Clearly realistically speaking, the 20 mm and .50 cal should be slow as f... they should be also slow to ADS, those are made heavy to handle such caliber, I don't think we're going to see a 3D printed Barrett in any near future. For the gameplay, it should be the same. Horrible recoil, slow to handle in every way, leading moving target way in advance, but destructive for any vehicule or people. For sure, the M82 is now the top dog, once the community will have abused it too much, destroying any willingness to have fun in multi, there are just going to nerf it to the ground, like they always do. Sad
That was nothing compared to what they did to the snipers now 😂. The cod sniping community was toxic asf back then, it was just a tiny ass rate of fire nerf and they sent Vondahaar death threats lol.
I just switched over to the ballista and practiced aiming to the chest because it was a 1shot only to the chest and up it wasn't a big deal for me but yeah dsr didn't need to be nerfed it seems like treyarch always hated quickscoping but infinity ward never cared they always had easy quickscoping and don't nerf anything
@@frankc4364 Even after the DSR Nerf I still used it for quick scoping. Was too used to its one shot waist up to the point I sucked ass with the ballista.
@@Imghostie_ttv yeah I still used it to but I remember when you quickscoped after the first shot if you miss you don't get another your pretty much dead at least with ballista it's faster man I miss black ops 2
It’s not like it wasn’t obvious. People who actually think sniping is hard are idiots. Then again, everything in these games is easy. It’s simple and nothing is meant to be hard so things being easy should be expected.
maybe (im late - i skipped this game but got it recently since it's free rn) but they turned this gun basically into a bolt action. snipers look kind of garbage in this game - i guess ill just stick to ARs, SMGs and tactical rifles. are the aug and m16 still good or are full autos better? type 83 felt good to me.
After a few hours of playtime today I've noticed a major shift for the sniping community over to the M82 and K31. Saw quite a few people actually running both in the same loadout
Before I stopped playing it all together post patch I switched to m82 and k31. They made the pellington and Tundra less effective. Which is a shame. Then they got rid of snipers only.
@@hyperfixatesontouhou I used to HATE the M82! Now I’m so happy that a sniper with such beauty, performs so magnificently. Pre-patch it was my most hated sniper, post-patch it is my favourite sniper out of them all! I never would’ve imagined that to happen.
I think the only people this will affect are the worst of the worst quickscopers. I think this change is negligible even for bad quickscopers. If they want to make it skill based remove aim assist.
the swiss k31 is literally just a better pellington, same ads, same One-shot areas, but better bullet velocity and rechamber speeds. Why would anybody use the pellington now, better sprint to fire lmao?
@@VaporValkerie bro i just wanna get diamond and leave now bloodthirsties are going to be more of a challenge, at least i already have gold for the zrg
word of advice on the m82: it got a weird nerf where after you fire a bullet (noscope or quickscope) it slows you down a LOT, and I assume they did this to keep the m82 from becoming the best sniper now that it's damage is actually good
It does need a buff. At the very least they need an ads time buff. Most weapons in the game can kill you before you ads. The Tundra's fastest build has an ads time of 583ms with base weapons having an average ttk of about 382ms which is 200 ms faster than the sniper can even ads. And yeah if they're not dead before they finish adsing then they better hit that shot through the flinch because if they miss they're still dead
I just cant believe they patched weapons and didnt fix the Speed Grips for SMGs. How a speed grip on a AR makes you faster than a speed grip on a SMG is just insane to me
I like how they called it a “rework” and then just straight up nerfed the snipers. I really hope that people start complaining about them again. I really want to hear what they complain about next.
i mean, now when i put three shots into a sniper's dome, if they're bad, they'll flinch off, not compensate right, and lose the fight, like they should. sounds fair to me.
M82 is pretty beastly now, but yeah I don't really think they needed to nerf bullet velocity or ADS times. K31+SASR grip seems like it will still be pretty good for sniping through return fire. Airborne elastic wrap really got dumpstered, and it's arguably a worse speed tape now.
Hey ACE Quick Question ... Do you or Anyone else know Why the ROZE Bundle: Behind the Mask with M13 Blueprint Acid Traccer Rnds. CANNOT be found in store ?
In my region, combined arms itself is gone for weeks now, I have not played (can't even find matches) combined arms once since season 2 first week.. LoL Basically not enough combined arms players..
@@chrispayne244 I'm in India. So it's south east asia servers or middle East for me... I can't get a ping better than 72 anyway... I can easily find core gamemodes in 30-45 secs but never combined arms... The lobby never fills.. I've even waited 4-5 mins in the beginning...
The "incoming changes to pistols" note is honestly fucking hilarious knowing now that they changed basically nothing but a couple of % of bullet volocity
Don't understand Treyarchs vendetta against sniping. So frustrating to use these sluggish ass guns, now flinching to the moon when everyone shoots the hell out of you as you're still struggling to lift your scope to your eye as we continue in our futile attempts to reach level 50 in search of some fantasy where the attachments actually make the snipers feel good.
Right. Like 80% of people use the 74u, lc10, ak47, and krig6. These are the guns that are broken when it comes to cw mp. Along with maybe the aug being an automatic sniper rifle
It should only take one SnD lobby to work out that quickscopers are the loudest, most obnoxious bunch within CoD. This reaction would’ve happened regardless.
I don't think any practiced quickscoper, especially on MnK, will be affected too much. Might just reduce the ballsiness factor with sniping by a little bit, since you're not the same invincible bullet eating machine that you were before. Aggressive sniping taking more effort to pull off effectively is fine by me.
