YouTube Doubles Down on Removing Dislikes.
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2022
- In this video I discuss Susan Wojcicki's (CEO of UA-cam) recent comments about the decision to remove the dislike count from UA-cam.
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It was never about the small content creators. It was about protecting megacorporations from criticism.
I actually suppose this is true reason.
@@baltofarlander2618 because it is the true reason, they only care about money
Also they make more money if you only figure out the video is no use after you watched the ads
and boost their ego in the "correct" direction
Aka UA-cam itself this happened because UA-cam rewind has more dislikes than every other vid on UA-cam Combined
"We know that this was controversial"
No it wasn't. Everyone hated that decision.
They should've said more honestly "We know the people will hate it.."
@@MrZarbon991 the fact of the matter is that you are in the vast, VAST minorty. Also, what *POSSIBLE* reason could you *LIKE* youtube removing the *ONLY* metric for a videos quality (that being the like to dislike RATIO)?! People take technical advice from videos! People might actually *DIE* from this! Tell me, in what *UNIVERSE* it is a good idea to *DECIDE* to lower those peoples information quality, to not let them vet their OWN content?!
UA-cam didn't protect shit, and has almost certainly already gotten multiple people hurt or killed by preventing self-vetting.
@@MrZarbon991 are you a corporation or a butthurt snowflake?
Most ppl just dont care so dont act like if everyone hates it
@@MrZarbon991 I'm actually quite interested to hear what you have to say about it.
I've said this before and I'll say it again, there was a time a few years ago when I was a lot more emotionally unstable where my channel was the target of a dislike attack, and 40 of my most recent videos had a like/dislike ratio of 20:80. How did it make me feel? I didn't care, because the fact that it was from a dislike attack invalidates the entire negative emotional impact of the dislikes. Now I understand that not everyone as insensitive to dislikes as I am, but I believe (and I know people disagree with this) if you tie your emotions far too much within your numbers, and dislikes really make you feel bad even if they aren't "real", content creation is not the right hobby for you
Yes if you care about dislikes and Don't want criticism then you shouldn't be a content creator
And it's not like the UA-cam algorithm causes more stress for more UA-camrs more often, anyway...
It isn't just used to hurt a crators feelings. It's used to push a false narrative. There was a dislike campaign against trailers for Captain Marvel because of its woke star saying lots of dumb shit. Content creators on the anti-woke side of the culture war used the dislike ratios on the trailers as proof that everyone hated this movie and it would flop. The movie was a smash hit that made tons of money and is getting a sequel. Most actual moviegoers don't care that Brie Larson is annoying. It's like how on Twitter a few hundred people can get a hashtag to artificially trend. Dislike ratios are easy to falsely manipulate.
I have a video with 10 likes and 70 dislikes and I'm very happy because it made me notice that I'm retarded
Taking away dislikes is taking away the freed of speech
Honestly, none of this was to protect small creators. Almost every mass-disliked video is from a mega corporations.
And really annoying self promoters. I’ve been one of the dislike bombers, where they spammed everywhere for a while. They also used bots, so they deserved it
The only times I have seen people dislike bomb none big corporations is when they made some horrible mistake or just don’t know their audience.
*is when the youtuber
And Biden
Susan's argument is literally just the classic "think of the children" appeal to emotion argument, but for small content creators.
Because she knows its bullshit and is still shilling for her masters
she said it herself, its about viewership. They dont care if you waste your time watching a useless video, as long as you keep watching those ads. Dislikes mean you switch to the next video too soon and spend more time searching than watching
It's even worse. It's like someone saying "think of the children" in the cockpit of an AC130 while they're dropping bombs on an orphanage.
I'm a small """content""" creator. I was never asked if my videos were ever dislike brigaded. The answer is no.
@Thermal Yes I think UA-cam is trying to make UA-cam over child orientated
"These dislike attacks often targeted and harmed small creators"
Didn't know movie companies and many other news channels were "small" content creators?
Überfeel
Which makes you wonder, why not do: remove dislike counter when dislikes exceed view count. But this is just tooo difficult to code you probably need 30year experience just to write such complex code and can you imagine the performance hit? You'll probably need a super computer just for that code to react in real time
@@jskilabe5986 doing that is actually pretty simple, youtube just doesn't care
@@jskilabe5986 it would be obvious why the dislike counter is removed. I don't think this solves anything.
but this "small creators" is based on YT own definition, so it makes a lot of sense
I really hope one day we will get a company to rival UA-cam's platform because I'm really tired of this no-competition no-effort strategy they got going on.
I'd like to see Microsoft create a viable competitor.
UA-cam WAS the rival company to Google (Google Videos) but then Google went and bought basically their only real threat, cementing the long form video monopoly. TikTok took over Vine's reign on the short form vids and clips.
@Maxblau what
Storyfire anyone?
Odysee is pretty great so far, just needs a few QoL updates (like seeing view count before clicking videos)
"To defend small creators" -the same company who pays small creators less and which the algorithm does not try at all to allow them to gain traction
As one of the largest DIY creators on UA-cam, I am incredibly disappointed in UA-cam's decision to remove the dislikes. If my video sucks, or is wrong, dislike the crap out of it. DIY and How-To video's NEED that metric. UA-cam is WRONG to disable the dislikes.
