Meat is the Healthiest Food? (Mikhaila Peterson at the Oxford Union Beyond Meat Debate)
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- My reaction to Mikhaila Peterson's pro-meat Oxford Union presentation against moving beyond meat. The plural of anecdote is not data.
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Starting a speech with anecdotal experience, while very touching to see her being able to be pain-free, is not how you debate people
To be fair I'm not sure this was actually supposed to be a debate, even if it was called that. She mentioned writing her speech ahead of time, which makes me think it's either 1) not really meant to be a debate, or 2) she and the other speaker were in a panel together after their opening statements.
That is because debating is off limits. It's censored. One way narratives are the only way these days. It's sad.
I didn't get the impression that she was trying to debate. If anything, she just wants an investigation into the matter.
I believe the story was that she got stonewalled several times. TedTalk didn't even post up the episode that had her, so she posted it on her own channel.
Taking that into account, this is more just an opportunity to speak to push the investigation she's been asking for a while. Not really to debate going against Beyond Meat.
As the video pointed out "the plural of anecdote is not data."
I had said that earlier in a debate in the comment section of the Oxford debate video.
@@MdoubleHBxx they are not the best source of protein. That is silly
What even is this debate. This seems like a debate that should be populated with experts, not influencers.
She put her chronic illnesses into remission. That qualifies as an expert
@@annjames1837 which all the medical experts she had seen failed to do. I’m not gonna call her an expert but a call to look into it and explain seems valid.
Also people need to stop acting like there is “the science” or that it’s settled or holy. “The science” has been wrong and even straight up paid off before. There are even egregious examples in dietary science.
People just don’t know what the word means. Science is a process, not an answer.
Hell saying that I think doing X will summon a demon, trying said thing, and concluding it did not summon a demon is science 🤣
@@annjames1837 That is an anecdote, but not an expert.
@@monk3110 pretty much, and you gotta love how the idiot didn't even respond to you as well. Lol
@@annjames1837 You took the words right out of my mouth 👏
The main thing I noticed from what I've heard her say before is that both her and her father tested positive for having the gene for coeliac disease, which can cause a lot of the symptoms she mentions and some people are extremely sensitive to any tiny amount of gluten. By cutting out all foods apart from meat she essentially also went on a gluten free diet and allowed her system to heal. I'm glad she is now well, but I think she should be very careful in recommending this diet to anyone apart from those who are experiencing severe autoimmune disease and are under supervision of a doctor.
True scoop.
Although while I have not followed her story, from the sounds of it she had far more and FAR more severe problems than what Coeliac disease tends to present with. having severe arthritis and stuff as a child and not being able to sleep on her side form the pain it causes does not sound like coeliac disease. Idk if she is but I would not recommend that diet broadly but what do I know?
@@monk3110 oh yes, she definitely had arthritis very severely. But coeliac disease can make joint pain and inflammation worse if left untreated. I don't doubt that she had a number of serious conditions at one time.
@@powderandpaint14 huh I didn’t know about the joint pain. Neato
Yeah, wow, I'm sure she never thought of cutting gluten... only the most commonly recommended advice in the world this past decade.
@@tylerjeb7888 coeliac disease is not just cutting out gluten.
“The plural of anecdote is not data” Ok girl not gonna lie, my one brain cell had to take a moment to understand that lol
She went through every option medically and this is the only thing she found to not die. Her whole argument is that it needs to be studied further. I think this is nitpicking. I mean she had a double hip replacement and knee replacement at 13… like I would be doing whatever the hell I could do too. And if it saved my life I would be sharing it with others
100%
As someone who as a baby has suffered with authorities and serious stomach issues due to auto immune disease’s. Her saying “no I’m sorry but you haven’t tried every diet” is dense. I am 24 and just took my life back with my diet and have tried all I can. Why wouldn’t I? I have done all I can since a baby. Can you imagine getting hospitalized every month? I finally have a life and that’s why this conversation should be open and not shut down so aggressively or matter of fact.
@@laurenlopez3696totally agree and glad you’ve found something that works!
She’s didn’t have a double hip . She had one done & her ankle . Not knees .
@@Christinesobsevations Wow ...
The Petersons, 'If I sound upset and oppositional while saying something confidently and also throw in logic once in a while, what I'm saying is going to sound true, and I can help people and make a living by talking.'. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! 😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖
Who the heck goes on a Debate with personal experience.... Oh there she is.
Have you not watched both sides of the debate? Pretty much everyone did.
Anecdotally speaking, as someone who ate mostly burgers in my early 20s, fiber Is necessary.
Burgers have bread
I hope she was tested for celiacs prior. Her symptoms sound a lot like it…
So, here is my personal guess on why Mikaihla (nor her father) ever mention any form of "clean meat".
They both cater to a mainly conservative audience, particularly Jordan Peterson has an audience where the concept of masculinity is still very relevant to many.
I think that in demographics like this the association between meat, power, strength, masculinity and possibly even the killing it self is still very present.
If this is true, "clean meat" would not fulfil the ideological/psychological needs "normal" meat does.
I think it is possible that the Petersons are aware of this and don't want to alienate their own audience.
@Elanor Gamgee Hi, thats true and it was probably wrong of me to conflate Jordan with his daughter. However she has clearly become some what of an ambassador for this diet, therefore I think the point stands. :)
That’s a bad take. The Petersons don’t cater to any audience. And you’re assumptions are unfounded. I don’t think you know the first thing about them.