Flinch was needed. It’s was stupid to get the drop on a sniper, land your first 4 shots then get dropped because they could tank those rounds while sprinting out and scoping in. ADS didn’t need to get changed.
"But if you find yourself suddenly unable to perform well with the sniper rifles, you might not have been a great sniper to begin with, i think good snipers and good quick-scopers are gonna have no issue with this update and they're still gonna be doing, just fine..." Great quote Ace!
the Task Force barrels for LMGs still buff range and damage, so even though the velocity bonus was nerfed, they're still the clear cut best barrels and it'd be silly to not use them. but the sniper changes feel fantastic. wihtout flinch, they were dummy easy to use and pretty much anyone could pick them up and do well, like you said. now if someone kills me with a sniper as i'm shooting them, i know they fought through that flinch to still land a shot, and that they deserve the kill.
They heavily nerfed the bullet velocity, damage,sprint to fire time, ADS time by alot and on top of all that they added flinch....are yall mental or yall cant read? Because i dont see anyone talking about these changes
@@AG-xg2lz yeah if they just added flinch okay but they added 30 lines of nerfs for each sniper dude lmao this is downright sad i don't even play cold war and can feel your pain
@@capperbuns As someone who frequently snipes, the sniper nerf really wasn't that bad. Sure it made snipers more worse but sniping in this game still feel absolutely amazing
@@XXavv yea. It feels amazing. Unless u shoot ppl in their chest. Or face. And get hitmarkers like what happens to me. I was decent at best before this shit. Now I can’t play. I get tired of trying to go positive. Landing all my shots with a reg gun. And still getting outgunned somehow. By lil spoiled brats that use monitor screens. Fuckin ridiculous. This game is fucking trash now.
5:55 as someone who has used the M82 aggressively for a while I can say that recoil was never an issue because bipod was easily the best attachment, and the only thing that made it better than say the Pelington was because if you got a hit marker you could easily follow it up with another shot.
The real question is "why?" You can die twice to most guns, a m16 with one headshot will kill you 5 times before you ads in, all they need to do is remove sniper aim assist and speed them up to bo2 levels, basically around 400ms ads
You aren't accounting for the ADS time of the reg guns which isn't a fair comparison at all. If we're talking about TTK after already being aimed down sight, the sniper TTK is literally 0ms. The average ADS + TTK of ARs is 625ms which is slower than the ADS + TTK of the Tundra at 583ms. This is also assuming you're in the max damage range of the ARs and the discrepancy gets much higher beyond that.
@@TheXclusiveAce But in turn you aren't accounting for: * Reg guns have reliable hipfire and can hipfire as they aim in (reducing TTK if any shot connects) * Reg guns can miss shots and still have a chance in a gunfight, whereas a sniper missing is a death sentence against anyone decent * Reg guns can move from target to target fluidly while a sniper has to wait for the rechamber * Reg guns strafe faster while aimed so can walk around corners etc while already aimed more easily, and have more general mobility Don't get me wrong Ace, I think the snipers in this game are fine and balanced as they are. But the "ADS+TTK" argument isn't really a fair comparison since it doesn't take into account all of the other small advantages of reg guns. They're just more consistent and forgiving.
@@Daniel_Jervis I love that you think you can argue stats with the literal king of stats, outside of JGod etc who actually have access to the coding lol.
@@dstr001 You literally didn't address anything I said, I didn't even argue anything about stats. You shouldn't just take everything people say as fact just because they have a big UA-cam channel. I respect Ace and his videos a lot since they're so helpful but if I think he's misrepresenting something I can say so.
@@TheXclusiveAce true but you don't have to completely ads to shoot with most reg guns, they are significantly more flexible and more mobile than the snipers, faster ads with some downsides like high flinch or movement inaccuracy is way better for snipers because it'll increase the skill ceiling so not everyone can be a god with them but they will still be very strong
Pros were making it seem that with the Krig buff it would be 4 Krigs on the map. It doesn't seem like it got a big buff. So why are they thinking that? Did it get a buff not shown in here?
Help me understand; what is the point of using the LW3-Tundra when the M82 has an equal ADS potential, equal damage, equal everything, but a better fire rate and bullet velocity? Or what is the purpose of using the Pelington over the Swiss K31 for the same reason?
The added flinch good no quickscoping is not dead and no sniping is not dead it's now more fair for anyone facing a sniper to have a fair chance against them I'm glad this update went through
@@pluto3194 that's why the flinch increase was needed hip firing is way faster then quick scoping just hip fire first then ads and with sniper flinch you'll win gun fights easily
@@pluto3194 No counters? Try jumping or moving more drastically while playing against them. Most guns can kill a sniper before they ADS anyway so if you can make them harder to hit you you’ve probably won that fight.
If I recall from the patch notes, the increase they made to the Ak-47s bullet velocity was more to reflect the capability of a 7.62 round, so rather than increasing the damage significantly (because it already did good enough damage) bullet velocity was the next best choice. Think maximum effective damage range is the best barrel choice for the AK now.
I appreciate the addition of flinch as it finally allows us to counter hard scopers, but if anything they should have reduced the ads times. That way you can quick scope but your flicks have to be on point in order for the flinch to not get you killed.
A way to balance snipers could be to give them inverted effective range. So, at shotgun/smg ranges they have to get a headshot to get a one shot kill. But a 50 meters + they are OHKs above the waist. This way they could be given faster handling without being OP.