It i's just corporate. They do not have our interest in mind. It's just to maximize revenue while worsening the experience for the daily user.
You need to adress this topic on your channel Jerry
Make a video about it
Never thought I’d see you here Jerry. Make a video about it and encourage other content creators to fight the good fight. If UA-cam had competition, I bet this never would’ve happened
Sup Jerry! Fancy seeing you here 😁
This decision has made scouting for quality educational content so difficult
I agree. Same could be said for instruction videos.
"small price to pay for narrative control"
THIS
Hopefully someone will make a good tutorial on making a platform that kick's youtube's ass for cheap
"Return UA-cam Dislike" extension does wonders for that.
I love how they said that a lot of small and new creators were getting targeted by dislike attacks without going over the metric that most of them were channels that just aggregate and regurgitate web articles. I'm sure there are definitely some legitimate small channels going through actual targeted attacks, but a lot of them are just briefly hopping on a trend and people know that and want channels with actual heart, time and effort to rise to the top of the algorithm so that they can get the attention they deserve.
the fact that UA-cam straight up lies about it being for the creator, when in the comments of their announcement you see hundreds of creators voicing their disapprovement with thousands of consumers voicing their outrage, just shows they don't give a crap.
Now, I have given their supposed joke of a liaison a lot of shit for defending it, and he he has responded a few times. the issue is that one of those replies explained perfectly why UA-cam doubles down on this. They had already made their decision and it didn't need to go through their Liaison to ask the community what they thought.
UA-cam knows that there's not a single site, not one on the entire internet, with the same polish and features as UA-cam. even if the biggest UA-camrs cried out and talked directly to UA-cam, what are they gonna do? Go to another platform? There's none that gives them the same exposure, or even a salary for their troubles. UA-cam is effectively a monopoly, and they know it damn well.
UA-cam is no longer UA-cam and even though we know it, we continue to use it because there's simply no other sites out there that offer the same quality. UA-cam is a company, companies need to make money, and UA-cam goes about it in the most disgusting way possible, lying and spitting in the faces of the people who made them who they are today. UA-cam, is an absolute disgrace
I hate youtube now but the other choices like rumble and butchute simply don't cut it. Not even close, so i'm stuck with the garbage i hate. Who knows, i gave up television 15 yrs ago, maybe i can give up this pathetic platform too. I cancelled my premium 2 months ago after 12 yrs. Now i get bombarded with ads. More than the usual as they try to get me back on premium. I hate youtube so much🤬😡🤬!
UA-cam just keeps spitting out "dIsLiKe AtTaCkS" like a broken record, when we both know that's not a very good reason
I find it hard to believe that the very platform that has made it increasingly hard for small creators to monetize, and enables and at least passively encourages IP theft and false/abusive ContentID claims by copyright trolls, gives a rancid shit about dislike attacks on small creators.
"Think of the children", but more idiotic
Eventually it'll be 'comment attacks', and then 'video attacks' until the site is nothing more but Jimmy Kimmel and other TV-Celebs.
The official UA-cam channel held multiple records for having the most dislikes on its videos, so go figure. They were already trying this with "UA-cam Heroes" not so very long ago.
@Thermal I can speculate that if the Republicans secure the next run dislikes will be brought back, that will show the obvious double standards, while everything isn't entirely all about politics but I can see that happening in the future
As a small UA-camr, I can confirm that doing this did not reduce harrassment whatsoever. Criticism is an important part of the content creation process
I'd attribute most of that to you being a furry 🤣
It's the big companies that wanted this. They wanted to hide all the dislikes which for example, modern shitty triple A game studios get these days when they try milk money from people by releasing shitty products. Or when movie launch turns out to be a flop. Etc.
It's bad rep and bad for their business to have visible dislikes, people start asking "so why the downvotes"? And these exploitative big companies hate that- as that leads to further embarrassment and harder to sell their products.
Make no mistake. Google lives by ads. When Google aquired UA-cam, that's when UA-cam turned into corporate whorism machine number one. UA-cam doesn't give a fuck about the content you create, they care whether they can show ads and the more they get visibility, the more money they get.
Hence the needs for these big companies like EA games, Blizzard, it's for their profit to hide dislikes and of course UA-cam will bend, because it's always more money for them the more commercial they can make this platform.
@@gamer-gw9iy and that makes it justified somehow...?
@@saltdad5263 at least it makes it easy to forsee.
you are a not that small compare sucha small channels as UA-cam, Call of Duty, EA, Rockstar Games and other smaller chanell that face bullying thru dislikes
UA-cam: *Legendary dislikes must be dealt with Legendary solutions.*
Gamora: *What did it cost?*
UA-cam: *Even more Dislikes.*
I agreed with everything you said up until 8:20 or so. I fundamentally disagree with the idea that being an online content creator necessarily means "selling your mental health". No, you are selling your videos, and maybe a personality you've cultivated around yourself. The problem isn't that there are people who are just too fragile to be on UA-cam, but that UA-cam is deliberately draining their creators' mental (and sometimes physical) health. To go back to your warehouse metaphor, it's not that we're trying to get people who can't lift 50lbs to work in a warehouse, it's that the people running the warehouse are pushing people to overextend themselves, and all the workers have broken backs and collapsed discs in their spine because of it.