@@penmaster003 it's pathetic because almost anyone who doesn't really watch JP always associates them with being exclusively involved with a political group,
Good thought. I love how you have about three people responding saying you know nothing about him and have mislabeled him as conservative. That's like a rite of passage when commenting on that man at this point! 😂
@@meowpurrrrr What's not true about it? The Petersons do have a more conservative audience, and they are both trying to maximize their public exposure and income stream. They do not stand to gain anything by promoting a vegan product. In fact, is there any evidence that they have supported clean meat? I would like to see it.
I can’t speak for Mikhaila but I myself definitely need fiber 😅
The more fiber I eat the more my stomach actually freaks out. I can only handle small amounts.
@Rosie F standard diet as in standard American diet? Or?
@Rosie F I've never been more miserable than when I ate a whole food plant-based vegan diet. My digestive issues were so bad that I just became depressed and started to fear food because each time I ate I knew I was going to be so uncomfortable afterward. I stopped going out to eat with people because I was afraid of the symptoms I experienced afterward. I tried all the fermented foods, drinking lots of water, probiotics, and prebiotics. None of It worked. The only thing that works is to eat smaller amounts of fiber and avoid certain plant foods that make be super bloated.
"a time when everyone wasn't chronically ill"
I would love to know when that was. One of the reasons why there are more chronically ill people currently is that those people now have medical treatments available. Chronically ill didn't necessarily exist because those people would have died.
Been looking for this comment
I like Meat, but I also love animals, love them enough, to see them as equal beings in terms of the capacity to experience pain. I know for a fact, that the cruelty the meat industry imposes on animals is not fair. It would only benefit the world to be more considerate towards animals, I hope one day I can make a dietary change, in the meantime ive limited my intake of meat, and generally speaking dont crave it as much. Thanks for providing witful and rational rebuttals to videos like these!
@@aliendroneservices6621 I seriously hope you're joking, but in case you're not, the Animals that are raised for consumption are typically raised in crowded, and harsh conditions. you can search up a documentary on youtube about it. it's pretty disturbing though.
@@aliendroneservices6621 why do u make things up?
@@aliendroneservices6621 Dead humans don't experience pain either. What's your point?
@@aliendroneservices6621 if you're talking already dead animals then obviously not moron. It's the ALIVE and SUFFERING part that anyone cares about
@@aliendroneservices6621 what?
We don't need FIBER??? Sounds bonkers to me
I feel like I've heard her say before that certain people might be healed by this diet, and not necessarily like it's right for everyone. In the same way lacto OVO might be best for some, some people thrive on veganism, etc. Every body is different! I like that she simply asked in her Ted talk to explore this more because it might help others.
im shocked at how much attention Mikhaila is getting even though her claims are not supported by science... its mind boggling.
I'm shocked at the oxford union even giving such unfounded opinions a platform.
As hers I mean. An anecdote without even knowledge about the causal mechanism that made her feel better is pretty much the lowest of the lowest forms of evidence next to "I saw a ghost".
Maybe it's the evening dress with the slit up the side.
@@catobie1948 That's sexist and gross
I mean, she closed her speech by encouraging and asking further studies on the matter. Hard to make your point factually on diet when there are no studies specifically about that diet.
Ok. So if you're having problems with everything but meat. Your doctors never gave you relief like this. Shouldn't you then go back to your doctor and dietians with your information to further figure out why you can't eat healthy food? Why should you be ok with being doomed to a bad diet for the rest of your life? Don't the health risks of high meat still exist?
Instead, she concludes that all meat is healthy in general just because she has a problem with everything else.
When my sister-in-law was pregnant 20 years ago the only food that she could keep down was McDonald's food. It was disgusting but it worked. But no one would ever conclude that McDonald's was healthy and that we should revise healthy diet recommendations to include it for pregnant women.
@@gabriellemurphy6330 i know its not guaranteed. But neither is self medicating and self diagnosing. And pretending she has a cure and new knowledge greater than the scientists.
What she is doing is very dangerous. Not by telling her story but what message she sends to her followers. But there are also inconsistencies in her story that others have pointed out.
@@gabriellemurphy6330 never said it was the solution. I'm saying work with the experts and stay in communication. See other specialist. Keep up with advancements in knowledge/treatments. Don't go recommending this diet as a healthy diet. It may be the best solution for her for now but there are people with gut issues taking her advice only to have their situation worsen.
@@gabriellemurphy6330 not saying to regularly go to your doctor to search for solutions. She's cutting out the medical community. She's seeing herself as the expert for this diet. She is self medicating. She should be working with a professional monitoring health on her diet. There are health concerns with her diet alone that can negatively effect her heart, kidneys, and gut. Even though those problems aren't immediate the should be monitored.
She literally was asking doctors and those in the field to look into this. She even had a TedTalk that never aired, so she posted it on her own channel.
From what how it appears, it looks like they're not investigating. She wants an investigation into the matter.
I don't know how you're interpreting what she's presenting as being ok. She has stated she's tried reintroducing foods. She's stated she loves certain foods that are more plant based. For her, it appears it's an act of necessity.
As far as healthy food is concerned, you're going to have to define healthy food.
@@JiraiyaSama86 Yeah & this should be the end of the conversation. OBVIOUSLY an influencer especially in the nutrition field is going to be in contact with doctors. Having a PHD doesn't magically unlock all universal knowledge or whatever it is that these people believe.
Great work as usual ❤️
Her grocery cart must look grusome.
