I love how Dr Raynor has two distinct modes: UA-cam personality, and orthopedic surgeon. The former is energetic and entertaining, while the latter is more technical and sympathetic.
I wished that the Shotel was given MUCH more attention. It was a double-edged curved sword that chopped with the concave side and deeply lacerated with the convex side. It pierced, deeply, with its point, and it was used to target the vital organs. It’s a shame that it was presented as a simple farming implement.
I'm a paramedic and I love this show. When I see the keal tests and watch the injuries on the ballistics dummy it's... a lesson in triage! If somebody got attacked by an axe wielded by Doug I'll pronounce them dead before the first blow hits.
@@__Tazzzo Thank you but the real heroes are the everyday people who take courses in first aid and CPR and spring into action when it's needed. They ARE the real heroes
@@danielhenderson8316 your comment reminded me of an episode where one smith made a sword so blunt it couldn't even break flesh. That was the best laugh I had, forgot which episode it was though.
Archeological finds from medieval gravesites, both near and far from battlefields paint a different picture. From the former, historians have learnt that many wounded soldiers and knights survived their wounds 1.) due to armour and 2.) because of medical aid. Healed skull wounds are one example I remember distinctively. Even levies should have worn a gambeson (thick linen) which provides protection against cutting and blunt force trauma alongside a shield (depending on the time period), and maybe a helmet. Usually, peasants were not sent to war as being of that group meant that your feudal Lord would arm a man for you (at least in central Europe). Free farmers on the other hand needed to go to war if ordered to do so and those would also pay for their own equipment which as mentiond included at least rudimentary armour. Medieval battles were also often on the smaller side and tended IN GENERAL to not involve large scale slauther (though examples exist). Once an army broke, often it retreated and a peace was signed. Fun fact: Medieval surgeons successfully operated on the stomach (for example appendectomies) and people had good chances of surviving. In towns, these surgeons received pay and lodging from the town but needed to provide aid to anyone who came for very moderate fees (again, centered on Central Europe).
Underappreciated nowadays certainly... Some variation of death on the end of a stick dominated the battlefield for thousands of years before guns rendered them obsolete.
@@__Tazzzo hey, even professional builders suffer catastrophic failures! Welds, cold shuts, or even the haft used just splitting under pressure. So take some comfort if it does fail. Unless you die due to the failure of the weapon, then, well, that sucks.
They where very popular for a reason. Simple to make vs swords but as you see. They can do massive damage. Even in armour the Blunt force impact is ernough to shatter bones and so
Polearms/Halberds is indeed frightening weapons. There's a reason why it was used by people defending a small area like a door or gate. The versatility and reach was extreme. When attacking, it is however to slow. It's a weapon ment to keep the hostiles away. IF you know what you're doing and hit someone, they won't bother you again but in actual combat, speed is more important. In 1361 Denmark attacked the Swedish island Öland. The attacker had a professional army and the defenders was farmers that used what their ancestors had left behind. The Swedish farmers was slaughtered to the level that even their helmets was buried (to much plunder to handle). The reason was that the Danes had a new tactic. The Danes didn't strike to kill but simply used light weight spears to stab their enemies feet. Way above 90% of those killed had stab injuries to one or two feet. Speed is and has always been supreme.
History Cold Case had forensic anthropologists look at two skeletons from the Scottish Wars Of Independence, and they were absolutely horrified to find out what a flanged mace actually does to a human skull.
I think he was envisioning how much work would be involved in the operating room for each of those injuries. Either that or how much he would not want to talk with the relatives of the victims of those attacks after he declares that person deceased.
@@danuttall With those injuries, there would be no work what so ever for them in the O.R. Or for the Surgeon. Toe Tag'em, Bag'em and Drag'em to the Morg.
There are two parts. As a health worker it's worrisome to see the possibility that a human would do such a thing to another human. Is frightening to see what they to each other in the past... the second as an entretainment is cool to role play as little knight ... However one should always try to not hurt another human
A note on the big heavy weapons: yes, they do lots of damage, but they're cumbersome and tiring to wield. The executioners sword isn't meant for the battlefield or dueling, just executions (and display/parade). The lochamber axe was dragging Doug around: he wasn't “doing a little dance” at the end, he was trying to make struggling to keep his balance look good. (He succeeded imo).
Yeah the Executioner's sword had literally 1 purpose that being to chop the head off with single clean strike (swords were used when enacting the death penalty on nobles, commoners either be beheaded with an axe or they would hanged, that is when these swords were used) and was high specialized for that purpose. There were large swords used in the battlefield but those looked different and a lot of the heavy weapons were used in formations where the their slowness was less of an issue. EDIT: While I'm not familiar with the lochamber axe the long shaft suggest it was a guard/formation weapon not something you'd use for 1 on 1 duels.
@@SampoPaalanen It looks similar to other polearms, and I assume the hook is for pulling cavalry off horses if possible. It's also probably going to be quickly made and not as sharp, since they'd need to make enough for a whole group to use. I wonder how effective it was against a full on charge forward.
@arvurebantra7639 Also, you can sacrifice some sharpness when the weapon has that much potential kinetic energy. The blade won't cut you, the weight will.
To be fair, he also wasn't using the lichbar in a fighting form. He was holding it to close to the butt and moving it wrong for that Brutal results though
Just a note here, when Doug says, 'It will KEAL', what sounds like 'kill' is actually an acronym for 'Keep Everyone ALive', as in it would be effective at stopping an attacker. Yes, due to the extent of the damage these weapons can inflict, those results will in very high probability be fatal, but that is kind of implied in the fact these are already historically used, and known to be lethal weapons. Yes, Doug does seem to enjoy these tests a lot. A little like a kid with a video game.
