50:34 - "I don't care if I lose my job at Stanford University for speaking the truth." - Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. This man is bold. You gotta respect that kind of integrity and character.
@@lorrainecallahan90 He and his teacher John Ioannidis will lose their positions and worse, if Scott Atlas is chased out of the Pandemic Task Force in the US government and Biden wins the elections. There will be bio terror. This is not about "left" and "right" in the White House, it is purely about POWER. Who has power to shut down all voices of disagreement and dissent.
I never thought I'll agree with Dr Z, for once he's rational instead of mocking & ripping people's heads off who question the status quo. For once he acknowledges the censorship in the scientific community, something he's been denying for a while. Brilliant interview & thanks for inviting Dr Jay, he's brilliant!.
Nice to see that ZDogg appears to have a change of heart and starting to speak about things that we never dreamt we would hear from him. Miracles happen. :-)
@@Buildingup2020 spot on. Hes a media puppet. Zero critical thinking, nothing outside the media narrative and even when he's wrong about stuff, like he is in this video, he acts like he's been saying that all along. This video literally confirms exactly what the Bakersfield doctors pointed out a few months back but now it's in a study and undeniable he acts like he was always thinking this way. Go watch that video back, the guy has no shame. Is wrong more often than the WHO and Fauci and that's difficult to do.
Me too. So nice to hear intelligent, rational discourse that doesn’t stray into divisive, toxic politics like everything does these days. For the first time, I think I can honestly say that the level of divisiveness in politics has risen to a level that’s killing people and destroying lives, and it’s such a shame. All so that incumbent politicians can hold on to their power. I’d like to see every politician who screws around with facts & science for political reasons tried for treason or sedition. Then gaslighting anyone who calls them on their garbage on top of it is just insane. I’m not a “Trump supporter” nor am I a conservative, nor a Republican. I’m just a regular tax-paying American who abhors politics and researches the issues in-depth. The fact that nearly every institution from science to academia to government has betrayed & destroyed the faith & trust Americans have put in them is disgusting. Everything has turned political _during a pandemic_ because it’s an election year. It’s very obvious to anyone paying attention and not simply ingesting what the news is telling us. So glad to have people like this, making videos that discusses the “taboo” topics, and it’s sickening that any of this is taboo or controversial to begin with.
THIS IS SO GOOD! I am a physician and can not understand how this is still status quo! Why is no one talking about the decreased deaths??? DrZ- the only reason this is not more viewed and not more popular than it is, is because you don’t support the narrative of the main stream media!!!! I get so emotional about this. So so frustrating!!
I think many people are confused and that's part of the motive of the psychotic cult behind 'covid'. the existing state of affairs(status quo) was ,as usual, set off by the mainstream media, and people believing things they shouldn't--apparently not many people no the truth from a lie anymore. from what i've heard from this guy, it sounds like he works with the cult to me.
Agree 100% I’m surrounded by people looking at the same sepsis mortality data that I do (it looks good btw) and they are so wrapped up in the fear mongering that they are being dishonest with what we are actually seeing. It makes me want to beat my head against a wall.
Thank-you from me and the people I talk to because we are getting afraid of doctor's and institutions which are medical They seem so cold to do this I mean the extra things The tests I recently learned were not based on T cells and for me that was criminal period anyway again? I have been and others too looking for people who balanced this thing ? For me early in March when it went up %600? I found many virologists enough who disagreed with the quote covid and this started me to further inquire * You and the doctor's virologists and other people who I learned from and the real nightmare we were all suffering through at first? Thank-you for being there
Yes yes yes. You make me feel less crazy. Your voice has been very reassuring and the people you have on bring the science without panic. So helpful- you have no idea! Light a lighthouse in the fog.
Right? So healthy and quite frankly comforting to listen to. Hang in there with the Benzo recovery. Props from here, that’s the toughest thing, I think.
39:48 “If I had to characterize the American response it’s exactly backwards. We have quarantined the healthy, and we’ve exposed the vulnerable to the disease.” -Dr. Jay Bhattacharya
Also "there are more threats to public health than just covid". Been called grandma killer more times than I care to count when pointing that out-as if caring about ALL things means you can no longer care about any.
@@brittanypape314 The challenge is those in the nursing homes. Staff doesn't live in a bubble, they have to shop etc too. So if they get exposed they can unknowingly bring in the virus. Most staff is exhausted from the lockdown since March (no visitors means no family and family can help ALOT) so it's not like they are out partying either. But they also live with spouses, children etc. Even with masking guidelines sooner or later nearly every nursing home is going to have a case in either employee/resident or both. I work with 7 different Nursing home/assisted livings-only 2 assisted living have escaped any cases at all-so far. My nursing homes started getting cases in June. Only one really had it go through pretty bad (it's also my largest one, and has assisted living directly connected to long term care side). They have been testing but until VERY recently turn around times on test results was 5-7 days-pretty worthless if trying to prevent spread. Of course they did the security theater of health questions/temp checks (those are truly worthless). All have been wearing masks since March in the facility. I am at a loss as to what could have been done better-other than rapid testing available much much much sooner-that might have made a difference :) And even independent older vulnerable population are now getting so depressed and therefor frail and falling and leading to MORE hospitalization that they are now at risk too. Have had many admits for just this reason in past two weeks.
@@brittanypape314 My daughter, who lives with us, worked in a nursing home all during the peak period of the covid wave, and there were no precautions to speak of there for many weeks. No masks on staff, no temperature checks, no covid tests, nothing. She wasn't checked for covid-19 until mid-June, by which time covid here was all but over. My wife is a nurse on the covid floor of a hospital, so there was a direct path through our house to carry covid-19 into the nursing home, and therefore we made our daughter wear a N95 mask to work. But there was no state or local requirement to do so. Miraculously no one died of covid-19 at her nursing home, but that wasn't due to any public health preventive measures, just luck and personal responsibility.
Same in many places. We need to fix it fast, since we cannot continue with the current path and destroy 2-3 million jobs like we will very soon here in the UK.
It was refreshing to hear you discussing the nature of science. Today, we are scolded and vilified if we don't "listen to THE science." Science in its truest form is always questioning, skeptical of pat answers, and refining and correcting itself, treating every conclusion as the possible topic of further research, "THE science," by contrast, is smug, self-satisfied, and cynically rejects any idea that questions its "settled science" (read "foregone conclusions"). For example, at one point Dr. Bhattacharya at one point said, "My agenda was to find the number. I THINK we now know it."
It makes my blood boil when ppl where saying "LiStEn tO sCiEnCe" These are the same ppl who will point to NY and generalize the outcome to the entire country. Fucking idiots.
Imagine if Mr Trump listened and understood this man... and then applied that thinking process to climate science. If Trump was down playing CoViD rates imagine what he’s doing with climate science ... down playing it trying to stay positive??? What does Mr Trump tell his 14 year old son, “science isn’t always right”... with our own biases ...how does Trump look at his grandchildren ?
@@themadmattster9647 Twitter and facebook were HORRIBLE in March. Took a long social media break and it's wonderful. Allow myself to catchup on family oriented stuff on FB once a month.
@@monykalynf3604 yeah, I took a sort of break until November 4th. I also want to see what's happening in Sweden by then, because I'll be excited if it's even better off than now and I post the WHO stats on that date (haha revenge! lol)
As someone who, at the beginning of the pandemic, pretty much lost her fool mind to anxiety and panic attacks, your posts and podcasts have been a lifeline of calm and rationality. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
You were not alone. I was considering suicide. I felt so hopeless and scared. I was getting tired of the anxiety and panic attacks. Life just felt over. Better now, thanks to the doctors on you tube.
The fact that the media could get people to the point of suicide because of a pandemic is just insane... Do yourself a favor, get off social media and live your life..I promise you'll be happier, safer and healthier without all the noise and propaganda in your life.
I also am losing my mind. But....i am 67 and obese...although I thought I was just overweight. Yes... borderline high BP and PRE diabetic. Yes I am sure weightloss would help these possible issues but now my mind feels...hell...you dont have time before covid gets you.
@@vicki7807 I know how you feel. According to the bmi chart I am borderline obese. I am only 5' 2". I have belly fat, I've had 3 kids. I am trying to lose it, but I feel like I'll get the virus before I loose it.
I've followed you for years for many reasons, but the conversations you've had with other healer-scientists during this pandemic such as Dr. Jay are the main reasons I stay. As a country, we need scads MORE of these conversations! Thanks so much, Doc!
Thank you for this amazing interview. I have been a practicing massage/cupping therapist 34 years. I cannot do massage on Zoom. I am an extremely healthy 55 year old woman. I am not afraid. Because of the censorship of the amazing doctors telling the truth which I have shared on FB; I have been cancelled by clients. It is an awful horrible learning experience of not being able share what I believe to be truth. My client that cancelled me told me that what I was sharing in my posts on FB (Pam Popper, Dr. Ioannides, Dr. B etc) was proven false. She attacked my character. It is really her loss as she will not find anyone to work on her the way I did. I am praying that people get imprisoned for crimes against humanity. I feel depressed because I am a person that needs human interaction. I live in Washington State. Keep up the amazing work you are doing.
I love Dr. Jay. I love Dr. Zdogg. So happy two rational intelligent people got together to talk. Was starting to question my sanity and felt very alone. Glad there are at least two well known and respected physicians who I can relate too.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate your podcasts. To not hear the "we're all gonna die" rants on one side and the "it's all a hoax" on the other side, and not be treated like sheep (I live in Pa) is just so refreshing. Truth! Civility! Respect! How unusual. Thank you, thank you.
My 17 yr old social butterfly son told me that back in March and April when we were locked down (Canada), he cried himself to sleep every night. As a mom, that was heartbreaking to hear.
sure it's heartbreaking; this is clearly tyranny in progress. I live in N Ontario, and in my town the AA meetings have been closed for the last eight months. AA is a life and death program, and many members would be back drinking that would otherwise be sober, and a number have probably died by now. a man north of here that was also very extraverted like your son, flew his plane over Georgian Bay last summer and jumped out after saying goodbye to his little son and wife earlier back in the summer. the suicide rates have been up all over, what is over nothing; it's absolutely ludicrous. I am a strong introvert, and AA was the only thing I had left really for any regular sociality--this is the worst thing that has happened to AA since the 40s, and I've no question that if this cult agenda tyranny doesn't stop soon, there is no future for any of us.