@@aliendroneservices6621 you mean food? she only eats one thing, the most restrictive diet on the planet lmfao
Is nothing to do with being in a carnivore diet, in the times where people had less to none cardiovascular conditions ( for example in the Mediterranean countries the consumption of meat was a once a week/ once a month thing because meat was not available and it was expensive, the bottom line is, people did not consume refined carbs that's all, there were no package breakfast cereals, cookies, chocolates, package meals etc, if you wanted something sweet you would have a cake ( made by yourself at home ) and that also would be a once a year event because people could not afford to spend eggs, butter etc. It's simple, people just like to make thing's complicated for their own pleasure ( keep eating thing's that they are used to) and not want to be uncomfortable. If plant based diet did not work I think some Asian countries would be vanished by now, people would be dying like crazy because some parts of the world they have a plant based diet
I mean, her argument is "we shouldn't throw meat out, and put more research into all meat diets."
The people arguing against that are arguing that meat perpetuates racism and the patriarchy.
I mean western civilization is the one with historically the highest rates of meat consumption.
Perhaps it is better to say racism and patriarchy perpetuate meat.
I live in Oxford and I don't understand how someone can be invited to an Oxford Union debate and telling their individual story during a debate. It is not about personal experience its about following science and argumenting. I am a scientist lookign into dietary health affecting brain health. The science and recommendation is very clear: Follow a whole food plant-based diet. In my research I could not find a peer-reviewed articled saying meat is good for brain health or physical wellbeing when you excluse case studies (like she is a case study only). So following basic statistical measures might be the way forward.
I think because these anecdotes are so miraculous, teams of doctors telling people they have something "incurable" and they will "have to take medicine the rest of their life" basically miraculously having no symptoms for years and no medications.
meat is good for a lot of things tho
@@piakrut3476 not really if you follow the research.
@@dj8431 The research sponsored by Monsanto? What about the nutrients only found in meat/organs? Why do vegans need all those supplements if their diet is so fantastic?
Placebo effects can be significant and very real.
Placebo effects only last a few days. Many autoimmune people feel better when eating meat, including myself.
@@juliamihasastrology4427 Placebo and nocebo effects can both last much longer than a few days. Research it and you'll see.
placebo doesnt get you off meds for crohns for 10 years
FACT: Everyone is different. Do what works for you. Stop worrying about what others are doing and research what will work to heal YOUR body.
Look, I know that this isn’t what I should be focusing on, but it just bothers me that she brought her little purse up with her to the podium. It looks like she is going to prom
I’m glad someone else thought this! It’s really been irking me
She has some meat in there
@@radubradu lmaooo 😂
Lol!
And the slit dress. She's very pretty but that was bothering me too.
overall her argument was just not good, but the two comments that genuinely bothered me were 1) that going on this diet helped her get off adderrall, like ok cool good to know she is one of the nuts who think ADHD is just caused by food allergies despite it being literally one of the most research disorders in all of medicine and 2) that we're all chronically ill. no we're not?? actually baffled me that a woman who is legitimately chronically ill would equate an average person with no real ongoing physical problems to her own experience. so strange.
never knew that ADHD is one of the most well researched disorders
A CHILD IS NOT "NUTS" BECAUSE AN ADULT PUTS THEM ON ADDERALL! What an ignorant thing to say!
@@aninymouse1651 That's not what was said. OP was saying that people who think ADHD is caused by food allergies are nuts.
random, but your hair looks lovely! c:
thank you!
Hi! Did u read "Your body in balance" by Barnard? Would be interesting to know your opinion on it!
I 100% believe Mikhaila. While I love animals, and think protecting their lives and moving away from meat somewhat is the priority, I can see some individuals bodies operating ideally on high meat diets. It’s a moral conundrum, because eating meat has always been culturally acceptable basically forever and who are we to tell someone to live the only existence they have in misery
I hypothesize that Some Humans have evolved to eat Animals, Some Humans have evolved to eat Vegan, Some have evolved to be Vegetarian, and Others have evolved to be Omnivores.
It simple makes sense to me given how diverse we humans are.
@@treefrog1018 what? wym evolved to eat vegan?
Everyone is different and animal products are the most digestible.
@@TheRachag exactly, that's why I always eat 3-5 newborn puppies every 3months. All homemade 🤤👍
I would love to see the physical evolution these people body's have had
FYI the recommendation of dietary fiber came from a physician in the 1970s after he noticed African tribesman with frequent bowel movements and low prevalence of bowel cancer. Even though there has been correlations of cancers, there has not been any explicit causation identified (only the statistical relationship). So even though it's common knowledge, I don't think you can say it's an outlandish position challenging it.
Sounds like an interesting debate, thanks for mentioning it! Though I can't believe how weak Mikhaila's arguments were :P
My boyfriend is on tue carnivore diet right now. I was able to talk him out of it for a good 2 years but he really wanted to do it. It's helped a lot of his health issues but, I live with the guy. I can attest that when he has tried other diets he has a really hard time sticking to them and often makes it to Wednesday, then orders a takeout or something similar, eats like shit for three days, and then by Monday is back on the diet wondering why he's not making any progress. But with the carnivor diet it's easy: cooking a steak in the air fryer takes 10min, he has zero excuse to cheat and it's very clear and obvious to him when he is cheating. I think it's an absurd dietary choice to make and offensive to promote to other people. I can see that it works. But there is no way it is the only diet that will give you these results. And to imagine, if even one person in 100 started eating like this, the amount of meat that would be required is staggering. The amount of resources that goes into just one week of this diet outright offensive.
Hi Harlan, thank you for sharing this comment. I think I will be in this situation very soon, as my partner with an autoimmune disease has decided to go on an only meat diet. May I ask how do you deal with this at home? How do you feel? Thank you x
@@ilarydiflumeri2269 You push your dogmatic beliefs aside and let your partner discover health in any way which they choose. Health is the most important thing in life and thousands have had success healing themselves through eating carnivore. To interfere in this process would be of the utmost selfishness
What about the resources in importing plant foods from all over the world in plastic packaging. Eating local grass fed meat is much less impactful.
