Theory's Immediate Reaction to Tales of the Empire
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Quigon getting COOKED with all these stabbing survivors
No one survives in this show being stabbed…
Think it’s implied she dies
lmao quigon gonna be so mad when he finds out
@@StarWarsInfinite Barris dies redeeming a fallen jedi, kinda full circle since she framed Ashoka
Charlie Hopkinson’s portrayal of Qui is gonna have a field day with this 😂
Vader was just freaking click bait, and the whole lightsaber stab Nerf is driving me CRAZY!!!! The homie Qui Got is just rolling in his grave rn. It's STUPID!!!!
Who survived being stabbed in this show?
Wdym clickbait? Even trailers said the story will be about Barris and Morgan.
@@simonlaus3819 Vader could just say something to new inquisitors or Barris but they just bring him as a fucking statue. It was just a useless af scene
@@simonlaus3819Cause the trailer looked like Vader would have more importance since Anakin and Barriss had past Together, but no
Fr, there was a lot of missed potential. They couldn't even give Barris a proper ending and purposefully left things in a way where they can still bring back her character whenever they want. BUT while there is a lot to complain about, one thing that I haven't seen many ppl talk about is how the bad guys seem actually COMPETENT in this show? It felt SOOO refreshing to have the Inquisitors, Grievous, Thrawn and even the Commando droid in episode one actually be viewed as a threat and not a gimmick. And one more thing I have to gush about is how PERFECT this version of Thrawn was. That three minute scene with him was better than anything we got out of him in Ahsoka, his clone wars model was amazing looking, and his dialogue was better written than anything we got in Ahsoka. It made me feel like THIS was the actual Thrawn from the books.
Bariss needed a rematch with Darth Vader
Thank you 🙏
No she didn’t
Yes, exactly. Also, I would have preferred it if Barriss was more evil in Tales of the Empire. She literally bombed the Jedi temple and framed her friend Ashoka. Yes, Barriss at first had good intentions, but so did Dooku and Anakin, but the dark side ended up consuming them. It would make more sense if the dark side consumed her more.
@@matthewshort4466She did. And Vader should have killed her
I doubt it would have been much of a rematch. More like a schooling session by Vader.
Why do they treat Vader like this it’s so frustrating 💀💀💀
How?
Disney doing Disney anyway. They have to make a female characters more stand out just like they did with Jedi one. That one, just because the main character was Ashoka who is already developed well character. It was okay. But this one maybe.. with Barris
Ummmm maybe we don’t need 1000000 more Vader cameos and the episodes were short af? Not much they could have done..
@@Paintbyryanwhat the hell are you even talking about?
@@Paintbyryan Just because this show wasn´t about Vader means it´s bad because they focused it about Barris? Buddy, even in trailers you could have seen it´s gonna be about her.
Surprised Vader didn’t say or do anything about seeing Barris
It is because he doesn't care.
remember Anakin is already dead by darth Vader.
@@BattleshipWarspite I mean idk if I agree “darth Vader is still” very anakin and is evident when he see him in the kenobi series. This is Vader right after revenge of the sith remember
“Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will.” - Yoda
I’m sensing a pattern
Luke: we’ve been waiting for years to see…….hes a hermit
Ezra: we wait for years for see……he’s a hermit
Bariss: we been waiting for years to find her a hermit
Iden Versio: yay we are playing as the bad guy for once, oh wait
Reva: another bad guy, she's not gonna turn good again right? Oh
Barris: ok she's a literal evil terrorist she's not gonna man ah FUCK
Qui Gon: Dies from stab wound
Grand Inquisitor: has two stomachs he's ight
Reva: gets stabbed, twice, she's ight
Sabine: gets stabbed, nah she's stronger than that she's ok
Barris: hmm well she'll be ok she's a strong character
Maul: gets fucking cut in half and lives
Tales of The Hermits 🤪🤯🤑😳
Meanwhile
Quilan Vos: Running an underground Jedi smuggling
Ahsoka: Secret Rebellion Agent
Cal Kestis: Planet Real Estate 🤣
“Can’t wait for Bariss to be the big bad in Ahsoka” insert clown emoji here
I was so hyped for Ahsoka until I realized that it's just Rebels part 2. Although the camera follows Ahsoka a lot of the time, the main character is Sabine, the most mary sue of all star wars characters, including Rey. Which, just sucks. Rebels in retrospect, was really really bad with the only good episodes revolving around Clone Wars characters lmao.
@Coolgame6812 you watched rebels right?
