@@ryanjagpal123 even if thats true thats fine unless you are trying to be mr Olympia which you probably are not. Grind get that beach healthy body and your good
Because bodybuilders only care about hypertrophy, which results from extension and contraction under adequate heavy load. Most rookie bodybuilders don't place much emphasis on the eccentric movement, which is actually the most important part for building muscle, as you keep the tension on your muscle in its lengthened position, which as was said in the video, is better for muscle growth.
@@tubax926 hypertrophy is building muscle my guy. Tell me you don't know bodybuilding without telling me you don't know body building. Most bb emphasize eccentrics in a variety of training stimuli. If you don't know just shh.
Because it's not optimal. Static strength isn't optimal for muscular hypertrophy. working a muscle through a lengthened position is better for growth but straight arm isn't. That is why seated 45 degree bench became popular in the golden age of bodybuilding. But there is also a factor of this severally increases chance of bicep injury. Most bodybuilders don't train biceps in overly lengthened way to avoid that and choose progressive overload through a safer range of motion because how their body looks matters more. Different sports different training.
When I started calisthenics, I did skills like 90 degree holds, but supinated and back levers. My biceps grew a lot! Later I found out it was mainly because of the straight arm isometrics. Crazy
The bicep can help shoulder flexion to some degree, but it's not the maim reason for the gymnasts' biceps development. The main reason is because the bicep opposes the hyperextension of the elbow joint, and so, because most of the rings routine are done with locked elbows, the bicep is constantly put under a tremendous amount of tension.
Lol, actual main cause: Because every competing athlete these days are on drugs. There's nothing magical about being a gymnast that makes their biceps extra big compared to say doing pull-ups and bicep curls.
@@donlitt That's also because having a genetically wide shoulders and back means you are better at swimming. So all the best swimmers genetically were born with very wide clavicles and hence a wide back.
@@mag9604 Shredded? Yes. Strong? Yes. Big? No. There are exceptions of course but they’re normally short dudes. They’re not big dudes with wide shoulders giants legs and asses. They’re not football players. And the original comment was right. Short arms and a short frame makes it Easier to put on muscle. A small dude may only need to gain 5-10lbs of muscle to look jacked where a tall dude would need 20-25lbs to look just as jacked.
Great video mate. I know gymnasts with strong but very average biceps personally. Like any sport, it is a genetic thing also. Our genetics govern the amount of hypertrophy we get with progressive strength training.
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The gymnast in the picture you used basically said it’s because gymnastics is mostly upper body and they train many many hours weekly and have been training since they were young
in the straight arm position shown there absolutely is elbow flexion: static elbow flexion in a completely stretched position. Your biceps counteracts the torque generated around the elbow joint. this is actually the part leading to big biceps not the little bit of involvement in the shoulder flexion
Yep and training a muscle in the lengthened position or shortened position isnt better. You need to train it throughout the range of motion. However if it isn't trained much in the lengthened position (which is for most bicep exercises) it will be advantageous to do so and will result in a wave of gains.
@@aravshah8303 you can also train the full rom at one joint while the muscle is lengthened at the other joint. For example overhead triceps extensions or incline curls. This is proven to increase muscle activation, strength and ultimately growth. Isometric holds are less ideal but an isometric hold with the muscle being lengthened at one joint is still better than if that wasn't the case
Excellent tip and explanation. I would have NEVER expected to workout my biceps in an extended position with shoulder flexion. Ive added resistance band shoulder flexion with extended arm to my workout regimen. Amazing. Mind blown 😳
I mean, being a biarticular muscle doesn't really make the biceps a unique muscle, but the part about the lengthened position being better for growth was interesting.
that is wrong because you do not want big muscles you need to be light and a lot of different body types have been olympic champion gymnasts (jacked, donnell wittenburg, light, kohei uchimura etc
Ok, but to test it you should put pressure, not on your hand but on your elbow joint. If you put pressure on your hand it involves the joint the bicep normally contracts (elbow), but if you apply pressure on the joint itself (like right below the bicep) you avoid this flexion and focus only on the shoulder.
What’s funny is I argued with my college anatomy professor on this, he said the bicep was only responsible for elbow flexion which obviously isn’t the case. Elbow flexion is what we most commonly associate it with because of curls but it’s much more than that and when you break the heads down too there’s more to them.
True, forearm flexion is not the sole role of the biceps. It is one of the two main roles along with supination of the wrist. Shoulder flexion is only a minor role, though.
