Don't go looking for Mystical experiences- Nearly everybody get this wrong on the
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- As beginners on a #spiritualjourney the first thing we do is to go looking for mystical experiences, but this is like trying to build a megatall #skyscraper by building the top floor first and then working your way down.
In Zen this is called makyo. Reminds me of a story. A student asked his master, "Master I have had a mystical experience of the Buddha appearing to me, is this the way?" The Master replied, "If you see a Buddha on the way kill him." Confused the student replied, "But you said the Buddha is the way." The Master responded " The way is no way." The student still looked confused. The Master retorted "You are the Buddha, you are the way." Instantly hearing the student found great enlightenment.
Thank you for sharing the story associated with the Zen quote that many here will be familiar with🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning Namo Buddhaya 🙏❤️
@@AwakenedEmptiness 🙏🙏🙏
This reads like suicide encouragement to me, but I don't think that's what I'm supposed to get from the story.
@@hamyzschidenfeld3215 No the Buddha taught that suicide is a waste of time and just makes things worse in the end. But if you don't believe in rebirth then I gues this won't make sense 🙏🙏🙏
He’s basically saying if you want to transform your mind you first need to understand what makes it tick. You can’t try to make great changes without the awareness of why you want this, the effort it will take, are you doing things for the right reason, how much work do you need on yourself and other introspective concepts. Asking questions about your self is important before trying to claim you’ve peaked spiritually. We never will peak because spirituality is maintenance. Awareness is all you get as a spiritual seeker while our abilities seem to be limited.
Thank you for sharing your insight Max, these are words all practitioners need to bear in mind 🙏🙏🙏
I was taught I have to be something, after 50 years I realized I could have been nothing years ago.
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I experience mystical things and siddhis not because I seek them but mostly because I don’t…like all phenomena, I let them pass and return to the Dharma.
Wonderful advice my friend! 🙏🙏🙏
I noticed this too, the universe or karma or whatever. If you are not clinging to wanting, the universe or karma or whatever seems to have a way of giving you what you want/need anyway.
Wise words, you pack a heavy punch. I like the last little bit at the end... very straight forward and sums it up nicely.
Thank you Rose for your kind words ❤
He's right. A profound experience of the Mysterium Tremendum or a direct encounter with the Divine is not child's play. It is not something one does because they are fascinated with esoteric phenomena. Such an experience will profoundly change you and will take decades to integrate. Most of us have years and years of inner work to do before we are even ready for such an experience.
So glad the see that you recognise the difficulty of the path, very few appreciate this point 🙏🙏🙏
Good teaching, always train yourself, the destination is the path, is the training. Not awakaning, beyound awakaning, never to stoap at awakaning, enlightment, and go beyound, always moving. First thing on the path is not to lie.
It makes a lot of sense to me, and I appreciate the video. I think maybe most of us start off this way, and then after fruitless quests we begin to understand how it was always right in front of us.
Yes sRooster that is exactly how it is! 🙏🙏🙏
Very important, thanks so much .
I often noticed, people are formal practicing , but holding on to their old mental habit formations.
You are welcome my friend 🙏🙏🙏
Probably one of the best 8:41 minutes this week: the path in a nutshell 🙏🏼📿
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I'm guilty of everything that was spoken here. A Hindu teacher who I can not spell his name once said, "You can't get rid of something until you know what it is."
That Hindu teacher knows his stuff!
Oh, great words! Gratitude for your comment. Thank you, kindly.
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@@franzhaas5597 and same here. Guilty of same.
@@Nick-gq2iy Welcome Deneen!
This makes a lot of sense to me 🙏🏽
Truly! I’d LOVE to reach this state, but I have such terrible focus, be it due to titration of a drug I should never have been on for years, or...I don’t know what, but I can’t seem to sit still (akathisia?) & meditate...20 years ago, I did with a gentle yoga group. It was wonderful! Now...also with spinal issues, it’s hard to be comfortable... I thank you for your wisdom! And I really don’t know how to correctly meditate. (As for the mystical...some, but most likely from the pendulum swing of the sensory overload of withdrawal-cool experience, nevertheless.) So...hoping to learn Tai Chi. I loved to feel that E flow when a wonderful elderly woman would visit our home, when my mom was dying.
i went looking and found it! and the dream woke up to itself
eh ma ho how wonderful 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for this wonderful lesson. I have taken it to the heart. May peace be with you.
