Hey, friends! Thanks so much for watching and thanks so much to my wonderful insightful guest Lizzie for taking the time to talk with me today. I hope you enjoy this interview! ❤
I've been a geek since the 90s and currently run an anime group, and even conduct panels at cons. I've seen firsthand how this scene has begun in, and eventually taken over, fandom spaces. I've been waiting for this conversation for a very long time, so thank you Buck for finally addressing the elephant in the room! I'll happily share my insight if you'd like!
Same here, older millennial. I do still cosplay, but I avoid the younger ones with the trans flags and the pronoun pins like the plague. I keep it oldschool and hang with people my age who still go for the fun times. Make your own costume and all that. I feel like Tiktok and cheap cosplay/anime/merch websites from China are ruining a lot..
Why do we keep pathologising normal puberty? Hormonal swings are normal, mood swings are normal, identity confusion - perfectly normal. These kids are not trans or non-binary or anything else. They are just teenagers!
If you had met me as a young child, you'd think I was trans by today's standards. I thought I was going to grow an 🍆. I was around a lot of men and boys. They weren't creepy with me, but I was jealous of how they urinated. I was such a tomboy. If in 1972 it was fashionable for parents to make their kids trans, I would have been on puberty blockers, and my life would have been destroyed. As an adult, yes I'm a lesbian, but very feminine leaning to androgynous. I don't want to be a man. I love being a lesbian and a biological woman. Thank G_d I'm old 😅
As a 37 yo straight male - who felt so different has a teen I thought maybe I was born with both sexes and my parents chose to make me a boy instead of a girl for a while - I 100% agree
On top of that, I think that especially a lot of girls get a rude awakening when they hit puberty. Not only do you have all the identity / not comfortable in your own body / hormonal stuff that every kid will go through, A LOT of girls start to get sexualized by the people around them almost immediately upon starting to grow hips or boobs (or even before). Not necessarily inappropriate physical contact, just weird comments from the adults around them that will make them very uncomfortable. If they see their male peers NOT going through that (or at least perceive that to be the case) and then you dangle the idea of being trans in front of them, of course they would want to be a boy! That is to say, it's not about "I feel like a boy" it's "I don't like being a girl", which is not what being transsexual is -- but it is apparently being trans nowadays. Hell, I went through a phase where I wore all boys clothes and oversized stuff and tried to hide my body for exactly those reasons. Twenty years later, I'm very happily a woman. Sometimes it really is "just a phase"!
I'm also an artist and a writer, and part-time I deal with adult furries (commissions.) I go to anime/comic cons and alternative pop ups as a vendor. You do... see things from the customer base (early 20s) and fellow vendors (25+). Not good things. I've also had customers come up to my booths and "identity dump" unsolicited. They are energy vampires. At 1-2 cons, there were adults (parent aged) with t-shirts offering hugs to trans/queer/gay kids. I understand people need physical affection, but it's weird. Very few other creatives know that I'm a middle-ground conservative. I found a welcoming group of creative friends several years ago, but had to leave because I got sick of how se4ual things were all the time and how blurred and line-crossing things had become, which was negatively affecting other friends around me who had squishier boundaries than me.
I’ve noticed this too. These customers who “identity dump” are disturbed mentally and I think we can both agree these are not people who should be around kids. They are warping kids minds and eventually they will likely become overly depressed and faced with a lifetime of regrets. That is not a path that is sustainable or good for humanity.
@@MugiHours I've been thrown the "racist" label for challenging their ideas. I don't care if somebody is left leaning or right leaning, overall I'm a left leaning person. It's that these people that you and I experienced are too far to the Left, and their ideas I just cannot accept as good for society in the long run. I can count on one hand the number of conservative artists I met. Leftist artists heavily outnumber conservatives and anyone who sees themselves as Centrist or Moderate.
@@KratostheThird I have always defined myself as leftist, but I am sick of all this woke sh1t that has nothing to do with real equality (not even reality!). It is just plain narcissistic manipulation
@@KratostheThirdI think they are too far gone, never mind too left leaning. As a leftie myself, this stuff is beyond a rational persons comprehension and completely disgusting.
What is the golden rule for cosplay? First and foremost, "cosplay is not consent" is the biggest rule to follow. Just because someone is dressed up as your favorite character, doesn't mean you can touch them or thier props without permission.
@@KendraMorgan-ob2frThere was a big thing last year where this one Deku cosplayer was chased around a con by a Baku cosplayer and it made them so uncomfortable.
Dude this video is so refreshing. I've been an artist and involved in the furry fandom since I was 13, I'm 31 now. When I was heavily involved back in 2016, furry was entirely intertwined with extremist leftism, trans appropriation, extremely dogmatic culture. I've started drawing again and attempting to reintroduce myself on social media and in the online art world, but I cant actually express myself as an individual or my personal feelings whatsoever beyond posting art because it feels like the overwhelming majority of furries now are some flavor of trans. If I said anything I'd be cancelled, doxxed, blacklisted, whole twitter and etc posts about how I'm a dangerous person lol. It's insane.
I used to know people back in the 2000’s who were very passionate about the fandom, like you. I was a member of various fandoms, and none of it was political or revealing. By 2016, these fandoms were overly political, not to mention too revealing. The culture made me back away.
I had a friend in highschool who would draw us as wallaby’s. I think of her often wondering how she feels 15 years later with all this weirdness that has occurred
In the early 90's I had made a comic of a bunch of anthro teens in a metal band. Loved those characters but I wouldn't want them out there now. They were cute, innocent, and just wanted to party. How things have changed..
I’ve noticed this a lot. A ton of people who identify as non-binary will frequently dehumanise themselves. Some actually want to be called it/itself now. Some of them compare themselves to animals. The mannequin thing reminds me of this. Barely anyone in these spaces see an issue with it. It’s deeply concerning to me, especially since the others around them affirm it.
I'm a cosplayer, and I've seen things like this at a recent con i went to. Most of the "trans" ppl who go to these spaces are very rude, disrespectful, overly sexual, racist, and gatekeepers. Yet they want everyone to "validate their identity". Respect is earned not given babe
@KratostheThird I'm not gonna speak on what people wear. As long as they're of age. As far as children go, that's for the parents to explain. I'm mainly speaking about what goes on during some of the panels, after parties in the hotel rooms, and during the after parties at the con itself. The last one i attended, i had to kick a guest out of my room because they lied about their age and was drinking in my room, all the while trying to have sex in my room without my permission with someone who was 10+years their senior. And this person identified as trans/non binary.
@@ElisNUnderland I am inclined to agree with you, but exposure gets seen anyway. I’m more concerned with how they’re influencing young people. This conversation between Buck and Lizzie really opens up to what is going on. What started around 20 years ago or so has evolved into something more disturbing. I was around these events back then, so I can definitely say that things have changed.
@KratostheThird i do agree this has changed. I've been in the scene for a little over 13 years. The things we did back then weren't nearly as bad and lewd as it is now. My friends and i all have noticed that it's getting worse. Not just with the depraved activities, but we've noticed more of the younger ppl destroying the venue for the sake of content on social media, more racism among cosplayers, more of these orgies that happen in hotel rooms, more underaged activities (one con there were a ton of ppl around the age of 18 were drinking and smoking) and even ppl my age and younger (I'm 32) are drinking and getting way too drunk. Almost to the point of getting kicked out or downright banned from the event. Idk what we can do about this without hurting the ppl who actually follow the rules.
I'm actually a furry and been in the fandom for quite some time. I joined because of my interest in 80s and 90s cartoons that had a lot of anthropomorphic characters. That included the kind of material that Disney used to have at the time. When I went to my first furry con in 2019, it wasn't that bad. But since COVID, it has just gotten worse. You have to walk around eggshells because you can't "misgender" or use the "wrong" pronoun because some people throw fits and everyone by default just refers to each other as "they/them." I'm OK with using the pronouns that transgender people want to use if they make the effort to look the part, but it gets so difficult when you see all these burly bearded men with flannel shirts with "She/Her" pins or name tags or women with makeup with "He/Him" pins. I've noticed that a large portion of non-binary people tend to be young artsy women. Lately I've been seeing all these people in pup hoods in broad daylight at hotel lobbies during cons and a growing number of pup and drag queen panels and events. I just wanted a simple innocent temporary fantasy to bring a smile to other people when I dress up, but it's getting kind of hard for me to fit in furry cons when this is all taking place.
I was active in the cosplay community for about 15 years. I know exactly what she's talking about, this is just the tip of the iceberg! It's crazy shit. I know at least 15 girls in my circle alone who became "transboys."
I've seen this on social media. They all start off as regular straight or gay girls before they call themselves trans men/non binary/gender fluid or whatever they make up. And you can see their life drain from their faces because they're so miserable and unhappy and everything triggers them.
I miss cosplaying, it used to be so fun back in the day! I went once as Raven from Teen Titans and once as Hanajima from Fruits Basket. As an introvert with health issues, anime/manga was my saving grace as a child. I’m really not happy at all what it has turned into, it’s so embarrassing! As a millennial I never saw any of this at conventions, my friend used to go as a Lolita with beautiful homemade dresses and that was considered the most crazy when we went.
I left the cosplay community at the start of all this. Not only the woke problems but the issue with how cosplay isn’t seen as a labour of love but rather a competition for likes and followers and cosplaying as the trendy characters and not ones you actually love or feel connected to.
Yes I agree! I used to practice for months to get poses and walks and even try to get my voice close enough. I cosplayed Pegasus from Yugiou for so long its actually effected my own voice at times which is fine! I think its cool. but it makes people double take lol. And honestly I never cared before if you bought your costume or not and people used to get into it regardless. But now if they get a seamstress friend they abuse them. Misunderstand how long things take, want extremely detailed outfits for pennies. It's so disrespectful.
Same for me too! I left the cosplay community two years ago and I used to make most of my cosplays by hand. I'm slowly getting back into it and realizing how fun they really are. I'm just staying away from the social media part. Like you said, people do it for the likes and follows and suck the fun out it.
Semi-obscure characters less attention, but seeing that handful of people who double take at you with a massive grin on their face is always so rewarding and those people usually want to have an actual conversation with you about the game itself!
I miss the days of Genshiken where Anime expos and conventions weren't as popular. People were passionate about cosplay and cosplayers were respected for the work they put into their outfits. Now it's like going to Las Vegas or some Theme Park where you have influencers paving the way like Mickey Mouse or Goofy at Disneyworld.
Im a cosplayer who happens to be bi and while ive only started to going to cons for a few years now, i was always into geek culture being one myself. I can definitely feel the shift just within my few years of actually going to cons: I have been asked my pronouns and gotten dirty looks for saying im a woman in response (ironically from other females most of the time), there were all kinds of neopronoun stickers at a con I went to last year, all kinds of odd behavior from mostly women and girls who are lost but put on a costume so they won't have to face their obvious issues and behavior. It's heartbreaking and in a space where you're supposed to have fun and be yourself becomes awfully tense. If it means anything, I would volunteer for a women and girls only app where non-conforming women can share their experiences with others. These things should be talked about rather than ignored, I've seen firsthand how toxic this stuff is.
@KratostheThird I've experienced it outside of con events as well (im a young adult in the city) and going to cons was a way to unwind from all the real world bs. Though there were still people like this, I could still have a good time. Last year wasn't as fun since I began to notice the dirty looks, hostility, I've been "misgendered" on purpose just to fit their worldview (remember: women can't simply have masculine energy/be a tomboy so we must be "nonbinary"). I'm planning for more cons this year but last year's experience is still fresh on the mind.
If basic psychology 101 human development was taught in the 8th grade, instead of sex education, we wouldn’t have this problem. A focus on development, trauma, trust, and archetypes is KEY. Workshops devoted to discussing kids’ archetypes and what a neurosis is, with discussions on potential healthy, REAL characters as archetypes, would be revolutionary.
I think both are important. I memorized all the STD stuff and I stopped a lot of friends from sleeping around by just reminding them of what could happen.
Over diagnosis of behavioral disorders and the excuse making by people that leads to the acceptance of outlandish behaviors has led to more unacceptable action. Shaming, corrective refocusing and redirection of said behaviors need to be reintroduced. You can't just let people fly their freak flag and turn your head.
Buck! My god I love you! I’ve been saying this for years, very few people are really trans. All the rest are cosplaying. I’ve been trying to get the word out,and here it is,you’ve nailed it! The first time I’ve heard someone else say it.
@@lizziegirl5124 so great to hear. Guess I’m out of the loop. Lol being an old blonde white heterosexual. 😂 this whole thing is being played out for money. Once you can get the young impressionable minds to go along, you’ve created your cult. Sad,really sad.
@@clarks58 being a cult is the new designer handbag. Honestly so glad I learned about them early on and noticing it festering in the spiritual community. People want to be cult leaders and they fight over followers. Its nuuuuts.
@@lizziegirl5124 and if you’re a celebrity,the newest designer handbag is having a trans child,non binary child or anything ending in an ISM. So sad for these kids to be nothing more than an accessory.
My oldest son is 27. He came out as a transwoman last year. I was devastated. We don't have a relationship now. People online has him convinced. He lives with my parents now b/c his father did not want that lifestyle around our 2 younger kids. I tried REAL HARD to be there and accept this. I grieved the death of my son even though I was told my son never existed. He is brainwashed. As a kid he was the typical all boy. Peeing outside and all. Running around every summer without a shirt. There's a lot more of this story b/c he went to therapy and finally got a job while he was still claiming to be my son. He moved out. Was doing great. Then one day he came home to me and sat on my bed and told me he was trans and he wanted to be my daughter. I won't type it all here, but there's things that happened to him while he was moved out with 2 male room mates. I get jumbled up while typing, but I would love to talk about it.
I'm so sorry that happened. If you need to talk about it please talk to me if you can't get ahold of Buck. It's harder to get on his radar now and he doesn't mean to.
I am not an expert, but I am here if you wanna talk. (I socially transitioned for four years and then went back, it was a huge process for me and my family)
Sounds like she may just be trans as well. Maybe try to have some heart to hearts with your child and ask open questions without attacking (not saying you are, but it sounds like you aren’t open at all to this and may be getting snippy with your child causing her to close off)
Don't give up on your son, You need to be there for when or if he changes his mind. Ask him questions that might help him question his decision, If he doesn't have another point of view then all he will have is the opinion of others who will not have his best interests. I've raised my boys to trust me with anything, It's hard to put your parental side to one side, and just listen and try to understand and talk in a way that does not come across judgemental. I had a situation with my son and I was freaked out but had to listen and talk with love. It's hard with the emotions parents feel and the panic, But if you can get to a situation you can talk and ask your son questions and just tell him you love him and want to be there for him, You give him a space to come back to if he doubts his decision. If he doesn't have that, He will feel pressure to turn to the people talking in his ear that it's the only place he can be excepeted and belong.
A friend of mine has a daughter who loves cosplay, but then she starts self harming and became horribly depressed. She started saying she was trans and my friend completely went whole hog with it. I challenged her because I didn't think a 14 year old who is self harming and wants to be someone else should be making such big decisions. We are not really friends anymore.
I had a business based on selling clothing i made at conventions. I started ot at 15 and ended it when i was 22. The amount of degeneracy i had to deal with because i was trying to be kind to people was insane. It has made me very sensitive to protecting women's spaces. The bathrooms at conventions where scary.
Why not protect spaces for everyone? I get tired of this. It's like the whole "Bring our girls home" thing when the Islamic terrorists kidnapped those kids in the Obama administration. You know why they took those dozens of girls hostage? Because they'd already taken an equal amount of boys hostage, but found that nobody cared. Literally. They couldn't get any publicity. So they murdered all the boys and went and took girls. Then there was an international uproar. 1 in 6 men gets sexually assaulted during their lifetime but all we care about is women's safety.
I was also part of the con community & a lot of what she says it’s stuff that I’ve warned my own people at some point of my cosplay “career”, my own friends thought I was crazy or making this stuff up bc they were new to the game. Thank you for speaking on this, and ofc Lizzie this is coming from a semi-retired cosplayer who has been doing this for 12 years and left bc I couldn’t tolerate their nonsense.
I'm only getting back into cosplay now (after 10 years give or take) and I will definitely be staying away from the cosplay crowd when I'm there. It sounds weird but I like the design and building side of cosplay. The catty and competitive side can suck it. I'm only making things that I want to make too not what people want me to make and I'm doing it for fun not to win. It's such a toxic community and people need to just chill tf out. They take it so seriously to the point where it totally sucks the fun out of things. 😂
@@BAT1357 it's not weird! Thats why I miss it and I will do it again! I just know I'm gonna probably do solo modeling on Instagram for a while before I even bother going back.