@@Auditas yeah I’m not saying it’s the main purpose, just stating the stupidity of an argument with a tenor professor who has a phd and md saying that the sole purpose was elbow flexion. Not all college professors know what they’re talking about.
@@OG__GreenCrack funny thing to say given that many mainstream sources agree otherwise that the bicep also assists in both shoulder flexion and adduction of the upper arm!
However, I live in Colorado Springs and have met a lot of gymnasts over the years and one thing I always here is "I know I look big but I'm not really all that strong, the size is from (enter gymnast exercise or diet here)" So while yes, they have amazing (internal?) strength and body manipulation, they don't usually declare themselves as powerful or in the strength category of say a mixed martial artist
That doesn't make sense. I think what you're trying to say is the difference between Relative strength versus Absolute strength. Former is developed in gymnasts latter in bodybuilders. One is relative to your own body weight while the other is external power.
ALSO what is conveniently not mentioned is gymnasts are generally pretty short, it's easier to fill out a smaller frame and appear more muscular, for example someone who is 6ft2 can have more bicep muscle tissue than a 5ft3 gymnast but the gymnasts arms will appear bigger.
This is fake and a cope from tall skinny lanklings for why they can't put on muscle lol. When you're taller your muscles are bigger and will grow bigger, you're not less efficient at building muscle relative to your size as a short person if your build and proportions are similar. Also it's way more common for manlets to take steroids because their height makes them insecure. And all gymnasts who compete are also on drugs.
Total load volume / time under tension. They use their upper body for just about everything they do. You could likely calculate exactly how much total time under tension the bicep experiences by taking their body weight + TuT for both isometric and dynamic movements, write it down each day and look at it like oh wowee my biceps were under X tension for Y time isometrically and X tension and Y time dynamically. Take those numbers over the span of a year and compare the figures to a body builder with similar physique and while the numbers will vary, the total load volume may be similar.
I would not recommend straight arm biceps workouts. This video is straight bullshit for several reasons. 1. Most athletes do weight training to become stronger for their respective sports. You'll often see swimmers doing rowing exercises, for example. Obviously, this will lead to bigger muscles, and since gymnasts need a tremendous amount of strength on their arms to stabilize their bodies on their ring routines, they train that. 2. While the biceps is recruited during this type of movement, the main muscle active during shoulder flexion (lifting your arm forward) is the anterior deltoid, or the front muscle on your shoulder. This means that the deltoid will fail before the bicep, limiting the amount you can hit the bicep. 3. Every fucking video that makes these same points shows the same gymnast, who probably just has good bicep genetics. You want good biceps? Do dumbbell curls. Start at neutral grip at the bottom and end in supinated grip at the top.
The kids at the playground "How many sets you got left?" 🤣🤣🤣
The old men at the weight pile.
LMFAO
Right 😂
Yo that pulley setup with the rings is EPIC. How am I just finding out about this now????
Yeah, I think its called gymnastics forza
Dream machine
Seriously buddy me too 😂
Somewhere out there some kid is sad they can’t use the monkey bars
Where can I get that pulley setup from good to invest in one any advice kind Regards
His biceps with elbows locked are bigger than my biceps when I contract them. Wtf
Start grinding
That's why he's making the video and you're watching them😜 Keep at it my friend💪🏽
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin Bro I’m never gonna get that far with my genetics chill
@@ryanjagpal123 even if thats true thats fine unless you are trying to be mr Olympia which you probably are not. Grind get that beach healthy body and your good
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin Yeah I’m not trying to be those Mr Olympia freaks. They are amazing nonetheless, but it just isn’t for me. Thanks
Actually, the most impressive thing about gymnasts are their forearm muscles.
Crazy grip strength.
I’ve been a gymnast for most of my life and I was pretty amazed at my grip strength with the hand dynamometer thing, I got a around 165 lbs both hands
Now I know why I always felt bicep activation during chest flies
Bc theres a muscle that connects to your chest to your upper arm. Called coracobrachialis
@SC Actually both your biceps and pectoralis get contracted less with a bend. But it's more safe doing it with a bend.
@@andresvalverde5182 yeah u can just put a weight that's good for your contractions but still safe with a bend
Ur not supposed to feel ur biceps so don’t fully extend ur arms when doing flys
Even with slight bend I was feeling it.
This is so true and yet I've never seen a single bodybuilder ever mention this function of the biceps
Because bodybuilders only care about hypertrophy, which results from extension and contraction under adequate heavy load. Most rookie bodybuilders don't place much emphasis on the eccentric movement, which is actually the most important part for building muscle, as you keep the tension on your muscle in its lengthened position, which as was said in the video, is better for muscle growth.