"Removing dislikes to prevent dislike attacks" is sort of like if the people running the warehouse claimed that the workers' back problems are from running to their break room too fast, so they're just going to get rid of the break room. There might be a hint of truth in there somewhere, but the solution is specifically chosen to absolve UA-cam of any responsibility for their creators. The problem isn't people just inherently being fragile snowflakes. The problem is that UA-cam puts chronic stress on their creators, via things like demonetization, false Content ID claims, and the algorithm selecting for daily content churn.
I'm so glad that a company who allows literal scam ads to appear on videos has their priorities straight.
-can’t say certain things
-can’t talk about certain topics
-can’t even dislike a video to show the public you didn’t enjoy it
UA-cam fucking sucks.
@I am Petitgguy hat kind of reccomended do you have bro
Those get removed after watching yt foe like 15 minutes
@@robosoldier11 its not just youtube. Thats majority of Social Networks...
@@robosoldier11 its communism
@Entry #17 it's both censorship and greed, communism and capitalism are both shit ideologies and now they are both combined.
“We do this for the small creator”
“The creators can still see the dislike count”
Weirdly enough I've only heard about targeted dislike campaigns on big corporations or UA-cam themselves (rewind etc.), no one decides to have a targeted harassment campaign on irrelevant people...
Except trolls, and even with trolls when that happens it can actually help a bit since the algorithm sees that someone dislikes a couple of videos and it tries recommending the videos to other people to test out if they like the content more than the previous ones... so yeah, its just because of the big companies most likely
Why couldn’t they make it an option for creators to disable dislikes if they wanted, why make it standard on all videos. It makes no sense.
@@maddestruction1 So that they “don’t feel pressured to make the decision” basically BS justification to make it a sweeping change. Fuck this, man.
Old leafy and his army of lizards could be considered a dislike army. Didn't attack too small creators, but imo counts
But yeah, dislike attack doesn't grow or shrink because of the number of thumbs down (except heard mentality, which is a fair use of dislikes). It's an army, people who discussed the target outside of the attacked yt video. And creators still see these dislikes so these attacks would still harm (mentally or whatever other way yt thinks they are harmful)
@@maddestruction1 that option actually exists, its been there for about 2 years now from what I remember, so it was possible to hide the numbers on our own, funny thing is that it still is in youtube studio as an option but its basically useless now cuz dislikes are hidden to begin with
Her explanation makes it sound more like they removed the dislike count as just a way to increase watch time.
protecting their favored groups from criticism is just an added benefit.
Thank you for making this. I’m disappointed, as I was hoping that they would reverse the decision because of all the backlash. Anyone who has engaged with YT for a meaningful period of time knows that crappy videos made by crappy people exist everywhere. Scams, dishonesty-its impossible to get away from.
And yeah you can’t rely on comments since the creator can monitor the comments. Which is good-if people are spreading negativity, scams, or inappropriate/unrelated messages, the creator should be allowed to remove their comments. But people with bad intentions take advantage of this.
UA-cam pays people like Shane Dawson, Dhar Man, and alpha male podcasts, while screwing small creators. They profit off outrage culture and know it.
Some of the best commentary videos, music videos, and podcasts I’ve ever experienced in my life are made by people with less than 100k subscribers and like a thousand or two likes per video. Whenever I need help with something, or want a deep dive into a topic of interest, I come here. I will keep coming here either way, and YT knows that, and since it makes no difference to them, they don’t care.
They just want that ad money😥
"but dislikes aren't shown in xyz places" exactly, they served as a tool to warn you that a video may be overpromising, like a tech video. smh my head.
SMH already means shake my head. So you basically said “shake my head my head”
@@simpleplan100687 that’s the joke
shutdown mode
Honestly they could very easily make it so that dislikes *are* show in xyz places, but that would be too much effort for the multibillion dollar mega corporation I suppose
@@simpleplan100687 shaking my smh
It's crazy to me that she calls the decision "controversial" controversy implies there are people on both sides.
In reality, the only people I've seen speak in favor of the removal are youtube employees. Not one single other person. That is not a "controversial" decision, that is a near universally disliked decision.
Also, I AM a handyman, and youtube is _amazing_ for saving time looking up parts and processes I've never used before.
I'm not a youtube employee and I'm neutral-to-favorable on it. The justifications make some rational sense. The counter arguments also make sense. Ultimately as an end user I should be able to tailor my experience the way I want to have it, and that means being able to turn on or turn off comments and dislikes if I so choose to.
@@matthewjones615 so... Neutral but you prefer uploader control. Which this isn't.
'Controversial' in the corporate world just means "We want it but the people who are using our services don't, but we'll do it anyway because fuck being a good company
It is controversial becuase lot of ppl just dont care and well, some ppl are actually in favour...