@@ilarydiflumeri2269 I see that it does help him and we have had the discussion about how it's not a sustainable way to eat. But after those two years of him trying other things and not being successful, when he told me he was going to do the carnivore diet, we came to the understanding that I did not agree with it, but would support him if this was something he felt he really needed to try. He makes his own meals (they are very easy to prepare, I would recommend investing in an air fryer, that's what he uses to cook basically all his meals) and I cook for myself. I try to not have snack food around because I know he can find that stuff really tempting but I'm not going to join him in the meat diet so some days it can be a bit difficult. Sometimes I'll have a smaller portion of whatever meat he's eating and then add potatoes and broccoli or something like that. It's not ideal, but we have made it work. Traveling is the most difficult. After about a month he tried to eat a cookie and it made him really really sick. Apparently when you go off the diet you have to do it very slowly because you don't have many digestive enzymes anymore or something like that. So "dropping the diet for the weekend"if you're going out of town is not an option.
I'm not recommending the diet, but if it's something you need to try, it can be done and it's less complicated than things like Keto. I hope this helps you and your partner.
@@harlanhardway5955 hi Harlan I really appreciate your honesty, thank you so much for sharing 🙏🏽
I’ve kept track of my diet with my fitness pal and do bloodwork every other month.
Carnivore was the only diet where my bloodwork got incredibly better incredibly fast.
My doctors couldn’t believe it.
My lupus panel now shows a very slight positive Vs what it was 3 years ago which was extremely high.
Blood work doesn’t lie.
Either does tracking.
In any diet you do you should do both if you’re going to make claims IMHO.
I agree with you on a lot of things in this video like tracking other lifestyle factors too but videos like hers helped me discovered the diet that saved my life ♥️
@@MdoubleHBxx how about no
@@MdoubleHBxx which is why you posted this three times on different comment threads? You think being a cuck spamming to others is gonna get your point across?
You have to be the definition of stupid.
And it makes me beyond happy knowing I'm living such a long and healthy life eating meat.
Ruminant meat is the only food source we can live on exclusively without supplementing for anything? Scurvy would disagree.
Melissa Herbert meat contains vitamin C but dried meat lose the vitaminC thats why sailors of long ago brings lemon in the ship.
Liver is high in vitamin C.
There has never been a recorded case of scurvy on someone eating a carnivore diet. The hadza and masai are African tribes that at time go for 6 months at a time eating exclusively meat, milk and blood and have been studied numerous times and have no chronic disease and are healthy and fit.
Liver and fresh meat contain vitamin c. Also, in the absence of carbohydrates, the body doesn’t require as much vitamin c since it is not competing with glucose for the uptake.
Right like does this dumbass not know basic history. I remember learning when i was 13 that europeans would often get scurvy during the long trips across the oceans because they couldn't store fresh fruits
Thank you so much for being honest, truthful, and generous with your knowledge, blessings. Compassion is always the way
Oh wow... Mikhaila has a podcast? Great we should all take what she says seriously. Shes off her head
Hey, Ann Readon from How to Cook that just made a video called "debunking milk myths". Could you tell us what you think of it?
I love watching Ann Reardon, but she seems unaware of the risk of diabetes.
Thanks for your time
Have you seen sacred cow?! Would love to hear your thoughts
Even before her anecdotal intro, she began with how she's got better things to do, "I just threw this together in the past hour (you losers)." [paraphrasing]
If I was attending or had helped organise that event, I would have tuned her out from that point. 🙄
Really...you would tune out someone who has reversed all of her negative health problems and has been at this for a decade who literally said "I live this"...that's the person you will tune out?
You didn’t listen to her message. She never said carnivore diets are the healthiest foods to eat. She state multiple times that cutting out meat completely would marginalize a large group of people who depend on meat to live a higher quality of life.
11:13 i agree on this and it's probably the first time i hear someone else say it. In my country now people are getting a lot against intensive giant farms, and they tend to think that free range can deliver the same amount of food with less impact on the local environment. Simply not possible, unless people eat less meat.
13:19 According to scientists, actually what most probably boosted our brain growth was not meat alone but fire, for it optimizes the amount of energy we benefit from a meal. But that applies to anything we cook. Without fire, meat alone is useless for our brain evolution. Just look how many animals have been feeding only on meat for more time that primates have been on earth and compare their brain size and complexity to any primate species.
@@sanz7820 There's an interesting study about chimps and how much of their time they spend in hunting and eating meat, ie it's very little. For apes it's not worth to increase the meat intake. Our species in the other hand, at some point became long distance runners/walkers and our bodies adapted to eat less time of the day. It's not clear if that was first, or forced by hunting, or simply migrations, or by cooking.
Also one important ingredient for the brain is omega3. That is found mostly on seaafood and fish but also in nuts. There is an hypothesis about seafood being the key, but I think most likely nuts were key, for they are usual ape food both for ours and other ape species. Brains of chimps are as complex and big if not more than that of the Homo Erectus.
It was fermented foods that is associated with the growth of the human prefrontal cortex...
Fermentation is the original form of food orocessing
The whole discussion about the evolution of our brain is pointless apart from historical interest. What does it matter, why our brain developed in a certain way, if we can sustain our brain much better with other thinks today.
It's like saying: "A bigger brain meant an advantage in killing competing tribes, this drove the evolution of even bigger brains. We should have more wars."
Or: "Human progress was accelerated through slavery and child labour, therefore those things are good."