@@lizziegirl5124 girl yes, you cannot room with anyone bc they’ll straight up be sensitive af with certain things. Which is why I go with some friends that I know aren’t big pussies with ego problems
I watched an interview with a sex psychologist/therapist who works with sex offenders, about two years ago. Anyhow he stated that the furry cosplay thing is an excellent vehicle for those with ill intentions. The costume is a mask and gives an appearance of cute, sweet, fun, innocent. Things happen. People happen. Bad people find many ways to hide behind masks of kindness and friendship.
Here is a true story. My friend is involved in StarWars stuff like full stormtrooper and Wookiee outfits. I think they just call it “Troopin” and not cosplay. He is public about it because they do fundraisers and stuff for kids. Anyway, One day my friend gets a text from his female coworker. She is at a wedding reception somewhere. She sends him a picture of herself with this “cosplayers” and asks”This is what you do right?” It turned out that there was a Furry event next door to the reception. My friend was terrified… “how do I explain to her (coworker mind you) what that is or should I even attempt to?” Some things are best left alone
What makes me sad is, like cosplaying, Furry wasn't even originally a sexual thing. It's the exact same people ruining both hobbies because they can't keep their sexuality behind closed doors. I'm glad more furries are finally starting to speak up and speak out against the crazies. But the crazies run the anime dubbing and subbing industry so no surprise they're also running the cons now. Sad...
I used to be in the Furry fandom until a Furry lacking boundaries made a sexual advance at me. That ended it for me right there. I know some in the fandom are into it for the friends and to see the more SFW art. Yet, much of the fandom involves sex and that what is put out for all to see. I’ve always said that Furries are terrible at positive PR. CSI- Fur and Loathing sadly is what is all about. I’m glad I made a hasty exit! I still draw Furry art and am writing a Sci-Fi Furry novel, but I steer clear of the fandom.
If you don't mind me asking....... are you a man or woman? I've had similar issues with some of the people in the fandom, but then again the same could be said about gay male spaces (tbh I find those to be worse for unwanted sexual advances). Much of the fandom is made up of predominantly gay men, and I do feel really bad for the women because of how few there are and the blatant sexism in the fandom. I've noticed this seems to be a common thing in the gaming community as well which suffers from the same imbalance of men & women.
@@ShinigamiWolf The gaming communities are infested with these people. I've been banned from a couple gaming forums for questioning their actions and confronting them.
Most furries are like you, and me. Into the SFW side of things. The issue is, like AnimeCons are now seeing, the crazies took over the hobby because we didn't gatekeep and we didn't crack down on the behaviors early on, when they weren't common.
@@KratostheThirdAll Fandom they've taken over. Art? Check. Books? Check. Games? Check. It's insane how quickly they took over everything. Makes me so sad.
Cosplay did NOT start with the furry crap! Cosplay was originally people dressing up like characters in video games and cartoons and movies not animals!!
I'm not trying to be mean because I do know what these conventions were like but you said video games look at how many animals are in video games especially sonic. I remember people with dressing incredibly bad as sonic for laughs even though they loved the game and some people were dressing as animal characters from video games. Not for this silly furry stuff.
Buck and Lizzie!! What a breath of fresh air!! As a woman in the middle of detransitioning, who has been in these spaces and even worked at two conventions before starting testosterone in my mid twenties, it was so helpful to have so much confirmed via someone else. These spaces are getting more and more wild by the moment. It feels like Tumblr bleeding into real life. I worked at a renaissance faire for a summer and was regularly s3xu4lly harassed--and witnessed people walking around in full pup fetish gear, on leashes as submissives, interacting with/being 'pet' by children after being "given permission" to do so by whomever was leading them around. It was utter insanity and I was blown away. Thank you both for bringing some grounded energy to this--it helps so much to be a part of this little corner of the internet! Love to you both.
Pup kink at a RENAISSANCE FAIR? I thought it was funny when people brought their Star Trek outfits and would pretend they were on the holo deck but thats just nuts. Thank you so much for your kind words!
@@lizziegirl5124 Right?! Fully Mad Hatter tea party vibe. The holo deck fun time is so silly and good-there are so many appropriate ways to be playful around this stuff. Of course! Thank you for showing up so authentically in this interview. Much appreciated, friend.
@@figtree6356 wow! But I am not surprised. Next they'll be showing up to Christmas Craft Sales. I'm an honest blunt person, but have to be inauthentic a lot in my job and Buck really brings me back into my space! So I am honoured that I got to be here.
This is probably the best one I’ve ever seen. I love this young woman. She brings so much context to so many issues I’m curious about. I’ve read about nullos, furries, cosplay ( that dark not light aspects) but she’s really unearthing the underbelly of the connections. Also gaming, ( that side of it) shadow work etc.. she’s utterly brilliant and extremely well adjust d given her history. I think she should become a therapist no matter how long it takes, because her insight is unbelievable. She’s amazing.❤
Wowowowowowowow! Thank you so sooo much. I would not go through therapy certification I do not think I would enjoy that process especially now. I would be incredibly targeted and they would attempt to "shut me up". I would not do well in those class rooms and it would absolutely feel like a waste of my time and money. But I was a life coach for two years and will likely get back into that when things get more settled again in my life. Again I appreciate you so much!! Thank you!
OMG, back in 2021 my underage son asked me to take him to a furry convention in Pittsburgh. I want to support him and I lived in Pittsburgh for a few month, so I was willing to take him. It ended up being cancelled because of Covid and after watching this, I am thankful.
If it's a small, local con, then likely it would have been SFW, but still I don't think the hobby will ever be able to save itself from the same crazies now taking over AnimeCons.
This stuff is so close to my heart. Between video games and gaming cons, I loved looking at cosplay and appreciated the effort, whether is was professional or wood and styrofoam. You could be anyone outside if you didn’t fill right on the inside. Same for D&D. Be anyone you want. No one cared who you boinked. Old school Japanese role playing games thought you to be a hero, be kind and chivalrous and save the town. We were the freaks and geeks. I used to go to a convention in Indiana, that one year just decided to embrace the Alphabet. It was to the point that it was more about alphabet than just gamers. Place just felt toxic, folks were empowered to be offended. A right-of-center UA-camr got sucker-punched, physically assaulted by one of the Alphabet mafia folks. It stopped being an inclusive place unless you flown an anointed banner. Bitching here probably because it was the first time I saw how righteous and poisonous some would can get. No one gave a shit who anyone was before. Everyone was equal. And then some just wanted to be more equal. …end rant
That was Gen Con, the largest gaming convention with 75k attendees. 2018. Jeremy Hambly was attacked by Matt Loter who recently finished a term with GAMA. Loter made open threats against Hambly on Twitter after Hambly questioned Anita Sarkisian being a Guest of Honor, as she's not well known in the tabletop gaming industry nor has she produced anything of note. After the attack, Loter deleted his tweets and locked down his account. Hambly received no recourse from the police and had to make a civil suite against Loter. They settled it and made public apologies. Loter was also reinstated and allowed to attend Gen Con, Hambly however is still banned from the convention, evidently having the temerity to be a victim of a violent attack. Loter has important friends in the tabletop gaming industry, an industry being taken over by the alphabet mafia, and they all believe him to be stunning and brave.
@@lizziegirl5124 I think we are going to swing back to normal but at the same time LGBT is taking a hit and and folks speaking out against them don’t know the nuance of QIA+peepeepoopoo .. Fortunately we got folks like Buck, Marcus, Blair reaching across the lines and having folks like you being heard.
@@HussarPlays I remember this. I watched Jeremy aka TheQuartering for a long time. Always seemed like a cool dude that you can sit down and play games with, or do some classic D&D and have a fun time. He didn't and doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.
46:02 I am a straight, white man who knew and heard of Buck back in 2006-2007 when I read about him in an article about the porn industry. Buck is downplaying his role in the community that I (a straight man) have no part of whatsoever... yet even still I know who he is and knew who he was before Dylan Mulwhatshisface was slapped on a can of pisswater. You're not merely the Star Quarterback Buck of your movement Buck, You're the Vince Lombardi of it.
I never usually comment on any videos but Lizzie really resonated with me. I have been a woman in the cosplay community for over 10 years and have since stepped away from them, partly due to financial reasons and partly due to the Q+ community infiltrating much of the space. (This will be a long read, I apologize) I am 110% a Tomboy through and through but if I had to grow up in this day and age, I'm pretty certain that people would try to convince me that I was non-binary. The truth of the matter is that Non-Binary in and of itself does not exist. I have had people who tried to debate and argue with me that they are real and they do exist but 100% of their arguments rested in "intersexuality" which by the way does not equate to being non-binary. Even someone who is intersex either goes through the surgery as a child or as an adult to assign themselves to the binary which disproves their logic and rhetoric. It is also factually impossible to be transgender and non binary at the same time. I went to college for Psychology and was taught that transgender literally means to TRANSITION from one gender to the other, again, this rests in the binary, disproving their case again. I do feel guilty for their situation that spoon-fed them with these lies and warped their perceptions of reality but at the same token, I am not responsible for the delusions of someone who is deranged. I also have no legal obligation or need to address and believe their beliefs if I think they are bullshit. Nobody is ever going to tell me that I need to address them as your/majesty and come in with the expectation that I should be a psychic and know what pronouns they use when it rains or shines, that's unrealistic and ridiculous and the fact that their movement can't see how foolish it is, says everything about them. The worst part about this to me is the levels of censorship that are perpetuated onto anybody who has even the slightest sliver of a differing opinion. At this rate being called a bigot or a phobic of any kind is like clockwork and holds no significance to me just because that individual doesn't want to live in reality. I'm also a woman who plays a ton of PC games and I have even my own family judging me for not befriending these lunatics. Quite frankly I couldn't care less, I am a woman with morals and values who believes in facts and I wish to surround myself with people who think the same way, which is difficult to find in this day and age when everyone is walking on eggshells and afraid to speak their mind without associating themselves directly to a particular political party. I also did agree with Lizzie that I do believe people would be a little more tolerant and accepting if they didn't act like such victims and force their beliefs onto others. I know trans women who get misgendered and brush it off like its nothing. They are very much to themselves and just want to live their lives and I respect that 100%. I feel bad for the T's that the Q+ people are tarnishing and tainting their reputation with their stupidity and I could only ever hope that the world wakes up to this nonsense and actually starts to fight back against it because as of now, having any resemblance of an opinion like my own can cause you to receive death threats and its absolutely horrible. Stay safe out there but don't be afraid to stay true to yourself and your beliefs as well. If they want to believe they are a they/them, we should have the rights to believe that they are ridiculous too. Great Video Buck :)
Sadly, i can relate to a lot of your guests who have experienced so much trauma. But it's comforting in a way, because there's nobody i can talk to and it's so isolating & lonely, and it makes me feel so alone. For months i have tried to get psychotherapy, but in southern California, the wait is months. I got one session after 6 months, and it was her LAST day, but it was obvious that she didn't care. Nobody else who took my insurance were taking new patients. To listen to you and your guests is really helpful and make me feel like I'm not alone. I'm not trans, but i'm forever single and alone still in middle (or later) age. My whole life I've been such an outcast. Thank you so much for giving a different and more compassionate and sensible narrative.
I felt the same way for a long time and even though i had one good therapist, since he didn't prescribed me medication the organization he worked for had him cut me off 4 sessions short of the 10 I was supposed to get. 😮 so I haven't really had enough help since meeting buck either. I'm glad I could comfort you a little bit. You aren't alone and if you need someone to talk to please reach out!
I'm very sorry to hear this. I loved California for its weather, its atmosphere, its scenery and its entertainment (movies, TV and tech), as well as its people. The state has really gone off the rails these past few years.
" -but I'm forever single and alone." See my therapist would tell me to stop right there, because thinking that way gets you into a spiral of negative feelings making depression worse. It's a freaking struggle some days but you have to keep moving forward.
Been cosplaying and Fursuiting since 2007. I would love to talk about this from my spot. It’s one of the reason I don’t really talk or hang out with Cosplayer/furries much at all.
I also couldn’t act up at Conventions in my state. One of uncle’s was the head of security or security for a couple. And another uncle (before I disowned him) did interview and convention coverage. So like. I had eyes on me. Even if my parents weren’t there.
@@stressedskittlezrainI was around this kind of stuff. The costumes weren’t as revealing. Websites like DeviantArt showed furry art like Sonic the Hedgehog, Disney characters and so forth without being inappropriate. What happened?
@@KratostheThird right? I might’ve survive the yoai paddle era. And have two of them. But like. I don’t know when the madness got so bad Dx it was there. Maybe HomeStuck? And like. Back in the day. We knew who was gay/trans. But never brought it up. We just left them be. Cause the cosplays were epic!
@KratostheThird have u not heard what bucks saying it was always in the adult space i.e sexual context the qestion is when did furys become normal culture when a phocologist will tell u somone dressing that way has deeper routed issues that need adressing
I remember seeing Comic Con back in the early 2000’s. At the time, many of the people who showed up were men. They dressed as their favorite superhero or villain, and you can tell they were wearing fan costumes. They were having fun, sharing edgy jokes, and just had a great time. Things have now evolved to where a class of Millennial/Gen Z people, have practically invaded the space. And they’re not exactly friendly to those who aren’t in their in group. They are aggressive, angry and prone to silencing those who don’t agree with their world view. This also applies to anime cons and other events where they dress up as Aerith of Final Fantasy VII fame, and act like immature highschool kids. And these are people aged 30 and older. Kids should stay away from these people, so having this guest speak out is very important for anyone wishing to attend one of these events.
I stopped cosplaying due to people like that. I was late 20s and my cosplaying peers were choosing to use it as an escape and act like immature brats! No respect for the hobby, the fandom, nor each other... just a flavor sauce selfie and/or recording something in costume for the hub later. I don't think it's that more of us are autistic and whatnot, we're just as a generation more immature. It's also far more accessible to everyone... and that includes people with lower standards. And sure, there are more people today than there were in the 90s, but percentage wise the amount of mental impairments hasn't really changed, society is just far more open and accepting of childish behavior in public from everyone... and those of us who would stand up against it have done so by avoiding it rather than getting slandered and cancelled for having outdated ideals of conduct.
Yes yes and yes!! What good times they used to be. Omg the Aerith fans. Its been a long time since I've met one that hasn't adapted their own "oc" personality and storyline for her and ignored her original characteristics. Thank you so much for saying so!!
I personally love cosplaying as an adult (when I have the time and cash), but I don’t interact with children when their parents aren’t present. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with adults cosplaying per se. But there is a risk for pdf files to enter that space. Great convo Buck!
It gets worse. There was adults who would try to coordinate "group rooms" at cons too. I remember 20-25 year olds volunteering to house 13-12-16 year olds...
Smart young lady! Thanks for having her on. So glad your channel is growing so quickly. If you are getting pushed by UA-cam, then you are doing something right. I don’t understand why people with more traditional viewpoints (for lack of a better term- non-woke… you know what I mean). I live in an upper middle class, primarily white area now after moving from an area that was very mixed. We have lots of girls playing at the idea of being trans… it occurs here so often. In the Bay Area, it was also exclusively white girls who were doing this. The Silicon Valley is full of high-tech, engineering parents. You did not see the Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Hispanic, Korean, etc. girls claiming to be trans.
I would 100% be on that channel for girls. I am SO grateful that I had the parents I did. I am so grateful for my peers and the time I grew up in. I'm grateful for growing up in the late 80s thru the 90s and turning 21 in 2002. These trans conversations speak to me so intensely because I remember how vulnerable I was, and had a certain degree of being really uncomfortable with my femininity. I think about how, if this trend was in when I was growing up, shit. I very well could have been swept up in it and ended up waaaay more fucked up than I was. I am grateful that I had an opportunity to grow to genuinely know and love myself, and to have been given the TIME to do so. I know my worth, I know how to hold a job and basically take care of myself - and am happy to learn and change and grow. I'm so glad there are people, like you Buck, and Blaire and Marcus and Arielle, who advocating for JUST being you and calling out this DANGEROUS cultural behavior. We are robbing an entire group of young people of the TIME it takes to get to know one's self. They should be allowed to make mistakes that are not permanent before making an irreversible change.
I was in cosplay community and saw alot what she said. I used cosplay as both male and female. I just enjoyed play the character and seeing the joy on people face when they see their favorite character.
Yeah I've had low-level gender dysphoria that I realise was from childhood trauma and probably seeing my brothers get more attention and freedom. If I'd been born 10 years later, I can definitely see myself falling into a lot of this, along with the rest of my mental illness. I've learned so much about my disorders and the importance of childhood experiences over the past couple years since finally getting at least one accurate diagnosis. It's hard though, when a lot of mental health professionals are only looking for obvious surface level stuff and don't have the time or interest to actually work out what's wrong, it means you spend a lot of time without decent guidance and I guess these sorta groups help people find answers that feel like they're helping even if it's only a band-aid. We don't have a great mental health culture here in Australia. It's all awareness rather than meaningful action.