And well, it caused lot of controversy... Obviously on this video and Twitter you will mostly see the ppl complaining but barely the other part
Yeah they like to use manipulative language.
Funnily enough, this change isn't controversial like she says. Its universally hated
UA-cam was so ashamed of the 2018 rewind that they removed the dislike count
The real reason they removed dislikes was to trick people into wasting time watching something that the dislike ratio would otherwise indicate to them isn't worth their time, hence increasing viewership and potential ad revenue.
*ding DING*
That's probably the main reason since they are copying Tick Tack but also to protect big corporations/gov from any type of criticisms.
I mean if you can get tons more money by optimizing a tiny fraction of your own daily routine, why wouldn't you do that
and also for large corporate media. media companies do not want to see their high production cost video get disliked to oblivion. youtube only cares about money, and they are abusing their monopoly status. in addition to this, not having dislikes would force people to watch the video, thus earning UA-cam more ad revenue.
There's no shortage of content on youtube, people would watch better content instead. If that becomes not an option the value of time spent on youtube goes down and viewership will go down.
No, Susan, Nestle and Co. got mad that all of their shit was getting ratioed, so they told you to change something or they're pulling. This was never for smaller creators, as 99 percent of them never asked for this, they always asked for things that actually helped their channel. Its all for the megacorporation, we know, there is no use in lying.
And, maybe, politics, but idk
More has to do with Biden's videos being mass disliked
@@nahrafe It's not a good look for the "most popular president in history" to have a 1:50 like to dislike ratio.
So if you don't like it, leave? I don't understand that part of the collective raging going on here. Yes, we get it. Capitalism bad unga bunga yadda yadda. So leave? Why sit around and complain about something when you can just leave? Start your own UA-cam like platform. See how long it's profitable before you have to start taking ad revenue.
@@Dawnbreakerr why don’t you leave the comments then
Unfortunately, i’ve been an actual victim of dislike attacks. Believe me, if there was another option that was on by default that isnt like this i’d fully take that instead.
I had to delete my content that in my opinion had some of the best memories. If there is ANYTHING that is a separate option, i’m up for it.
you're LGBT after all
"Being an E-Celeb is like selling your mental health"
That is an amazing description
I had a dream where the dislikes came back
touch grass?
@@max_me_is no u
The dream can become a Reality thanks to the UA-cam dislike add-on.
I had a dream where UA-cam became a democracy after a violent uprising. Sucks its just a dream
Do you often dream of things that happen just as you dreamed them?
"Dislike attacks" do not exist. Characterizing dislikes as an attack is dishonest rhetoric.
company or media: does something shitty or low quality
community: *dislikes it*
them: "omg we're being attacked by dislike armies"
Not true, people used to make vote bots
Characterizing harassment as "criticism" is also dishonest rhetoric. But with that said, big companies and governments deserve to be dislike-bombed, lol
Maybe only true to Ms Susan herself lol
What attacks DO exist are false-flagging attacks and false copyright claims. Both in attempts to silence criticism.
You hit on all the most important points in this video. Great job
IMO, this is part of a much larger plan for UA-cam to make it harder for their users to publicly provide negative feedback. They want to make it easier to control the narrative and curate our perceptions.
Absolutely, first demonitizing and shadow banned content they don't like, comments get shadow banned, then dislikes are hidden. They just want t.v levels of control again
Here's one viewer that will tell them to FOAD!
The fact is, without a dislike count you end up spending a lot more time watching videos. Very self-serving, They don't mind people getting incorrect or less-correct information.
Exactly!
@@Oaki they completely killed off the API that extension used, so it's now completely useless.
@@Muugroorber the extension is using the data of their users to aproximate the dislike count and learning from the existing data when dislikes were available, so its still usefull, althoug it doesnt have the exact data.
I'd argue people are going to the comment section to read and engage more, which something that boosts UA-cam's financial bottom line.
@@Muugroorber The estimates made by it is still somewhat accurate though, it's not gonna be exact but you can see that there's a lot more dislikes on controversial videos than average videos.
It's not an attack, it is our genuine opinion that you don't want seen, period. This is psychological warfare.
Bro, opinion=harassment potáto=potato
Bingo
You say it like it is.
i agree with this video. this platrom is deteriorating year after year . . . and i'm scared for YT
and your reasoning for the dislike buton needing for DIY and How-To-Fix videos are so true.
I've been using UA-cam as my primary form of social media for around 12 years and I gotta be honest
I have only used the like/dislike system maybe a hundred times across all those years
It's just one of those things you quickly learn that no one cares what you think, especially the corporate stuff
Like/dislike is important to most. They have ruined my experience so i have cancelled my premium after 12 yrs. They now hammer me with ads. Sometimes up to 5 in a 3 minute video. I used my friends account (non-premium and different IP) to watch the same video and no ads. I watched other videos, some short and some long to confirm it wasn't a one off and sure enough there were ads but not even half as many as on my premium cancelled account. It's obvious they're trying to get me back on premium and it is disgusting. UA-cam is evil!
youtube must be making bad decisions on purpose at this point
For all practical purposes they’re a monopoly so it’ll take more than a few mistakes for someone else to pose a threat to them monetarily and that is the only reason why they’ll ever make decisions that actually help their user base
@@fossforever512 like an earthquake that sinks their hq?? Lol capitalism creates unstoppable monopolies.