@@search895
We've been feeding our companion animals cooked food for as long as we've been cooking food. So, how come they don't have human brains? Why aren't they talking to us and building technology? Seems that claiming it was "fire" that drove our brain evolution has no more evidence than claiming it was "meat".
This is the same women who claimed her daughter has never had sugar… also that her daughter loves fruits. So she’s not very smart.
I'm sure she meant added sugars
Truly, I wouldn’t base someone’s intelligence based on a single sentence they’ve uttered. You need to resist being quite so arrogant and judgemental, neither are attractive qualities.
@@ermyr7743 THIS clearly…
I started eating like her and...all of my inflamatory issues went away almost "overnight" (chronic joint pain, acne, IBS, chronic fatigue etc). I had been vegetarian and vegan for like 5/6 years and now that i've been carnivore for almost two years I've never felt better. So more and more people with "anectdotal experiences" will come forward in the future.
Maybe you had issues with certain foods you removed you went on a caloric deficit 🙄
@@samvandervelden8243 Yes I was intollerant to gluten, soy, vegetable oils etc. I was never on a caloric deficit. Even gluten free prodcuts were made with vegetable oils, so I kept getting sicker and sicker. Now I eat raw ground beef, no bloating, no acne, no nothing. I'm good. Vegan and vegetarian diets REALLY DON'T WORK for some people with autoimmune inflammatory issue like me or Mikhaila.
@@MsTheeloisa Well then no shit that eliminating those foods helped, that doesn't mean that you can't follow a plant based diet without those foods. If I had those issues then I would just cut out those foods and replace them with other foods I don't use vegetable oils anyways.
@@samvandervelden8243 So if you don't use vegetable oils (olive, soybean, sunflowerm corn, almond, coconut etc) ...what do you use as fat? Because I now use butter. Nuts and olives also make my inflammatory issues worse (joint pain and canker sores). Mikhaila once mentioned she had issues after reintroducing olives so she quit them for good. I still eat vegetables because they are mostly fiber but I also restricted carbs heavily. Where do you egt you fats from?
I'm actually curious, not trying to start a fight.
@@MsTheeloisa
pure peanut butter, hazelnuts and flax seeds mainly.
You can try macadamia nuts, they are really expensive though in my area at least, they aren't the same as other nuts because they are almost buttery in structure and taste, avocados are also a great source, an algae oil supplement for the omega 3's, maybe peanuts they are actually not nuts but legumes, cocoa butter, eggs from backyard chickens would also be an ethical choice if you would want to take the time for it, oysters and mussels are ethically the same as plants because they are most likely not sentient they also contain a lot of fat.
I would just say try different foods and if they cause serious issues then you can always try to microdose when trying out
You got a cat?! 🥺😭 I am so happy for you all and I hope you’re hearts are so full!!
You said that it could be hard for someone to be vegan if they have a have a nut allergy or digestive issues. I have nut allergy, there are still a lot of healthy fats like peanuts avocado's, seeds and oils. There are still a lot of options at restaurants since nuts are usually a topping or only in certain dishes.
For real I have a peanut allergy and am gluten and chickpea intolerant which are all popular in vegan food yet I’m still thriving better vegan then I was vegetarian
She said soy specifically too. Being allergic to soy+nuts makes being vegan super fucking hard
@@telkmx beans, chickpeas, quinoa, oatmeal, couscous, corn, lentils, squash, avocados, rice, tomatoes, fruits, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, chia seeds, hemp hearts, variety of leafy greens and micro greens...all of this should give you more than enough protein, healthy fats, calcium, iron , etc with an allergy to nuts and soy
@@victorl3969 I’ve been vegan 3-4 years. Vegan allergic to soy and nuts it’s way way more hassle
When they talk about the fact that humans have eaten meat since ever, do they not realise that the quantities were nowhere near as much as they are today? Not even royals had a meat-heavy diet, although they did eat more meat than the rest of the population. Meat became the commodity it is today only after WW2.
They are talking about pre-agricultural hunter gatherers. Isotopic analysis shows that we were heavy meat eaters,
so can you tell me 'clean meat' has the same nutrient content, bioavailability and doesn't miss something out or is bad for the gut? I think it is wise to be very skeptical of a novel food which is artificially grown in a lab, but im willing to entertain it if you can answer this question. Then i would try it and see how i feel. I don't mind eating lab grown meat if i feel as healthy as i do on regular meat.
Lmfao never have I ever felt anything like my adhd meds, let alone MEAT being a substitute for that 😬
I am one of those with a soy and peanut allergy, in combination with spring allergies that exaccerbate things to the point where I can only eat a few foods during that time of the year. I stick to grains, dairy, and red meat. I also have trouble keeping weight on. There's no way I could go on a plant-based diet.
Petersen is likely mostly saying in a long-winded way that if meat is removed, a lot of people will get incredibly sick. I do not believe she's telling everyone to eat meat. I think her speech could have gone in a different direction instead of adding small studies to build credibility. She does have a good point about people eating so many processed things with a long list of ingredients.
I will say, yeah, we probably need some sort of fiber in our diets.
She’s chilled out but when she first started the carnivore diet she often implied foods other than meat were unhealthy. She said she struggled to let her 2 year old eat vegetables
She is wrong on a very basic level when she said “we have to go back to the times when…”. The fact is that untill the late 20th century people ate mostly plant based, meat was more of a condiment, an add on to dishes but not the main dish like it is now. That goes for the argument that “we evolved because we ate meat”, no, we evolved because we discovered fire and cooked our food. For prehistoric people meat was, again, a supplement, they weren’t equipped to hunt daily and they rarely managed to successfully hunt large game. As someone who excavated sites 5-6 thousands years old I can tell you that most of their diet consisted of grains, fish, shellfish types, birds even, the bones of large animals (like boar and such) are very rare.