Umm I just tried the 50 cal and the delay is stupid I rapidly pressed it and it still fired twice but (what feels like a whole 1.5 second apart) it feels EXTREMELY BROKEN.
I will admit, I was very disappointed yesterday when I read the patch notes. I must have been confused with what they were saying because the snipers still feel fine to me.
Since bullet velocity changes doesn’t really affect the usual ranges in 6v6 maps, I think they made these changes to affect gameplay in multi team maps. More so since the elimination game mode is coming out.
Only LMG worth a damn is the stoner.... the other two might as well not exist. Trust me as a heavy LMG class player... the stoner is the only threat and even then you can easily put them down still. Just food for thought, it may be OP but you never hear it being the Meta.
Im glad for this i love the up close and mid range gun battles and after two consecutive good gunfights with teams u feel great just to get your head sniped off by a camping sniper
@@wisphen you realise most ARs and smgs roughly take between 200 to 300ms to ads and add another 250 to 350ms depending on the gun and if you miss your shots, so yes the sniper with a 1 shot and AIM ASSIST will definitely have good odds in that fight, and I didn't even mention lmgs which have pathetic ads speeds
@@liquidsweg4858 now aim assist is the issue. Remove that to and I’d like to see what you complain about next. We’ll still shit on you, even with your own gun.
I personally think they did. The ads time little nerf doesn’t show the full story, it takes way longer now to re scope in when u don’t fully un scope. This is what people use in Cold War to actually be able to be competitive with scope in times. You spam right click / right trigger where u expect someone to be not fully scoping in them the rest of the scope in is much less. Now t th is isn’t the case anywhere near as much
Best AR in game Krig gets buff, the FFAR gets a nerf lol. Either way thank the lord snipers have flinch, still hate dying to them mind. No body likes being one shot
@@atlasachlys7912 So what. Everyone who thinks anything in cod is hard is a clown. Most cod players are clowns. If anything, I’m calling out this guy for insulting his own kind.
I think you should have tested the ZRG's base barrels against vehicles and streaks. Because it doesn't specify that it was a cavalry barrel buff. It specifies it's for the gun itself, the cavalry barrel might replace the buffed damage numbers cause it still dealt more damage. This buff may be more so that you don't have to run the cavalry anymore to still be able to deal with vehicles and can use the ZRG more effectively in combat instead.
they deserved it tbh. That game was legit 80% snipers and if they were in their scope you couldn't kill them realistically if they had aim. You couldn't compete at all even at mid-range.
@@ragequitrome all they needed was to just add flinch. But most of the changes to ADS was basically negligible. Maybe a one or two frame difference could be noticeable at first but people will get used to it in a couple days.
How do you get the ADS that fast in your opening of the video? I never have ADS that fast and you are on target faster than other rifles. Anything to make quick scoping more difficult is great.
He must’ve sped the footage up considering how fast everything in that video is. If you look at how fast he rechambers the bullet and the timer in the corner is definitely just sped up.
I'm legit so happy that I can finally play SnD and actually compete against people who sniped. Snipers were way too prevalent and it wasn't fun to only use snipers to compete. I love using a variety of guns and now that snipers aren't busted I may start playing this game again!
You are aware the TTk for the best guns can outgun any sniper 2-3 times over before a sniper could even aim down sights correct? These are the slowest snipers in COD history. If you can’t compete against them the issue is you and your lack of skill, not the snipers.
@@drakeslostson7580 majority of people who snipe do not quick scope. That is a fact btw not my opinion. Yes they don’t compete before ADS, but once in your sight it was unbeatable. Majority of my deaths by snipers I unloaded 3-4 shots in them, their reticle still on me, and I die because my gun wasn’t good enough. I’m not bad at this game anyone who thinks logically can see the snipers were busted at least in SnD. Idk if you play SnD in this game but at least 8 people per lobby was using a sniper. At least. And these ADS nerfs are hardly noticeable even to the best snipers in the game. Snipers have literally always had flinch for nearly 15 years. The ADS speed doesn’t matter, snipers need flinch to be balanced.
@@drakeslostson7580 and what about the amount of people who complaining about how snipers were broken. They just all bad then huh? Using a sniper in this game pre-patch was one of the easiest to snipe in, in CoD history. The dot in the middle of your screen makes centering super damn easy and that’s a big part of quick scoping. And on top of that once you were ADS it didn’t matter how many times they shot you, your reticle wouldn’t move so it was easy to kill them. I sniped a lot in this game because ARs couldn’t compete. It’s as simple as that.
@@littleblindbean stop pretending like quickscoping being easy automatically makes your playstyle harder. Cod is an incredibly easy video game series and I’m surprised that most people who’ve realized this fact either play the game casually or used to play the games but quit.
@@turtlezrcool7252 I never said it did. And if I did it would make sense. If you camp, rushing is harder. If you use a shotgun, SMGs are harder. CoD isn’t difficult but the problem is that snipers were once difficult and now they’re easy
Thanks for the video as always, but last week you said if they added flinch they should reduce the ads times by 50ms, but they even increased them. I don't understand how you feel they are just fine after the update
I really gotta laugh at the pre-patch 50. CAL SNIPER 525m/s bullet velocity, yeah i got a 5 inch bullet that travels the same speed as a 9mm
Bruh it was pretty hilarious. I’m just happy that I can you my gold Barrett at longer ranges now, like it should
Clearly realistically speaking, the 20 mm and .50 cal should be slow as f... they should be also slow to ADS, those are made heavy to handle such caliber, I don't think we're going to see a 3D printed Barrett in any near future. For the gameplay, it should be the same. Horrible recoil, slow to handle in every way, leading moving target way in advance, but destructive for any vehicule or people. For sure, the M82 is now the top dog, once the community will have abused it too much, destroying any willingness to have fun in multi, there are just going to nerf it to the ground, like they always do. Sad
50 cal is half an inch.
