WTF are Backup Iron Sights For?
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2024
- Do you need backup iron sights? Do you need a quick detach optic mount? Do you need to put a lot of effort into a video description nobody will read?
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The real reason to have a set of back up irons sights is to avoid having people tell you that you need a set back up iron sights.
Brilliant.
I may have to take this same philosophy with putting flashlights on my range toys. The sheer number of times I've had to tell people that I am not buying a surefire light for my 300 dollar 10.5 AR is ridiculous.
Facts, tired of justifying not running useless plastic flip ups
Then you pull out your backup gun 🙄
Well, I have seen optics damaged with one drop, a fall, bad bump. You should have some way to still use your weapon, should a disaster happen. My two cents
Socko says, "stop following me around the apartment complex like some fucking creep."
I was caught off guard when I saw this comment😅
vortex customer service would definitely still warranty your scope in a societal collapse
Their vortex nation thing isn’t just branding, it’s a post-apocalyptic promise
Great info have them on all my rifles
Same with Ruger. They will ship you mags for free during the apocalypse
Best warranty in the industry.
i seen you before. Never knew you was a hop fan
❤
They are for backing up your main sights. You should probably back up your main sights at least once a week, if not nightly. Its also a great idea to have an off-site backup of your sights incase your on-premises backups are destroyed in a fire or earthquake or something.
Sites 😂
Always have 3 copies of your sights
THIS!
A man of Risk Management culture I see
If You do those nightly backups will they eventually age out, Say in a month? Then what are you gonna do with all those backups? Daily, Weekly, Monthly...Quarterly, Semi Annual, and Annual. Note those Semi Annual can be tricky. They can go FULLY Semi Annual before you know it. Take precautions. Tornadoes are the worse. Things just fly everywhere in a short amount of time.
For what it’s worth… I’m an active duty SERE Specialist, I have read literally thousands of stories of military survival from across time and around the world, and I have never come across anyone whose ever said that quick-deploy backup sights were the thing that got them home. I have however interviewed two men who are very clear that tape switches on white lights got them shot at by being stuck in the on position, and one was hit.
Those pesky switches
The golden state killer shot a cop by aiming at his flashlight. Lights are ultra dangerous
I didn’t know that story, but if you do literally one force on force night courses, you will learn to be very judicious with white lite AND to train with mechanix gloves because flight gloves aren’t enough.
Oh, for fuck sake… I meant to say “quick deploy flip up sight”. Now I sound like an even more pretentious bro vet struggling for a crumb of relevancy. Woof.
I broke my ACOG on my Afghanistan deployment and had to use the backup sights for the duration. I wasn't in a fight or anything but I was glad they were there. I always use them because of this.
I wasn't a fan of backups until an unusual experience I had one range trip. I live in Missouri and that particular day it was in the 90s with high humidity. I got my rifle out of my air conditioned car after driving most of an hour and the exterior of my optic immediately fogged the way people's eyeglasses do in winter. I could wipe it off but it would promptly fog again, it took almost 15 minutes (in the sun) for the optics to become warm enough not to fog. I could see a cop who keeps his rifle in the trunk of a car having similar problems moving into a heated building in the winter. So I now I have offset irons that can't become obscured by condensation like that. Obviously where you live and how and when you use your gun will determine whether you EVER see that happen.
Yes. Same. Actually, my issue has been walking out of a 70F house into -10F to smoke coyotes harrassing the dog or chickens.
Anti fogging lens wipes are awesome for that
Never thought of that. Good point. I live near phoenix AZ and it’s deathly hot. The worst I have is sweat and sunscreen dripping on my optic
Definitely a problem in the south
Fogging is the reason I don't bother with optics on CCW's. It's already bad enough with my glasses, I'd rather not have to deal with it on my CCW as well. I live up by the river, lots of foggy mornings + hot humid air isn't particularly great for optics after leaving a 18c home.
I didn't hear the rock call no punch backs. So then I am returning immediate fire.
