If god didn't make the universe then where the hell did everything come from?
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- What's the connection between Chaos theory, the big band and Karma, cause and effect?
Science teaches that everything came from the big bang, and that god isn't responsible for the universe. So what did the Buddha say about the origins of everything?
Don't listen to negative influencers on social media spreading hatred, conspiracies, and dis-information, hold your own ground and learn to think for yourself.
#chaostheory #bigbang #gandhi #nelsonmandelaquotes
00:00 Introduction: questioning the origins of the universe
02:22 The possibility of improving the world
06:55 Taking responsibility for our actions
10:17 The power of ideas to transform the world
12:41: Contemplation and personal experience on the spiritual path
Who is the one who changes his destiny? Is it an individual self?
In the final truth there is nothing seperate that could change anything. Relatively it looks like one can achieve Nibbana, but in final truth there is noone to decide or change.
Or what is it that decides?
The question relates to relative appearances and not the ultimate truth. If the liberation was spontaneously arising then there would be no need to apply one self to virtue and the remedies to suffering. As clearly we don't go to bed at night and wake up spontaneously Buddha, the question should be "why isn't liberation self arisen for us when the ultimate truth or natural state is primordially present?"
In the Buddha Dharma there is no individual to call a self, and the variety of experiences of the mundane world arise out of fundamental ignorance that is the notion that this self does indeed exist. And so to get rid of our delusion we need to get rid of self clinging and clinging to appearances. And that is why all spiritual practice is about eradicating our clinging.
Now there are infinite methods for coming to realise the truth of no self, but one needs to find the method that will be effective in getting rid of one's own clinging. And those who merely upon hearing the words "everything s empty" achieve liberation are rare rare as daytime stars.
Further I have to add that in the context of the Buddha Dharma at least, whereas the notion that everything is the responsibility of God or infinite consciousness can go a long way to reduce self clinging, ultimately this notion itself is a form of clinging to reality and so can never lead to ultimate awakening.
Still most of us never get anywhere close to eradicating our self clinging let alone our clinging to phenomena so it is still a valid remedy to a lot of worldly woes.
Thanks for sharing your ideas and doubts
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@@ultimatemeaning any antidote will necessarily fail, it is already perfect, this is Atiyoga Remedies are preliminary they can set the stage, and they arise as ones karma, some call it grace, but a medicine can cure or act as a poison. Any effort re-enforces sense of self. Practice without a goal, practice as duty. See the inaction in action and action in the inaction, they are the same. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. God, in his intrinsic state is non-contingent Being, which is like non-being and inconceivable, He shows Himself as Providence, Synchronicity and as the Guru. You are he, there is no abiding phenomena, there is the Self-organizing system/process that is a teleological process of eternal self-realization.
"The way the self arrays itself is the form of the entire world See each thing in this entire world as a moment of time. Things do not hinder one another, just as moments do not hinder one another The way-seeking mind arises in this moment. A way seeking moment arises in this mind."
~ Dogen Uji (being-time)
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@@Quaterzau There has been an ongoing misunderstanding (wrong view) about the Buddha's teaching on "anatta". Everbody thinks there is no self at all.
Anatta does not mean there is no self. Anatta means "not-self" or "non-self" referring in contrast to the then widespread Old Indian concept that there is a fixed, unchanging, permanent soul that reincarnates from life to life. To such, that is "not-self". Nothing is permanent and unchanging.
The Buddha acknowledges that there "is" a self (in relative sense) and that is our body. But he also taught that this body exists by the joining and working together of its 5 aggregates, where if these 5 aggregates wear out, there is no more self (absolute truth).
If there is no self or individual at all (like most Zen students misunderstood), then why did the Buddha exhorted people to realize the 4 noble truths and follow the 8fold path? Who then is exhorted to follow the path if there is no self at all? That self is the "relative-sense" of self, where in reality is "not-self" (this is realized upon awakening).
@@Quaterzau As ships are blown by wind on sails,
As arrows fly from twanging bow,
So, when the force of thought directs,
The body, following, must go.
Just as machines are worked by ropes,
So are the body's gear and groove;
Obedient to the pull of mind,
Our muscles and our members move.
"No independent 'I' is here,
But many gathered mobile forces;
Our chariot is manned by mind,
And our karma is our horses.
Assailed by death in life last throes
On quitting all thy joys and woes
What is thine own, thy recompense?
What stays with thee when passing hence?
What like a shadow follows thee
And will Beyond thine heirloom be?
"'Tis deeds, thy deeds, both good and bad;
Naught else can after death be had.
Thy deeds are thine, thy recompense;
They are thine own when going hence;
They like a shadow follow thee
And will Beyond thine heirloom be.
"Let all then here perform good deeds,
For future weal a treasure store;
There to reap crops from noble seeds,
A bliss increasing evermore. "-Paul Carus : GOSPEL OF THE BUDDHA
@@Quaterzau thnxs for the feedback brodhisattva 🙏
When people say to me "Who created the Universe?". I respond, "Who created God?". And you'll get the answer that God has been around forever. To which I say, "Which is as illogical as saying the Universe came from nothing. So, it's a draw!"
Well get your head around this where does space start and end and if it ends just over there then what’s on the other side
It's a draw, except we experience the universe (call it that or call it mind), but god? It seems evidence of god boils down, at best, to some feeling. Especially a Christian-style god, which is actively opposed by the evidence in the natural world! Unless you ascribe traits to god that make it impossible to test whether it exists or not, it doesn't seem likely. At any rate, doesn't seem necessary, and definitely seems psychological, with needy people more likely to believe in it.
I've never seen this combination of god beliefs and Buddhism before. Can't say I'm a fan.
@@simovihinen875 I’m with you always doubt but paranormal and pyramids just don’t happen by chance
@@gary36104pyramids mystery been resolved
There are definitely issues with an eternalist view. 🙏
“We are responsible for our own delusions.” Lama Choga.
Center, breathe, generate boddhicitta, rest there. Contemplate.
Stop. Think. Act. Review … 2nd grade wisdom. 🙏🦋❤
Thank you Jan! ♥♥♥
Free will is an illusion. ✌️
@@PeteWaanfree will is the background base, of the Soular System. Individually, It is a spiritual “stem cell”. Consider the birds and how they love to be free. A caged bird, has lost its free will. Free-will is our spiritual essence, with which one decides to discipline the weak-willed self and get on the path of ego mastery!
I think your voice radiates stern compassion, like a good teacher or a strict yet loving father.