Thank you for your kind words ☮☮☮
This is a very helpful Reality check!
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Thank you Sir ❤ I went seeking psychic abilities and such, but I ended up in a psych ward. Tradition says to avoid that stuff for a reason! Lol
Thank you Mateo, I hope you are well now my friend 🙏🙏🙏
Good point sir. They come of themselves.
Yes Ray, when the time is ripe
Practice good ethics in your life, meditation practice ( concentration & visualization) and finally cultivate wisdom. You can’t have wisdom if you don’t have good ethics. Like he said start with a foundation.
Thank you Donald that is very sound advice for anyone who is serious about the path! 🙏🙏🙏
The skyscraper example is so perfect. Give me sila and shamatha, thank you very much. 😊
You have some clarity on the situation I see! 🙏🙏🙏
Only thanks to teachers such as yourself who are taking the time to communicate the path clearly to us. Thank you, I'll make sure to come back and dig into your content as this was the first video of yours I encountered. 🙏🏻
@@HappyMutantSpeaks Watched your video on meditation, tahnk you for that.
Here is a playlist about meditation: ua-cam.com/play/PLu8Rw0r4aAhQz8z8-zXqowrelLiQAfnC-.html
Great, I'll be checking that out soon.
Bliss is empty. Spiritual experiences are empty. Do your practice. It's nothing "sexy" and you will have a variety of experiences, including boredom. Keep going. All these experiences are nothing more than a crashing of the waves of the ocean or the passing of clouds in the sky. Thank you for this succinct teaching. 🙏🙏🙏
It's nothing "sexy" 😆🤣😆 So true many people are looking for Jazzy and Sexy experience (Spiritual exceptionalism)
@ultimatemeaning Indeed. I often remind myself that the experiences I'm having are just a good example of the rising and falling of phenomena. If I stay in the present moment without attachment, I may eventually see beyond this phenomena. 🙏🙏🙏
@ultimatemeaning At the beginning of my spiritual journey, I fell prey to these illusions and still catch myself to this day. It's really something you have to stay on top of.
@ultimatemeaning Not only is it NOT sexy, but often I feel people see my enthusiasm for spiritual practice as wacka-doodle. I use it as a tool to renounce the need for social approval and being one of the "cool kids."
@@bodhicitta3jewels Yes we all really want to believe but at some point we have to leave our childish games behind and gain maturity in practice.
Thank you. I really appreciate the no bullshit approach you present.
Thanks friend! 🙏🙏🙏
True. I'm glad finally someone said it
Thank you for your support 🙏🙏🙏
I can wholeheartedly agree with you from my very limited insight! I have been studying Zen in the Soto tradition for 25 years, although my practice is now very much inspired by the words of Pema Chödrön (just by the way) and i managed to get lost in "emptiness" for 20 years, that's what I now call it, and the reason was precisely that I didn't want to open up to the symptoms of my traumas
/ Suffering , as long as one's own practice serves the purpose of escaping the ordinary human experience, one does not experience (or did I experience) any significant and deep change but (as you say) continues to lurch between desire and aversion. I still do that, but in an increasingly "open space", and in this there is a place for both pain and joy, or as Sekito Kisen said: "The four elements return to their nature, like a child to its mother. Fire heats, wind moves, water wets, earth is solid." Best Regards from Berlin 🙏(I apologize if my words are difficult to understand, English is not my native language)
Thank you for sharing and no need to apologise for your English it is perfectly understandable to me. I can see that your comments come from a position of direct experience.
And this is a common pitfall that many stumble into. Equating "emptiness" with nothingness than many become numb to the suffering of others and the troubles of the mundane world. The same applies to those who adhere to a mistaken notion of non duality.
I wish you all the success on your journey!