That's my policy for acorns
@@wishuhadmyname better to be safe, than sorry.
SUPPRESSING FIRE!!!!
to be fair, rocks speak in a hz range lower than our hearing range so it's kinda hard to hear them over video
"A very, very bad day that 99.999% of us will never have."
But it's best to prepare to be the 0.001%.
Yup serious tho. I have armor ,kit and a pvs 14. I definitely believe we should train and all that,but I've never understood going into debt for this stuff especially since we most likely will never use this for combat.
@@zacharyrollick6169 there are more than 37,000 deaths every year by car. That 0.001% won’t be firearms related.
Had a lot of optics fail on me in a previous occupation so now I have the constant fear of it happening on this side of the fence. I learned to keep backups on all my personal rifles that aren't bolt action safe queens.
imo classic red dot, holo sight users can have battery or emitter failures, otherwise use with etched reticles is marginal
I have a red dot on top of the ACOG, offset iron sights, an mounted bayonet, a holstered sidearm, an ankle gun, a fixed blade hunting knife, a folding knife, brass knuckles and a garroting wire. And if I’m doing more than just grocery shopping, I really get serious about equipping properly.
@@Floridaman855mans basically admitted to being a professional LARPer. When will the gun community get serious about preparedness? Smh
/s
It's all LARPing until it isn't'@@Reblwitoutacause
You fkn noob😂
@@welderdude1 whoosh
Pfft.. No underbarrel 12 gauge pump?
Offset secondary magnified optics are where it's really at. If you drop your gun and your lpvo breaks, you'll have a second lpvo at a 45 degree angle from the first. You could also put one on thenother side, in which case you have double the optic damage security.
I'm gonna go and do this
0:02 Chrisky lives on in the minds of the people
As well he should.
Free the mask!
Did he die or something?
@@Franz_Bootyhe just did a colab video on youtube like 8 days ago with grunt proof
And the trolls live in Chrisky's mind
@@Franz_Booty yeah it would be cool if he got invited to do a video by most of the guntubers like garand thumb admin results etc etc but only trench grenade did colabs with him and i dont think he said eny thing about chrisky after he got banned, i saw hop and brass facts mention chrisky on i live but again i never saw them mention him again after he got banned i guess they dont want the heat
Glad you made this point. Some kind of secondary sighting system of your choice, irons are just the lightest, cheapest ,and most out of the way generally.
So my vis laser peq15 counts?
You don’t have one.
Sir, you just called plastic (polymer, if you prefer) thingies "irons". :-)
@@HWG-wm8ld you'd be shocked what people have
@@randomnobodovsky3692you are aware that you can purchase backup sights made fully out of steel right?
Half the guys I meet that have back up irons sights
1 don’t know how to use them or
2 never zero them
@@Floridaman855 😂
What range do you zero iron sights?
@@Brimwaldwrong video bud.
@@Brimwald I can’t answer that. No matter what I say. It will be wrong😂
@@Brimwaldif you’re asking seriously, then 50 yards probably. There are other ranges you can zero at but 50 is like the pumpkin spice, ubiquitous zero distance for most 5.56 AR rifles.
If you’re trying to be funny I apologize for ruining the joke.
I too am a “torx in the pistol grip” guy. Your rationale for backup irons is essentially the same as mine. Having a set of already zeroed backups also speeds up the zeroing process when adding a new red dot or other non-magnified optic because you can just line the dot up with the irons to get pretty close and then fold them down to get a good unobstructed sight picture for the actual zeroing
I have my BUIS setup this exact way.
you forgot the most important reason, shooting canted from your 45° back up iron sights looks bad ass on instagram
Jokes aside would using iron sights with a red dot/holo at the 45° be viable? 😯
I keep a set of Troy M4 backups on my main rifle as I mainly keep an eotech on it, but if I decide to swap to my nightvision or thermal sight, all I have to do is zero them to the irons. And when I put my eotech back on, I can confirm my zero has not shifted without having to go in the back yard and fire a few shots. It's also nice to know you have a pretty much 100% reliable set of sights at all times, every optic can fail and it usually happens under unusual circumstances.