I’d love to watch your take on historical execution methods… Viking Blood Eagle, burnt at stake, hanging, beheading with an axe/sword vs guillotine, etc. (Modern methods might be interesting, too… gas chamber vs electric chair vs hanging vs firing squad, stoning, whatever.
@@TChalla616 Oh, no doubt. If the depictions in the Vikings series were remotely close…. … Though I gotta say… I’d rather go through that than crucifixion or being burned at the stake. The former because it can last for days… the later because it’s always been a fear of mine - even before I accidentally set myself on fire (hands and crotch, with zippo fluid). Dunno why, that’s just always been something I have feared.
@@JonasBass-vf5lb well… at least the victim wouldn’t suffer for long… the blood loss alone would kill a person, let alone outright shock. Seems to me your lungs aren’t meant to go that way, too.
Absolutely want more FiF video analysis...I watch Forged in Fire episodes regularly; your medical analysis is enlightening...far beyond Doug's IT WILL KEAL...
Doug may look crazy and dangerous during the weapons tests, but he seems like a sweet guy the rest of the time. The only thing more lethal than Doug's sword skills are his dad jokes.
@@ChrisRaynorMD he's a practitioner of Filipino Martial Arts, and teaches the same. He's one of those guys who is capable of ending lives with just about anything he can put his hands on.
I think this vid shows how much of a genuine person and caring surgeon you are. You breezed through horrific 40k augmentations barely blinking. But the genuine horror on your face with these weapons was brilliant. Much love you and the channel. 🙏😁😘
Doug Marcaida may be having too much fun here, but give him a karambit and he'll start opening stuff up like it's Christmas. Or watch him with a training karambit as he is just as effective with one. EDIT: Forgot to share a video link. It's a compilation of Doug demonstrating karambit techniques with blunt training blades. Instead of seeing the injuries you get to see how the blade is used to injure and control a person, frequently by exploiting biomechanical limitations.
"It will keel" is a Doug Marcaida catchphrase since the show began, it is fun for him after all these years; and I never get tired of his mischievous smile while he says it even after all these years! 13:05 - Actually, they'd most likely be meeting the weapon at the speed of a galloping horse as this is a weapon used to knock chevaliers off their horses, hence the hook for yanking warriors off the horse too. Then a large overhead swing on the downed warrior, repeated until he stops moving. The weight of the weapon would be enough to crush possible plate armor; since that was expensive, it would most likely contend with chainmail, splintmail and gambeson (padded jacket worn under armor).. Even IF this guy survived all that, he is not getting up. Also, this must be said; it was better to beat your enemies back then rather than kill them, as you could then ransom them off for money. Dead men have very little to offer. I'd like to see your reaction to the kilij test from Deadliest Warrior. No commentary needed on how dead that particular piggy would be. If you thought some of these weapons were especially brutal, also check out the Igorot head hunter axe; Skallagrim might have done the best video/demo on that weapon, in my opinion. What a fascinating team-up idea; surgeon and historical weapons 'experts' on the why/how these were so effective. Granted, 90% of weapon combat back then was situational and luck based. (spears were cheap, quick to make, and anyone could use them; hence their popularity, for example. Swords were expensive status symbols, and tutors to train you in their use was very expensive; well, until the kriegsmesser anyway) Thank you, Dr Chris (and crew behind the scenes), for the hard work and time you guys put into making these videos! I don't catch all of them, but they're always an interesting perspective and informative!
I very rarely end up getting to watch your videos because the only times I see them in my feed are when they’re set to premier and not when they’re actually available. By the time they’re available they’re buried. Probably a UA-cam problem but I’d love to see the premiers go away.
@@yose_yes9036it only sends a notification for when the premier is 30 minutes away, not when the video is uploaded, and you can't mark it for watch later from there. I have the same problem.
I think I remember an episode that was called "crusader long sword" or something like that. And the second dude had a sword that sharp it passed shoulderblades, rips and everything like butter. Highly recommend you react to that or watch it for yourself Seeing damage these weapons can inflict its quite impressive what doctors back then were able to pull off to bring people's health back
Doug does enjoy his work. It's frightening how well some of these weapons are made and even more frightening that they were used in real life! Dr. Raynor's reactions were great. I would love to see some more reaction videos like this.
The Lochamber axe, like many polearms similar to it, is designed for combat against cavalry and horse riders. The hook on it can be used to yank a rider off a horse, and the blade is then used to finish the job. The downside for such a weapon is that they are very heavy and most foot soldiers back then were not well trained, so any swordsman can probably win in a fight against them.
Have to say I disagree with this. Footsoldoers might not have been as well trained as knights and such, but the real skill with polearms is in fighting in formation. Swords lived almost their entire existence in Europe as side backup weapons, if you were going to be fighting in melee on foot, you use a polearm, on a horse, you use a Lance. Also while the oil can be used for pulling a foe from a horse just think of it as a hook, it can be used to trip, pull someone out of line etc. Also Lochaber, it’s the name of a place, a weapon first mentioned in the early 1500s but likely existed earlier, it’s notable however it continued its use into the Jacobite wars so often it’s main opponent was musketeers
Loved your reactions to these kill tests doc, OUTSTANDING!!!! Doug has a bit of a sadistic side when it comes to lopping off body parts. You should check out the one where they test the William Wallace CLAYMORE, the episode with Judge Ben Abbott's is the best, he cuts the pig in half with one strike
I have been watching Forged in Fire since it started and is one of my favourite shows, I do hope you continue to do these. A little Context, I don't like the Executioner's Sword because it was made for and Used on Nobles to show the separation of Class as if Nobles were somehow deserving of a better blade than the executions for more common folk.
