The physical/special split was beneficial to most pokemon, especially those that had typings that didn't match their preferred stats or had a physical and a special typing. Overall I'd say most pokemon that were a bit 'meh' in their release generation (due to stats, moves, or location found) did better later on.
@@jcohasset23 Yeah, I was just saying because Azumarill's STAB bonus and Huge Power were incompatible. So that was a big Gen 4+ boost. And then like EmperorCubone said, the Fairy-Type addition was a big Gen 6+ boost. And then access to Liquidation was a HUGE Gen 7+ boost! (Though I would still say Gen 6 was best because Azurill before Gym 1-meaning 3 perfect IVs-and super-effectiveness against Rock & Fighting Gyms and Fire & Dragon E4 Members without accounting for neutral-effectiveness or coverage moves)
It’s incredible how much better it got over the generations since Gen 2. Gen 3 gave it huge power, Gen 4 gave it physical water moves, and Gen 6 gave it the amazing fairy typing
I always took it as head cannon, that if a new pokemon is rare or hard to get in its premier region, that meant it was't its home or native region. I always felt the home region was a region where you could easily find a pokemon, or was tied into the world more thoroughly. Like how you can find Rotom in the wild in Paldea, but only have gift or event rotoms in like Sinnoh. The first time I thought this was with Pinsir and Scyther, who could only be found in a special Zoo like Safari area, but you could catch them in the while the next region over in Johto and other regions.
That's a good point; most Safari Zone Pokemon are probably imported from other places, even if that's just the first time we saw them, it doesn't make them "From" that region...
Porygon is obtainable very quickly in Platinum. Yes, it's also in the trophy garden, but, that's after the National Dex & Pokémon Radar are obtained in DPPt/ BDSP. As soon as you reach Veilstone, you can get it in the house behind the Pokémon Center, which makes it a free Porygon. You don't need the National Dex or Radar to get one. I get WHY you mentioned the trophy garden, but, NOT the Free one in Veilstone City before you get the National Dex because it wasn't a gift in DP/BDSP.
That Definitely makes it better, and easier to gain access to its shiny new evolution! But I stand by that even a Post-Game Trophy Garden is STILL more worth it than getting 9999 coins at the Game Corner!
@@emperorcubone I didn't say it wasn't better than the game corner, I just meant that the free one in Platinum cancels out the Trophy Garden Porygon. Also, there's RNG involved that determines IF Porygon is in the Trophy Garden. Luckily you can manipulate it if you save & reload before talking to Mr. Backlot. Now, in D/P, it's the ONLY way to obtain Porygon besides Pal Park. While BDSP has Legends Arceus for the easiest & quickest method. Yes, it's more steps, but, at least they are minimum Level 20 in Distortions. Also, you don't need to play until the Terarium in Scarlet/ Violet. So, all the Sinnoh Games can get Porygon in special ways. D/P- Trophy Garden Platinum- Veilstone or Garden Remakes- Garden (Radar) or Move from PLA PLA- Distortions
my winner is Inkay. I had one in my team in ultra sun and omg it and specifically it's (back then) signature move topsy-turvy is insane that gen -- it inverts the targets stat changes which is insanely useful when the entire game's special thing is that you fight a bunch of boss pokemon who boost their stats at the start of the battle which you can then immediatly invert so that +1 to all stats is now a -1. And you can get it literally on route 1 (which is great bc early on everyone still uses growl and such and inkay's ability turns all those -1 to attack into +1) and they even gave topsy-turvy an accuracy boost that gen to now always hit. Inkay is good in gen 6 already but in gen 7? so so so good i love this little squid so much
Oh wow; I never even thought of using that against the Totem Pokemon but that would be great! Also some Z-Moves can cause stat boosts so it'd be handy there too!
You made a interesting point about how late we get the legends so they are harder to use which I totally agree with. It’s one of the reasons I like Colosseum since you can use all the beasts throughout the story and ORAS cause you get a lati twin so easily. Lucario was my instant first thought because I always used one during my black and white 2 play throughs and never really used Lucario in Sinnoh. Most I ever used one in Sinnoh was in Arceaus.
It's just so hard to justify grinding the game to a halt just to hatch an egg and raise it up to the mid-40's or 50's to catch up to the rest of the team. It works early on but past the fourth gym it's more of a chore! (But yes, I greatly enjoyed the Lati@s gift in ORAS!)
@@emperorcubone you know sometimes i question if Riolu and Lucario should be considered "Sinnoh" pokemon since you can't actually capture it in the sinnoh games, you can only get it from the egg in those games, even the remakes are the same in that regard. Sure Legends arceus allowed it, but I look at that title as more of a spin-off personally. That said, I do gotta say that while having the power to catch riolu early in the unova sequels is cool, it being effective by the first gym is subjective since it doesn't get Force Palm until level 15 (if you actually raise any of your pokemon to this level, Cheren shouldn't be able to touch you since his highest is lvl 11), only knowing Counter at level 8 until then, which is kind of risky to run given Riolu is a friendship evo pokemon and you definitely don't want it to faint, but Counter requires you to take hits and survive to do damage back. Though getting it to evolve before Roxie and beyond isn't a problem, and it can put in work for the rest of the region sure, it's just that first bit I would disagree unless you don't care for excess grinding to take down cheren.
6:53 yeah this is why I love my lil spark, I always knew Rotom had potential, back when I had pearl, I looked at Rotom and knew that it would be big one day, and now we can even take selfies with him
@@emperorcubone yeah, I was initially going for a munchlax, but thought the playthrough might be more interesting partnering with overlooked 'mons. It was fun trying to make Mothim and Rampardos work despite their flaws.