@@donalddrysdale246 that is horrible😢. Alcoholism is just one of many diseases that seems to be taking a back seat to Covid. They are making a mess of mankind.
@@donalddrysdale246 I keep saying, "COVID-19 is real, it's the response that is staged theatre". I am in OA and have suffered greatly without meeting face to face. For the first time in almost six years I've seen a significant weight change over the past four months. It's not about the weight but the weight is a red flag that I'm really struggling.
My greatest sadness in this is the fear it’s created. My six year old granddaughter is afraid to get “the virus” and is therefore afraid to go anyplace not familiar to her.
Yes my grandchildren are afraid to hug. They are reaching their objective. FEAR, we will do anything. However not me. Educate yourself and you don't need to be afraid.
They needed the fear to implement their policies, otherwise the public at large would not have gone along with them. I am sorry to hear about your granddaughter. I teach science experiments to students from grades 2 to 12 and it breaks my heart and makes me so angry what these policies and the fear are doing to our children.
Same with my little cousins. They’re parents God please forgive me are so brainwashed that they have made they’re children scared to come near me and say I need to wear a mask just to hug them? It’s so sad. They’re so scared to even come near me
I must admit, i came to your channel expected a 1 sided "we're all going to die" but I have been pleasantly surprised. I know balance is in the eye of the beholder, but it is refreshing to hear someone look at statistics and try to approach the data honestly.
Who else is back here 4 years later upon hearing that Dr. Bhattacharya has been nominated for NIH Director? I am on the verge of being excited that a scientist with integrity, education, and experience has been tapped to fill a role where his talents could make positive changes.
Yes, the improved treatments are making a huge difference. Even people with comorbidities are getting better at higher rates! Way to go healthcare workers!
And it was due to doctors and HCW sharing among themselves what worked and didn't etc. NOT the government "experts" dictating stuff. Actual real life working in the trenches medical personnel. Imagine how much better we'd be IF we HAD a functioning government and agency that actually DID coordinate the information, equipment etc-you know like we pay TAXES for that agency to DO ITS JOB?
Treatment have improved? Or the target population has already been removed? All ppl like Ztwat has done is block treatments for this disease, government's and WHO included. Only way we go back to normal is vaccine. Yeah, yeah.
Alex Bateman There’s no “target population,” and Dr Z isn’t involved in blocking or approving treatments. I sense a tad bit of cynical paranoia... Bigger overall problem is overpolitization of everything, and a tendency to go against everything Trump does out of spite. Does not translate well into cooperation.
@@filminginportland1654 Im not even based in the US. This is a global scandal. Fuck American politics. America thinks it's the be all and end all. ZTwat has been wrong over and over again. Won't mention HCQ as a treatment after his ridiculously rebuttal video based of a fraudulent study. Laughed at the Bakersfield doctors about them explorating data. Remember them saying cases up - deaths down. Guess what he says in this video. 😂. Anyone who relies on this guy for information is an idiot This disease specifically kills a "target population". People that are already vulnerable, the elderly and those with co-morbidities. It's said in this video. The flu is less selective. Keep yourself healthy, avoid vaccines and medical advice from people like zTwat and very unlikely you're at risk of dying from something as mild as covid19. That's not factoring in how inaccurate pcr tests, whatever they're picking up old coronavirus', dead coronavirus' and whether people dying in the majority of these cases merely died WITH coronavirus or from it. This has been a global scandal, fueled by corrupt organization's funded by billionaires. Doctor's have been a complete embarrassment, especially ones that spend more time on youtube discrediting the work of those in the field. Name one thing Ztwat has got right through out this?
Alex Bateman And yes, treatments have dramatically improved since this began when we didn’t know what we were dealing with. Of course they would. We’ve made terrific progress in finding medications & treatment plans that work quite well, especially if caught early on. That is well-established with immense bodies of evidence from all over the world. I don’t know who you think the “target population” is, but the vast majority of people who died _strictly from_ COVID-19 (and not from something else merely with COVID-19 present) would have died within the year or two from a good strong cold or nearly any illness, and a large portion of those were past average life expectancy for their demographic already. These were medically fragile people who would have fared poorly from just about anything sent their way. You’ve got to keep things in perspective here. There are countless things far more dangerous than COVID-19 that we live with every day, that don’t cause people to flip out and lock themselves in their homes for months on end. Pandemics have always been with us as humans, to one degree or another. This is nothing new, and this one was fortunately much less dangerous than we thought. Be grateful, and let’s move on, protecting those who need it but otherwise keeping life moving.
Jay, despite many questioning his motives and ideas for MONTHS, was right about nearly everything. Number of asymptomatics, and a lot of other stuff. Glad to see moderates gaining more prominence, when cancel culture has fed the hysteria that's going on and has people discussing YEARS long lockdowns and censorship of valid voices.
@@donikatod460 Fear of death. People's risk tolerance has dropped to delusional levels as more safety regulations are put in place. In their minds, lockdowns will absolutely reduce deaths but they largely ignore the deaths as a result of lockdowns. They fail to understand there are drawbacks to nearly every action we take and don't do proper cost/benefit analysis or risk assessments. The echo chambers of conformity and groupthink have been intensified with social media. Many view the world in terms of accumulating the most woke points possible and fully realize how one small slip up could cause them to lose many or all their woke points, so they are careful to go with the prevailing narrative of their 'team'.
I've love to see these men be as open-minded in a discussion with RFK Jr. People questioning vaccines are not anti-vaxxers, but they are anti pharma not being held liable for what they produce. Please open your mind on vaccines and understand why this insanity is ensuing for a virus with such a high survival rate.
Yep. Funny how if you said “penicillin is a great invention that saves many lives but can also kill some people” everyone would agree, but when you try to point it out about vaccines you’re an anti-vaxxer now. It’s like a f*cking religion.
I am pro vaccines. But I am cynical about how the various additives or active agent itself can adversely affect me. Wanting to have as much knowledge about what I'm being injected with and wanting to not possibly experience adverse effects is a reasonable thing to me. However, this causes people to conclude I'm a right-wing conspiracy theorist nutcase. I am pro lockdowns... if done methodically, holistically, and addresses the adverse effects of lockdowns themselves with the end goal of minimizing the death rate from covid, lockdowns, and suffering. Every action we take has trade offs that need to be accounted for. Again, that makes me a right-wing conspiracy theorist nutcase.
Well Said - I'll second that. Also, I'd love to see them explore an expert's data and assertions conclusions on excess Radio Frequency Energy Stress in bodies ... ie: 5G and WI-max / 5GHz Wi-Fi (which are NOT the same thing. 5G is 5th generation - NOT 5 GHz ... It's 100's of GHz!)
Both mentioned issues with their kids and something about partial paralysis, one was after the flu vaccine. My first thought was “it was the vaccines”. There is evidence that vaccines cause autism. They are both biased in that subject.
Dragantraces You are agreeing that many people need love and touch, but that not all people do? And those who don’t need love and touch are suitable for being locked down?
@@Dragantraces it is for everyone, did you know that studies are coming out showing that introverts are handling the lock downs & social distancing worse than extroverts? i was surprised by it
I appreciate this. I have been camp apocalypse, even though I have felt doubts. But science is doubts. Hearing you fill in the shades of grey on this and admitting the questions is refreshing. Thank you
I'm somewhat in the middle, but have friends in both "camps". The media and political tribes will try to pit me against my friends on either sides, I will not comply.
Dr. Jay, I am in California and I have met you several times at conferences and thank you for the "sane" science behind this.... Dr Z thanks for having him on!
So basically the response was all wrong. I’ve been skeptical of the establishment response since the start and have been listening to dr Jays common sense data based analysis since spring.
Favorite quote "Tired of people treating each other as just big bag of germs that they need to avoid". I've felt that society has acted that way since March, until late July when my wife was hospitalized 6 days for bike accident and saw how compassionate and caring the healthcare workers at the hospital treated her. Healthcare workers are amazing! Wish the rest of America had that type of compassion and caring for each other.
Thank you for talking to Dr. Jay Battacharya, he is one of the most rational, compassionate, informed scientist and personifies Spock! I wish you both have lot more followers and the facts spread widely rather than the panic and fear spread by so many! We cannot ever forget we are a democracy, we are NOT anything like China.
it's become more like China here than it ever has been in the last eight months: quarantined, forced mask wearing; really? it's exactly what the psychotic cult running the world has been trying to do.
This is something most clinicians knew in "their gut" all along. Now we have a study to prove it. Unfortunately for all nurses and doctors, the public trust in us has been completely eroded by political gamesmanship. There are nurses who have MBAs who understand the economics of healthcare - watch the bias of degreed superiority - really smart people are everywhere - not just the bay area and Stanford. Ain't nobody stupid - just blindsided by strategic marketing.
I remember when I first heard Jay, it was March 31st on the Hoover Institute podcast. He's been sharing the same message then as he is today, we knew a lot about this virus then and our political servants ignored the data in favor of slogans and politicization. I'm only speaking of California, because that's where i live, but the accusation can be spread out to many of their ilk
This is my absolute FAVORITE video of yours. My son in his 4th year of medical school recommended you to me a few months ago and I’m so thankful! Keep it up! 👍 I’ll keep sharing.
Dr. Z and Dr. Jay. A match made in heaven! What a breath of fresh air. This interview/ discussion was fascinating and calming and smart and thoughtful. Thank you both so very, very much. ❤
I so needed this! A rational discussion based on science. It helped me realize that no I’m not losing my mind, I’m just being bombarded with nonsensical info
I am one of those with anxiety. I was going crazy. I was starting to feel suicidal. Felt hopeless. I am a lot better now. You tube has helped me out a lot. I am not so afraid. Still taking it serious. I just listen to science instead of the news media.
I got so much out of this conversation. Im a middle income, stay at home mom of school age children in NJ. I lean left politically but want to hear rational discussion from all viewpoints and i think you all do this well.
One of the things I've found reassuring about Sunetra Gupta, including her work with Dr. B, is that she is coming from the left. To me it seems (in the UK), the compassionate left has lost all compassion. Confusingly, I find myself agreeing more with people I normally despise. For example a British journo called Peter Hitchens. All very odd
Thank you for hosting this honest conversation. I've been disturbed by the lack of conversation in the media about the very real public health cost to lockdowns. Job losses, mental health issues, lack of socialization, diseases of despair are public health issues too. I left NYC a couple of months ago, and it was heartbreaking to see so many beloved small businesses in my community close. Meanwhile, Amazon profits have doubled. We are seeing an enormous transfer of wealth and power during this, which (surprise, surprise) the media doesn't focus on. Many corporations are doing quite well while small businesses close every day. That is going to have an impact even decades from now. More public health people need to think about these issues too.