A 50 cal and that 20 mm travel at least 3 times as fast as 9mm
Yeah 525 is a little more than half its original (IRL) 850 ish m/s. 525 is fucking moving for a 9mm. Maybe a +p out of a carbine.
Jevs next video “They nerfed snipers again... Depression”
Already out and its called "They NERFED SNIPERS but I'm already over it.."
Jevs the goat
Why would he care? He doesn't snipe
@@Brainhorn Bro, what?
@@lai8631 He doesn't. He kwikscopes but he doesn't snipe
*snipers get nerfed*
Sniping community: I’ll never forgive the DSR nerf!
No cap, that did upset me as that was my preferred QS sniper but the QS community highly overreacted about that.
That was nothing compared to what they did to the snipers now 😂. The cod sniping community was toxic asf back then, it was just a tiny ass rate of fire nerf and they sent Vondahaar death threats lol.
I just switched over to the ballista and practiced aiming to the chest because it was a 1shot only to the chest and up it wasn't a big deal for me but yeah dsr didn't need to be nerfed it seems like treyarch always hated quickscoping but infinity ward never cared they always had easy quickscoping and don't nerf anything
@@frankc4364 Even after the DSR Nerf I still used it for quick scoping. Was too used to its one shot waist up to the point I sucked ass with the ballista.
@@Imghostie_ttv yeah I still used it to but I remember when you quickscoped after the first shot if you miss you don't get another your pretty much dead at least with ballista it's faster man I miss black ops 2
10:20 He really said that with all disrespect, I love you Ace 🤣
Like a savage
I was like “haaaaaaaa” when he said that, it was hilarious...
It’s not like it wasn’t obvious. People who actually think sniping is hard are idiots. Then again, everything in these games is easy. It’s simple and nothing is meant to be hard so things being easy should be expected.
@@turtlezrcool7252 yep. If someone is bad they need to know. Like now lol
I have a feeling that the main changes to the M82 were to make room for a Dragonov style sniper.
Yeah that’s what it feels like
That or we can see the WA2000 make a comeback
@@Imghostie_ttv i prefer this to happen since we already have it in WZ
@@Imghostie_ttv or PSG1!
maybe (im late - i skipped this game but got it recently since it's free rn) but they turned this gun basically into a bolt action. snipers look kind of garbage in this game - i guess ill just stick to ARs, SMGs and tactical rifles. are the aug and m16 still good or are full autos better? type 83 felt good to me.
After a few hours of playtime today I've noticed a major shift for the sniping community over to the M82 and K31. Saw quite a few people actually running both in the same loadout
i really dont know how people use the K31 over other snipers, for me (average player) its a constant hitmarker feed
@@moosevision8113 with the tiger team barrel it’s way better but without is awful
Before I stopped playing it all together post patch I switched to m82 and k31. They made the pellington and Tundra less effective. Which is a shame. Then they got rid of snipers only.
@@moosevision8113 Same which is why I haven't actually bothered leveling it up
I barley see anyone sniping at all in my lobbies
swiss looking hella cute rn
But the barrett looking thick af
@@v9730 only thing i don't like about it is that you can't sprint right after shooting it
Probably not a reason to use anything else
@@v9730 oooohhhh BIG MOMMA .50
@Steven 1773 bruh
Barrett: * gets buffed *
Me, who bought the anime AK/Barrett bundle: “This is where the fun begins!”
Ayyyyyyy
AK got buffed too with that massive 45% bullet velocity increase now. Talk about perfect timing
It feels great
M82 feels like an all new weapon! 🤩 I’m honestly in love right now! 😍
Fr, my favorite sniper got MEGA buffed.
@@hyperfixatesontouhou I used to HATE the M82! Now I’m so happy that a sniper with such beauty, performs so magnificently. Pre-patch it was my most hated sniper, post-patch it is my favourite sniper out of them all! I never would’ve imagined that to happen.
@@shadow-x3607 yeah I used it last night and omg the m82 is really good again
It's my favorite sniper. I used it more than any other sniper so it's the highest level.
It was already OP. Its literally a SEMI AUTO 1 SHOT WEAPON. Now it's even better
10:20 "you might not have being a good sniper to begin with" 💀
Oof
Dems is fighting words
I think the only people this will affect are the worst of the worst quickscopers. I think this change is negligible even for bad quickscopers. If they want to make it skill based remove aim assist.
AKA people that rely on aim assist. Yeah, you know you're trash.
@@PapaJoJ okay pc warrior 😂😂
A big change is the increased aim out time, so chaining multiple kills together is slower while quick scoping
The M82 got a massive glow up holy fuck, literally turned into the best sniper in the game overnight
MY BOY IS SHINING
the firerate change is a buff imo that is way more consistant looking than prepatch. im going back to the m82.
the swiss k31 is literally just a better pellington, same ads, same One-shot areas, but better bullet velocity and rechamber speeds. Why would anybody use the pellington now, better sprint to fire lmao?
They just made the Pelington more shit
they allwys fuck existing wepons so you play the new one, IM ANGRY
Sniping feels the same for me, but you do notice the flinch a lot, just something to get used to.