@@lynchn9562 Painstakingly yes. But it felt like a chore. The show doesn't understand what it wants to be. It hurt my head with the constant tonal whiplash. If it just wanted to be a kid's show, most of my problems with it would be perfectly fine, but it doesn't. They purposefully add things they know only older fans will get enjoyment out of, like Thrawn, and the continuation of Ahsoka and Maul. So one second it feels like a typical goofy kids show, and then you'll cut to some big star wars lore or someone being murdered. But even then, the violence in this show is toned down to the max, to the point where villians don't really seem that scary. And I get why, because it aired on DisneyXD who are very strict about that stuff because of their demographic. Compare that to clone wars (which was not made by disney and aired on cartoon network, giving them A LOT of freedom with what they could show) where some scenes actually had to be CENSORED for tv because it was just too graphic (Ventress kissing a dying clone whom she just impaled). The villians in the show apart from Thrawn are all treated like stormtroopers, like cmon, how am I supposed to fear these inquisitors when some episodes just straight up start with the main cast escaping them, and when THEY FUCKING FLY LIKE A HELICOPTER WITH THEIR LIGHTSABERS?? AND THAT'S CANNON?? Rebels also likes to rush through what should be super intriguing plot points, like when the crew finds Rex and Kanan obviously doesn't trust him and has every right not to, but this is Rebels, so Kanan gets over his distrust in a single episode with little to no problems. But by far my biggest complaint with the show IS THE CHARACTERS. The only characters I liked were Kanan and Hera, but everyone else in the main cast, are just downright horrible. Sabine for example is a walking hot topic advertisement. She's so cliche that it feels like she isn't supposed to be taken seriously and that's she's written kind of tongue-in-cheek. It feels like she's the forced strong female character, but not in the sense that she's well written or understandable. She has cool stuff that she can do but there's nothing underneath it. She's a tough ex-bounty hunter who used to work with gangsters. She's an expert hand to hand combatant, marksman, and demolitionist. She's pretty and a talented artist, but she like to keep to herself doesn't really trust anyone. She's also a Mandalorian and wields the dark saber. Oh and also she's the QUEEN of the Mandalorians. And she's only 16 years old. OH, and now she can USE THE FORCE??Like... c'mon. Can you tell why I'm a bit upset over the storytelling? If she were written better she could be amazing. Compare her to Hera and there's a stark difference. Hera acts like a real person and every achievement she gets, feels earned. But the WORST character is the main one. Space Aladdin, AKA, Ezra. Ezra holds the show back SOOO much. I cannot pinpoint ANY concrete character traits for him. You could say he's "a good kid who wants to do the right thing for people", sure. But some episodes he wants to help innocent people, but then a few episodes later he'll argue AGIANST getting food and supplies to people because it's too dangerous?? What?? He frankly just acts however the plot needs him to act. Which can be applied to nearly every character in Rebels, but Ezra gets it the worst. I count rant on and on but I'll end it here as I don't want to write an entire essay in a comment section maybe 3 people will see.
@Coolgame6812 I'll probably be one of few who will read that. Your arguments and opinions are valid. I happen to have enjoyed Clone Wars and Rebels. Rebels does feel like a kids show but in all honesty it didn't really bother me as much
@@lynchn9562 I liked Rebels also. I liked Ahsoka episodes 3-7 a lot. 1 and 2 were kind of eh and I hated the Sabine "Disney stab" choice. I was super let down by the finale though. This decision with Barriss's character is in a way a further let down for the future of Ahsoka and makes me think that Filoni isn't as good as I hoped he was.
I, for one, do not like being utilized as click bait.
I do not understand the Barriss stuff. She bombed the jedi temple, killed innocent people including Jedi but all of a sudden she's like no we can't kill people !! So lame.
She didn´t bombed the Jedi temple...have you even watched The Clone Wars? I know what you mean but she PLANNED it. It wasn´t her who actually did it. Neither to say people can have regrets for their actions. She had a lot of time to think about what she did or how she did it. And she didn´t like the Jedi order because they were the one who continued the war im her eyes.
And guess what...The Empire kills anyone they want. Even kids. Obviously she don´t want people to suffer more- that was her entire point in The Clone Wars.
Tell me you don’t understand Barriss without telling me you don’t understand Barriss
@@simonlaus3819 exactly, she hated what the Jedi had become, as they were too invested in politics and strayed from what jedi are supposed to be - thats why she bombed the Jedi temple to get the councils attention - though resulting in many deaths many more would come if they didn't stop the war.
She has good intentions and idk what SWT is talking about when he says she just switched up - you could tell she was very hesitant from the beginning,
@@simonlaus3819dumb
It's almost like characters go through arcs and development or something
General Grevious and Darth Vader carried this and they were barely in the show 😭😭
no you all just want cameo of the week characters. We didnt need to see a lot of vader or grevious because thats not what the story is about. Sorry you dont get your 14 year old fan fiction that you always wanted
Let's not forget about Thrawn. Seeing him in the Clone Wars style was so sick. And his dialogue was LEAGUES better than anything in Ahsoka. And ngl, seeing all these rebels characters in the Clone Wars style, like the grand inquisitor, makes me even more salty over the art style that rebels went with and how all the actually good arcs had to look so bad in comparison.