As someone who never lived in a time where furries were not associated with fetishes, I LOVE that you brought Lizzy on, Buck. This has definetly opened my mind more to people within the fandom and how it isn't always a fetish thing. I genuinely thought it was. It makes A LOT of sense that it was a small portion that turned the community into something it's not. Most real cosplayers and furries just want to show off their hard work and it shouldn't be associated with fetish. I will say though, people still can't identify as animals.... i think they're seperate things though
I too bailed on the cosplay space… when convention panels started focusing on people talking about their genitals and antidepressants rather than the craft of making a costumes. It breaks my heart as I really loved crafting pieces and competitions for cosplay. Even the topics just got away from just enjoying anime and felt more Like a political protest and even the contest felt like oppression Olympics.
Buck, you know I love you. Thank you for bringing on amazing people like this young woman. Lizzy it's amazing that you have the special call and you are reaching out and no matter how demanding and tiring it gets you're still going to do it. You're going to help so many people in your lifetime you are a gift from God
I was in the BDMS community and this younger generation with all their crazy shit made it toxic as hell you used to be able to joke around with each other and now anything you say is offensive. If you don't believe what somebody believes in they try to destroy you and run you out of the community.
Thanks, Lizzie. Sometimes it helps to stand a little outside of yourself to get perspective on who you really are. A sense of humour is a great tool for this. If you can't laugh at yourself that may be a warning sign.
GUYS! I’ve just noticed something! The bloomin “Trevor project” ad isn’t on this video, and many others that I’ve seen recently 🤩 could this mean that the tide is turning?? Oh I do hope so 🙏
This just reminds me of a lot of recent discourse in the anime community in regards to a few characters mostly a character named Yamato from one piece. Now if you google her you will be bombarded with misinformation claiming she’s a trans character she’s not and her creator has said she’s not because he does write trans characters but Yamato is obsessed with a dead man named Oden and wants to be him so she cosplays and refers to herself as oden.
oh yeah, I've never watched One Piece but I did come across what you mentioned on instagram. The post was something like, extolling the virtues of the one piece cast for respecting a non-passing transman, while a good number of the comments were saying exactly what you just said - she's just an obsessed fan. I think most, if not all, of the people saying she's trans are probably themselves just creepy fujoshi he/him/theys who see themselves in her. 🤷♀
@@user-et6xw6fu1q they’re confused children sometimes adult children that were never told no and got indoctrinated by other adult children into thinking they’re trans when they’re not.
When I was 13, I got scared of my big breasts growing and I was thinking about getting a reduction at that age even, but I never thought I was being a boy for not liking my boobs. Eventually I got a ED short after that and they shrunk and now they're normal sized, I always loved being a woman and the social contagion I partook in was the emo shit.
Hey, Buck. I've been in the nerdy/anime/furry subcultural overlap since I was a kid. 30's now. I don't mind offering some insight as well because I have some insights from fandom culture that..make some things very complicated, moreso with the furry fandom. I'm trying to speed run some shit here, so forgive me. It's frustrated me that when I've tried to bring this up to conservative people (more often than not, but liberal too), it tends to get brushed under the rug or downplayed. It's a hobby for me, and I volunteer with my local communities. With my chief charity I work with, everyone has to go through a background check because of the nature of our work with children. The furry fandom was sort of a byproduct of sci-fi cons from way back when. Lizzy is correct here. It's funny, because the two people who are credited as being the "grandpas" of the furry fandom introduced anime to the US. They were working as animators in Disney during the early 80's, if I remember correctly. They were gay men who were married until recently when one of them passed away due to cancer complications. Furry cons way back in the day during the 80's were initially adult spaces with gay/bi men, some of them having an overlap with the BDSM community (bears, for example). It started from artist jams, to room parties and eventually conventions. Sometimes sexual things would come up purely because of the fact that adult topics were being discussed in the comics that was being produced--not sexual, per se, but mature topics. And what did adults do when they're at hotels for any given thing--not just furry? Have sex. Kink tended to be out in the open because it was for adults at some of the cons. There's footage of a person dressed up as a mouse dominatrix floating around from an earlier time at a convention called Confurence engaging in kink. But that was designated as a kink event in a panel where that was appropriate, if I rightly recall. It was getting so bad that we had "movements" to try and deal with it and self-police/self-regulate from within. The Burned Fur Movement is one of them, and this happened around the heyday of the AIDS epidemic; people were getting so fed up with the sexual stuff running over the people who wanted nothing to do it that and were getting ostracized because of the nonsense in the fandom. The problem with the Burned Fur Movement was, while they were being right saying "hey, guys, keep the kink away where it belongs", the main headers for that movement became genuinely homophobic (real homophobia, not "I disagree with you" homophobia). We've had waves of the BFM to some lesser extent, like the Peace Furs Movement. 2013 was the year a lot of "academics" and "activists" really began to sink their teeth into fandom culture. Broadly speaking, in many fandoms, it was taboo to bring up politics because that's what fandom (not just the furry fandom) was for: an escape from that kind of thing. Identity politics and whatnot had been around in some small measure, but gatekeeping did take place to filter out some of it. Id-pol became the battering ram, however. Nerdy fandoms by and large haven't been the same since. Queer activism has completely taken over fandoms. I remember wanting to transition because the queer "activists and allies" had me feeling so guilty for my bisexuality. I was an adult when I was hit with it. And I struggled with it in my late adulthood until recently..about 3 years ago. We're starting to see this in the mermaiding hobby/subculture as well, too. There's....a lot more I can say on this topic, because it bleeds into so many different facets. Like old 2000's internet culture. Shit is a wild ride, yo.
There's a lot to unpack here because you just posted a treasure trove of information. Buck here will enjoy what you said. This has obviously been going around for a pretty long time.
Thanks for your comment, this was a very interesting read! I watched a documentary about furries called The Fandom (which is on youtube if you're interested) and it also mentions a lot of the stuff you talked about, i.e. the fetishization, the burned fur movement, etc. The one good thing I can say is that this TQ+ scene is starting to lose steam, even within fandom spaces (albeit very slowly but still, small progress is good progress). It's really starting to become uncool, and the best us normal fans can do, I think, is to just continue being fans while also conducting ourselves properly in public and just being regular LGBT people. I too am bisexual, but I'm not going to make it my whole life, and I like to think there's other LGBT weebs/furries/whatever who feel the same way and are bolstered when they see people like ourselves just being normal and not-weird while also enjoying our fandoms.
@@KratostheThird There's a lot here that I haven't even touched. Some of it is "soft history" between both the furry and anime fandoms that I only know from other documentaries; fandom elders who were around back then could definitely fill in the gaps. Edit: When I mean "soft history", I mean the kind of history you might hear from people way back then and doesn't have a lot of documentation. Sorry, thought I should clarify.
@@user-et6xw6fu1q There's several documentaries like the one Ash Coyote and Down The Rabbit Hole made as well. In fact, I'm pretty sure there was someone in Ash's documentary that said they wanted more politics in the fandom....which goes to show you what kind of people come into fandoms when they aren't gatekept. We are starting to see things tilt towards the other side of the pendulum. There's weebs and furrys who truly do want to be left alone, can distinguish fiction from reality and can at least keep their kinks in appropriate legal spaces. One Fur All is an example of what's happening on the other side of the pendulum. It's a furry convention that puts more emphasis on..I suppose what's the more conservative side of US politics? I don't know if I can call it extreme, because it's relatively small and doesn't seem to be catching too much attention. Probably best to consider it "mid". It's a symptom of a larger issue; I wager that if a lot of queer activists and some of the larger cultural shifts (like critical race theory) hadn't started to take root in the fandom, OFA wouldn't have been created. I seem to recall there was some impropriety accusations among the staff of that con, but I'm not certain. Maybe Lagovert might have some information on that. The most extreme example of political nonsense in the furry fandom I can think of was the Furry Raiders Vs Antifur(Antifa Furrys). They had feud so badly the Hatfields and the McCoys would blush. It was one of the reasons a con had to pump the brakes that year because there was a fear of safety for regular con attendants.
@@Dinker27 It’s pretty obvious things swung hard to the left over these last several years. Our administration dictates where the pendulum is going to swing. I’m a Libertarian/Moderate at heart. I don’t advocate for either far side because that’s when things become unstable. I want balance and I want regular people to feel welcome and accustomed to.
finally someone made a video talking about the correlation between queerness and trans identity, thank you buck! as a cosplayer I can confirm this is true!
My partner was just mentioning the other day about a mannequin factory in Call of Duty. As soon as you talked about the mannequin dreams I had to run and tell him about it cause so many of the topics you speak about I can see subtly ( and not subtly) bleeding into this game, there’s no way this isn’t subconsciously conditioning younger gamers 😟
Thank you Buck for your time and help with this subject matter your Awesome kindness for people to understand what is going on with the children and I appreciate you I'm 70yrs now I'm straight woman and you give me some useful information about what happening tks Buck ❤😊
(sorry for how long this comment is going to be, but I really want to talk about this, and I'm so happy you are bringing it up.) I would love to help you if you do want to explore this topic. It's weighing on me so much lately. I love cosplay (you can probably guess from my name and channel) but the community is getting uncomfortable recently. Fandom has always been a haven for people who are kind of weird and don't fit in, or have niche interests. Nerds, you know? But recently I think there is an activist element that injects gender into everything, and it's discouraging. It's inescapable and frankly it's exhausting. What is causing me the most anguish, personally, is that I am an art teacher and I actually run an after school cosplay club. I don't know how much longer I can do so in good conscience, even though it's just supposed to be about learning skills and making friends. This is middle school, and a lot of kids who identify as trans and non-binary gravitated to the club. I'm fine with that, and we mostly focus on learning how to make costumes, but it's getting harder and harder to keep that the focus. All the kids want to talk about is gender and furries and what it means to be a therian (identifies as an animal). I am legally required to affirm everything they say about their identities (even though I subtly avoid the topic when possible), and I feel like I'm just creating an environment where more kids are falling into a social contagion. It breaks my heart because I really love seeing kids learn hands-on skills and feel pride and accomplishment when they create something new. That's what cosplay is supposed to be about. I also backed out of submitting a panel for an upcoming convention about what parents of cosplayers need to know, because I don't even know what to tell them anymore, except be careful. I did a similar panel 9 years ago in simpler times, and it was things like helping your kid with planning and budgeting, being there for them if they get frustrated, being involved with what they're watching and having conversations about if it's appropriate to wear at their age, and helping them be aware of stranger danger and setting boundaries when it comes to conventions and taking pictures. Now, I don't even think those cautions are enough, and that makes me really sad. I think there's absolutely a way for cosplayers of all ages to safely interact, and I do think most comic-cons (not necessarily all anime cons and definitely not most furry cons) are family events. I don't want that to change and I think something needs to be done. I want to fight for the art form I'm passionate about, but I'm also painfully aware that fandom spaces are the most cancel-culture places around, and I stand to lose all my friends and the ability to engage in the hobby at all if I bring it up. To me cosplay is a fun hobby where you are always learning something new, and I wish I didn't have to have misgivings about welcoming others into it.
I’m a bit older than Lizzie here and I can tell you that up until 2014 - 2016, none of this nonsense affected the fandoms. Con events were about connection and having fun. Adult spaces were sharing edgy jokes not appropriate for minors. I was also part of some groups on DeviantArt back when more people cared about it. It introduced me to furry fandom. And as you can imagine, we were nerds, part of a niche that didn’t fit in with more traditional, regular people. I truly think that influence coming from the internet has spilled into the real world. I cannot be honest in many fandom places because I will be canceled and handed a bunch of insults that I can’t go into detail here. I wish you the best in your endeavors.
@@KratostheThird it was definitly happening before that in some of them. Anime North had an entire hotel floor dedicated to LGBT and because they were sectioned off they got wild faster than the rest of the community. And the poor DND merch tables were shoved into the LGBT building instead of the regular dealers room, so if you wanted a better collection of modules and dice you had to endure that. 2009 was when I started really seeing it get rediculous at both Fanexpo and Anime North. But perhaps the Canadians got freaky earlier. 😅
@@KratostheThird plus 2009-2011 was when they were struggling with banning the Yaoi paddles and the bum smacking was happening in the parking lot of the congress center that was accross the road from the Yaoi hotel.
@@KratostheThird plus plus people were walking around their boyfriends around with leashes in fetish gear like everywhere since I started going at 15. My aunt was there and we cracked jokes about it the entire ride home.
The sexual drive is very strong only second to the drive of a mother to protect her infant. When sex goes wrong it goes badly wrong. When people can't be naked and vulnerable with each other, when they put a fantasy between each other it becomes merely a physical itch to be scratched and then the true jewel is lost. More and more "new and exciting" is needed to gain any kind of weak satisfaction; more and more of the forbiden must be sought. True sexual encounter has nothing between, no excitment but the reward is true contact. Absolute vulnerability leads to a forgetting of "self "in the "other". Result? Tears, love, respect, adoration. In this moment there is neither man nor woman, just unconditional love. This most precious human state is being ruined by lustful insanity. Thankyou both for trying to find a way to help young innocent people.
These young people grew up with their head in their phones. Kids use to go out and play with other kids. Now they sit there and texted each other at the same table. They don't know how to socialize. They grew up playing these video games and you are right these stories can be really in depth. A lot of these kids were never told "no" and participation trophies are a bad idea. Not everyone in life is a winner. The younger generation can't stand to be "less than". Life isn't like that. There are winner and losers. Sometimes you are the winner sometimes the loser and that is okay.
You're totally right! Even in the 90s and 2000s it started being too glued to the tube. My friends were boring. All they did was sit on their couch playing or on MSN messenger being little gossipy jerks. I LOVED my games. But i always got my fill and wanted to go outside. I typically played more in the winter when it was too blizzardy outside. Or on rainy days. Or for 20 minutes here and there. I always wanted the games to last longer. And i felt if I played them too long, i would forget important parts of the story that I needed for puzzles or responses or directions later. So it never made sense to me to play too long.
When I was a freshman in highschool (14-15 y.o) I attended an anime convention and I had a great time but in hindsight now, there were people selling fetish gear, there were probably an equal amount of furries to people dressed in anime costumes/attire, and EVERYONE had sexuality pins and things to indicate things about themselves sexually and what/who they were into. Someone asked me to call them a $lut and step on them (I was dressed as a male character) This con after a certain time in the evening became "adults only" and then all of that stuff would make more sense, just it was openly presented during the day to minors as well. My friend group at the time were either all gay/nonbinary/trans and were into the new age spiritualism/neopaganism as well and we were doing alot of "shadow work" This is a great video and I've never gotten to hear anyone talk about this before! Keep up the good work!😁
Omg I forgot about the "step on me im a slut" thing. I had people say that to me at least twice. And over heard it constantly when we were sitting in the grass! Thanks so much!
Okay, I've watched the whole thing. This was pretty damned good. Thank you both for doing it. I think we'd all have seen the darkest sides of Mister Rogers if he was alive today. He'd be pissing fire onto these people.
Hey Buck, gay furry here. The furry community can be sexual at times, for some people it's all just cosplay, fun characters, and self expression, but for a lot of people, myself included, it does have a sexual aspect to it as well. This includes lewd art of 'persona' characters, enjoying anthro lewd art, and also sexual expression as your fursona character. The furry community is so vast you can find lots of kinds of people, and it's not always sexual. But given how sex positive the furry community is, and it's high LGBTQ percentage, we have to be honest how it is presented. In my opinion furries, on their own, doing their own thing is likely not a fetish thing and they are just vibing. But your guest is right, these events are also very sexual in the evenings with raves, orgies, and fetish gear in full display. As such I think there needs to be very strict policies and policing of dress code during convention "public" hours, so if kids and minors are around, there isn't anything weird going on or for them to see. The shopping areas in conventions also need to be more divided into 18+ areas with even PG-13 levels of sexual stuff sectioned off out of the main areas so people have to consent to that to see it, especially children. There's so much more we could do better, and a lot of us want to make it an inclusive space, even if we do find a wolf man in latex a sexy concept. We know it has a good deal of sexual content and that's why we don't want kids around! Most conventions have "after hours" events where fetish gear sans nudity is allowed and encouraged. It's honestly a great time reserved for adults. As a gay man it's a good time for me and to be more lewd. Most fursuiters say they never go in public with their fursuit they have sex in, but given the cost of the suits I'm dubious about that. 18+ pure and simple makes it so much easier and safer for everyone, but most people think that would be like saying furry is only a fetish, instead of a nonsexual hobby that sometimes is sexual.