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I love the example, I dont recalled in what year, but in NY 6,000 people meditated on peace and in that day, crime rates and terrorism fell by 72%
Let that sink in folks.
Imagine what we can do together if we were allowed to unite instead of being played against each other in this War of the Mind.
In the age of technology and information the Mind is a battle field.
It is easy to manipulate someone, first one has to enter the emotions, and once the emotional gate is open, the mind can easily be influenced. Being centered will help, it offers some protection, but real gnosis of truth leaves no doubt no waiver.
Yeah, great and there was the transcendental conference in Washington D.C. the local police chief wrote them a thank you note! Thank you for sharing that friend♥♥♥
Correlation does not imply causation.
@@ominous-omnipresent-they it wasn't a correlation.
Or a coink-I-dink
Turns out that was manipulated data. Just like the cherry picked photos used in Massaro Emoto’s Secret Life of Water research.
@@LifeIsThePrayer yet his work has been replicated several times.
Lama la, I've often thought that the original "weapons of mass destruction" are our negative emotions and a mind that chooses to cause harm to serve its own interests. That's why the altruistic mind is such an amazing gift to sentient beings. Thank you for this precious Dharma teaching!❤
Thank you for your wonderful thoughts 🙏🙏🙏
@@bodhicitta3jewels don't be afraid of destruction. There can be no construction without it. Anyways nothing is being destroyed.
I'm so glad I found your channel. I love what you are communicating. Your words come from a place of humility, simplicity, compassion. My heart responds. I think what we really crave, what we want more than anything (and are mostly oblivious to it), is responsibility. Accountability. Many people spend so much time watching movies or reading stories about protagonists who (taking a common story arc) transform from irresponsible deadbeats into heroes who take full responsibility for their actions and the path they follow. I think we want that in our own lives, more than anything.
And I am glad you are part of the conversation and have the courage to share your inner most feelings. Thank you Michael ♥♥♥
Was so happy to see you put up another video, snippets of wisdom! Thank you Llama Choga!
You are too kind donella. Nice to hear from you again! ❤💛💙
@@ultimatemeaning 🌻
16th Karmapa Dream Flag hanging in the background… My kind of teacher 🙏
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“As a spiritual practitioner it’s your responsibility… you have to do your best not to add to the negativity; not to put more fuel on fire.
It is our own negativity that shapes the world and we all contribute to this.”
~ Lama Choga
You are quoting me again Miguel. It kind of makes me feel like a dead person! ⚰☠ jj 😆🤣😆
@@ultimatemeaning you’ll always be truly alive for me beloved Lama Choga.
Now I can’t deny your existence and I’m grateful 🙏🏼
Take all your suffering- sorrows, pains, losses, fears, misery and the miseries of the world, and use them. They’re all vehicles for awakening. Each birth is precious and useful, a gift and a blessing.
~Ram Dass
I follow many teachings including Buddha and Tara. I begin to think of it as the mental, emotional and physical body as the cause of suffering expressed through karma, trauma and ama. Karma is a action that create trauma and ama. Someone hits or hurts someone it causes trauma so they hit them back most often or you eat certain foods that create disease that causes suffering and ama. Keeping people in a fight or flight mode response creates trauma to mind, emotions and body. It's tough in the world at this point to stay in a peaceful mind and always take the right actions.
Thanks for sharing that. Also there are four classes of karma, positive, negative, neutral, and immovable karma. Not all karma causes conflict 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for your reminder to virtuous action and how we are always influencing outcomes. It’s an important contemplation to ask myself am I doing my best to add virtue and wholesome states and actions.
Wonderful Brian if more people thought like this the world would be much better
Lord Buddha was clear on this point. He did not deny the existence of a so called "Creator God". But on the issue of that being having created the universe, and assuming they aren't lying - that they are in fact deluded. My guess, based on Buddhist scripture, is that "He" simply can't remember how it all happened, and so assumes "He" himself created it all. Lord Buddha also hinted that many of the gods and devas are probably quite insane by human standards, and not particularly helpful. Finally, Lord Buddha was crystal clear, no being created it all.
He does go on, and in various scriptures - to describe how everything comes to be. For me, that idea crystalizes in Vajrayana Buddhism and Quantum Physics. Similar ideas are taught by various Buddhist teachers I have followed. It goes something like this....
Think of Time and Emptiness as fields. When/where those fields collide, they turn inside out. Time turns back on itself (recurses) and becomes conciousness. Emptiness turns back on it self (recurses), and becomes the quantum field - a near infinite number of possibilities.
You are one of those possibilities.
I do not believe that Awakening will lead to apathy for how bad our world sucks. I just don't. And I don't believe Awakened beings won't desire and do things to make this current world a little better. If I did, I most definitely would not seek transcendance.
I will keep trying to save as many sentient beings as I can, in my case - as many dogs as I can. Mostly because all the other critters and humans seem to get quite a bit more compassion. A dogs life, right? I want to make them experience total happiness.
Good on you Lama Choga, pointing out once again the obvious - transcendance should not turn you into an un-feeling zombie. The world does suck, and it's on you to help change that.
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Beautifully stated!❤
@@AzmialPrime sentient beings dont have any foundations.life is about as real as the dream you had this morning. but virtue maybe its own reward.
@@AzmialPrime the Buddha here is talking about Brahma,the initial demi god. Go is above Brahma and is his creator
Very clear dharma lecture. Much like how the Buddha taught - direct to the point, supported by real-life examples as expedient means. Thank you for this. Namo Buddhaya 🙏
Thank you for participating my friend! 🙏🙏🙏
Through some kind of coincidence I found this at the close of Saka Dawa duchen day,
On my part, I thought it unusually invigorating. ,very much appreciating the urgency and authenticity
- rare combination in these circumstances .
As i did not quite get it, all of it,or the essence of it, I will return to this talk
,with keen interest.
Thank You . Karma chöchung tashi
lamas talking
Hi Jan, as they say there is no such as coincidence. Tashi Delek ChoChung Tashi la
I'm interested in learning about how this could apply to the double slit experiment. For example, if humans are the particles and our interactions with each other (our attitudes and ideas) change the outcomes of our interactions. And then how would that work with the observer of the experiment? Would that be our consciousness? Sorry if im complcating things here lolz 🙏💚
@maryfreund4957 that's a fine idea!
Wouldn't the outcome of the experiment be ultimately affected by the observer?🙏🙏🙏
@PP-G oh yeah!! That makes more sense! But now I'm more confused lolz. I'll have to think about this more. Or maybe don't think about it 🤣💀
@@maryfreund4957 it's an awfully deep one .