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@@ultimatemeaning Thank you very much, I wish the same for you and all beings! 🙏
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Hi Mono, I am in Western Canada and interact with others mostly using Zoom. What country are you in? I might know of a sangha near you 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning Hi lama Choga (is this correct ?) thank you so much for your answer ! 🙏Ah... , you live in Canada, that explains the incredibly beautiful nature in your videos! I live in Berlin, Germany, if you know a teacher / sangha near here that you like, I would be happy if you tell me the name! I don't know how your Zoom meetings are held, but maybe at some point I'll be able to take part in one of them, even if I'm not sure my English is sufficient for that, I often don't even know how I can formulate questions about the practice in German, but maybe that's just the nature of things or thing!? I send you greetings from the other side of the Atlantic! 🙏 🙏🙏
I just felt scolded 😢. 🙏🏽 thanks you for your words .. ❤
I seem to have that effect on people! 😆🤣😆
Thank you for your important message. Particularly for the need to be selfless which i find very hard to do 😋
The path is difficult but at the same time liberating. Thank you for participating 🙏🙏🙏
Very refreshing. Is nice to undo the conditioning, and just be true.
Thank you for being fresh and true!
Jai Guru! 🙏🏻
I can't help but wonder if a lot of people are farther along than they realize, and it's just us introspective types that need to claw our way up from a fairly extreme degree of... self-awareness? "Wow, you're so self-aware" people say, while they seem to do what we aim to do... just _do_ things. At least to some extent.
I was empty first .It is me I am it is granted. When the known and unknown pressures that sustain the body are taken back when the concepts needing the 5 senses and the 5 senses are taken back. That is feeling mystical. The quietness stillness and tranquillity is at least 300 miles away from society in the afterlife. It is profound.
Actually all experience is mystical but seeing it to be ordinary we go searching for something special and miss the point 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning I was reminded in the afterlife. I was looking outside. It would be easy to miss it inside. But it doesn't miss.
The ones experiencing mystical are the ones caught in memory between worlds. They are missing the point
@@ultimatemeaning our concept of everything doesn't come close.
@@ultimatemeaning I believe a sheet of paper is the floor at the between. Any projection is a imprint against what is and brings instant retribution through the non human. That is what I cull. Non human.
@@between666 Yes missing the point is almost all we ordinary beings can do
all experience is mystical experience. this is a lot of should should should, youre doing it wrong, do it my way instead. the awakened heart allows all things to be, accepts all, welcomes all, receives all, includes all. inclusivity (upehka) is the highest of the brahmaviharas. the path is unique for each being. making things look difficult is a great way to create gradients of social power based on religious doctrines, which is not the same as spiritual awakening. this has happened often in tibetan culture, which is essentially feudal. spirituality is the easiest thing in the world. nothing else is easier.
Next time you stub your toe or whack your funny bone have a look at this mystical experience and how acceptable it is. 😆🤣😆 Sort of a joke but not really. Thanks for sharing 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you, this was helpful to me.
Thanks for watching Robert 🙏
Mystical experience in my opinion is an evolved self help mechanism, it is like gravity the ancients knew all the practical applications of it but had no idea why it worked. They think it runs on the serotonin system (regulates memory, learning, feeling good among other things), with the increased neuroplasticity and massive amounts of serotonin I described it as feeling like I had a cloud of energy (or halo also called a nimbus or cloud) around my head for nine days.
Thank you sensei
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Wonderful construction analogy
Hanging gardens of Babylon spring to mind 😆🤣😆
This is one of your best videos. Thank you.
Thank you Jason, and just so I better understand your reasons, what specifically makes this video stand out from the rest? 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks!
transparent like a clear open sky :)
wonderful 🙏🙏🙏
So elegantly put. Thank you
Welcome my friend
Sir...you are SPOT ON! So...is there a place to start...regarding meditation? Or should I not bother due to withdrawal & feeling like I could jump out of my skin? I thought maybe I’d try Tai Chi...if I can find a teacher...3 have quit the Sr. Ctr in my area. Do you have any guidance to offer where to start?? I feel quite lost & feel too old to be so lost. (I will need to watch this again.) Again, thank you for your words of wisdom. Now I understand what my Buddhist friend was trying to say. 💎🙏🏼
Tai Chi and similar techniques are very good forms of Shamata meditation especially for people who find it difficult to sit still (that isn't necessary) 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning much gratitude. 🙏🏼
I don’t know how to meditate at all, no attention span, no control over my very noisy voice in my head. It’s hopeless. And he’s correct I’m very upset, angry about what’s happening around me and in the world. HELP!