Thank you for this comment, my friend! The insight is appreciated. It's good to know there are people like you in that community who can represent the good parts of it and the desire to protect kids!
@@BuckAngelOfficial That all the LGBT community needs is honesty and respect for nuance! Just because our flag is a rainbow doesn't mean it's all sunshine and rainbows! Discussing the difficult and complex parts of every community is necessary because harm can come from either within or outside the community. Ignoring the negative things inside the community serves no one and lets things go unchecked and everyone ends up in the crossfire. We really suffer from toxic positivity.
its not sexual at all for me, so its kind of crazy to hear people criticizing me for 'sexualising animals' when im just wearing a costume. nothing against the sexual side (minus the 'cub' stuff), its just not for me
@@narwhalocean791 Hey there's nothing wrong with that, for some people it's just a fun hobby. Kinks usually only have so many people that share it. And with furries it is the beast elements along with a humanoid body that adds that extra level of spice. It tickles people's brain in the right spot for some reason, kind of like how some people are into feet. In general too, furry art is usually super high quality which elevates it above other lewd material. But not all of it is lewd, and it's important to recognize that and it shouldn't be seen like that by default.
Buck: how can you be a she/they!? A question that I be asking all of the time Buck. They truly have no hobbies or anything else better to do other than obsess over being an angry entitled fake hermaphrodite because it's the new trend. It's considered the new prep,goth, punk, and emo and it's ALL they think about! It's ALL they base their personality on and it's exhausting! No matter how contradictory or nonsensory it is they will still stand by it as a means to desperately feel validated. It's sad how it's bleeding into every single community now because my boyfriend and I are hardcore anime fans and I adore cosplaying for fun. Now that the rainbow mafia(not you Buck I mean the unhinged ones you and Blaire White call out) have infiltrated these groups and sucked the fun out of everything it makes me not want to attend them anymore. Even just making healthy normal female friendships is difficult now because it's ALL you see x.x I tried joining a cosplay group at my artschool and I think I was the only heterosexual girly female there that wasn't hyper obsessed with their sexuality and gender. It was exhausting to be around and having to juggle so many absurd pronouns. I'm sorry for the long rant but just hearing you and the young lady calling this mess out really made my day. It lets me know I'm not crazy for thinking "this is too much!"
ive noticed such a huge uptick in people, especially trans women, wearing fetish clothing at conventions. its so disturbing that its become incredibly normalized and accepted in the space
This is exactly the argument I was making a few hours ago in the comments here. Even without children around, it's still very disturbing, not to mention ugly.
@KratostheThird seriously. I've seen some of the most shocking degenerate behavior at conventions. I've attended a drag show at a con that was advertised as family friendly, where a queen shoved his breast chest plate into a minors face. I don't know how we got here
I’m a spiritual but also religious person myself. I hold a personal study, discipline, and practice for meditation, tarot, as well as multiple religious studies, with my personal main path in Hinduism, while still incorporating those other outlier practices of tarot and divination. It’s insane that people will do shadow work without the necessary teacher or guide, like a therapist or an authentic spiritual teacher or guru. It’s all too easy to get lost if you are not willing to be self-critical and incisively cutting and analytical about your subjective experiences. If you’re too invested in emotionality, then it’s all too easy to get in an ego trap of “whatever feels good”.
Everything you said is true. And for that I left cosplay, even the gothic clothing style, I left everything to avoid being with this world. It destroyed my adolescence And if I could go back in time I would have said no to everyone, avoided going to cosplay conventions, shops etc. it was horrible and disgusting
You were young. That’s the thing. Young impressionable minds who aren’t adults yet are getting warped by this garbage. I had friends back in the 2000’s who enjoyed these fandoms. Back then, revealing content was usually behind the SFW category. The problem is these people have invaded my hobbies of gaming and tabletop D&D. I was young too back then, but now in my late 30’s I can reflect on my youth to see what I did wrong and where I did right.
I love the idea of making a space for girls to embrace both the feminine and masculine parts of themselves. I have come to love me even though I have a distinct masculine energy to me it does not diminish my femininity, but I have had decades to figure it out and grew up without the nonbinary influence.. make it cool just to be you- without needing a label
I love all the New Color affects...from within your set .and the changing colors going on around the 🪟 framing here from UA-cam channel..💚🤎💜❤️🎉Thank You Buck and to your guest speaker So comforting to know and hear There are still well adjusted intelligent people out there using their voices bcuz you care ! Gives a sense of hope in this world. THE WORK YOU DO BRAVERY putting yourselves out there facing all those challenges 😇🙏 giving of yourselves 😘
These ppl who report on you need to realize that if they have "free speech", you also have free speech. If somone wants respect they need to show respect.
Why are they trying to shut you down? I’m a conservative, not that that has anything to do with anything, and I love your show ❤ I learn a lot here on your platform! One of my faves😊
I'm another former frequent con goer that has seen how the convention space has changed over the years, so I get this. There's so much overlap with this "trans" space with anime conventions now that I hardly interact with people at the few I still go to now. I wonder if I've ever crossed paths with Lizzie at Anime North in the past.
Maybe! I was involved with a few different groups theough years. Been going since 2006. We had a Cosplay Group called RE:animate cosplay that did alright for a while. :)
@@lizziegirl5124 I haven't been since 2019 since I'm from the US and border crossing during the COVID diedown years was still pretty messed up for a bit. Maybe I'll try to visit next year as I haven't even been in Canada since 2019 at all even though I live extremely close to the border lol. I got into the doll hobby so the last few times I went, I spent more time doing Doll North things than anything else at the rest of the con. Before that I spent a lot of time people watching and taking photos since Anime North usually had solid cosplay quality.
@@rensuchan doll North was cool! But I wasn't in the there much. I loved the little designs so much love went into those dolls. That would be cool. I'm not sure when or if I'll be back 🤔
Puberty is already scary enough for girls. When you add SA on top of that, it's very easy to imagine them wanting to avoid it all and make sure it never happens again. I've heard obese people admit that they got fat because they didn't want to be seen as attractive after a history of SA.
Late comment to this video, love what you do Buck, this is true for the convention scene for anime. I use to go them frequently and stopped going, because this isn't the same conventions i use to go to when it use to be about the love of the fandom, and seeing your favorite characters come to life. Alot of the groups that have formed tend to be clicky and have the same identities. Saying there trans and non-binary. Anyone who will speak up to them is labeled as the "community" tends to do. Hearing the theory trafficking doesn't surprise me because the most disgusting thing I've seen at cons is there are minors that do dress scantily as characters and it just opens the door as stated for predators. It breaks my heart seeing something I love being brought into trending and in alot of cases ive seen most these people aren't even fans and want the attention and gratification.
I live in pittsburgh which is where the largest furrie convention is held every summer. I have to say there is this feeling of the city holding their breath that whole weekend...both because of the tension of not wanting to do something wrong and because of the actual body odor in the air. The general vibe is not good. Some hotels have even started not accepting furries because of the nightmare it is for their housekeeping staff...like needing to clean kitty litter and actual human shit out of bathtubs.
YES! Same with the BRONY My Little Lony community. I’ve seen it coming a mile away that anime and hentai and yaoi have changed people in a certain way and that women would cosplay as yaoi couples and such and then I saw some transitioning and look like they’re just cosplaying still. Weird.
I had to block one of my old Brony friends when I shared this Interview because he lost his shit. I just don't understand why you can't like something without your brain falling out. 😅
@@lizziegirl5124WOW! Wait i haven’t watched this whole thing quite yet. I preemptively wrote the comment lol What did your friend say?? Also, if you’re interested i have a whole video of my experiences in the brony community on my page if you’re interested! Were you ever part of the community or around it?
@@cosmickilroy He saw the click bait on the thumbnail and word vomitted about how it better not be transphobic and when i told him he should have read my description mentioning that it was click bait he went on a rant about how he didnt have time to read it and didnt want to get involved in drama. Whilst started it and wasting his precious time haha. Sure I'll take a look sometime! Honestly i had friends in every group there wasnt really one i was specifically involved in. We were a gang of misfits that eventually just started accusing each other of some wild things so i yeeted myself out of there. Some stuck but i knew this interview would make or break a few relationships that were left.
The amount of times people at conventions came up to me and started a convo with “what are your pronouns” not “hey how’s your con experience going so far” or a hi is mental.
God, I hate this. I was a con newbie and in 2019 this woke shit was just starting. I have alopecia, which means I'm totally bald. I've been deliberately misgendered as a kid and now people come up to me and misgender me deliberately or tell me they're envious my body "naturally rejects gender norms" and it pisses me off, because I have body dysphoria but it's a different kind. I hate being other, I hate being different, I don't wear a wig because I know it's a lie and I'm not a liar. I just hate that this shit has taken over. I remember the last con I went to, I was with a group and any time someone started to say something to me of that ilk, they'd do the "creep block" around me and box me in so I had 6 people guarding me on either side, 5 being big burly guys and one being my amazing friend Nadia. God bless her.
@@EeveelutionStorm oh my god dude that's so awful for people to say to you. honestly it reminds me of how the woke army often self diagnose themselves with complex disorders only to make real people with the disorders feel incredibly uncomfortable, misunderstood and othered. i.e. gender dysphoria, DID, Tourette's, OCD and many others. its good that you have friends to keep you literally shielded from those weirdos. I hope that the convention was somewhat enjoyable despite hiccups!
@@MistressUndead Oh it absolutely reminds me of the type. I lost a few friends to those pipelines of self diagnosis/gender pronouns over the years and it never stopped sucking. Luckily, the rest of the con was phenomenal and I got to meet my favorite VA Yuri Lowenthal and my friend actually pretended to be my bestie who couldn't attend the con so she got her a signature for a guy she wasnt' even a fan of. 2019 was a hard year for me, but luckily I had people at my side and besides the few hiccups, the con was great. My friends also did this, when people would try to pressure me into buying merch I didn't want. lol
9:00 Speaking of sentient mannequin horror flick, Love Object was a great movie that just resurfaced in my memory. But a dream like that sounds terrifying.
11:45 “energy vampires” Omg I love this woman. Brilliant. She is absolutely right that when you have these people who are spiraling out of control in an identity crisis, getting “affirmation” in their delusion of being neither male nor female (or both?) is the only thing giving them that dopamine hit at this point. I can’t imagine anything more depressing than having your entire life and identity wrapped around people affirming a lie. And they all seem miserable.
I, personally, grew up knowing I was about to get my period at some point in my life and when it had happened to me at the age of exactly twelve and three months, was Not freaking about that AT ALL. I just calmly told my mother that I had gotten my period and that I wanted to get some tampons. I shared my experience with my mother right away and she said that she had had her first period at that age as well, that is 12 years of age. When my breasts began to grow, yet again I felt like that was the most natural thing to happen to me since I was a girl and not a boy in my mind. I'm a cisgender woman, always has been and always will be. I grew up watching all the women in my life having breasts, some of them having actually huge breasts and when my began to appear, I instinctively knew that was natural and normal for a girl my age. I was nearly twelve at the time. I was always comfortable with my breasts, even at the early age of twelve. I wasn't That sexualised during my teenage years, maybe because all of my energy went to my hobbies and to my studies and I did study a whole lot during my teenage years that I didn't really have the energy to focus on my sexuality. Not until the age of 19 or 20, anyway. I always thought that having my period every month was alright. What wasn't alright with me were the extreme menstrual pains that I had. That was NOT ok with me , so I went to see my physian to talk about that. Even went to the gynecologist to talk about that. But the issue was never the pure fact that I had my period at all. I grew up with the mindset that I was a female and that all of these things were totally normal for me, even as young as 11 years old.
Its frustrating for me because i have been a furry since i was 12 and i went to a con recently and 18+ dressing atire was worn at 3pm when i went when kids were there and i am a non 18+ furry and it gave me the ick.Thankfully P's and zoos are banned and shunned from the con thank goodness.But at anime cons where they don't know that some of those furrys are that don't know so they have not banned them so i don't go to anime cons anymore.From what i know about the furry fandom is that we do ALLOT of charity auctions at our cons for animal sanctuary's ,struggling shelters ect. I met such amazing kind people and a community full of artists and creators which i enjoy.
The constant beeping in the background of this video was about enough to drive me nuts, I still watched the whole thing, fighting against the looming insanity! Please get rid of whatever made that maddening noise and burn it! Otherwise keep up the great work Buck. Keep fighting for the kids.
as i furry (who's not part of the sexual side) its totally understandable to just assume the whole community is a fetish fest. its there, itll always be there.
Showing girls now that girls can be masculine or feminine is a great Idea. Sharing the puberty stories Sharing the good bad and UGLY of that time is a good thing! I mean I was a tomboy and didn't like my boob's tell I was older. Now I live in leggings n t-shirts but love the rare times when I get dressed up but still am not a huge dress or skirt girl more of a jeans and a dress top
I agree with the whole ally situation. I was a part of the LGBT community but when stuff got pushed onto us I had to leave. I'll accept if you transition or come out as non-binary. I'll even accept calling someone they/them. The major issue is forcing people to accept ideas we dont support or are confused. All we do is become closed and distant and they force us to accept neopronouns and kids should transition. I'm also so confused because consent was being pushed so heavily by the far-left but they are the guys who seem to ignore consent.
Agreeing except for the psychic topic. I think it can be explained through perceptual abnormalities and belief perpetuating/confirming mechanisms. That is to say that people who believe they are psychic really DO feel bodily/mental sensations that others don’t feel but that those sensations are explained psychological phenomena. It’s complicated.
Being on a spectrum also means being allowed to change, daily, or over time no one knows everything when they are born. We all grow older and have experiences that lead to wisdom by traversing human growth phases. Wisdom is a spectrum of learning and growing.
Hey, friends! Thanks so much for watching and thanks so much to my wonderful insightful guest Lizzie for taking the time to talk with me today. I hope you enjoy this interview! ❤
It's always a good day when you appear in the notifications!!
What's the beeping sound lol
@@cherylmillard2067I Agree!!!
I AD❤RE Buck Angel🤩
Lizzie is such a calming and grounded person. This interview was full of common sense and enjoyable to watch.
@@Anne_Onymousmy stupid laptop. Haha
I've been a geek since the 90s and currently run an anime group, and even conduct panels at cons. I've seen firsthand how this scene has begun in, and eventually taken over, fandom spaces. I've been waiting for this conversation for a very long time, so thank you Buck for finally addressing the elephant in the room! I'll happily share my insight if you'd like!
Wow interesting thanks so much for watching and for the comment my friend
Thanks for sharing your input.
I seriously had no clue this group was part of LGBTQia++ community!
I thought they were really “gamer conventions”! Shame on me!
Same here, older millennial. I do still cosplay, but I avoid the younger ones with the trans flags and the pronoun pins like the plague. I keep it oldschool and hang with people my age who still go for the fun times. Make your own costume and all that. I feel like Tiktok and cheap cosplay/anime/merch websites from China are ruining a lot..
Yes, I never knew! Why aren't more ppl bringing this up?
Why do we keep pathologising normal puberty? Hormonal swings are normal, mood swings are normal, identity confusion - perfectly normal. These kids are not trans or non-binary or anything else. They are just teenagers!
If you had met me as a young child, you'd think I was trans by today's standards. I thought I was going to grow an 🍆. I was around a lot of men and boys. They weren't creepy with me, but I was jealous of how they urinated. I was such a tomboy. If in 1972 it was fashionable for parents to make their kids trans, I would have been on puberty blockers, and my life would have been destroyed. As an adult, yes I'm a lesbian, but very feminine leaning to androgynous. I don't want to be a man. I love being a lesbian and a biological woman. Thank G_d I'm old 😅
Stupid Mkultra teens.
Absolutely but if you say that then you are accused of being homophobic or transphobic.
As a 37 yo straight male - who felt so different has a teen I thought maybe I was born with both sexes and my parents chose to make me a boy instead of a girl for a while - I 100% agree
On top of that, I think that especially a lot of girls get a rude awakening when they hit puberty. Not only do you have all the identity / not comfortable in your own body / hormonal stuff that every kid will go through, A LOT of girls start to get sexualized by the people around them almost immediately upon starting to grow hips or boobs (or even before). Not necessarily inappropriate physical contact, just weird comments from the adults around them that will make them very uncomfortable.
If they see their male peers NOT going through that (or at least perceive that to be the case) and then you dangle the idea of being trans in front of them, of course they would want to be a boy! That is to say, it's not about "I feel like a boy" it's "I don't like being a girl", which is not what being transsexual is -- but it is apparently being trans nowadays.
Hell, I went through a phase where I wore all boys clothes and oversized stuff and tried to hide my body for exactly those reasons. Twenty years later, I'm very happily a woman. Sometimes it really is "just a phase"!
