple years later? My best friend in the seventh grade, luckily his birthday was in September and so he got the Nintendo 64 came out and I got to experience it because I basically lived at my buddy BJ's house during the summer, and it was so damn awesome!! The memories are burnt into my brain of hearing that catchy music to a lot of their games and especially Mario 64 for the first time!! I now play that game on my Vita and my 3DS but I think it's a classic and goes down in history is one of the greatest games of all time even though it pisses me off every time I play it ...
Anyways, I don't think that you hate PS1 or PS2, I feel like you were being pretty honest and straight up in the video ?
Sony had a lot of things they could take advantage of and as well as get more marketplace .. plus it cost more money for Nintendo back then to develop games.. cartridge format was a lot more expensive than a $.15 CD!!
Nintendo tried to milk every cent out of every game, that's one of the reasons n64 games seemed to to just trickle out a couple every so often. The games were always $10 more than ps1 because companies had to buy cartridges from nintendo and made the consumers pay for it.
@@josephbullaro4560 right but either way it cost more money to produce that cartridge than it does a disc.. going all the way back to the super Nintendo I remember games being $59.99 all the way up to $74.99..
$59.99 was the norm for an Nintendo 64 games.. some PlayStation games came out at $39.99 but that was after the system had been out for about about a year or two? In the beginning most games launched at $49.99..
Either way it was awesome times now we got to grow up during the best shit in my opinion ? at least two dimensional graphics from Nintendo and Sega going through three dimensional all the way till today, we've been blessed!
This is what you get when someone who isn't natively educated in videogames history, researched Wikipedia as a source, and uses blebs and numbers to craft a biased (inaccurate) narrative in 2024 about things that happened 20 and 30 years ago. 🤦♂️
I'm in my 40s and was there too. During much of the PS1 gen I was in HS and when N64 released I had a part-time job at Funcoland (a game store), a car and had spending money to buy games and sub to every magazine.
And in 2003, due to some unbelievable luck, I was employed at Ziff Davis as a very young contributing editor at EGN Magazine, Gamenow and later PTOM.. I was entrenched in the daily numbers and trends at that time.
In the West, no gaming companies had more money for advertising in the 90s and early 2000s than Nintendo - this angle simply doesn't work.
I remember that time well as a young man Both the N64 and GameCube were HUGE flops. And the only reason Wii surpassed PS3 and XB360 was the MASSIVE price gulf. It's not "strange". At launch people where wanting $600-$800 (in 2006 money) for the PS3, and XB360 was Red Ring of Deathing at that time like a mofo. Wii was half the price, cheaper games and cashing a trend of motion controls.
This video takes sales numbers and wraps it in a false narrative. I lost count how many things you just pulled outta ya butt. For example when you said Sony had no history in gaming prior to releasing PS1.
Sony produced gaming software in the late 80s, and were involved in producing Japanese gaming PCs and supporting Nintendo hardware development.
It also wasn't advertising that killed the dreamcast - it's initial launch was actually very successful! The console was safely already doomed (literally) before the first units shipped because Sega had run out of money to function. It was mismanagement and miscommunication in Sega US and Japan that had been systemic since the Sega Genesis 32X.
PlayStation had less to do with Dreamcasts demise, than events that snowballed when Sega Japan launched the Saturn early without telling Sega US just weeks after they launch their own attachment.
Sony dominated both those gens because Sega and Nintendo fundamentally made historically terrible decisions under bad management. Sony capitalized on superior product and Brilliant management from Ken Kutaragi!
And it wasn't even close! Most people had a PS1 or PS2.. N64 and GameCube were the "golden eye" and "Zelda" machines people with extra cash bought for themselves as a secondary platform, or for their kids.
This video is just SO FULL of inaccuracies. I could just go on and on...🤷♂️
Another keyboard warrior with no videos. Peanut gallery banter from a guy who claims to be a game magazine editor and then starts of by erroneously claiming Nintendo had more money than Sony as a company.
Probably some secondary burner youtube account.
@@HebrewGamer100nahh this dude became personal when he got exposed in a objective manner lol
@@dxtremecaliber Yeah sure, I got exposed by some burner account pointing out how Sony developed Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy before they made the PS1.
Keep trying ponies.
And the switch is the most repaired system in world of history.
Back when we were excited about new console releases. I still haven't gotten a ps5 cause its same old.
the sport analogy works well.
Sony and Microsoft did the same thing Nintendo did with the N64: killed their momentum at its greatest point with hardware choices. PS3 was a pain to develop for, and the Xbone started with forced Kinect and online checks. Incredible. And now both of them have just completely to the ground to a halt in the console space with the current generation. Nintendo had learned that lesson already. And while Sony and MS have infinite money, Nintendo also has a couple flywheels to keep it moving: games and handheld sales, as you said. Sega had neither.