Our patrol rifles at my work have Comp M4 dots, with a set of fold-down backup irons. I've actually had a couple times where I pulled the rifle out of a vehicle and found that the RDS had a dead battery, but the other member hadn't noticed because they weren't checking it every shift like they're supposed to. Ultimately then, it's definitely a good thing that we have them, so that there are still usable sights when somebody isn't paying attention and that happens.
I broke an ACOG on my Afghanistan deployment. The rifle was leaning up against a wall and fell on the ACOG and must have messed up a lens inside or something because it was blurry and unfocused after that. I spent the rest of the deployment using my backup rear sight. I was a POG so it didn't matter but I still broke an ACOG with just day to day use. I will always have back up iron sights on any rifle I own because of this experience.
I really like that I can use the back up irons through an EOTECH or red dot without taking it off as well. Just in case the batteries die or something. They are always there if needed and the Magpul pros don't even take up that much space.
I and other Marines have knocked our rifles over many times with the ACOGs hitting concrete. Never seen one break, but it's a good reminder that anything CAN break, especially optics full of glass and moving parts. I still keep a set of backup irons on my current rifle with my ACOG and have been mocked for it. They weigh 1.5 ounces and you just never know what can happen.
@@jeffr5552 I'm a big EOTECH and magnifier guy. It's so easy to pop the sites and use them through the glass and great if the batteries die. Even if I had an ACOG I'd keep the irons no matter what people say. If you go Magpul pro they barely take up any space and it's go to know they are there. Two is one, one is none and so forth.
That's interesting. I watched an M4 fall off the back of a Stryker while doing 30mph, land on the ACOG, we stopped. Picked it up, and continued on to the range we were running. The soldier went to reconfirm his zero and there was no zero shift, and no damage aside from cosmetic. After that all I wanted was an ACOG. 🤣
Every time you post a video it’s great, unlike a lot of UA-camrs you don’t scream and yell. You more just talk and give a lot of good information on a given subject. Keep making vids.
Thanks for the vid. BUIS discussions are about the same level as 9mm vs .45 . Its a personal decision based on how you use it. BUT, as a retired military guy and with another 21 years as a DOD trainer, I always have them. I have seen things happen in bad places where a optic goes down or is damaged and your life may depend on them. I had a running argument with a squad leader for several years about them. Then he had a incident when deployed where his optic took a shrapnel hit and was put out of action and he had to do the walking dead type shooting down the barrel. After that he did a modified version where he sighted a set in then took the back sight off and kept in a pouch on plate carrier. I ran into him a few years later and he told me he had to give the BUIS to a private that somehow actually broke a ACOG (that's why mil stuff is tough, it has to be Pvt. Snuffy from Alabama tough) while on a long patrol. Just 2 times in 3 deployments shows it isn't common but when you need it you need it now. For most people who will never go to bad places or do bad things, maybe not needed. But if the collapse comes there wont be repairs or anymore available or made so I don't leave home without them😉
They are not an option so it’s not like 9vs45. Stop pretending to be someone else.
in cold weather lenses tend to get foggy especially when you are breathing heavily from exercise.
cant happen with ironsights.
back ups are always good to have
@@HWG-wm8ld Ok, usually I dont respond to accts with puzzle names. BUIS not being a option to use is not true for most of military units. Not positive on Marines policy but I saw them on lots. If yours didnt allow them, thats on your CO, his decision. So dont beleive me just google deployment pics, pick the theater. You will see lots of BUIS on military weapons especially the eotech or M688 red dots due to how the cold effected the batteries and zero shift issues. Less so on Acogs due to short eye relief so folks used different ways, keep rear sight in pouch on put in front of acog.
