What Happened to LEGO: Jason Todd (Red Hood)?
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2022
- Despite the somewhat confusing narrative behind the LEGO Batman games, one thing has always remained true, Jason Todd is nowhere to be seen. The limited appearances of the red hood character, the timeline beginning with Tim Drake, something just isn't adding up, so I'm going to propose my own theory on what happened to the tragic Boy Wonder.
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Honestly even if you consider Lego DC super villains canon (which I do even if I admit you do have to fill in a few blanks for it to work) his character profile actually can work with this backstory.
His profile brings up how he lost his family and was caught in an explosion before he became the Red Hood. However at no point does it actually reference him dying. It doesn’t even bring up the Joker blowing him up, so the explosion could’ve been self-inflicted for all we know (similar to this comic).
@@user-hd6ft4kh2n that's true, too
@@Cognito47 I would
A lot of fans have pointed out that the DC Animated Universe version of Tim Drake is very similar to Jason Todd, down to the fact that they were both street kids threatened by Two-Face.
There's a line in the comics where Tim legit says to Alfred "Cmon gramps, he stole my backstory", I wonder why they just wouldnt do Jason
@@bd1p the crew have said repeatedly that they used Tim because he was the current Robin in the comics. It's the same logic that they used for giving Dick Tim's original suit in the animated series
@@bd1p They originally developed their version of Tim before finding out his similarities to Jason, after that they started treating him as their version of Jason as well, because to do otherwise would be redundant. Until they recently introduced Jason to that universe in Batman: the Adventures Continue.
Jason todd existed according to a recent comic
Agreed
Ok, I just wanted to point out as a Jason fan, this portrayal of him as a hotheaded and reckless kid has only really become popular in recent years, with comics like Robins, Batman: The Adventures Continue & Batman: Urban Legends effectively retconning him into some brute, who got himself killed because he disobeyed Batman's orders. Though, if you look at the source material, this portrayal couldn't be further from the truth. Jason was a very sweet and caring kid, who always saw the good in people even when Bruce was having second thoughts. Sure, he could jump to conclusions or be impulsive, but what Robin wasn't? And the fact of the matter is, Jason didn't die because he disobeyed orders on the field, but was literally tricked by his biological mother into walking into the Joker's grasps, so that she could use Jason as leverage to escape blackmail that Joker had on her. The last panel we see him alive in, he is trying to untie his mother (who lo and behold, the Joker betrayed with his broken and bruised fingers, so that at least one of them could escape. Now I can see why later adaptations left out the bits about his mom-- its convoluted and way too dark in a story that's already horrifically tragic, plus somehow having a kid die because of his own mistakes is just slightly better than one who died just because the universe was cruel. Still though, it really does pain me to see how many people still believe that Jason's death was a fault of his own recklessness or brutality, when he was literally just a sweet kid whose life was robbed from him because of a madman.
Jason is literally my favorite bat kid he even if he skirts the line has always had a great sense of justice probably the best outta the family cause he doesn't see everything black and white and constantly doesn't believe he is even good enough yet still goes outta his way to do as much good as possible
You said it better then most could
Didn’t Jason drop a man off a roof and kill him
You realize how many ppl batman has dropped off roofs like honestly the guys better off being dead then being a vegetable or confined to a wheelchair the rest of his life
It's worth mentioning that Jason could be pretty aggressive compared to Dick and Tim, but his aggression came from love and compassion. Like the example of the rapist who "fell" off of the balcony. That only happened after Robin realized that he wasn't going to face justice. That's what it comes down to. Jason has an extremely strong sense of justice, and can be driven beyond what some consider reasonable to serve justice. This trend continues into his time as Red Hood, to an extent. Originally he was portrayed as much more sinister, and eventually they just made him completely insane. Thankfully that aspect has been mostly put to bed.
I feel like it would be tough to explore the "no killing" rule that causes the Batman / hood split in a game series where every bad guy you beat up explodes into multiple pieces
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Exactly, but this joke is given this exact treatment with Lego Harry Potter
No one you attack explodes into pieces EXCEPT Cedric and they joke that he can be revived using a lego construction manual
Character disassembling = death, rebuilding = resurrection
Really, death eaters apparate away rather than die. This is the one consistent thing lego does.