@@joshhudson7413 we don’t want “cameo of the week” characters. We want interesting characters, not Morgan elsbeth
Grand Inquisitor too
Darth vader doesn't need reuse every time on tv show, I would ranther have Darth Revan, Plagueis, Nihilus, Malgus, Bane, Zannah to have appear in tv show. instead of same sith lord like Vader & Sidious.
I really think people are not understanding Barriss. I liked many thought she should've been an Inquisitor because she fell. But then, I realized it wouldn't have made sense. She called the Jedi out for being puppets of the dark side. She believed in what the Jedi used to stand for. So, why would she serve the Empire when it's everything she preached the Jedi were serving. By joining the Inquisitors she saw what she had become and how the Fourth Sister is what she would eventually be if she continued.
That’s so true
WHO IS Barrios?? 456 matters
The brief thrawn scene was sick. Ive always liked his character, hes a perfect villion for the mando movie
They missed such a great opportunity to have Barriss Offee become a notable threat the Ahsoka. Imagine Barriss Offee becoming the last Inquisitor because of how good she was and they could've tied her in with Thrawn and made her an Inquisitor that was assigned to him. Then the only thing they wouldve had to do was explain why she wasn't with him in rebels and why she wasnt helping during the Ahsoka show by coming up with a mission Thrawn needed her to do.
I found it quite interesting how barris was coming back to the light whilst dooku fell to the dark
Why do we assume Barris was ever in the dark? She seemed to me like a saw gerrera type that was jaded and felt the Jedi Order was out of control and dangerous. She was an idealist who went down a temporary path of terrorism.
She was never evil. She was never tempted by the dark side like the count
Just want the dark disciple animated
Bariss saw the Jedi in a similar way she sees the Inquisitors. These were not her people. The Inquisitors are even worse than the Jedi, and that causes Bariss to defect. I didn't have much issue with that. Part of me also believes that the reason Vader didn't acknowledge Bariss is because that would expose that he was once Anakin Skywalker. Vader wants to be far removed from his Anakin reputation as possible. Remember, the Grand Inquisitor was present during the Bariss trial as a temple guard. That would help him put 2 and 2 together if Vader acknowledges his history with Bariss.
As far as the Morgan stuff, the only thing that irked me was that she was behind the Tie-Defender project. I'm honestly hoping that it's moreso that it is a rough draft and then the design is further refined by Thrawn. I do not mind it not being his idea, but I feel he should have more to contribute to it if it is to be HIS project. Thrawn does not come across as someone who takes credit for everything, that is more of a Tarkin thing. Like I'm perfectly okay with the Tie-Defender project being a collaborative effort.
why did they do vader dirty like he walks in and sits down and that's it
it was pretty obvious he wasnt gonna be a main part of the story as its abt barriss
@@Theyflynow_1 Obvious? It's Tales of the Empire, you'd think they had spent at least an episode on him.
@@Theyflynow_1Did you watched Clone Wars? Anakin/Vader and Barriss had a hard past, Barriss made Ahsoka leave the order. We should have at least one scene between Vader and Barriss, maybe a duel and he kill Barriss
@@_MaZTeR_ well no because the tussles clearly show it’s gonna follow Barriss and Morgan, same w/ TOTJ, there are only two main characters so how would Vader get his own ep. Imo Vader should have showed up instead of Lin in ep 6 and have Vader Vs Barriss rematch to conclude her story
@@angerami77 yeah I think Vader should have showed up instead of Lin in ep 6 to get a rematch/reunion. But to say Vader should have been a main character doesn’t make sense as it’s clearly Barriss’ and Morgan’s story
Theory how have you got Barriss so wrong. She was never evil. She was a radical who so a Jedi traditionalist. She hated what the Jedi had become. How they’d fallen from being peace keepers. Her actions were to create a divide between the Republic and the order so that the Jedi could be drawn away from the war and go back to be being peace keepers. Why would she ever side with the Inquistors? Like why? Her entire character arc is she acts to stop the mindless violence of war. She’s not gonna stand by and watch innocent civilians be executed. Theory you’ve completely misunderstood Barriss
Letting herself be killed was pointless. What good is she now? Unless we have yet another stabbing survivor 🙄
What a waste of what could have been a major character. Why not have her seek revenge against Ahsoka? Or if she’s good again, train Grogu?
The whole redeeming Lyn thing was silly, too. It shouldn’t be that easy to come back to the light after committing mass atrocities. “Forever shall it dominate your path…”
“She’s not gonna stand by and watch innocent civilians be executed”
She literally killed innocent civilians when she bombed the Jedi temple
I can't wait for Tales of Fat Mace
We need some baylan skoll animation. Its the only way to continue his great character. RIP
💯 behind that. Even the meeting his apprentice...
