You guys need to really get up and clean house. These fringe whack-jobs with Koch money are turning your Party into a Ringling Bros show and dragging the rest of the country with it.
***** honestly the GOP is making so many slams against Hillary that while I would love her to show all of the those asshole up it would probably be better if she loses so the republican candidates will have to contend with a candidate that they don't know much about.
+bolomd Please speak up, moderate Republicans! I would've loved to hear from you during the 2012 elections... I was taking a seminar in North American Politics at the time, and you people were sorely missed... =P
This is a wonderful commentary, not only for Republicans but Democrats as well. We must stop being so polarized and hating anyone of the other party. Listening and not agreeing does not mean you must hate every single person of another party.
"The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition. When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges. “Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach." www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html
You can't find common ground with people like the Alt right that are so massively disconnected from reality. I keep hearing people say "we need to just stop hating each other" the ideology of the right these days (not conservatives but Republicans) is based solely on the idea of hate. Hate for foreigners, hate for liberals, hate for activism, and hate for non Christians. There is no common ground or understanding for rational people that can allow them to find understanding with people like that. I'm sorry it just can't be done. That's like implying we should find common ground with ISIS. It's the same cancer that creates both groups.
@@Strider91 the same could be said for the far Left. Especially the Squad in the Democratic party that are the most communist, uncompromising group of people.
@@Strider91 Imagine actually thinking the "alt right" was a pro Christian movement at its core lol. You know nothing. By the way the alt right was undeniably right about America.
I actually changed my party affiliation from Republican to NPP (No Party Preference) this past election because of all the same reasons said here in this scene. I believed in a lot of things that made sense and once upon a time so did the Republican Party. I stopped like being Republican when it seems the entire party's objective shifted to purely hating the Democratic Party, when asked to come up with real solutions to real problems and all you can do is deliver withering put downs of the solutions your opposition is coming up with then you're not doing your job anymore and I cannot get behind such people.
I'm no fan of Chris Christie but I damn near felt bad for him for the crap he went through for simply meeting the president at the airport. That part of the country was in crisis and it made me sick that people couldn't put their party politics aside for two damn seconds.
Jon Ericson I'm no Christie fan either but that was a damn shame how he was being dogged for working with Obama. They did the same thing to Arnold when he met with Obama. I think Arnold said" My job is to serve the people of California, not my party".
I love Zimmer's blouse! And I LOVE that Mitt Romney's pic is behind Will. Lifelong Kansan Dem who is proud of him for his courage to act against Trump, just as I was McCain. Bob Dole said that 'we should strive for unity through humor, or whatever works'. I'm not in TDS, but I wouldn't mind getting back to the place where reaching across the aisle was not seen as "exhaustive compromise" or "treason". It was viewed as ppl doing a JOB.
If all Republicans were like WIll McAvoy it would solve so many of the problems we have as a society. Unfortunately there are too many of them who have more in common with Michelle Bachman or Paul Ryan.
Yea well that's also part of your fault and mine for not demanding that these people be out of a job... its Kinda like having a relative that you use to like and respect but soon became estranged when they got into drugs and became addicted. You try to help them but they just keep pushing you away.. We know its a problem we just have to act.
MJF there are so many of them out there. But liberal politicians, groups and media have ground down the term “Republican” to the definition of hate to a point where they have gone into hiding.
Unlikely, after Reagan's drastic changes it only got worse, likely the polarization and identity politics will continue until there is more widespread outrage like what we saw after the election. Because north americans are not as big on protests as other countries it will likely take more of a push to see any significant change. Not to mention that last time things were so polarized it took a civil war to de-escalate things (no, I'm not saying there will be another one as there is no sign of that and to suggest there is would be ridiculous)
Its a shame the Newsroom is no longer on the air. I really could use a Sorkin written broadcast in which McAvoy tells the world his party is a sham for making Donald Trump the front runner in this election.
I am afraid that now, less than a full decade after its conception, a show like 'The Newsroom' cannot get made and put on air, maybe even not on HBO. Too many people will get triggered, too many people will get outraged, too many people will say that its fictional characters are 'a disgrace'. It is amazing how quickly the world threw away the legitimacy of traditional journalism and how now everybody feels competent to have an opinion on every matter. It is shocking how quickly we forgot what facts are and how we started to treat opinions as facts. Or how fake news and alternative truths replaced reason.
@@drkskwlkr I always thought that was the main reason it was cancelled. First time I watched it I thought It was amazing, only from the first few episodes. Now, after I learned some things, I apreciate it even more. For a long time I didn't understand why it wasn't more popular. Now I have some idea. There are a few lines in the first episode, that hit hard : Will: "The social scientists have concluded that the country is more polarised than the Civil war..." Mac:"Yes, people choose the news that they want now..." Will: "People choose the facts they want now" People choose the facts ...
Yep, right on! Perfect explanation of what it means to be a real Republican and a "new Tea party Republican" by Will. I disagreed with the real Republicans but I respected their right to their views and understood them, at least to some extent. I have no respect or understanding of the actual reasons for the views of the new tea party types and Trumpist Republicans. To me, a large share of them are not very nice people, not intellectually honest, and certainly not educated about civics, history, what it means to govern or even common decency for other people, just because they disagree with you. Certainly the founders of the Republican party and their decent leaders of the past would not like what has happened to their party in the last decade or so either!
Will just summarized exactly why I do not adhere to any party. I do not identify as a Republican, because then I'd have to hate everything about basically anyone I care about in this world. I'm not a Democrat, because then I'd have to love everything about basically anyone I could give a shit less about in this world. Also, I refuse to be represented by a donkey. I'm an independent. I do not participate in the mud slinging war that destroys every caveat of political progress in this country, by blaming absolutely every goddamn thing wrong with it, on "the other team". And I refuse to let some sense of team loyalty decide my opinion on any issue. I prefer the ability to think for myself, and not be questioned as to why I've betrayed people I never swore allegiance to.