One has to include the consciousness behind the conscious.
You may call it the subconscious, either way, to be mindful of the awareness behind being aware should also be tested in quantum theory. Mind is ALL and All is Mind. We test this on humans all the time both consciously and subconsciously.
Results may depend on the mental strength of an individual and the emotion put into the intention, luckily most are not equipped for such things. And this day and age in the western world the Will is severely under developed.
Those who are trained to use mental powers in conjunction with the Will is for the most part forbidden unless under severe circumstances.
@I_scribbles yeah I agree with some aspects of your idea. I guess it would have been better for me to say awareness is the observer. Then, I wouldn't have confused myself so quickly. It seems finding the answers in our practice and developing that insight through our experiences must be the best approach 🙏💚
There are only two answers to : if God didn't make the universe then where the hell did everything come from: 1: It all came from hell. Or 2: It always was. And 3: Just think of God as the caretaker of the building called life. Or 4: Just be God like, but turned back to front: a Dog - who is happy 'cos he just enjoys life. Besides - if we are eternal and always reincarnate we do have to have puzzles we can't answer to ponder for the whole of eternity. Don't fuss over what you believe - just believe, in the moment, the idea that brings you what you want, in that same moment. And that is always something that is immediately available to you: a sleep, a good movie, a walk, a bath, a dog to pat, and it doesn't even have to be yours. And mate: sex is sacred and necessary for robust health.
Some of us have a bone to pick with Buddhism, because we kinda really need that nirvana power as soon as possible. Sidartha used 6 years in asceticism that he considered a waste, then did 1 year doing a middle way, attaining nirvana. These days people in monastery can waste 40 years without even getting it.
Straight talking. No sophistry designed to appeal to egos and agendas. Thank you.
Oh thank you Scott, not sure I am deserving, but I appreciate your support none the less! 😊
Can you give specific examples that align with your ideas, as the “fruit” of your thoughts? For example, who exactly do you prefer to win in this year’s U.S. presidential elections?
After all your talk and spiritual statements, it would be helpful for us to know some examples of end actions you believe are optimal
For one individual, a Democratic victory is optimal. For another, a Republican victory is optimal. It depends on your goals and what you want a government to do for you. However, the best outcome for you might not be the best outcome for the majority of people. Why should you care about the majority of people? Well, if everyone could cover their basic needs, perhaps there would be less suffering, conflict and crime. A world with less suffering, conflict and crime would be a good start, surely.
@@stephenowen5229 thank you for the sermon but it doesn’t answer the question
@@Peter-wp5vb You're welcome. 😂
You're the man!
I have been devoted to many teachings and books, particularly Shakyamuni Buddha and the nikayas, but i didn't go out looking for a Buddha teacher because it's a mess as much as christianity today is - however I do know of a few most excellent and erudite teachers regarding the bible....I'm elated to have found this man and teacher.
Thx you for committing yourself to youtube videos so many can reach for your teachings.
Agreed, friend! We have the good karma to have a wonderful teacher! No praise intended to Lama Choga, just saying it like it is!!❤
@@bodhicitta3jewels higher powers make parts of universe , each parts of universe has specific creator he and his subordinates use creativity , and he has certain age, for humans it's certain aeons , the creator after his time he gets emancipation. And another creator get into his place and so on so on , it's continuous process ,
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Lama Choga is well versed in the teachings of the Buddha Dharma. He experiences our present mundane world like we do. His remedy for the absurdity of life is to frame these experiences from a dharma perspective. He is worth listening to with an open mind. 🙏💫
How is Christianity a mess? Do you know the difference between truth and a heresy?
Well it is risky but I thought I'd give it a try as the potential to contact sincere practitioners is promising! please to meet you friend
🔥 I am in the mind and the mind is in me 🙏🏻 thank you Lama Choga 🙏🏻
Great video!I am so glad that I found your channel.Been wondering if you can recommend any books about Buddhism for beginners.
Hi Ruan. I started with "Beginners Mind", "Breathe, You Are Alive", "The Joy of Living", "Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep", "Taming the Tiger", and the list goes on and on. But I guess you have encountered some of these. Many People recommend Pema Chodron, but I have never read any of her books.
@ultimatemeaning I've started reading Pema Chodron's "Take the Leap," which has great suggestions for using mindfulness to deal with the onslaught of negative emotions. It's short and to the point. I definitely recommend it to Westerners who are looking for practical techniques for dealing with negative emotions.
Wearing ochre clothes, shaving ones head,adopting a different name and hankering after various concepts and philosophies following people will never bestow spiritualality.only karma can lead us somewhere
It is true that the outer aspects of monastic discipline can not by themselves lead to liberation but there is also a definite reason for these aspects that is discussed in detail in the Vinaya basket.
Ultimately it is only infallible karma that will lead to liberation whereas worldly virtue and non virtue alone only lead to rebirth in the mundane world.
@@ultimatemeaning Good 👍. Peace to you. My Saturn is in the ninth house. Such people never submit to a particular religion but often create their own. What's important is to tear the veil of illusion and go beyond it.
So where did God come from?
If we’re going to use the same logic fairly or why do you think there is a special exception to your belief?
Thank you for this video! Regarding the state of the world and how to use one’s freewill to alleviate suffering, can you please comment on the Buddhist concept of the three ages of the dharma? If it was, for instance, the latter days of the dharma or the so-called degenerate age, doesn’t that imply that the world’s level of consciousness is cyclical and inescapable and is therefore resistant to change?
I ask because I’ve made some study of the world’s eschatological traditions. Maybe not all Buddhists believe in the ages or cycles so I’d like to hear your beliefs. There’s a quote I jotted down attributed to the Buddha when asked about the final age. I don’t know if this is apocryphal, but I’ll attach it as a reply to this comment. Would really love to know your perspective regarding freewill versus the teachings on ages of the dharma.
“The venerable Subhuti asks the Buddha, ‘Bhagavan, will there be any beings in the future, in the final epoch, in the final period, in the final 500 years of the dharma ending age, who will give birth to a perception of the truth of the words of a sutra such as that which is spoken here?’”
