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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2023
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- A VNR listener wants to know if gymnastics grips & wrist wraps are necessary?
- What purpose do they serve & who should use them?
- Pat & Adrian discuss this topic.
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Pat Sherwood has held credentials up to & including being a Level 4 CrossFit Coach. He worked for CrossFit, Inc for 14 years in various roles including media, health & seminar staff. He is married with 3 kids. He is the owner of CrossFit Linchpin, enjoys ice cream & hates handstand push-ups.
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Boz started dabbling with CrossFit at the end of 2004 and got his L1 in early 2006. He has coached at:
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Thank you! Immediately bought a set of tools to start taking care of my calluses….😊
This is a great discussion. Unfortunately I have never had a coach at a box address grip technique to mitigate tears. I would love to learn more and see a deeper dive /tutorial; would be value added to the community
Hey Pat and Adrian, I am an avid viewer of the VNR podcast on UA-cam and always find your input and commentary valuable. I am a 51 y/o relatively fit garage gym crossfit enthusiast, and I have a question about how do you reset or recover mentally when you have a disappointing workout? The other day was my regularly scheduled deadlift strength progression cycle, a 3x3 @ 90% 1RM. My warm up was good, I warmed up through 80% 1RM and felt good pulling that weight off the floor. When I went for my 3x3 working sets I couldn't get the bar more than 2-3 inches off the floor. I stepped back, re-centered myself for 2-3 minutes and made another attempt with the same results. After about 15 minutes of going through this cycle with the same results I decided it just wasn't in the cards for that day and left the garage feeling defeated and unmotivated. What frustrated me most was four weeks ago I pulled that 90% 1RM during a 4x1 session with not much fanfare, so I feel a little extra dejected and was wondering if either of you have ever had an experience like this, and what helped you to mentally move past this "failure" and not let it eat away at your confidence? I do realize that nutrition, sleep and other factors come into play and when I looked back I know that my nutrition wasn't the greatest the day prior and day of the "incident", but I've had other sessions where my nutrition wasn't ideal and still moved through the workout well. **UPDATE** 8/29 - So yesterday, after taking a week off from the deadlift progression cycle I decided to seek redemption. Warmed up (a little differently than usual - made bigger jumps in weight than I usually do), loaded that 90% 1RM weight and pulled it pretty comfortably so I decided to move to 95% 1RM. I managed to pull 95%, but it felt HEAVY and I got stuck for a second about halfway through the pull, but I was able to fight through it and get the weight stood up, so I consider it a win and definitely redemption from that last attempt at 90%. Overall I am happy with where I'm at and that 95% pull was 6lbs heavier than my previous 1RM the last time I completed this strength cycle several months ago.
These discussions should really be posted on CF main site and UA-cam channel. I realize it's done through VNR but would be so beneficial to the traditional box members. Thank y'all 🙏
This is a bit similar to Episode #38 on what equipment is needed. Perhaps you could go over the details about how to grip a pull up bar properly. When do you break (change angle of forearm and wrist)? Never? Aren't you inevitably rotating around the bar when you do bar muscle ups? Pull-ups seem to not need grips (hand does not move around bar), but if I am trying to get big kips my hands seem to rotate around the bar and grips seem needed. Am I just gripping the bar too tight? Some examples of how you guys do bar gymnastics would be welcome. I am also not understanding how use of grips would influence your grip strength. You have to hold on the bar either way. Any comments?
my show idea would be a discussion on overhead movements for the 'less than normal' athlete. 57 year old 10 year daily 6 am crossfitter at affiliate. Started Crossfit after recovering from second shoulder surgery (Rotator/ Labrum) . My good shoulder would be considered to have marginally bad ROM and the bad one way worse.. I don't have much hope of recovering to 100% and Sotts pressing 135. I'm trying to be ok with that.. I arrive 15 minutes before each class to get extra mobility and stay 20 minutes after. I'm a K-Star fan boy. I feel like I'm holding ground (kinda) but strength has gone down the last 3 years. The only way I keep my head in the game is a bit of schadenfreude. I'm pretty decent at scaling weights to hit stimuluses. (or is it stimuli ?) My question has to do with continual friendly battling with my coach (who i love) about what I can accomplish. Its mostly around the push jerk. She keeps telling me that I need to drop under the bar and the movement will be easier. But, what i find is that the core and shoulder stability necessary to drop under a push jerk escapes me under any kind of anything approaching a challenging WOD weight under cardio demand. Not much more is available at 1RM type lift. Now give me a split jerk as a more stable position and I can get under with decent loads. (for me) trying to drop under weights in a push jerk, either I don't get to full shoulder lock out, OR I lose lumbar stiffness and arch back to buy some room, neither of which seems great to me especially in a wod. I can do much better as far as maintaining stability if I push press everything .. which I normally do. Bad arm single KB overhead carries I have to do at nursing home weights. Discuss amongst yourselves, advise me on a path, and remember Jessica is listening.