+Special Agent of the Patriarchy and you missed the point where he makes a clear distinction between real republicans and the nut jobs who are pushing the likes of Trump towards the republican nomination and for the record perhaps you republicans need to be attacked because you let this shit fester so you can get your shit together
I confess that my exposure to The Newroom has, to this point, been limited to the very clips we find on UA-cam, specifically clips like this one; that being said, I feel that, as timely as the show was in its original run, it might well be even more relevent today, because the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower has become unrecognizable. If this party is to have any hope of survival, let alone redemption, to paraphrase the words of Mitch McConnell (referring to Obama), we have got to make Donald Trump a one-term President.
Its a bit dated at this point. The Tea Party wackos have been pushed into irrelevance. Now the Left has gone batshit crazy and law of opposites has forced Republicans into more rational, scientific, open minded beliefs. The political landscape has done a 180 and it will again in 5 or so years. Watching this show is like it came from a completely different era.
What do you guys mean when you say you're a registered 'republican/democrat/etc'. Is it a form you fill in or something? Is it legally binding or just a survey or something (census?). Are you allowed to vote for other parties or just the one you're registered to (then again, how would they know). Sorry for all the questions, I'm just interested. I've not heard of anything like this in Australia (then I've only been voting for a few years now XD)
When you fill out your voter registration, you can declare your party affiliation. This doesn't affect who you can vote for in general elections, but in some states it does affect which primary election you can participate in - primaries being run-off elections within a single political party to determine who will face the opposing party/parties in the general election. For example, if you're a registered Republican, you can vote in Republican primaries, but (in most states) can't vote in Democratic primaries. In general elections, you can vote for whichever candidate you want, regardless of political affiliation.
Since the US government is a two-party system (Democratic and Republican parties) you can declare a party affiliation, if you have one. Take Northern Ireland, where I'm from, as an example. There may be different political parties, but the three main sides are nationalist, unionists or other, with nationalists in favour of a united Ireland, unionists in favour of Northern Ireland staying in the UK and other as neither. Each party generally identifies as one of these sides and these affect how much, how little and where they can get the most votes.
+Maddi Becke Let me explain to you. In the U.S. soldiers come to your house with guns and give you a form that you must sign to register as a party - Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc. Then they take you to coal mines labeled under each respective party where you shall spend the rest of your life in hard labor. You are replaced with robot lookalikes who then proceed to vote for who was registered. When a president is chosen, we have a big party and then proceed to eat him who is then also replaced by a lookalike . And this is how voting works in America.....until the zombies come. But that is a different branch of government. And that is how voting works in America.
The title you gave this clip is wrong. Will is not the new type of republican. He is what republicans started out as. He is describing what some people who call themselves republicans really are.
@@onomatopoeia162003 No Nicholas. Right now. Many many Republicans are not fans of the current state of the party. As described and as practiced by those Republicans, it is the belief of self-sustenance with limited intrusion by the government. It's believing that capitalism is the closest to a meritocracy and hence a better approach than others suggested. And a belief that people who have done no harm with their weapons should be allowed to keep them. We don't give a damn who you do or don't sleep with and who you do or don't pray to. But we do believe that in your pliable gender decision or biological demographics you are not entitled to any more or different rights than any of the rest of us. We welcome you here if your intent is to contribute rather than to demand. And in that will to contribute, you follow the rules and stand in the same lines as everyone else had to when it was their turn.
Please tell your friends and family to watch this show. It’s informative, thought provoking, and (for me) gave me somewhat of an inside of how news is made and prioritized
I believe in market solutions and I believe in common sense realities and the necessity to defend ourselves against a dangerous world and that's about it. Problem is now I have to be homophobic. I have to count the number of times people go to church. I have to deny facts and think scientific research is a long con. I have to think poor people are getting a sweet ride. And I have to have such a stunning inferiority complex that I fear education and intellect in the 21st century. But most of all, the biggest new requirement, really the only requirement, is that I have to hate Democrats. And I have to hate Chris Christie for not spitting on the president when he got off Air Force One. The two-party system is crucial to the whole operation. There's honor in being the loyal opposition. And I'm a Republican for the same reasons you are. So I hope your voice gets louder in the next four years.
See this is what annoys me about partisan politics. If you take a step back and criticise your own party, they act like you were never on board, because they can’t have you being a team player and disagreeing. Once you’re considered “out”, you’re a 3rd party and you criticism isn’t valid or objective anymore. Will stood up to people on his own side of the political aisle and instead of discussing the issues they questioned the legitimacy of his political beliefs for not saying he agreed with them. Honestly I wish more people were like him, knowing when we need to acknowledge a problem and get better and not being afraid to say someone is wrong just because they’re considered to be on our side. Progress is made by admitting a shortcoming, and pointing one out doesn’t make you an enemy
Well my parents voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and I would've too because he had good ideas but the problem was I was 13 years old in 2008. So I'd say it was 2008.
And..........6+ years later, such statement is still in valid. The principles changed and things matter does not anymore, bipartisan system may not be the crucial part of US government anymore.
Well, you are the party that's famous for "falling in line". Say what you will about Democrats, but when a portion of them doesn't like a certain candidate (be it moderates who don't like Bernie, or progressives who don't like Biden/Hillary), they make their voices HEARD, and loudly so. Moderate Republicans, however, whatever their personal objections, seem perfectly content to shut up and fall in line behind nutjobs like Trump or the Tea Party, and allow them to take over your party. So it's not really that surprising when you're all labelled as being cut from the same cloth, when you don't make any effort to prove otherwise.
MrConstantine02 most Republicans actually agree with Trumps values. The party is very united and that’s actually a good thing. The media twists the narrative and makes Trumps values seem different from what they are. For example, Trump has repeatedly supported minorities through an abundance of policies, and has helped minority communities much more than Obama did in 8 years, and yet he is portrayed as a racist by the media.