So technically, lego batman has killers all across the board.
I know they're separate games from different universes but lego humour always has its universals. But this may purely be speculative as older lego games were simplified in these mechanics and didn't try to infer pacifism in any way.
“Jason was reckless, impulsive and hotheaded, which eventually led to his capture and usually death at the hands of the Joker”
That’s not true and I’m sick of people pushing this like it is. Jason was feeling unwanted by Bruce, he wanted to meet his birth mother, and she betrayed him because she was being blackmailed by the Joker for embezzling from her job. And even after she helped the Joker lure him into a trap, Jason still died trying to protect her.
The only time I heard the reckless part was in the Arkham games where he goes after joker solo and gets tortured before becoming Arkham knight and eventually red hood
Bro i couldnt read the nxt line when i read the part where jason crawls to help his mom who betrayed him to rot in jokers hands, my eyes were blured with tears🥺
@@greasymonk3y this is actual book death in family original book
No, it kinda was true.
Bats specifically asked Jason to stay where he was as he chased after the trucks carrying of Joker’s laughing gas.
Jason didn’t listen. He went to that warehouse with his mother.
We all know what happened next. 🃏
Just to put it out there, Jason died saving his mom. He's so grateful to Bruce from giving him a home, and only started having doubts when a rapist could get away free while the victim turned to suicide.
All of his "mistakes" were emotionally driven because of his childhood life as gotham street rat. And all of the "mistakes" he's done were never about himself, it's always about saving/avenging others.
Like ninety percent of hiss problems are from the Magic mountain dew pit
In the lego DC villain files it states Jason died or went missing in a explosion so it's possible that Jason tried to catch Joker on his own but fell for a trap ment for Batman which resulted in an explosion but seeing how Bruce doesn't have a memorial for him in LB1 it's possible Bruce didn't recover a body.
This could imply one of 2 things happened
1)Jason didn't die but disappeared in the wreckage and was found by someone else to nurse him back to health maybe The L.O.S
2)Ra's al ghul found him and resurrected him.
or, he floated away on a parade balloon
@@bd1p this seems the most lego
The reason why there’s no memorial for Jason Tood is because the Batcave was mainly covering the basics as well recreating some interior architecture and tech from the Batcave sets. Though I could be wrong at that one.
@@bd1pcan i have a tenner pls
My headcanon is that Bruce didn’t think Jason was dead like Superman was in the one Justice League episode. That’s why there isn’t a memorial for him
The reason killer croc was in that set is because they were at the time making sets loosely based on the suicide squad 2016 movie, and as much as I love the red hood Minifigure they should have put him in a more fitting set
Red hood briefly joined killer croc, boomerang and a few others on the squad in an outlaws comic
That's why also Katana and Captain Boomerang are in the set.
Croc was also involved in the deaths of Jason's parents pre-crisis
@@ycastro2003 two face
So did Jason’s Robin break apart like a typical Lego death when he died and respawned as red hood?
Lego Joker hits Jason with the crowbar and he just breaks apart with a comedic sound effect and Joker runs around cackling as he steals all of his studs
I'm glad to know that I was not the only person who noticed the Animated Series' influence on the lego games and this was such a creative yet realistic way of discovering what truly happened to Jason in this universe. Bravo! 👏👏
Even the TT Games cinematic at the start of Lego Batman 1 is itself a reference to BTAS. Two crooks are running on the roof of a building when Batman drops down in front of them, uses a batarang to disarm them and then takes them out with a few punches and finally stands triumphantly at the edge of the building as the cinematic ends. An obvious homage to the intro scene that played at the start of every BTAS episode.
I remember as a kid, I watched Superman and Batman World's Finest and the movie adaptation of Lego Batman 2 very close to eachother and made me connect some very curious dots about the similarities between the Lego games and the DCAU.
Bet the joker just tortured him by tenderizing a steak too much and then blasting him in a giant lego pie.