The Buddha says, “Subhuti, do not ask a question like will there be any beings in the final epoch who give birth to a perception of the truth of the words of a sutra such as that spoken here? Surely, in the future there will be fearless bodhisattvas who are capable, virtuous, and wise, who give birth to a perception of the truth of the words of a sutra such as that spoken here. Indeed, Subhuti such fearless bodhisattvas will have honored not just one Buddha, and they will have planted auspicious roots before not just one, but such fearless bodhisattvas will have honored countless hundreds and thousands of Buddhas, and they will have planted auspicious roots before countless hundreds and thousands of Buddhas. In the words of a sutra such as that spoken here, they are sure to gain perfect clarity of mind.’”
“The Tathagata knows them, Subhuti, by means of his Buddha knowledge. And the Tathagata sees them by means of his Buddha vision. The Tathagata is aware of them, for they all produce and receive a measureless, infinite body of merit.”
“‘And how so?’
‘Because Subhuti, these fearless bodhisattvas do not create the perception of a self, nor do they create the perception of a being, a life or a soul. Nor do these fearless bodhisattvas create the perception of a dharma, much less the perception of no dharma. Subhuti, they do not create a perception, nor no perception.’”
@jonmustang Great question and comment! Thank you for posting this! In my opinion (not sure how much that counts for😊), it seems to me the Buddha is showing us that a fearless Bodhisattva will remain free of fixation and remain in a state of emptiness and transcendent compassion, perhaps this is the place Bodhisattvas will benefit beings best in the degenerate age. As Lama la says, outcomes are dictated by karma, cause and effect. Subtle factors make big shifts in outcomes, too. So, perhaps Bodhisattvas by virtue of their lack of generating any negative karma and being a well spring of positive karma and auspiciousness they will impact the outcome of all sentient beings in a positive way. I hope the Lama corrects me, if I'm wrong. ❤🙏🙏🙏
I'm also going to add that this is why we, as Dharma practitioners, should repeatedly and often generate Bodhicitta. With every we do, we should remind ourselves to benefit all beings with our body, speech, and mind.
I'd ask the questions, what the does idea of a final epoch mean in the face of ongoing samsara/cyclic existence, which is by all accounts generated by endless ignorance? Does it mean something else will come to replace it? Or is it a conceptual fallacy on the ultimate level? Will ignorance ever cease to exist? The Prajnaparmita Sutra is good to contemplate for this, I think.
"Therefore, Shariputra, in emptiness there is no form, no feeling, no discrimination, no formation, no consciousness; no eye, no ear, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind; no form, no sound, no smell, no taste, no tangible object, no phenomena, no eye dhatu (dhatu means building block that makes up the physical body) up to no mind dhatu, no dhatu of phenomena, no mental consciousness dhatu; no ignorance up to no termination of ignorance..." This seems to be a key to realizing that these are all appearances and they are generated by karma, cause and effect. Again, I hope the good Lama will correct me if I'm seeing this erroneously.
@@jonmustang thank you for sharing!! It's blowing my mind 🙏💚
Many say that we have already entered the age of degeneration. But there are many ages of degeneration, they go in cycles and these cycles are primarily dependent on the appearance of a teacher (so this could apply to any spiritual tradition)
A teacher appears and spreads the dharma and this influences others. It is like dropping a peddle into the lake. The ripples spread out over time but eventually lose their energy and then fade away. we can see even a year after the Buddha passed their were doubts about exactly what he taught, so naturally after nearly 3 millennia the power of the Buddha's speech (the primary means of sharing his realisation) has diminished.
Also nothing is predetermined because experience is personal and as the Buddha taught is made from karma (of body speech and mind)
Thank you for your insightful comments
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@@ultimatemeaning 🙏🙏🙏🧡🧡🧡
I Really Enjoy Your Channel And Videos Thanks My New Teacher 🌟🙏🖤
Buddha taught there was no foreseeable beginning or end.
Yes and how do you interpret this teaching on Samsara that is without beginning? Thanks for sharing🙏
I genuinely appreciate the video and what you shared. However, I don’t feel you answered the question in the video title. If you have time, please direct to more information on the source of creation from the Buddhist perspective. Thanks!
Hello friend, it is as stated. Apparent reality is created by our karma and because of this "reality" is 1. subjective", and 2. illusion-like. The Buddha taught that there is no substantial reality to be created and so the notion of a creator is essentially flawed.
Having said that, there is a further question "Why is there something rather than nothing?" An answer for which can not be satisfactorily accommodated by religion or science. After years of contemplating this issue in retreat my conclusion is that the Middleway philosophy of the Buddha Dharma can. The problem is that we cling to our preconceptions about the ontological truth so strongly we can not accommodate this truth.
Thanks for participating in the discussion
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Nice talk but he didn't answer the question who created the universe. Ok, he talks about Karma as cause and effect but where did the original cause come from? From a universal mind?
The meaning is that we create our own illusion and will continue to do so until we drop our clinging to false reality. The question "where did everything come from?" Is predicated upon the notion that there is something substantially existent.
The example from the scriptures is someone waking up from a dream about their unborn son Dorje having died, and then thinking ""Its ok Dorje didn't die" of course he was never born
Dear sir,
For me, the idea of Karma would indeed be easy to accept if it simply had to do with recognizable and uncontroversial causation--such as is exemplified by your examples involving persons in rooms and on buses and so on. Karma is difficult to buy, for me at least, because it seems to suggest that those who cause suffering are bound to suffer themselves (as a consequence of causing suffering), whether in this life or the next. There is then an extended version of Karma that includes a suggestion of necessary reciprocity--a law of return even. I suspect this is the sticking point for many. For instance, imagine a demented individual who enjoys hurting and murdering. Imagine further that this person lives out his whole life hurting and murdering and is never impeded or caught--he dies of old age happy for what he had done and without remorse. What about causation says this is impossible? Do we then have to believe in reincarnation to believe that this man's Karma will eventually catch up with him?
I wonder if it is best for one such as me not to engage with this extended version of Karma since a more limited one suffices as a moral motivator and it is beyond my powers of perception and intellect to verify the extended one.
Warm regards,
T
Hello sir, whereas it appears that karma is such a force, what we understand from the Buddhist view from the mind only school and upwards is that subjective experience arises from habitual imprints in consciousness. So by that we understand there is no need for an impelling force that must span one life time to another, or likewise one world to another. Its just about conditioning.
No one has the power within itself to create itself.
Well the point of Karma isn't that we created our self (or a universe for that matter) but that we create our delusion. There is a big difference. Our ultimate aim is to transcend delusion. Thanks for sharing
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🙏🙏 from a Catholic brother😎👍🏻
Please to meet you Dennis welcome to the community! 🙏🙏🙏
@@dennisdolan7250 that you are a catholic is an illusion
I wouldn’t say I’m a spiritual practitioner but I’ve been interested in the spiritual path for some time now. Recognizing the mundane and the futility of it all, how does one begin to practice dharma Buddhism?