If Americans would stop assuming that there is a right choice between the 2 (lesser of 2 evils) parties we may be able to actually grow as a nation instead of getting stuck every 4 years with the same old bullshit.
+Sval Bard You actually don't. I vote Constitution or Libertarian. The problem is, you have a majority of dumbasses who refuse to leave the 2 parties and vote 3rd party.
Kinda makes me want to go back to registering as a republican. Been registering independent for the past 10 years. May be time for young moderate conservatives to reclaim the party.
kladivous I think thats great, the establishment wing of Republican Party needs to accept the Tea Party (libertarians) or Fiscal Conservatives and the Moderates (I call Blue Dog democrats) as well as the Religious social Conservatives. The problem is that the fiscal conservative side of the republican party left years ago and became libertarians, so the establishment Rep. Party is left with Fiscal Liberals and Social Conservatives, which gives you Big Government Religious reach into our personal lives. by adding the Fiscal Conservatives, Small Government and Social Moderates back into the Republican Party it will temper it and again make it the great party it once was. The Democratic Party has moved from Liberal Wing to a Progressive far left and so the Republican Party should fill that moderate gap by not moving left but expand it's left arm a little to include the Moderate Democrats that the Dems left behind.
DarkKuno Like I said, there's only a few left. So if all the ultranationalist zealots were to get kicked out, the GOP's strength would be greatly reduced from almost 31 million to a couple thousand I'd say at a minimum.
Hahaha...so during that segment they kept talking over Sloane and cutting her off and she hardly gets to speak. I think it's fitting that this video cut off right as she was about to say something.
My god we need a new sorkin show in these mad times, imagine a Jed Bartlett speech, or Will ripping into it on some of the stuff happening. Pity his style of writing is so heavy and must take a toll trying to write 15/23 episodes a series
Sad to say, while I may not agree with your views, I feel real conservatives are disenfranchised. You have a view that is always worth listening to, but I don't see that you have representatives. For example, I would shout at the TV when John McCain was running for president. However, I never felt that he was doing anything but trying to do the best. Where are those who represent the real soul of the Republican Party? Please support them. Intelligent and honorable people should debate serious matters in a serious way. Then come to a decision as best they can.
They all used to be like this. They always believed in market freedom, but they also believed in what was best for people not their pockets, they tried to help people not limit their opportunities. They used to support schools, hospitals, rural communities, small businesses, not just millionaires and billionaires avoiding their taxes and underpaying their staff. They used to help those who needed it despite the colour of their skin or who they loved. They used to welcome immigrants and new ideas, not build a wall to keep them out. They used to reach out to democrats for help and offer it as well because they knew even though they disagreed they had the same goal of improving the country and the lives of the people who live in it. I really hope they go back in that direction instead of the far right. I would love to see less division and more unity and compromise to make the country better.
Yeah that's what I think too. If I was able to vote in every election since the civil war (because thats were the republicans and democrats really began the 2 party system) most of the time I would have voted republican. One of my favourite presidents is Teddy Roosevelt. But I have the feeling that since eisenhower there was not one good republican president. And that is sad😢
The fun part is that it's not a new kind, it's actually what republicans used to be 20+ years ago. They where someone u could disagree with on certain points but u could understand their point of view, even respect their point of view because it wasn't coming from a corrupt place devoid of any morality. They wouldn't act like 5 year olds with a tantrum just because they didn't get their way on every single issue. Now they are competing against each other on who has the most insane idea of the week. This is why watching the newsroom is kinda hard, because when u turn on the actual news u get reminded that republicans like will have died out.
both parties have died out really both sides play for airtime money, and votes niether truelly want whats good for the american people or the world at large they just want to serve themselves or their friends in bed with them. as much flack as ron paul gotfor those letter about african americans he was the best shot we had back in 2008 for an actual honest leader. but yeah the entire system is pretty much corrupt from top to bottom cept for a very few amount that want real change and prosperity.
Everything he just said I why I stopped voting Republican. My first presidential election was in 08 and voted Republican in both that election and in 2012. The Republican Party has skewed so far to the right is so intolerant of dissent not only from the Democratic Party, but from within their own party that I could no longer support them. That’s not to say the Democratic Party hasn’t moved towards the extreme either, but it seems to me the shift towards radicalism started first on the right side. No place for centrists or moderates anymore it would seem.
Will reminds me a lot of dad, in terms of politic views anyway. To him, being a conservative republican means you do the most you can for the least amount of money humanly possible and using capitalism as it was meant to, giving everyone a shot to make it in this country
This isn't a new kind of republican, it's the old republican that was actually smart. just not like the crazy off-spectrum "republicans" we have today.
wouldnt it be funny if the republicans tried to find the oldest republican and he/she turned out to be the really old kind from before the parties switched. I mean it was the republicans that wanted to abolosih slavery.
God dammit, Will McAvoy and MacKenzie "Mac" Morgan McHale-McAvoy, I miss the shit out of this show. We could use this kind of dialogue right now. #MacAttack #ScottishAsFuck
I am loving how much people are struggling with the title of this video XD the title is fine. The syntax works. Just watch the video and move on. Read a book people.
Will is the type of Republican that I wish our two-party system had! It’s the type of Republican that I could vote for if convinced one exists in our government
Look to libertarianism, not the party but the people who prescribe to such a description, it has a ton of people who hold that base belief but vary widely in everything else, there are liberal libertarians, conservative libertarians, ancaps, cancoms, everyone
I am more likely to support Romney than Sanders if both were independents, but I can never support the Republican party exactly for the reasons Will mentioned
It's too bad that this video doesn't show the next scene where Taylor says that ACN showed 14 to 1, negative Republican stories to negative Democrat stories. Will's explanation was that the Democrats don't have the extremist that the Republicans do. Ummm, what??? There are plenty of nut jobs on both sides of the spectrum. And going after Romney, who is and was as middle of the road as they come, with all the stories that Taylor brought up earlier in the episode, showed that ACN New's Night really was just an anti-conservative show
This was back in 2008, Sarah Palin was screaming about her crazy shit and the Democrats were Obama's party. Don't pull this "both sides" shit to justify a bad decision.