I'm also an artist and a writer, and part-time I deal with adult furries (commissions.) I go to anime/comic cons and alternative pop ups as a vendor. You do... see things from the customer base (early 20s) and fellow vendors (25+). Not good things. I've also had customers come up to my booths and "identity dump" unsolicited. They are energy vampires. At 1-2 cons, there were adults (parent aged) with t-shirts offering hugs to trans/queer/gay kids. I understand people need physical affection, but it's weird. Very few other creatives know that I'm a middle-ground conservative. I found a welcoming group of creative friends several years ago, but had to leave because I got sick of how se4ual things were all the time and how blurred and line-crossing things had become, which was negatively affecting other friends around me who had squishier boundaries than me.
I’ve noticed this too. These customers who “identity dump” are disturbed mentally and I think we can both agree these are not people who should be around kids.
They are warping kids minds and eventually they will likely become overly depressed and faced with a lifetime of regrets.
That is not a path that is sustainable or good for humanity.
Holy Moly.
@@MugiHours I've been thrown the "racist" label for challenging their ideas.
I don't care if somebody is left leaning or right leaning, overall I'm a left leaning person. It's that these people that you and I experienced are too far to the Left, and their ideas I just cannot accept as good for society in the long run.
I can count on one hand the number of conservative artists I met. Leftist artists heavily outnumber conservatives and anyone who sees themselves as Centrist or Moderate.
@@KratostheThird I have always defined myself as leftist, but I am sick of all this woke sh1t that has nothing to do with real equality (not even reality!). It is just plain narcissistic manipulation
@@KratostheThirdI think they are too far gone, never mind too left leaning. As a leftie myself, this stuff is beyond a rational persons comprehension and completely disgusting.
What is the golden rule for cosplay? First and foremost, "cosplay is not consent" is the biggest rule to follow. Just because someone is dressed up as your favorite character, doesn't mean you can touch them or thier props without permission.
Right. I remember one person kept jumping me at con for cosplaying a character from trinity blood.
@@KendraMorgan-ob2frThere was a big thing last year where this one Deku cosplayer was chased around a con by a Baku cosplayer and it made them so uncomfortable.
Dude this video is so refreshing. I've been an artist and involved in the furry fandom since I was 13, I'm 31 now. When I was heavily involved back in 2016, furry was entirely intertwined with extremist leftism, trans appropriation, extremely dogmatic culture.
I've started drawing again and attempting to reintroduce myself on social media and in the online art world, but I cant actually express myself as an individual or my personal feelings whatsoever beyond posting art because it feels like the overwhelming majority of furries now are some flavor of trans. If I said anything I'd be cancelled, doxxed, blacklisted, whole twitter and etc posts about how I'm a dangerous person lol. It's insane.
I used to know people back in the 2000’s who were very passionate about the fandom, like you. I was a member of various fandoms, and none of it was political or revealing.
By 2016, these fandoms were overly political, not to mention too revealing.
The culture made me back away.
I grew up around the non-sexual kind of furry subculture, and I miss being able to draw furry art without people assuming it's a fetish.
Same
I was drawn in DeviantArt for this reason.
I had a friend in highschool who would draw us as wallaby’s. I think of her often wondering how she feels 15 years later with all this weirdness that has occurred
Same ❤
In the early 90's I had made a comic of a bunch of anthro teens in a metal band. Loved those characters but I wouldn't want them out there now. They were cute, innocent, and just wanted to party. How things have changed..
I’ve noticed this a lot. A ton of people who identify as non-binary will frequently dehumanise themselves. Some actually want to be called it/itself now. Some of them compare themselves to animals. The mannequin thing reminds me of this. Barely anyone in these spaces see an issue with it. It’s deeply concerning to me, especially since the others around them affirm it.
I'm a cosplayer, and I've seen things like this at a recent con i went to. Most of the "trans" ppl who go to these spaces are very rude, disrespectful, overly sexual, racist, and gatekeepers. Yet they want everyone to "validate their identity". Respect is earned not given babe
I don’t like the costumes they wear. They are too revealing and they set a very bad example for kids who might be exposed to them.
@KratostheThird I'm not gonna speak on what people wear. As long as they're of age. As far as children go, that's for the parents to explain. I'm mainly speaking about what goes on during some of the panels, after parties in the hotel rooms, and during the after parties at the con itself. The last one i attended, i had to kick a guest out of my room because they lied about their age and was drinking in my room, all the while trying to have sex in my room without my permission with someone who was 10+years their senior. And this person identified as trans/non binary.
@@ElisNUnderland I am inclined to agree with you, but exposure gets seen anyway.
I’m more concerned with how they’re influencing young people. This conversation between Buck and Lizzie really opens up to what is going on.
What started around 20 years ago or so has evolved into something more disturbing. I was around these events back then, so I can definitely say that things have changed.
@KratostheThird i do agree this has changed. I've been in the scene for a little over 13 years. The things we did back then weren't nearly as bad and lewd as it is now. My friends and i all have noticed that it's getting worse. Not just with the depraved activities, but we've noticed more of the younger ppl destroying the venue for the sake of content on social media, more racism among cosplayers, more of these orgies that happen in hotel rooms, more underaged activities (one con there were a ton of ppl around the age of 18 were drinking and smoking) and even ppl my age and younger (I'm 32) are drinking and getting way too drunk. Almost to the point of getting kicked out or downright banned from the event. Idk what we can do about this without hurting the ppl who actually follow the rules.
@@ElisNUnderland Agreed. I even made common talking points, after which they respond with hostility.
It’s why I have to back away from it.
I'm actually a furry and been in the fandom for quite some time. I joined because of my interest in 80s and 90s cartoons that had a lot of anthropomorphic characters. That included the kind of material that Disney used to have at the time. When I went to my first furry con in 2019, it wasn't that bad. But since COVID, it has just gotten worse. You have to walk around eggshells because you can't "misgender" or use the "wrong" pronoun because some people throw fits and everyone by default just refers to each other as "they/them." I'm OK with using the pronouns that transgender people want to use if they make the effort to look the part, but it gets so difficult when you see all these burly bearded men with flannel shirts with "She/Her" pins or name tags or women with makeup with "He/Him" pins. I've noticed that a large portion of non-binary people tend to be young artsy women. Lately I've been seeing all these people in pup hoods in broad daylight at hotel lobbies during cons and a growing number of pup and drag queen panels and events. I just wanted a simple innocent temporary fantasy to bring a smile to other people when I dress up, but it's getting kind of hard for me to fit in furry cons when this is all taking place.
THE GOTH/ALTERNATIVE COMMUNITY SPEAK UP NEXT👏🏻👏🏻
As a goth and emo/scene/punk girl who switches fashion styles sometimes, I think they/thems are ruining that communities too, it makes us look abd
I was active in the cosplay community for about 15 years. I know exactly what she's talking about, this is just the tip of the iceberg! It's crazy shit. I know at least 15 girls in my circle alone who became "transboys."
I've seen this on social media. They all start off as regular straight or gay girls before they call themselves trans men/non binary/gender fluid or whatever they make up. And you can see their life drain from their faces because they're so miserable and unhappy and everything triggers them.
I miss cosplaying, it used to be so fun back in the day! I went once as Raven from Teen Titans and once as Hanajima from Fruits Basket. As an introvert with health issues, anime/manga was my saving grace as a child. I’m really not happy at all what it has turned into, it’s so embarrassing! As a millennial I never saw any of this at conventions, my friend used to go as a Lolita with beautiful homemade dresses and that was considered the most crazy when we went.
I left the cosplay community at the start of all this. Not only the woke problems but the issue with how cosplay isn’t seen as a labour of love but rather a competition for likes and followers and cosplaying as the trendy characters and not ones you actually love or feel connected to.
Yes I agree! I used to practice for months to get poses and walks and even try to get my voice close enough.
I cosplayed Pegasus from Yugiou for so long its actually effected my own voice at times which is fine! I think its cool. but it makes people double take lol.
And honestly I never cared before if you bought your costume or not and people used to get into it regardless. But now if they get a seamstress friend they abuse them. Misunderstand how long things take, want extremely detailed outfits for pennies. It's so disrespectful.
Same for me too! I left the cosplay community two years ago and I used to make most of my cosplays by hand. I'm slowly getting back into it and realizing how fun they really are. I'm just staying away from the social media part. Like you said, people do it for the likes and follows and suck the fun out it.
Semi-obscure characters less attention, but seeing that handful of people who double take at you with a massive grin on their face is always so rewarding and those people usually want to have an actual conversation with you about the game itself!
It about elitist and can't cosplay certain characters cause people your being racist
I miss the days of Genshiken where Anime expos and conventions weren't as popular. People were passionate about cosplay and cosplayers were respected for the work they put into their outfits. Now it's like going to Las Vegas or some Theme Park where you have influencers paving the way like Mickey Mouse or Goofy at Disneyworld.
Im a cosplayer who happens to be bi and while ive only started to going to cons for a few years now, i was always into geek culture being one myself. I can definitely feel the shift just within my few years of actually going to cons: I have been asked my pronouns and gotten dirty looks for saying im a woman in response (ironically from other females most of the time), there were all kinds of neopronoun stickers at a con I went to last year, all kinds of odd behavior from mostly women and girls who are lost but put on a costume so they won't have to face their obvious issues and behavior. It's heartbreaking and in a space where you're supposed to have fun and be yourself becomes awfully tense. If it means anything, I would volunteer for a women and girls only app where non-conforming women can share their experiences with others. These things should be talked about rather than ignored, I've seen firsthand how toxic this stuff is.
Very sorry to hear you experienced this. I've been seeing this stuff more frequently now even outside of con events.
@KratostheThird I've experienced it outside of con events as well (im a young adult in the city) and going to cons was a way to unwind from all the real world bs. Though there were still people like this, I could still have a good time. Last year wasn't as fun since I began to notice the dirty looks, hostility, I've been "misgendered" on purpose just to fit their worldview (remember: women can't simply have masculine energy/be a tomboy so we must be "nonbinary"). I'm planning for more cons this year but last year's experience is still fresh on the mind.
If basic psychology 101 human development was taught in the 8th grade, instead of sex education, we wouldn’t have this problem.
A focus on development, trauma, trust, and archetypes is KEY.
Workshops devoted to discussing kids’ archetypes and what a neurosis is, with discussions on potential healthy, REAL characters as archetypes, would be revolutionary.
I think both are important. I memorized all the STD stuff and I stopped a lot of friends from sleeping around by just reminding them of what could happen.
This is Definitely what is Needed!!!
@@NiaLaLa_V That’s awesome!
Over diagnosis of behavioral disorders and the excuse making by people that leads to the acceptance of outlandish behaviors has led to more unacceptable action. Shaming, corrective refocusing and redirection of said behaviors need to be reintroduced. You can't just let people fly their freak flag and turn your head.
Buck! My god I love you! I’ve been saying this for years, very few people are really trans. All the rest are cosplaying. I’ve been trying to get the word out,and here it is,you’ve nailed it! The first time I’ve heard someone else say it.
Blaire has made some quick comments about it, so have Marcus and Arielle but they don't often go into it. I'm honoured to be a part of this!!
And ppl like to merge creeps with furry communities and other communities
@@lizziegirl5124 so great to hear. Guess I’m out of the loop. Lol being an old blonde white heterosexual. 😂 this whole thing is being played out for money. Once you can get the young impressionable minds to go along, you’ve created your cult. Sad,really sad.
@@clarks58 being a cult is the new designer handbag. Honestly so glad I learned about them early on and noticing it festering in the spiritual community. People want to be cult leaders and they fight over followers. Its nuuuuts.
@@lizziegirl5124 and if you’re a celebrity,the newest designer handbag is having a trans child,non binary child or anything ending in an ISM. So sad for these kids to be nothing more than an accessory.
My oldest son is 27. He came out as a transwoman last year. I was devastated. We don't have a relationship now. People online has him convinced. He lives with my parents now b/c his father did not want that lifestyle around our 2 younger kids. I tried REAL HARD to be there and accept this. I grieved the death of my son even though I was told my son never existed. He is brainwashed. As a kid he was the typical all boy. Peeing outside and all. Running around every summer without a shirt. There's a lot more of this story b/c he went to therapy and finally got a job while he was still claiming to be my son. He moved out. Was doing great. Then one day he came home to me and sat on my bed and told me he was trans and he wanted to be my daughter. I won't type it all here, but there's things that happened to him while he was moved out with 2 male room mates. I get jumbled up while typing, but I would love to talk about it.
I'm so sorry that happened. If you need to talk about it please talk to me if you can't get ahold of Buck. It's harder to get on his radar now and he doesn't mean to.
How would you feel if he was gay?
I am not an expert, but I am here if you wanna talk. (I socially transitioned for four years and then went back, it was a huge process for me and my family)
Sounds like she may just be trans as well. Maybe try to have some heart to hearts with your child and ask open questions without attacking (not saying you are, but it sounds like you aren’t open at all to this and may be getting snippy with your child causing her to close off)
Don't give up on your son, You need to be there for when or if he changes his mind. Ask him questions that might help him question his decision, If he doesn't have another point of view then all he will have is the opinion of others who will not have his best interests. I've raised my boys to trust me with anything, It's hard to put your parental side to one side, and just listen and try to understand and talk in a way that does not come across judgemental. I had a situation with my son and I was freaked out but had to listen and talk with love. It's hard with the emotions parents feel and the panic, But if you can get to a situation you can talk and ask your son questions and just tell him you love him and want to be there for him, You give him a space to come back to if he doubts his decision. If he doesn't have that, He will feel pressure to turn to the people talking in his ear that it's the only place he can be excepeted and belong.
A friend of mine has a daughter who loves cosplay, but then she starts self harming and became horribly depressed. She started saying she was trans and my friend completely went whole hog with it. I challenged her because I didn't think a 14 year old who is self harming and wants to be someone else should be making such big decisions. We are not really friends anymore.
I had a business based on selling clothing i made at conventions. I started ot at 15 and ended it when i was 22. The amount of degeneracy i had to deal with because i was trying to be kind to people was insane. It has made me very sensitive to protecting women's spaces. The bathrooms at conventions where scary.
Why not protect spaces for everyone? I get tired of this. It's like the whole "Bring our girls home" thing when the Islamic terrorists kidnapped those kids in the Obama administration. You know why they took those dozens of girls hostage? Because they'd already taken an equal amount of boys hostage, but found that nobody cared. Literally. They couldn't get any publicity. So they murdered all the boys and went and took girls. Then there was an international uproar.
1 in 6 men gets sexually assaulted during their lifetime but all we care about is women's safety.
I was also part of the con community & a lot of what she says it’s stuff that I’ve warned my own people at some point of my cosplay “career”, my own friends thought I was crazy or making this stuff up bc they were new to the game. Thank you for speaking on this, and ofc Lizzie this is coming from a semi-retired cosplayer who has been doing this for 12 years and left bc I couldn’t tolerate their nonsense.
I look forward to the day I have a safe group of people I can hotel with again. Maybe I'll take Buck haha!
I'm only getting back into cosplay now (after 10 years give or take) and I will definitely be staying away from the cosplay crowd when I'm there. It sounds weird but I like the design and building side of cosplay. The catty and competitive side can suck it.
I'm only making things that I want to make too not what people want me to make and I'm doing it for fun not to win.
It's such a toxic community and people need to just chill tf out. They take it so seriously to the point where it totally sucks the fun out of things. 😂
@@BAT1357 it's not weird! Thats why I miss it and I will do it again! I just know I'm gonna probably do solo modeling on Instagram for a while before I even bother going back.
@@lizziegirl5124 girl yes, you cannot room with anyone bc they’ll straight up be sensitive af with certain things. Which is why I go with some friends that I know aren’t big pussies with ego problems
@@BAT1357 they think they’ll become the next yayahan. Don’t get me started on how idol groups are on some next level HS mean girls behavior
I watched an interview with a sex psychologist/therapist who works with sex offenders, about two years ago.
Anyhow he stated that the furry cosplay thing is an excellent vehicle for those with ill intentions. The costume is a mask and gives an appearance of cute, sweet, fun, innocent.
Things happen. People happen.
Bad people find many ways to hide behind masks of kindness and friendship.
If you are told you are supposed to dream something, you keep it in mind long enough, you will dream it. It’s just a fulfilling prophecy.
There's a Culture Club song called Manequin, which I could never quite figure out! I'm thinking it actually might be related!
Here is a true story. My friend is involved in StarWars stuff like full stormtrooper and Wookiee outfits. I think they just call it “Troopin” and not cosplay. He is public about it because they do fundraisers and stuff for kids.
Anyway, One day my friend gets a text from his female coworker. She is at a wedding reception somewhere. She sends him a picture of herself with this “cosplayers” and asks”This is what you do right?”