Disney had no idea what to do with Barriss so they killed her off… great writing guys🙄
Baylan wasnt really apart of the empire at all tho.. and vader would be a tales of the sith story or hopefully his own show which would be amazing
Three, potentially four more Jedi added to the ever expanding list of post order 66 force users who just decided “nah I don’t care about the galaxy” during all of the films.
Vader was not in his ep3 suit. It takes place right after ep3. Damn it Filoni!!
I would have loved to see Vader hunting Jedi with the 501st
We went through 11 years of uncertainty about Baris Offees fate...to....uncertainty about Baris Offees fate...
Well worth the wait.
She should have been in Kenobi instead of Reva, imagine that Vader fight. And the revenge against Vader plot would have actual character motivation
This is the guy who praises Dave Filoni as the guy for the job. Guess what Dave directed and wrote all these episodes
Barriss obviously doesn't die at the end. They made sure to leave that open. So maybe we'll wait another 10 years to see what happens with her...
As soon as she saw "Lyn" kill those villagers, I sensed she would turn against the Empire. I hoped she wouldn't, but she did.
What I wanna know is who was the jedi she saved? And who was she referring to when she said, "she will help you" when she saved the force sensitive child and family. Also, who is the force sensitive child?
The last episode left so much open for my liking.
Lyn should be unredeemable after that. Anakin’s return to the light was supposed to be unique.
“Forever shall it dominate your path…” what happened to that?
Why is Bo Katan at the end of the comlink in EP3? Does Disney not even remember their own stories???
Maybe Bo heard the beacon and tipped Ahsoka in that direction?
Well why not have Ahsoka answers it. Or maybe Hera? Disney is pushing Bo because of Mando S3. Not a great plan.
Once DEI was shown to be mandatory in every single Disney project I knew entertainment was in huge trouble.
And this has to with this series how?
@@achaudhari101everything
It’s mandatory and it’s the sole focus
@@achaudhari101 its only women leads whos story sucks
Hehe, there was a character, I think it was the Jedi that the Leading Inquisitor (the one with Barriss) referred to as "they." Such a subtle detail...
Also, from Rebels, I thought the TIE-defender project was something Thrawn came up with. But no, of course we can't have that.
The episodes were focused on less featured women in Star Wars. This felt like a Kennedy driven series. Even the boy with the crazy hair coming out the side of his head got choked and sent down a hole in the floor.
Can't wait for theory's dark empire videos!
Not to mention her going toe to toe with Anakin in clone wars and she Can’t deal with an unarmed grand inquisitor
Only episode was really about the Empire with Morgan Elsbeth. Literally as soon as Thrawn recruited her the next Ep was After the Empire fell. What a waste
Will there be more of tales of the empire ? Like more the 6 episodes or season 2 of it?
Morgan Elsebeth bits would've been good if half the show didn't revolve around her. Then the second half is pretty much about 2 characters, aside from the first one. And there you have it.
Aww poor wittle theowy....
Phew, it would have been epic if when Vader discovered that Barriss was an inquisitor, he would go and start fighting because it was her fault that Ashoka separated from him, that would have made sense, wouldn't it?
No, she’s nothing but a pawn to him now. A tool.
The Emperor would not be pleased if he let the petty grievances of Anakin Skywalker distract him from his purpose.
9.5/10 for me, it was amazing! Just felt that episode 6 was a bit rushed, if they had made it a double length then the season would probably be 10/10 for me.
lol you are the minority on this one. Hope you stay in your happy corner
@@chadbrad8100 Well just maybe I’m over exaggerating a little bit but yes I’m very happy with it. To me it was better than Rebels, better than Mando, Kenobi, Book of Boba, Solo, Ahsoka and ofc the terrible sequals. It was no TCW but quite close imo, for a first season this is pretty perfect to me. The best Disney era Star Wars alongside Andor and Rogue One imo. BTW I’ve seen another review here on youtube where the majority seemed to like it, I guess what also comes to play that agreeing with the yt channel’s opinion is typical human/sheep behaviour that you often see in comment sections.
I understand where you're coming from dude but I gotta disagree with the notion that Barriss is past redemption because she bombed the jedi temple and was evil. One of the main points of star wars is that anyone can be redeemed. Look at Vader. I do understand if you mean that the "switch up" was too quick and without real reason though. I do think it would've been more interesting if she went up against Ahsoka and Ahsoka brought her back to the light. I think they were alluding to her finding Ahsoka with the "old friend" line, but I think it would have been better to replace episode 5 with her and Barriss fighting, and Ahsoka forgiving her or something (kinda like what already happens in episode 6 with Barriss and Lyn).