Hi Winnie, please don't give up hope, at very least we here in this small community care for you
@@ultimatemeaning Thank you, that’s so kind.
Really good thanks
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Thank you this is so helpful!
Thank you for your support Brian.
I needed to hear this. Thanks.
So happy I could be of some service 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaningLet's hope I build on the momentum!
@@1littlebrainthatcould Yes, yes get the momentum going! and set your trajectory to the stars! 🌠
Ouroboros - 7.44 .
Thankyou for this .
Welcome Limpet!
@@ultimatemeaning Thanks for sharing your knowledge , wisdom and humility too - very kind .
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Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies: Christians who understand JC are extremely few, while Advaita Vedanta practitioners can understand Him perfectly. "My yoke is easy and my burden is light." The only way to properly SEEK is to simply DESIRE TRUTH without prejudice. This requires that one has overcome FEAR sufficiently. And Samsara is designed perfectly, such that this all comes together with perfect timing for each and every soul. It's like swimming: relax and everything will work out fine, but get up-tight and fight the "water" of Fate by trying to take control, and you can make it very hard for yourself.
This is also the case on the Buddhist path. Most Buddhists don't understand the Buddhist path. Thanks for sharing
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So true!
SPOT ON, SIR! I admit it! I want OUT! YESTERDAY! Ok, 18+ years ago! I am a patient sufferer, but it’s exhausting. Fiancé commmited suicide, No family left. Almost all friends have moved, housing issues, ad infinitum. And now my comment has been moved further down the line... 🤨/😁🤷🏻♀️
I just want OUT! OUT! OUT! But every now & then, I get some E & am in GREAT JOY, but, I still just want to be able to get on the right path, to maybe get rid of fear & work on myself to help myself, and be able to be of service to others...how? I don’t know. (I still have to get all the way off that drug, but it may take me the rest of my life, in truth.)
I have manifested some things I wanted & some horrible things! At least that’s my perception of things from being a student of this...but as Lester Levenson said, “become desireless, imperturbable, a lover of all since we are ONE with all...learn who you are!” - Paraphrased. - Cynthia
The start is aspiration and generating the mind of loving kindness compassion. Best wishes
@@ultimatemeaning thank you for sharing this with me! 🙏🏼
It is possible to build a skyscraper from the top down. You can use cranes to hold the upper levels while the lowers are attached. Ancient teachings coupled with modern technology, the Internet, are the cranes.
Wow amazing! please tell me which skyscraper has been built this way so i can check it out myself
Truth is a pathless way….not all the abstract theories and scriptures. They will never bring anyone to the truth. Truth needs to be discovered when all authority, past or present, all theories and teachings are dropped. If you practise according to a method or a way, it is based on someone else’s experience, not yours. Truth can never be a static thing. If truth is something to be achieved, then it is a goal at the end of a rainbow but it cannot be. Truth is always constant and not the same for each one of us. If not, those people who do not read or study the scriptures, what happen to them - do they get enlightened or find freedom at all??
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Can you please clarify something? You write "Truth can never be a static thing" and later "Truth is always constant" Is this an intentional contradiction, and if so what is the intended meaning? Thanks again. 🙏🙏🙏
At some of the more arduous challenges on the path of meditation we balked. We thought we could find an easier, softer way. But we could not. With all the earnestness at our command, we beg of all meditators to be fearless and
thorough from the very start. Some of us have tried to hold on to our old ideas and the result was nil until we let go absolutely.
Remember that we deal with Samsara - cunning, baffling, powerful! Without help it is too much for us. But there is a way that provides all direction and power - that way is the Dharma. May you find the Dharma now!