Always has been
It's like susan is trying to set a new record for the number of bad decisions a person can make.
@@yasinwissin7075 Yes
The **only** reason for its removal was to protect specific corporations and media outlets from public criticism.
also politics, white house videos get dislike bombed a lot
You hit the nail right on the head!
If Susan's video was a tutorial on telling transparent lies, I would smash that like button for it being a perfect example.
"To defend the small creators" is so much bs considering what their algorithm does to them
Yep
EXACTLY
if that was the reason they could have the dislike button only be removed from smaller creators.
@@ThecatThecat-hq1op yes! Also the greatest harm the dislikes do is the how it personally affects the creator…but the creator can still view the dislikes. I don’t have any videos so I don’t know how it works but I assume if you are checking/responding to comments, your going to see the dislike number whether you want to or not.
It really affects my UA-cam experience more negatively than I would have thought.
Use one of the browser extensions that returns the dislike count.
@Xeknown It literally uses UA-cam API that's still available (at least for some time) lol
@Xeknown Damn my bad. Time flies by.
@@WeAreHere-42 yeah i heard about YT removing the api but the extension still seems very accurate
@Xeknown Yeah, but at least you can get general idea of the dislike ratio, which is generally enough if you're looking for a good tutorial for something.
does youtube think we’re stupid enough to believe their shitty excuses? yes. the answer is yes.
I feel like not being able to see the dislikes is also going to discourage people from using it. Thus creators will see less dislikes and not actually know the extend of dislike for their video and not accurate feedback
"...dislikes where never shown on the hompage or searches..." Wrong, they where in shown before clicking on the video on startpage and search in the early days. And in my opinion this was an very very good thing. Made it easy to skip bad content. Not good for ad revenue for YT ofc.
That's why they removed the dislike count alltogether, and that's also why they're planning to implement the almost universally hated NFTs everyone has been talking about.
Every adult website similar to youtube still use this
They aren’t trying to stop people like us from seeing the dislikes, they want to stop “normies” from seeing how people truly feel. It’s all about controlling the narrative.
What UA-cam is doing is what a 7 lettered F word that sure don't mean freedom would do.
When you disable the dislikes for a small creator and people don't know the video is disliked, people can spam the dislike button a lot more
@@RazorM97 For what kind of reason would it happen ? It's the contrary that happens, that why it was made in the first place...
@@thegk-verse4216 when people don't know if the video is disliked enough. If it's a bad video.
Especially with vaccines.
Dislikes can actually HELP small creators, so they know what not to do in their video next time.
the fact that almost everyone I know has the extension to bring back the dislike button should be a red flag for UA-cam to not remove it
0:38 wtf sort of world is Susan living in? It wasn't controversial, it was disliked by the vast majority. It was something the community came together and agreed on, we agree that removing it is bad
leaving the dislikes in went against her master's and her own wants so its controversial because you know they really care for opinions other then their own **Sarcasm**
Susan wojcringey
Living in her own world and trying to impose it on us
Living the Google life of narcissism and psychopathy.
She lives in an echo chamber.
"We do this for the little guy" Yeah since when did UA-cam did anything for smaller creators. It's totally not to defend big media and the white house.
^
Honestly as a "small content creator" would you even care if 100,000 came and disliked you video i mean even bad press is far better then no press when your trying to get your name out there.
Dislikes is not an accurate way to make your choices, your choices are to be made by us.
Everything is so censored nowadays, everybody has to have a mainstream opinion that supports the narrative or it gets removed in the name of “hate protecting” that’s such a terrible precedent
YT: "Due to our extensive research, we're disabling dislikes"
Everyone: "That study could be useful for understanding the effects of likes and dislikes on social media platforms. Can we see it?"
YT: "It's a secret :)"
Yeah, they definitely didn't do what they said they did. Pretty sure they removed the dislikes to protect their own channel
@@SenecaSerpent UA-cam leadership ain't a leadership
UA-cam doubles down on ending their monopoly
@Bradley Puppies Let's use alternative platforms for make it possible, Odysee has to be the one with most content, even the 4 eyed cat man is there
And I completely support their decision. Good, we need competition. Glad to hear that UA-cam agrees.
@Bradley Puppies
Stop waiting for competition and start using the government instead of whining and blaming it for all your problems. Break up big tech. By _force._ Toss all this free market and Milton Friedman ideology in the toilet. It's nonsense, nothing is going to change unless you _make_ it change.
Vote for politicians that intend to break up big tech. Vote for the ones with the most extreme rhetoric in fact, vote for anyone who promises to completely destroy silicon valley.
If you don't do this, you're a whiny simp, so stop complaining.
@squigga For people like you isn't gonna happen.
@@charautreal who is the cat man?
"if your ego is so fragile that you can't handle seeing how many people dislike your videos, then just don't post videos"
100% AGREE
this crap where nobody can be offended and everyone is a snowflake is getting ridiculous
also hard to not see it's really just a cover for their response to a certain trial in the US
additionally, it's notable that youtube has provided absolutely no justification for why the feauture isn't creator toggleable, rather than forcing it upon all creators.