In Gen 7 I had a really fun strategy for a Gen 1 Pokemon that wasn’t made possible until Gen 5 (I only ever used the strategy in Alola because I didn’t think of it until then, and Gen 8 onward I started restricting my teams to Pokemon that I’ve never used before, so I was trying new things instead of relying on old tactics). I would catch a Magnemite with Sturdy, give it an Eviolite, keep it in its middle stage, and teach it Double Team and a status inflicting move like Discharge or Tri Attack
I would argue the Ralts line in X and Y is a big improvement. The physical/special split, having dual types, having a mega Gardevoir, getting them relatively early and TM's not being one time use. The last being a big issue with Hoenn games that wasn't rectified until the remakes. You basically had to use Thunderbolt, Shock Wave, or Shadow Ball. Otherwise it was all Psychic damage. Even then, Shadow Ball was physical in Gen 3.
The point you brought up about legends and how late they are is actually my biggest gripe with how they are these days. Like, yeah, they shouldn't be early game, but with only a few exceptions I think it would be perfectly acceptable to allow explorative players the opportunity to find most legendary Pokemon at the level a starter might be fully evolved just for the sake of letting us actually use them. I would personally be so much more invested in basically all of them if this was an option.
Honestly surprised you didn't bring up one of the Kanto mons living in Johto Shoutout to the early Poliwag and Gastly you can get before the first gym, they're super useful to have when the game is just beginning I wanna mention Zubat too as well, since the addition of Crobat made for a great mainstay
Admittedly, I did pick up Riolu as my 2nd Pokémon in my 1st Black 2 playthru. I evolved it into Lucario before the 1st Gym. 😂 For my 1st time using a Lucario, I loved it!
Whenever I play through a Pokémon game, I tend to just use Pokémon from the region the game is based in. However the only time I didn’t do this is when in my first play through of Violet when I got a shiny male Ralts very early in the game and kept him on my team throughout. Gallade is just a very great Pokémon in general so of course he excels well in Paldea. Anyways great video as always Emperor Cubone✨
2:11 I honestly have a soft spot for Riley’s riolu egg since I ended up getting a full odds shiny from it. But being able to catch one early in game is definitely superior than hatching one from an egg.
I did a Steel monotype run for White 2 recently, so I picked up and used Riolu as soon as I possibly could. Lucario did me really well throughout the run.
Good video. I also have a suggestion for another Pokemon that might be better outside of its home Region. This is gonna sound crazy but I think Axew and its line is one of them and it's the gen after it comes out. Now this sounds crazy because it gains 1 whole weakness but I think the upsides outweigh that. You can get it very early in the game in the connecting cave a little bit before the first gym (meaning it's good against the gym leader's ace who is part dragon) and much earlier to get from its Gen 5 self where you needed to go out of your way to get it in a cave that you needed surf to get to. Axew's also a mono-type dragon so that makes him good against two of the other Kalos gym leaders and good against 3 (Rock because of the part dragon typing, elec, and grass) of the elite 4 late-game (Fire, Water, and Dragon). In contrast, in Unova, it's good against 1 to 3 gym leaders or elite 4 (B2W2 is 3 since it's water and dragon gyms and champ fight) depending on the game.
Hmm, I've never actually used one in Kalos because I had just done so in Unova, but I could see that being the case! Haxorus can also get the Poison Jab TM to deal with Fairies as well; I might have to try Axew next time I play X and Y!
Being able to get a Dratini in Goldenrod is pretty neat, too. Not as expensive as Porygon so you don't spend as much time at the Game Corner. Much better than waiting until you get to Blackthorn, and you can even do what Lance did and have multiple Dragonite's on your team.
Well in HGSS Voltorb Flip is somewhat a pain in the a$$ to play for those games. So you may have to grind it out depending on how good you play Voltorb Flip. That’s compared to waiting for Claire’s Gym to get a Dratini since the gift one you get can have Extreme Speed if you answer the questions with the right answers, Also you might not get Dragonite before the post game, if you don’t level grind it.
@@FireheartSamurai Voltorb Flip can definitely be very frustrating, but even I got really good at it and I never even considered myself okay at 'Minesweeper'. I remember just spending time there to get coins to buy TMs and it did feel like a nice break from the main game (since I played Crystal several times as a kid). It was nice having a dragon type so early, too. Being stuck with so few options early in the game was boring. No need to have fully evolved Pokemon by the time you get to the league; I always used Togetic (since Togepi is my favourite Pokemon) and it was usually in the mid-40s when I got to the league.
@@mogamatsedickpetersen8620 Oh I see. At least there’s tutorials online for playing Voltorb Flip tho. Also for me I just level grind whenever I play a Pokémon game if I need to. But for HGSS I had to just to be safe & it didn’t hurt my team 1 bit for challenging the Elite 4 for the game.
@@FireheartSamurai Wish I knew then hehe. I hard to learn the hard way 🙃 HGSS was at least good for level grinding. Not like SwSh 😅 Things really changed when I got a 3DS and bred different Pokemon that I traded to my SS from my HG game. So many moveset possibilities. So many team compositions 😊
@@mogamatsedickpetersen8620 Oh I see. Yeah it’s true that level grinding is different in HGSS compared to SwSh. But granted SwSh have exp candies to make level grinding less of an issue tho.