I'm a family medicine doctor, not a surgeon, but I had a lot of the same cringing reactions, knowing what I know about the human body. Sometimes I'm watching an MMA fight, and while everyone else is calling for the knockout, I'm calling for the ref to stop the fight because I've seen what repeated head trauma does to someone. I can't help it.
While serving in the Marines we were taught how to properly use a knife to kill the enemy solider - and that happened several time during my time serving - we were taught the QUIET and Deadly method to take out an enemy solider - my comp.s knife of choice was the Stiletto
Yeeeeessssss! Thank you, Dr. Raynor. I've been practically begging for someone to do this. The executioner sword chopping through the head was my favorite. That was approaching the Mortal Kombat Fatality level of gruesome. Is there a word for cutting a head in half like that? Is it still a decapitation even though half the head is still attached to the body?
It is still considered decapitation so long as the spinal cord is severed, as far as I'm aware medically and legally (those damned technicalities!) speaking.
@@nephicus339 so what would it be called if the level of the cut was above the spinal cord? A skull cap amputation? Signed - “Nearly Headless” Ni- ERR… asking for a friend.
My favourite weapon from the show was the rhomphaia, but it left little to talk about in relation to injuries. Also igorot headhunter axe and frankish throwing axes
I'm actually impressed at how uncomfortable this made Chris. His usual cheery and energetic demeanor was nowhere to be found there! And it is to be expected, those were all gruesome scenes...
I love Doug, not just because hes a martial artist and a weapons specialist but also because he has so much fun with the Keal test. Makes me giddy because I would probably have fun too
"Let's jump right into the action" but you said it within a minute of the beginning, so it really is "right into." I appreciate that, thank you very much. That by itself is worth a Like.
I'd love to see your reaction to the falx or romphalia! They are "scythes" used by the Dancians during conflict with the Romans. There might be a forged in fire episode on them even!
Another great one Mister (using British title for surgeon) Raynor. A bit of Forged in fire geekdom. Doug Marcaida isn't saying that the weapon will "Kill". What he is deliberately saying is the weapon will "KEAl". Which stands for, Keep Everyone Alive. It is only in the first two episodes of series 1 that he said "Kill". I hope everyone is having an amazing week & much love to all from here in the UK
"It will keel" is basically the show's catchphrase. The kill test, while an effective test, isn't as aggressive as some of the other tests its put through. It's mostly designed to be flashy and cool for the camera because these are weapons of war and watching a weapon expert maul a pig carcass or ballistics dummy with them is really strong way to visualize the potential damage of the weapons without anyone actually getting hurt. That being said, there are weapons that have failed the kill test before. Edit: whenever they cut actual meat on the show (pigs, fish, deer, etc) the area where the meat is hung up to be cut is sanitary and the meat is then gathered, rinsed off, and actually eaten. None of it goes to waste.
The thing about an executioners blade was that they were especially made for a smooth beheading. A good executioner would have only needed 1 hit to behead the victim. Also, they were only for beheadings, which is why they have a rounded end, so they are bad at stabbing.
I appreciate your feedback on my Ngombe Ngulu! I had never heard of it and then I had to make one. Fun fact: in the Congo they bent a tree down and hooked the upper branches under the victims chin so that when they severed the head, the tree would fling it away like a catapult! 😬
I 💞 Forged In Fire! Soooo happy you featured this show in your video, so extra thanks are due for the pleasant surprise you delivered today. You rock,🤘 Doc! A pair of Viking war axes = double yikes.
I understand where you come from with the "this guy is having too much fun" but you gotta understand that it's fun to see the posibilities without repercussion to anyone, destruction in such a manner is not only harmless but entertaining and in the way you've brought it to us it's even educational. It's also a lot of fun to learn different combat styles and techniques, and getting to put them to the test on a jelly dummy is just the cherry on top! If i had the chance to mess around with one of theese for a day it'd be a mess once i was done, but with how insanely expesive they are there's no chance i'm getting my hands on one.
Mention of the butcher shop brings back memory... When I was a kid, 7 or 8 years old, in early 1960s, me and my friend would go to the local market to steal candy and cigarettes. Well, one of the times when we got caught, the store lady dragged us back behind the butchers counter to where the butcher was chopping up chunks with a BIG cleaver. The store lady put our hands up on the chopping block and said "Tell me your mother's phone number, or..." Yeah, our mom's both got a phone call! Yep, the good ol' days when our parents gave us spankings instead of suing the market!
You know... I love your way to explain what happen on FiF ... To human body with science ...thanks doc...may be you need some of that blade for your decor
Doug really hams up the "It will keeeeell" line because the contestants LOVE it when he says it. In the first season he said it like a normal person with his accent would say "it will kill"... after dismembering a gelatin dummy. I mean, there's really no *normal* way to do that, but he used to say it with less ham and cheese. Another thing to keep in mind here is that these are *weapons*, they're all specifically designed for the purpose of murdering humans. Nothing is going to be comforting about them being used as intended.
Very good video! I would normally say nice but I believe that wouldn’t be taken very well. I like your clinical descriptions of the damage inflicted. Thank you.
Another banger, doc. If I was to choose a weapon, as much as I love axes and how effective it is, the intimidation factor of an executioner's sword might be the difference between negotiations and a bloody battle. Especially if using two-handed sword techniques.
Yes I would like to see more reaction's from you pertaining to "Forged in Fire"...though I would dare say using weapon's like Flail's, Morning Star's, Italian Mace, Mace-n-Chain + other Blunt Force Weapon's. reasoning is simple; Your Medical Feed Back pertaining to these issue's allow not only valuable lesson's with accuracy but it also allows an RPG Game Master / player's a more realistic concept of what these weapon's can and should do in a single combat...with and without Armor.