If it's for the sake of the creators, then why can't they be the ones to choose?
I love how none of their arguments actually make sense. As you said, the dislike ratio is still visible to the creator so if the creator has a problem with that, they will still have a problem with it. It's supposed to mitigate bullying, but bullying is still primarily done in the comments. etc. etc.
We all know why they actually did it. It's because big corporations (including YT itself) were being humiliated by people mass disliking their videos. There would be articles how company XY managed to "collect" a million dislikes within an hour of posting their video. These companies pay YT a lot of money for promotion and they were unhappy about this, so something needed to happen. They just needed to come up with some excuse because admitting this would make them look just like another heartless corporation.
It amazes me how dedicated corporations are to lying about this stuff when they do it so badly
Hell, removing it is going to make the bullying WORSE. Because if people don't have an outlet to say they dislike a video with the dislike button. They'll go the comment and say something mean or rude
It's counterintuative
And all it really did was make sure people like me won't spend money on company's that use youtube for promotion. Fuck that play stupid games win stupid prizes. The list of greedy terrorist funding company's went from a short list that was easy to ignore to being so damn long by the time I'm done checking if a company is on the list chances are I don't want whatever it was I was gonna buy anymore.
@@ikjjoli607 this. Can't tell you how many times I decided to be nasty in the comments qhen I would have simply disliked a video and moved on with me day.
@@LilacMonarch there not doing it badly if people are easily falling for their bait
The dislikes found in DIY/tutorial videos were generally from people that searched for the same answer as me and found the video to be useless.
Now I have to go and check each comment one by one until I have a feeling the video is worth watching or not. Having to read comments to figure out if a 10-minute-long video on how to do something is worth watching just wastes time.
Thanks, Susan!
@survivaltest 370 adblocker users lmao
@survivaltest 370 The fact they thought we'd buy their excuse for protecting small creators is insulting. It all boils down to money and companies receiving less backlash.
Don't forget they can moderate their comments and delete the ones they wan't so this method still isn't the greatest.
Perhaps wasting peoples time IS what they actually intend. With the amount of money their staff is getting payed to figure out how to achieve the executives goals, I doubt the outcomes are unintentional, and probably, as always, involves manipulating the consumer basis .
Especially in Tech I cuz I got scammed twice Since the removal of dislikes
Spot on! The dislike counts on DIY and learning videos were incredibly useful to avoid dangerous or just plain wrong videos.
Remember 10 years ago when there was a rating system and you could see it before clicking?
"Dislike attacks" weren't even a thing before UA-cam made it up 🧐
Not true, it's happened to me. I made videos about atheism and some butthurt creationist made a bot to down-vote all of my videos (even ones that had nothing to do with theology/religion) exactly 50 times in less than 5 minutes
@@GBart well, dislikes didn't do much before and they really don't do anything at all now that just one person can see them 😅
@@OrloxPhoenix lol yeah at this point it's moot
i’ve heard of big creators getting their fans to dislike bomb videos when it’s criticism of them, but i’m sure what youtube cares about more is people disliking advertisements because that will discourage them from advertising on yt or something
While dislike bombing and brigading has always been a thing, but dislikes actually always helped videos get picked up by the algorithm, so even that isn’t a very good argument outside of the whole “hurting creators’ feelings” one.
UA-cam forgets that they have a community: episode 100
youtube doesn't want to have a community they want to be the amazon of MSM news clip channels
Please stop giving them any benefit of the doubt, they don't want a community like John brown said, they HATE us, they would remove comments and any non-corporate account if they thought they could get away with it, and they'll probably try sometime in the future anyway
Corporations dont have communitites.
Just had an ad play before the video that simulated a carcrash for like 5 seconds.
That summarizes the public opinion of UA-cam very well id say.
"Dislikes have no impact on videos getting seen less or more"
also
"People were targeted by dislike mobs, which made their videos be seen less often"
WHICH is it, Susan!?
Removing dislikes it is still pointless. If it's to "protect smaller channels", those small channels can still look at the video metrics and see what the true count is. On top of that, if there's a "dislike" mob trying to use the button, I doubt they will care if the public number is there or not, they'll still press dislike and move on. Hell they might be more inclined to press dislike since they don't know what the number is, might as well keep pressing it to make sure the creator sees how much it got disliked. Emporor Lemon made a great video about removing dislikes before they officially did it a while ago.
Today I learnt that the 'Emp' in EmpLemon is short for Emperor
@@KIgaming. yea, I've been a long time sub to him. The emperor part comes from when he wanted to make a yt channel he wanted a royal title so he picked emperor. The lemon comes from his last name Lemos
@@Celty.Sturluson quite simple. Cause they don't care about YOU, anymore. It's about them maintaining and increasing their salaries
It even makes analytics useless for the smallest of channels. If you have a subpar video with 0 likes and 0.0% like ratio, you cannot tell if that's a single troll downvoting or actual disdain if nobody can be bothered to comment.