I am disappointed that Vader didn't have enough screen time. Also, I would have preferred it if Barriss was more evil in Tales of the Empire. She literally bombed the Jedi temple, which killed innocent civilians and then she framed her friend Ashoka. Yes, Barriss at first had good intentions, but so did Dooku and Anakin, but the dark side ended up consuming them. It would make more sense if the dark side consumed her more. It would have been interesting to see Vader interacting with Barriss. Also, it would have been a more interesting plot to see Vader training the inquisitors and torturing them, especially Barriss. Given Vader's personal vendetta against Barriss for her involvement in the bombing of the Jedi temple and the framing of Ahsoka, the dynamic between them would have been intense. Vader's treatment of Barriss would involve both physical and psychological torment. This could have been portrayed through a scenario where Vader instructs Barriss to capture her former master, Luminara, and orders her to eliminate her. During this encounter, Barriss might begin to sense a connection between Vader and his former identity as Anakin Skywalker.
SO MUCH WASTED POTENTIAL. I was so intrigued by the thought of seeing Vader practically RIGHT AFTER he gets his suit, and maybe getting a sense of internal conflict over what he's done and what he's doing, but nah, let's have him sit in a chair and not even move his head. (Though, gotta say, his suit looked nearly photo realistic with all these engine upgrades they've been doing. Like, even though I didn't care much for how the story was executed, I was in awe of the animation nearly the entire show.)
bombed jedi temple framed ashokka who was one of her closest friends and saved her life feels no remorse takes ventures light sabers goes full dark side and than grows a hart
*heart
1. When was she ever on the dark side?
2. She seemed more like a fundamentalist Saw Gerrera type but with less control and more anger
3. Anakin killed younglings and many many others. He was allowed a redemption arc but Barris is not?
Lyn certainly was beyond redemption. Anakin’s return to the light was meant to be special as he was the chosen one. “Forever shall it dominate your path”
“If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will” is the exact quote.
@@williamflowers9435 and apparently it's wrong. Anakin came back
Theory stop complaining this was good Star Wars. You’re complaining about the story not being what you want instead of appreciating the story we got. You sound like the fans that hated the Prequels because we didn’t get to see Vader in the suit hunt down the Jedi. We still got a good story. You guys keep complaining and Disney is going make us wait 10-15 years for new content like we had to do when we were kids
Bingo. As a 54 year old trilogy generation kid we HATED the prequels at first (I was 29-36 years old or then). The clone wars and rebels helped me truly appreciate them. The kids during that time, like SWT, are the toxic ones that hated the sequals and the Disney stuff. Even the amazing ANDOR!
I agree 💯 with you
They should have done the Barriss arch years ago. Like announced they had plans for her in 2014 or something. I saw the fanart of Ahsoka fighting an
Inquisitor Barriss back in 2014 and they could used that idea sooner but they waited to long.
Bariss wasn't a different character... She never fell completly to the dark side. Sure she channeled the dark side a few times but she never let it consume her. She was disillusioned by the Clone Wars and it lead her down a path where she saw everyone around her fully consumed by the dark side and she realized this was not her path. Thought it was actually a great arc. Still lots of time gaps for them to play with to bring in a Ahsoka reunion. Also, maybe she's dead, maybe she's not.
Barris, upon seeing a figure exuding the dark side as he enters and sits before the Inquisitor in a commanding manner (a figure previously shown to be stronger than Barris), makes her immediately understand that she has a new owner now. The act of putting on her helmet is a symbol of respect towards Vader, both for sparing her life and for trusting that there is now a chance to make things right, contrary to what the Jedi Council did before. That's why she takes off the helmet upon seeing the child later in the episode. It's a very subtle reflection on the impact the helmet has on Barris's actions, and Vader being present when she puts it on for the first time is something profound because of what it implies. It wasn't just clickbait, it was art.
They properly used chatGPT to write the script lol.
How do u guys cry about Barriss coming back to the light after what she did but not a word when Vader goes back to the light💀💀
Because Vader was actually written better and it made sense why he turned back
Vader was Gay 456only matters
How do not throw a bone to fans and give us a Merrin cameo during the massacre of the Nightsisters??
Because they would need to acknowledge JFO story. Also why Morgan lost her face markings while Merrin and even Ventress never did?
They would have to make a new model and they didn’t need to show her.
@@piotrbuczulinski9369Different methods of giving a Sister power, Morgan got the extreme discount version.
@collecter343 my theory is that every clan has diffrent Great Mother. Ventress and Merrin had Talzin that didn't die completely till Ezra destroyed that alter. Maybe Morgan had diffrent Great Mother that died in the purge hence why her markings and magick is lost when Merrin and Ventress still had markings left that might be gone after Talzin death in Rebels S3. We didn't see Ventress or Merrin in this time so we don't know if death of Talzin had any impact for these two nightsisters left. I'm not native English speaker but I hope you will get the idea
@@piotrbuczulinski9369 Understandable and your English is very good, better than some native English speakers I know. The process to harness the force for Night Sister magic is not that well defined so your theory makes sense. Whatever method Morgan used was unstable enough for her to lose it after the initial battle.