I can't tell you how much I love these interviews. I hope enough people start finally listening to you to drive policy and that those who have used virtue signaling and fear to suppress this science are finally called out for their role in all of the harms that have resulted... which are finally being brought to light themselves...
Fantastic scientific discussion! Thanks for striving to present the science and ignoring the politics. Stanford has been a leader since this started by seeking the facts. It’s a shame that politics and the media is seeking to present one side of an issue and not seek the facts. Love the Alt-middle! Keep delivering the evidence and enjoying the criticism!
I am 74, retired, test positive for TB (my mother had it when I was an infant). I have never had the flu and never got the flu shot until they started coming into the office lobbies offering the shots and one of my coworkers went berserk when I said I I wasn't getting the flu shot. Had worked with people who dropped like flies all around me with the flu...never got it. To keep the hair straight on this woman's head, I went down and got the shot. My aunt is 91, in a nursing home, tested positive for Covid19, went into quarantine with another woman for 2 weeks, came out and went back to her normal routine. I took vitamins from childhood because my mother had TB and lost the use of one lung after spending 11 months in hospital and having 3 major surgeries to take her diseased lung down. She lived to be 86...had dementia in her last couple of years. I have lived with depression and anxiety since childhood. My mother was a very difficult woman to be around. I considered suicide in my early 20s but decided that was stupid thinking and moved on with life. Still had depression and anxiety. Always needed to rock, either back and forth when standing or walking in circles or taking a fast walk or jumping one leg up and down when sitting or, as a child, rocking back and forth in a chair or laying in bed rocking back and forth. Extremely difficult to stay still...although I'm extremely quiet naturally. Usually find a rocking chair and use it to work off stress. I consider myself to be a rational, calm human even under stressful situations. I usually fall apart much later after a crisis and always by myself. I've learned to live with it and don't think about it much. Covid19 lockdown took a toll on me. I don't like being told I can't do this or that or being "protected" because of my age...go peddle your papers and leave me the hell alone. Go! Be gone, twit." Been taking care of myself for decades, do not have dementia, alzheimers or any other disorder, am not sick and don't expect to be. Expect to meet my maker one of these days with all parts working...brain and body. 😇
thanks Patricia. anyone that is sane and has a stich of common sense left, would find it hard to even know where to begin with this ludicrous year of 2020. I have been through anxiety disorders myself, and being alcoholic of AA variety, AA was part of my healing for 30 years until eight months ago when in my town, they have closed meetings since and still are, because here they have all been in church buildings, where supposedly we can't have more than ten people at a time. it's the most tragic thing that has happened to AA since the 1940s when they had the war and other issues going on. it is a life and death program and this is something I never thought I would see. I only took a vaccine a number of times prior to 30 years ago, which was around when I had returned to AA, and met a number of people there that got me into holistic healing--I had gone through all that drug guinea pigging because of the mental/emotional problems. I have been through indescribable pain in sobriety and prior to it, and now I am facing what is clearly a form of fascism. heard of David Icke? he was banned from his You Tube channel back in March for supposedly spreading mis-information about 'covid'--no, it was because he knows more about the 'Bill Gates cult's' agenda than anyone on the outside of the 'Gov', and they got to afraid of him exposing their agenda. he has been trying to get through to people for 30 years that the world is run by a beyond psychotic and mega-rich cult that has no empathy for humans what-so-ever; it's how they have murdered countless people and think nothing of it. billions of people are presently obeying a handful of psychopaths by wearing masks they don't need, which are to dehumanise us further into their agenda--this is the same way the Nazi holocaust began. people need to stop being so bloody naïve. the people even in my town in N. Canada where we still have some of the cleanest air and water in the world, that are driving around still with windows up and masks on got to be under a spell and are. God bless.
Watched on my day off. Worth it! Thanks for putting things into perspective and teaching me the appropriate use of empathy and compassion. Note... when I discuss Covid with others I always talk about hospitalization. We went 3 weeks with ZERO cases in my hospital. We now have 7 - now we have a different conversation. 5 stars ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
One of the best discussions I've heard you put out there. So grateful. I was bummed with the treatment you gave the Bakersfield doctors. Glad to hear you walk that back a bit.
Total agreement with this professor from the beginning. It should have been obvious to the media and politicians at the beginning of all this. Well done for posting this video.
My fellow med students, the deans of my med school, all the local news, and the politicians on both sides have all given into this hysteria and lies. Thank you for bringing in an expert and allowing him to speak without selective editing, editorializating, or defaming.
I enjoyed and appreciated this interview right up until the comments on "anti-vaxxers." With all the discussion of bias, inaccurate information foisted off on the public, censorship, refusal to engage in reasonable dialogue, etc. -- I want to know ZDogg's sources for his statements that when COVID-19 arose, there wasn't a peep from anti-vaxxers; anti-vaxxers were terrified of COVID-19; and when a COVID-19 vaccine becomes available, anti-vaxxers will be first in line to get it. I'm on two Facebook groups that I'm sure ZDogg would consider "anti-vaxxer groups", one with 900 members and one with over 10,000 -- and I have seen *none* of these things that ZDogg claims. What I did see was immediate concern that the pandemic would be exploited to rush COVID-19 vaccines through inadequate testing and then to mandate them, and immediate concern that a mandate for COVID-19 vaccination for adults would be leveraged to push for adult mandates for a wide variety of vaccines. As soon as the virus was identified as a SARS-type virus, people shared information on the disastrous results of challenge testing in animals of the SARS CoV-1 vaccines. People shared their research on both mainstream and alternative medicine prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19. There was lots of concern, but nobody was terrified. And *nobody* said "Well, this is one vaccine my family will go ahead and have." Instead, many people declared "There's no way I'll get this vaccine myself or allow it to be given to my children." So, ZDogg, let's hear your evidence for the statements you made about anti-vaxxers re: COVID-19 vaccines.
I know very few anti-vaxxers personally, but I agree with what you have said. Online and on podcasts, etc., I did not see any comments from these people running amok wanting vaccines. In fact, the opposite is true. Most anti-vaxxers are also educated, well-read and have an understanding of the V-a-x cocktails and the ingredients. People who are fearful lack the knowledge, usually, are indoctrinated psychologically, or have something to gain (pharm-perks, monies, etc.)
@Melissa Justice He may not be a paid shill, or he may be someone who is wholly invested in the time and effort that he put into getting his medical degree. Many doctors are invested in telling the mainstream narrative. It is a question of conscience, morals, and ethics. Some people can only stand behind what they can benefit from. I personally believe that there is more to life than the Earth-experience. I would not want to exit this life experience unless I gave my best to others, honestly, truthfully, and with integrity. The Hippocratic oath means nothing to most, it seems. The world is presently underscored by deceit. It is a separation of energy. Truth and dishonesty are opposite poles. "Everyone has an agenda." You heard them say it in this interview.
I would be considered an “anti-vaxxer” and I would NEVER take that vaccine, even if the risk of the disease were the worst. I have not heard ONE “anti-vaxxer” EVER say they would. It is a disservice that you would imply that when that community backs your research and concern over censorship.
Loved this interview, Dr Z. Keep ‘em coming, this is what we come here for and why we support you!* * and no, despite what the naysayers claim, we don’t blindly follow everything said as if it was gospel. Most of us who watch this channel are data-driven and look at the facts. We just appreciate intelligent, respectful conversations that aren’t afraid of being passionate when called for!
This was so constructive. You're doing a great service to society and humanity for hosting programs like this that allow healthy and needed discussion. Thank you!
Dr. Jay, thank you, thank you, thank you!! I am so glad to hear another doctor saying that the worst damage we have done is to openly support the idea that humans are not to be trusted or thought of as safe because of the Virome/Biome and contagion. We have ALWAYS been social and interactive. We have to move away from fear and look at the amazing ability of the body to adapt and progress. THANK YOU!!
Dr. Z, you’ve changed your mind on this so many times!! That is what has me subscribed and following. Science! Dr. Bhattacharya reminds me of science talks with my father.
As I was dropping my 4 year old off at Preschool this morning he said to me "mommy, I don't want to get too close to you because I don't want you to get the virus and die" my heart broke! My 4 year old should not be afraid to hug his mommy! I am outraged at how our children are being told flat out lies!
I don't cry often, but the thought of a 4 year old being afraid of killing their mum brought tears to my eyes. Our duty as adults is to protect them from our worries.
Jyllean Sloan oh come on when does a 4 year old talk like that? Im not talking about the message, but the way its said, i mean even if she did say that im more worried about something like that because of someone like you
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm repeating someone else's comment. At about 27:30, the discussion turned to health care workers working at multiple elder care facilities. In my jurisdiction (British Columbia), we have made this illegal and are working on raising the wages of these workers (who work at several locations because the work is part-time and precarious), both in private and public settings.
1:00:01 spot on. & it makes a joke to the vx's, doesnt matter how perfect thr are. & either way: no one reasonable - at that time - could have argued that was the right move. it still doesnt square. nor does the annual shots and variant bs. you think we lock down every yr for each popular var? ill bet thr is an annual flu shot, but we dont treat any of the rest like we do now. jump fwd a yr: it continues. the further in you go, the dirtier the data gets (likely uncleanable. and...str8 into the hx books as facts). and india today is impossible to interpret. & a fragile system hit w panic im not sure would look that different.