I feel the nerf was def needed. If you are a good sniper you can stay good now if you are bad then you will just stay ass
@@VaporValkerie bro i just wanna get diamond and leave now bloodthirsties are going to be more of a challenge, at least i already have gold for the zrg
@@VaporValkerie lol 😂 fax
@@VaporValkerie But if you are decent, you get cucked bc the flinch ruins most quicksopes/snipes to the head or upper chest
I could've just read through patch notes for 3 hours, but I'd rather watch exclusive give me the run down on it. Thank you!
@@corbinbrown7042 ngl I also didn't read the patch notes cuz I was lazy too and waited for ace to upload.
Reading the patch notes is quicker
I don't know if you noticed but if you put the ranger barrel on the krig, it brings the bullet velocity to 1500 m/s
Same it's Hitscan in 6v6
That thing is basically hitscan in combined arms and Fireteam then lmao
word of advice on the m82: it got a weird nerf where after you fire a bullet (noscope or quickscope) it slows you down a LOT, and I assume they did this to keep the m82 from becoming the best sniper now that it's damage is actually good
I love using the swiss right now, and I never though I was going to say this but the M82 is actually good now.
It does need a buff. At the very least they need an ads time buff. Most weapons in the game can kill you before you ads. The Tundra's fastest build has an ads time of 583ms with base weapons having an average ttk of about 382ms which is 200 ms faster than the sniper can even ads. And yeah if they're not dead before they finish adsing then they better hit that shot through the flinch because if they miss they're still dead
I kind of like these changes, especially for the m82. I hope it doesn't end up being too powerful though.
I just cant believe they patched weapons and didnt fix the Speed Grips for SMGs. How a speed grip on a AR makes you faster than a speed grip on a SMG is just insane to me
I like how they called it a “rework” and then just straight up nerfed the snipers. I really hope that people start complaining about them again. I really want to hear what they complain about next.
They will complain about some stupid thing and still not accept that they're dogshit
But yet a smg can still beat ya across nuketown. I’m glad I started playing mw again.
i mean, now when i put three shots into a sniper's dome, if they're bad, they'll flinch off, not compensate right, and lose the fight, like they should. sounds fair to me.
Good we smoking that sniper pack rn. No flinch was ducking bs
M82 is pretty beastly now, but yeah I don't really think they needed to nerf bullet velocity or ADS times.
K31+SASR grip seems like it will still be pretty good for sniping through return fire.
Airborne elastic wrap really got dumpstered, and it's arguably a worse speed tape now.
I never understood treyarch making the longest ttk games and making the best one shot kill weapons
Bro, sniping inthis game is just dead now! They overdid it and the ttk in this game is fine tbh..
Hey ACE Quick Question ... Do you or Anyone else know Why the ROZE Bundle: Behind the Mask with M13 Blueprint Acid Traccer Rnds. CANNOT be found in store ?
Not every bundle is in the store at the one time. You can get around it by looking for the blueprint and going to the bundle from there.
Check the armory section for weapons
@@leroyholiday9985 i did check for the M13 only 1 bundle shows up with yellow traccers its not the one... im thinking they removed it for some reason.
@@dstr001 you can check all blueprints from shop whether or not in store by going into armory and checking each gun.
I'm unhappy about the changes. So many full auto weapons needed buffs outside of bullet velocity such as the Milano, Mac, PPSH, Groza, QBZ and FFAR
That sniper nerf is beautiful though. Now smgs can a tally stand a chance against quickscopers up close
Ppsh and Groza need buffs.
6:03 that fire rate was what made it actually usable in zombies as an anti boss gun
Pack a punch should rebuff the fire rate again
Snipers are already the worst weapon class in zombies
@@highoctanesynx7950 ya but if u got stuck with the barret at least it had a use
FFAR Nerfed Again? I'm Convinced Someone at Treyarch Just Despises that gun
Wasn’t there a damage buff tho?
@@jasonjimenez5476 it was a joke cuz I swear every patch its nerfed in some way
It was a net buff to the FFAR
Lol, they barely reduced its velocity and buffed its damage across the board, thats a pretty big buff overall imo.
Question. What happened to the crossroads map on combined arms it's been gone for weeks now
they're adding it back this update, it's on the patch notes
In my region, combined arms itself is gone for weeks now, I have not played (can't even find matches) combined arms once since season 2 first week.. LoL
Basically not enough combined arms players..
@@flaminG-Ghost that's strange what region are you in. I can find games but can sometimes take a bit
@@chrispayne244 I'm in India. So it's south east asia servers or middle East for me... I can't get a ping better than 72 anyway... I can easily find core gamemodes in 30-45 secs but never combined arms... The lobby never fills.. I've even waited 4-5 mins in the beginning...
One of the smallest map in biggest gamemode? Hmm what
The "incoming changes to pistols" note is honestly fucking hilarious knowing now that they changed basically nothing but a couple of % of bullet volocity
I believe not every player read patch notes. So maybe pistols are "buffed" so more people will have lesser problem using them
Don't understand Treyarchs vendetta against sniping. So frustrating to use these sluggish ass guns, now flinching to the moon when everyone shoots the hell out of you as you're still struggling to lift your scope to your eye as we continue in our futile attempts to reach level 50 in search of some fantasy where the attachments actually make the snipers feel good.
People complain about snipers but don’t play the game leaving snipers with gutted stats and people still complain about a dying game.
Right. Like 80% of people use the 74u, lc10, ak47, and krig6. These are the guns that are broken when it comes to cw mp. Along with maybe the aug being an automatic sniper rifle
It should only take one SnD lobby to work out that quickscopers are the loudest, most obnoxious bunch within CoD. This reaction would’ve happened regardless.