Like this one i just saw today.. westernrifleshooters.us/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/thumbnail_1710767828065blob.jpg
IMO, the troy folding iron sights are the actual primary sights. They're zeroed, pretty permanently attached, have worked forever, and will work no matter what... The red-dot and magnifier also on the rifle just make life easier and better, but they are just happy pluses.
One of my favorite uses of iron sights is to sight in a new optic. Just put the red dot/reticle at the top of the front post and like magic you are on paper on the first shot. This method is likely to require some follow up shots for some fine tuning.
I think I have that exact same wrench in my K2 grip for that exact reason for that exact scope mount lol.
Great minds, Blue.
What is the wrench?
Thank you for common frickin sense on this subject.
And added benefit you didn't mention is that if your red dot goes down, you can flip up the front sight only and use it to guestimate where your reticle would be. This can be quite effective.
You don't get to "guess" where your sight system is. I've heard this BS claim from people in the past. I swear, people in the modern gun community will do anything to avoid lining a post up inside a sight ring.
Twice during training I have had optics fail: BOTH were Trijicon i.e. name brand, top of the line so this isn't a budget issue. Once a nitrogen seal failed in the rain allowing water into an LPVO which fogged internally and required entire optic to be replaced and the second time the weather was just absolutely perfect for constant mist and no amount of wiping either lens allowed me to see anything. Both times I had backup irons on my rifles and proceeded without interruption. Only had to QR the optics off and flip up the backup iron sights. Backup iron sights are mandatory in my opinion. Only people who say otherwise train on indoor ranges or outside only when the sun is out and the weather is nice. Train in the rain, snow, humidity and brutal heat and you will absolutely add backup irons to your rifles.
Sure you did. You walked on the moon too.
With regards to your point about switching optics, if you have BUIS that are zeroed, as long as you can cowitness your irons through whatever red dot/holographic sight you put on the rifle, then you can easily zero the optic using the irons as a reference.
I have this conversation with friends every time one of us sets up a new rifle. I'm the only one of us with military experience and I'm sure that's the main driving factor but also my first real (expensive, to me) rifle scope fogged internally after about ten years of Western Oregon weather and my lack of consideration for temperature swings. I would bring it right inside from the cold so I am actually surprised how well it lasted. Given our rain, fog, mud, and generally short, brushy firing distances I will backup every scope with irons. Our weather alone can render a scope, and thereby the rifle it's mounted to, completely useless.
I remove my side rail, instant backup sights. Thanks AK.
AR fans will never be able to recover
Oh no no no AR-bros we got too cocky
yeah, but then you cant hit anything past 50.
AR owners on suicide watch 😮
What are sights for on an AK anyway?
The day i mag-dump a stone right in front of me:
"No punch back!"
~Talking Rock
I want to collab with hop not because he is cool.
But I really really really want to be friends with that cat. That cat just looks like we could be friends. I bet that cat would love to be my friend. Why wouldn’t that cat want to be my friend?
I think we could be friends.
Socko is friends with no one, and everyone.
He is a cat.
If you're a guy, owning one cat is cool, owning many is weird and. creepy. I talk to my dogs about this and they agree...
My cat army disagrees.
@@Coconutscott My dogs read your comment & told me they also agree, WOOF.
Hop is like 2 feet taller than you bro, I don't think a collab would be a good idea
Maybe people don’t actually train, or maybe it’s just my crappy eyesight, but the second it starts raining hard, that dot turns into a firework show all over that fancy wet glass and I at least need an iron front sight.
Same experience here.
Or fog can be an issue.
That hasn't happened to me, but I haven't been out shooting in a thunderstorm either. I've been out in light rain and it wasn't a problem. If you have a protective shell around the optic then it takes a real downpour to become an issue. Or if you have the type of cover that obscures your optic to people at a distance but you can still see through it (I forget what they are called, but I have them for multiple optics so they do not reflect). I really like the Romeo 8 for this reason, also comes with flip up covers.
You might have an astigmatism.