I had influenza when I was just under 30. I don’t want to do that again. I’m over 50 now. I hope to avoid both influenza and covid. Thanks for continuing to bring us interesting information
I have finally gotten time to listen to the end of this video while on my way home from work (I listened to the beginning on my way to work this morning). The comments near the one hour mark... give or take a bit... about a photo of two (Hispanic?) children sitting outside the 7-11 or some such place using the WiFi reminded me of this article from last spring. It’s not just poor families that struggle with internet access, rural families, regardless of income, struggle with access as well. But if you mention that to big city team-apocalypse people, they come back with silly answers along the lines of “well, maybe they should just move”. As if that’s practical during a pandemic and while people were laid off of work. Give me a flipping break. www.startribune.com/covid-19-pandemic-highlights-broadband-divide-in-rural-minnesota/569541472/
I had surgery at Stanford in July. The media had me so freaked out my blood pressure was sky high and I never have high blood pressure. I’ve had this surgery 12 times prior so it wasn’t because I was having surgery. It was freaking out that I was going to a hospital in the middle of the pandemic. It was the unknown if am I going to catch it when I’m recovering from surgery. It was the fact I couldn’t have anyone come with me to the hospital. Not knowing what my husband was going to do for 2 hours while I was there, when everything was shut down. We had traveled 12 hours for the surgery, it’s not like he could come home. It was the unrest going on and worrying my husband might get caught up in it because he “took a wrong turn”. There was just A LOT going on in my head. I don’t generally have anxiety, I can’t imagine how people who deal with anxiety and depression daily are coping....
At 1:06:00 LOL all libertarians. "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." ~ Ayn Rand
There are many people (“citizens”) are complicit as they support these government moves fully. For these people, these people feel safer and more secure with this type of government.
A suburb, intelligent and respectful discussion. No finger pointing, no blame game, no political point scoring. Why can't the BS media behave like this?
Omg 😳 YES! “We’ve favored the rich people who can survive this and punished the poor - stay inside, loose your jobs, get $1200 a month” “Or you go outside and expose yourself and deliver groceries” 39:50 Bravo 👏 gentleman! Everyone should see this interview!!
Amazing discussion...I want to share it with everyone I know but I can’t take the blow back. I said to my wife in March...we’ve fallen in the water and instead of swimming we’re holding our breath. Good luck with that...🤔
You are better off with the blowback of striving to have people come to their senses and reel in their fear than the grief that will fall from the wrecked economy, the increased destitution and hunger rampant in the population from the planned destruction of the economy.
I wish I had a box of popcorn as I watched this, it was SO good. SO refreshing to watch intelligent individuals discuss this crisis (in all its facets) with real honesty and objectivity, free from agenda or spin. Obviously we all make our own conclusions, and maybe others will disagree, but I kept saying, "Yes! Exactly!" to everything said here. Thank you.
In Ky my 6 year old grandchild is sooo sad and actually they got to go for 2 days.... she was extremely happy even though they were placed in what she called a “clear jail” to eat lunch and in class. They didn’t get recess but she said “we got to have mask break a few times and walk around the school outside” but they were social distanced and only a few kids at a time. No play time !!! It’s just unbelievable and so disheartening!!! The powers to be that are continuing this extreme fear mongering for whatever reasons.... be it political gain, monetary gain with immunizations and all other conspiracy theories out there that I used to think was crazy, should be extremely ashamed of themselves and know karma will get them !!
So refreshing to hear someone speaking rationally and with purpose. The discussion surrounding schools and the impact of closures hits home. Our daughter in Grade 10 moved to a new school this year and went in person at first, but with limited interaction allowed, masks covering up facial expressions, and the distancing measures lead her to want to do online. Now in a much tougher class online our normally honors student is struggling and not accepting help. Basically giving up on improving herself and is even more socially distant than before.
Dr. Jay is definitely more intelligent than Zubin ... but even he is working on false premises. GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out. SARS Cov2 has yet to satisfy the Koch Postulates. So whatever is testing positive cannot be traced to any one source ... whether that source is SARS Cov2 lab-engineered, the flu virus, the flu shot using attenuated flu virus from last year's flu season, goat swabs, papaya fruit swabs, the common cold coronavirus, etc. A positive test using a generic test cannot identify a specific virus, which then cannot establish a Covid-19 infection case. So what does 0.2% case fatality rate really mean? Neither of these two doctors, the expert (Jay) and the expletive (Zubin) ... are being scientific. The case fatality rate is being fully attributed to SARS Cov2. But there's a strong reason to suspect that most positive so-called Covid tests ... are the result of an influenza strain, after all, the Northern Hemisphere was transiting through flu season at the height of the testing. Which then has the potential to take the actual case fatality rate below 0.2% ... all the way down to even as low as 0% (statistically rounding off). In the end, both Jay and Zubin are engaging in a pseudoscientific discussion that sounds plausible, but cannot possibly be scientific in the absence of the Koch Postulates ... and the concomitant absence of a specificty test for Covid-19. Pax UncleZook
@@rickyjensen8703 The original Koch Postulates were used for bacterial infections ... but after the electron microscope was invented and these things called viruses/exosomes came into resolution ... the postulates were modified to understand infection by any pathogenic source. Isolation. Purification. Capacity to induce infection in healthy animals. If you have proof to the contrary, please let me know. Pax UncleZook
So much common sense in this that it almost hurts! Thank you so very much the both of you guys! A real breath of fresh air! Exactly how scientists, doctors and infact humans should communicate and think.
Thank you for a great show and confirming many of my thoughts. I wish more people looked at the science with open minds. As a teacher in an inner city school I wholeheartedly agree we need to open schools. School through Zoom is not effective for the majority of students. We have some students in persona and some virtual and there is a noticeable change in the students' behavior and mental health.
I am a 19 year old college student and zoom classes are why I will be dropping out of college to enter the trades. Call me whatever you want to, but I cannot focus in a zoom classroom and I will not be wasting my money any longer on people that care nothing for educating.
Thank you for finally coming to this. I was frustrated with you early on Dr Zdog because you were not willing to 'go here' and actually had quite the opposite take...so THANK YOu for continuing to be open, for continuing to question and for having the hard but necessary conversations!
This physician is one of my favorite people speaking out on COVID. I signed onto the Great Barrington Declaration when it came out. ZDogg...this is one of the best videos you have done on the pandemic.
I can breathe again listening to you. My problem wasn’t anxiety but despair of ever hearing even handed cogent analysis again. Thank you for your clarity and what you have learned v. what you still deem speculative. And on understanding our social context of health. Love and mad respect to you both.
I have a question: isnt one scenario that the SARS cov2 just wanes and leaves the population. Isn’t that what happens with coronavirus of SARS and MERS?
We dont know, But we will learn and until we know be responsible. Thats what we are doing in Sweden right now. Would like to see you having a talk with Anders Tegnell.
Thank you for this conversation, discussion of data, and talking about what we know and don't know. We need more of this so please keep doing what you are doing!
Dr jay, sincerest thanks for your constant clear messaging around covid from very early on! You’re a warrior in a climate of outrage/ lies and prolific misinformation. Keep strong and know you have so much support behind you, and the truth will prevail.
Really good discussion, two things that concern me I wish you had talked about is 1- Dr Birx said "we are very liberal in our counting of deaths, if you die WITH covid, you are recorded as dying OF covid." How are we not over counting deaths with that criteria? 2 - Who benefits from lockdowns? Vaccine developers benefit as it greatly delays herd immunity. If a strong herd immunity was developed, far fewer people would need the vaccine. I remember some CEO saying every single person was going to need to be vaccinated and then have papers proving it before they function in society. Scary stuff.
50:34 - "I don't care if I lose my job at Stanford University for speaking the truth." - Dr. Jay Bhattacharya. This man is bold. You gotta respect that kind of integrity and character.
Sad that he probably will
I admire those professionals who will do the "right thing". The sentence, "I don't know" is a valid answer until "we' do know."
@@lorrainecallahan90 He and his teacher John Ioannidis will lose their positions and worse, if Scott Atlas is chased out of the Pandemic Task Force in the US government and Biden wins the elections. There will be bio terror. This is not about "left" and "right" in the White House, it is purely about POWER. Who has power to shut down all voices of disagreement and dissent.
@@lenablochmusic - great comment
"Integrity" hardly! Control opposition is more like it !!
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.
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H. L. Mencken
no take the jab. covid and hiv in it. Bad
I never thought I'll agree with Dr Z, for once he's rational instead of mocking & ripping people's heads off who question the status quo. For once he acknowledges the censorship in the scientific community, something he's been denying for a while. Brilliant interview & thanks for inviting Dr Jay, he's brilliant!.
Precious One
Agreed. This is completely out of character.
Agreed. He’s usually just a total ass. Remember when he mocked vaccine Injured kids? Classy guy.
Nice to see that ZDogg appears to have a change of heart and starting to speak about things that we never dreamt we would hear from him. Miracles happen. :-)
He has been defending the status until now. What changed?
I came here to say the same thing!
This interview should have MILLIONS of views.
Nothing Ztwat does deserves millions of views.
@@Buildingup2020 spot on. Hes a media puppet. Zero critical thinking, nothing outside the media narrative and even when he's wrong about stuff, like he is in this video, he acts like he's been saying that all along. This video literally confirms exactly what the Bakersfield doctors pointed out a few months back but now it's in a study and undeniable he acts like he was always thinking this way. Go watch that video back, the guy has no shame. Is wrong more often than the WHO and Fauci and that's difficult to do.
Buildingup2020 elaboration?
Help it along; share, share, share. I have.
@@cypherknot idiot. 🤦♂️
I could listen to Dr. Jay all day long. What an immensely intelligent human being! Thanks for having him on Z.
Agreed!! Dr Z has been on a roll with the guests lately!!!
But aren't all of us Bay Area ppl stupid snowflakes.
Me too. So nice to hear intelligent, rational discourse that doesn’t stray into divisive, toxic politics like everything does these days. For the first time, I think I can honestly say that the level of divisiveness in politics has risen to a level that’s killing people and destroying lives, and it’s such a shame. All so that incumbent politicians can hold on to their power. I’d like to see every politician who screws around with facts & science for political reasons tried for treason or sedition. Then gaslighting anyone who calls them on their garbage on top of it is just insane.
I’m not a “Trump supporter” nor am I a conservative, nor a Republican. I’m just a regular tax-paying American who abhors politics and researches the issues in-depth. The fact that nearly every institution from science to academia to government has betrayed & destroyed the faith & trust Americans have put in them is disgusting. Everything has turned political _during a pandemic_ because it’s an election year. It’s very obvious to anyone paying attention and not simply ingesting what the news is telling us.
So glad to have people like this, making videos that discusses the “taboo” topics, and it’s sickening that any of this is taboo or controversial to begin with.
Janice LGo ?? What are you talking about? Who said that?
THIS IS SO GOOD! I am a physician and can not understand how this is still status quo! Why is no one talking about the decreased deaths??? DrZ- the only reason this is not more viewed and not more popular than it is, is because you don’t support the narrative of the main stream media!!!! I get so emotional about this. So so frustrating!!
this video was about the decrease in death rate, what do you mean?