I don't think any practiced quickscoper, especially on MnK, will be affected too much. Might just reduce the ballsiness factor with sniping by a little bit, since you're not the same invincible bullet eating machine that you were before. Aggressive sniping taking more effort to pull off effectively is fine by me.
Flinch was needed. It’s was stupid to get the drop on a sniper, land your first 4 shots then get dropped because they could tank those rounds while sprinting out and scoping in. ADS didn’t need to get changed.
Stop shooting in the legs 4head
@@EscapexEU most ars kill in 5 bullets
"But if you find yourself suddenly unable to perform well with the sniper rifles, you might not have been a great sniper to begin with, i think good snipers and good quick-scopers are gonna have no issue with this update and they're still gonna be doing, just fine..."
Great quote Ace!
the Task Force barrels for LMGs still buff range and damage, so even though the velocity bonus was nerfed, they're still the clear cut best barrels and it'd be silly to not use them. but the sniper changes feel fantastic. wihtout flinch, they were dummy easy to use and pretty much anyone could pick them up and do well, like you said. now if someone kills me with a sniper as i'm shooting them, i know they fought through that flinch to still land a shot, and that they deserve the kill.
Finally, having no flinch in the first place was downright stupid.
They heavily nerfed the bullet velocity, damage,sprint to fire time, ADS time by alot and on top of all that they added flinch....are yall mental or yall cant read? Because i dont see anyone talking about these changes
@@AG-xg2lz yeah if they just added flinch okay but they added 30 lines of nerfs for each sniper dude lmao this is downright sad i don't even play cold war and can feel your pain
@@capperbuns As someone who frequently snipes, the sniper nerf really wasn't that bad. Sure it made snipers more worse but sniping in this game still feel absolutely amazing
@@XXavv yea. It feels amazing. Unless u shoot ppl in their chest. Or face. And get hitmarkers like what happens to me. I was decent at best before this shit. Now I can’t play. I get tired of trying to go positive. Landing all my shots with a reg gun. And still getting outgunned somehow. By lil spoiled brats that use monitor screens. Fuckin ridiculous. This game is fucking trash now.
Bro, try to snipe OR quickscope now! You cant even hit anything if you get shot ONCE. The Flinch is ridiculous, fuck treayarch!
5:55 as someone who has used the M82 aggressively for a while I can say that recoil was never an issue because bipod was easily the best attachment, and the only thing that made it better than say the Pelington was because if you got a hit marker you could easily follow it up with another shot.
see this is really the only update that was needed
No, nerf SMGs, it takes zero skill to booty slide and bunny hop across the map
I agree. Quickscoping was waaaayyy too easy. For all.
The real question is "why?" You can die twice to most guns, a m16 with one headshot will kill you 5 times before you ads in, all they need to do is remove sniper aim assist and speed them up to bo2 levels, basically around 400ms ads
You aren't accounting for the ADS time of the reg guns which isn't a fair comparison at all. If we're talking about TTK after already being aimed down sight, the sniper TTK is literally 0ms. The average ADS + TTK of ARs is 625ms which is slower than the ADS + TTK of the Tundra at 583ms. This is also assuming you're in the max damage range of the ARs and the discrepancy gets much higher beyond that.
@@TheXclusiveAce But in turn you aren't accounting for:
* Reg guns have reliable hipfire and can hipfire as they aim in (reducing TTK if any shot connects)
* Reg guns can miss shots and still have a chance in a gunfight, whereas a sniper missing is a death sentence against anyone decent
* Reg guns can move from target to target fluidly while a sniper has to wait for the rechamber
* Reg guns strafe faster while aimed so can walk around corners etc while already aimed more easily, and have more general mobility
Don't get me wrong Ace, I think the snipers in this game are fine and balanced as they are. But the "ADS+TTK" argument isn't really a fair comparison since it doesn't take into account all of the other small advantages of reg guns. They're just more consistent and forgiving.
@@Daniel_Jervis I love that you think you can argue stats with the literal king of stats, outside of JGod etc who actually have access to the coding lol.
@@dstr001 You literally didn't address anything I said, I didn't even argue anything about stats. You shouldn't just take everything people say as fact just because they have a big UA-cam channel. I respect Ace and his videos a lot since they're so helpful but if I think he's misrepresenting something I can say so.
@@TheXclusiveAce true but you don't have to completely ads to shoot with most reg guns, they are significantly more flexible and more mobile than the snipers, faster ads with some downsides like high flinch or movement inaccuracy is way better for snipers because it'll increase the skill ceiling so not everyone can be a god with them but they will still be very strong
Pros were making it seem that with the Krig buff it would be 4 Krigs on the map. It doesn't seem like it got a big buff. So why are they thinking that? Did it get a buff not shown in here?
You the best appreciate the info always.
Help me understand; what is the point of using the LW3-Tundra when the M82 has an equal ADS potential, equal damage, equal everything, but a better fire rate and bullet velocity? Or what is the purpose of using the Pelington over the Swiss K31 for the same reason?
The added flinch good no quickscoping is not dead and no sniping is not dead it's now more fair for anyone facing a sniper to have a fair chance against them I'm glad this update went through
Trust me you rather have them quick scoping hard scoping is 100x easier.
I'm glad the crossbow got some flinch too. That thing gives me heartburn.