Well according to the Buddha you have already made the most important first step, and that is "Recognizing the mundane and the futility of it all" the next step is to determine the cause of this. Well that's how the Buddha's path started anyway! 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning suppose I answered my own question by subscribing and listening to what you have to say. Thank you for sharing these insights, I look forward to learning more Buddha dharma. I believe we can transcend the mundane but like you said it’s not easy.
@@codyspinelli5609 Yes I believe it as well Cody. And good luck on your journey. Feel free to DM me anytime you like
This is what I’ve realized! The vices are what politicians employ, 24/7, while virtues are cultivated by those who realize that cultivating virtue is what the yoga path is!
Yes and it is so dangerous, I hope others realise that all our problems arise out of negative emotions
Many thanks for this profound teaching and for sharing the precious dharma. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thanks Steve!
We can choose not to suffer so hard. Like fire up a joint if you feeling bad. It's hard but I believe we can transcend suffering somewhat.
Well we know there are good times, bad times and "uh whatever "times. Please to meet you friend
@@ultimatemeaning blessings
13:34 “Do not accept what I teach out of mere reverence or respect. Like a goldsmith tests gold by burning, rubbing, and cutting it, see if it’s authentic for yourself". This quote is from Santaraksita's Tattvasamgraha, right? Or is there a corresponding sutta? Thank you 🙏
I get it from the Tibetan sources
དགེ་སོང་དག་གམ་མཁས་རྣམས་ཀིས། །
བསེག་བཅད་བརར་བའི་གསེར་བཞིན་དུ། །
ལེགས་པར་བརྟགས་ལ་ང་ཡི་བཀའ། །
བླང་བར་བྱ་ཡི་གུས་ཕིར་མིན། །
It is slightly different from the one in Shantarakshita’s Compendium of Reality and comes from the Mahayana Sutra Śrīmahābālatantrarāja
See Rikpa Wiki www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Quotations:_Sutras#cite_note-2
@@ultimatemeaning thank you 🙏
@@hansenmarc Welcome friend 🙏
Events happen. Deeds are done. There is no individual thereof.
- Buddha -
In the beginning your words cut like a knife...why? Be kind to people, please...were is Karuna? Sorry, but I have to say that...I hope you think about it. 🙏
May all beings be kind and gentle to each other, supporting and heartwarming. 🙏🕊️
If existence was always here there is no need for a creator.
Yes that is true and one possible solution, but it depends on how you define existence. Buddhism says that Samsara is without a beginning but there Samsara is seen as illusory and adventitious.
A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'...
My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE...
Myoho-Renge-Kyo (Lotus Sutra) represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave.
The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist.
For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is.
Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment.
The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing.
The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence.
The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists.
Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’.
On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication.
For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything.
NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.
Essentially, the universe is a manifestation of God's being, as it reflects all of creation that originates from the Creator. Therefore, one could argue that the universe has existed eternally, just as God has.
Nevertheless, the concept of God is highly ambiguous, causing the word to lose much of its meaning. However, this fundamental aspect of reality is the source of all that will be.
Thanks for sharing that Kevin. In terms of the Buddha Dharma at least then the question is whether there is any substantially existent phenomena or not. And also one must ask "Can there be an uncreated creator?" The short answer (in terms of the Buddhist position) is that such a question doesn't make sense on the grounds of its own assumptions.
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"The Tao is like a well:
used but never used up.
It is like the eternal void:
filled with infinite possibilities.
It is hidden but always present.
I don't know who gave birth to it.
It is older than God."
- Translated by Stephen Mitchell, 1988, Chapter 4 of the Tao Te Ching
Reality is the cosmic dance of god and creation, heaven and earth. Is simply is, governed by the pillar of change. God is not one with creation, but connected, unity-in-distinction.
Interesting, thank you for sharing that. It seems that Buddhism really does have a different take on reality when compared to all other paths 🙏🙏🙏
Its nothing. When it has forms it is finite when it is formless it is infinite.😱😱🥱🥱 Eternal landscape.
-advait vedenta, bhuddism, Hinduism, quantum fileds theory.
So why did physical life have to start in the first place?
If we we were just conciousness without a physical body, wouldn't we all be fine and free of suffering?
Well the scriptures say that the reason why we manifested in the desire realm (embodied in our universe) was because we gave rise to craving. The story is very much like a parable and certainly allegorical. But existence is seen to be cyclical in Buddhism and not linear.
@@ultimatemeaning Thank you.
I've had depression all of my adult life, about 15 years ago at a particularly low point I discovered Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev, I was a typical atheist at this point, but after watching him for several months and seeing how much sense he made I started to believe in the spiritual realm, at first it gave me great joy to think that I would exist forever, but now the thought of being born again and again is the worst thing I could imagine. I would do anything for this to be my last life.
If karma was a thing then you wouldn’t need a police department.
Karma is bs you tell kids to keep them in line.
Karma is taught to be empty, but also infallible- go figure? 🤔 Also the police powers are far to limited to encompass the entirety of causality, for example what can the police do about an asteroid knocked out of its orbit headed on a collision course with the earth?
@@ultimatemeaning simple explanations are the best. If you have to over explain then it’s not a thing.
@@rayhill5767 then why do parents teach their children manners?do unto others...it's important that we behave.
@@rayhill5767 True in general but for example when it comes to a complex topic (like quantum mechanics) there is no choice but to go into detail. But because of this many people have no access to profound concepts
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thank you!
Excellent points of clarification. You are clearly ready to address the world. We must keep the memories of the Great Ones, alive! They have have had high and subtle truths, revealed to them! It’s up to us to pay attention. Thanx so much.
Who are the great ones BTW?
@@ultimatemeaning sorry. my reference is to all the self-realized and/or God-realized, dualists, who channelled the Ways to culture the beast, and gave deeper spiritual meaning to life and death. The One’s whose conceptions upset but up-levelled, civilization’s conscious level.
Small perturbations... very well put, that one flew over my head many times.
On the other hand (or is it in the other hand?) these perturbations are also the ever expanding divisions that lead from the grabbing death and desire and so on, extinguishing and creating desire, that is samsara.
A very spirited talk on being subdued, but it is a very doubly edged sword.