My Dr signed the Barrington Declaration!
I think many people are confused and that's part of the motive of the psychotic cult behind 'covid'. the existing state of affairs(status quo) was ,as usual, set off by the mainstream media, and people believing things they shouldn't--apparently not many people no the truth from a lie anymore. from what i've heard from this guy, it sounds like he works with the cult to me.
Agree 100% I’m surrounded by people looking at the same sepsis mortality data that I do (it looks good btw) and they are so wrapped up in the fear mongering that they are being dishonest with what we are actually seeing. It makes me want to beat my head against a wall.
Thank-you from me and the people I talk to because we are getting afraid of doctor's and institutions which are medical They seem so cold to do this I mean the extra things The tests I recently learned were not based on T cells and for me that was criminal period anyway again? I have been and others too looking for people who balanced this thing ? For me early in March when it went up %600? I found many virologists enough who disagreed with the quote covid and this started me to further inquire * You and the doctor's virologists and other people who I learned from and the real nightmare we were all suffering through at first? Thank-you for being there
Yes yes yes. You make me feel less crazy. Your voice has been very reassuring and the people you have on bring the science without panic. So helpful- you have no idea! Light a lighthouse in the fog.
Right? So healthy and quite frankly comforting to listen to. Hang in there with the Benzo recovery. Props from here, that’s the toughest thing, I think.
39:48 “If I had to characterize the American response it’s exactly backwards. We have quarantined the healthy, and we’ve exposed the vulnerable to the disease.” -Dr. Jay Bhattacharya
Also "there are more threats to public health than just covid". Been called
grandma killer more times than I care to count when pointing that out-as if caring about ALL things means you can no longer care about any.
I'm truly wondering, what have we done to expose the vulnerable to the disease?
@@brittanypape314 The challenge is those in the nursing homes. Staff doesn't live in a bubble, they have to shop etc too. So if they get exposed they can unknowingly bring in the virus. Most staff is exhausted from the lockdown since March (no visitors means no family and family can help ALOT) so it's not like they are out partying either. But they also live with spouses, children etc. Even with masking guidelines sooner or later nearly every nursing home is going to have a case in either employee/resident or both. I work with 7 different Nursing home/assisted livings-only 2 assisted living have escaped any cases at all-so far. My nursing homes started getting cases in June. Only one really had it go through pretty bad (it's also my largest one, and has assisted living directly connected to long term care side). They have been testing but until VERY recently turn around times on test results was 5-7 days-pretty worthless if trying to prevent spread. Of course they did the security theater of health questions/temp checks (those are truly worthless). All have been wearing masks since March in the facility.
I am at a loss as to what could have been done better-other than rapid testing available much much much sooner-that might have made a difference :) And even independent older vulnerable population are now getting so depressed and therefor frail and falling and leading to MORE hospitalization that they are now at risk too. Have had many admits for just this reason in past two weeks.
@@brittanypape314 My daughter, who lives with us, worked in a nursing home all during the peak period of the covid wave, and there were no precautions to speak of there for many weeks. No masks on staff, no temperature checks, no covid tests, nothing. She wasn't checked for covid-19 until mid-June, by which time covid here was all but over. My wife is a nurse on the covid floor of a hospital, so there was a direct path through our house to carry covid-19 into the nursing home, and therefore we made our daughter wear a N95 mask to work. But there was no state or local requirement to do so. Miraculously no one died of covid-19 at her nursing home, but that wasn't due to any public health preventive measures, just luck and personal responsibility.
Same in many places. We need to fix it fast, since we cannot continue with the current path and destroy 2-3 million jobs like we will very soon here in the UK.
It was refreshing to hear you discussing the nature of science. Today, we are scolded and vilified if we don't "listen to THE science." Science in its truest form is always questioning, skeptical of pat answers, and refining and correcting itself, treating every conclusion as the possible topic of further research, "THE science," by contrast, is smug, self-satisfied, and cynically rejects any idea that questions its "settled science" (read "foregone conclusions"). For example, at one point Dr. Bhattacharya at one point said, "My agenda was to find the number. I THINK we now know it."
It makes my blood boil when ppl where saying "LiStEn tO sCiEnCe" These are the same ppl who will point to NY and generalize the outcome to the entire country. Fucking idiots.
Imagine if Mr Trump listened and understood this man... and then applied that thinking process to climate science. If Trump was down playing CoViD rates imagine what he’s doing with climate science ... down playing it trying to stay positive??? What does Mr Trump tell his 14 year old son, “science isn’t always right”... with our own biases ...how does Trump look at his grandchildren ?
great post- the people who vilify and scold and shame are not helping the crisis, they're feeding it.
@@themadmattster9647 Twitter and facebook were HORRIBLE in March. Took a long social media break and it's wonderful. Allow myself to catchup on family oriented stuff on FB once a month.
@@monykalynf3604 yeah, I took a sort of break until November 4th. I also want to see what's happening in Sweden by then, because I'll be excited if it's even better off than now and I post the WHO stats on that date (haha revenge! lol)
As someone who, at the beginning of the pandemic, pretty much lost her fool mind to anxiety and panic attacks, your posts and podcasts have been a lifeline of calm and rationality. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
You were not alone. I was considering suicide. I felt so hopeless and scared. I was getting tired of the anxiety and panic attacks. Life just felt over. Better now, thanks to the doctors on you tube.
The fact that the media could get people to the point of suicide because of a pandemic is just insane... Do yourself a favor, get off social media and live your life..I promise you'll be happier, safer and healthier without all the noise and propaganda in your life.
News covering hospitals lying about the coronavirus deaths ua-cam.com/video/_GAfYbYwFUs/v-deo.html
I also am losing my mind. But....i am 67 and obese...although I thought I was just overweight. Yes... borderline high BP and PRE diabetic. Yes I am sure weightloss would help these possible issues but now my mind feels...hell...you dont have time before covid gets you.
@@vicki7807 I know how you feel. According to the bmi chart I am borderline obese. I am only 5' 2". I have belly fat, I've had 3 kids. I am trying to lose it, but I feel like I'll get the virus before I loose it.
I've followed you for years for many reasons, but the conversations you've had with other healer-scientists during this pandemic such as Dr. Jay are the main reasons I stay. As a country, we need scads MORE of these conversations! Thanks so much, Doc!
One of the best in a while Z.... hat tip to you and Dr B! - Stanford don't you dare reprimand this man - all we want is TRUTH, nothing more
Thank you for this amazing interview. I have been a practicing massage/cupping therapist 34 years. I cannot do massage on Zoom. I am an extremely healthy 55 year old woman. I am not afraid. Because of the censorship of the amazing doctors telling the truth which I have shared on FB; I have been cancelled by clients. It is an awful horrible learning experience of not being able share what I believe to be truth. My client that cancelled me told me that what I was sharing in my posts on FB (Pam Popper, Dr. Ioannides, Dr. B etc) was proven false. She attacked my character. It is really her loss as she will not find anyone to work on her the way I did. I am praying that people get imprisoned for crimes against humanity. I feel depressed because I am a person that needs human interaction. I live in Washington State. Keep up the amazing work you are doing.
All we want is as close to the truth as we can get using logic, open discourse, scientific principles.
I love Dr. Jay. I love Dr. Zdogg. So happy two rational intelligent people got together to talk. Was starting to question my sanity and felt very alone. Glad there are at least two well known and respected physicians who I can relate too.
most are censorred and deleted. nobel prize winner and vp of pfizer have been muted due to saying dont take it. See BitChute
How freaking refreshing to hear rational conversation!! Dr. Jay is BRILLIANT! Thank you both 🚑🚑
Open up the world! Don’t burn down the village to save one house!!!
It’s for a bigger plan. Look up The Great Reset
Counting sheeple to determine the opposition. Baa
Yup
I can't tell you how much I appreciate your podcasts. To not hear the "we're all gonna die" rants on one side and the "it's all a hoax" on the other side, and not be treated like sheep (I live in Pa) is just so refreshing. Truth! Civility! Respect! How unusual.
Thank you, thank you.
My 17 yr old social butterfly son told me that back in March and April when we were locked down (Canada), he cried himself to sleep every night. As a mom, that was heartbreaking to hear.
sure it's heartbreaking; this is clearly tyranny in progress. I live in N Ontario, and in my town the AA meetings have been closed for the last eight months. AA is a life and death program, and many members would be back drinking that would otherwise be sober, and a number have probably died by now. a man north of here that was also very extraverted like your son, flew his plane over Georgian Bay last summer and jumped out after saying goodbye to his little son and wife earlier back in the summer. the suicide rates have been up all over, what is over nothing; it's absolutely ludicrous. I am a strong introvert, and AA was the only thing I had left really for any regular sociality--this is the worst thing that has happened to AA since the 40s, and I've no question that if this cult agenda tyranny doesn't stop soon, there is no future for any of us.
@@donalddrysdale246 that is horrible😢. Alcoholism is just one of many diseases that seems to be taking a back seat to Covid. They are making a mess of mankind.
@@donalddrysdale246 I keep saying, "COVID-19 is real, it's the response that is staged theatre". I am in OA and have suffered greatly without meeting face to face. For the first time in almost six years I've seen a significant weight change over the past four months. It's not about the weight but the weight is a red flag that I'm really struggling.
My greatest sadness in this is the fear it’s created. My six year old granddaughter is afraid to get “the virus” and is therefore afraid to go anyplace not familiar to her.
Yes my grandchildren are afraid to hug. They are reaching their objective. FEAR, we will do anything. However not me. Educate yourself and you don't need to be afraid.
They needed the fear to implement their policies, otherwise the public at large would not have gone along with them. I am sorry to hear about your granddaughter. I teach science experiments to students from grades 2 to 12 and it breaks my heart and makes me so angry what these policies and the fear are doing to our children.
Same with my little cousins. They’re parents God please forgive me are so brainwashed that they have made they’re children scared to come near me and say I need to wear a mask just to hug them? It’s so sad. They’re so scared to even come near me
This breaks my heart to hear. This is why I’m against all this theater. I’m sorry this is politics and the ushering us into a NWO.
Fear kills! Old FDR quote: “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” now all we have is fear. We owe ourselves and the world better.