In Mikhayla’s case I partially agree with UV, she most likely excluded a group of foods that made her sick. Either that or she had a high deficiency of iron, B12, whatever she gets from consuming red meat.
YES thank you! I have two history degrees and can tell you that one thing that was consistent about a medieval diet was that those who lived the longest tended to be lower on the social hierarchy. They ate largely plants, beans, bread, eggs and the occasional chicken/ poultry, etc, in the form of pottage. Your livestock was worth more to you alive, not dead. Meat, especially red meat, was reserved for special events and those in the upper levels of society (who didn't lead healthy lives).
@@sweepandsooty she did say something that rang true, she said “before we were all chronically ill”, maybe that’s why we’re all chronically ill, we eat crap that’s been grown on chemicals and eat massive amounts of meat. If we were meant to be carnivores our anatomy would be different, we’d be cats…
She looks so good
And she's apparently much smarter then UV.
Has a low-saturated-fat diet and, in some cases, a regiment of statins worked? Yes and no. Yes, since the 1980's the number of cardiovascular issues and deaths from cardiovascular issues have been cut in half. However, the number of people with diabetes has doubled. People have been replacing saturated fat with added sugar. The only artificial sweetener that is suspect is Aspartame because of the apparent corruption involved in its approval. Other artificial sweeteners seem fine as long as you are not eating extremely large amounts on daily basis.
Love this video. Totally on point w carnivores caring more about eating meat vs plants than creating a world w clean meat. Also mind blown when you pointed out her claims were self reported and that I must not have been paying attention. Have never heard of her or this debate seminar so thank you for keeping me updated and also linking the video.
Just found your youtube channel and I loved it!! Really interesting and complete information
I was a vegetarian for 6+ years almost 7 and it wrecked my health. Then I went gluten free casein free, then paleo, then keto, keto is the only one that helped a little more and then I turned carnivore and that was the real game changer. All autoimmune issues were cleared. ALL OF THEM. I can’t speak for anyone except for myself, but the carnivore diet gave me back my life.
Exactly. It is the ultimate reset diet and incredibly healthy, really glad you found your way Maria!
Same experience
Carnivore, so no butter and coffee? Because all ‘Carnivore’ diet people I’ve heard of drink coffee 😂
So if this is addressed in another video or later in this video I apologise (I'm only 5 mins in) but, I'd really love to hear your perspective on the ethics of eating meat if you're currently struggling with or have a history of eating disorders. I really want to be vegan (or at least vegetarian) for ethical reasons but if I start actively avoiding food groups, it gets problematic. Loaded topic so totally get it if you don't want to touch it 😅
@@darkcloudsandrainbows3309 good point.
The problem isn't "eating meat". The problem is in the abuse and torture of animals. That's what needs to end. We also need to be more efficient and less wasteful when it comes to all types of foods.
Instead of seeing it as taking out food. Look at what you can include in that you haven't before and eat the same dishes using plant based meat
This is a debate, not just a presentation, so Petersons primary objective is to win the argument. Rapid fire responses are the expectation in these debates. I’m not a huge fan or follower of Peterson, but even I find it rather distasteful that you chose this particular video to critique. It’s an easy target for you…and just seems so shortsighted. There’s so much more than what you’ve presented here.
I am not sure if I understood your rebuttal to meat being healthy and sufficient for being the only food one would have to eat. Was it just something like "it is fringe and extremt"?
I had no idea crack was vegan until I heard this schizophrenic standup routine by Carol Adams
Humans evolving eating whatever was around. They survived long enough to pass on their genes, and what they ate says nothing about the best foods to eat for longevity in a modern world other than the ancient/primitive people who ate the highest amounts of red meat and saturated fat also had the highest levels of atherosclerosis.
I think that the argument was okay. I feel that regardless the diet, vegan or carnivore if it works for the person why does it matter?
Primarily because the animals' interests also matter. You appear to be denying their interests & rights entirely. To a lesser extent, one could also add in environmental limitations. It's seems like your equation only starts at the produce counter, rather than including what it takes to get murdered animals' bodies to the produce counter.
I mean... She DOES advocate an all meat diet tho, what she said is not true. She sells courses and consultancy on it. She is also not on this diet any more, which I find baffling. But I can't deny that it helped her. The main issue that I have with both of their arguments are the moralism attached to them, not of the practice, but of what that says about the people who partake in them or not. Neither diet is completely sustainable for a lot of people due to class and culture and assigning those specific people a morality because of their failure is ridiculous.
Every time you mentioned animal welfare, I thought "and...
The benefits of switching to a purely plant based diet are amazing.
1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get several deadly chronic diseases)
2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases
3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen.
4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water
5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution
6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation
7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses
8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity
9-Meat packing plant employees often have terrible, dangerous workplaces.
10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation.
11- Longer lifespan.
12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.)
Links for some of these are at my channel under "About."
@@pitoububble My pleasure! I don't get thanks very often. This will keep me going for a while more.
I thought of #13. Ending Animal ag would reduce the incidence of food poisoning from salmonella and e-coli.
@@pitoububble The reason I put the links on my channel instead of within the comment, is that UA-cam now auto deletes new comments with links. The only exception is links to other UA-cam videos.
@@pitoububble 🌱!
@@pitoububble Feel free to copy and paste my list elsewhere to spread the word.
I’d say vegans are more likely to be health conscious. Eating whatever you want no matter how bad is the default so I tend to take this stuff with grain of salt.
The Inuit are famous for living as carnivores while staying healthy till old age.