This is, in my mind, very important, or the only importance. But also, and obviously, we(I) are not very good at this at all.
Thank you once more for your love, energy, time and effort.
Come on baby hit me one more time (Britney Spears)
You got the music MAc. And not to worry we aren't supposed to be good at this stuff. We progress from one mistake to another until Buddha hood ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
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One by one
Day by day
Inhale
Exhale
That’s the way….
Big bang theory ,.. look at night time star trails , then pick any 2 different stars equal distance from the centre of that trail , if those 2 stars were different distance away from us [ say 1 was 10 light years and another 6000 light years away ]] . why do they appear to move at the same rate ?. a bird overhead appears to move faster than one 500 metres away but not stars . ?..
all action both gross (physical) and subtle (mental) is causative i.e. an effect of prior causes. But both cause and effect have no inherent existence, they are interdependent. The "self" that is making these apparent choices also is empty of inherent existence (svabhava). The present moment contains all of the past and all of the future in a compressed form. From within that hidden already existing compressed causative structure, which is wholeness, your limited relational view has emerged. When one side is illumined the other is dark. In flow there is no agent of action other than that wholeness.
Hello David pleased to meet you. So can we afford to just ignore the "limited relational view?" for example we have the limited relational view that poison is dangerous, so do any of these philosophical ideas change that fact? Thanks for sharing your thoughts🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning Its all OK! Being, as such, cannot not be an object of comprehension. All is TRUTH. "IT" has been accomplished, past, present and future have no inherent existence.
Which God specifically? There are over 45,000 different denominations of christianity alone. And they’re all badmouthing each other behind their backs, each claiming that only they got it right. And then of course there’s a vast differences between what the various Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, and other sects-religions believe. It’s all a MESS! Just a bunch of ego-minds trying to figure it out.
"What does god...wont with a Star ship?"
CAPTAIN KIRK
I remember that line =)
Then again, in the old series when they reach a planet (planet Cannabis perhaps) and everybody is happy. He says: "But what about suffering? and pain? and War!" Kirk truly was a rock-it-man =))
@@MacShrike A...rocket...man
😆🤣😆 Never realised you had such a good sense of humour Franz. I must find that scene! Which movie was it again, I remember it but not the title 😆🤣😆
@@MacShrike Rocket man
Burning out his fuse up here alone
@@ultimatemeaning Star Trek V the Voyage Home
I have debilitating anxiety till I started meditating, now I suffer less.. simple.
Thank you for sharing your story Vince that is really inspiring! 🙏🙏🙏
I am interested in Buddhism and try to practice, but I no longer believe that free will exists. I make decisions and act as though it does exist, but intellectually cannot understand how it can, taking the line of Sam Harris. This doesn't change most of the lines of reasoning on Karma presented here, but I can't see how everything is not pre-determined.
If everything is predetermined, my friend, then why bother doing anything? Why brush your teeth? Why would you eat healthy? If your future is certain, then why bother choosing a path? My question is, where is the puppet master who has dictated all these supposed outcomes, and to what end? Why? For fun or entertainment? For sport? For cruelty?
You do these things for many reasons, which are too complicated to fully analyse. Although everything is predetetermined, it is too complicated to predict, unless you take a large number of people or things and use statistics. You choose because you cannot help choosing or your choices. There is no puppetmaster just causality. On a practical level, I think one should forget about all this, because it cannot usefully inform any decision you make. Just carry on and don't worry. This is the best I have come up with so far.
Of course at the quantum level things are not pre-determined, there is a degree of randomness, but freewill still can't affect outcomes because then they wouldn't be random.
@@daveycrockett64 So you don't believe in motivation?
Sorry I am not familiar with Sam Harris, but there are certainly major issues with predetermination.
Interesting.
And this is certainly a more rational, healthy, and productive way to define "Karma" than the magic-versions I've heard about.
Although, my understanding of cause-and-effect seems to be a little different than yours (?).
I am a "determinist".
I'm also a "fatalist" in the sense that we can't deviate from whatever path pure physics demand.
However, the reason I look both ways before crossing the street is:
Physics dictate what I care about.
Physics insists that I look, by insisting that I care about not being killed (or worse).
There are many things and many people I care about.
Physics insists.
So then I act accordingly.
Thus, when I try (and when I succeed) in preventing or correcting a situation, I wasn't over-riding causality. I was merely part of causality. And that part was scripted for me by physics.
I'm not merely an actor on the stage.
I'm not even truly separate from the stage.
Nor am I separate from the other actors, nor from the floor, the props, and the air.
It/we are all integral happenings within a larger happening.
The actions which conscious-entities take to both cause and correct for imbalances are all just the larger living system balancing itself.
Yes I am also interested in Physics especially the frontiers where Physics and MetaPhysics meet. For example Quantum Physics shows us that the very fabric of the physical world exists in an indefinite state (superposition) and then very intelligent men are forced to guess (based on the assumption that classical reality is something definite) what mechanism causes waveform collapse. It is essentially the same leap of faith that spiritual practitioners need to make.
from the prospective of Buddhism it is more productive to look at the assumptions (for example the assumption that there is wave form collapse and the notion that this is predicated on "that observables had some fixed identity)
Then the question is , who created ‘God’ …. Somewhere on the ‘existence’ timeline there must be a start a genesis OR ‘Time’ is the key …. Base reality does not exist in TIME! So this Universe is a construct, a design managed in TIME!
In terms of this path we do not believe in a beginning because that notion is predicated on the acceptance of something substantially existent. This also means that the universe and everything in t is a mere construct.
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There was no beginning to the laws of physics and no beginning to God. They are eternal.
No time and space … try and wrap your mind around that state of being - it’s mind boggling. So just as we creating simulations as an extension of this reality, so ‘they’ create the physical universe as an extension of their own reality…. Then we could consider that their state of being could similarly be an extension of another , and so on and so on ! Multiple possibly indefinite Levels of ‘realities’. Wow imagine that.
from our toughts, we are that god
Sounds about right friend!!
This must be true cuz there's no constant weird background sound!
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The same exact question could be applied to god. But oh no god gets this magical get out of jail free card. If god does, then the universe gets the same pass on self creationism
In this context is the Universe not just standing in for God?
Right - but we have experiential evidence of spiritual things creating something from nothing - we create ideas, thoughts, we have imagination, empathy etc. but have no experiential evidence of physical things creating something from nothing. Laws of conservation prohibit that in the physical world / cosmos / samsara.