@@pluto3194 that's why the flinch increase was needed hip firing is way faster then quick scoping just hip fire first then ads and with sniper flinch you'll win gun fights easily
500-600ms ads for snipers is absolutely terrible. Quick scoping is more or less dead in Cold War
@@pluto3194 No counters? Try jumping or moving more drastically while playing against them. Most guns can kill a sniper before they ADS anyway so if you can make them harder to hit you you’ve probably won that fight.
Looking at the notes I was concerned but now after watching this I can get behind the changes.
The M82 got buffed just in time for me to finish up Dark Matter
Could’ve just used the Swiss
If I recall from the patch notes, the increase they made to the Ak-47s bullet velocity was more to reflect the capability of a 7.62 round, so rather than increasing the damage significantly (because it already did good enough damage) bullet velocity was the next best choice.
Think maximum effective damage range is the best barrel choice for the AK now.
I was waiting for this video. Thanks Ace!
Addition of flinch is understandable, but the other nerfs to snipers seems overkill
10:57
WHY DOES TREYARCH HATE THE FFAR SO MUCH???
Next update they are going to chop the barrel of the gun in half and say it was an accident.
Warzone
I appreciate the addition of flinch as it finally allows us to counter hard scopers, but if anything they should have reduced the ads times. That way you can quick scope but your flicks have to be on point in order for the flinch to not get you killed.
"But I'm nothing without my wraps"
"You shouldn't have had them in the first place then"
11:38 should RPD Task Force be greenor did u flip those numbers around?
It's official. The M82 is the best sniper. That's like saying the MW Rytec was the best. What have we let ourselves happen?
I’m a quick scope main like that’s all I do I just want my ads speed to be higher than 500 ms🥲
Finally the m82 is going to be good. That is all I wanted from this patch. Mainly because it is my most used weapon.
A way to balance snipers could be to give them inverted effective range. So, at shotgun/smg ranges they have to get a headshot to get a one shot kill. But a 50 meters + they are OHKs above the waist. This way they could be given faster handling without being OP.
"They nerfed the snipers but my depression hits like Requis"
#FaZeJev
That's literally a perfect title
I play mostly sniper and I agree 100% with flinch nerf.
Excellent video and coverage, Ace! Extremely factual and well organized. I greatly appreciate the work you put in.
I played today and noticed my m82 was different. So I opened UA-cam and now it all makes sense. Thank you!!
It's actually incredibly sad that they needed to 'add' flinch to snipers
Now all they need to do is remove aim assist
Took em long enough
Umm I just tried the 50 cal and the delay is stupid I rapidly pressed it and it still fired twice but (what feels like a whole 1.5 second apart) it feels EXTREMELY BROKEN.
I will admit, I was very disappointed yesterday when I read the patch notes. I must have been confused with what they were saying because the snipers still feel fine to me.
Feel the exact same tbh
Since bullet velocity changes doesn’t really affect the usual ranges in 6v6 maps, I think they made these changes to affect gameplay in multi team maps. More so since the elimination game mode is coming out.
They also nerfed the pelingtons base ads
what happened to that attatchment that mw snipers have?
That would be for Warzone, not this game (that's what I heard)
Haven’t played Cold War yet and seeing LMG buffs in the title make me feel worried
Only LMG worth a damn is the stoner.... the other two might as well not exist. Trust me as a heavy LMG class player... the stoner is the only threat and even then you can easily put them down still.
Just food for thought, it may be OP but you never hear it being the Meta.
The m82 now has as fast of an ads as the tundra, better 1hko and faster fire rate. M82 is best sniper
Im glad for this i love the up close and mid range gun battles and after two consecutive good gunfights with teams u feel great just to get your head sniped off by a camping sniper
I don't play Cold War anymore because of the SBMM, but I'm happy to watch your VODs. 👍
Snipers are so weird in this game. They can either be stupid bad or blatantly broken, no in between.
They have never been broken
@@thatscool4101 outclassing shotguns in close quarters ain't broken? OK bud
@@liquidsweg4858 if you die to a ~500ms ads then you were going to die to any gun
@@wisphen you realise most ARs and smgs roughly take between 200 to 300ms to ads and add another 250 to 350ms depending on the gun and if you miss your shots, so yes the sniper with a 1 shot and AIM ASSIST will definitely have good odds in that fight, and I didn't even mention lmgs which have pathetic ads speeds
@@liquidsweg4858 now aim assist is the issue. Remove that to and I’d like to see what you complain about next. We’ll still shit on you, even with your own gun.
Snipers need way more flinch than what they added I literally have triple the amount of deaths to them than a AK74u or Krig
Looks like I got gold on my LW3 just in time!
Me too lol, i got it on Sunday
Got Diamond snipers before season 1.
too bad you're a slow controller boi that crutches aim assist
@@ClonewarswarsClone I wish I had that much free time!
@@AHR_James you will soon
I personally think they did. The ads time little nerf doesn’t show the full story, it takes way longer now to re scope in when u don’t fully un scope. This is what people use in Cold War to actually be able to be competitive with scope in times. You spam right click / right trigger where u expect someone to be not fully scoping in them the rest of the scope in is much less. Now t th is isn’t the case anywhere near as much
Best AR in game Krig gets buff, the FFAR gets a nerf lol. Either way thank the lord snipers have flinch, still hate dying to them mind. No body likes being one shot
Still hitting 4 bullets and they one shot me
@@jolbertti7421 same lol
Post-patch M82 is giving me Halo 3 sniper vibes. Four round mag, similar fire rate, large caliber. Honestly, I'm cool with this.