All they need is blubber from seals and dried fish. The Vikings also lived for long periods on dried fish alone and still managed to fight and win after months rowing at sea.
I watch some of Mikhaila's podcasts and she interviewed rollo tomassi recently. I thought that the things he was saying about dating and women were a bit disturbing but also had some truth to them. Id be curious of your opinion on it all bc I like your rational approach (although its a totally off-brand topic for your channel lol).
This would be crazy interesting. I'd love to hear her perspective.
What truth did he speak? All he did was rip into her because she's not living her father's teachings and that freaks out his followers because they're weak men.
I wasn't a big fan of Carol Adams's speech, but this was just so narcissistic imo. Someone raising the question of moving beyond meat, both for the good of animal welfare and humanity's future, should not be seen as such a threat that you feel as if your own experiences are so much more important, especially when scientists are working on invitro meat.
I can't tell a person who had such severe health problems and pains like she had (there are people who killed themselves to get away from hip pains) that she's a narcissist for talking about how she found a way to improve her health. Now, I don't think her health benefits from this in the long run, but I don't see how it would be narcissistic to talk about your experience.
I would love to hear your take on Diana rodgers and robb wolf Joe Rogan appearance
I can't stop watching this...💜💜👀
Her diet is sooo healing that she’s been doing it for over 5 years and she still can’t introduce a single thing that’s not animal flesh or “her autoimmune responses flare up”. LOL
And strangely enough she still had problems with anxiety and took medication, her mother had kidney cancer and her dad an addiction to his medication.
If you’re going to reintroduce plant foods, I wouldn’t start with cake 😂
I used to feel bad for her, but these days I just feel bad for her kid.
She has a kid?? Why are creatures like that carnist little idiot being allowed to breed and multiply, at all?
@@NomadicNaturePhotographer because most vegans hate babies and misanthropic. someone has to make babies. better a meat eater, than a malnutrished vegan
@@GarudaLegends cry more
@@GarudaLegends Its funny coz it’s true
Why? Her kid isn't being raised on a carnivore diet. Anyway, better a carnivore kid than a vegan kid. I feel bad for all the vegan children.
I'm totally on board with lab grown meat. I would much rather have that than from animals.
Lol, I will never want it after reading Oryx and Crake
@@ceniloar do you often make decisions based on fiction? 🤔
You must hate yourself. Have compassion for humans too…not just the animals.
You are probably first in line for vaccines and put on a mask when leaving comments on UA-cam as well.
Never in known history were our ancestors vegetarians by choice. Especialy not men.
plz talk about vitamin D supplements! People say they only work if they're an oil. Basically no vegan ones are oil based. I'm confused.
I heard something similar from a random Instagram "dietician" who also thinks that grains and legumes are full of antinutrients so I too would be interested haha
Those people are wrong.
Vitamin D is fat-soluble so taking it with a bit of fat helps absorption. Perhaps that's what they're thinking of?
@@NoExitLoveNow Nice argument.. not. Vitamin D is fat soluble, if not consumed with a fat source then absorption is severely inhibited. Common knowledge 😂
@@doctorscientist3991 No need to take "oil based" vitamin D as the original poster was concerned about. Common knowledge 😎
Type 1 Diabetes use to be controlled by diet. These were very low carb diets. Low carb diets do help with diabetes.
About IBS. I've been vegan for over 2 years now and 95-99% plant-based for over 10 years. I've noticed that occasionally I'll have a day where I'm unusually gassy and burpy. And most times I'll have absolutely no gas or indigestion. I suspect for the people where IBS is a legit concern that it has something to do with either the order they're eating food or the frequency and portions they eat. I haven't fully figured out the variables that cause this for me. It's either a certain food combination, the order I'm eating my starches, proteins, fruits, fats, etc, or it could be the frequency I'm eating (am I snacking instead of eating 1 or 2 meals spread far apart?). It's something I'm trying to pay more attention to and figure out. For me it's rare but I think it's worth investigating to help people who've had bad experiences going plant-based due to it.
Have you tried carnivore? If not... why? What if it works better than what you have been doing?
@@ryublueblanka I used to eat meat all the time just like you and my health was the same or worse (and I had the benefit of being younger!). I'm vegan because I realized all the flavor in food is from plants anyway. I feel great eating whole food plant-based, it's better for my health longterm, it's way cheaper, it's 10x better for the planet, it promotes being kind to others different than myself, and best of all it doesn't force other sentient beings to be needlessly raped into existence and tormented. Have you tried vegan? If not... why?
@@rasputozen I'm going to try the carnivore diet for a month and see what happens. And I will try vegan and see what happens.
@@ryublueblanka What are you expecting to find, that you'll stumble on the magical diet that will solve all your problems? This diet, this drug, this experience, this job, this thing will solve everything for you just follow my 5 easy steps!
Let me tell you a secret. The magical cure is to realize there is no magical cure. Upon that realization no wind of trend or snake oil has any power to toss you about, and you can finally focus on the work you care to complete before you die. Best of luck to you. Hope you find what you're looking for.