@@heraldofoblivion499 What??? No it's not. This is the 2012 election coverage, not 2008. And the 2012 candidate was Mitt Romney. A Republican that is as centrist as they come. Taylor worked on the Romney campaign on the show
If the modern GOP stood for the things Will talked about (and if they were socially progressive or at least not reactionary) I'd probably be a Republican.
then you're a lunatic just as much as they are. such ideas are proven failures and help out mostly the rich. when a republican says theyre a free market capitalist, theyre mostly talking about cutting regulations so that more workers choke and die of black lung in the coal mines, and cutting taxes not for you, but for the ultra wealthy oil barons who have already more than enough.
Will perfectly captured the feeling of many of us moderate Republicans. We are here you know.
You guys need to really get up and clean house. These fringe whack-jobs with Koch money are turning your Party into a Ringling Bros show and dragging the rest of the country with it.
***** Nice to meet half of you.
***** So start supporting Sanders now
***** honestly the GOP is making so many slams against Hillary that while I would love her to show all of the those asshole up it would probably be better if she loses so the republican candidates will have to contend with a candidate that they don't know much about.
+bolomd Please speak up, moderate Republicans! I would've loved to hear from you during the 2012 elections... I was taking a seminar in North American Politics at the time, and you people were sorely missed... =P
McAvoy isn't a new kind of Republican. He's the kind that Republicans used to be.
I think he means the type of Republican he is expected to be today but yes, the title is a tad misleading.
Like in the mid XIX, since then nothing good came from them
@Zachary Van horn and you proved the point of the speech. Well done.
Believe me, we’re still out there and we’re coming back soon
That is...EXACTLY...the fucking point here.
My favorite part of this clip is it how cuts off right when Sloane is about to start talking, which is a running gag in that episode.
Sloan*, and yes. Im 4 years late
God I wish this show makes a comeback
You can imagine how much all the characters would be losing their minds over everything that's been happening.
Poor Sloan even gets cut off in this youtube clip :)
kbertan I hope it was intentionally edited that way. Very clever if it was.
Sloan gets no respect. You don't disrespect Olivia Munn!
Ahhhhh COME ON!!!
I'm fine staring at her
This was not a You Tube clip. It is an excerpt from a film.
This show is so freakin ahead of its time
Watch the scene where the guy from the EPA basically calls the catastrophic weather verbatim back in 2012...
This is a wonderful commentary, not only for Republicans but Democrats as well. We must stop being so polarized and hating anyone of the other party. Listening and not agreeing does not mean you must hate every single person of another party.
"The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition. When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges. “Both sides do it” or “There is plenty of blame to go around” are the traditional refuges for an American news media intent on proving its lack of bias, while political scientists prefer generality and neutrality when discussing partisan polarization. Many self-styled bipartisan groups, in their search for common ground, propose solutions that move both sides to the center, a strategy that is simply untenable when one side is so far out of reach." www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html
You can't find common ground with people like the Alt right that are so massively disconnected from reality. I keep hearing people say "we need to just stop hating each other" the ideology of the right these days (not conservatives but Republicans) is based solely on the idea of hate. Hate for foreigners, hate for liberals, hate for activism, and hate for non Christians. There is no common ground or understanding for rational people that can allow them to find understanding with people like that. I'm sorry it just can't be done. That's like implying we should find common ground with ISIS. It's the same cancer that creates both groups.
@@Strider91 the same could be said for the far Left. Especially the Squad in the Democratic party that are the most communist, uncompromising group of people.
@@Strider91 Imagine actually thinking the "alt right" was a pro Christian movement at its core lol. You know nothing.
By the way the alt right was undeniably right about America.
It’s rather depressing watching this 7 years later. Things did not go well.
I actually changed my party affiliation from Republican to NPP (No Party Preference) this past election because of all the same reasons said here in this scene. I believed in a lot of things that made sense and once upon a time so did the Republican Party. I stopped like being Republican when it seems the entire party's objective shifted to purely hating the Democratic Party, when asked to come up with real solutions to real problems and all you can do is deliver withering put downs of the solutions your opposition is coming up with then you're not doing your job anymore and I cannot get behind such people.
Years later and this is still relevant......
How relevant has this clip become in the past few weeks/months!
I'm no fan of Chris Christie but I damn near felt bad for him for the crap he went through for simply meeting the president at the airport. That part of the country was in crisis and it made me sick that people couldn't put their party politics aside for two damn seconds.
Yeah, I remember he was asked about his vote right after the storm and he was like, "I don't give a damn about that, I just need help for my state."
Jon Ericson I'm no Christie fan either but that was a damn shame how he was being dogged for working with Obama. They did the same thing to Arnold when he met with Obama. I think Arnold said" My job is to serve the people of California, not my party".
I love Zimmer's blouse! And I LOVE that Mitt Romney's pic is behind Will. Lifelong Kansan Dem who is proud of him for his courage to act against Trump, just as I was McCain. Bob Dole said that 'we should strive for unity through humor, or whatever works'. I'm not in TDS, but I wouldn't mind getting back to the place where reaching across the aisle was not seen as "exhaustive compromise" or "treason". It was viewed as ppl doing a JOB.
I like that, with the angle at the end of the clip, it looks like Romney is smiling at Will
This show would be amazing now
If only it was still on the air--or if they would show the reruns in primetime.
This series should be playing on a continuous loop on it's own channel....Until EVRYONE has watched it.