I must admit, i came to your channel expected a 1 sided "we're all going to die" but I have been pleasantly surprised. I know balance is in the eye of the beholder, but it is refreshing to hear someone look at statistics and try to approach the data honestly.
Who else is back here 4 years later upon hearing that Dr. Bhattacharya has been nominated for NIH Director? I am on the verge of being excited that a scientist with integrity, education, and experience has been tapped to fill a role where his talents could make positive changes.
Yes, the improved treatments are making a huge difference. Even people with comorbidities are getting better at higher rates! Way to go healthcare workers!
And it was due to doctors and HCW sharing among themselves what worked and didn't etc. NOT the government "experts" dictating stuff. Actual real life working in the trenches medical personnel. Imagine how much better we'd be IF we HAD a functioning government and agency that actually DID coordinate the information, equipment etc-you know like we pay TAXES for that agency to DO ITS JOB?
Treatment have improved? Or the target population has already been removed? All ppl like Ztwat has done is block treatments for this disease, government's and WHO included. Only way we go back to normal is vaccine. Yeah, yeah.
Alex Bateman There’s no “target population,” and Dr Z isn’t involved in blocking or approving treatments.
I sense a tad bit of cynical paranoia... Bigger overall problem is overpolitization of everything, and a tendency to go against everything Trump does out of spite. Does not translate well into cooperation.
@@filminginportland1654 Im not even based in the US. This is a global scandal. Fuck American politics. America thinks it's the be all and end all.
ZTwat has been wrong over and over again. Won't mention HCQ as a treatment after his ridiculously rebuttal video based of a fraudulent study. Laughed at the Bakersfield doctors about them explorating data. Remember them saying cases up - deaths down. Guess what he says in this video. 😂. Anyone who relies on this guy for information is an idiot
This disease specifically kills a "target population". People that are already vulnerable, the elderly and those with co-morbidities. It's said in this video. The flu is less selective. Keep yourself healthy, avoid vaccines and medical advice from people like zTwat and very unlikely you're at risk of dying from something as mild as covid19. That's not factoring in how inaccurate pcr tests, whatever they're picking up old coronavirus', dead coronavirus' and whether people dying in the majority of these cases merely died WITH coronavirus or from it.
This has been a global scandal, fueled by corrupt organization's funded by billionaires. Doctor's have been a complete embarrassment, especially ones that spend more time on youtube discrediting the work of those in the field. Name one thing Ztwat has got right through out this?
Alex Bateman And yes, treatments have dramatically improved since this began when we didn’t know what we were dealing with. Of course they would. We’ve made terrific progress in finding medications & treatment plans that work quite well, especially if caught early on. That is well-established with immense bodies of evidence from all over the world.
I don’t know who you think the “target population” is, but the vast majority of people who died _strictly from_ COVID-19 (and not from something else merely with COVID-19 present) would have died within the year or two from a good strong cold or nearly any illness, and a large portion of those were past average life expectancy for their demographic already. These were medically fragile people who would have fared poorly from just about anything sent their way.
You’ve got to keep things in perspective here. There are countless things far more dangerous than COVID-19 that we live with every day, that don’t cause people to flip out and lock themselves in their homes for months on end.
Pandemics have always been with us as humans, to one degree or another. This is nothing new, and this one was fortunately much less dangerous than we thought. Be grateful, and let’s move on, protecting those who need it but otherwise keeping life moving.
Great to see a discussion. No screaming. No name calling. Simply a discussion of the science. Wow! This shouldn't be so rare, but it is!
Excellent interview. Dr. Bhattacharya is a beacon of light in these dark times.
Jay, despite many questioning his motives and ideas for MONTHS, was right about nearly everything. Number of asymptomatics, and a lot of other stuff. Glad to see moderates gaining more prominence, when cancel culture has fed the hysteria that's going on and has people discussing YEARS long lockdowns and censorship of valid voices.
Government is experimenting with social engineering . 😖
@@donikatod460 Fear of death. People's risk tolerance has dropped to delusional levels as more safety regulations are put in place. In their minds, lockdowns will absolutely reduce deaths but they largely ignore the deaths as a result of lockdowns. They fail to understand there are drawbacks to nearly every action we take and don't do proper cost/benefit analysis or risk assessments. The echo chambers of conformity and groupthink have been intensified with social media. Many view the world in terms of accumulating the most woke points possible and fully realize how one small slip up could cause them to lose many or all their woke points, so they are careful to go with the prevailing narrative of their 'team'.
I've love to see these men be as open-minded in a discussion with RFK Jr. People questioning vaccines are not anti-vaxxers, but they are anti pharma not being held liable for what they produce. Please open your mind on vaccines and understand why this insanity is ensuing for a virus with such a high survival rate.
Yep. Funny how if you said “penicillin is a great invention that saves many lives but can also kill some people” everyone would agree, but when you try to point it out about vaccines you’re an anti-vaxxer now. It’s like a f*cking religion.
I am pro vaccines. But I am cynical about how the various additives or active agent itself can adversely affect me. Wanting to have as much knowledge about what I'm being injected with and wanting to not possibly experience adverse effects is a reasonable thing to me. However, this causes people to conclude I'm a right-wing conspiracy theorist nutcase.
I am pro lockdowns... if done methodically, holistically, and addresses the adverse effects of lockdowns themselves with the end goal of minimizing the death rate from covid, lockdowns, and suffering. Every action we take has trade offs that need to be accounted for. Again, that makes me a right-wing conspiracy theorist nutcase.
Well Said - I'll second that.
Also, I'd love to see them explore an expert's data and assertions conclusions on excess Radio Frequency Energy Stress in bodies ... ie: 5G and WI-max / 5GHz Wi-Fi (which are NOT the same thing. 5G is 5th generation - NOT 5 GHz ... It's 100's of GHz!)
@@jzen1455 How about the UNKNOWN defects caused by MODIFYING our RNA & DNA - VERY DANGEROUS and without precedent!
Both mentioned issues with their kids and something about partial paralysis, one was after the flu vaccine. My first thought was “it was the vaccines”. There is evidence that vaccines cause autism. They are both biased in that subject.
Isolation is not compatible with life. people need love and touch!
True for many, but certainly not for all.
Dragantraces
You are agreeing that many people need love and touch, but that not all people do? And those who don’t need love and touch are suitable for being locked down?
@@Dragantraces it is for everyone, did you know that studies are coming out showing that introverts are handling the lock downs & social distancing worse than extroverts? i was surprised by it
News covering hospitals lying about the coronavirus deaths ua-cam.com/video/_GAfYbYwFUs/v-deo.html
@@rlward34 OAN. haha. ya....
I appreciate this. I have been camp apocalypse, even though I have felt doubts. But science is doubts. Hearing you fill in the shades of grey on this and admitting the questions is refreshing.
Thank you
I'm somewhat in the middle, but have friends in both "camps". The media and political tribes will try to pit me against my friends on either sides, I will not comply.
He just used "tri-corder". This guy should head the CDC or replace Fauci.
ua-cam.com/video/ZpwmBsLGOyg/v-deo.html&ab_channel=Jo%27zavenue
Dr. Jay, I am in California and I have met you several times at conferences and thank you for the "sane" science behind this.... Dr Z thanks for having him on!
So basically the response was all wrong. I’ve been skeptical of the establishment response since the start and have been listening to dr Jays common sense data based analysis since spring.
..and also probably the most truthful statement: “we were made to be in community.” Yes! The fear mongering is stripping us of our humanity.
A scientist that feels sharing his thoughts is more important than keeping his job, has my full attention.
Favorite quote "Tired of people treating each other as just big bag of germs that they need to avoid". I've felt that society has acted that way since March, until late July when my wife was hospitalized 6 days for bike accident and saw how compassionate and caring the healthcare workers at the hospital treated her. Healthcare workers are amazing! Wish the rest of America had that type of compassion and caring for each other.
If you agree with Dr. Jay, sign his Great Barrington Declaration petition today!!
The one funded by the Koch Brothers, Exxon Mobil, and Phillip Morris?
Signed!
@@sharonc8138 lol. Moron.
@@ChrisTheCat21
Mask up, shelter in place.
@@sharonc8138 Sharon or a Karen?
Thank you for talking to Dr. Jay Battacharya, he is one of the most rational, compassionate, informed scientist and personifies Spock! I wish you both have lot more followers and the facts spread widely rather than the panic and fear spread by so many! We cannot ever forget we are a democracy, we are NOT anything like China.
it's become more like China here than it ever has been in the last eight months: quarantined, forced mask wearing; really? it's exactly what the psychotic cult running the world has been trying to do.
This is something most clinicians knew in "their gut" all along. Now we have a study to prove it. Unfortunately for all nurses and doctors, the public trust in us has been completely eroded by political gamesmanship. There are nurses who have MBAs who understand the economics of healthcare - watch the bias of degreed superiority - really smart people are everywhere - not just the bay area and Stanford. Ain't nobody stupid - just blindsided by strategic marketing.
I remember when I first heard Jay, it was March 31st on the Hoover Institute podcast. He's been sharing the same message then as he is today, we knew a lot about this virus then and our political servants ignored the data in favor of slogans and politicization. I'm only speaking of California, because that's where i live, but the accusation can be spread out to many of their ilk
I live in Michigan. I know what you mean.
Anywhere in world except few sane countries
I have already watched this 4 times
This is my absolute FAVORITE video of yours. My son in his 4th year of medical school recommended you to me a few months ago and I’m so thankful! Keep it up! 👍 I’ll keep sharing.
Dr. Z and Dr. Jay. A match made in heaven! What a breath of fresh air. This interview/ discussion was fascinating and calming and smart and thoughtful. Thank you both so very, very much. ❤
I so needed this! A rational discussion based on science. It helped me realize that no I’m not losing my mind, I’m just being bombarded with nonsensical info
I am one of those with anxiety. I was going crazy. I was starting to feel suicidal. Felt hopeless. I am a lot better now. You tube has helped me out a lot. I am not so afraid. Still taking it serious. I just listen to science instead of the news media.
I got so much out of this conversation. Im a middle income, stay at home mom of school age children in NJ. I lean left politically but want to hear rational discussion from all viewpoints and i think you all do this well.
One of the things I've found reassuring about Sunetra Gupta, including her work with Dr. B, is that she is coming from the left.
To me it seems (in the UK), the compassionate left has lost all compassion.
Confusingly, I find myself agreeing more with people I normally despise. For example a British journo called Peter Hitchens.