Half measures availed us nothing. We stood at the turning point. We asked Vajradhara for his protection
and care with complete abandon.
Half measures are better than none! Remember "never overlook the slightest virtue"
I am not sure permanent enlightenment or liberation truly exist at least in this form, sure their is emptiness at the center of all beings, but emptiness connotes being filled, and that as soon as we empty ourselves of one thing another ultimately fills it in, we all believe something, even if it's nihilism and the belief that their is no inherent meaning, I had a profound experience of this early in my path, and became obsessed with the escape from belief, and found it quite impossible, sure I could change what they are, but I could never not have them, I chose to believe in Love eventually seeing that it was the best path forward, all my meditation and spiritual practise taught me was that I am what is perceiving, and that our beliefs construct our reality or at least how we interact with it, I pretty sure from what i've seen that the emptiness at the center of being fills itself in with an idea of self, and that no matter how many times you shatter the illusion, it reforms in a new form, so maybe our job is to learn to mold it into the best form we can. I think we can experience liberation from self in short bursts of ego death we can achieve, but that such a state is temporay state achieved through ussally a great deal of effort, and that one can craft themselves to be as humanly close as possible by attempting to integrate lesson achieved from such states.
Hi Lucy thank you for sharing the story of your journey. It is true "Love" is the best belief! 🙏🙏🙏 Just understanding emptiness is difficult enough, no need to mention realisation of that truth is no simple task. Although flashes of insight may arise through great effort liberation itself is self arisen. the effort involved is expended in remedying our negative tendencies, and under certain circumstances this can act as a cause to reveal the true nature, but that nature itself is unchanging and "permanent" what is temporary is the adventitious obscurations.
So far, I've renounced weed, doughnuts, and letting people manipulate me 😂
Bravo Mary!
Been there at that stage,I also blame the followers of some Gurus that make them great since they got special abilities,too bad even Satan or Mara can have the same abilities and even better then them,means nothing,
The true miracle is to be whole heartly into this daily life we have been given and to remove your negative behaviours and help and not damage others,
The essential point in the context of the Mahayana is whether or not one has Loving kindness compassion. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!♥
My mystical experience will be creating Fortress Accident, text MMORPG sequel to critical darling and cult mega-hit, Disco Elysium. Can't wait, gonna be massive.
You dont have to look for a mystical experience, if you take 4 grams of magic mushrooms (psilocybin cubensis) you will be forced to have a mystical experience.
Wellthat isn't what I call mystical that is physical. It is an emergent property of a physical influence on the nervous system.
@@ultimatemeaning A dualist?? :)
Saw an interview of a guy who was in prison for doing pimp stuff and found a book about Siddhis. He devoted himself to the practices of those Siddhis because he wanted to have a way to escape prison. While meditating and contemplating he became self-realized. Everyone has their own path. If you want to be a meditator for 70 years, go right ahead.
Did he escape the penitentiary as well in the end? 😆🤣😆
@@ultimatemeaning I’m pretty sure he was released early for good behavior! 😂 Thank you for yours.
@@charlesp7504 😆🤣😆 Thanks for the beautiful story friend. reminds me of the Glasgow gangster who became a famous author serving a life sentence 😆🤣😆
Can I cultivate renunciation while still working on my worldly goals? How much do I need to renounce? I'm an artist, and I have an artistic project that will probably take my entire life to accomplish, but once it's done it will hopefully be of benefit to a lot of beings. Would you recommend giving this up, or simply approaching it in a more detached way, not caring about the outcome? What about relationships? Can I have a girlfriend and still cultivate renunciation?
I'm about to turn 25 and I've been looking into stream-entry. What are your thoughts on the compatibility of my situation with awakening?
I'm mystified that I still appear to be corporeal!?
Hello friend appearance in embodiment
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I need to meet God or the architect of existence , so I can change the reality of my life
Have you tried prayer? God listens
@@ultimatemeaning maybe he listens but doesn't do anything
@@Pandanarang528 If you have faith in God then she will give you refuge, although you may not understand at the time your journey will bring you clarity in the end
I was hoping you could help the poor being who knows he has no karmic positivity---he can do nothing to get one step closer to ultimate realization. Meditation, forget about it. Good deeds. Shallow and one against a beginningless eternity of evil deeds. He is stuck in samsara for eternity. Is there any way out? Asking for a friend.