I’ve got an Eotech, and an open emitter type on the pistol. Rain drops cause weird reflections and obscure the dot. Looking like a light show.@@huwhitecavebeast1972
So many people have no idea how their rifle functions in the rain
They look cool because a naked top rail with just a optic look weird
My primary reason for running BUIS is due to weather. We have pretty severe winters where I live and humid summers which results in a lot of fogging and freezing issues for lenses. Any time I come in from shooting in the winter my optics are completely useless for 10-30+ minutes depending on how cold they got, and in the summer when I go outside, they are fogged over for about 1-5 minutes depending on how much hotter it is outside, and the humidity. The Elcan has been the worst offender so far for this. For those reasons I've started adding more offset irons to any scoped set up I have and appreciate the unity fast riser for my red dots even more sense I can use the irons underneath the optic. It hasn't caused me any real life issues so far as I haven't had to use a firearm in self defense yet, but in a TEOTWAWKI, SHTF, Red Dawn, and etc situation I want to have optics that will work regardless of the weather I'm in.
Not trying to be funny, but I'm really interested as to what state this is.
@@Mmmmbbbbaaaaakkkuuu I live in MN but it seems to affect most people in Great Lake states that I know that shoot outside in bad weather, not just mild sunny days. Probably since we tend to have a lot more water bodies than other states. My family range has multiple ponds on and near it so it's probably exaggerated to me specifically too. Our initial berm that started the range is next to a pond and every 3-5 years gets completely submerged in flood water.
Oh man, that’s wild! I thought it was bad here in central Florida
@@Mmmmbbbbaaaaakkkuuu I wouldn't be surprised if they had the same issues minus the freezing over
I don’t typically run backup irons.
I’m not dead yet but if Reddit is correct I’m sure it’s just a matter of time. Y’all pray for me
I will always have irons and a side arm. Also a fan of QD for slings, optics, suppressors, lights, and bipods.
Yeah QD is good for everything.
@Floridaman855 Thanks for the report. Should have backups for your backups if possible
@Floridaman855 Yeah, 550 is a back up for lots of things. Zip ties too
I'm going to save this video for the next time someone gives me shit on Reddit for having backup sights with a non-QD mount. It makes no sense to me to not have backup sights if you can fit them. I can remove my optic in under a minute, let's all hope I don't get struck by lightning while removing it.
I use back up iron sights even with my ACOG. I keep the front post up since I can use it as a reference through the ACOG (how left or right I am looking through it) and it doesn't get in the way. On shorter handguards (I'm using a 15" free float MLOK one), I can see getting rid of them to make room. Just use your head, make a decision, and move on.
It's one of those "better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it" type of things
"As it calls no punch backs". 😂 slid that in there eh? 🤘
As an Ex-LEO a lot of us liked the 45 degree sights because the most common issue the we saw was the rifle being stored inside a patrol vehicle with the AC cranked!! When you got out and grabbed the rifle in a humid summer night the rifle would get quickly become wet with condensation. and you just could not see through the scope. Anti fog helped but not always enough. the option to have something (when you pointed the gun and saw only grey wall nothingness) made sense.
It’s a useful parallax checker (when viewing magnification for making precise shots),
and a great point shooting reference (the similar way CQB was done with irons Front sight post to center mass).
It also conveniently saves your zero and transfers that zero to other optics using a boresighting laser.
It’s also rain proof just in case if the optic cannot handle the rain.
that hockey mask reference refering to the most based guntuber ever mr risky chrisky
Cause I went out shooting with family and didn't realize the red dot was left on so I pulled out the allen wrench took it off and flipped up the sights minimal delay and back to having fun.
Gotta love Hop with the step dad to a ginger bedside manner.
Step dad to a ginger. Noted.
Yea u got backup iron sights Hop, but do u got the ability to eat anything spicier than a jalapeño without immediately combusting?
They are there for when your primary optic gets shot off the top of your rifle like my ACOG did in Fallujah.
That video description was well thought out. I appreciate the effort. Also, excellent cat footage. It's the only thing that keeps me watching to the end.
I've been thinking the same thing, just about WMLs...