Sony played the power game and lost. They packed the PS3 with all sorts of bleeding edge tech while Nintendo basically gave us another gamecube with nunchuks; nunchuks both Sony and Microsoft would go on to copy. A free DVD player worked wonders for the PS2 so they doubled down on it with blue ray for the PS3.
Veryyyyyy dominant...unbeatable
Switch reminds me of the best of the GameCube era (on steroids) along with the best of the type of interesting Japanese games that used to be a part of the Playstation library. Playstation and Xbox are dying.
PS1 was. PS2 was less so. Of course the sale of games was hindered on both by me burning hundreds of copies a a kid back then xD
Honestly you lost me a bit in the middle, but the video ending was great.
Nintendo fanboys are worse than Sony fanboys. PC is the king gaming machine.
I use to be a PC gamer but I converted to a Sony Pony🤣🥃
Valve shills/ Steamcels are literally the most toxic people you will ever meet.
Video game crash only happened in America, not the whole of the Western world! In many parts of Europe, the Sega Master System outsold the Nes and most played games on micro computers. Nintendo didn't revitalise gaming worldwide, just in the USA
The Master System was outsold by the NES 6 to 1 worldwide. The European market clearly didn't make much of a difference.
The PS 2 was Freaking dominant i remember when it came out the Dreamcast was Irrelevant within 14 days
The PS 2 also had One of the Greatest Launch Years EVER with SSX and GTA III and Gran Turismo 3.
Holy cow. Just no.
@@tntbigshow4826 just no to what? That the DC didn't evaporate in no time? That the ps2 wasn't dominant? lol kick rocks, delusional
@sheldoncooper8199 Gran turismo 3 and GTA 3 weren't launch titles , but actual launch titles like SSX , tekken tag , street fighter ex 3 , dead or alive 2 & ridge racer 5 were bangers
@@cryptocsguy9282
Oh Yeah SSX was my first Game i got Gold on Every Track
Nintendo and sega are far from perfect but they were always the video game companies in my eyes, Sony always made movies more so they did video games
PS1 was the king at the time, XBOX OG was the king of the PS2, XBOX was a well better console dont care what anyone says, I have them all still.
This was not on Nintendo.
To dismiss Xbox as a nothing burger is laughable.. Halo shall forever remain one of the best launch titles ever, Gamecube a system I say bury me with had nothing of that caliber release day or PS2 for that matter
My family&friends would have Lan parties 16 of us, 4systems&4tvs Double Dash 16players is the only way to play haha
I bought the Sega Saturn day one an knew 9/9/95 Sony was taking over just renting the system from blockbuster.. should have played that system intro haha
Nintendo cheddar bob shot themselves from the jump, trying to dictate game companies on how many games they could release annually
Its why Sega Genesis had their success not being as restrictive.. along with games&marketing.. whats it say though that Sony was left at altar by nintendo, rejected by Sega, only to beat them both for almost the past 30yrs?!?
Wii&switch seem more luck than anything
Gamecube was better but masses chose wii (which basically was a gamecube anyway, hence backwards compatibility an controller ports) switch is still missing virtual console, a joke online play setup, voice chat we have to jump thru hoops like we’re circus animals haha
I had to pay $80-$100 for the top n64 games back then nwo/wcw revenge Perfect Dark Donkey Kong 64 Resident Evil 64 Conkers Bad Fur Day.. contrast that to paying 40 for any PS1 title Crash Bandicoot Resident Evil Twisted Metal 2 Spyro Gran Turismo Metal Gear Solid Silent Hill.. was just having this discussion watching ufc on saturday haha
Im a Sony Pony but I do have a N64👍🏽🥃
This docu doesn't come genuine,it's like the person is maybe a tad one sided,from the language that's present the console war thing has turnt people into hive minded tribalism ideologies.
What points in the video were false?
@HebrewGamer100 flash in the pan statement,and just the questioning of something that really was legit,if this was 10yrs ago maybe but ps1 and ps2 history is and was that big and is cemented in history,even the games you named had sold over 5mill each so...I understand you've picked a console war side but things won't change to fit your narrative.
@@lengwei4864 They didn't after the PS2 and some didn't after the PS1. I can't really respond to people content on lying and making stuff up.
@HebrewGamer100 accuse me of lying,after your video questioning the ps1 and ps2 huge success??? 🤣🤣 let's not forget "flash in the pan" statement on franchises that are still going today 🤣.you console war kids even when yas try and be objective that bias just leaks out.out of the games you mentioned they've sold over 5mil unless one has slightly sold under 5mil maybe 4mil? But you know quite well thier a success,ha thr fact you can't history is funny too me,haha
@@lengwei4864 Are you going to actually provide evidence of me being incorrect or just continue your ad hominem and gaslighting?