The only thing we know of in existence that can create from nothing is a spiritual thing.
That' means there is the possibility of a God creating something from nothing, while Buddhism has no similar argument for the possibility of samsara (the cosmos) creating itself from nothing or creating something else from nothing.
Therefore samsara must be infinite or circular - causing itself to exist or eternally existing, otherwise God gets out of jail free.
@@CPS_Leaks Interesting, do ideas come from absolutely nothing, or for example empathy? If ideas came from nothing then could a new born child be capable of generating the idea that inspired Albert Einsteins theory of relativity, or Hawking's theory of black hole collapse.
It seems quite clear that these ideas were an evolution of other ideas that were passed on by previous physicists.
Thanks for sharing
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@@ultimatemeaning Personally I think ideas are just as dependent and caused as everything else, but if a theist wanted to adduce "evidence" for his argument that something comes from a first cause and that cause is personal or spiritual rather than physical, then he's got one arguable piece of evidence, which Buddhism doesn't have a similar argument or piece of evidence.
On the other hand, while his evidence comes from direct personal experience, - like the cogito is directly percieved as true - other indirectly apprehended experiential evidence (neuroscience) isn't exactly going to help proving there is a soul and free will - quite the opposite at the moment anyway - I think about 90% of them answer "no" to the question of a soul if pressed in a survey - I read that somewhere recently but can't remember where.
Your points aren't bad. I still will see things as predetermined in this universe. But my thoughts towards this universe are a matter of calculated probabilities. Nothing seems then to be coincidental and instead is set to occur, like the tides and the stars in the sky. I think that Buddha's teachings, like Jesus' teachings, like Confucius' teachings hold a core truth but were meant mainly for a given people at a given time, or at least a given moment in their development spiritually. It is not my choice as to moving you towards certain truths and away from other truths, but what I value in this existence is that I can communicate with you more directly and explain my own gear in the watch.
What I appreciate most from you is your aim and intention of moving some forward.
Now I believe things to be predetermined because in chemistry down to the smallest particles and even the wave forms without mass there is movement that triggers other parts to move and so on and so forth. In medicine, the chemicals in a mind and the electrons jumping from synapse to synapse follow the rules of those particles and waves they are comprised of. Therefore, my mind and body and words will be dictate of the actions that are certainly not fully understood with our current knowledge. I certainly believe in God and that God is free of our ridged movements as gears in the watch, but then it is only those who God resides in who have what might appear as freedom. God must reside in you because you seek peace, understand, enlightenment, and good will for others. I understand God to be strict about who he will reside in, or at least when he will reside in us. Some are free and some are trapped. All arevin motion and guided by the finiest waves.
Now, when it comes to probability, I don't believe that the actions of anything without God acts on its own, so the dice thrown in a game rely on you, but will fall exactly as they will in a predictable way. So, our current level of understanding in probability is not yet developed so certain things seem by chance.
I think keeping God with us can be challenging for many because we act on fleshly thoughts and brain chemistry. But then, if we are acting based on these chemicals made of waves moving and interacting in predictable paths, do we really have free will or are things predetermined? Without God, they are predetermined. With God, they themselves are fluid.
In short, I think you will positively influence a few people on here.
“The Hindus teach that god is responsible for everything, and whether I experience happiness or suffering, it’s all down to god.”
I thought hinduism was premised on karma, rebirth, samsara, and liberation from samsara (moksha) through one’s own volition and effort. This is the instruction I’ve encountered anyways, in the Vedanta tradition.
That knowledge came from unorthodox folks who are not religious , learn from real source , Hinduism says our actions responsible for all actions whether good or bad , planets or devas or angels as you can call them coordinate our results , those planets have their own specific structure on how to deliver , they have professional altitude they don't take pleasure or sadnnes in their duty they just follow karmic algorithm orders
Herein lies an inner contradiction in the Vedic presentation that I have not as of yet found and answer to, and that is "how can Karma work if God is responsible for creating the UNiverse and everything in it?" Also "how can there be free will exist in such a universe?" and this likewise a point of contention for Christian theologians who do not all agree.
@@ultimatemeaning I don't know enough about the Vedic presentation to answer that question. But Swami Sarvapriyanada is a legit Advaita Vedanta monastic who also has some training in Buddhism, and he offers some food for thought in several videos. I'll link one below.
As for how free-will can exist in a universe created by an intelligent first principle, CS Lewis gives the Christian view here:
“God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong, but I can't. If a thing is free to be good it's also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata -of creatures that worked like machines- would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they've got to be free. Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently, He thought it worth the risk. (...) If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will -that is, for making a real world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings- then we may take it it is worth paying.”
Swami Sarvapriyananda:
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Yes, some think all things are predetermined and they could argue that elections are also predetermined. Just by saying that what happens is meant to happen, rather they vote or not on either person which is based on their conditioning. That would be the outcome of that predetermination.
The only way someone can genuinely think all things are predetermined is if they feed the thought that there is interdependent existence. If one knows a cause the condition is predictable which would make the condition predetermined by the cause. By the nature of a ball being round and by your ability to push it moving it, naturally it will roll. The roundness of the ball making it a ball and your ability to move it are the conditions that will allow it to roll as balls do. That creates the sentence 'i rolled the ball', if it is not a ball that sentence cannot exist as an accurate means of social convenience, it would not be a ball.
All things that change are illusory. The only thing that can't change is truth, the nature of things.
creating from nothing isnt creating, it's actually becoming. one needs raw material in order to create. if there's nothing other than you, how can you be doing anything other than becoming?
to make from scratch, you need "scratch" lol
Is feeling of transedence and awareness is possibly without brain. and body. Beacause meditation induce ego desolation, transedence, Nirvana feeling requires brain and body. But is it outside of human sences,boddy and brain?
I know his aim was to relieve the suffering of sentient beings, so understanding why there is existence is not essential in that regard, but I have to admit that I’m very curious. I guess this is what the christians call the Mystery
Maybe its pride but I have never been happy with the divine mystery excuse 😆🤣😆
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Sādhu Sādhu Sādhu 🙏🙏🙏
Do you follow someone’s teachings or a tradition?
We do not know, how all this got here. So we make up god.
Probably over time things kind of spliced off and did their own thing. If the earth has been around for billions of years, thats likely how things evolved as is
spliced off what my friend? please clarify
Nobody knows, that is the is the most accurate answer.
Thanks Wizzie, that is a very honest answer that many are afraid to admit🙏🙏🙏
BINGO! "Wink, we have a winner!"