I am a purist too. Never used them and only had a callus tear about 3 times in 8 years. Whilst it is a matter of choice, the key is to not reach for them too soon. I think I recall from the CF Kids course that the aim with kids is to focus on developing grip strength first. Adults are just big kids :)
Going back through old episodes and on e30 you spoke to coaching and not being able to do certain movements. My question is what should you do with a coach that down right refuses to learn or progress on a movement all together. For example “coach Jim” always sips wods with pull-ups and then during classes is aphetic about even coaching or queuing on the pull-up as an example.
Farmer Carries added on active recovery days for grip strength no grip’s obviously 👌🏽
The sheer volume of the kipping gymnastics that we do as CrossFitters makes good grips almost a necessity. For beginners, I always recommend they develop their grip strength and technique (yes, there is technique to gripping the bar, just like a barbell) before wearing grips, but ultimately, once you begin accumulating large amounts of kipping reps, they can be very beneficial. I only recommend my athletes but two pieces of personal equipment - jump rope and gymnastics grips.
I try to avoid wrist wraps except when I am doing very heavy overhead squats.
Two guys who've been doing CF for eons tell you they don't use them, and you immediately say, "The sheer volume of the kipping gymnastics that we do as CrossFitters makes good grips almost a necessity." Do you own a grip company or something?
@@ClockCutter did you not watch the entire episode? At the end of EVERY episode, Pat says something to the effect of "This is what Adrian and I think, but comment below with your thoughts." They ENCOURAGE honest opinions. And no, I don't own a grip company, I've just been coaching CrossFit for nearly a decade and, in my experience, grips are a necessity when doing the high volume of pull-ups that many CrossFitters do. Whenever my athletes do strict pull-ups, I encourage them to not use them, but they can be very helpful in multiple ways when kipping, and can still develop your grip strength if used properly.
My opinion doesn't negate or override theirs, it's simply a different perspective. I agree with them on 99% of what they say, I just happened to disagree this time. Now, if you would like to address what I said on its merits, I'd be happy to discuss my reasoning, but not if you're going to be unnecessarily rude.
@@spencergsmith "Almost a necessity", you said. Both of them, and now add myself and the many people who don't at all or rarely use grips, are in fact evidence against this claim. Or do you just like to exaggerate?
@@ClockCutter I'm going to respond to you one last time, but after that I don't have time to deal with random strangers on the internet who are rude for no reason.
First of all, I don't care one bit about your opinion. I didn't ask for it, and for all I know, you're just a worthless troll. Regarding "the many people who don't at all or rarely use grips" there are just as many if not more CrossFitters who DO use grips on a regular basis, and as for Pat & Boz, as I already explained, they invite dissenting opinions, and although I agree with the majority of their opinions, I'm not some mindless lemming who agrees with everything they think simply because of who they are. I think for myself.
Second, you seem to not grasp the concept of the word "almost" which means that, although they aren't an ACTUAL necessity, they are quite useful and helpful in many situations. Even Boz, who never uses them, admits that if he feels he is about to tear, he'll stop a workout short in order to avoid it. That's good for him, and I advise my athletes to do the same. However, for many of us, we want to avoid getting to the point where we must choose between finishing a workout or not injuring our hands.
Third, between pull-ups, toes-to-bars, muscle-ups, and any other pulling programmed (such as kettlebell swings or snatches), CrossFitters tend to do a HIGH volume of grip-fatiguing movements. I don't use my grips for everything all the time, but I certainly use them for kipping pull-ups, toes-to-bars, and muscle-ups, because they allow me to accomplish more work in less time (which is the definition of improved fitness) with less chance of tearing my hands. Generally, I only tear once per year, and it's usually during Murph or something like Angie.
Fourth, as I already said, I don't recommend beginners start out with grips, because as Boz said, it's critical to properly learn how to grip the bar and maintain good technique throughout the workout. Eventually, when they are performing upwards of 100 reps of these movements in a given week, or if they constantly struggle with tearing their hands -- AFTER I make sure their technique is correct -- I will recommend a good pair of grips.
Finally, if you're going to appeal to authority, which is a logical fallacy, then might I point out that every Olympic-level male gymnast uses grips in their routines? Surely they must not know as much about gymnastics as YOU, do they? Since you're so obsessed with Pat & Boz's authority on this matter, what are YOUR qualifications?
If you choose to respond to this with more unnecessary condescension, just know that I will completely ignore you.
My former coach used to make fun in a light-hearted way of those who would use their gear, he would say something like "you got your knee wraps, wrist wraps, hand grips, mouth guard and belt on? 😅
Hey Pat! Guess what… we still hear it. 😂
@@eileenturcott187 it's good to hear from you Eileen!! how are you and Jon doing? Coach Pats my new coach now! I've been following CrossFit linchpin private track for the last 3 years in my garage gym!
I got gymnastic grips for one word: SWEAT. never use them on barbell work or strict gymnastics