I also wanted to say that I read the video description and that 'you have hurt me, today'.
The crisky call-out was great
When I stopped shooting for distance...(coyote etc.) I ditched optics. Yes I have some dots on a couple of platforms. But for the most part I swing open sights, just less hassle. Training is everything.
Two weeks after getting back from Iraq they sent us to the field. My CCO took a poo poo and I am glad my irons were there. Even more so it wasn’t down range. All it takes is a battery.. but that thing was literally illuminated one second and gone the next.
☁️ ☁️ ⛅
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That's lovely, Mabs.
thanks mabs!
@@Hoplopfheilgm ty
@@natsuccubus ty gm
Here is what I have to say about BUIS… which happens to be the exact same thing I have to say about backup parachutes…
“If your primary system fails, there’s no need to rush, you have the rest of your life to figure it out.”
I had to use a reserve parachute 5 times and felt the need to rush every time.
@@tonyc223 of that I have zero doubts haha
5 times? Learn how to pack your chute
@@HWG-wm8ldgood point…
Im glad to see the comments about red dots…easy to have both front and rear backup sights while the dot is on the rail. They can be co-witnessed with the dot, and used through a non-functioning dot…or even with a functioning dot as I think it makes it a bit easier to know youve really got everything lined up.
I have so many of those Aero Precision torx drivers lol. I didn't know they were T15, so that's good info.
I had a defective ACOG. Prism broke loose in middle of the range day, QD removed the ACOG and flipped up those Magpul steel backups.
That is rare to hear.
@@socaljarhead7670 my luck. After about a month after I got it. Trijicon said the “internal UV proof glue was defective” causing the prism to break loose. I had been chasing slight windage elevation for weeks and suspected something was off, but it outright breaking sealed the deal for me
Back up irons are so people don't ask where your buis are when you post your gun on IG.
As a guntuber, your reasoning of having backup sights are exactly my own. I will co witness many different optics and zero them to the point of aim of the sights. Gets the optic quite close to zero.
I literally have to pull my Sig MSR off for a CV Life JackelHowl red dot for a review.
I run canted flip up irons and they work very well!
There was just this weird moment in the 2A community, I think it was when the WWSD Project was being shilled, when every little thing was turned into a wedge issue that would get you killed on the battlefield. Forward assist, Back up iron sights, having a retractable stock, etc. etc. it was all a life of death choice and you better pick the edgy anadromous choice or we're gonna sperg.
At the same time we were seeing Kyle Rittenhouse deploy a forward assist to save is life in real time. Truly wild times. Some serious mass psychosis over dumb shit.
Like a famous guntuber (Mrgunsngear) says, the forward assist makes me happy. I like having it just incase, but I have almost zero chance I will ever need to use it. I have BUIS on quite a few guns because they add almost no weight to the rifle.
Hey Dude, gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t know this, but “sperg” is a slur towards people on the autism spectrum that originated in INCEL and white supremacist circles. If we want to fight the stigmas about gun owners, we should probably not demean people.
"The WWSD and it's consequences have been a disaster for the firearms community."
My favorite (most hated) part of the WWSD saga was we already knew what he would do. He did it at KAC FFS
That's funny, because when I first got into ARs long ago, *not* having irons would get you kilt in da street.
I once heard someone say, “in case I get EMP’d” 😂 They argued that’s why they needed an ACOG too. I am pretty sure the wife isn’t buying that story.
I am also pretty sure you would have bigger issues than your sight
If you do get EMP'ed, you want to have a response option. It's no fun having a rifle that doesn't work. Unless you want to go all Walking Dead and have rifles with no sights on them.
Pretty sure marketing teams have the human brain clocked.
Exactly.
@@jaycee30865 We do. Otherwise we wouldn’t be sending you ads for shit you don’t need on Facebook.
But seriously we do. I participated in a study in college that tracked eye movement when grocery shopping to see if people looked directly at the displays, the products, or took the time to read about the deals/specials.