10:00 In so glad you didn’t waste that opportunity - I swear both my brain and the song started at the exact same time! 🤣 My song used to be “Gimme Stitches” by the Foo’s when I worked in A&E 😂
Love the KEAL (Keep Everyone ALive) test It's a test to see if it's a worthy weapon for Combat and keep anybody who weilds it alive long enough to fight another day Thank you for reacting to how Lethal the Attacks actually are by the way Doc
Question, Doc : what would actually be both the most painful and slowest deadly blow you could be inflicted with ? Feels like disembowelment would be easily at least in the Top3.
I love this show, the history behind the blades, the judges, the contestants, it's just one of those shows that tickles that itch for education, competition and entertainment. Doug Marcaida is a bladed weapons expert and a Kali martial artist, so he knows his way around several of history's nastiest weapons, as shown in this video. And the executioner's sword is one of my favourite weapons to be shown on that show, mainly because it's my go to weapon on Vermintide 2 when playing as Kruber haha.
The thing about the Executioner Sword is that it doesn't have a distal taper, like most swords. A distal taper is essentially just a fancy word for the sword getting thinner towards the tip. Because the Executioner Sword doesn't have one, the blade's center of balance is put much further forward, which makes it behave much more like a cleaver, as described in the video.
As a HEMA practitioner I'd love to see more of these types of videos! I do wish more realistic, not full body-full force blows were on display, but that's more a criticism of the source material.
Also, it varied greatly. Levied peasantry wore their clothes. High ranking knights and nobles had all the armor they could afford. Needless to say - so did the peasants.
@@ChrisRaynorMD Most would have died from blunt force trauma or infection if they survi Ed the battle. It was not till hundreds of years later that Florence Nightingale, more famous for her statistical work, than her role as the world's first professional Nurse showed that soldiers were more likely to have died from infections and unsanitary conditions than the battlefield itself. The Battle of Taunton said to be the bloodiest battle in British medieval history was more a massacre than a battle, as most of the appalling injuries afflicted on the casualties, were those that were executed after they were chased down like rabbits, and never engaged in the battle itself. So the series is actually misleading and does not really give a real picture of the nature of the Battlefield experience itself.
The lochaber axe was not even used to maximum efficiency. If you are an experienced user of an axe, usually as you swing it, your right hand (if you're right handed) slides down the haft toward the left hand, and away from the blade. That increases the energy and speed of the swing even as it guides the blade. The same technique is used swinging many two-handed, long hafted tools and weapons, where you want to deliver maximum force.
Such a great video,I love forged in fire and had seen these episodes before, but it was something extra and super interesting to hear your medical take on the weapons and injuries
I love how Dr Raynor has two distinct modes: UA-cam personality, and orthopedic surgeon. The former is energetic and entertaining, while the latter is more technical and sympathetic.
It's a perfect storm
At 1:27 you can literally hear the switch back to sympathetic surgeon happen.
if you like these, you should meet the other ones!
I wished that the Shotel was given MUCH more attention.
It was a double-edged curved sword that chopped with the concave side and deeply lacerated with the convex side.
It pierced, deeply, with its point, and it was used to target the vital organs.
It’s a shame that it was presented as a simple farming implement.
The medicine man knows better..
I'm a paramedic and I love this show. When I see the keal tests and watch the injuries on the ballistics dummy it's... a lesson in triage! If somebody got attacked by an axe wielded by Doug I'll pronounce them dead before the first blow hits.
I don't know. There seems to be a 1 in 5 chance whatever weapon he's using will break.
Thanks for being a paramedic!
@@__Tazzzo Thank you but the real heroes are the everyday people who take courses in first aid and CPR and spring into action when it's needed. They ARE the real heroes
@@danielhenderson8316 your comment reminded me of an episode where one smith made a sword so blunt it couldn't even break flesh. That was the best laugh I had, forgot which episode it was though.
Archeological finds from medieval gravesites, both near and far from battlefields paint a different picture. From the former, historians have learnt that many wounded soldiers and knights survived their wounds 1.) due to armour and 2.) because of medical aid. Healed skull wounds are one example I remember distinctively. Even levies should have worn a gambeson (thick linen) which provides protection against cutting and blunt force trauma alongside a shield (depending on the time period), and maybe a helmet. Usually, peasants were not sent to war as being of that group meant that your feudal Lord would arm a man for you (at least in central Europe). Free farmers on the other hand needed to go to war if ordered to do so and those would also pay for their own equipment which as mentiond included at least rudimentary armour.
Medieval battles were also often on the smaller side and tended IN GENERAL to not involve large scale slauther (though examples exist). Once an army broke, often it retreated and a peace was signed.
Fun fact: Medieval surgeons successfully operated on the stomach (for example appendectomies) and people had good chances of surviving. In towns, these surgeons received pay and lodging from the town but needed to provide aid to anyone who came for very moderate fees (again, centered on Central Europe).
Polearms are underappreciated, ht utterly brutal. The ability to dismount the enemy, and to stab and hack was quite effective.
I have a polearm hanging on my wall. I made it myself, so its sure to fail me somehow
Underappreciated nowadays certainly... Some variation of death on the end of a stick dominated the battlefield for thousands of years before guns rendered them obsolete.
@@__Tazzzo hey, even professional builders suffer catastrophic failures! Welds, cold shuts, or even the haft used just splitting under pressure. So take some comfort if it does fail. Unless you die due to the failure of the weapon, then, well, that sucks.
They where very popular for a reason. Simple to make vs swords but as you see. They can do massive damage. Even in armour the Blunt force impact is ernough to shatter bones and so
Polearms/Halberds is indeed frightening weapons. There's a reason why it was used by people defending a small area like a door or gate. The versatility and reach was extreme.
When attacking, it is however to slow. It's a weapon ment to keep the hostiles away.