I don't know why it isn't being shown in syndication.
This resonates so true today for both parties.
It's year 2020 and the similarities presented are still uncanny. Come back in the next 50 years and that would be still a perfect description.
did those bastards dump tea into the ocean again
There won't be an America in 50 years.
Loved this scene. Loved it so much I had to search it out nearly 3 years laters. LOL
If all Republicans were like WIll McAvoy it would solve so many of the problems we have as a society. Unfortunately there are too many of them who have more in common with Michelle Bachman or Paul Ryan.
Yea well that's also part of your fault and mine for not demanding that these people be out of a job... its Kinda like having a relative that you use to like and respect but soon became estranged when they got into drugs and became addicted. You try to help them but they just keep pushing you away.. We know its a problem we just have to act.
hey I know you from TYT. I feel the same way as you do about the GOP.
they are almost to the fringes nowadays. compared to the 90's lol
Sarah Santos And Steve King. Steve King is an embarrassment.
Well, Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi are nothing to be proud of. It cuts both ways, and just as deep.
Posted years ago, but still timely.
Will is the good decent Republican that most of us wish that the GOP would return to
MJF there are so many of them out there. But liberal politicians, groups and media have ground down the term “Republican” to the definition of hate to a point where they have gone into hiding.
My question for the Republican party is, what happened? How did you get here?
@@jeffbrehove2614 Racial demographics & overpopulation. That's how. The reality is stark.
Very appropriate that you cut Sloan off.
Fans will know what that means.
This is a good blueprint for rebuilding the party after if follows Mr. Trump off a cliff.
Lets hope that Mr. Trump really are falling of a cliff
Unlikely, after Reagan's drastic changes it only got worse, likely the polarization and identity politics will continue until there is more widespread outrage like what we saw after the election. Because north americans are not as big on protests as other countries it will likely take more of a push to see any significant change. Not to mention that last time things were so polarized it took a civil war to de-escalate things (no, I'm not saying there will be another one as there is no sign of that and to suggest there is would be ridiculous)
well, The democratic party has been going right since the 70's
Keith Smith It's been falling off a cliff for since the 80s.
Nicholas A. That is true.
Its a shame the Newsroom is no longer on the air. I really could use a Sorkin written broadcast in which McAvoy tells the world his party is a sham for making Donald Trump the front runner in this election.
eabeckstrand imagine the episodes covering what’s going on right now. It would be amazing
I am afraid that now, less than a full decade after its conception, a show like 'The Newsroom' cannot get made and put on air, maybe even not on HBO. Too many people will get triggered, too many people will get outraged, too many people will say that its fictional characters are 'a disgrace'. It is amazing how quickly the world threw away the legitimacy of traditional journalism and how now everybody feels competent to have an opinion on every matter. It is shocking how quickly we forgot what facts are and how we started to treat opinions as facts. Or how fake news and alternative truths replaced reason.
@@drkskwlkr I always thought that was the main reason it was cancelled. First time I watched it I thought It was amazing, only from the first few episodes. Now, after I learned some things, I apreciate it even more. For a long time I didn't understand why it wasn't more popular. Now I have some idea. There are a few lines in the first episode, that hit hard : Will: "The social scientists have concluded that the country is more polarised than the Civil war..."
Mac:"Yes, people choose the news that they want now..."
Will: "People choose the facts they want now"
People choose the facts ...
Yep, right on! Perfect explanation of what it means to be a real Republican and a "new Tea party Republican" by Will. I disagreed with the real Republicans but I respected their right to their views and understood them, at least to some extent. I have no respect or understanding of the actual reasons for the views of the new tea party types and Trumpist Republicans. To me, a large share of them are not very nice people, not intellectually honest, and certainly not educated about civics, history, what it means to govern or even common decency for other people, just because they disagree with you. Certainly the founders of the Republican party and their decent leaders of the past would not like what has happened to their party in the last decade or so either!
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If only we still had McAvoy in the Trump era
Thankfully we didn't.
The Newsroom - Will McAvoy - Old School Republican
Title fixed. Have a nice day
Actually the title refers to the new Tea Party Republicans and not Will or any real/moderate/conventional Republican.
If that is the case, which I highly doubt, the syntax is at best misleading, and at worst completely fucked up.
fairly straightforward title
The Source - The Presenter - The Topic.
Not that difficult
***** There's a difference between using hyphens vs commas in a title
@@Nicdangered "Will McAvoy explaining the new kind of Republicans." Try reading the description, it's pretty unambiguous.
Will just summarized exactly why I do not adhere to any party. I do not identify as a Republican, because then I'd have to hate everything about basically anyone I care about in this world. I'm not a Democrat, because then I'd have to love everything about basically anyone I could give a shit less about in this world. Also, I refuse to be represented by a donkey.
I'm an independent. I do not participate in the mud slinging war that destroys every caveat of political progress in this country, by blaming absolutely every goddamn thing wrong with it, on "the other team". And I refuse to let some sense of team loyalty decide my opinion on any issue. I prefer the ability to think for myself, and not be questioned as to why I've betrayed people I never swore allegiance to.
+Angel Bowfinger I agree, I don't give a fuck what people think, I have the right to criticize anyone.
right on
+Special Agent of the Patriarchy and you missed the point where he makes a clear distinction between real republicans and the nut jobs who are pushing the likes of Trump towards the republican nomination and for the record perhaps you republicans need to be attacked because you let this shit fester so you can get your shit together
+Angel Bowfinger I pretty much have that whole monologue of his memorized, for the most part.
If you are an independent, shouldn't you know how to spell the term correctly?
I would vote for him in 2016 if he ran, because I'm a Republican and I'm just like him lol.
In the times we are currently in, there is no more important television show to watch than The Newsroom.
Behold the average state of the American. Reflexively going back to the television for political commentary.