In the lego DC villain files it states Jason died or went missing in a explosion so it's possible Joker didn't brutalize him.
Actually in the original storyline of Jason’s death he was not “reckless and Impulsive” at least no more so then any other Robin
I believe the set had Croc in it because it was around the time of the Suicide Squad movie and I’m guessing they wanted the movies promotion without using the word suicide so they made a Batman set with Killer Croc, Captain Boomerang, and Katana who were all members in the 2016 movie
There was also one with Deadshot and Harley Quinn with the blue and red suit. Parts of the SS team too.
This is all true and the only members in that movie who never got anything were Slipknot who died in the movie when Flag used the explosive in his neck when he was trying to escape.Flag who was a pretty boring soldier character and Diablo who killed kids in the movie by accident
@@BlackShadow01-05 yea tho flag was much better in The Suicide Squad
Also most kids don’t know who Rick Flag, El Diablo, and Slipknot are and they didn’t make enchantress
@@duckie730 oh damn ur right thanks for pointing that out with Enchantress and yeah ur also right about how all the characters were more flashy and profitable
idk if someone has already mention this, but in the intro for Lego DC Super-Villains, when you see the Joker stealing all kind of artifacts from Wayne Enterprises, you can see Lex Luthor's kryptonite weapon from Lego Batman 2, so personally I consider that game canon
great video btw!!
Doesn’t Lex also try to be become president again?
It's more of an easter egg i only think 2&3 and the animated movies are in the same universe
Jason has always interested me in since watching under the red hood, I wish there was a more affordable way to get his minifig
Same.
Yknow my main takeaway from this video is how fun it would be to actually watch you do lore essays on non-lego related stuff, lol, considering over half of this video is mostly about the animated series.
im becoming obsessed with these lego theory videos
Same, i just recently got back into the lego(and batman) kick and these popped up just in time too.
Fun fact, in a text file in the code for Lego batman 1, there is a list of all the character names, including some planned characters that didn't make it into the game, such as the Ventriloquist and Scarface. "Red Hood" is included in this list as well.
Ventriloquist and Scarface were in the handheld version of the Lego Batman 1 game. I remember him in the Nintendo DS version.
do yk who’s robin in the games is it dick and damain
I think Jason Red Hood isn't in LB1 because he was to new for people to know about, his Red Hood character was only made 3 years before the game was released, so the devs probably didn't think much of him or ever heard of him due to being tied to small comics
Great video! I always wondered why they skipped over Jason, and I always thought it was because it was too dark for kids to know that Robin the Boy Wonder was beaten to death with a crowbar by Joker. As for the connections to B:TAS, Tim’s costume change also happened in the comics, his first suit was the green pants one and then later on he changed to the red and black costume to honor his best friend superboy, but otherwise, it is eerily similar to the show. Also, this isn’t really related to anything but I never knew Killer Moth was planned to be in B:TAS, and it’s a shame they didn’t add him because I feel like that show could do with some goofy villains for once instead of complex tragic ones like Mr. Freeze and psychopathic murderers like the Joker.
Regardless of canon, neglecting my boy Jason is inexcusable >:(
i mean, all the robins are neglected. They’re oprhans.
@@bd1p not damian Wayne
@@ked49 he's a pseudo orphan
@@bd1pSince 2020 Paul Dini the writer/producer of Batman: The Animated Series has been working on the comic sequel to Batman: The Animated Series and they added Red Hood into the canon of the DCAU
@@The_Blue_Otaku yeah, maybe you should watch the video
Dude the character models updates we’re just to match the new Lego figures that came out in the sets back then
I always saw it as Jason being the Robin in the first game since he acts and looks so different to Tim in the second and third game. And that since he appears in Lego Batman 2 he died between the games. But if you pay attention to the way the characters act the robin the first game seems completely different to the one in the second, the one the first game is reckless and aggressive much like Jason. And this is probably way more than what they were ever thinking when making the games but killer croc decapitates him which could be a reference to the fact that killer croc killed Jason's mother in the comics if I remember correctly, but since nightwings in the first game that means it is after the time of Dick Grayson and since there's a massive shift in character traits between the first and second game it is not stretch to say they're two different characters. Also if you look at Batman's actions, you can see in the first game he's just happier and more chill whereas he's darker in the second game which could allude to the tragedy that took place between games
That is always what i have thought.