@@woodsghost9088man that show sucked
the small TQ 15 bit in the grip is a great idea! Thanks...
Thank you for what you do. I appreciate your videos.
I only have irons. Eventually I'll get an optic, but I want to get familiar with my rifle and shooting with irons.
And, because of Hop and nobody else, I'll end up with an LPVO.
Bro, I fight this exact fight once a week on Reddit.
Warriors of Reddit. Respect.
I'm sorta serious. Lots of ignorance out there.
@@woodsghost9088 Yeah, it’s a hive mind. The cringiest posts are titled “What do WE think about xx…?”
@@GrumpMaster oh my word. Yes.
Im glad I got banned off of reddit
@@orpheusepiphanes2797 not much of a punishment. But if they reinstate you, it allows you to get back to expanding young minds with actual diversity of thought.
I didn't put BUIS on everything until my short time in the army. I had Trigicon, Aimpoit, Eotech optics at some point fail on me or self delete zero. In the occupational use of the rifle living with you it just happens at some point and is natural. I ended up popping up my irons a lot unfortunately. Quickly learned that yes I am adding extra weight on the rifle but for very good reason. There was a hand full of times that I would just toss the optic in the assault pack till the problem could be addressed or I could get a new optic. It is what it is one is none two is one is a true statement. I learned the hard way.
Well said and much appreciated.
Also a bonus of irons that are "permanently" on a gun ; if you're swapping unmagnified optics around, you can actually zero them using your irons (assuming the irons are zeroed). Just flip up the sights, and adjust the dot so that it aligns with your point of aim when looking through the irons.
Likely doesn't work for 1x prism sights.
Also, there's some discussion of zero shift between aiming with the irons through the red dot glass, and aiming with the irons without the red dot glass. Since the red dot can/does shift the image of the front sight in space.
@@roflchopter11 if your red dot was made in the last 10 years you won't have an issue. Parallax shift from even lower 1/3 co-witness would be extremely small, and basically completely unnoticeable if it's there at all. Absolute co-witness would have zero difference.
And technically 1x prism optics *are* magnified. They aren't truly "1x".
Red dots don't maintain zero on the hand guard buts BUIS totally do.
Lol ikr
And lasers totally do, too.
@@roflchopter11 well we do accept that they don't, also a reason people run RIS II rails
I have the Magpul MBUS Pro (offset) iron sights, because I have to slide my prism optic all the way to the back. They are tilted at a 45 degree angle. I even have to put the rear sight ahead of the ejection port. Not the ideal position for them, but they are just an emergency back up only, as my scope has an etched reticle and my light has a green laser.
Hop's love for cats keeps me subscribed, the gun stuff is cool too.
good info
Just keep a holosun on an ADM mount in your back pocket lol
Not unheard of
Part of my routine when deploying with my DM gun is to open the offset sights and keep them open until I put the rifle back in its case. In the unlikely event that the LPVO goes down, the backup sights are already up. Similarly, I like running a fixed front sight on my shorter rifles, which tend to have red dots or holographic sights. While this only cuts down the time needed to open the backup sights by roughly 50%, I generally use a folding rear sight in case that gun happens to have a magnifier.
I have troy flip irons, same mount with a Primary arms 1-6 and the same torx wrench in the grip. My take on backup irons is similar to yours. Good video.
SBA5 Vs SBA4 Vs SBA3 video when?
Why on earth would that be a video 😂
@@garthbass5327 he has a 3 year old video comparing the SBA3 Vs. SBA4, if you knew Hop lore at ALL
SBA1488 video wen
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Hot take. Back up sights are 2012.
Most reddots today will never fail with maintenance and care.
In the event that my red dot fails, I'll have another red in my bag to slap on the gun.
...No light, cracked glass, moisture in glass, etc tube can still be used to point shoot in a pinch, or whatever the larp calls for...
No.
I've had optics fog up. So switched to irons to make shots.
I've had optics coated in rain, snow, or ice. Had to switch to irons to make shots.