All very odd
Finally he’s come to his senses.
Thank you for hosting this honest conversation. I've been disturbed by the lack of conversation in the media about the very real public health cost to lockdowns. Job losses, mental health issues, lack of socialization, diseases of despair are public health issues too. I left NYC a couple of months ago, and it was heartbreaking to see so many beloved small businesses in my community close. Meanwhile, Amazon profits have doubled. We are seeing an enormous transfer of wealth and power during this, which (surprise, surprise) the media doesn't focus on. Many corporations are doing quite well while small businesses close every day. That is going to have an impact even decades from now. More public health people need to think about these issues too.
Ugh that’s because the media has an agenda. Covid cases and Covid deaths (presuming) they have been counted right, made President Trump look bad.
Wow, this was an amazing conversation, Z. Dr. Jay is awesome.
This is so refreshing. I wish my gov't leaders were televising a discussion like this! So open, honest,
reasonable and frank. Thank you!
Just had my first day back with my high school students today.
Masked students & faculty or?
What is fear level amongst students?
What state/city?
I can't tell you how much I love these interviews. I hope enough people start finally listening to you to drive policy and that those who have used virtue signaling and fear to suppress this science are finally called out for their role in all of the harms that have resulted... which are finally being brought to light themselves...
Fantastic scientific discussion! Thanks for striving to present the science and ignoring the politics. Stanford has been a leader since this started by seeking the facts. It’s a shame that politics and the media is seeking to present one side of an issue and not seek the facts. Love the Alt-middle! Keep delivering the evidence and enjoying the criticism!
I am 74, retired, test positive for TB (my mother had it when I was an infant). I have never had the flu and never got the flu shot until they started coming into the office lobbies offering the shots and one of my coworkers went berserk when I said I I wasn't getting the flu shot. Had worked with people who dropped like flies all around me with the flu...never got it. To keep the hair straight on this woman's head, I went down and got the shot. My aunt is 91, in a nursing home, tested positive for Covid19, went into quarantine with another woman for 2 weeks, came out and went back to her normal routine. I took vitamins from childhood because my mother had TB and lost the use of one lung after spending 11 months in hospital and having 3 major surgeries to take her diseased lung down. She lived to be 86...had dementia in her last couple of years. I have lived with depression and anxiety since childhood. My mother was a very difficult woman to be around. I considered suicide in my early 20s but decided that was stupid thinking and moved on with life. Still had depression and anxiety. Always needed to rock, either back and forth when standing or walking in circles or taking a fast walk or jumping one leg up and down when sitting or, as a child, rocking back and forth in a chair or laying in bed rocking back and forth. Extremely difficult to stay still...although I'm extremely quiet naturally. Usually find a rocking chair and use it to work off stress. I consider myself to be a rational, calm human even under stressful situations. I usually fall apart much later after a crisis and always by myself. I've learned to live with it and don't think about it much. Covid19 lockdown took a toll on me. I don't like being told I can't do this or that or being "protected" because of my age...go peddle your papers and leave me the hell alone. Go! Be gone, twit." Been taking care of myself for decades, do not have dementia, alzheimers or any other disorder, am not sick and don't expect to be. Expect to meet my maker one of these days with all parts working...brain and body. 😇
thanks Patricia. anyone that is sane and has a stich of common sense left, would find it hard to even know where to begin with this ludicrous year of 2020. I have been through anxiety disorders myself, and being alcoholic of AA variety, AA was part of my healing for 30 years until eight months ago when in my town, they have closed meetings since and still are, because here they have all been in church buildings, where supposedly we can't have more than ten people at a time. it's the most tragic thing that has happened to AA since the 1940s when they had the war and other issues going on. it is a life and death program and this is something I never thought I would see. I only took a vaccine a number of times prior to 30 years ago, which was around when I had returned to AA, and met a number of people there that got me into holistic healing--I had gone through all that drug guinea pigging because of the mental/emotional problems. I have been through indescribable pain in sobriety and prior to it, and now I am facing what is clearly a form of fascism. heard of David Icke? he was banned from his You Tube channel back in March for supposedly spreading mis-information about 'covid'--no, it was because he knows more about the 'Bill Gates cult's' agenda than anyone on the outside of the 'Gov', and they got to afraid of him exposing their agenda. he has been trying to get through to people for 30 years that the world is run by a beyond psychotic and mega-rich cult that has no empathy for humans what-so-ever; it's how they have murdered countless people and think nothing of it. billions of people are presently obeying a handful of psychopaths by wearing masks they don't need, which are to dehumanise us further into their agenda--this is the same way the Nazi holocaust began. people need to stop being so bloody naïve. the people even in my town in N. Canada where we still have some of the cleanest air and water in the world, that are driving around still with windows up and masks on got to be under a spell and are. God bless.
Thanks for sharing your very interesting story.
Watched on my day off. Worth it!
Thanks for putting things into perspective and teaching me the appropriate use of empathy and compassion.
Note... when I discuss Covid with others I always talk about hospitalization. We went 3 weeks with ZERO cases in my hospital. We now have 7 - now we have a different conversation.
5 stars ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
One of the best discussions I've heard you put out there. So grateful. I was bummed with the treatment you gave the Bakersfield doctors. Glad to hear you walk that back a bit.
Total agreement with this professor from the beginning. It should have been obvious to the media and politicians at the beginning of all this. Well done for posting this video.
Essential watch! Intellectually stimulating. Let’s give voice to more talks like this.
My fellow med students, the deans of my med school, all the local news, and the politicians on both sides have all given into this hysteria and lies. Thank you for bringing in an expert and allowing him to speak without selective editing, editorializating, or defaming.
Careful - might get cancelled for just telling the truth in your own way...
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I enjoyed and appreciated this interview right up until the comments on "anti-vaxxers." With all the discussion of bias, inaccurate information foisted off on the public, censorship, refusal to engage in reasonable dialogue, etc. -- I want to know ZDogg's sources for his statements that when COVID-19 arose, there wasn't a peep from anti-vaxxers; anti-vaxxers were terrified of COVID-19; and when a COVID-19 vaccine becomes available, anti-vaxxers will be first in line to get it.
I'm on two Facebook groups that I'm sure ZDogg would consider "anti-vaxxer groups", one with 900 members and one with over 10,000 -- and I have seen *none* of these things that ZDogg claims. What I did see was immediate concern that the pandemic would be exploited to rush COVID-19 vaccines through inadequate testing and then to mandate them, and immediate concern that a mandate for COVID-19 vaccination for adults would be leveraged to push for adult mandates for a wide variety of vaccines. As soon as the virus was identified as a SARS-type virus, people shared information on the disastrous results of challenge testing in animals of the SARS CoV-1 vaccines. People shared their research on both mainstream and alternative medicine prophylaxis and treatment for COVID-19. There was lots of concern, but nobody was terrified. And *nobody* said "Well, this is one vaccine my family will go ahead and have." Instead, many people declared "There's no way I'll get this vaccine myself or allow it to be given to my children."
So, ZDogg, let's hear your evidence for the statements you made about anti-vaxxers re: COVID-19 vaccines.
I know very few anti-vaxxers personally, but I agree with what you have said. Online and on podcasts, etc., I did not see any comments from these people running amok wanting vaccines. In fact, the opposite is true. Most anti-vaxxers are also educated, well-read and have an understanding of the V-a-x cocktails and the ingredients. People who are fearful lack the knowledge, usually, are indoctrinated psychologically, or have something to gain (pharm-perks, monies, etc.)
@Melissa Justice He may not be a paid shill, or he may be someone who is wholly invested in the time and effort that he put into getting his medical degree. Many doctors are invested in telling the mainstream narrative. It is a question of conscience, morals, and ethics. Some people can only stand behind what they can benefit from.
I personally believe that there is more to life than the Earth-experience. I would not want to exit this life experience unless I gave my best to others, honestly, truthfully, and with integrity. The Hippocratic oath means nothing to most, it seems. The world is presently underscored by deceit. It is a separation of energy. Truth and dishonesty are opposite poles. "Everyone has an agenda." You heard them say it in this interview.
Yesssssssss! Well said 🙏👍👍♥️
This!!!
I would be considered an “anti-vaxxer” and I would NEVER take that vaccine, even if the risk of the disease were the worst. I have not heard ONE “anti-vaxxer” EVER say they would. It is a disservice that you would imply that when that community backs your research and concern over censorship.
Loved this interview, Dr Z. Keep ‘em coming, this is what we come here for and why we support you!*
* and no, despite what the naysayers claim, we don’t blindly follow everything said as if it was gospel. Most of us who watch this channel are data-driven and look at the facts. We just appreciate intelligent, respectful conversations that aren’t afraid of being passionate when called for!
This was so constructive. You're doing a great service to society and humanity for hosting programs like this that allow healthy and needed discussion. Thank you!
First time I've heard any semblance of common sense from Zdog.
I hope he is turning to the good side
Dr. Jay, thank you, thank you, thank you!! I am so glad to hear another doctor saying that the worst damage we have done is to openly support the idea that humans are not to be trusted or thought of as safe because of the Virome/Biome and contagion. We have ALWAYS been social and interactive. We have to move away from fear and look at the amazing ability of the body to adapt and progress. THANK YOU!!
Dr. Z, you’ve changed your mind on this so many times!! That is what has me subscribed and following. Science! Dr. Bhattacharya reminds me of science talks with my father.
"Science is a conversation which leads to more data" DrJay Bhattacharya, THAT is the most sensible thing i have heard within the last 10 months!!
As I was dropping my 4 year old off at Preschool this morning he said to me "mommy, I don't want to get too close to you because I don't want you to get the virus and die" my heart broke! My 4 year old should not be afraid to hug his mommy! I am outraged at how our children are being told flat out lies!
I seriously doubt your *4 year old* said that so fluently
@@jakejohnson6954 seriously?! What a dick thing to say!
I don't cry often, but the thought of a 4 year old being afraid of killing their mum brought tears to my eyes.
Our duty as adults is to protect them from our worries.
Jyllean Sloan oh come on when does a 4 year old talk like that? Im not talking about the message, but the way its said, i mean even if she did say that im more worried about something like that because of someone like you
robinhood 46 and the best way to do that? Give them vaccines!!!!!!!
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm repeating someone else's comment. At about 27:30, the discussion turned to health care workers working at multiple elder care facilities. In my jurisdiction (British Columbia), we have made this illegal and are working on raising the wages of these workers (who work at several locations because the work is part-time and precarious), both in private and public settings.