@@lawznwdsc neat
I always loved when games or shows don’t tell which Robin, Robin is. It’s up to you to figure out but Robin is definitely one of them. They just drop hints which one in the timeline they are.
It’s hilarious to me.
To me, I always think Tim Drake is the Robin for the entire Lego Batman Trilogy, since in a story arc and character arc, it makes since, considering how much importance Robin has in the later two games. Not to mention that the Robin mini fig in Lego Batman 1 was based on Tim’s original Robin suit, as Jason Tood wore the original Robin suit that was worn by Dick Grayson, but that’s just what I believe.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios interesting perspective
Batman the Adventure Continues has a lot of canon errors, like the age of Tim Drake, references to 9/11 and other things but it could work in this lego universe.
I know they'd probably never show it, but I would love an extended scene of Lego Jason Todd Robin getting 'killed,' his body falling apart like they always do in the games, and then smash cut to Ra's Al Ghul putting his pieces back together at his hideout
Slight correction, LEGO Batman 2 kept some old designs (Scarecrow, Clayface, Mr. Freeze, etc.)
Your point still stands though.
I don’t think redhood being in the lego games before family matters excludes the movie from being canon since LEGO Batman 2 had brainiac before he came to Gotham so I think it may just be that they wanted him in the earlier game but in terms of story he didn’t exist yet
well, family matters cannot take place in the same universe, due to it being the first time Batman meets shazam, but also when Damien is Robin. In the game universe, he meets shazam while tim, the previous robin, is active
did you not think it worth mentioning that BTAC started in 2020.....
the main reason killer croc was in that set was because he was in suicide squad
I really want a Jason Todd Robin and Batman story, I'm fine with it even being a limited comic series.
Same!
Another one of the similarities of Batman The Animated Series and Lego Batman 1 is that the start up screen for lego Batman is one to one for the theme song intro for BTAS
I’m really glad they didn’t just put Jason Todd Red hood into game just because he’s popular and actually explains the lore behind the character that isn’t just all silly but something not to graphic either
I know it doesn’t matter, but hearing TNBA be referred to as BTAS season 3 hits my ear wrong. The inner DCAU fanboy in me is screaming “ITS SEASON 4”
I think it's a stretch, especially with the killer croc set stuff, but it's an interesting idea, and there's really no reason not to be alright with it
This was such a well researched and fascinating video. Great job.
Jason actually wasn’t that bad as Robin
The fans killed him
The explanation of Red Hood vs Killer Croc kinda makes sense but ... Let's be real, they released Croc Katana and Boomerang in this set so Suicide Squad movie cast, Red Hood was just a good surprise or them realising that it's a popular character
This goes hard much love and thx for talking about my favorite Robin
How is dc super villains not a sequel? They directly mention brainiac and red hood is fully voice acted in that game
it takes place on a different earth
Is it because it’s post Lego dimensions?
@@bd1pWhere'd you get that from
11:30 2 If you count this green lantern not being John Stewart
Nice vid bro, Lego lore goes hard.
Just a friendly reminder that the Jason as Red Hood storyline was made in 2005 so BTAS would have no mention
This starts sounding like a conspiracy theory video at roughly 9 minutes in.
15:20 you also have to keep in mind that in this wave they also released a set with Batman fighting Deadshot and Harley Quinn
And that set you're talking about has Katana and captain boomerang and all of these came out around the time the suicide squad movie came out so part of me feels like that's why croc was there
I love these types of videos.