First one to come to mind is marill line being a strong physical water fairy type in later gens. It's first gen no ability and low stats. Later on early evolution with huge power. Fix up the ivs and boom super mon
@@emperorcubone yeah I never got why mons in their own region come later. Would have been good to switch it and poli line to explain why lyra gets one early in the remakes as well. Though a remake now it would be even more insane as an early Mon with a low evolution level for the first gyms
I was watching a playthrough of either Black 2 or White 2 when I started playing Black 2 myself and when I saw them almost immediately finding a Riolu at the farm I absolutely had to get one too. Unfortunately in my case I was searching for like three hours before I finally found one... 😅
XY feels like the first game where Flareon is actually a viable option. it actually learns flare blitz, and at level 45 which is kinda late but still workable. Especially conaieerinf xy has one of the highest level curves in the main story.
I used golurk in x and y and outside of completely walling korrina, it’s just a solid Pokemon to use throughout the game where in unova it was only obtainable right near the end of both games
I’d probably say Azurill, but that’s mostly because sapphire was my first Pokémon game and I didn’t know how breeding worked at all so any game I could catch it in (although I found it’s much better to just catch a Marill bc of that darn friendship evolution lol)
For those who don't do Type Shares, about two thirds of them would refuse to use Pancham in X and Y because Chesnaught is a Fighting Type and Greninja is a Dark Type. People are more likely to use it in Sword and Shield including myself.
they should invest in an arcade type thing over the gambling and bring back prize one of a kind mons like porygon. That makes these mons so much more important.
@@emperorcubone honestly I think it was the fact that both of them were available earlier and had good matchups with gyms/trials/etc and had a different set of Pokemon around them when it comes to what else you could use in the region. Like why use Lucario in sinnoh when Infernape was better and usually already on the team due to the lack of fire types? Or why use Hawlucha when you’re given a mega Lucario a little bit later? Just some of the reasons besides the ones you mentioned that some Pokemon just get shafted in their home region but shine in later ones
It doesn't really fit the theme for this video, but scyther was my catching mon in sword and shield, swords dance, false swipe, quick attack, decently fast, yes its a dlc mon, but if you have the dlc you can get it pretty much immediately
Surprised not to see Geodude and the Johto region. You could practically solo everything up to Pryce and Chuck, and even then they’re only a few exceptions.
Definitely useful! Although Geodude was far from helpless in Kanto, being found at Mt. Moon before the Electric Gym, so it could still contribute as your most likely counter! Not to mention the Ghost types not Levitating and being weak to Ground...
I still have a hard time believing that Slugma and Skarmory came from Gen 2. I grew up with ruby/sapphire so I just always thought they were Gen 3. You don’t even see a Slugma in Johto at all! Unless you count that egg gift in heart gold / soul silver
New Pokemon introduced in a generation: A 5% Encounter at a certain time of day way late into the game with a tedious evolution gimmick That Pokemon in the next gen games: 25% encounter in the first routes and the evolution method is simplified
Im gonna vouch for my homie magnezone Gen 4 really was tough with the old sturdy ability system, but especially later generations with more poison (alola) and fairy (kalos) that steel resists made it a titan I had my magnezone “Chromedome” steamroll through Pokemon Moon, and both Sturdy and Volt Switch allow me to pivot around unfavorable ground types
My pick is Tyranitar. How many Pokémon in their debut games are unavailable until you collect 16 gym badges? How “fun” was leveling up back in Gold & Silver? It’s level 15/20 when you catch Larvitar & you got to get it up to level 55. Bonus points for the physical/special split allowing it to properly use its STAB dark-type moves & an ability that controls the weather (increasing its special defense), I don’t remember when I first got a Tyranitar but I know it wasn’t Gold & Silver.
Yeah, I think most pseudo-legendary Pokemon could go here; like was it really the best to get a Beldum once you beat the game? Or would halfway like in Alola be better? Or even potentially sooner like the Indigo Disk!
I used Lucario for the first and only time in White 2. In Diamond I never even knew where to get a Lucario, as the Iron Island is completely optional, which is wild, given that Lucario is somewhat of a mascot for the series even starring it's own movie... And I tend to forget that Hawlucha is a Gen 6 Pokemon. Not only is the availability in USUM much better, it also fits so much better into Alolas whole theme. Same for Skarmory, which was not only very late and rare in Gen2, but also version exclusive. But I wanna know if really someone ever gambled for Porygon? Didn't we all missigno nuggets to sell and simply bought the coins? Which tbf is still a ridiculously long way for a mediocre Pokemon
I think alot of generation 5 pokemon fit better in X/Y maybe its beacuse there were so many of them to be found in X/Y and I also thought some were from generation 6 like bisharp and woobat and shelmet. I feel like all of them make sense with the kalos themes and fit naturally in the areas they were in like the yellow areas that were in the rain and the caves.
I like to think that some Pokemon originate from regions outside of the region they are introduced in I.E. Kanto Safari Zone exclusive Pokemon are likely not originally from Kanto, Pinsir might have originated in Sinnoh or Alola Eevee was a gift Pokemon until B2W2 so it might have originated from Unova or Galar
True! It's pretty much confirmed when they said Yungoos was imported to Alola; even though that's their "home" to us because we saw them there first they might actually be from Paldea?
That could be a cool vid if you haven’t yet. Pokémon commonly mistaken to be apart of another region. I used to think Togepi, Marill, and Snubbull were gen 1, skarmory and Slugma as gen 3 and so on.