8:45 calling out these clowns,love it😂
You’re one to talk about being a clown. Cod is easy and quick scoping in cod is barely harder. This isn’t news to anyone with more than 6 brain cells.
@@turtlezrcool7252 found the clown.
You are the clown here buddy
Fuck snipers 😂😂😂
@@atlasachlys7912 So what. Everyone who thinks anything in cod is hard is a clown. Most cod players are clowns. If anything, I’m calling out this guy for insulting his own kind.
Is that bullet velocity on the RPD with the task force barrel a typo? Or was your math just backwards on the +/-? At 11:30 timestamp.
OOOHHHHH YEEEAAAHHHHHH .50 CAL IS SOOO THICCCCC NOW😩😩😩😩😩😩
I think you should have tested the ZRG's base barrels against vehicles and streaks. Because it doesn't specify that it was a cavalry barrel buff. It specifies it's for the gun itself, the cavalry barrel might replace the buffed damage numbers cause it still dealt more damage. This buff may be more so that you don't have to run the cavalry anymore to still be able to deal with vehicles and can use the ZRG more effectively in combat instead.
I guess they really don’t want me to play this game anymore, another nerf to snipers
U can barely feel it
they deserved it tbh. That game was legit 80% snipers and if they were in their scope you couldn't kill them realistically if they had aim. You couldn't compete at all even at mid-range.
@@littleblindbean I don’t mind the flinch I actually welcome it, I was just hoping for an ads buff instead of a nerf
@@ragequitrome all they needed was to just add flinch. But most of the changes to ADS was basically negligible. Maybe a one or two frame difference could be noticeable at first but people will get used to it in a couple days.
How do you get the ADS that fast in your opening of the video? I never have ADS that fast and you are on target faster than other rifles. Anything to make quick scoping more difficult is great.
He must’ve sped the footage up considering how fast everything in that video is. If you look at how fast he rechambers the bullet and the timer in the corner is definitely just sped up.
@@guy6074 Have neither one of you ever used the pellington? The gun is that fast, especially with Airborne Elastic Wrap.
NOOO MY BABY KAR98K
oh cold war lol nubs
@@zcalo bruh do you read?
hey ace have you checked the bullet velocity for the ak47 as it still says 490 in the gunsmith
Yes destroy them snipers
Somebody explain me what the problem with the ping was? I was able to ping turrets, point of interest, equipment, etc, for weeks before this update
I'm legit so happy that I can finally play SnD and actually compete against people who sniped. Snipers were way too prevalent and it wasn't fun to only use snipers to compete. I love using a variety of guns and now that snipers aren't busted I may start playing this game again!
You are aware the TTk for the best guns can outgun any sniper 2-3 times over before a sniper could even aim down sights correct? These are the slowest snipers in COD history. If you can’t compete against them the issue is you and your lack of skill, not the snipers.
@@drakeslostson7580 majority of people who snipe do not quick scope. That is a fact btw not my opinion. Yes they don’t compete before ADS, but once in your sight it was unbeatable. Majority of my deaths by snipers I unloaded 3-4 shots in them, their reticle still on me, and I die because my gun wasn’t good enough. I’m not bad at this game anyone who thinks logically can see the snipers were busted at least in SnD. Idk if you play SnD in this game but at least 8 people per lobby was using a sniper. At least. And these ADS nerfs are hardly noticeable even to the best snipers in the game. Snipers have literally always had flinch for nearly 15 years. The ADS speed doesn’t matter, snipers need flinch to be balanced.
@@drakeslostson7580 and what about the amount of people who complaining about how snipers were broken. They just all bad then huh? Using a sniper in this game pre-patch was one of the easiest to snipe in, in CoD history. The dot in the middle of your screen makes centering super damn easy and that’s a big part of quick scoping. And on top of that once you were ADS it didn’t matter how many times they shot you, your reticle wouldn’t move so it was easy to kill them. I sniped a lot in this game because ARs couldn’t compete. It’s as simple as that.
@@littleblindbean stop pretending like quickscoping being easy automatically makes your playstyle harder. Cod is an incredibly easy video game series and I’m surprised that most people who’ve realized this fact either play the game casually or used to play the games but quit.
@@turtlezrcool7252 I never said it did. And if I did it would make sense. If you camp, rushing is harder. If you use a shotgun, SMGs are harder. CoD isn’t difficult but the problem is that snipers were once difficult and now they’re easy
10:34 Clean shot Ace! That was great.
It's ridiculous how they haven't buffed the PPSH yet
Hb the iso and striker 45 in mw
@@rafraba Yeah but Infinity Ward never care
I thought you meant for Cold War, was about to go in on you.
@@maxdrags3115 I meant in CW. Watch his gun guide on it
This had better be a fucking joke
Thanks for the video as always, but last week you said if they added flinch they should reduce the ads times by 50ms, but they even increased them. I don't understand how you feel they are just fine after the update
There's nothing really wrong with the snipers besides the pelington. Its just a worse Swiss now.
I think sniping will be more skillful now that they have flinch
Sniper ads speeds are turd slow in this game
Yaaaayy!!!!! Now I can play search and destroy with a gun other then a sniper
Although I think these snipers were terrible, I do admit that hardscoping in snd was incredibly powerful given the more passive environment.
Idk man. I notice that BV buff to pistols at a certain range, from a certain angle, and a certain speed the player was moving at.
Absolutely cannot wait for the new wave of sniper montages so trashbags will realise snipers aren’t op they suck.
Great video my friend, as always