@I am Petitgguy It would definatly feel weird to describe old youtube to a younger audience cause we would just sound to crazy or out of date. "Stars?, Green Lightsaber?, Earning a channel banner? What are you talking about grandpa?"
UA-cam's advertisers don't like dislikes. That is why they are gone. I hate this platform but sadly where else to turn to for the sheer amount of informative content?
Vine LOL
The thing is too any time you make an alternative like bitchute it inevitably becomes politically charged one way or another to become a black sheep or known only for one thing
you can download the extension that shows dislikes
@@wowwhydoIneedahandle exactly, it hurts to see the reception Odyssey is getting
@@neojenshi4055 if Odyssey had the mobile app I would have tried it out. But there isn't one just yet.
Dislike counts stopped me from watching videos that told me to "fix" my computer by downloading potentially harmful software. Now I don't know what videos to trust
I totally agree with the opinion mentioned about how-to/repair videos. In order to learn how to fix something we need to watch a video, then we need the like/dislike numbers to determine whether the video will be helpful or not in the first place. I definitely dislike these vids if they are not helpful after all, or are dangerous, or don't show what's advertised. This saves a lot of time, especially when you're in a hurry to fix something. And those vids that show people working on those microwave capacitors can get people killed. I've seen a couple that offer bad bad advice, and I'm surprised they're still up, let alone that they're among the top videos after a search. The like/dislike thing in this regard may actually stop people getting hurt. It's no joke.
"We understand it was a controversial change"
No I think we were in basically unanimous agreement that it was a incredibly stupid decision that made it harder for everyone to find content that was worth their time.
YT just misunderstood the meaning of the word controversial.
@@d1kgaws12 Or purposefully acted like we didn't know what the word meant, because UA-cam thinks we're a bunch of dumbasses ... maybe I'm being too cynical haha.
@@DanknDerpyGamer You're aren't being too cynical, you're right. In all fairness, youtube is also right thinking the majority of viewers are dumb. Refusing to admit fault and playing the problem down with technically correct though functionally meaningless use of words is pretty tried and true PR nonsense. When it comes to the stink they can kick up both sides are actually pretty even, it's just that one side is large corporations and the other is millions of average users with much less individual power. From that perspective it is true to call it controversial. UA-cam is going to play from that perspective since it sounds better than near-universal disapproval, and there are plenty of people who won't think past the words they are directly told.
You’re explaining it right, but she absolutely knows the point everyone was making. Such an elusive response
O_O V..Vlog Creations? Well, Hello!
What she's saying is "Fuck your points this is my site I can do what I want"
hello
Ye
Yep sometimes people click on a vid just to see if it's good or bad before they watch it and if it's back they leave often times faster than they showed up.
Remember when “you’re just a hater” was popular? This is the direct result of that dumb way of thinking we used to have.
I can't believe we actually have to explain to UA-cam how UA-cam works.
we don't, they are lying about the reason why, they are doing it to protect megacorps and political figures. It all comes down to money
bro I want people to see if my videos are shit or not, heck they don't even tell us how many dislikes our videos itself got in analytics, only a ratio so you have to do some rough math fo rit.
This is high key stupid.
this is so that when the community adds them back in the program will have to do math problems to display an accurate total slowing it down and giving a lower incentive to add back the feature that everyone except asimo wants
"You wanna know how much dislikes you have?"
"Yes please bro I need to know if my video is crap or not!"
"Remember trig from high-school?"
Time to build a YT Lag machine Horizon
@@minebrandon95264 Who is asimo and what does a roblox developer have to do with this
UA-cam's just getting revenge for the Rewinds.
Your 100 percent correct with your point view now I've now just stop unless
News independent journalists... very rare no i watch ppl dont know.....
I've once found a super low quality tutorial video that actually worked. Audio and video were terrible quality, but the guide was easy to follow and it worked. So disabling dislikes is a bad thing.
but it's not accurate
@@pradap2298 its good enough tho
@@pradap2298 then do your part in making in accurate, bY USING IT
Thanks to the misuse of the word "harassment" every single time I see it now, I immediately stop taking it seriously regardless of context
it has been a political word for at least 3 years already
basicly like all buzzwords nowadays
It's really unfortunate, honestly. It means we're all less likely to take victims of *actual* harassment seriously.
So like how the word "trigger" became a joke years ago
I watch out for the word "sustainability"
UA-cam:
*Has problems with bots harassing creators by spamming their comment sections with porn links*
*Has actual softcore porn*
*No moderation whatsoever on community posts*
Also UA-cam: Look guys! We fixed bullying by removing dislikes!
All businesses appeal to their most important clients.
UA-cam is appealing to their clients, the corporations.
I have run in to the same issue. How-to videos involving tasks that can be dangerous are made even more dangerous with no way to tell if the person in the video is giving a bad gouge.
Use one of the browser extensions that returns the dislike count.
Abaddon youtube or deny them ads via adblock
@@kashmoney9340 doing ad block since 2018 lol
@@WeAreHere-42 is there an extension to stop youtube shadowbanning your comments
@@rlenter9 no but there way to by pass it,
Never in my life have I seen a small content creator being bullied by unreasonable dislikes
These cases do exist, but not too much.