You know, Lucario is a great Pokemon, and Riolu is huge for the first Gym in BW2. That is, if it actually learnt any Fighting-Type moves by that point. Unfortunately, as promising as it seems, the only Fighting move you'll get before the Level Cap is Counter at Level 6. Unless you powerlevel to 15 for Force Palm, but at that point, you didn't need Riolu specifically.
@@emperorcubone It definitely applies to Slugma, but not Natu oddly enough. The first time I saw Natu and Xatu was in HGSS, so I think that just helped me associate them with Johto
*LOWER-tier still seems a bit overlooked to me, but I don't do competitive so what do I know? Fun fact; Durant IS indeed the only Pokemon that Doesn't come up when you search its name, showing you the basketball player instead!
Geodude was so much better in Johto than Kanto. It can pretty much solo through Morty fight (in remakes they have levitate but in Gen 2 weak to ground as well).
Totally understandable! I always wonder how often that happens today with newcomers to the series; like if they only started with Sword and Shield do they think Crabrawler is a Gen 9 Pokemon because it wasn't in Gen 8?
i used to think a lot of gen 2-4 pokemon were from gens 5-6 because before playing any games the first seasons of the anime i saw were kanto, unova, and kalos lol
I’ve enjoyed wrestling since I was a kid, a bit more back then, but I still don’t really care for Hawlucha. I think it’s a design thing. I also never really loved Lucario, again, I think it’s a design thing but they’re just not for me I guess lol
Spearow is the best Pokémon in the Jhoto games, with Abra being a close second. Houndour is exclusive to the postgame until Platinum. Roselia is core to a Sinnoh play through. I get why you wouldn’t count Pokémon that gain evolutions in later generations, but I do think Roselia can hold its own, even before it evolves in Sinnoh, while it’s not given a second thought in Hoenn, due to better options.
I beg to differ. My Quagsire absolutely trashes Lance's Dragonites with Ice Punch and dealt with Charizard and Aerodactyl with Surf. The only thing it deals normal damage is Gyarados.
Azumarill. The physical/special split did WONDERS for my baby.
For sure! Not to mention the Fairy type!
The physical/special split was beneficial to most pokemon, especially those that had typings that didn't match their preferred stats or had a physical and a special typing. Overall I'd say most pokemon that were a bit 'meh' in their release generation (due to stats, moves, or location found) did better later on.
@@jcohasset23 Yeah, I was just saying because Azumarill's STAB bonus and Huge Power were incompatible. So that was a big Gen 4+ boost.
And then like EmperorCubone said, the Fairy-Type addition was a big Gen 6+ boost.
And then access to Liquidation was a HUGE Gen 7+ boost!
(Though I would still say Gen 6 was best because Azurill before Gym 1-meaning 3 perfect IVs-and super-effectiveness against Rock & Fighting Gyms and Fire & Dragon E4 Members without accounting for neutral-effectiveness or coverage moves)
It’s incredible how much better it got over the generations since Gen 2. Gen 3 gave it huge power, Gen 4 gave it physical water moves, and Gen 6 gave it the amazing fairy typing
I always took it as head cannon, that if a new pokemon is rare or hard to get in its premier region, that meant it was't its home or native region. I always felt the home region was a region where you could easily find a pokemon, or was tied into the world more thoroughly. Like how you can find Rotom in the wild in Paldea, but only have gift or event rotoms in like Sinnoh. The first time I thought this was with Pinsir and Scyther, who could only be found in a special Zoo like Safari area, but you could catch them in the while the next region over in Johto and other regions.
That's a good point; most Safari Zone Pokemon are probably imported from other places, even if that's just the first time we saw them, it doesn't make them "From" that region...
Porygon is obtainable very quickly in Platinum. Yes, it's also in the trophy garden, but, that's after the National Dex & Pokémon Radar are obtained in DPPt/ BDSP. As soon as you reach Veilstone, you can get it in the house behind the Pokémon Center, which makes it a free Porygon. You don't need the National Dex or Radar to get one. I get WHY you mentioned the trophy garden, but, NOT the Free one in Veilstone City before you get the National Dex because it wasn't a gift in DP/BDSP.
That Definitely makes it better, and easier to gain access to its shiny new evolution! But I stand by that even a Post-Game Trophy Garden is STILL more worth it than getting 9999 coins at the Game Corner!
@@emperorcubone I didn't say it wasn't better than the game corner, I just meant that the free one in Platinum cancels out the Trophy Garden Porygon. Also, there's RNG involved that determines IF Porygon is in the Trophy Garden. Luckily you can manipulate it if you save & reload before talking to Mr. Backlot. Now, in D/P, it's the ONLY way to obtain Porygon besides Pal Park. While BDSP has Legends Arceus for the easiest & quickest method. Yes, it's more steps, but, at least they are minimum Level 20 in Distortions. Also, you don't need to play until the Terarium in Scarlet/ Violet. So, all the Sinnoh Games can get Porygon in special ways.
D/P- Trophy Garden
Platinum- Veilstone or Garden
Remakes- Garden (Radar) or Move from PLA
PLA- Distortions
The Porygon ran away from team galactic and the guy who rescued it gives it to you.
@@awesomeocelot7475 I know.
my winner is Inkay. I had one in my team in ultra sun and omg it and specifically it's (back then) signature move topsy-turvy is insane that gen -- it inverts the targets stat changes which is insanely useful when the entire game's special thing is that you fight a bunch of boss pokemon who boost their stats at the start of the battle which you can then immediatly invert so that +1 to all stats is now a -1.