@@TruthDissident behold the troll that thinks they know people by the comments on the internet
@@Clouden3 Must've hit a nerve. Hey go ask Jeff Daniels on Twitter about what he thinks on Roe v Wade. I'll wait.
@@TruthDissident Not really, no, but whatever makes you feel better.
Yeah, that was one of the funniest parts of that episode. I love the 'Come on!' outburst of hers at one point.
I confess that my exposure to The Newroom has, to this point, been limited to the very clips we find on UA-cam, specifically clips like this one; that being said, I feel that, as timely as the show was in its original run, it might well be even more relevent today, because the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower has become unrecognizable. If this party is to have any hope of survival, let alone redemption, to paraphrase the words of Mitch McConnell (referring to Obama), we have got to make Donald Trump a one-term President.
Its a bit dated at this point. The Tea Party wackos have been pushed into irrelevance. Now the Left has gone batshit crazy and law of opposites has forced Republicans into more rational, scientific, open minded beliefs. The political landscape has done a 180 and it will again in 5 or so years. Watching this show is like it came from a completely different era.
You're kidding, right?
I still find it strange that everything that's almost said in this show applies heavily to what politics is now and the show is almost a decade old
It's always the same. It's the same if you watch early seasons of West Wing.
Just STFU. The amount of comments saying the same exact thing as you are countless.
This is for NOW.
This to me is FORESHADOWING of what the GOP was becoming.
It already had become that then. He wasn't predicting the future, he was just describing the present.
I love how even in this UA-cam video, Sloan gets cut off
"AH, COME ON"
Spot on!
"I hope your voice gets louder in the next 4 years"......it didn't!
What do you guys mean when you say you're a registered 'republican/democrat/etc'.
Is it a form you fill in or something? Is it legally binding or just a survey or something (census?). Are you allowed to vote for other parties or just the one you're registered to (then again, how would they know).
Sorry for all the questions, I'm just interested. I've not heard of anything like this in Australia (then I've only been voting for a few years now XD)
When you fill out your voter registration, you can declare your party affiliation. This doesn't affect who you can vote for in general elections, but in some states it does affect which primary election you can participate in - primaries being run-off elections within a single political party to determine who will face the opposing party/parties in the general election.
For example, if you're a registered Republican, you can vote in Republican primaries, but (in most states) can't vote in Democratic primaries. In general elections, you can vote for whichever candidate you want, regardless of political affiliation.
Since the US government is a two-party system (Democratic and Republican parties) you can declare a party affiliation, if you have one. Take Northern Ireland, where I'm from, as an example. There may be different political parties, but the three main sides are nationalist, unionists or other, with nationalists in favour of a united Ireland, unionists in favour of Northern Ireland staying in the UK and other as neither. Each party generally identifies as one of these sides and these affect how much, how little and where they can get the most votes.
+Maddi Becke Let me explain to you. In the U.S. soldiers come to your house with guns and give you a form that you must sign to register as a party - Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc. Then they take you to coal mines labeled under each respective party where you shall spend the rest of your life in hard labor. You are replaced with robot lookalikes who then proceed to vote for who was registered. When a president is chosen, we have a big party and then proceed to eat him who is then also replaced by a lookalike . And this is how voting works in America.....until the zombies come. But that is a different branch of government. And that is how voting works in America.
slone got cut off here too... HAHAHAHA
I love all the clip also perfectly ends before Sloan can even talk
The title you gave this clip is wrong. Will is not the new type of republican. He is what republicans started out as. He is describing what some people who call themselves republicans really are.
when Honest Abe was President?
Just when the whig party went bye bye?
@@onomatopoeia162003 No Nicholas. Right now. Many many Republicans are not fans of the current state of the party. As described and as practiced by those Republicans, it is the belief of self-sustenance with limited intrusion by the government. It's believing that capitalism is the closest to a meritocracy and hence a better approach than others suggested. And a belief that people who have done no harm with their weapons should be allowed to keep them. We don't give a damn who you do or don't sleep with and who you do or don't pray to. But we do believe that in your pliable gender decision or biological demographics you are not entitled to any more or different rights than any of the rest of us. We welcome you here if your intent is to contribute rather than to demand. And in that will to contribute, you follow the rules and stand in the same lines as everyone else had to when it was their turn.
Will is describing and distancing himself from the new Republicanism. The title describes the news story like many of these videos not Will.
He just stated beautifully why I left the party.
I am not a Republican or a Conservative, but you should have someone to represent you. Even if I disagree with you, we should all hear your voice.
Funny that the video cuts Sloan off just like they did in this episode 100 times.
This was a good show man. Don't know why critics didn't like it
Because it called the media out on its corporate BS and bothsiderism. They hated being shown up and conspired to kill the show.
Please tell your friends and family to watch this show. It’s informative, thought provoking, and (for me) gave me somewhat of an inside of how news is made and prioritized
I was a Republican who switched to a Democrat because of all the reasons in this video! If we had this as the Republican agenda, it would be amazing.
I believe in market solutions and I believe in common sense realities and the necessity to defend ourselves against a dangerous world and that's about it. Problem is now I have to be homophobic. I have to count the number of times people go to church. I have to deny facts and think scientific research is a long con. I have to think poor people are getting a sweet ride. And I have to have such a stunning inferiority complex that I fear education and intellect in the 21st century. But most of all, the biggest new requirement, really the only requirement, is that I have to hate Democrats. And I have to hate Chris Christie for not spitting on the president when he got off Air Force One. The two-party system is crucial to the whole operation. There's honor in being the loyal opposition. And I'm a Republican for the same reasons you are. So I hope your voice gets louder in the next four years.
It doesn’t get louder. It gets diminished.
Fix your volume, I could barely hear it with earphones on...please.