IF you know what you're doing and hit someone, they won't bother you again but in actual combat, speed is more important.
In 1361 Denmark attacked the Swedish island Öland. The attacker had a professional army and the defenders was farmers that used what their ancestors had left behind.
The Swedish farmers was slaughtered to the level that even their helmets was buried (to much plunder to handle). The reason was that the Danes had a new tactic.
The Danes didn't strike to kill but simply used light weight spears to stab their enemies feet. Way above 90% of those killed had stab injuries to one or two feet.
Speed is and has always been supreme.
3:10 To be fair, Doug Marcaida uses the phrase "KEAL" meaning "Keeps Everyone ALive." He sells shirts of that on his website.
XD Well...not Everyone.
@@TheFatalcrest Everyone you care about, at least.
Should've been "Keeps You ALive"
Or
KYAL
I think that still works.
In fact, the "KEAL" acronym is far more frightening.
Was coming to say this. Thank-you!
I don't think I've ever seen Chris look uncomfortable before. History is brutal
History Cold Case had forensic anthropologists look at two skeletons from the Scottish Wars Of Independence, and they were absolutely horrified to find out what a flanged mace actually does to a human skull.
Doug Marcaida will do that.
I think he was envisioning how much work would be involved in the operating room for each of those injuries. Either that or how much he would not want to talk with the relatives of the victims of those attacks after he declares that person deceased.
@@danuttall With those injuries, there would be no work what so ever for them in the O.R. Or for the Surgeon.
Toe Tag'em, Bag'em and Drag'em to the Morg.
There are two parts. As a health worker it's worrisome to see the possibility that a human would do such a thing to another human. Is frightening to see what they to each other in the past... the second as an entretainment is cool to role play as little knight ... However one should always try to not hurt another human
A note on the big heavy weapons: yes, they do lots of damage, but they're cumbersome and tiring to wield. The executioners sword isn't meant for the battlefield or dueling, just executions (and display/parade). The lochamber axe was dragging Doug around: he wasn't “doing a little dance” at the end, he was trying to make struggling to keep his balance look good. (He succeeded imo).
Yeah the Executioner's sword had literally 1 purpose that being to chop the head off with single clean strike (swords were used when enacting the death penalty on nobles, commoners either be beheaded with an axe or they would hanged, that is when these swords were used) and was high specialized for that purpose. There were large swords used in the battlefield but those looked different and a lot of the heavy weapons were used in formations where the their slowness was less of an issue.
EDIT: While I'm not familiar with the lochamber axe the long shaft suggest it was a guard/formation weapon not something you'd use for 1 on 1 duels.
@@SampoPaalanen It looks similar to other polearms, and I assume the hook is for pulling cavalry off horses if possible. It's also probably going to be quickly made and not as sharp, since they'd need to make enough for a whole group to use. I wonder how effective it was against a full on charge forward.
@arvurebantra7639 Also, you can sacrifice some sharpness when the weapon has that much potential kinetic energy.
The blade won't cut you, the weight will.
To be fair, he also wasn't using the lichbar in a fighting form. He was holding it to close to the butt and moving it wrong for that
Brutal results though
Just a note here, when Doug says, 'It will KEAL', what sounds like 'kill' is actually an acronym for 'Keep Everyone ALive', as in it would be effective at stopping an attacker. Yes, due to the extent of the damage these weapons can inflict, those results will in very high probability be fatal, but that is kind of implied in the fact these are already historically used, and known to be lethal weapons.
Yes, Doug does seem to enjoy these tests a lot. A little like a kid with a video game.
If you do what you love you will never work a day in your life. LOL. Doug definitely loves what he loves.
I cannot say I’ve ever heard that acronym, but that makes perfect sense. Thank you for the explanation!
I’d love to watch your take on historical execution methods… Viking Blood Eagle, burnt at stake, hanging, beheading with an axe/sword vs guillotine, etc. (Modern methods might be interesting, too… gas chamber vs electric chair vs hanging vs firing squad, stoning, whatever.
The Blood Eagle was horrific! It had to take a sadistic madman to come up with that one.
@@TChalla616 Oh, no doubt. If the depictions in the Vikings series were remotely close…. …
Though I gotta say… I’d rather go through that than crucifixion or being burned at the stake. The former because it can last for days… the later because it’s always been a fear of mine - even before I accidentally set myself on fire (hands and crotch, with zippo fluid). Dunno why, that’s just always been something I have feared.
If I remember we only have 2 documented cases of the blood eagle and both cases it was done to royalty
@@JonasBass-vf5lb well… at least the victim wouldn’t suffer for long… the blood loss alone would kill a person, let alone outright shock. Seems to me your lungs aren’t meant to go that way, too.
I think he actually did that, might have to dig around in his back catalogue a bit though
Absolutely want more FiF video analysis...I watch Forged in Fire episodes regularly; your medical analysis is enlightening...far beyond Doug's IT WILL KEAL...
Doug may look crazy and dangerous during the weapons tests, but he seems like a sweet guy the rest of the time. The only thing more lethal than Doug's sword skills are his dad jokes.
I have read that he is pretty lethal with a knife/Karam it as well.
@@ChrisRaynorMD he's a practitioner of Filipino Martial Arts, and teaches the same. He's one of those guys who is capable of ending lives with just about anything he can put his hands on.
@@engmed4400including a pencil?
@@samuraijackson241 most definitely. He'll straight up John Wick someone.
I think this vid shows how much of a genuine person and caring surgeon you are.
You breezed through horrific 40k augmentations barely blinking. But the genuine horror on your face with these weapons was brilliant.
Much love you and the channel. 🙏😁😘
Yeah. 40K is sci-fi through and through. These weapons are 100% real.