And you can get it literally on route 1 (which is great bc early on everyone still uses growl and such and inkay's ability turns all those -1 to attack into +1) and they even gave topsy-turvy an accuracy boost that gen to now always hit. Inkay is good in gen 6 already but in gen 7? so so so good i love this little squid so much
Oh wow; I never even thought of using that against the Totem Pokemon but that would be great! Also some Z-Moves can cause stat boosts so it'd be handy there too!
You made a interesting point about how late we get the legends so they are harder to use which I totally agree with. It’s one of the reasons I like Colosseum since you can use all the beasts throughout the story and ORAS cause you get a lati twin so easily. Lucario was my instant first thought because I always used one during my black and white 2 play throughs and never really used Lucario in Sinnoh. Most I ever used one in Sinnoh was in Arceaus.
It's just so hard to justify grinding the game to a halt just to hatch an egg and raise it up to the mid-40's or 50's to catch up to the rest of the team. It works early on but past the fourth gym it's more of a chore!
(But yes, I greatly enjoyed the Lati@s gift in ORAS!)
Until legends of Arceaus
I wouldn't have called native that one
@@emperorcubone you know sometimes i question if Riolu and Lucario should be considered "Sinnoh" pokemon since you can't actually capture it in the sinnoh games, you can only get it from the egg in those games, even the remakes are the same in that regard. Sure Legends arceus allowed it, but I look at that title as more of a spin-off personally.
That said, I do gotta say that while having the power to catch riolu early in the unova sequels is cool, it being effective by the first gym is subjective since it doesn't get Force Palm until level 15 (if you actually raise any of your pokemon to this level, Cheren shouldn't be able to touch you since his highest is lvl 11), only knowing Counter at level 8 until then, which is kind of risky to run given Riolu is a friendship evo pokemon and you definitely don't want it to faint, but Counter requires you to take hits and survive to do damage back.
Though getting it to evolve before Roxie and beyond isn't a problem, and it can put in work for the rest of the region sure, it's just that first bit I would disagree unless you don't care for excess grinding to take down cheren.
6:53 yeah this is why I love my lil spark, I always knew Rotom had potential, back when I had pearl, I looked at Rotom and knew that it would be big one day, and now we can even take selfies with him
Had a mothim when I played through the remake. I can relate to the bug/flying type being surprisingly good in Sinnoh
I've never bothered with the honey tree thing so I've never used Mothim, but maybe I could trade one over some time?
@@emperorcubone yeah, I was initially going for a munchlax, but thought the playthrough might be more interesting partnering with overlooked 'mons.
It was fun trying to make Mothim and Rampardos work despite their flaws.
In Gen 7 I had a really fun strategy for a Gen 1 Pokemon that wasn’t made possible until Gen 5 (I only ever used the strategy in Alola because I didn’t think of it until then, and Gen 8 onward I started restricting my teams to Pokemon that I’ve never used before, so I was trying new things instead of relying on old tactics). I would catch a Magnemite with Sturdy, give it an Eviolite, keep it in its middle stage, and teach it Double Team and a status inflicting move like Discharge or Tri Attack
I would argue the Ralts line in X and Y is a big improvement. The physical/special split, having dual types, having a mega Gardevoir, getting them relatively early and TM's not being one time use. The last being a big issue with Hoenn games that wasn't rectified until the remakes. You basically had to use Thunderbolt, Shock Wave, or Shadow Ball. Otherwise it was all Psychic damage. Even then, Shadow Ball was physical in Gen 3.
The Champion having one as their ace says a lot about their improvements! (Not to mention Wally using Gallade in ORAS!)
The point you brought up about legends and how late they are is actually my biggest gripe with how they are these days.
Like, yeah, they shouldn't be early game, but with only a few exceptions I think it would be perfectly acceptable to allow explorative players the opportunity to find most legendary Pokemon at the level a starter might be fully evolved just for the sake of letting us actually use them. I would personally be so much more invested in basically all of them if this was an option.
Even just letting us capture Regigigas when we first reach the temple at the 7th gym would be better than the postgame!
This is why i love the Cabalion line in B2/W2 specifically
Honestly surprised you didn't bring up one of the Kanto mons living in Johto
Shoutout to the early Poliwag and Gastly you can get before the first gym, they're super useful to have when the game is just beginning
I wanna mention Zubat too as well, since the addition of Crobat made for a great mainstay
Also Geodude. Female Graveler can almost solo the game (female specifically because Whitney and Karen)
Admittedly, I did pick up Riolu as my 2nd Pokémon in my 1st Black 2 playthru. I evolved it into Lucario before the 1st Gym. 😂 For my 1st time using a Lucario, I loved it!
Whenever I play through a Pokémon game, I tend to just use Pokémon from the region the game is based in. However the only time I didn’t do this is when in my first play through of Violet when I got a shiny male Ralts very early in the game and kept him on my team throughout. Gallade is just a very great Pokémon in general so of course he excels well in Paldea. Anyways great video as always Emperor Cubone✨
2:11 I honestly have a soft spot for Riley’s riolu egg since I ended up getting a full odds shiny from it. But being able to catch one early in game is definitely superior than hatching one from an egg.
Was that the first time you ever hatched it? Cause that would be pretty funny if you thought it was Always a shiny gift!
@@emperorcubone yeah. Once I receive eggs I usually just get to hatching them but I wasn’t expecting it to be shiny it gave me quite a shock.
I did a Steel monotype run for White 2 recently, so I picked up and used Riolu as soon as I possibly could. Lucario did me really well throughout the run.
That'd be fun! I've not done a Steel type mono-team yet. I'm glad it worked out for you!