What do you think about The Mind Illuminated book?
The irony.
We go looking for a journey, in the form of wanderlust.
Only to realize we were empty the entire time and if we didnt do anything to find ourselves you wouldve fell into oneness
YEs Eli but sadly we cling so strongly to self identity (the opposite of emptiness) that we have to work very hard to eliminate our negative tendencies 🙏🙏🙏
Its almost as if most Spiritual pursuits are just techniques for manufacturing experiences.
Yes this is so true, we use the creative power of the min to justify our blind faith and ignorance! 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning My Dad calls it 'laying a trip on yourself'.
@@barefootarts737 Hey I like your dad's way of thinking, very apt! Love the bowed lyre BTW do you make them yourself?
@@ultimatemeaning yes
(2:33) The mundane world is not unsatisfactory and have never ever been it. "The first truth" is a fallacy and if you understand this one thing you DO NOT NEED to use 1000 upon 1000 of hours on all sorts of practices. If you accept this fallacy you are dreaming, so short can it be said
If not then why do we cause suffering for other being just so that we ourselves can survive, why do the evil minded dominate the weak and disenfranchised in their pursuit of power and wealth, why now are millions suffering in Gaza and Ukraine, why do children suffer abuse and trauma, and the list goes on as long as human history. Of course if you consider all this to be satisfactory then I guess the mundane world is OK? But for me the world has much room for improvement
Thank you for participating in the discussion.
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@@ultimatemeaning First of all it's not even a fallacy, it's only an assertion. Why do I then write it's a fallacy? Because Buddhists holds it as a truth without any analysis at all... And if some holds an assertion as a truth without analysis (pre-judice) we can in this case say it's a mistaken truth and therefore a fallacy. If you had taken just a primary course in logic you would know I'm right. Furthermore I thing you know I'm right and chose not to dispute me. We can never go from a to d in logic and that's what you chose to do instead, - your answer is called a red herring in logic and doesn't work on me.
No satisfactory no unsatisfactory, no sane no insane, no sun no moon, no vowels no consonants, - keep up your studies
There is lots of good thing in Buddhism but a fallacy never becomes a diamond.
Thank you for your participation in the discussion
The Real Philosopher
@@JuanHugeJanus In the Buddha Dharma there is taught to be three levels of analysis: No Analysis, slight analysis, and thorough analysis and these correspond to three broadly classified individuals- the worldly, the ordinary beings on the path and noble beings.
The Buddha was a noble beings and discerned the 4 truths using thorough (infallible) analysis, but this was taught in accordance with the listeners at the type (his five excellent companions. This is the 1st turning of the wheel of dharma where the truth of emptiness is only partially explained.
The 2nd turning given at the deer park focused principally on the teachings of emptiness and bodhicitta where emptiness is fully explained.
In the 3rd turning on top of the meaning of emptiness is taught the truth of signlessness. All three teachings lead to liberation but only the second and third bring the result of final Buddhahood the cause of which is Bodhicitta. There is a difference in terms of subtlety and which teaching is more suitable largely depends on the intelligence of the student.
Importantly regarding your claim that the truth of suffering is a fallacy, whereas in the 1st turning the Buddha taught the 4 truths, in the 2nd it was the two truths (the provisional and the ultimate), however in the 3rd only the single truth of transcendence was taught. So in the context of the 3rd turning the truth of suffering is provisional.
But the most important point and this is what I was referring to in the previous comment, is that for us ordinary beings the truth of suffering is undeniable. If you can honestly say to yourself that you have no suffering then you are not an ordinary being, but I suspect that this would be a false claim.
Thank you for the engaging discourse
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I can meditate and clear my mind of all thoughts and be in this like dark empty sea, but why do people practice this? What is the point of being in that state?
In the Tibetan tradition we don't value this kind of meditation much, in fact we see it to be an obstacle to liberation 🙏🙏🙏
Neo-Advaitins ,make this go viral !!