It turned out that there was a Furry event next door to the reception.
My friend was terrified… “how do I explain to her (coworker mind you) what that is or should I even attempt to?”
Some things are best left alone
What makes me sad is, like cosplaying, Furry wasn't even originally a sexual thing. It's the exact same people ruining both hobbies because they can't keep their sexuality behind closed doors.
I'm glad more furries are finally starting to speak up and speak out against the crazies. But the crazies run the anime dubbing and subbing industry so no surprise they're also running the cons now. Sad...
I used to be in the Furry fandom until a Furry lacking boundaries made a sexual advance at me. That ended it for me right there. I know some in the fandom are into it for the friends and to see the more SFW art. Yet, much of the fandom involves sex and that what is put out for all to see. I’ve always said that Furries are terrible at positive PR. CSI- Fur and Loathing sadly is what is all about. I’m glad I made a hasty exit! I still draw Furry art and am writing a Sci-Fi Furry novel, but I steer clear of the fandom.
If you don't mind me asking....... are you a man or woman? I've had similar issues with some of the people in the fandom, but then again the same could be said about gay male spaces (tbh I find those to be worse for unwanted sexual advances). Much of the fandom is made up of predominantly gay men, and I do feel really bad for the women because of how few there are and the blatant sexism in the fandom. I've noticed this seems to be a common thing in the gaming community as well which suffers from the same imbalance of men & women.
@@ShinigamiWolf The gaming communities are infested with these people.
I've been banned from a couple gaming forums for questioning their actions and confronting them.
Most furries are like you, and me. Into the SFW side of things. The issue is, like AnimeCons are now seeing, the crazies took over the hobby because we didn't gatekeep and we didn't crack down on the behaviors early on, when they weren't common.
@@KratostheThirdAll Fandom they've taken over. Art? Check. Books? Check. Games? Check.
It's insane how quickly they took over everything. Makes me so sad.
@@CommanderRedEXE Agree to everything you said.
Cosplay did NOT start with the furry crap! Cosplay was originally people dressing up like characters in video games and cartoons and movies not animals!!
Correct. But if you are not knowing of the scene, you wouldn’t know.
I don't recall saying it specifically did I do bring up it originating in the 80s.
Yes. You did mention in reference to Star Trek.
I'm not trying to be mean because I do know what these conventions were like but you said video games look at how many animals are in video games especially sonic. I remember people with dressing incredibly bad as sonic for laughs even though they loved the game and some people were dressing as animal characters from video games. Not for this silly furry stuff.
Not all furries are bad, but yes, some ppl are trying to allow creeps in curtain communities tho
Buck and Lizzie!! What a breath of fresh air!! As a woman in the middle of detransitioning, who has been in these spaces and even worked at two conventions before starting testosterone in my mid twenties, it was so helpful to have so much confirmed via someone else. These spaces are getting more and more wild by the moment. It feels like Tumblr bleeding into real life. I worked at a renaissance faire for a summer and was regularly s3xu4lly harassed--and witnessed people walking around in full pup fetish gear, on leashes as submissives, interacting with/being 'pet' by children after being "given permission" to do so by whomever was leading them around. It was utter insanity and I was blown away. Thank you both for bringing some grounded energy to this--it helps so much to be a part of this little corner of the internet! Love to you both.
Pup kink at a RENAISSANCE FAIR? I thought it was funny when people brought their Star Trek outfits and would pretend they were on the holo deck but thats just nuts.
Thank you so much for your kind words!
@@lizziegirl5124 Right?! Fully Mad Hatter tea party vibe. The holo deck fun time is so silly and good-there are so many appropriate ways to be playful around this stuff.
Of course! Thank you for showing up so authentically in this interview. Much appreciated, friend.
@@figtree6356 wow! But I am not surprised. Next they'll be showing up to Christmas Craft Sales.
I'm an honest blunt person, but have to be inauthentic a lot in my job and Buck really brings me back into my space! So I am honoured that I got to be here.
This is probably the best one I’ve ever seen. I love this young woman. She brings so much context to so many issues I’m curious about. I’ve read about nullos, furries, cosplay ( that dark not light aspects) but she’s really unearthing the underbelly of the connections. Also gaming, ( that side of it) shadow work etc.. she’s utterly brilliant and extremely well adjust d given her history. I think she should become a therapist no matter how long it takes, because her insight is unbelievable. She’s amazing.❤
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Wowowowowowowow! Thank you so sooo much. I would not go through therapy certification I do not think I would enjoy that process especially now. I would be incredibly targeted and they would attempt to "shut me up". I would not do well in those class rooms and it would absolutely feel like a waste of my time and money.
But I was a life coach for two years and will likely get back into that when things get more settled again in my life. Again I appreciate you so much!! Thank you!
OMG, back in 2021 my underage son asked me to take him to a furry convention in Pittsburgh. I want to support him and I lived in Pittsburgh for a few month, so I was willing to take him. It ended up being cancelled because of Covid and after watching this, I am thankful.
If it's a small, local con, then likely it would have been SFW, but still I don't think the hobby will ever be able to save itself from the same crazies now taking over AnimeCons.
This stuff is so close to my heart. Between video games and gaming cons, I loved looking at cosplay and appreciated the effort, whether is was professional or wood and styrofoam. You could be anyone outside if you didn’t fill right on the inside. Same for D&D. Be anyone you want. No one cared who you boinked. Old school Japanese role playing games thought you to be a hero, be kind and chivalrous and save the town. We were the freaks and geeks.
I used to go to a convention in Indiana, that one year just decided to embrace the Alphabet. It was to the point that it was more about alphabet than just gamers. Place just felt toxic, folks were empowered to be offended. A right-of-center UA-camr got sucker-punched, physically assaulted by one of the Alphabet mafia folks. It stopped being an inclusive place unless you flown an anointed banner.
Bitching here probably because it was the first time I saw how righteous and poisonous some would can get.
No one gave a shit who anyone was before. Everyone was equal. And then some just wanted to be more equal.
…end rant
That's terrible !! I miss the old days so much. I really do want to go back.
That was Gen Con, the largest gaming convention with 75k attendees. 2018. Jeremy Hambly was attacked by Matt Loter who recently finished a term with GAMA. Loter made open threats against Hambly on Twitter after Hambly questioned Anita Sarkisian being a Guest of Honor, as she's not well known in the tabletop gaming industry nor has she produced anything of note.
After the attack, Loter deleted his tweets and locked down his account.
Hambly received no recourse from the police and had to make a civil suite against Loter. They settled it and made public apologies. Loter was also reinstated and allowed to attend Gen Con, Hambly however is still banned from the convention, evidently having the temerity to be a victim of a violent attack.
Loter has important friends in the tabletop gaming industry, an industry being taken over by the alphabet mafia, and they all believe him to be stunning and brave.
@@lizziegirl5124 I think we are going to swing back to normal but at the same time LGBT is taking a hit and and folks speaking out against them don’t know the nuance of QIA+peepeepoopoo .. Fortunately we got folks like Buck, Marcus, Blair reaching across the lines and having folks like you being heard.
@@HussarPlays I remember this. I watched Jeremy aka TheQuartering for a long time. Always seemed like a cool dude that you can sit down and play games with, or do some classic D&D and have a fun time.
He didn't and doesn't deserve that kind of treatment.
More equal is privileged.
46:02 I am a straight, white man who knew and heard of Buck back in 2006-2007 when I read about him in an article about the porn industry. Buck is downplaying his role in the community that I (a straight man) have no part of whatsoever... yet even still I know who he is and knew who he was before Dylan Mulwhatshisface was slapped on a can of pisswater. You're not merely the Star Quarterback Buck of your movement Buck, You're the Vince Lombardi of it.
Thank you Buck and Lizzie. This is appreciated so very much.
Thank you Sheryl for watching and for the comment ❤
Thanks too!
I never usually comment on any videos but Lizzie really resonated with me. I have been a woman in the cosplay community for over 10 years and have since stepped away from them, partly due to financial reasons and partly due to the Q+ community infiltrating much of the space. (This will be a long read, I apologize)
I am 110% a Tomboy through and through but if I had to grow up in this day and age, I'm pretty certain that people would try to convince me that I was non-binary. The truth of the matter is that Non-Binary in and of itself does not exist. I have had people who tried to debate and argue with me that they are real and they do exist but 100% of their arguments rested in "intersexuality" which by the way does not equate to being non-binary. Even someone who is intersex either goes through the surgery as a child or as an adult to assign themselves to the binary which disproves their logic and rhetoric. It is also factually impossible to be transgender and non binary at the same time. I went to college for Psychology and was taught that transgender literally means to TRANSITION from one gender to the other, again, this rests in the binary, disproving their case again.
I do feel guilty for their situation that spoon-fed them with these lies and warped their perceptions of reality but at the same token, I am not responsible for the delusions of someone who is deranged. I also have no legal obligation or need to address and believe their beliefs if I think they are bullshit. Nobody is ever going to tell me that I need to address them as your/majesty and come in with the expectation that I should be a psychic and know what pronouns they use when it rains or shines, that's unrealistic and ridiculous and the fact that their movement can't see how foolish it is, says everything about them.
The worst part about this to me is the levels of censorship that are perpetuated onto anybody who has even the slightest sliver of a differing opinion. At this rate being called a bigot or a phobic of any kind is like clockwork and holds no significance to me just because that individual doesn't want to live in reality. I'm also a woman who plays a ton of PC games and I have even my own family judging me for not befriending these lunatics. Quite frankly I couldn't care less, I am a woman with morals and values who believes in facts and I wish to surround myself with people who think the same way, which is difficult to find in this day and age when everyone is walking on eggshells and afraid to speak their mind without associating themselves directly to a particular political party.
I also did agree with Lizzie that I do believe people would be a little more tolerant and accepting if they didn't act like such victims and force their beliefs onto others. I know trans women who get misgendered and brush it off like its nothing. They are very much to themselves and just want to live their lives and I respect that 100%. I feel bad for the T's that the Q+ people are tarnishing and tainting their reputation with their stupidity and I could only ever hope that the world wakes up to this nonsense and actually starts to fight back against it because as of now, having any resemblance of an opinion like my own can cause you to receive death threats and its absolutely horrible.
Stay safe out there but don't be afraid to stay true to yourself and your beliefs as well. If they want to believe they are a they/them, we should have the rights to believe that they are ridiculous too. Great Video Buck :)
Aaww thanks hun!! I feel you, great comment!
Sadly, i can relate to a lot of your guests who have experienced so much trauma. But it's comforting in a way, because there's nobody i can talk to and it's so isolating & lonely, and it makes me feel so alone. For months i have tried to get psychotherapy, but in southern California, the wait is months. I got one session after 6 months, and it was her LAST day, but it was obvious that she didn't care. Nobody else who took my insurance were taking new patients. To listen to you and your guests is really helpful and make me feel like I'm not alone. I'm not trans, but i'm forever single and alone still in middle (or later) age. My whole life I've been such an outcast. Thank you so much for giving a different and more compassionate and sensible narrative.
I felt the same way for a long time and even though i had one good therapist, since he didn't prescribed me medication the organization he worked for had him cut me off 4 sessions short of the 10 I was supposed to get. 😮 so I haven't really had enough help since meeting buck either. I'm glad I could comfort you a little bit. You aren't alone and if you need someone to talk to please reach out!
Thank you for opening up.
I'm very sorry to hear this. I loved California for its weather, its atmosphere, its scenery and its entertainment (movies, TV and tech), as well as its people.
The state has really gone off the rails these past few years.
" -but I'm forever single and alone."
See my therapist would tell me to stop right there, because thinking that way gets you into a spiral of negative feelings making depression worse.
It's a freaking struggle some days but you have to keep moving forward.
Been cosplaying and Fursuiting since 2007. I would love to talk about this from my spot. It’s one of the reason I don’t really talk or hang out with Cosplayer/furries much at all.
I also couldn’t act up at Conventions in my state. One of uncle’s was the head of security or security for a couple. And another uncle (before I disowned him) did interview and convention coverage. So like. I had eyes on me. Even if my parents weren’t there.
@@stressedskittlezrainI was around this kind of stuff. The costumes weren’t as revealing. Websites like DeviantArt showed furry art like Sonic the Hedgehog, Disney characters and so forth without being inappropriate.
What happened?
@@KratostheThird right? I might’ve survive the yoai paddle era. And have two of them. But like. I don’t know when the madness got so bad Dx it was there. Maybe HomeStuck?
And like. Back in the day. We knew who was gay/trans. But never brought it up. We just left them be. Cause the cosplays were epic!
@KratostheThird have u not heard what bucks saying it was always in the adult space i.e sexual context the qestion is when did furys become normal culture when a phocologist will tell u somone dressing that way has deeper routed issues that need adressing
@@PixelTheExtraTerrestrialnot all furries have problems
I remember seeing Comic Con back in the early 2000’s. At the time, many of the people who showed up were men. They dressed as their favorite superhero or villain, and you can tell they were wearing fan costumes. They were having fun, sharing edgy jokes, and just had a great time.
Things have now evolved to where a class of Millennial/Gen Z people, have practically invaded the space. And they’re not exactly friendly to those who aren’t in their in group.
They are aggressive, angry and prone to silencing those who don’t agree with their world view. This also applies to anime cons and other events where they dress up as Aerith of Final Fantasy VII fame, and act like immature highschool kids. And these are people aged 30 and older.
Kids should stay away from these people, so having this guest speak out is very important for anyone wishing to attend one of these events.
I stopped cosplaying due to people like that. I was late 20s and my cosplaying peers were choosing to use it as an escape and act like immature brats! No respect for the hobby, the fandom, nor each other... just a flavor sauce selfie and/or recording something in costume for the hub later.
I don't think it's that more of us are autistic and whatnot, we're just as a generation more immature. It's also far more accessible to everyone... and that includes people with lower standards. And sure, there are more people today than there were in the 90s, but percentage wise the amount of mental impairments hasn't really changed, society is just far more open and accepting of childish behavior in public from everyone... and those of us who would stand up against it have done so by avoiding it rather than getting slandered and cancelled for having outdated ideals of conduct.
@@Undomaranel Thanks for sharing your story.
30 and older isn't gen Z. That is just millennials.
Yes yes and yes!! What good times they used to be.
Omg the Aerith fans. Its been a long time since I've met one that hasn't adapted their own "oc" personality and storyline for her and ignored her original characteristics.
Thank you so much for saying so!!
@@NiaLaLa_Vi think they meant the Aerith cosplayers.
I personally love cosplaying as an adult (when I have the time and cash), but I don’t interact with children when their parents aren’t present.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with adults cosplaying per se. But there is a risk for pdf files to enter that space.
Great convo Buck!
I was same way. I never interact without parent permission.
It gets worse. There was adults who would try to coordinate "group rooms" at cons too. I remember 20-25 year olds volunteering to house 13-12-16 year olds...
Smart young lady! Thanks for having her on. So glad your channel is growing so quickly. If you are getting pushed by UA-cam, then you are doing something right. I don’t understand why people with more traditional viewpoints (for lack of a better term- non-woke… you know what I mean). I live in an upper middle class, primarily white area now after moving from an area that was very mixed. We have lots of girls playing at the idea of being trans… it occurs here so often. In the Bay Area, it was also exclusively white girls who were doing this. The Silicon Valley is full of high-tech, engineering parents. You did not see the Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Hispanic, Korean, etc. girls claiming to be trans.
Great conversation Buck!!! This is a great episode. ❤❤❤
I would 100% be on that channel for girls. I am SO grateful that I had the parents I did. I am so grateful for my peers and the time I grew up in. I'm grateful for growing up in the late 80s thru the 90s and turning 21 in 2002. These trans conversations speak to me so intensely because I remember how vulnerable I was, and had a certain degree of being really uncomfortable with my femininity. I think about how, if this trend was in when I was growing up, shit. I very well could have been swept up in it and ended up waaaay more fucked up than I was. I am grateful that I had an opportunity to grow to genuinely know and love myself, and to have been given the TIME to do so. I know my worth, I know how to hold a job and basically take care of myself - and am happy to learn and change and grow. I'm so glad there are people, like you Buck, and Blaire and Marcus and Arielle, who advocating for JUST being you and calling out this DANGEROUS cultural behavior. We are robbing an entire group of young people of the TIME it takes to get to know one's self. They should be allowed to make mistakes that are not permanent before making an irreversible change.
I was in cosplay community and saw alot what she said. I used cosplay as both male and female. I just enjoyed play the character and seeing the joy on people face when they see their favorite character.