Something I want to know is that if you were given all three starter Pokemon of a region, which three would do the best in their games
That would be interesting to figure out sometime!
Good video. I also have a suggestion for another Pokemon that might be better outside of its home Region. This is gonna sound crazy but I think Axew and its line is one of them and it's the gen after it comes out. Now this sounds crazy because it gains 1 whole weakness but I think the upsides outweigh that. You can get it very early in the game in the connecting cave a little bit before the first gym (meaning it's good against the gym leader's ace who is part dragon) and much earlier to get from its Gen 5 self where you needed to go out of your way to get it in a cave that you needed surf to get to. Axew's also a mono-type dragon so that makes him good against two of the other Kalos gym leaders and good against 3 (Rock because of the part dragon typing, elec, and grass) of the elite 4 late-game (Fire, Water, and Dragon). In contrast, in Unova, it's good against 1 to 3 gym leaders or elite 4 (B2W2 is 3 since it's water and dragon gyms and champ fight) depending on the game.
Hmm, I've never actually used one in Kalos because I had just done so in Unova, but I could see that being the case! Haxorus can also get the Poison Jab TM to deal with Fairies as well; I might have to try Axew next time I play X and Y!
Ooooh... I really like this concept! Excellent video as always, too 👍
Thank you! It honestly could have been a longer list, since plenty of Pokemon get this treatment.
Being able to get a Dratini in Goldenrod is pretty neat, too. Not as expensive as Porygon so you don't spend as much time at the Game Corner. Much better than waiting until you get to Blackthorn, and you can even do what Lance did and have multiple Dragonite's on your team.
Well in HGSS Voltorb Flip is somewhat a pain in the a$$ to play for those games. So you may have to grind it out depending on how good you play Voltorb Flip. That’s compared to waiting for Claire’s Gym to get a Dratini since the gift one you get can have Extreme Speed if you answer the questions with the right answers, Also you might not get Dragonite before the post game, if you don’t level grind it.
@@FireheartSamurai Voltorb Flip can definitely be very frustrating, but even I got really good at it and I never even considered myself okay at 'Minesweeper'. I remember just spending time there to get coins to buy TMs and it did feel like a nice break from the main game (since I played Crystal several times as a kid). It was nice having a dragon type so early, too. Being stuck with so few options early in the game was boring. No need to have fully evolved Pokemon by the time you get to the league; I always used Togetic (since Togepi is my favourite Pokemon) and it was usually in the mid-40s when I got to the league.
@@mogamatsedickpetersen8620 Oh I see. At least there’s tutorials online for playing Voltorb Flip tho. Also for me I just level grind whenever I play a Pokémon game if I need to. But for HGSS I had to just to be safe & it didn’t hurt my team 1 bit for challenging the Elite 4 for the game.
@@FireheartSamurai Wish I knew then hehe. I hard to learn the hard way 🙃
HGSS was at least good for level grinding. Not like SwSh 😅
Things really changed when I got a 3DS and bred different Pokemon that I traded to my SS from my HG game. So many moveset possibilities. So many team compositions 😊
@@mogamatsedickpetersen8620 Oh I see. Yeah it’s true that level grinding is different in HGSS compared to SwSh. But granted SwSh have exp candies to make level grinding less of an issue tho.
First one to come to mind is marill line being a strong physical water fairy type in later gens.
It's first gen no ability and low stats. Later on early evolution with huge power. Fix up the ivs and boom super mon
This is true; also in Johto you couldn't find Marill until past the Fouth Gym!
@@emperorcubone yeah I never got why mons in their own region come later.
Would have been good to switch it and poli line to explain why lyra gets one early in the remakes as well.
Though a remake now it would be even more insane as an early Mon with a low evolution level for the first gyms
11:15 Getting hold of Porygon on a huge discount... no wonder we need the Dubious DISC to evolve Porygon 2 into Porygon Z😆
I was watching a playthrough of either Black 2 or White 2 when I started playing Black 2 myself and when I saw them almost immediately finding a Riolu at the farm I absolutely had to get one too. Unfortunately in my case I was searching for like three hours before I finally found one... 😅
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The first time I played Pokémon Diamond - as a young kid - I kept a Dustox on my team until I swapped it out for Dialga.
This list is so true, I used a porygon in my first legends run and it was so much better than let’s go
I was honestly scared to enter a Space-Time Distortion the first time I saw one! Didn't realize there were great prizes inside...
Yeah a lot of good spawns but very scary to try to catch
It's more of a personal thing for me, but Lugia is the best in gen 9 because of teraltalization. It can be the correct type of water.
Haha, that is valid reasoning!
It even comes that way in the wild
I legit thought skarmory was a hoen Mon too 😂😂😂
Same. HeartGold was my Johto game so ORAS was where I obtained my first Skarmory with no idea it could be caught in the other Johto games.
Makes sense. Not only is there what was mentioned in this video but it's also the only Pokemon Steven has that is not from Gen 3.
Skarmory isn't the only mon that people make that mistake about, people tend to forget that slugma is also from Johto
I thought Slugma was also gen 3 for the longest time
When I saw the video idea the first option I thought of was Riolu in BW2 or even XY pre Mega Lucario or just Lurcario without the mega in Kalos
XY feels like the first game where Flareon is actually a viable option. it actually learns flare blitz, and at level 45 which is kinda late but still workable. Especially conaieerinf xy has one of the highest level curves in the main story.