0:00 both were. No need for this video at all.
Nothing but pure facts in this video and nothing but butt hurt fanboys in the comments. Perfect, subbed.
Great video
It clearly is an angle view analysis, but that is fair enough. All things relative and abstract valued usually are to some degree. For example, if the DVD (video) was actually needed for the success as a gaming system is probably very questionable. Could even be argued it was a detriment.
It could also do with some more fact checking. That Sony had no mittens whatsoever in gaming, soft as hard wares, before PS1 is simply very wrong.
Anyways, it seem all console brands as hardware are eventually head on for obscurity. Maybe Nintendo really will be the last box standing.
But to me it would sure be more interesting to see how they handled a third party future. As everyone else sort of already are now.
I mentioned the Magnavox CD-i in the video, but this was Sony partnering with another company who already had experience in the industry.
@@HebrewGamer100 That was Philips... 😂 Sony subdivisions actually both published and produced games on several other platforms as far back as NES. There was of course also the various hardware products for other platforms. SNES being the usual go to example.
Maybe there were some Sony chips in the CD-i as well. But that wasn't even tangent to the many facts you are missing about this point.
@@AltCutTV Yes, you are correct that was phillips. Components aren't relevant to actually making a game.
Which was why I mainly pointed out they were also "actually making and publishing games"...
The design of the SNES chip was also specifically made for game sound by KK. Because that is what he wanted Sony to get more directly into. The difference Nintendos choices made was simply accelerating and scaling those ambitions up.
What would have happened in elseverse is nearly beyond scope of any reasonable guesswork. But whatever consoles around today would be very different. And maybe none would be backed by this timeline ones.
@@AltCutTV They only "made" 2 which were Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy and the earliest game they published from other developers was in 1989. weird flex, but sure man, you win.
Xbox being a nothing burger? I beg to differ
But do you beg to prove me wrong?
@@HebrewGamer100OG Xbox kicked GameCube’s and Xbox 360’s kicked PS3’s ass what the h is this argument
@@HebrewGamer100 Zelda sucks
@@kenzonhundredpower Nice shitpost!
The ponies are BIG MAD over this video. My challenge to the ponies:
If you just disagree with the video, that's perfectly fine. If you believe the video is in error, make a video refuting the points I made in this presentation. No Ad hominem, no gaslighting, no deflections. Just a logical and factual refutation of the points made.
....Or not. Stay in the peanut gallery comment section where you belong.
You sure like saying no ad hominem while doing it yourself.
I was thinking this very thing myself,😂 the video is trying really hard to look objective but then the person who done the video is showing themselves in the comments,truth always prevails i guess @gkwon7295
I'm a PC guy but you can't change history even I'm aware of how massive in scale the ps1 and 2 was..and that flash in the pan comment wooow😂
@@lengwei4864 tomb raider, resident evil, crash bandicoot, devil may cry, Spyro the dragon. Tell me the last time any of these games sold 5 million copies?
@@gkwon7295 The comment section is filled with gaslighting and ad hominem from wounded ponies. No one is offering a legit refutation of anything I said and it's all coming from people who have made no videos.
Short answer: Yes! There I saved everyone over 15 minutes.
So many wounded ponies in the comments.....I love it!
@@HebrewGamer100 Said the copium huffing UA-camr.
PlayStations have always been for casual gamers. That explains why games sold poorly, well not poorly, but not much considering userbase. Besides, nearly every PlayStation owner i've ever knew purchased more than one PlayStation, as their console got broken. I have purchased PS2 four times! But every Nintendo console only once.
This is all false. The PlayStation is actually a very well balanced console.
@@scynapz Maybe PSone.
But PS2 -fans are worst loosers ever.
-Like there never could possibly be anything wrong with the console itself.
It's so funny, since even most talented developers said back then at the time, that they "would had preferred Dreamcast over PS2, (but financial market situation did not allow that)".
But developers do not decide, brainwashed -customers do.
@@M1XART I was talking games wise. Everyone knows the PS2 was hell to develop for cause of the emotion engine. The Dreamcast was easy to port over and develop cause it was essentially just a portable Naomi board.
@@M1XARTdoesnt it even matter when SEGA rejected GTA3 to come to the platform they aint even winning anyways financial issues or not
Very! I grew up on NES and Master System, as soon as PSX released I never looked at Nintendo or Sega again until the Switch released. I had zero interest in the N64, Dreamcast, or GameCube or anything else. Now I have Steam Deck and PS4, all I need until ps5 pro/PS6 drops
PlayStation has always been overrated
Okay, the masterchief 117
In your opinion
@@mateuslira3411 if you were still swimming in the sack when the ps1 was out, then I don't want to hear it, your perspective is void
PlayStation always been big dick energy
Never heard of PlayStation before getting internet. All my friends and me played on pc.