@@tubax926 Suuuuure
Eugene Teo and Mike Israetel?
@@tubax926 hypertrophy is building muscle my guy. Tell me you don't know bodybuilding without telling me you don't know body building. Most bb emphasize eccentrics in a variety of training stimuli.
If you don't know just shh.
Because it's not optimal. Static strength isn't optimal for muscular hypertrophy.
working a muscle through a lengthened position is better for growth but straight arm isn't. That is why seated 45 degree bench became popular in the golden age of bodybuilding. But there is also a factor of this severally increases chance of bicep injury. Most bodybuilders don't train biceps in overly lengthened way to avoid that and choose progressive overload through a safer range of motion because how their body looks matters more.
Different sports different training.
Everyone: amazing biceps
Me: he can fly with those wings 😮
fr dudes back is insane
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And his Chest is so ...!
When I started calisthenics, I did skills like 90 degree holds, but supinated and back levers.
My biceps grew a lot! Later I found out it was mainly because of the straight arm isometrics. Crazy
Newbie gains
The bicep can help shoulder flexion to some degree, but it's not the maim reason for the gymnasts' biceps development. The main reason is because the bicep opposes the hyperextension of the elbow joint, and so, because most of the rings routine are done with locked elbows, the bicep is constantly put under a tremendous amount of tension.
Exactly. I’m seeing all these people claiming that it’s the main cause of gymnasts' biceps development.
No. Stop it.
Lol, actual main cause: Because every competing athlete these days are on drugs. There's nothing magical about being a gymnast that makes their biceps extra big compared to say doing pull-ups and bicep curls.
I think the whole body of gymnasts is impressive, not only the biceps.
calfs particularly😂
When gymnasts hop off the rings, they roll away in a wheelchair.
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Makes sense your constantly putting heavy amounts of pressure on the bicep while it’s in a stretched position, eventually the muscle adapts and grows
Definitely you see it in swimmers how they have massive lats. Nucleus overload isn't looking so silly anymore
@@D.3100that’s a good point for the swimmers, swimmers always have wide backs!
@@donlitt That's also because having a genetically wide shoulders and back means you are better at swimming. So all the best swimmers genetically were born with very wide clavicles and hence a wide back.
they have big biceps because they are stimulating the bicep nearly everyday for years, everything else just contributes in a minor way
Gymnasts have impressive everything
Minus the calves
Man those round biceps and triceps look so satisfying
Calisthenic athletes are awesome, pure esthetic 🤌
Gymnastics relies on a balance of muscle to perform most routines, many of which rely on upper body strength.
Gymnastics is great.
they are also INCREDIBLY short and compact, so makes it easier to have bigger arms
They also have short arms… helps a ton
Yeah they are normally quite small dudes
@@genzcurmudgeon8037 small? they are absolutely shredded bigger than all of the muppets crying in this comment section
@@mag9604 Shredded? Yes. Strong? Yes. Big? No.
There are exceptions of course but they’re normally short dudes. They’re not big dudes with wide shoulders giants legs and asses. They’re not football players.
And the original comment was right. Short arms and a short frame makes it Easier to put on muscle. A small dude may only need to gain 5-10lbs of muscle to look jacked where a tall dude would need 20-25lbs to look just as jacked.
@@mag9604 how short are you?? Lmao
@@nateclasen I am short but not short like them lmao
This was an awesome explanation. I loved this. A++++++++ 100000/10
Gymnast also develope the brachialis from all straight arm exercises. This pushes the biceps brachii up giving the illusion of bigger biceps.
Skinny guy, been doing pull-ups like brazy the last 8 months. Can confirm.
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Great video mate. I know gymnasts with strong but very average biceps personally. Like any sport, it is a genetic thing also. Our genetics govern the amount of hypertrophy we get with progressive strength training.
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@@SimonsterStrength
You have an awesome body!
And your cheset is Awesome!
Your partner is a very lucky to be with you!
Take many photos to have to remember in your senior years!!!
Really a handsome Man! 😃🇺🇸🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟♥️
Me holding my dislocating shoulders while listening.
Its the sheer volume of training these guys do, massive amount of reps and static pressure
It’s probably stretch mediated hypertrophy that works the biceps best. E.g. planche, and, back lever works the bicep through stretched pos
Is it just me or if I literally only seen the one picture of the one dude with big biceps?
Who's probably under 5'5, like most gymnasts, so building a big biceps is not that impressive.
@@MrSaiyan333
Also makes his dik look bigger than a tall man's even if it is the same size!