@@d1kgaws12 I see you liked your own comment. Good thing comments don't have a dislike count.
@@d1kgaws12 No they don't, the dislikebar is just a flat number indicating how many enjoyed or didn't enjoy the video, it's not bullying.
"Every way we looked at it, we did not see a meaningful difference"
Maybe they are blind.
They think we are retarded. Of course they wouldn't say dislikes were removed because of big companies or revenge for youtube rewind, but pretending to make this about "small channels" is somehow even more dirty
1:17 that just says it all doesn't it: "theres no difference in viewership (youtube's revenue) either way, so we'll just go with the option that benefits large corporations and advertisers instead of users"
Those were my exact thoughts when I heard that part. They're not even trying to hide it at this point.
If they were trying to imply that everyone's concern is that they will get less views, then they are even more tone deaf than everyone already thought.
Maybe UA-cam needs a class-action lawsuit brought against them for this to get them to open their eyes. Section 230 won’t protect them against Negligence.
Because videos viewed via the Amazon Firestick do NOT show comments either. So watching how-to vids without comments and no DISLIKES - like the capacitor video discussed here - is dangerous for one’s health!
Exactly
I think its inevitable. Some one is going to get harmed really badly after a tutorial and they are going to get sued
Good that you mentioned the DIY videos in particular, because there's usually one more problem with many of them: they're not really DIY. They're more like: "Wanna make a DIY LCD screen? Step 1: Buy an LCD screen. Step 2: glue it into this cardboard box. Step 3: $$$PROFIT$$$" :q And now I can't tell right away whether they are of this particular kind of not, because I can't see the dislikes.
I have only ever seen a "dislike attack" once, and the person who got attacked kinda deserved it
EmpLemon foreshadowed what was to come to this decision years ago. It was pretty clear that early on that UA-cam attempted to remove the dislike button by simplifying the UI/color scheme.
That YTP creator was a prophet.
laughing at YT pretending to care about small creators when they are the same platform that has allowed them to get demolished by copyright abuse for years
I just wish they'd be honest about why they did it. To please advertisers, and political and corporate creators. A little honesty would be refreshing.
The fact that they think that small creators got hated on… like who is wasting their time just dislike bombing a video. YT should’ve worked on removing bot accounts especially those that spam comment sections on SMALL YTers.
I have never in my several years of browsing UA-cam seen a single dislike attacked video that was undeserved. I simply may have not been on the right parts of the platform, but from everything I've seen any dislike is there for a reason. And now that it's removed, it gives people with malicious intents an easier way to fool innocent drifters, like the probably millions of scam videos on YT, or the "Free google play card" schemes. Thankfully the extension to return the dislikes still works.
There were COVID info videos getting dislike bombed by COVID disinfo bot nets, but for the most part dislikes were deserved. Lots of companies have gotten rightfully disliked bombed by actual people.
a few months back I saw a video titled like "how to crash your PC" and it just told you to delete critical windows files (without indicating that it was that), pretty much frying the whole pc, imagine the amount of unexperienced people simply wanting to pull an innocent prank on someone, unintentionally nuking their windows installation
@@T1MAGEDDON Fun Fact: you can actually recover these file after deleting them through BIOS. Once deleted my system32 file myself just to practice doing this.
@@T1MAGEDDON Good that Win10 has security measures, protecting against the deletion of files within C:\Windows\, at least in the Home edition, which most non-savvy users will use.
The dislike extension isn't real, it's like the fake toy phone your mom used to give you to keep you from playing with the real one.
All it does is estimate the ratio by counting the dislikes from people who installed the extension. But that in itself is a flawed way to measure because the people who have the extension installed are obviously more sensitive to the dislike button and will use it more often.
That burn at the end was so understated and so sick. Felt good hearing you say that.
You can't swear or dislike on UA-cam but they allow endless comments on nearly every vid with links to pornsites.
She sounds right to me. I have NEVER looked at dislikes or the ratio before choosing to watch a video.
the fact that "verify age" is being used as a tool to block unfavorable opinions about a person/group should be addressed.
I remember back in the day when youtube still ran on a star rating system you could see the ratings before even clicking on them. It was useful in a time where you could get rickrolled or otherwise bamboozled by any old video that would get on the front page.
It technically still does incorporate a star rating on the backend iirc. Likes are 5 stars and dislikes are 1 star (which is what videos were being rated as anyway)
They're ever moving towards a platform where silent consumption is the main goal with creation of anything becoming ever more difficult to keep down what they don't like. Videos can't get traction like they used to unless they're starting with professional quality and often corporate backing silencing the average user. They have autofilters in comments that silently hide any comment that has has any content that their system deems bad. Now they're removing the abillity to even express the most basic measure of distaste. They're trying to move back to the hyper control of old tv with the modern internet. Mind you, they're a privately owned corporation, they're not a public Institute and can censor all they like. It's just sad that they have no meaningful competition for content over 60 seconds to reign in their uncontested anticonsumer practices
1:12 she just shot a huge hole in her own argument, if there "is no meaningful difference" then there is no reason to remove the dislike count.