My recommendation is a 45 offset or run the optics high enough you can see the irons underneath. When I've had to transition, it's had to be fast.
I run back ups because I have ADD and very frequently sell the optic on my gun to try a new one. So it's nice to have the ability to still use the rifle if I wanted or had to.
I do agree with the use of back up sights you described
Kid named Risky Chrisky reference
O I miss Risky .
Great vid. Just an announcement of things you should think about that a lot people probably are not thinking about. I have been on the fence about whether or not I want them on a new build and this has given me a little more to consider.
My favorite upper is the Colt 6943 for many reasons: one is the built in flip up front sight. You can use the tube of a T1 as a psuedo rear sight and it works out to 75 pretty accurately.
I use irons to check my POSP still shoots within the right zip-code range after removing and installing. Thanks AK, for being very cool and hecking valid weapons platform.
"hecking"
Def an AK user
I miss risky
I run the magpul mbus pros and I absolutely love them! They are a little pricey but worth it imo!
I had a cheap optic mount fall off my cheap rifle in the middle of a stage at a match. I just popped up the flip up rear (front was fixed) and finished the stage. Made me look like a boss.
they're for boomers
(I'm not watching the video)
Ok flat ranger
First rifle I ever built I put a PA 4x prism and got griffin armament 45 degree iron sights. They make snap shooting at closer targets with the 45 degree angle so much fun
My 60 year old Bushnell Banner 3x9 has been through heat, cold, humidity, and rapid changes in between. It has never failed me. Not to mention 7mm Remington Magnum recoil.
I watch your videos for the sarcasm which I find hilarious. The information is good too
I was a peace officer for 32 years and a LE firearms instructor for many years. I carried a patrol rifle with an Aimpoint and back-up sights. For those who depend on a rifle to defend others or oneself, it is highly required that an operator know how to shoot accurately with iron sights. Peace officers and soldiers do not have the luxury to shoot without sights. For UA-cam gun Gurus and sports enthusiasts, they can elect to call time-out and start over.
I’ve taken classes with Northern Red and those dudes and their circle of contacts probably have hundreds of years of downrange experience during GWOT, collectively. They said that they hadn’t heard of a single instance where anyone had to use their BUIS. Always shook my head when I saw dudes compromising their primary optic setup to accommodate their backup.
Commenting before watching so I hope you do this one, but for me the most important reason is in case mud, blood, vomit, or damage makes it impossible to see through your optic. Modern optics are tough and have great battery life so it's unlikely that anything other than a really hard impact could take them down. but it doesn't take much schmutz to make it impossible to see through a sight. That's also why I prefer offset irons over QD mounts.
In that case you can wipe it off.
I appreciate your old model SOG pliers, underrated product, been carrying mine for years.
Back up sights are great. I slipped and fell on a hunting trip once and broke my scope on a rock. The rifle it was on didn’t have iron sights so let just say hunting was over
"If you've got a budget LPVO in a spindly Aero Precision mount"
Hop described my setup exactly.
Good info, thanks
A real life situation I see them coming in handy is if you are hunting and your optic goes down, say you don’t have a battery but you want to continue the hunt. Then flip them up and you can stay in the wilderness instead of having to return.
You answered your own topic in the first 30 seconds. Love Chrisky
My situation: Im not a gun "collector". I own two rifles that Im happy with and Im not particularly interested in getting more *at this time*. I scratch my "variety" itch a different way that you'll see below.
Aside from whatever worst case scenario I/we can imagine happening...the other reason I have irons on my guns is that when I go train I'll run all of my drills with my optics and then pop them off the QDs and spend a little time on the irons too.
If Im playing around with a new optic wether I bot it, traded for it or it was lent to me I'll pop that on and play around with it too before putting my primary optic back on.
So...aside from the "emergency" use case, the quality of life use case shouldnt be ignored.
Not every gun *needs* irons, QDs etc but the one(s) youre using a lot wether its for work or play probably should