Somehow I suspect I don't have the "viral" karma! 🙏🙏🙏
What is his experience or opinion on magic mushrooms?
I'm realizing that the so-called Spiritual path will take a few lifetimes for me and I do feel a bit more relax, does it makes sense ?
Now what you have said is very sensible and more profound than it sounds! 🙏
Its very hard for me not to search for these things I just want some kind of proof some verification that all these spiritual claims like devas or Bodhisattvas are actually real I understand the removing of suffering is the main purpose but its hard to follow buddhism when i here from so many people of many traditions that they have these mystical experiences ive never had anything like that no matter what religion i try or practices I do its frustrating because it would be too simple to write them off as delusional or liars it wouldnt make sense
but I just need some kind of proof for these things
What if I want to do this? will you come stop me, mr solemn zen face
You are a free agent, don't mind my general advice about the spiritual path, it isn't for everyone 🙏🙏🙏
@@ultimatemeaning I'm just trolling
@@asor8037 Yes I know friend, its OK.it keeps me on my toes!
I've always admired some of the ways of Eastern thought schools. However, they also have their short comings as all of human tools do.
Religions are ... training wheels. They are not the vehicle to "enlightenment". They are only pointing the way to ... no way.
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"Everything is empty" okay, now try "Everything must contain nothingness, otherwise it would be incomplete" And likewise you can say "Nothing, must also contain nothing of nothing, delegated to section within that would contain everything, or else it would be incomplete". Then realise they're the same. They occopy the same understanding. It is just our measuring being too small that make them appear as seperate. So, an empty eye, can suddenly become an eye full of light. I disagree with the altruistic mind, I see that more assn aspect of the first noble truth. Trying to yo fix and heal, will force people to awaken to how bad the system is. Besides, it is a little bit too convenient for the ruling class that people are taught to be self sacraficing. In fact, I would call that the earthly. It is essentially Jesus dying on the cross, or soldier dying for the king. Or, the Mary with the baby. Men make soldiers, women make babies. Rulers rule. Their gluttony kept in place by the dukkha, Wich Buddhist text further breaks down into categories. These "sufferings" are to be renounced, and it is very difficult, because they also motivate the pursuit of release, Nirvana or Liberty through being absorbed enough in human consciousness to summon any it at will. It is very hard to accept the correct view that the dead are not lost and are just actors gone off the stage.
Emptiness isn't nothingness, nothing cannot contain because it is only an imputation, everything cannot be contained and similarly cannot be a container.
In the buddha dharma and in general in all dharmas altruism is taught to be the essence of all practice .
As the Buddha taught "Principal is not class, likewise bloodline isn't principal, Principal is training"
don't know much about Jesus
Suffering is taught to be karmically neutral
and "consciousness is the guest and the body a guest house"
Nirvana cannot be absorbed , and the dead do not die.
Thanks for sharing
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@@ultimatemeaning I see your reply is very thought-out. I will read it carefully and consider it throughout this Saturday.
I am about to read it. If you are to take anything from me this day, I would say:
I meditate in my breath. I send it all the way down into the preneum expands, aaaah-tung. In and out, using both the mouth and nose, it kind of naturally closes the mouth that sound. It gets it right, the focus is on my preneum expanding.
Because my focus is on my preneum through the breath, I forget, Ignore or selectively do not include my sight. Upon returning to it, I see blobs. I am very happy with myself. I see orange and purple blobs. Haha I am the greatest, and surely I will become buddha.
After some weeks of feeling good about my practise, I decided it was time to go beyond seeing purple and orange blobs. Once more I sat, did my routine, but now upon returning I thought "purple and orange blobs, I am too good for you! I am not gonna look, I will go beyond you!".
Then, the blobs evaporated like mist. Replaced by a darkness that was darker than the usual play behind the eyes, this took less than a second. A 3d landscape, of simple geometric shapes spinning, expanding and opening up. I saw 3d landscapes of movement and geometry. Haha! I Declared, surely I am the greatest, I will become Buddha!