However on a positive note the color scheme lighting and artwork of the inquisitor fortress was so haunting reminded me of Minas Morgul from LOTR
Let’s hope they treat tales of the sith better
If they are doing tale of the sith
I would prefer to sith lord that haven't been on tv show.
Like Darth Bane, Revan, Malgus, Plagueis, nihilus, Marr.
really don't need Darth vader, Sidious story in tale of the sith yet, as there constantly get reused every tv show, so it is better to have a different sith Lord for once.
Im a simp for General Grievous
💚💙☠️💚💙
I loved barriss redemption and how she possibly reconnected with ahsoka. I think it was a good story.
💯 Agree.
By dying? Lyn is beyond redemption. “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will.” - Yoda
Lyn was a mass murder. Why would barriss die to redeem her? Barriss could have helped the Rebellion, protected force sensitive children, helped Luke form a better version of the Jedi, train Grogu in the force without the dogmatic view of the Jedi… so much potential both in universe and in future storytelling… what a waste 😔
I know ventress left but we shoulda got a ventress one and baylan, and then ventress shoulda been who they revived in ahsoka instead of reviving the storm troopers and then she fights ahsoka in her show, but no they made her survive in bad batch and now she’s just out there which makes no sense
it was amazing for me
This!
Bingo..agree.
Yeah, I just rewatched Tales of the Jedi just to make sure its better as I remember, and the whole Dooku story and the 5th ep and a little bit of the 6th were great, really compelling, you felt and connected with those chars. Also the 1st ep I want that interested in, last yes cause it's redoing the novel but maybe not still but better than this cause Ashoka. Also more complex, this was simple.
I liked it people change tho i like it when bads turn for the better
You forget though she did have a Jedi as a teacher I saw it as that Barris just did that bombing because of the problem she had with the Jedi but that doesn't mean she is all evil because of her Jedi training and that is why she literally doesn't kill the kid or those other humans and the way they went with her I liked it because it shows she didn't have a problem with Ashoka it was Jedi order as a whole and what she did was something similar to what Luke did with Vader Luke showed his father a better path and that is what barriss did with the inquisitor and leaving it like that is great showing the Darksider that trained her leaving behind her lightsaber for a better life and hopefully Barris just passed on would make a great send off to her
Lots of Set Dressing for lackluster writing.
Well I think Disney are Anakin/Vader haters.
Going to have to disagree with you on this one. At least about the last three episodes. I thought the stuff with Morgan was kind of a waste of time, I agree on that. But I loved Barris’ arc so much. I thought it was beautiful.
Bingo. Although I also liked the Morgan arc to anger then eventual derangement.
Bariss redeeming a mass murderer was silly. Even worse if she’s dead. What a pointless waste of her potential… both in universe (she could help so many people, fight the Empire, protect force sensitive children) and to future story telling. If she’s not Ahsoka’s nemesis, fine. She could train Grogu in the force but different from the Jedi way. She could aid the Rebellion. It’s almost like Disney didn’t know what to do either her so they just kill her off.
Bariss should have been in Snoke’s position. Caretaker of the Contingency. Return to “help” Luke rebuild the Jedi Order and offer him tales of his father, Yoda, Obi Wan… Luke could have entrusted her to train Ben so it doesn’t seem like nepotism to the other students. She could have fulfilled the mother role that Leia failed to do because she was preoccupied with politics, slowly grooming Ben to join her and betray Luke. Instead of another crusty old guy luring Ben to the Dark Side. She had every reason to seek revenge on a Skywalker
@@williamflowers9435 well, if the last few shows have been any indication, it’s possible she might survive the light saber impalement 😆
@@TheSeptacle true… just a boo boo. A bandaid or two, with a little Bacta spray and she’ll be good as new 🩹
I feel like all these complaints would be fixed if these episodes were longer and had more content to build on the character growth. The time jumps made the character motivation changes a little rough. I understand the Barriss stuff but it needed more time to cook for the average watcher.
0:15 Tales of the Jedi wasn’t last year
I'm beginning to wonder if you really GET Star Wars at all. Star Wars is at its very CORE an allegorical tale of discovering the Truth, the light. The importance of forgiveness, love, compassion, self acceptance and reconciliation. Whilst I accept, to a point, people being annoyed with the Morgan arch, it perfectly paints her character in completion. But what Filoni has done with Barris is beautiful. I honestly welled up at the end. Imagine for a moment how Traumatised she was with all her experience in the Clone Wars. A mere Child sent to war. Her confusion, her feeling in her bones that something was not right with the Clone War or The Jedi Order. Giving into frustration, anger and lashing out. To finally come to terms with herself, making peace with her past. And moving on to heal and do her part to make the Galaxy a better place. This is, was, and will always BE the Core of what Star Wars is. And Filoni with Barris has done it AGAIN. 10/10. You 'Analyse' Star Wars... Like a CHILD.
“Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will.” - Yoda
Lyn was beyond redemption. She was a mass murderer. Why have Barriss die to redeem her?
What a waste!! Both in universe (she could have helped the Rebellion, protected force sensitive children, helped Luke build a better Jedi Order or train Grogu in the force without the narrow dogmatic view of the Jedi) and in future storytelling (could have been Ahsoka’s nemesis, could have sought revenge against the son of Skywalker… or if she’s good again, complete Ezra’s training, Grogu as I mentioned, make amends with Ahsoka and help defeat Thrawn…)
It’s like Disney didn’t know what to do so they kill her off. Lazy writing. Wasted potential.
@@williamflowers9435 No one is beyond Redemption. By your 'Logic' VADER would be beyond redemption and the Star Wars Allegory would not work. Now go and sit on the naughty step and think on.
This might go into the top 3 worst SWT takes of all time 💀
The Morgan Elzbeth episodes episodes felt completely useless. Barris episode 4-5 were REALLY good, it wouldn't be consistent to make her evil, she doesn't like the jedi or the sith, she just wants an order that acts as proper piece keepers, why would she become Ashoka's rival or whatever?? She was told the inquisitors would do a better job, and when she witnessed first hand what they actually did, she realised that yet again she worked for a failed order that only follows what the superiors tell them. But yeah, episode 6 was bad lmao😂
Starwars Theory, I reckon you have another look into her character before you think she should be vaders soldier.
First SW project I’ve skipped watching. So over this shit bruh. Blue balled every time
I get it, some things could’ve been done better plot wise, but come on, this wasn’t bad. The fight choreography alone was the best we’ve had in a long time in every sense. Even in that fight Morgan had with Rukh, it was more incredibly done than most lightsaber fights in The Clone Wars
Definitely, I agree. I really liked the Morgan stuff, but the Barriss Offee episodes were underwhelming.
Disney just need to put all their effort into animation with star wars. It surpasses anything Live Action they've made. Im glad to see characters we've only seen animated in Rebels be redone in Clone Wars style. Grand Inquisitor, Ruuk and Thrawn look so much better than their Rebels counterparts.
Enjoyed the series overall i think it was much better than Ahsokas episodes in Tales of the Jedi but that's just personal preference. Dooku's episodes were perfection.
The difference between Ahsoka animated to Live Action is night and day.
Bad guys in Star Wars, at least for the most part are so much more interesting to learn about than the Hero's. Would much rather a Tales of the Empire 2 before a Tales of the Jedi 2 but would happily have both.
It was not what I was hoping for that’s for sure.
I enjoyed this a lot i give it 8 out of 10.
Tales of the disappointment would have been a great title (Disney probably pitched it too)😂
"The ability to create multimillion dollar shows does not make you know how to tell good stories" -Qui Gon to Jar Jar in another universe probably
Morgan Elsbeth episodes >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bariss episodes
Morgan episodes were actually good compared to the barris ones 😢
Part of me wonders if the poor people at Lucasfilm Animation are getting whip-cracked into doing this. You think wanted this? You think Dave wanted this?! I don't think they wanted to but at the risk of their jobs, they had to do it which is really sad.
I agree, people forget that the pencil pushers control Disney. That's how a company like that is run. We see the same issues across all of their IPs.
dave created this show, if you have blame it should go to him, he gets too much praise, he has good projects and bad projects with more bad than good.
@@Theyflynow_1 thank you i feel like when a cartoon show does shit its never dave its disney disney disney but dave created the show he wrote it lmao so I dont know why hes getting no blame when his show do bad but now if its someone else who created the show they will get the blame instead of diseny too much filoni riders in this channel
@@Psychokiller2133 literally, even in live action - the ahsoka series kinda flopped in the opinion of a lot of fans and this was the first project where Dave kinda had full control, yet no one blames him and instead blame Disney.
What part seemed unwanted?
Morgan was 100% Dave given he created her.
Barriss has been the source of speculation for years.
I don't get what part was forced onto Dave
It was unrealistic that she turns into such a monk so fast. She literally bombed and killed jedi, slaughtered clones and framed her best friend. Now she… becomes a jedi and is not willing to kill for the ”larger cause”? After such a small time too. Eps 1 and 4 were great. 2 and 5 were filler and 6 were bad endings
I’m right there with you. I try to stay optimistic but mehhhhh.
I can not understand how you hate on even this show. At the started i wanted this show to be about palpatine, grevious, plageus and so on. But this was so good that i dont care for all i wanted. It was just too good. At this point you just love to complain cause your fans demands it. And btw u asked u wrote this show? YOUR FAVORITE DAVE FILONI
Bingo.. I found these very well written.