I used golurk in x and y and outside of completely walling korrina, it’s just a solid Pokemon to use throughout the game where in unova it was only obtainable right near the end of both games
I often forget Skarmory is a gen 2 pokémon specificly because of how late and how rare it is
Riolu carried me back in my White 2 playthrough. It one shotted the uncatchable Kyurem using aura sphere
I’d probably say Azurill, but that’s mostly because sapphire was my first Pokémon game and I didn’t know how breeding worked at all so any game I could catch it in (although I found it’s much better to just catch a Marill bc of that darn friendship evolution lol)
For those who don't do Type Shares, about two thirds of them would refuse to use Pancham in X and Y because Chesnaught is a Fighting Type and Greninja is a Dark Type. People are more likely to use it in Sword and Shield including myself.
It's in Alola too, but that is a good point! Pangoro is a good Pokemon.
Plus Lucario does get an offensive benefit in Unova against team Plasma with all there patrats and Purloins
Not to mention Colress as a Steel type specialist!
they should invest in an arcade type thing over the gambling and bring back prize one of a kind mons like porygon. That makes these mons so much more important.
These are some good choices. It def seems like Lucario and Hawlucha were better in a later region than their home region
Maybe it's a Fighting type thing?
@@emperorcubone honestly I think it was the fact that both of them were available earlier and had good matchups with gyms/trials/etc and had a different set of Pokemon around them when it comes to what else you could use in the region. Like why use Lucario in sinnoh when Infernape was better and usually already on the team due to the lack of fire types? Or why use Hawlucha when you’re given a mega Lucario a little bit later? Just some of the reasons besides the ones you mentioned that some Pokemon just get shafted in their home region but shine in later ones
It doesn't really fit the theme for this video, but scyther was my catching mon in sword and shield, swords dance, false swipe, quick attack, decently fast, yes its a dlc mon, but if you have the dlc you can get it pretty much immediately
I think that's still worthy of note! It's always nice to find a use for older Pokemon even if they're not your primary team.
Surprised not to see Geodude and the Johto region. You could practically solo everything up to Pryce and Chuck, and even then they’re only a few exceptions.
Definitely useful! Although Geodude was far from helpless in Kanto, being found at Mt. Moon before the Electric Gym, so it could still contribute as your most likely counter! Not to mention the Ghost types not Levitating and being weak to Ground...
I legit thought Rotom was a legendary pokemon for a good while because of how late you got it in Sinnoh and how special it seemed.
A lot of people thought that! It's also right next to the Legends in the Dex so it's almost like they meant it that way...
I still have a hard time believing that Slugma and Skarmory came from Gen 2. I grew up with ruby/sapphire so I just always thought they were Gen 3. You don’t even see a Slugma in Johto at all! Unless you count that egg gift in heart gold / soul silver
Sometimes I use the Zubat line in the Sinnoh games instead of the Starley line.
New Pokemon introduced in a generation: A 5% Encounter at a certain time of day way late into the game with a tedious evolution gimmick
That Pokemon in the next gen games: 25% encounter in the first routes and the evolution method is simplified
That about covers it!
Im gonna vouch for my homie magnezone
Gen 4 really was tough with the old sturdy ability system, but especially later generations with more poison (alola) and fairy (kalos) that steel resists made it a titan
I had my magnezone “Chromedome” steamroll through Pokemon Moon, and both Sturdy and Volt Switch allow me to pivot around unfavorable ground types
Not to mention half of Gen 4 (HGSS) didn't even let you evolve Magneton at all!
Had ZERO idea Skarmory was in Gold.
Well that's because it technically wasn't (as a Silver exclusive!) They just hid it so well...
@@emperorcubone ooooh lol. I missed that entirely. Small-child me thought it was a fun pairing with Absol in Ruby
My pick is Tyranitar. How many Pokémon in their debut games are unavailable until you collect 16 gym badges? How “fun” was leveling up back in Gold & Silver? It’s level 15/20 when you catch Larvitar & you got to get it up to level 55. Bonus points for the physical/special split allowing it to properly use its STAB dark-type moves & an ability that controls the weather (increasing its special defense), I don’t remember when I first got a Tyranitar but I know it wasn’t Gold & Silver.
Yeah, I think most pseudo-legendary Pokemon could go here; like was it really the best to get a Beldum once you beat the game? Or would halfway like in Alola be better? Or even potentially sooner like the Indigo Disk!
I used Lucario for the first and only time in White 2. In Diamond I never even knew where to get a Lucario, as the Iron Island is completely optional, which is wild, given that Lucario is somewhat of a mascot for the series even starring it's own movie...
And I tend to forget that Hawlucha is a Gen 6 Pokemon. Not only is the availability in USUM much better, it also fits so much better into Alolas whole theme. Same for Skarmory, which was not only very late and rare in Gen2, but also version exclusive.
But I wanna know if really someone ever gambled for Porygon? Didn't we all missigno nuggets to sell and simply bought the coins? Which tbf is still a ridiculously long way for a mediocre Pokemon
I used a beautifly, and Cherrim on my first gen 4 run. They both were traded from HGSS, which was my fist game
Wow, they're not known for their high Defenses so you're brave!
@@emperorcubone I did use them in BDSP though, even though I was an idiot. I just wanted to get through the game as easy as I could.
I think alot of generation 5 pokemon fit better in X/Y maybe its beacuse there were so many of them to be found in X/Y and I also thought some were from generation 6 like bisharp and woobat and shelmet. I feel like all of them make sense with the kalos themes and fit naturally in the areas they were in like the yellow areas that were in the rain and the caves.
I like to think that some Pokemon originate from regions outside of the region they are introduced in
I.E.