Last one looked like some bdsm contraption
The gymnast in the picture you used basically said it’s because gymnastics is mostly upper body and they train many many hours weekly and have been training since they were young
IMO is not because the articulation of the shoulder but to maintain the elbow straight.
Your intuition is scientifically backed.
That's a pretty cool setup for learning the planche.
These videos are incredibly informative, keep posting!
Legit the first time I learned this. Fascinating.
That’s because this is not true. I’m not trying to be a “know it all” it just isn’t true. the deltoid flex the shoulder.
in the straight arm position shown there absolutely is elbow flexion: static elbow flexion in a completely stretched position.
Your biceps counteracts the torque generated around the elbow joint. this is actually the part leading to big biceps not the little bit of involvement in the shoulder flexion
That and he has amazing genetics
Man whilst U were showing off your biceps your Lats look awesome.
Bro started doing real flies with them rings at the end
It also stabilizes the elbow and shoulder joints while the triceps contact. Look up Lombards paradox.
This is why I’ve been progressing to do things like levers, planches, and the iron cross hold.
Proceeds to show only one gymnast. These bicep-gymnast vids only show him
Yep and training a muscle in the lengthened position or shortened position isnt better. You need to train it throughout the range of motion. However if it isn't trained much in the lengthened position (which is for most bicep exercises) it will be advantageous to do so and will result in a wave of gains.
@@aravshah8303 you can also train the full rom at one joint while the muscle is lengthened at the other joint. For example overhead triceps extensions or incline curls. This is proven to increase muscle activation, strength and ultimately growth. Isometric holds are less ideal but an isometric hold with the muscle being lengthened at one joint is still better than if that wasn't the case
@@aravshah8303 I agree. Your muscles just need unique stimulus between a variety of movements in every different angle its supposed to work in.
Excellent tip and explanation. I would have NEVER expected to workout my biceps in an extended position with shoulder flexion.
Ive added resistance band shoulder flexion with extended arm to my workout regimen. Amazing.
Mind blown 😳
That piece of equipment he was using at the playground must of cost a pretty penny nice
I mean, being a biarticular muscle doesn't really make the biceps a unique muscle, but the part about the lengthened position being better for growth was interesting.
Unique as an elbow flexor
thats actually a good explanation
yo that pulley setup is fire
Therefore I usually get an amazing biceps pump when performing dumbbell chest flys
If I tried to do that last move my elbows would turn inside out
Bro that's fucking badass combine cable technology with gymnastics rings
Good stuff..... cool setup too!!
Looks like I'll be doing straight arm supinated dumbbell curls
It’s selection and genetics. Gymnasts with that specific bicep insertion will be top level gymnasts.
that is wrong because you do not want big muscles you need to be light and a lot of different body types have been olympic champion gymnasts (jacked, donnell wittenburg, light, kohei uchimura etc
superset bicep incline curls with bicep pull ups for massive range and size.
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You have some really good advices 😊
Those biceps are literally insane
Ok, but to test it you should put pressure, not on your hand but on your elbow joint. If you put pressure on your hand it involves the joint the bicep normally contracts (elbow), but if you apply pressure on the joint itself (like right below the bicep) you avoid this flexion and focus only on the shoulder.
I wanna have the cable setting that you showed at the end. How do I get it?
Good info, not many people know this second funtuon of the biceps. You can add that the lony head is also an abductior, and the short head an adductor
Looking like an engineer with those biceps
100% correct my friend..!
Excellent info
The body makes the athlete, the spot doesn't make the body
What's is name of the tool that used on the short
Gimnastic dream machine is 400 USD in Amazon
very educational. thanks
If you’re mad, swap your dumbbell curls for pull-ups and chin-ups and watch the difference
Cool monkey bars at the end 😁
What’s funny is I argued with my college anatomy professor on this, he said the bicep was only responsible for elbow flexion which obviously isn’t the case. Elbow flexion is what we most commonly associate it with because of curls but it’s much more than that and when you break the heads down too there’s more to them.
True, forearm flexion is not the sole role of the biceps.
It is one of the two main roles along with supination of the wrist.
Shoulder flexion is only a minor role, though.
@@Auditas yeah I’m not saying it’s the main purpose, just stating the stupidity of an argument with a tenor professor who has a phd and md saying that the sole purpose was elbow flexion. Not all college professors know what they’re talking about.
@@OG__GreenCrack agreed.
@@OG__GreenCrack funny thing to say given that many mainstream sources agree otherwise that the bicep also assists in both shoulder flexion and adduction of the upper arm!