See this is what annoys me about partisan politics. If you take a step back and criticise your own party, they act like you were never on board, because they can’t have you being a team player and disagreeing. Once you’re considered “out”, you’re a 3rd party and you criticism isn’t valid or objective anymore. Will stood up to people on his own side of the political aisle and instead of discussing the issues they questioned the legitimacy of his political beliefs for not saying he agreed with them. Honestly I wish more people were like him, knowing when we need to acknowledge a problem and get better and not being afraid to say someone is wrong just because they’re considered to be on our side. Progress is made by admitting a shortcoming, and pointing one out doesn’t make you an enemy
Priceless...excellent writing and factual and honest
When was the last time Americans voted for ideas instead of Party.
Well my parents voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and I would've too because he had good ideas but the problem was I was 13 years old in 2008. So I'd say it was 2008.
not ideas,but race.
Connor Murphy Although I was fond of Barack, I wish he could have done more of what he said he was going to do.
And..........6+ years later, such statement is still in valid. The principles changed and things matter does not anymore, bipartisan system may not be the crucial part of US government anymore.
When you realize three of the people sitting there have all or are about to play Marvel characters. :)
Most Republicans Ik are like this. Unfortunately we are labeled as everything he stated
Well, you are the party that's famous for "falling in line". Say what you will about Democrats, but when a portion of them doesn't like a certain candidate (be it moderates who don't like Bernie, or progressives who don't like Biden/Hillary), they make their voices HEARD, and loudly so. Moderate Republicans, however, whatever their personal objections, seem perfectly content to shut up and fall in line behind nutjobs like Trump or the Tea Party, and allow them to take over your party. So it's not really that surprising when you're all labelled as being cut from the same cloth, when you don't make any effort to prove otherwise.
MrConstantine02 most Republicans actually agree with Trumps values. The party is very united and that’s actually a good thing. The media twists the narrative and makes Trumps values seem different from what they are. For example, Trump has repeatedly supported minorities through an abundance of policies, and has helped minority communities much more than Obama did in 8 years, and yet he is portrayed as a racist by the media.
The problem America has is that there are only two options to choose from.
two shitty shitty options...
If Americans would stop assuming that there is a right choice between the 2 (lesser of 2 evils) parties we may be able to actually grow as a nation instead of getting stuck every 4 years with the same old bullshit.
Sval Bard You clearly do not understand American governance then.
+Sval Bard You actually don't. I vote Constitution or Libertarian. The problem is, you have a majority of dumbasses who refuse to leave the 2 parties and vote 3rd party.
That's what happens when a duopoly happens and have to get to 15%, when ya run
Man, these guys were prescient...
So this was in 2012. if it was made today you would have to add racist as a requirement. amazing how things have changed in 4 years.
They covered that with the RINO segment
Kinda makes me want to go back to registering as a republican. Been registering independent for the past 10 years. May be time
for young moderate conservatives to reclaim the party.
kladivous I think thats great, the establishment wing of Republican Party needs to accept the Tea Party (libertarians) or Fiscal Conservatives and the Moderates (I call Blue Dog democrats) as well as the Religious social Conservatives. The problem is that the fiscal conservative side of the republican party left years ago and became libertarians, so the establishment Rep. Party is left with Fiscal Liberals and Social Conservatives, which gives you Big Government Religious reach into our personal lives. by adding the Fiscal Conservatives, Small Government and Social Moderates back into the Republican Party it will temper it and again make it the great party it once was.
The Democratic Party has moved from Liberal Wing to a Progressive far left and so the Republican Party should fill that moderate gap by not moving left but expand it's left arm a little to include the Moderate Democrats that the Dems left behind.
Are there any moderate Republicans left?
DarkKuno A few, but they're all leaving the main Republican block.
shouldn't it be the other way around? Why should the reasonable moderates leave instead of booting the crazies out?
DarkKuno Like I said, there's only a few left. So if all the ultranationalist zealots were to get kicked out, the GOP's strength would be greatly reduced from almost 31 million to a couple thousand I'd say at a minimum.
Love this.
Market solutions...... What 🇬🇧.... Love this show tho
I love how you cut Sloan even sooner then they did
Hahaha...so during that segment they kept talking over Sloane and cutting her off and she hardly gets to speak. I think it's fitting that this video cut off right as she was about to say something.
My god we need a new sorkin show in these mad times, imagine a Jed Bartlett speech, or Will ripping into it on some of the stuff happening. Pity his style of writing is so heavy and must take a toll trying to write 15/23 episodes a series
Look up veep. Hilarious and on point satire, of which the final season relate to the current state of politics horrifically.
When did Brian from Family Guy get a cable news show/
1st couple seasons of Family Guy when Brian wasn't an arrogant insufferable douche
This is the kind of republican ive tried to be my entire life. Just get labeled the same way he described without any chance to explain
Sad to say, while I may not agree with your views, I feel real conservatives are disenfranchised. You have a view that is always worth listening to, but I don't see that you have representatives. For example, I would shout at the TV when John McCain was running for president. However, I never felt that he was doing anything but trying to do the best.
Where are those who represent the real soul of the Republican Party? Please support them. Intelligent and honorable people should debate serious matters in a serious way. Then come to a decision as best they can.
They all used to be like this. They always believed in market freedom, but they also believed in what was best for people not their pockets, they tried to help people not limit their opportunities. They used to support schools, hospitals, rural communities, small businesses, not just millionaires and billionaires avoiding their taxes and underpaying their staff. They used to help those who needed it despite the colour of their skin or who they loved. They used to welcome immigrants and new ideas, not build a wall to keep them out. They used to reach out to democrats for help and offer it as well because they knew even though they disagreed they had the same goal of improving the country and the lives of the people who live in it. I really hope they go back in that direction instead of the far right. I would love to see less division and more unity and compromise to make the country better.
Yeah that's what I think too.
If I was able to vote in every election since the civil war (because thats were the republicans and democrats really began the 2 party system)
most of the time I would have voted republican.