I continued the process. Then suddenly one night, when I was gonna fall asleep, I just fell deeper and deeper. I realized I am too focused to fall asleep normally. So, I had to be raptured into the dream.
So suddenly the lights turned and I was standing in a reception. The woman asks me "What are you doing?" And I say "I am here now".
Then, I can humbly admit that I got distracted and lost it. Minor issues that must be evened out with practise. But still though, I woke up the next day and Haha! I am the greatest! Surely one day, I will be fully awake.
And the dream of nirvana will be liberating.
- Oh, and that's not a saying or anything. Just some stuff that happened to me. It was pretty cool, I am still learning though. Staying humble for that fast track samjak sambodhi goodness. I just know how to celebrate my victories, that's all.
@@ultimatemeaning I see in my writing that I value first hand experience. However I found it useful to read that the body was a house and consciousness is a guest. I have been doing a lot of union, Hatha yoga and Kundalini. It seemed beneficial to separate, I accessed states that seem out of body some hours ago. That could be difficult if my headspace is on full oneness, where there is neither nothing or everything to separate oneself from.
I thought of what you said. I put nirvana/liberation as the goal, I did not budge here. However I reflect, it is true that many practitioners I watch, that are considered advanced, globally and across multiple systems, do show high altruism. Most recent example I know of was when bishop Mar was assaulted, stabbed in the eye, yet always remained in prayer for the salvation and God's mercy upon his attacker. From this I reflected on the concept of oneness and solipsism. Like a character in a dream, I do not watch you. I watch "my you". Same as if I saw my body in second person view from your field of vision, I would say "who has cast me out of my body?".
Now, I observe from my writing, that I dislike using pali words. I prefer awake to Buddha, I prefer liberty to Nirvana. I like keeping this simple and open. On the other hand, I prefer dukkha to "suffering". Because I like the definition in the text defining dukkha. The text, that goes through the various forms of dukkha, show that the problem has been understood.
This prevents Buddhism from presenting itself in my view as the coping mechanism of the loss. Sukkha, the opposite of dukkha is real. I use the example of dreams, it's something a human can access fast first-hand knowledge from. It is very important that those who suffer dukkha understand that the problem is understood and a satisfactory solution is attainable, in this life, within 7 to 15 years.
Sometimes If I as a practitioner is very stressed, I as the teacher, conditioned with perfected view, understanding, right speech can do the action of saying "calm down, this takes 30 years to achieve" and then manifest a huge progress and strong experience during guided meditation that very night. I have also experienced the opposite "no, we are gonna keep going, I know we can make a breakthrough tonight" and we did.
You can find this level of mastery in Sufi Muslims, gnostic christians, kabbalah Jews, Buddhists practitioners and Hindu yogis. With ears to listen and eyes to see, I can pick up skill easily from these sources. I actually learned a way to breathe heat into my body, tummo breathing, just by looking at pictures and being soaked in rain on my way home on my bike. This is tantra, as a secret within, kept from myself and revealed by myself. Delivered by Tibetan tantra in the form of pictures and empathy. The pictures seemingly try to depict a feeling, and so I also get heightened compassion. Renunciation naturally follows being a master if unbearable compassion. And those ascended masters are worshiped in vajrayana and called upon for help, because their compassion is unbearable. They must help, they cannot stand it.
I have more, but I think this is enough. It's not a small bite, but you're not a hungry ghost. I am well aware that you monks mediate for many hours, and those who have reached a level in the 8-fold path in a sense never break their meditation, whatever they do.
Seeing fabrication. Hearing irritability. Now.
ཐུགས་རྗེ་གནང་
གལ་ཝོད་མ་རེད།
The Self-Realized are everywhere. Don’t fall into the traps of this guy’s beliefs.
agreed. this is authoritarian and prescriptive. truth is a pathless land, as krishnamurti wisely said.
@@niconico4114 right on, I agree wholeheartedly. I don’t discount the discipline of a Buddhist meditator. Just the beliefs that hold them back for realization in this lifetime. I once belonged to a Buddhist discipline(cult). It aided my inquiry seeing through it(pathless path)
Don't tell me what to do
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