Yeah I've had low-level gender dysphoria that I realise was from childhood trauma and probably seeing my brothers get more attention and freedom. If I'd been born 10 years later, I can definitely see myself falling into a lot of this, along with the rest of my mental illness. I've learned so much about my disorders and the importance of childhood experiences over the past couple years since finally getting at least one accurate diagnosis. It's hard though, when a lot of mental health professionals are only looking for obvious surface level stuff and don't have the time or interest to actually work out what's wrong, it means you spend a lot of time without decent guidance and I guess these sorta groups help people find answers that feel like they're helping even if it's only a band-aid. We don't have a great mental health culture here in Australia. It's all awareness rather than meaningful action.
Lizzie - thanks for speaking with Buck, and showing us how these different worlds sometimes intersect!
And thank you for watching!
As someone who never lived in a time where furries were not associated with fetishes, I LOVE that you brought Lizzy on, Buck. This has definetly opened my mind more to people within the fandom and how it isn't always a fetish thing. I genuinely thought it was. It makes A LOT of sense that it was a small portion that turned the community into something it's not. Most real cosplayers and furries just want to show off their hard work and it shouldn't be associated with fetish. I will say though, people still can't identify as animals.... i think they're seperate things though
I too bailed on the cosplay space… when convention panels started focusing on people talking about their genitals and antidepressants rather than the craft of making a costumes. It breaks my heart as I really loved crafting pieces and competitions for cosplay. Even the topics just got away from just enjoying anime and felt more
Like a political protest and even the contest felt like oppression Olympics.
Buck, you know I love you. Thank you for bringing on amazing people like this young woman. Lizzy it's amazing that you have the special call and you are reaching out and no matter how demanding and tiring it gets you're still going to do it. You're going to help so many people in your lifetime you are a gift from God
I was in the BDMS community and this younger generation with all their crazy shit made it toxic as hell you used to be able to joke around with each other and now anything you say is offensive. If you don't believe what somebody believes in they try to destroy you and run you out of the community.
I’ve gone down a rabbit hole with worry for my kids and this discussion was helpful, thank you.
Oh my god reference to Pedo Bear. I did not have this on my 2024 checklist.
-Long time anime fan and ex-cosplayer
Thanks, Lizzie. Sometimes it helps to stand a little outside of yourself to get perspective on who you really are. A sense of humour is a great tool for this. If you can't laugh at yourself that may be a warning sign.
GUYS! I’ve just noticed something! The bloomin “Trevor project” ad isn’t on this video, and many others that I’ve seen recently 🤩 could this mean that the tide is turning?? Oh I do hope so 🙏
This just reminds me of a lot of recent discourse in the anime community in regards to a few characters mostly a character named Yamato from one piece. Now if you google her you will be bombarded with misinformation claiming she’s a trans character she’s not and her creator has said she’s not because he does write trans characters but Yamato is obsessed with a dead man named Oden and wants to be him so she cosplays and refers to herself as oden.
oh yeah, I've never watched One Piece but I did come across what you mentioned on instagram. The post was something like, extolling the virtues of the one piece cast for respecting a non-passing transman, while a good number of the comments were saying exactly what you just said - she's just an obsessed fan. I think most, if not all, of the people saying she's trans are probably themselves just creepy fujoshi he/him/theys who see themselves in her. 🤷♀
@@user-et6xw6fu1q they’re confused children sometimes adult children that were never told no and got indoctrinated by other adult children into thinking they’re trans when they’re not.
When I was 13, I got scared of my big breasts growing and I was thinking about getting a reduction at that age even, but I never thought I was being a boy for not liking my boobs. Eventually I got a ED short after that and they shrunk and now they're normal sized, I always loved being a woman and the social contagion I partook in was the emo shit.
This young lady is amazing. Thank you for interviewing her. I, too was confused about my gender after abuse. It's a reaction to trauma usually.
Thank you 😢
Hugs for what you went through.
😢 so sorry
Hey, Buck. I've been in the nerdy/anime/furry subcultural overlap since I was a kid. 30's now. I don't mind offering some insight as well because I have some insights from fandom culture that..make some things very complicated, moreso with the furry fandom. I'm trying to speed run some shit here, so forgive me. It's frustrated me that when I've tried to bring this up to conservative people (more often than not, but liberal too), it tends to get brushed under the rug or downplayed.
It's a hobby for me, and I volunteer with my local communities. With my chief charity I work with, everyone has to go through a background check because of the nature of our work with children.
The furry fandom was sort of a byproduct of sci-fi cons from way back when. Lizzy is correct here. It's funny, because the two people who are credited as being the "grandpas" of the furry fandom introduced anime to the US. They were working as animators in Disney during the early 80's, if I remember correctly. They were gay men who were married until recently when one of them passed away due to cancer complications.
Furry cons way back in the day during the 80's were initially adult spaces with gay/bi men, some of them having an overlap with the BDSM community (bears, for example). It started from artist jams, to room parties and eventually conventions. Sometimes sexual things would come up purely because of the fact that adult topics were being discussed in the comics that was being produced--not sexual, per se, but mature topics.
And what did adults do when they're at hotels for any given thing--not just furry? Have sex.
Kink tended to be out in the open because it was for adults at some of the cons. There's footage of a person dressed up as a mouse dominatrix floating around from an earlier time at a convention called Confurence engaging in kink. But that was designated as a kink event in a panel where that was appropriate, if I rightly recall.
It was getting so bad that we had "movements" to try and deal with it and self-police/self-regulate from within. The Burned Fur Movement is one of them, and this happened around the heyday of the AIDS epidemic; people were getting so fed up with the sexual stuff running over the people who wanted nothing to do it that and were getting ostracized because of the nonsense in the fandom. The problem with the Burned Fur Movement was, while they were being right saying "hey, guys, keep the kink away where it belongs", the main headers for that movement became genuinely homophobic (real homophobia, not "I disagree with you" homophobia).
We've had waves of the BFM to some lesser extent, like the Peace Furs Movement.
2013 was the year a lot of "academics" and "activists" really began to sink their teeth into fandom culture. Broadly speaking, in many fandoms, it was taboo to bring up politics because that's what fandom (not just the furry fandom) was for: an escape from that kind of thing. Identity politics and whatnot had been around in some small measure, but gatekeeping did take place to filter out some of it. Id-pol became the battering ram, however. Nerdy fandoms by and large haven't been the same since.
Queer activism has completely taken over fandoms. I remember wanting to transition because the queer "activists and allies" had me feeling so guilty for my bisexuality. I was an adult when I was hit with it. And I struggled with it in my late adulthood until recently..about 3 years ago.
We're starting to see this in the mermaiding hobby/subculture as well, too.
There's....a lot more I can say on this topic, because it bleeds into so many different facets. Like old 2000's internet culture. Shit is a wild ride, yo.
There's a lot to unpack here because you just posted a treasure trove of information. Buck here will enjoy what you said.
This has obviously been going around for a pretty long time.
Thanks for your comment, this was a very interesting read! I watched a documentary about furries called The Fandom (which is on youtube if you're interested) and it also mentions a lot of the stuff you talked about, i.e. the fetishization, the burned fur movement, etc. The one good thing I can say is that this TQ+ scene is starting to lose steam, even within fandom spaces (albeit very slowly but still, small progress is good progress). It's really starting to become uncool, and the best us normal fans can do, I think, is to just continue being fans while also conducting ourselves properly in public and just being regular LGBT people. I too am bisexual, but I'm not going to make it my whole life, and I like to think there's other LGBT weebs/furries/whatever who feel the same way and are bolstered when they see people like ourselves just being normal and not-weird while also enjoying our fandoms.
@@KratostheThird There's a lot here that I haven't even touched. Some of it is "soft history" between both the furry and anime fandoms that I only know from other documentaries; fandom elders who were around back then could definitely fill in the gaps.
Edit: When I mean "soft history", I mean the kind of history you might hear from people way back then and doesn't have a lot of documentation. Sorry, thought I should clarify.
@@user-et6xw6fu1q There's several documentaries like the one Ash Coyote and Down The Rabbit Hole made as well. In fact, I'm pretty sure there was someone in Ash's documentary that said they wanted more politics in the fandom....which goes to show you what kind of people come into fandoms when they aren't gatekept.
We are starting to see things tilt towards the other side of the pendulum. There's weebs and furrys who truly do want to be left alone, can distinguish fiction from reality and can at least keep their kinks in appropriate legal spaces.
One Fur All is an example of what's happening on the other side of the pendulum. It's a furry convention that puts more emphasis on..I suppose what's the more conservative side of US politics? I don't know if I can call it extreme, because it's relatively small and doesn't seem to be catching too much attention. Probably best to consider it "mid". It's a symptom of a larger issue; I wager that if a lot of queer activists and some of the larger cultural shifts (like critical race theory) hadn't started to take root in the fandom, OFA wouldn't have been created.
I seem to recall there was some impropriety accusations among the staff of that con, but I'm not certain. Maybe Lagovert might have some information on that.
The most extreme example of political nonsense in the furry fandom I can think of was the Furry Raiders Vs Antifur(Antifa Furrys). They had feud so badly the Hatfields and the McCoys would blush. It was one of the reasons a con had to pump the brakes that year because there was a fear of safety for regular con attendants.
@@Dinker27 It’s pretty obvious things swung hard to the left over these last several years. Our administration dictates where the pendulum is going to swing.
I’m a Libertarian/Moderate at heart. I don’t advocate for either far side because that’s when things become unstable. I want balance and I want regular people to feel welcome and accustomed to.
finally someone made a video talking about the correlation between queerness and trans identity, thank you buck! as a cosplayer I can confirm this is true!
My partner was just mentioning the other day about a mannequin factory in Call of Duty. As soon as you talked about the mannequin dreams I had to run and tell him about it cause so many of the topics you speak about I can see subtly ( and not subtly) bleeding into this game, there’s no way this isn’t subconsciously conditioning younger gamers 😟
Yes!!! That's what I thought!!
Thank you Buck for your time and help with this subject matter your Awesome kindness for people to understand what is going on with the children and I appreciate you I'm 70yrs now I'm straight woman and you give me some useful information about what happening tks Buck ❤😊
There's so much I could share with you as an older person to reflect on all you talk about!
(sorry for how long this comment is going to be, but I really want to talk about this, and I'm so happy you are bringing it up.)
I would love to help you if you do want to explore this topic. It's weighing on me so much lately. I love cosplay (you can probably guess from my name and channel) but the community is getting uncomfortable recently. Fandom has always been a haven for people who are kind of weird and don't fit in, or have niche interests. Nerds, you know? But recently I think there is an activist element that injects gender into everything, and it's discouraging. It's inescapable and frankly it's exhausting.
What is causing me the most anguish, personally, is that I am an art teacher and I actually run an after school cosplay club. I don't know how much longer I can do so in good conscience, even though it's just supposed to be about learning skills and making friends. This is middle school, and a lot of kids who identify as trans and non-binary gravitated to the club. I'm fine with that, and we mostly focus on learning how to make costumes, but it's getting harder and harder to keep that the focus. All the kids want to talk about is gender and furries and what it means to be a therian (identifies as an animal). I am legally required to affirm everything they say about their identities (even though I subtly avoid the topic when possible), and I feel like I'm just creating an environment where more kids are falling into a social contagion. It breaks my heart because I really love seeing kids learn hands-on skills and feel pride and accomplishment when they create something new. That's what cosplay is supposed to be about.
I also backed out of submitting a panel for an upcoming convention about what parents of cosplayers need to know, because I don't even know what to tell them anymore, except be careful. I did a similar panel 9 years ago in simpler times, and it was things like helping your kid with planning and budgeting, being there for them if they get frustrated, being involved with what they're watching and having conversations about if it's appropriate to wear at their age, and helping them be aware of stranger danger and setting boundaries when it comes to conventions and taking pictures. Now, I don't even think those cautions are enough, and that makes me really sad.
I think there's absolutely a way for cosplayers of all ages to safely interact, and I do think most comic-cons (not necessarily all anime cons and definitely not most furry cons) are family events. I don't want that to change and I think something needs to be done. I want to fight for the art form I'm passionate about, but I'm also painfully aware that fandom spaces are the most cancel-culture places around, and I stand to lose all my friends and the ability to engage in the hobby at all if I bring it up.
To me cosplay is a fun hobby where you are always learning something new, and I wish I didn't have to have misgivings about welcoming others into it.
I'd love to watch and interview with you!!! I hope for you that you don't have to stop and it starts to die down. ❤
I’m a bit older than Lizzie here and I can tell you that up until 2014 - 2016, none of this nonsense affected the fandoms. Con events were about connection and having fun. Adult spaces were sharing edgy jokes not appropriate for minors.
I was also part of some groups on DeviantArt back when more people cared about it. It introduced me to furry fandom. And as you can imagine, we were nerds, part of a niche that didn’t fit in with more traditional, regular people.
I truly think that influence coming from the internet has spilled into the real world. I cannot be honest in many fandom places because I will be canceled and handed a bunch of insults that I can’t go into detail here.
I wish you the best in your endeavors.
@@KratostheThird it was definitly happening before that in some of them. Anime North had an entire hotel floor dedicated to LGBT and because they were sectioned off they got wild faster than the rest of the community. And the poor DND merch tables were shoved into the LGBT building instead of the regular dealers room, so if you wanted a better collection of modules and dice you had to endure that.
2009 was when I started really seeing it get rediculous at both Fanexpo and Anime North. But perhaps the Canadians got freaky earlier. 😅
@@KratostheThird plus 2009-2011 was when they were struggling with banning the Yaoi paddles and the bum smacking was happening in the parking lot of the congress center that was accross the road from the Yaoi hotel.
@@KratostheThird plus plus people were walking around their boyfriends around with leashes in fetish gear like everywhere since I started going at 15. My aunt was there and we cracked jokes about it the entire ride home.
The sexual drive is very strong only second to the drive of a mother to protect her infant. When sex goes wrong it goes badly wrong. When people can't be naked and vulnerable with each other, when they put a fantasy between each other it becomes merely a physical itch to be scratched and then the true jewel is lost. More and more "new and exciting" is needed to gain any kind of weak satisfaction; more and more of the forbiden must be sought. True sexual encounter has nothing between, no excitment but the reward is true contact. Absolute vulnerability leads to a forgetting of "self "in the "other". Result? Tears, love, respect, adoration. In this moment there is neither man nor woman, just unconditional love. This most precious human state is being ruined by lustful insanity.
Thankyou both for trying to find a way to help young innocent people.
These young people grew up with their head in their phones. Kids use to go out and play with other kids. Now they sit there and texted each other at the same table. They don't know how to socialize. They grew up playing these video games and you are right these stories can be really in depth. A lot of these kids were never told "no" and participation trophies are a bad idea. Not everyone in life is a winner. The younger generation can't stand to be "less than". Life isn't like that. There are winner and losers. Sometimes you are the winner sometimes the loser and that is okay.
You're totally right!
Even in the 90s and 2000s it started being too glued to the tube. My friends were boring. All they did was sit on their couch playing or on MSN messenger being little gossipy jerks.
I LOVED my games. But i always got my fill and wanted to go outside. I typically played more in the winter when it was too blizzardy outside. Or on rainy days. Or for 20 minutes here and there. I always wanted the games to last longer. And i felt if I played them too long, i would forget important parts of the story that I needed for puzzles or responses or directions later. So it never made sense to me to play too long.
When I was a freshman in highschool (14-15 y.o) I attended an anime convention and I had a great time but in hindsight now, there were people selling fetish gear, there were probably an equal amount of furries to people dressed in anime costumes/attire, and EVERYONE had sexuality pins and things to indicate things about themselves sexually and what/who they were into. Someone asked me to call them a $lut and step on them (I was dressed as a male character) This con after a certain time in the evening became "adults only" and then all of that stuff would make more sense, just it was openly presented during the day to minors as well. My friend group at the time were either all gay/nonbinary/trans and were into the new age spiritualism/neopaganism as well and we were doing alot of "shadow work"
This is a great video and I've never gotten to hear anyone talk about this before! Keep up the good work!😁
Omg I forgot about the "step on me im a slut" thing. I had people say that to me at least twice. And over heard it constantly when we were sitting in the grass!
Thanks so much!
Don't forget the free hug pins and signs.
Okay, I've watched the whole thing. This was pretty damned good. Thank you both for doing it. I think we'd all have seen the darkest sides of Mister Rogers if he was alive today. He'd be pissing fire onto these people.
Thank you!
Hey Buck, gay furry here.
The furry community can be sexual at times, for some people it's all just cosplay, fun characters, and self expression, but for a lot of people, myself included, it does have a sexual aspect to it as well.
This includes lewd art of 'persona' characters, enjoying anthro lewd art, and also sexual expression as your fursona character.
The furry community is so vast you can find lots of kinds of people, and it's not always sexual. But given how sex positive the furry community is, and it's high LGBTQ percentage, we have to be honest how it is presented.