How the fuck you just gon lie like that 😂😂
I find this hard to believe.
@@HebrewGamer100 World is big, in my country consoles are too expensive so pc was the only option for gaming. But when I think about it, I did sometimes saw psp, but didn't really know what name meant.
Then you must have spent your entire pre-internet life at home. You must have never left your room and never watched TV.
@@Gamesta100 you are so entitled. PlayStation wasn't officially in my country in 90s and today. In my country consoles stopped being main gaming device after sega, everyone shifted to pc because new consoles were too expensive, not to mention the collapse of economy.
Great video bro
Sony forced Nintendo to go casual, Wii and even now Switch, I say that's dominate
2:40- Forgot the part where Square begged Nintendo to not go with cartages, Nintendo ignored them and Square just went with Sony. Yea I guess you do but frame it like Sony was in the wrong
5:50- yes selling at a lost was standard at the time... its well documented companies sold HW at a lost and made that back with software
8:40- Sega was already killing themselves, many failure systems and stupid CEO decisions. At best all you can argue is that Sony was the final nail of the coffin
10:10- Wii targeted grandmothers, I hardly say it won, I say 360 won they had the marketing. Sony forced Nintendo to go after another audience as a result of their domination.
12:03- you weren't singing that tone early in this video....
12:49- so competition got you.... admits Sega mess ups still blame Sony....
I'll end with this I can Nintendo dominating in the near future being the only company with exclusives
Any game historian knows that PlayStation only won when there competition screwed-up during a generation.
The same could be said about Nintendo lol.
They won the generation where Sony messed up with the PS3, they won the 3rd generation because SEGA and the others were barely trying and now they will win with the Switch because Sony has barely been feeding the PS5, it will be miracle if it surpasses the PS4 by the end of it.
@@Manic_Panic I find your lack of knowledge disturbing.
-The SEGA Genesis/Mega Drive was a powerhouse and released a few years earlier and yet, in the end, the SNES still managed to outsell in the end.
-The GameGear was a great handheld and sold well, but it's size, price and battery consumption made the GameBoy the clear winner in terms of numbers.
-The XBOX 360 had a year head start and was gaming powerhouse, the équivalent of the Genesis/Mega Drive for it's generation, but it still lost to the Wii.
-The PSP is probably the best non-Nintendo handheld ever, but it couldn't make a dent in the Nintendo DS' sales.
You need to understand the difference of winning because you're good and winning because the other ones suck. When Nintendo screw-up, they screw-up big, but when they have a winner on their hand, they win every time regardless how good the competition is.
@@Waifu4Life I find your pride and lack knowledge quite amusing. The SNES is the only good example on that list, though they have been a clear winner in the portable department, nothing to argue there but that was not even my argument.
7th gen: they won because the 360 went the titanic route (kinect) and the PS3 was still playing catch up after the horrible early years.
9th gen: PS5 and Xbox Series have no games, opening the high way for Nintendo to drive through.
You need to understand that your favorite corporation can take advantage of its rivals being down to win, just like all the others. There are exceptions like the SNES vs Genesis or PSP vs DS.
@@Manic_Panic I find your lack logic sad.
1- Handhelds are part of the video games history and marketing, regardless if it goes against your narrative.
2- For the XBOX 360, the fact that they brought out the Kinect is neither here or there. Someone buying the Kinect and hated it didn't magically remove a 360 sale nor would it have prevented someone who wanted one to buy one, it was an optional accessory at the end of the day. The Wii won because it was a more appealing console for everyone and had a solid game library.
3- SONY and Microsoft went the PC route for their consoles, meaning that it's a continuation of their previous gen where you can bring your entire game library with you and they'll run better. Their biggest mistake was allowing PS4 and XBOX One titles to be published for so damn long after their new system was out.
4- Jokes on you, I'm mainly a PC gamer nowadays, Steam Deck FTW!
@@Waifu4Life
1. It's not "my narrative". It just wasn't in my argument since we were talking about home consoles (and generations) specifically. Regardless, the only "real" attempt to dethrone Nintendo in the portables section was with the PSP which didn't succeed and thus is in my exception list.
2. Hahahaha... erm guys, Microsoft messed up but they didn't alright? Kinect didn't make the console magically worse, no no no... it's not like it got less games because of it or anything, it was still a good investment, trust me, the proof is that the PS3 surpassed them at the end lol.
3. Why are you once again pretending they didn't mess up? Bringing their games to PC while Nintendo kept theirs is a huge failure and the reason the Switch keeps flying off the shelves. On top of it, their few releases are DEI infested and no one wants to buy them.
Nintendo succeeds from the failures of others, that's fine, they all do it. Why be so defensive about it?
Keep crying Nintendo fanboy, Nintendo sucks
Ok pony.
Yes
Sorry NintenChuds, GayStation won!