I adore your videos. Your warmth and compassion resonate with me, qualities I strive to embody every day. Are you familiar with "A Course in Miracles"? It suggests that the world is an illusion created by the ego. To embrace the true Self, forgiveness is key to transcend this illusion and awaken❤
Ok so we still dont have the answer for "how the hell did everything come from"
Thank you rabie
All that is, is a form of nothing at all. Nothing does not require being created because it is nothing. That which is form is that which is formless and that which is formless is that which has form. Nothing is real.
how do you know this?
@@kushy2508 Good question!
Can "nothing at all "have aspects, facets or forms? If it does does it not cease being "nothing at all?" Just thinking to myself 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning So, if I understand correctly, the current form we are in is nothing more than a conditioned phenomenon with an uncertain shelf life and a definite ending. Nothing else.
Who knows....nobody! Its better to admit you dont know then to assume or assert that a god did
Good point !
I'm thankful for the insight that pain is optional 😉
Likes and dislikes attract the unseen with the same. But the unseen don't have a body and to live life in the temporary a person must have a body if it doesn't somehow it needs to be told.
Notice after a big bang the stillness in the air.
Unseen were therefore are ignorant of the guidance granted.
I was on a pile before creation.
I don't see how any of this disproves predestination. Taking action to change something might as well be predestined as whatever caused someone to be dissatisfied at the beginning.
So choices don't exist for you?
@@bodhicitta3jewels choices exist, but they're just thought patterns that result from a combination of other thought patterns and sense impressions. There's no one choosing anything, that's just an idea that helps us communicate.
@@feanorcfw Interesting! Thank you for sharing your perspective. 🙏🌺
I’m not certain what “god” is. What does “god” even mean?
🙏🙏🙏 Good question, for most it is an end to doubt and inquiry 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning how does one reach the end of inquiry about that which cannot be comprehended? Shouldn’t that increase doubt?
@@ultimatemeaning also your beads I find of interest.
It seems to me that the end of enquiry is when the mind is quiet. If the mind is quiet, it’s naturally not asking questions. I think that’s why meditation is the gold standard of almost all spiritual paths. “Be still and know that I am God” as the Bible verse goes ;)
@@jonmustang awww the Hebrew god, Elohim sits in counsel with the Elohim, but what exactly is an Elohim and how are we to be certain the Hebrews picked the correct one?
Mind is creative
Let's create harmony!
Out come of voting is predermined. If voters has allready decided whome to vote and whome to not. Isn't this is right?
So why do people need to show up? Couldn't we save millions of dollars and spend it on healthcare instead? 😆🤣😆
an endless dream. the moment is like a weird chaos. non existence no concept of time.
God himself is the universe. He created himself but will not tell us how he did that.
@@clodhopper-dodo why would He create something so useless,
Why would god need to create herself? If she was already an agent capable of creation would there be any need? Thanks for sharing
@@MickeyKang or "Why create suffering?"
@@ultimatemeaning agree
Alchemy !..a process of refinement
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I still thank an Eternal God makes more sense, but i still enjoyed the video and found your perspective very interesting 😊
And I thank you for participating in the discussion, your opinion is appreciated 🙏🙏🙏
I hailed from earth.
To each there own ?! Know who you are and the tears of the world listen to no man especially if they don’t really know you.
I sort of get your drift but maybe you could clarify? 🙏🙏🙏
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What if it was already here in some form but it goes through cycles and as a human being we wake up to this
Also this is not really a deep question in spirituality
May never know especially if it's spiritual realms involved
Yes this isn't in any way a foolish position to hold. The question is how does this understanding affect one's conduct? If it leads to a nihilistic view it is concerning. Thanks for sharing! ♥♥♥
@@ultimatemeaning I have spiritual and nihilistic view. Especially since think dark entities may have control of certain things and mind wipe us..
Gods always changed with era region and culture. Gods were never static but temporary holders of the source code.
How we became humans may be difficult to figure out. Whether evolved or landed from stars or put in this prison for experiments of higher beings or etc.
There is only One God, and He remains the same in all ages and eons.
@@TsnDiv there is no such god existed. You are believing in such doesnt mean there is a god. Show me solid evidence . Not some religious scripts. At least we have aliens not god. No buddha jesus krishna again please. None are god. You have no present evidence except some books from the past that we dont agree each other. There is a power or source doesnt mean there is an entity called god.
@@TsnDivdo you realise that almost all religions have this belief? That their god is the only god. It's just your belief. You only believe it because someone told you it was true. You don't know it.
@@snoutysnouterson You make a lot of assumption about me, knowing nothing about me.
@@snoutysnouterson I don’t just believe it. I *know* it. And if you seek, you will also find. Complaining about it will not get you anywhere.
We will never know, only maybe when we die.
I'm ready for it Erik!
why die facing potential damnation.. and getting screwed over due to our own folly... it just doesn't seem plausible
In physics matter and energy cannot make or direct themselves. So there was a time when matter and energy were made as well as time itself since time can’t exist without a great amount of matter. This means there was a time when time was made in the not too distant past. This shows that every physical thing is the result of the Creation.
Only your Creator can perfectly cover for you Himself and remake you again from the inside out by the power of His true word as no one else ever can. This is the only absolute truth in existence.
Thanks for that. How do we interpret the earliest times of the big bang when there is said to be only energy and no time?
@@ultimatemeaning That might be a problem. There is no measurable time without the formation of matter with mass.
@@JungleJargon "in physics matter and energy cannot make or direct themselves... This shows that every physical thing is the result of the Creation" in term s of the Buddha Dharma this logic is based on the assumption that matter and energy are substantially existent or have fixed identity. Similarly the idea that there is waveform collapse (or bifurcation) is based on the notion that conventional reality has taken on substantial existence or specific identity.So if this assumption was incorrect then there would be no need for creation as such. Therefore creation isn't proven in his manner only possible.
So how do we determine if "something" is real or substantial? Well we need to investigate it, right? That's what we have been doing for centuries, at first with mortar and pestle and then recently by accelerating particles. So what are the results? Have we found substantial building blocks or finite constituents of matter and energy?
@@ultimatemeaning Every physical thing is made of energy. It’s bound up forces. It’s substantially existing considering it’s what you are made of. It’s what the earth is made of.
@@JungleJargon I've always wondered- What is energy?
Here, Now, and this./.
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The question is: what do you mean by "god". Probably you were made in laboratory by more intelligent species - it doesnt mean that they are gods.