In my opinion furries, on their own, doing their own thing is likely not a fetish thing and they are just vibing. But your guest is right, these events are also very sexual in the evenings with raves, orgies, and fetish gear in full display.
As such I think there needs to be very strict policies and policing of dress code during convention "public" hours, so if kids and minors are around, there isn't anything weird going on or for them to see.
The shopping areas in conventions also need to be more divided into 18+ areas with even PG-13 levels of sexual stuff sectioned off out of the main areas so people have to consent to that to see it, especially children.
There's so much more we could do better, and a lot of us want to make it an inclusive space, even if we do find a wolf man in latex a sexy concept. We know it has a good deal of sexual content and that's why we don't want kids around!
Most conventions have "after hours" events where fetish gear sans nudity is allowed and encouraged. It's honestly a great time reserved for adults. As a gay man it's a good time for me and to be more lewd.
Most fursuiters say they never go in public with their fursuit they have sex in, but given the cost of the suits I'm dubious about that.
18+ pure and simple makes it so much easier and safer for everyone, but most people think that would be like saying furry is only a fetish, instead of a nonsexual hobby that sometimes is sexual.
Thank you for this comment, my friend! The insight is appreciated. It's good to know there are people like you in that community who can represent the good parts of it and the desire to protect kids!
@@BuckAngelOfficial That all the LGBT community needs is honesty and respect for nuance! Just because our flag is a rainbow doesn't mean it's all sunshine and rainbows!
Discussing the difficult and complex parts of every community is necessary because harm can come from either within or outside the community. Ignoring the negative things inside the community serves no one and lets things go unchecked and everyone ends up in the crossfire.
We really suffer from toxic positivity.
its not sexual at all for me, so its kind of crazy to hear people criticizing me for 'sexualising animals' when im just wearing a costume. nothing against the sexual side (minus the 'cub' stuff), its just not for me
@@narwhalocean791 Hey there's nothing wrong with that, for some people it's just a fun hobby. Kinks usually only have so many people that share it. And with furries it is the beast elements along with a humanoid body that adds that extra level of spice.
It tickles people's brain in the right spot for some reason, kind of like how some people are into feet.
In general too, furry art is usually super high quality which elevates it above other lewd material. But not all of it is lewd, and it's important to recognize that and it shouldn't be seen like that by default.
Holy shit I forgot about Pedobear 😂
What a time to be alive. 😂
Thank you, Lizzie, for coming on Buck's podcast. His guests always have relevant experiences to share with all of us.
Thank you!!
Buck: how can you be a she/they!?
A question that I be asking all of the time Buck. They truly have no hobbies or anything else better to do other than obsess over being an angry entitled fake hermaphrodite because it's the new trend. It's considered the new prep,goth, punk, and emo and it's ALL they think about! It's ALL they base their personality on and it's exhausting! No matter how contradictory or nonsensory it is they will still stand by it as a means to desperately feel validated.
It's sad how it's bleeding into every single community now because my boyfriend and I are hardcore anime fans and I adore cosplaying for fun. Now that the rainbow mafia(not you Buck I mean the unhinged ones you and Blaire White call out) have infiltrated these groups and sucked the fun out of everything it makes me not want to attend them anymore. Even just making healthy normal female friendships is difficult now because it's ALL you see x.x
I tried joining a cosplay group at my artschool and I think I was the only heterosexual girly female there that wasn't hyper obsessed with their sexuality and gender. It was exhausting to be around and having to juggle so many absurd pronouns.
I'm sorry for the long rant but just hearing you and the young lady calling this mess out really made my day. It lets me know I'm not crazy for thinking "this is too much!"
Rant on!! Let it oooout!!!
ive noticed such a huge uptick in people, especially trans women, wearing fetish clothing at conventions. its so disturbing that its become incredibly normalized and accepted in the space
This is exactly the argument I was making a few hours ago in the comments here.
Even without children around, it's still very disturbing, not to mention ugly.
@KratostheThird seriously. I've seen some of the most shocking degenerate behavior at conventions. I've attended a drag show at a con that was advertised as family friendly, where a queen shoved his breast chest plate into a minors face. I don't know how we got here
I’m a spiritual but also religious person myself. I hold a personal study, discipline, and practice for meditation, tarot, as well as multiple religious studies, with my personal main path in Hinduism, while still incorporating those other outlier practices of tarot and divination.
It’s insane that people will do shadow work without the necessary teacher or guide, like a therapist or an authentic spiritual teacher or guru. It’s all too easy to get lost if you are not willing to be self-critical and incisively cutting and analytical about your subjective experiences. If you’re too invested in emotionality, then it’s all too easy to get in an ego trap of “whatever feels good”.
Yes so right! And "whatever seems good" seems to be a lot of Astral sex with Shadow People. 😢
Everything you said is true. And for that I left cosplay, even the gothic clothing style, I left everything to avoid being with this world. It destroyed my adolescence And if I could go back in time I would have said no to everyone, avoided going to cosplay conventions, shops etc. it was horrible and disgusting
You were young. That’s the thing.
Young impressionable minds who aren’t adults yet are getting warped by this garbage. I had friends back in the 2000’s who enjoyed these fandoms. Back then, revealing content was usually behind the SFW category.
The problem is these people have invaded my hobbies of gaming and tabletop D&D.
I was young too back then, but now in my late 30’s I can reflect on my youth to see what I did wrong and where I did right.
This was really eye opening. I had no idea things like this went on with cosplay at events. I’m learning a lot from your guests! ✌️
I love the idea of making a space for girls to embrace both the feminine and masculine parts of themselves. I have come to love me even though I have a distinct masculine energy to me it does not diminish my femininity, but I have had decades to figure it out and grew up without the nonbinary influence.. make it cool just to be you- without needing a label
I love all the New Color affects...from within your set .and the changing colors going on around the 🪟 framing here from UA-cam channel..💚🤎💜❤️🎉Thank You Buck and to your guest speaker So comforting to know and hear There are still well adjusted intelligent people out there using their voices bcuz you care !
Gives a sense of hope in this world. THE WORK YOU DO BRAVERY putting yourselves out there facing all those challenges 😇🙏 giving of yourselves 😘
Gosh thank you so much!! 😊
These ppl who report on you need to realize that if they have "free speech", you also have free speech. If somone wants respect they need to show respect.
Why are they trying to shut you down? I’m a conservative, not that that has anything to do with anything, and I love your show ❤ I learn a lot here on your platform! One of my faves😊
They don't want the truth known, just their agenda.
@@CommanderRedEXE Ain’t that the truth! So frustrating.
The sentient dream sounds a bit demonic. What else could be behind all this madness? Just like Buck said "It's dark."
I'm another former frequent con goer that has seen how the convention space has changed over the years, so I get this. There's so much overlap with this "trans" space with anime conventions now that I hardly interact with people at the few I still go to now.
I wonder if I've ever crossed paths with Lizzie at Anime North in the past.
Maybe! I was involved with a few different groups theough years. Been going since 2006. We had a Cosplay Group called RE:animate cosplay that did alright for a while. :)
@@lizziegirl5124 I haven't been since 2019 since I'm from the US and border crossing during the COVID diedown years was still pretty messed up for a bit. Maybe I'll try to visit next year as I haven't even been in Canada since 2019 at all even though I live extremely close to the border lol.
I got into the doll hobby so the last few times I went, I spent more time doing Doll North things than anything else at the rest of the con. Before that I spent a lot of time people watching and taking photos since Anime North usually had solid cosplay quality.
@@rensuchan doll North was cool! But I wasn't in the there much. I loved the little designs so much love went into those dolls.
That would be cool. I'm not sure when or if I'll be back 🤔
I enjoyed hearing Lizzie's insights on these groups. Great interview!
Thanks so much!
Puberty is already scary enough for girls. When you add SA on top of that, it's very easy to imagine them wanting to avoid it all and make sure it never happens again. I've heard obese people admit that they got fat because they didn't want to be seen as attractive after a history of SA.
Late comment to this video, love what you do Buck, this is true for the convention scene for anime. I use to go them frequently and stopped going, because this isn't the same conventions i use to go to when it use to be about the love of the fandom, and seeing your favorite characters come to life. Alot of the groups that have formed tend to be clicky and have the same identities. Saying there trans and non-binary. Anyone who will speak up to them is labeled as the "community" tends to do. Hearing the theory trafficking doesn't surprise me because the most disgusting thing I've seen at cons is there are minors that do dress scantily as characters and it just opens the door as stated for predators. It breaks my heart seeing something I love being brought into trending and in alot of cases ive seen most these people aren't even fans and want the attention and gratification.
I live in pittsburgh which is where the largest furrie convention is held every summer. I have to say there is this feeling of the city holding their breath that whole weekend...both because of the tension of not wanting to do something wrong and because of the actual body odor in the air. The general vibe is not good. Some hotels have even started not accepting furries because of the nightmare it is for their housekeeping staff...like needing to clean kitty litter and actual human shit out of bathtubs.
Re the mental health and lack of energy and depression you could literally be talking about my daughter and it breaks my heart
❤❤❤ sending my love to your family i hope she gets through this.
YES! Same with the BRONY My Little Lony community. I’ve seen it coming a mile away that anime and hentai and yaoi have changed people in a certain way and that women would cosplay as yaoi couples and such and then I saw some transitioning and look like they’re just cosplaying still. Weird.
I had to block one of my old Brony friends when I shared this Interview because he lost his shit. I just don't understand why you can't like something without your brain falling out. 😅
@@lizziegirl5124WOW! Wait i haven’t watched this whole thing quite yet. I preemptively wrote the comment lol
What did your friend say?? Also, if you’re interested i have a whole video of my experiences in the brony community on my page if you’re interested!
Were you ever part of the community or around it?
@@cosmickilroy He saw the click bait on the thumbnail and word vomitted about how it better not be transphobic and when i told him he should have read my description mentioning that it was click bait he went on a rant about how he didnt have time to read it and didnt want to get involved in drama. Whilst started it and wasting his precious time haha.
Sure I'll take a look sometime!
Honestly i had friends in every group there wasnt really one i was specifically involved in. We were a gang of misfits that eventually just started accusing each other of some wild things so i yeeted myself out of there. Some stuck but i knew this interview would make or break a few relationships that were left.
The amount of times people at conventions came up to me and started a convo with “what are your pronouns” not “hey how’s your con experience going so far” or a hi is mental.
God, I hate this. I was a con newbie and in 2019 this woke shit was just starting. I have alopecia, which means I'm totally bald. I've been deliberately misgendered as a kid and now people come up to me and misgender me deliberately or tell me they're envious my body "naturally rejects gender norms" and it pisses me off, because I have body dysphoria but it's a different kind. I hate being other, I hate being different, I don't wear a wig because I know it's a lie and I'm not a liar.
I just hate that this shit has taken over. I remember the last con I went to, I was with a group and any time someone started to say something to me of that ilk, they'd do the "creep block" around me and box me in so I had 6 people guarding me on either side, 5 being big burly guys and one being my amazing friend Nadia. God bless her.
@@EeveelutionStorm oh my god dude that's so awful for people to say to you.
honestly it reminds me of how the woke army often self diagnose themselves with complex disorders only to make real people with the disorders feel incredibly uncomfortable, misunderstood and othered. i.e. gender dysphoria, DID, Tourette's, OCD and many others. its good that you have friends to keep you literally shielded from those weirdos. I hope that the convention was somewhat enjoyable despite hiccups!
@@MistressUndead Oh it absolutely reminds me of the type. I lost a few friends to those pipelines of self diagnosis/gender pronouns over the years and it never stopped sucking.
Luckily, the rest of the con was phenomenal and I got to meet my favorite VA Yuri Lowenthal and my friend actually pretended to be my bestie who couldn't attend the con so she got her a signature for a guy she wasnt' even a fan of. 2019 was a hard year for me, but luckily I had people at my side and besides the few hiccups, the con was great. My friends also did this, when people would try to pressure me into buying merch I didn't want. lol
9:00 Speaking of sentient mannequin horror flick, Love Object was a great movie that just resurfaced in my memory. But a dream like that sounds terrifying.
By the way, furries aren’t necessarily a kink, actually it’s a very small percentage of people in the furry community that do have sex in their suits.
11:45 “energy vampires” Omg I love this woman. Brilliant. She is absolutely right that when you have these people who are spiraling out of control in an identity crisis, getting “affirmation” in their delusion of being neither male nor female (or both?) is the only thing giving them that dopamine hit at this point. I can’t imagine anything more depressing than having your entire life and identity wrapped around people affirming a lie. And they all seem miserable.
And yes, when they behave like this they SUCK all the energy and attention from the room. It’s like this big NoTiCe Me I’m SpEcIaL game.
Thank you!! ❤❤❤❤
I, personally, grew up knowing I was about to get my period at some point in my life and when it had happened to me at the age of exactly twelve and three months, was Not freaking about that AT ALL. I just calmly told my mother that I had gotten my period and that I wanted to get some tampons. I shared my experience with my mother right away and she said that she had had her first period at that age as well, that is 12 years of age. When my breasts began to grow, yet again I felt like that was the most natural thing to happen to me since I was a girl and not a boy in my mind. I'm a cisgender woman, always has been and always will be. I grew up watching all the women in my life having breasts, some of them having actually huge breasts and when my began to appear, I instinctively knew that was natural and normal for a girl my age. I was nearly twelve at the time. I was always comfortable with my breasts, even at the early age of twelve. I wasn't That sexualised during my teenage years, maybe because all of my energy went to my hobbies and to my studies and I did study a whole lot during my teenage years that I didn't really have the energy to focus on my sexuality. Not until the age of 19 or 20, anyway. I always thought that having my period every month was alright. What wasn't alright with me were the extreme menstrual pains that I had. That was NOT ok with me , so I went to see my physian to talk about that. Even went to the gynecologist to talk about that. But the issue was never the pure fact that I had my period at all. I grew up with the mindset that I was a female and that all of these things were totally normal for me, even as young as 11 years old.
You’re so integrated Buck, so healthy.
Its frustrating for me because i have been a furry since i was 12 and i went to a con recently and 18+ dressing atire was worn at 3pm when i went when kids were there and i am a non 18+ furry and it gave me the ick.Thankfully P's and zoos are banned and shunned from the con thank goodness.But at anime cons where they don't know that some of those furrys are that don't know so they have not banned them so i don't go to anime cons anymore.From what i know about the furry fandom is that we do ALLOT of charity auctions at our cons for animal sanctuary's ,struggling shelters ect. I met such amazing kind people and a community full of artists and creators which i enjoy.
The constant beeping in the background of this video was about enough to drive me nuts, I still watched the whole thing, fighting against the looming insanity! Please get rid of whatever made that maddening noise and burn it! Otherwise keep up the great work Buck. Keep fighting for the kids.
It was my broken laptop. Unfortunately I didn't realize it was that bad and did not have the time or money to get a new one.
@@lizziegirl5124 no worries! I just figured something had ran out of battery power and needed to be replaced. Happy to have you in any case! Take care
@@notmyendoftheworld i wish it was that haha! Thank you. You too.
as i furry (who's not part of the sexual side) its totally understandable to just assume the whole community is a fetish fest. its there, itll always be there.
Showing girls now that girls can be masculine or feminine is a great Idea. Sharing the puberty stories Sharing the good bad and UGLY of that time is a good thing! I mean I was a tomboy and didn't like my boob's tell I was older. Now I live in leggings n t-shirts but love the rare times when I get dressed up but still am not a huge dress or skirt girl more of a jeans and a dress top
I agree with the whole ally situation. I was a part of the LGBT community but when stuff got pushed onto us I had to leave. I'll accept if you transition or come out as non-binary. I'll even accept calling someone they/them.
The major issue is forcing people to accept ideas we dont support or are confused. All we do is become closed and distant and they force us to accept neopronouns and kids should transition.
I'm also so confused because consent was being pushed so heavily by the far-left but they are the guys who seem to ignore consent.
There’s a post on Medium titled “My Trans Journal: Having Vivid Dreams of Mannequins?”
Agreeing except for the psychic topic. I think it can be explained through perceptual abnormalities and belief perpetuating/confirming mechanisms. That is to say that people who believe they are psychic really DO feel bodily/mental sensations that others don’t feel but that those sensations are explained psychological phenomena. It’s complicated.
Lizzie is great, I'm texting her as I watch this! Great job! Super proud of you;❤
Much love Mattie!! ❤❤❤
@@lizziegirl5124 you're awesome! Glad to know you! 🥰
@@mattmoss6121 right back at'cha!
Being on a spectrum also means being allowed to change, daily, or over time no one knows everything when they are born. We all grow older and have experiences that lead to wisdom by traversing human growth phases. Wisdom is a spectrum of learning and growing.
Thank you Lizzie and Buck.