Doug Marcaida may be having too much fun here, but give him a karambit and he'll start opening stuff up like it's Christmas. Or watch him with a training karambit as he is just as effective with one.
EDIT: Forgot to share a video link. It's a compilation of Doug demonstrating karambit techniques with blunt training blades. Instead of seeing the injuries you get to see how the blade is used to injure and control a person, frequently by exploiting biomechanical limitations.
"It will keel" is a Doug Marcaida catchphrase since the show began, it is fun for him after all these years; and I never get tired of his mischievous smile while he says it even after all these years!
13:05 - Actually, they'd most likely be meeting the weapon at the speed of a galloping horse as this is a weapon used to knock chevaliers off their horses, hence the hook for yanking warriors off the horse too. Then a large overhead swing on the downed warrior, repeated until he stops moving. The weight of the weapon would be enough to crush possible plate armor; since that was expensive, it would most likely contend with chainmail, splintmail and gambeson (padded jacket worn under armor).. Even IF this guy survived all that, he is not getting up.
Also, this must be said; it was better to beat your enemies back then rather than kill them, as you could then ransom them off for money. Dead men have very little to offer.
I'd like to see your reaction to the kilij test from Deadliest Warrior. No commentary needed on how dead that particular piggy would be.
If you thought some of these weapons were especially brutal, also check out the Igorot head hunter axe; Skallagrim might have done the best video/demo on that weapon, in my opinion.
What a fascinating team-up idea; surgeon and historical weapons 'experts' on the why/how these were so effective. Granted, 90% of weapon combat back then was situational and luck based. (spears were cheap, quick to make, and anyone could use them; hence their popularity, for example. Swords were expensive status symbols, and tutors to train you in their use was very expensive; well, until the kriegsmesser anyway)
Thank you, Dr Chris (and crew behind the scenes), for the hard work and time you guys put into making these videos! I don't catch all of them, but they're always an interesting perspective and informative!
Chris should do the reaction for the Igorot Head Hunting Axe. (Forged In Fire of course)
I cringed HARD when I saw Skall bury that axe in the dummy. Just imagining how that would feel... yikes.
I very rarely end up getting to watch your videos because the only times I see them in my feed are when they’re set to premier and not when they’re actually available. By the time they’re available they’re buried. Probably a UA-cam problem but I’d love to see the premiers go away.
Notification bell bro
@@yose_yes9036it only sends a notification for when the premier is 30 minutes away, not when the video is uploaded, and you can't mark it for watch later from there. I have the same problem.
I will try an experiment where I don’t premiere the video to see if this is the case.
I think I remember an episode that was called "crusader long sword" or something like that. And the second dude had a sword that sharp it passed shoulderblades, rips and everything like butter. Highly recommend you react to that or watch it for yourself
Seeing damage these weapons can inflict its quite impressive what doctors back then were able to pull off to bring people's health back
Doug does enjoy his work. It's frightening how well some of these weapons are made and even more frightening that they were used in real life!
Dr. Raynor's reactions were great. I would love to see some more reaction videos like this.
The Lochamber axe, like many polearms similar to it, is designed for combat against cavalry and horse riders. The hook on it can be used to yank a rider off a horse, and the blade is then used to finish the job. The downside for such a weapon is that they are very heavy and most foot soldiers back then were not well trained, so any swordsman can probably win in a fight against them.
Have to say I disagree with this. Footsoldoers might not have been as well trained as knights and such, but the real skill with polearms is in fighting in formation. Swords lived almost their entire existence in Europe as side backup weapons, if you were going to be fighting in melee on foot, you use a polearm, on a horse, you use a Lance. Also while the oil can be used for pulling a foe from a horse just think of it as a hook, it can be used to trip, pull someone out of line etc.
Also Lochaber, it’s the name of a place, a weapon first mentioned in the early 1500s but likely existed earlier, it’s notable however it continued its use into the Jacobite wars so often it’s main opponent was musketeers
I would be pleased to see more Forged in Fire reactions.
I wholeheartedly agree!!
More forged in fire please 🙏🏻
Thank you Dr
Loved your reactions to these kill tests doc, OUTSTANDING!!!! Doug has a bit of a sadistic side when it comes to lopping off body parts. You should check out the one where they test the William Wallace CLAYMORE, the episode with Judge Ben Abbott's is the best, he cuts the pig in half with one strike
Deadliest Warrior's Kilij test is still #1 for me.
I have been watching Forged in Fire since it started and is one of my favourite shows, I do hope you continue to do these.
A little Context, I don't like the Executioner's Sword because it was made for and Used on Nobles to show the separation of Class as if Nobles were somehow deserving of a better blade than the executions for more common folk.
This is probably one of your best videos. The reactions were priceless.
I'm a family medicine doctor, not a surgeon, but I had a lot of the same cringing reactions, knowing what I know about the human body.
Sometimes I'm watching an MMA fight, and while everyone else is calling for the knockout, I'm calling for the ref to stop the fight because I've seen what repeated head trauma does to someone. I can't help it.
I love watching MMA, but I am right there with you.
And the thing about the Lochaber axe is, it was designed to be a "Clan Campbell Soup Can Opener"; not only chop through a foe, but their armor too.
I love the doc’s reactions honestly
While serving in the Marines we were taught how to properly use a knife to kill the enemy solider - and that happened several time during my time serving - we were taught the QUIET and Deadly method to take out an enemy solider - my comp.s knife of choice was the Stiletto
So funny. Love the "it will keell" reactions
This is a key detail. Doug doesn't say kill. He does say keel... He has said himself it's his own anagram. Keep Everyone Else Living.
Chris had a different vibe in this video, but it was definitely enjoyable. I think just the sheer damage overwhelmed him
Yeeeeessssss! Thank you, Dr. Raynor. I've been practically begging for someone to do this.