Finally abeloth was here ... acolyte new trailer 🤯😁the smile
There were some parts I enjoyed. Personally I liked that Barris had a redemption arc, but the one thing I did not like was that they gave the credit for the tie defender project to Morgan. For the longest time we were told it was throw a project. I feel like it undermined thrawn a lot.
He's probably the one who pitched the idea to Palpatine and persuaded the funding of the factories to their construction. He probably doesn't know much how the ship works technical wise and didn't design them, which is where Morgan comes to play.
What happened to “Forever shall it dominate your destiny ”???
From the same guy who pretty much just told a guy who was asking for advice on loss to just “get over it”. His advice isn’t always right.
Theory, what did you expect? It's about the Empire, it's supposed to be bad. 😉
It’s gotta be plaguis or his master. We have been screaming for us to be able to finally see him. And time after time they ignore us. When I see younger yoda, and Plaguis or Tenabris, then all my hopes for the show would be more than fulfilled!
No… I don’t want Disney touching Plagueis
The Morgan Elzbeth stuff was decent. The Bariss stuff was terrible after a decent start.
Youre free to have your own opinion, but Vader's story is told, its not about him anymore. Any appearance from now on is fan service. I personally enjoyed the Barris redemption arc, she was given the chance to serve something that wasn't the Jedi/Republic, saw everything in a different light and chose her path. Who knows what her mindset was at in the last episode, maybe she was just helping The Way.
I personally enjoyed it, not 10/10 ofc, but id say a solid 7
The question is not It. Vader had a past with Barriss and she was important to Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. And they didn't had any dialogue or Duel
When I finished last episodes I thought I was missing episodes. "Tales of the Empire" but doesnt give a episode with tarkin, krennic,Vader, or emperor. Only one on screen was Vader for no dialogue just him breathing. I was at least hoping we'd see her old friend was asajj and shes been helping with the group we were introduced to in kenobi. Yet that still has nothing to do with empire characters lol.
What kinda pissed me off a little was not they turned Barriss away from the dark side, it’s what they did with her being a “good guy”
Episode 5, they had a REALLY interesting story of an inquisitor misunderstanding the Empire’s goals and trying to be genuinely good for the people. She still hates the Jedi, but overall was a good person, willing to offer a hand to the Jedi they were hunting for them to live as an inquisitor. But instead they turned around and turned her into some monk on an ice planet. And I mean sure, episode 6 had a fine message to it, good themes… but they dropped something genuinely interesting for that boring route… AND THEN THEY KILL HER OFF I MEAN WHATS THE POINT?????? I feel like I wasted my time getting invested in her story. It’s just crazy cause I really liked the majority of this season and despite the last episode I say Tales of the Empire was awesome… but they dropped something so interesting for the literal most boring, white bread story that every Jedi after the prequels goes down… I’m just so unbelievably disappointed in that last episode, otherwise I really enjoyed the majority of it
Solid 6.5/7 out of 10
Dave Filoni Directed
I made it in about 4 min into the 4th episode and turned it off. Going to watch the original trilogy on my vhs.
I enjoyed that.
Felt that Morgan Elsbeth had a better story than with Bariss. It should have ended with Darth Vader punishing her in the last episode. That would have had more weight since she framed Ahsoka and twice for her betrayal.
Except you don’t understand Vader as a character. He doesn’t see himself as Anakin anymore, so he’s not going to hold a grudge against Bariss. So it makes sense why Vader wouldn’t care about confronting or killing Bariss.
Went into this thinking I would like the Bariss stuff WAY more than the Morgan Elsbeth stuff, but the exact opposite ended up happening lol, those last two episodes were shite
💯 sir😶🌫️
Agree massive let down the title was tales of the empire all I saw was a washed up Jedi and a night sister…… no empire
It felt very cheap becuase there were three instances were jedi/inquiss were fighting and one of them was not using a lightsaber.
Is it too much to ask for a few lightsaber duels?
Even the fight with Grevious was so dam short
Don't understand why they would choose Bariss and Morgan to represent the empire. So many better choices. And they have Bariss switch sides so it's not even a tale of the empire at that point.
I wouldn't mind a Bariss redemption arc but it wasn't done in an interesting way at all
Kinda think there should take a break from darth vader.
He doesn't really need a story yet in the tale of an empire. He had used many tv shows & games.
Morgan & barris was a nice touch of Story.
If we get series 2 of the tale of empire, we prefer to have Thrawn & Grand inquisitor.
I would prefer to have a different type of sith lord to have a tv show instead constantly reused Vader & Sidious all time, why not have Darth Plagueis, Revan, nihilus, Marr, Magalus, Bane would be better opition.
It was good but not great as Tales of the Jedi which was great.
I thought that Barris is going to die at the hands of Darth Vader,
Which is not great.