The Jason Comics for the DCAU were only released last year… meaning the games couldn’t have been based on them
Actually, I'm pretty sure the set with killer croc resembles more the DC super villains game because of the design of croc himself and also captain boomerang. But it still works because I think Jason Todd's canon of that game is perfectly compatible with everything that you mentioned.
the DCAU doesn't refuse to mention jason todd, it just predates the red hood reveal. that only happened in 2005, the same year justice league unlimited ended.
as far as lego batman, I honestly don't think it was an intentional omission. like I said jason todd was revealed as red hood in 2005, development of the first lego batman began in 2007, it genuinely might just be that red hood jason todd was too recent at the time of the games development to be included, the development team might not have even been aware of that storyline when they were working on the game. I mean, damien was introduced around the same time and like red hood he also didn't appear until lego batman 2
This, Jason as Red Hood and Damien Wayne were made in the 00s but they have only recently have been in outside media a lot, Damien especially
i think a more likely answer for why jason isn't mention Lego Batman 1 is that the robin were with is jason. if you look at the outfits and compare it to the comics the outfit robin wares in lb1 is very similar to jasons. Just what i like to think though as it makes my timeline make more sense seeing as i consider the games and movies too be two seperate canons.
this is my favorite type of content
9:08 i know i did not just watch the sickest transition on earth
I’m my opinion, Jason’s canon in arkham is the best and represent the true resentment for batman. because instead of being beaten with a crowbar for 15 minutes and blown up, jason is brutally tortured for months in a wing of arkham. which if rumours hold truth batman WALKS PAST in arkham asylum. being beaten for months and batman not trying to save him really shows how much resentment jason has for him: even if the arkham knight wasn’t the best execution of his revenge.
Jason shouldn’t hate Batman though, the entire point of under the red hood was that Jason didn’t hate Bruce for not saving him he hated him for not breaking his one rule. Arkham Jason on the other hand is just another tragic villain not even an anti hero
Red Hood deserves a rated M video game like the punisher game that came out in 05.
thank you bdipples
Would love to see more Lego Batman lore videos like this
LEGO Batman takes place in the same universe as the animated series and the Game developers wanted to take a friendly side so they didn’t include Jason todd story
Jason Todd is the reason I think batman shouldn’t have a robin.
This deserves to be more than a 4AM video for me
*And then lego dimensions happened..*
Which I believe is what changes the dc universe, putting gotham and metropolis together, thus starting lego dc super villains.
The big problem with this is that this comic was released well after Lego Batman 2 & 3 and is even more dubiously cannon than Family Matters and Lego Supervillains
15:28 they used killer croc because it came out around the same time as suicide squad. Also I’m pretty sure the set came out before the comic
Scarface being carved from a tree is from the comics. The gallows tree was at blackgate, not arkham. In fact the data even says it's from blackgate. And in tas, when wesker was carving Scarface, he was just rebuilding him, not creating him for the first time.
When they made LB1, Jason wasn't resurrected yet. No Red Hood persona to speak of.
The physical LEGO Jason Todd Robin's design is actually pulled from DC's New 52 era. I was gonna mention that appearance until I checked the costume he was wearing.
These 3 am videos are getting better nowadays
"If the game holds the same continuity as dc cannon"
Bro, it does NOT. It is based on Batman TAS. Jason Todd is not in Batman The Animated Series, and thus not in the lego game. And since nightwing is not in the story, only batman and robin, you could even argue that this robin is Dick Grayson (even thought this adds up in regards to clayface being alive and the height difference between Batman and Robin)
This is a great theory but I'm not sure if you should use those comics for this as those where only made in more recent years (2020-2021) where as the games and movies were all made before that in the 2000's and 2010's so I don't think this could've been what they had in mind for Jason but I guess you could find some way to make it work anyways love your content man
More Lego Batman Lore lets goooooo!