9:15 I think she was definitely using that as an example like if you were stuck on a an island and you have a box of meat or plants, you would be better off health wise not like this is what you should be doing now
I'm vegan and believe I have an undiagnosesd autoimmune disorder that involves all of the symptoms Mikhaila talks about. I never considered this before hearing Mikhaila speak about her issues and only recently have I had to confront these symptoms seriously as was experiencing such terrible pain and lack of mobility that I had to quit my job, could not take the stress of finding a new home once my rental contract ended (the landlord kicked me out), so had to move back to my parents house and away from my partner of 5 years. The idea that I would have to kill animals to fix these problems is not an idea I pass up immediately, as trust me, these symptoms are no joke. Days in bed, unable to think straight, unable to exercise, walk, even sit in a chair. I've been vegan for several years, but sometimes I wonder whether this could help me and consider it as an answer to my problems, as I'm not here to sacrifice my basic health to protect animals. I don't believe in god, don't have an objective morality and so, if I can not hurt animals whilst maintaining my health and sanity, I will not hurt animals, but if there is some proof that this could help me, I'm interested. You can't know what this is like until you are in the shoes of someone with these problems. I'm trying to find alternatives, trying to figure out what is setting off my symptoms, but if I try hard and fail, then I will consider trying this. Have compassion for people who are in tremendous agony on a daily basis as a reason to do this. They aren't evil.
And don't claim to know that you would not consider this yourself if you were in this position. Desperate people act out of desperation, not evil.
please eat meat, its good for the environment (when animals are raised properly, which actually most are) and having sick people who are in pain is not good for society or the environment either. Look into Paleomedicina for a start, they're truly legitimate
@@annabel255 🤣
@@annabel255 Science and statistics disagrees.
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos what science?
You are the best vegan channel.
Agreed.
She talks about her depression going away with this diet and I just want to mention that depressive symptoms have a U-shaped correlation with meat consumption. The highest (and also the lowest) meat-consumers have higher rates of depression.
It’s also likely that as her autoimmune symptoms began to improve, her depression began to improve. People with chronic illness and pain often have depression due to the fact.
Well its clearly working for her and thousands of others, explain...
I be pescetarian
If someone has medical reasons for eating meat then fine but that doesn’t make meat a health good. I don’t get why the emphasis on red meat even? Ugh I feel for people like her having majority medical problems her whole life but how can anyone live a full life only on meat?
Lol! Look up the hadza and the masai diets.
emphasis on red meat is due to a better fatty acid profile than poultry or pork
I know it's unkind and please forgive me...I want to clarify I am VERY happy that the woman was medically healed...but...hearing Mikhaila Peterson's argument at Oxford is like watching the film from "1997 - Contact -Jodi Foster's Testimony (I had an Experience!) HD"
As a side bizarre side-note I feel like E Musk is gonna S R Hadden us all in the end...
A Tiger just called: “She’s eating too much meat! “ 😆✌️
Are we "all chronically ill"?
If it works for her, whatever (probably she isn't having too many severe consequences bc she's young, or she isn't actually as strict as she says) but it definitely isn't working for her father, I almost feel bad for him.
Do you know his (physical) story ???
I really enjoy the way you influence the vegan diets, but one thing for sure is that a vast majority of other vegan influencers promote almost like they are demanding others to go vegan and drop all meat immediately because this is what will happen to these animals etc.... If most vegans influenced in a way that is nice, and respects others diets saying slowly dropping meat at a time, or we would greatly appreciate it, because I have not once heard those words come out other influences mouths other than you caused these animals to die and drop all meat. These stereotypes of vegans are pretty much cause by themselves and not others... but saying that I do have family members that are vegan and doing very well.
don't give anyone in that family your air
The fact the thumbnail states "Mikhaila goes woke" when Carol Adams managed to shoe horn every single woke idea into a discourse about meat should tell you everything you need to know about the credability of this channel.
I found something off about the whole just eating meat being a cure all thing.
She doesn't promote eating meat for everyone, she says it needs to be study.
I would like to introduce plant foods because I love cake, she really did just say that. Wow. Cake is not a plant food.
You aren't able to recognise a joke?
The main ingredient in a cake is flour, where does flour come from?... I disagree with Mikhaila and agree with the scientific consensus that plant based diets are optimal foe human health, but here it's you being dumb, not her. A strictly carnivore diet doesn't allow you to eat cake
You're definitely the best vegan on youtube
I wonder why only ruminant meat?
@@aliendroneservices6621 Science. lol
Don't mind me, I'm just down here in the comments a year and a half after you posted this to tell you what a lovely shade of lipstick that is on you!
The first lady was simply crazy🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I think certs (The mint candy) is the best food you can eat. It's only my opinion, but it's based on reading of the packet label and based on what I desire as nutrition.
So I'm not sure why your trying to call out Mikhaila.
She sites her own experiences, it's anecdotal. Although if you look up her history she's got a pretty solid case that it's her diet that's the problem for her since she's had her autoimmune issues since before she could walk. So a sudden change in condition after a drastic diet shift seems convincing. Especially when going into remission whenever altering diet. Anecdotal as it is.
She then sites a Harvard Study involving diabetics no longer needing insulin injection and reporting an overall benefits to health, which you then call into question because they're self reported diets. Which is fair enough, but simultaneously it's a Harvard study and it was off of 2029 adults. Could you imagine the logistics of it's of it being anything but self reporting for that many people? But also you found that study.
So why didn't you look up other study's she talks about? Instead you just giggle it off saying she didn't site any of it.
You laugh at her saying people don't need fiber and say it's fringe science, but funny enough you go on to talk about how people laugh when they're nervous. Which is one reason people laugh, and also why you projected onto the whole room who giggled at the lady saying meat was white supremacy; because that's not why I laughed when she said it. So clearly nervous laughter was at the front of your mind as recorded this video. Hoping to laugh off the threat of someone you think opposes your idiology. Which really your best argument about clean meat has nothing against what Mikhaila was saying. That was a whole different ethical argument than her own health argument.
Which you suggested people laugh at , although you suggested people laugh at it in a way different than nervous laughter.
Huh. Funny how your suddenly aware of the different types of laughter after you get done talking ethics instead of your lesser subject, science, which had you nervous for a moment.