One of my favourite presidents is Teddy Roosevelt. But I have the feeling that since eisenhower there was not one good republican president. And that is sad😢
republican's used to be a lot wiser before Reagan
Listening to this after the passing of RBG makes me even more sad
I hope one day my party can return to the way Will describes his beliefs as a republican
Well Trump lost. I guess it's A step
why? he pretty much said he was a Reagan Republican, but those policies disproportionately helped the rich and hurt the poor.
The fun part is that it's not a new kind, it's actually what republicans used to be 20+ years ago. They where someone u could disagree with on certain points but u could understand their point of view, even respect their point of view because it wasn't coming from a corrupt place devoid of any morality. They wouldn't act like 5 year olds with a tantrum just because they didn't get their way on every single issue. Now they are competing against each other on who has the most insane idea of the week. This is why watching the newsroom is kinda hard, because when u turn on the actual news u get reminded that republicans like will have died out.
both parties have died out really both sides play for airtime money, and votes niether truelly want whats good for the american people or the world at large they just want to serve themselves or their friends in bed with them. as much flack as ron paul gotfor those letter about african americans he was the best shot we had back in 2008 for an actual honest leader. but yeah the entire system is pretty much corrupt from top to bottom cept for a very few amount that want real change and prosperity.
The "new kind" is referring to the people Will describes who hate gay people, don't listen to science, etc.
Everything he just said I why I stopped voting Republican. My first presidential election was in 08 and voted Republican in both that election and in 2012. The Republican Party has skewed so far to the right is so intolerant of dissent not only from the Democratic Party, but from within their own party that I could no longer support them. That’s not to say the Democratic Party hasn’t moved towards the extreme either, but it seems to me the shift towards radicalism started first on the right side. No place for centrists or moderates anymore it would seem.
Will reminds me a lot of dad, in terms of politic views anyway. To him, being a conservative republican means you do the most you can for the least amount of money humanly possible and using capitalism as it was meant to, giving everyone a shot to make it in this country
Capitalism is about maximizing profits & efficiency. What in the world are you talking about?
1:42 oh right there's also this as a requirement to be a Republican
Every time my friends and family ask why I’m a Republican I show them this video.
This isn't a new kind of republican, it's the old republican that was actually smart. just not like the crazy off-spectrum "republicans" we have today.
wouldnt it be funny if the republicans tried to find the oldest republican and he/she turned out to be the really old kind from before the parties switched. I mean it was the republicans that wanted to abolosih slavery.
Who's here on Election Night 2020?
This aged well.
What is amanda doing there??? Get her ari!!!
The republican party should be called "The theocratic party ".
Also, there’s been talk of a West Wing reboot; The Newsroom should be next.... with Sorkin helming both. I know that might be asking a bit much...
Sorkin gave up on the Newsroom cause he was apparently tired of taking shit. Trying to do it now would be impossible.
God dammit, Will McAvoy and MacKenzie "Mac" Morgan McHale-McAvoy, I miss the shit out of this show. We could use this kind of dialogue right now. #MacAttack #ScottishAsFuck
If only all Republicans were like Will
I am loving how much people are struggling with the title of this video XD the title is fine. The syntax works. Just watch the video and move on.
Read a book people.
This is so true! So so true. The new Republican Party is wacky.
Radical centrism
Hopper!
Only problem here is that Will did not really answer the question.
Will is the type of Republican that I wish our two-party system had! It’s the type of Republican that I could vote for if convinced one exists in our government
Look to libertarianism, not the party but the people who prescribe to such a description, it has a ton of people who hold that base belief but vary widely in everything else, there are liberal libertarians, conservative libertarians, ancaps, cancoms, everyone
@@na5567 Libertarians are useless. They'll never have any tangible power politically.
then you're a lunatic who wants to help out the rich and leave behind the little guy
I think a lot of Millennials need to hear this.
Now, GEN Z. (Unfortunately, they'd probably write: "Ok, boomer.", followed by hashtag for Yang, even though he dropped out.😏)
Remember the days you thought Romney was a radical? And before that you thought McCain was bad?
they still are
Seems upsetingly prescient nowadays.
I am more likely to support Romney than Sanders if both were independents, but I can never support the Republican party exactly for the reasons Will mentioned
Will Mcavoy - Original Republican?
It's too bad that this video doesn't show the next scene where Taylor says that ACN showed 14 to 1, negative Republican stories to negative Democrat stories. Will's explanation was that the Democrats don't have the extremist that the Republicans do. Ummm, what??? There are plenty of nut jobs on both sides of the spectrum. And going after Romney, who is and was as middle of the road as they come, with all the stories that Taylor brought up earlier in the episode, showed that ACN New's Night really was just an anti-conservative show
This was back in 2008, Sarah Palin was screaming about her crazy shit and the Democrats were Obama's party. Don't pull this "both sides" shit to justify a bad decision.
@@heraldofoblivion499 What??? No it's not. This is the 2012 election coverage, not 2008. And the 2012 candidate was Mitt Romney. A Republican that is as centrist as they come. Taylor worked on the Romney campaign on the show
@@alexh8613 Yes, and back then the Republicans were still far more batshit crazy than anything the Democratic Party had in its roster.
McAovy is what republicans should be, and not a trump supporter.
If the modern GOP stood for the things Will talked about (and if they were socially progressive or at least not reactionary) I'd probably be a Republican.
then you're a lunatic just as much as they are. such ideas are proven failures and help out mostly the rich. when a republican says theyre a free market capitalist, theyre mostly talking about cutting regulations so that more workers choke and die of black lung in the coal mines, and cutting taxes not for you, but for the ultra wealthy oil barons who have already more than enough.
Here's to being a moderate.
If Will is a Republican then sign me up.
Don't forget you gotta love pointless wars for israhell