I mean you can say that your explanation on why red hood came in the same set as killer croc can work it does have a lot of evidence to lift it up but there is also just the reason of the suicide squad movie releasing the same year as those sets and the other set connected to that wave has dead shot and Harley Quinn and adding katana and killer croc and captain boomerang it has the substantial characters of that film and red hood was a very highly requested character at the time
I know it’s a dark story, but be a very interesting plot for the Lego Batman 4 if that ever happens
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The reason that croc appears in that set with not only captian boomerang and kitana is becuase the suicide squad movie was being released at the time. lego never put out offical suicide squad sets but to capitalize on the movie they rolled those characeters into other sets.
i always thought the lego batman timeline went like this:
lbm2-dick grayson's robin
lbm1-jason todd's robin
lbm3-tim drake's robin
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Well in recent years the position of being skipped over goes to Tim Drake soooo, I guess there’s only ever enough room for 3 robins at a time in one particular place and they’re certainly never gonna pass on Dick lol
I will say, while the games do draw from the DCAU, they also have Damian. And the Justice League is not based on the DCAU one it's the New 52 Justice League. It's much more of a mish mash then taking from any one source.
Yay more Lego Batman!
Sorry bht most of this is a huge stretch. Batman being trained by the league of shadows was a Nolan thing. And also most redesigns happened because the minifigures were redesigned for LEGO DC superheroes
I don't remember Lego batman 1 ever referring to Robin as Tim, so I always assumed Lego batman 1 is Jason, 2 and 3 are Tim, also makes more sense with the costume and hairstyle
Well with the recent lego batman family matters it answers the story of Jason todd
I don’t really look at the whole Jason was killed then brought back. It hurts my brain, so I mainly just look at the Arkham knight game where he was abused by joker but didn’t necessarily die
Ye even sadder as well 😢
13:08 why do I remember the first part of this being an episode. Like, Joker torturing Robin and exploding the warehouse he's in with and then Bats saving him.
Great as hell video only thing that annoyed me was the 1990 batman movie cause it was actually 1989
with most of the burtonverse releasing in the 90s, i figured it’s best just to lump those into that decade
in the ds version you can build a gravestone with a red hood n top of it in the batcave trophy room
I clicked on this video while I was playing Batman: Arkham Knight and then halfway through the video I see a scene showing Jason Todd being beat by the Joker
When Lego Joker hit Lego Jason Todd with the crowbar it just broke him apart like in the video game and he stole all his studs and that’s why Lego Red Hood wants to kill Joker now
Bro was looking a little too far into this when he brought up the legos
Reminder that Jason’s death was a result of a real life poll held where the fans voted on his fate.
Jason always had that darkness in it, the pit and him coming back made him embrace it instead of fighting it like he tried to as robin
Not initially
This is fun a video but feels less like a theory and leans closer to conspiracy theory. The leaps and bounds to connect btas with the lego games would make stretch Armstrong blush. Obviously when introducing the wider world of hero's the justice league would share a majority of similar members, but even in that GL and the flash are different people from the shows. And the redesign point makes no sense either seeing that the only character that follows this is robin. In on-going series' like games character redesign is done to keep some semblance of something being new and fresh like in the arkham games. I think the solution is much simpler than it's made out to be:
1989 Keaton batman is separate from everything
BTAS is influenced by but untimely separate from the films. Since it's a children's show they have limits on what can and cannot be shown, therefore skipping over Jason's story who at this point has yet to become red hood in any media. Electing to go with at the time what was the current robin and avoiding the connection to Jason possibly being murdered later on.
And finally the lego games taking inspiration from both the 89 film series and BTAS, but still apart from both. At the time of of the first game red hood was still a pretty recent character and not really suited for lego batman 1.
It's not uncommon for materials with a younger audience in mind to skip over Jason in favor of drake, as least until the series matures more.
That's just my take. By no mean was it a bad video, just a little too far reaching.
Adaptations of Jason's story always neglect to mention his mother's involvement in his death. I hope if it gets adapted to live action for a movie, or better yet a series, they include her.
Lego Batman 2 red hood was in every version I remember unlocking him on ps3
I would not rely on that new animated series comic tie-in, it breaks canon many times and was only created so DC collectibles could sell figures outside of the show in the animated series style
yeah but the sewer smash set came out before the comic had even been thought about, let alone being published
would you ever do any videos on the lego marvel games?
How does death even work in the Lego universe? Can’t people just be rebuilt?
Do you think it's possible to 100% lego batman 3 except the bonus level and final level without finishing the game. (Get all collectibles before the story is complete)?
i remember the lego batman 2 movie that they used for the game