The executioner sword chopping through the head was my favorite. That was approaching the Mortal Kombat Fatality level of gruesome. Is there a word for cutting a head in half like that? Is it still a decapitation even though half the head is still attached to the body?
Wondered exactly the same… “Decapitation along a plane transecting the skull horizontally at the level of the brow” is a tad wordy.
It is still considered decapitation so long as the spinal cord is severed, as far as I'm aware medically and legally (those damned technicalities!) speaking.
@@nephicus339 so what would it be called if the level of the cut was above the spinal cord? A skull cap amputation?
Signed - “Nearly Headless” Ni-
ERR… asking for a friend.
Partial decapitation or incomplete decapitation.
My favourite weapon from the show was the rhomphaia, but it left little to talk about in relation to injuries.
Also igorot headhunter axe and frankish throwing axes
“It will keel!” 😂
More Forged In Fire reactions, please, my good man!
Mr. Doug "IT WILL KEEL" Marcaida is absolutely unmatched
Doug is the sweetest guy. Totally wholesome "keal" test.
The War Axe would be my preferred weapon on a Medieval battlefield
I'm actually impressed at how uncomfortable this made Chris. His usual cheery and energetic demeanor was nowhere to be found there! And it is to be expected, those were all gruesome scenes...
The guy that says “it will kill” was previously a respiratory therapist. You should bring him on the show.
I would absolutely LOVE to see Dr. Chris as a guest judge on FiF.
Id love to see more of these! As a former combat medic And blacksmith i can appreciate both aspects of this type of content.
I love Doug, not just because hes a martial artist and a weapons specialist but also because he has so much fun with the Keal test. Makes me giddy because I would probably have fun too
This is exactly what we like to see. All for "educational purposes".
"Let's jump right into the action" but you said it within a minute of the beginning, so it really is "right into." I appreciate that, thank you very much. That by itself is worth a Like.
Dr. Raynor has maybe the best way to make us understand anatomy even thought we're completel ignorant in the field.
I love that show for this very reason! Doug Marcaida has the greatest job in the freaking world!
Dude I love you. You do such a great job breaking this stuff down into digestible bits for anyone.
also please do more of these
One of the very few reality TV shows I actually enjoy watching because there’s no BS about it. So yes, continue please with reaction.
I seriously need more of this in my life.
I'd love to see your reaction to the falx or romphalia! They are "scythes" used by the Dancians during conflict with the Romans. There might be a forged in fire episode on them even!
Another great one Mister (using British title for surgeon) Raynor.
A bit of Forged in fire geekdom. Doug Marcaida isn't saying that the weapon will "Kill". What he is deliberately saying is the weapon will "KEAl". Which stands for, Keep Everyone Alive. It is only in the first two episodes of series 1 that he said "Kill".
I hope everyone is having an amazing week & much love to all from here in the UK
Love the Papa Roach insert, definitely a well set insert. Head back to Forged in Fire to check out a few more, especially the Rapier episode.
"It will keel" is basically the show's catchphrase. The kill test, while an effective test, isn't as aggressive as some of the other tests its put through. It's mostly designed to be flashy and cool for the camera because these are weapons of war and watching a weapon expert maul a pig carcass or ballistics dummy with them is really strong way to visualize the potential damage of the weapons without anyone actually getting hurt.
That being said, there are weapons that have failed the kill test before.
Edit: whenever they cut actual meat on the show (pigs, fish, deer, etc) the area where the meat is hung up to be cut is sanitary and the meat is then gathered, rinsed off, and actually eaten. None of it goes to waste.
Please do more Forged in Fire vids, very entertaining and like listening to the damage prognosis to the test objects.
Gotta watch your back around these guys, they're addicting 😂😂
The thing about an executioners blade was that they were especially made for a smooth beheading. A good executioner would have only needed 1 hit to behead the victim. Also, they were only for beheadings, which is why they have a rounded end, so they are bad at stabbing.
I appreciate your feedback on my Ngombe Ngulu! I had never heard of it and then I had to make one. Fun fact: in the Congo they bent a tree down and hooked the upper branches under the victims chin so that when they severed the head, the tree would fling it away like a catapult! 😬
I would love to see more of this! I used to watch that show all the time
You have to do more reaction videos like this.
1:25, Doug loves his job, as shown by the smile.
I 💞 Forged In Fire! Soooo happy you featured this show in your video, so extra thanks are due for the pleasant surprise you delivered today. You rock,🤘 Doc!
A pair of Viking war axes = double yikes.
i never thought seeing Dr. Raynor cringing THIS HARD would be so funny! XD
I could watch you review these weapons and their effects for hours not going to lie. I hope you follow up with more!
I love how emotion is very much showing with dr Raynor😢
I understand where you come from with the "this guy is having too much fun" but you gotta understand that it's fun to see the posibilities without repercussion to anyone, destruction in such a manner is not only harmless but entertaining and in the way you've brought it to us it's even educational. It's also a lot of fun to learn different combat styles and techniques, and getting to put them to the test on a jelly dummy is just the cherry on top! If i had the chance to mess around with one of theese for a day it'd be a mess once i was done, but with how insanely expesive they are there's no chance i'm getting my hands on one.
Mention of the butcher shop brings back memory... When I was a kid, 7 or 8 years old, in early 1960s, me and my friend would go to the local market to steal candy and cigarettes. Well, one of the times when we got caught, the store lady dragged us back behind the butchers counter to where the butcher was chopping up chunks with a BIG cleaver. The store lady put our hands up on the chopping block and said "Tell me your mother's phone number, or..."
Yeah, our mom's both got a phone call!
Yep, the good ol' days when our parents gave us spankings instead of suing the market!