Thanks many of my friends try that Resistant position and their Biceps ruptured
We need way more Shorts from you.
Man I always wished I can have someone like this as my workout partner. I would give my 1000% everyday and make him proud to be my Sansei.
lol i have read gymnasts as gymrats xD
I seriously have always wondered why
straight arm bicep workouts? bro you just changed my life
Wasnt that called the dream machine.
Daymn i need one
He's DREAMS FOR DAYS!
What a gorgeous Man? 😋
Answer: time under tension bro.
OUTSTANDING advice ! Slow and control negatives to hanging on pull ups in a hammer curl position 💪
the stretch is key in any growth and try not to unload on reps
Man’s brought out the Attack on Titan 3D Gear Training set
Thank you!!!🎉
Thanks 😊
The algorithms took too long to show me this as well as you took too long with posting and doing this video. I needed this before my injury 🙄
Wow, thanks!
Bro is doing a real chest fly
the biceps have to flex so that the elbow joint doesn't break
Yes. That too
What’s the name of that apparatus he was using at the playground
Great video. Where can you buy that cool ring setup
Is that Jake Dalton on the picture?
No wonder i could feel my biceps during reverse grip push ups or planche lean
However, I live in Colorado Springs and have met a lot of gymnasts over the years and one thing I always here is "I know I look big but I'm not really all that strong, the size is from (enter gymnast exercise or diet here)"
So while yes, they have amazing (internal?) strength and body manipulation, they don't usually declare themselves as powerful or in the strength category of say a mixed martial artist
There's no such thing as a "strength category of a mixed martial artist"
Who do you mean exactly? Suga Sean O'Malley? Or Francis Ngannou
That doesn't make sense. I think what you're trying to say is the difference between Relative strength versus Absolute strength. Former is developed in gymnasts latter in bodybuilders. One is relative to your own body weight while the other is external power.
ALSO what is conveniently not mentioned is gymnasts are generally pretty short, it's easier to fill out a smaller frame and appear more muscular, for example someone who is 6ft2 can have more bicep muscle tissue than a 5ft3 gymnast but the gymnasts arms will appear bigger.
This is fake and a cope from tall skinny lanklings for why they can't put on muscle lol. When you're taller your muscles are bigger and will grow bigger, you're not less efficient at building muscle relative to your size as a short person if your build and proportions are similar. Also it's way more common for manlets to take steroids because their height makes them insecure. And all gymnasts who compete are also on drugs.
Total load volume / time under tension. They use their upper body for just about everything they do. You could likely calculate exactly how much total time under tension the bicep experiences by taking their body weight + TuT for both isometric and dynamic movements, write it down each day and look at it like oh wowee my biceps were under X tension for Y time isometrically and X tension and Y time dynamically. Take those numbers over the span of a year and compare the figures to a body builder with similar physique and while the numbers will vary, the total load volume may be similar.
Please watch my videos about why volume load and time under tension are poor predictors of muscle growth.
What straight arm bicep workouts do you suggest without one having access to the ring pulley device you’re using in this short?
I wanna buy the device tho. It looks so cool
I would not recommend straight arm biceps workouts. This video is straight bullshit for several reasons.
1. Most athletes do weight training to become stronger for their respective sports. You'll often see swimmers doing rowing exercises, for example. Obviously, this will lead to bigger muscles, and since gymnasts need a tremendous amount of strength on their arms to stabilize their bodies on their ring routines, they train that.
2. While the biceps is recruited during this type of movement, the main muscle active during shoulder flexion (lifting your arm forward) is the anterior deltoid, or the front muscle on your shoulder. This means that the deltoid will fail before the bicep, limiting the amount you can hit the bicep.
3. Every fucking video that makes these same points shows the same gymnast, who probably just has good bicep genetics.
You want good biceps? Do dumbbell curls. Start at neutral grip at the bottom and end in supinated grip at the top.
Who cares about your biceps. You got wings man. I believe you can fly!
I genially thought gymnist was just a gym goer
the hole in the ceiling😂😂😂
So theoretically, doing a cable curl with your arms straight out and towards your forehead would be a KILLER bicep exercise.
It's definitely not because of straight arm shoulder flexion. They just have a ton of time under tension with relatively heavy loads on the biceps
Nice video!
No joke though those biceps are *stacked*
really?? i thought u were joking
I have to believe it is working pretty hard, even when straight, to keep your elbow from bending the wrong way lol
Absolutely
Ah cool, so all I have to do is the iron cross and stuff for a while