1:00:01 spot on. & it makes a joke to the vx's, doesnt matter how perfect thr are. & either way: no one reasonable - at that time - could have argued that was the right move. it still doesnt square. nor does the annual shots and variant bs. you think we lock down every yr for each popular var? ill bet thr is an annual flu shot, but we dont treat any of the rest like we do now. jump fwd a yr: it continues. the further in you go, the dirtier the data gets (likely uncleanable. and...str8 into the hx books as facts).
and india today is impossible to interpret. & a fragile system hit w panic im not sure would look that different.
Dr. Ioannidis Dr Atlas and Dr Bhattacharya have been worth following throughout this whole ordeal.I hope you speak at length to all of them
Finally ZDogg woke up !!! It took him a long time
Totally!!
I had influenza when I was just under 30. I don’t want to do that again. I’m over 50 now. I hope to avoid both influenza and covid.
Thanks for continuing to bring us interesting information
I have finally gotten time to listen to the end of this video while on my way home from work (I listened to the beginning on my way to work this morning).
The comments near the one hour mark... give or take a bit... about a photo of two (Hispanic?) children sitting outside the 7-11 or some such place using the WiFi reminded me of this article from last spring. It’s not just poor families that struggle with internet access, rural families, regardless of income, struggle with access as well. But if you mention that to big city team-apocalypse people, they come back with silly answers along the lines of “well, maybe they should just move”. As if that’s practical during a pandemic and while people were laid off of work.
Give me a flipping break.
www.startribune.com/covid-19-pandemic-highlights-broadband-divide-in-rural-minnesota/569541472/
Since January IFR ,CFR curve has been flattening while lockdowns are increasing
I had surgery at Stanford in July. The media had me so freaked out my blood pressure was sky high and I never have high blood pressure. I’ve had this surgery 12 times prior so it wasn’t because I was having surgery.
It was freaking out that I was going to a hospital in the middle of the pandemic. It was the unknown if am I going to catch it when I’m recovering from surgery. It was the fact I couldn’t have anyone come with me to the hospital. Not knowing what my husband was going to do for 2 hours while I was there, when everything was shut down. We had traveled 12 hours for the surgery, it’s not like he could come home. It was the unrest going on and worrying my husband might get caught up in it because he “took a wrong turn”. There was just A LOT going on in my head. I don’t generally have anxiety, I can’t imagine how people who deal with anxiety and depression daily are coping....
At 1:06:00 LOL all libertarians. "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." ~ Ayn Rand
Fitting quote.
Great quote. I read Atlas Shrugged for the first time last year. Isn't is scary on spot on it has been about the incompetence of governments.
I prefer the Fountainhead- but the incompetency of the government officials in this crisis has exposed these people for who they are
There are many people (“citizens”) are complicit as they support these government moves fully. For these people, these people feel safer and more secure with this type of government.
That is what Gates and co wanted. 😢
A suburb, intelligent and respectful discussion. No finger pointing, no blame game, no political point scoring. Why can't the BS media behave like this?
Incredible program. Should be aired prime time! Makes me feel more woke!
Omg 😳 YES! “We’ve favored the rich people who can survive this and punished the poor - stay inside, loose your jobs, get $1200 a month” “Or you go outside and expose yourself and deliver groceries” 39:50
Bravo 👏 gentleman! Everyone should see this interview!!
Amazing discussion...I want to share it with everyone I know but I can’t take the blow back. I said to my wife in March...we’ve fallen in the water and instead of swimming we’re holding our breath. Good luck with that...🤔
You are better off with the blowback of striving to have people come to their senses and reel in their fear than the grief that will fall from the wrecked economy, the increased destitution and hunger rampant in the population from the planned destruction of the economy.
You are playing in their hand through fear. 😢 That is what they want. 🙏🌹
I'll share it and if they dont like it...they can kiss my ass
I wish I had a box of popcorn as I watched this, it was SO good. SO refreshing to watch intelligent individuals discuss this crisis (in all its facets) with real honesty and objectivity, free from agenda or spin. Obviously we all make our own conclusions, and maybe others will disagree, but I kept saying, "Yes! Exactly!" to everything said here. Thank you.
In Ky my 6 year old grandchild is sooo sad and actually they got to go for 2 days.... she was extremely happy even though they were placed in what she called a “clear jail” to eat lunch and in class. They didn’t get recess but she said “we got to have mask break a few times and walk around the school outside” but they were social distanced and only a few kids at a time. No play time !!! It’s just unbelievable and so disheartening!!! The powers to be that are continuing this extreme fear mongering for whatever reasons.... be it political gain, monetary gain with immunizations and all other conspiracy theories out there that I used to think was crazy, should be extremely ashamed of themselves and know karma will get them !!
So refreshing to hear someone speaking rationally and with purpose. The discussion surrounding schools and the impact of closures hits home. Our daughter in Grade 10 moved to a new school this year and went in person at first, but with limited interaction allowed, masks covering up facial expressions, and the distancing measures lead her to want to do online. Now in a much tougher class online our normally honors student is struggling and not accepting help. Basically giving up on improving herself and is even more socially distant than before.
I like how he said what we see is certain regions getting a first wave at different times, rather than a true second wave.
many of the second waves seem to correspond with areas that had more severe lockdowns here and around the world.
@@jeankutzer1556 which makes sense because people can’t develop any heard immunity
Definitely the best interview on this topic (and I've watched a lot). Must watch! Thank you both for sharing!
Finally someone with more than two IQ points.
Dr. Jay is definitely more intelligent than Zubin ... but even he is working on false premises.
GIGO. Garbage in, garbage out.
SARS Cov2 has yet to satisfy the Koch Postulates. So whatever is testing positive cannot be traced to any one source ... whether that source is SARS Cov2 lab-engineered, the flu virus, the flu shot using attenuated flu virus from last year's flu season, goat swabs, papaya fruit swabs, the common cold coronavirus, etc.
A positive test using a generic test cannot identify a specific virus, which then cannot establish a Covid-19 infection case.
So what does 0.2% case fatality rate really mean?
Neither of these two doctors, the expert (Jay) and the expletive (Zubin) ... are being scientific.
The case fatality rate is being fully attributed to SARS Cov2. But there's a strong reason to suspect that most positive so-called Covid tests ... are the result of an influenza strain, after all, the Northern Hemisphere was transiting through flu season at the height of the testing.
Which then has the potential to take the actual case fatality rate below 0.2% ... all the way down to even as low as 0% (statistically rounding off).
In the end, both Jay and Zubin are engaging in a pseudoscientific discussion that sounds plausible, but cannot possibly be scientific in the absence of the Koch Postulates ... and the concomitant absence of a specificty test for Covid-19.
Pax
UncleZook
@@TheZookieMonster except Koch postulates apply to bactera
@@rickyjensen8703 The original Koch Postulates were used for bacterial infections ... but after the electron microscope was invented and these things called viruses/exosomes came into resolution ... the postulates were modified to understand infection by any pathogenic source.
Isolation. Purification. Capacity to induce infection in healthy animals.
If you have proof to the contrary, please let me know.
Pax
UncleZook
So much common sense in this that it almost hurts! Thank you so very much the both of you guys! A real breath of fresh air! Exactly how scientists, doctors and infact humans should communicate and think.
@@ghwk-phd2784 Thank you and respect for the thorough and informative answer!
A civilized society places the needs of children first.
AGREED 100% and I’m tired of people agreeing with me on this with their words but not their actions.
Thankful for this video!!!! This is great!!! I can’t believe it hasn’t been taken off by UA-cam!
Thank you for a great show and confirming many of my thoughts. I wish more people looked at the science with open minds. As a teacher in an inner city school I wholeheartedly agree we need to open schools. School through Zoom is not effective for the majority of students. We have some students in persona and some virtual and there is a noticeable change in the students' behavior and mental health.
I am a 19 year old college student and zoom classes are why I will be dropping out of college to enter the trades. Call me whatever you want to, but I cannot focus in a zoom classroom and I will not be wasting my money any longer on people that care nothing for educating.
This needs more views. I recommend sharing it on our social media pages. It's worth it.
In Baton Rouge.
Among the best conversations on Covid I have heard.
Thank you for finally coming to this. I was frustrated with you early on Dr Zdog because you were not willing to 'go here' and actually had quite the opposite take...so THANK YOu for continuing to be open, for continuing to question and for having the hard but necessary conversations!
Can you tell me where to find the double blind inert placebo studies that you've researched to promote vaccines?
This physician is one of my favorite people speaking out on COVID. I signed onto the Great Barrington Declaration when it came out. ZDogg...this is one of the best videos you have done on the pandemic.
My wife and I decided to stop watching Fox and search for knowledge, glad you found you.
I can breathe again listening to you. My problem wasn’t anxiety but despair of ever hearing even handed cogent analysis again. Thank you for your clarity and what you have learned v. what you still deem speculative. And on understanding our social context of health. Love and mad respect to you both.
I have a question: isnt one scenario that the SARS cov2 just wanes and leaves the population. Isn’t that what happens with coronavirus of SARS and MERS?
We dont know, But we will learn and until we know be responsible. Thats what we are doing in Sweden right now. Would like to see you having a talk with Anders Tegnell.
Thank you for this conversation, discussion of data, and talking about what we know and don't know. We need more of this so please keep doing what you are doing!
Goddamn this was excellent!! Thank you, Dr. Jay and Z!
Im amazed you are interviewing this man.
Hes way above your intellectual level.
Why can’t all science be like this??? What is our society coming to?? We need logical rational people having discussions on blaming others.
Dr jay, sincerest thanks for your constant clear messaging around covid from very early on! You’re a warrior in a climate of outrage/ lies and prolific misinformation. Keep strong and know you have so much support behind you, and the truth will prevail.
Really good discussion, two things that concern me I wish you had talked about is 1- Dr Birx said "we are very liberal in our counting of deaths, if you die WITH covid, you are recorded as dying OF covid." How are we not over counting deaths with that criteria?
2 - Who benefits from lockdowns? Vaccine developers benefit as it greatly delays herd immunity. If a strong herd immunity was developed, far fewer people would need the vaccine. I remember some CEO saying every single person was going to need to be vaccinated and then have papers proving it before they function in society. Scary stuff.
Ha! They’ll have a battle on that!