You know... I love your way to explain what happen on FiF ... To human body with science ...thanks doc...may be you need some of that blade for your decor
Doug really hams up the "It will keeeeell" line because the contestants LOVE it when he says it. In the first season he said it like a normal person with his accent would say "it will kill"... after dismembering a gelatin dummy.
I mean, there's really no *normal* way to do that, but he used to say it with less ham and cheese.
Another thing to keep in mind here is that these are *weapons*, they're all specifically designed for the purpose of murdering humans. Nothing is going to be comforting about them being used as intended.
9:01 😂😂😂 That shit caught me off guard. As a man who pursues knowledge myself, these videos are very entertaining. Thank you, and much love
I'd LOVE more FIF reactions, yes.
I cannot imagine what it must have been like to face an opponent weilding these fearsome weapons.
Very good video! I would normally say nice but I believe that wouldn’t be taken very well. I like your clinical descriptions of the damage inflicted. Thank you.
Another banger, doc. If I was to choose a weapon, as much as I love axes and how effective it is, the intimidation factor of an executioner's sword might be the difference between negotiations and a bloody battle. Especially if using two-handed sword techniques.
3:12 you have absolutely no idea
He literally says that with the exact same smile EVERY TIME he disembowels something on the show.
"It will kill!" Is Doug Marcaida's signature catch phrase. 🎉🎉🎉
Doug Marcaida is a legend, and him enjoying kill test way too much is one of the reasons.
that number noodle seems like a pretty slick knife to own.
Yes I would like to see more reaction's from you pertaining to "Forged in Fire"...though I would dare say using weapon's like Flail's, Morning Star's, Italian Mace, Mace-n-Chain + other Blunt Force Weapon's. reasoning is simple; Your Medical Feed Back pertaining to these issue's allow not only valuable lesson's with accuracy but it also allows an RPG Game Master / player's a more realistic concept of what these weapon's can and should do in a single combat...with and without Armor.
Doug's keal tests are the best part of the show
Forged in Fire!!!! AWESOME SHOW!!!! BRING IT BACK!!!!
10:00 In so glad you didn’t waste that opportunity - I swear both my brain and the song started at the exact same time! 🤣
My song used to be “Gimme Stitches” by the Foo’s when I worked in A&E 😂
Love the KEAL (Keep Everyone ALive) test
It's a test to see if it's a worthy weapon for Combat and keep anybody who weilds it alive long enough to fight another day
Thank you for reacting to how Lethal the Attacks actually are by the way Doc
I laughed so hard during this. My favorite video from you for now! Love the content Dr. Chris
I love this guys videos he teaches me stuff more than ever does school and so entertaining at the same time please make more of these videos
03:10 I’VE always said that!!😂😅
And the way the DR sheepishly laughs is KILLING ME!!😂
Very informative and intertaining. I watch Forged in Fire religiously, I smith, and it was great to hear another point of view. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! Not sure whether I will do another one since A&E copyrighted my video.
Question, Doc : what would actually be both the most painful and slowest deadly blow you could be inflicted with ? Feels like disembowelment would be easily at least in the Top3.
Amazing that a lot of people throughout history survived getting hit with these kinds of weapons
I can’t even imagine being a surgeon and having to work on battlefield injuries.
Loved it! Please do more forged in fire!!
I think that guy is having way too much fun doing it.
Yasss definitely review more Forged in Fire please! 🔥
I love this show, the history behind the blades, the judges, the contestants, it's just one of those shows that tickles that itch for education, competition and entertainment.
Doug Marcaida is a bladed weapons expert and a Kali martial artist, so he knows his way around several of history's nastiest weapons, as shown in this video.
And the executioner's sword is one of my favourite weapons to be shown on that show, mainly because it's my go to weapon on Vermintide 2 when playing as Kruber haha.
The thing about the Executioner Sword is that it doesn't have a distal taper, like most swords. A distal taper is essentially just a fancy word for the sword getting thinner towards the tip. Because the Executioner Sword doesn't have one, the blade's center of balance is put much further forward, which makes it behave much more like a cleaver, as described in the video.
It will kill that is his catch phrase one of my favorite shows as a history buff .
10:00 wasn’t expecting this lol
I'd be down for seeing more of those weapon evaluations.
"It will keel" legendary sentence from forged in fire
As a HEMA practitioner I'd love to see more of these types of videos! I do wish more realistic, not full body-full force blows were on display, but that's more a criticism of the source material.
We have to remember troops were wearing armour.
True, but I am sure that it was still pretty ugly on the battlefield.
Also, it varied greatly. Levied peasantry wore their clothes. High ranking knights and nobles had all the armor they could afford. Needless to say - so did the peasants.
@@ChrisRaynorMD Most would have died from blunt force trauma or infection if they survi Ed the battle. It was not till hundreds of years later that Florence Nightingale, more famous for her statistical work, than her role as the world's first professional Nurse showed that soldiers were more likely to have died from infections and unsanitary conditions than the battlefield itself.
The Battle of Taunton said to be the bloodiest battle in British medieval history was more a massacre than a battle, as most of the appalling injuries afflicted on the casualties, were those that were executed after they were chased down like rabbits, and never engaged in the battle itself.
So the series is actually misleading and does not really give a real picture of the nature of the Battlefield experience itself.
The lochaber axe was not even used to maximum efficiency. If you are an experienced user of an axe, usually as you swing it, your right hand (if you're right handed) slides down the haft toward the left hand, and away from the blade. That increases the energy and speed of the swing even as it guides the blade. The same technique is used swinging many two-handed, long hafted tools and weapons, where you want to deliver maximum force.
Such a great video,I love forged in fire and had seen these episodes before, but it was something extra and super interesting to hear your medical take on the weapons and injuries