Kanto Safari Zone exclusive Pokemon are likely not originally from Kanto, Pinsir might have originated in Sinnoh or Alola
Eevee was a gift Pokemon until B2W2 so it might have originated from Unova or Galar
True! It's pretty much confirmed when they said Yungoos was imported to Alola; even though that's their "home" to us because we saw them there first they might actually be from Paldea?
Chikorita would do wonders in hoenn.
I'll never belive Skarmory is a gen2 mon
I never used Staraptor. I used mostly other Options.
That could be a cool vid if you haven’t yet. Pokémon commonly mistaken to be apart of another region. I used to think Togepi, Marill, and Snubbull were gen 1, skarmory and Slugma as gen 3 and so on.
I think "Droomish" already did that topic, but it is an interest subject for sure!
I think chansey got better over time it can be strong when it what’s to be
That shared Special stat was pretty nice in Gen 1, but yes Chansey is still good!
You know, Lucario is a great Pokemon, and Riolu is huge for the first Gym in BW2.
That is, if it actually learnt any Fighting-Type moves by that point.
Unfortunately, as promising as it seems, the only Fighting move you'll get before the Level Cap is Counter at Level 6. Unless you powerlevel to 15 for Force Palm, but at that point, you didn't need Riolu specifically.
USUM speed runners use the hawlucha trade don’t they?
Probably, it would be objectively better as it gets stronger more quickly...
Regions they are ohtained sometime prior to 4th gym so you get them half the game minimum
You didn't even mention how you get given a Porygon in Platinum's story
Yep, I was one of many who thought Skarmory was a Gen 3 Pokemon for a long time 😅
Did they apply to Slugma and Natu as well? I hear those are common to think of as Gen 3 Pokemon too...
@@emperorcubone It definitely applies to Slugma, but not Natu oddly enough. The first time I saw Natu and Xatu was in HGSS, so I think that just helped me associate them with Johto
Durant's not neglected! He's a lower-tier menace in singles, with a successful basketball career to boot!
*LOWER-tier still seems a bit overlooked to me, but I don't do competitive so what do I know? Fun fact; Durant IS indeed the only Pokemon that Doesn't come up when you search its name, showing you the basketball player instead!
Geodude was so much better in Johto than Kanto. It can pretty much solo through Morty fight (in remakes they have levitate but in Gen 2 weak to ground as well).
Good point! I love hitting floating Pokemon with Ground in those early days!
You could theoretically dominate Paldea and Gallar with only Fire type Pokemon
It's wild! I wonder what made Fire types go extinct in Sinnoh?
@@emperorcubone very weird indeed
I would say Rotoms best region was Kalos. Rotom-Wash DOMINATED gen 6 VGC
That is also acceptable; just anywhere but Sinnoh!
I transferred a joltik to Alpha Sapphire and it Wrecked Team Aqua.
I honestly thought skarmory was gen 3 for a long time. Until I found it in gen 2
same but with macargo (i think, still dont know tbh)
@@bigfella23729 I found slugma in gen 2 by accident. Was looking for pokemon to battle against. And then it shows up.
Totally understandable! I always wonder how often that happens today with newcomers to the series; like if they only started with Sword and Shield do they think Crabrawler is a Gen 9 Pokemon because it wasn't in Gen 8?
@@emperorcubone yeah that is true to new people in the series. Since older gens are more tied to people who grew up playing them
i used to think a lot of gen 2-4 pokemon were from gens 5-6 because before playing any games the first seasons of the anime i saw were kanto, unova, and kalos lol
I’ve enjoyed wrestling since I was a kid, a bit more back then, but I still don’t really care for Hawlucha. I think it’s a design thing. I also never really loved Lucario, again, I think it’s a design thing but they’re just not for me I guess lol
magnemite for sure
Simply adding the Steel type did so much!!
@@emperorcubone also it's found early in gen 3 and 7. Maybe 9 too
Spearow is the best Pokémon in the Jhoto games, with Abra being a close second. Houndour is exclusive to the postgame until Platinum.
Roselia is core to a Sinnoh play through. I get why you wouldn’t count Pokémon that gain evolutions in later generations, but I do think Roselia can hold its own, even before it evolves in Sinnoh, while it’s not given a second thought in Hoenn, due to better options.
I almost put Spearow on the list, specifically for Kenya, the in-game trade!
@@emperorcubone I was thinking of Kenya, specifically.
why did i think wurmple was from galar
Wooper.
Probably so, but did you have a specific region in mind?
I beg to differ. My Quagsire absolutely trashes Lance's Dragonites with Ice Punch and dealt with Charizard and Aerodactyl with Surf.
The only thing it deals normal damage is Gyarados.
Nah, just wanted to say it@@emperorcubone
the porygon is actually only 6500 in the original games though
That was actually only in Pokemon Blue for some reason; in Red and Yellow it was the max!
Why do I feel like the mention of Mystic Umbreon was still a bit of shade towards MAndJTv? 😬 "This is how you're supposed to do it"
I wasn't even thinking about it, I just wanted to explain how the idea occurred to me!
Hawlucha has become my favorite Pokémon, and honestly it’s a little bit for the reasons u don’t like it
Charzard 2 megas and a gigantamax form
This is a good point!
I'm sure some people will disagree with me, but hear me out. Dunsparce in x and y
I'll have to take your word for it!
Fr why would you waste your time gambling for porygon 😂😂
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Hey Cubone, why did you use he/him pronouns for Rotom?
He assumed its gender
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11:49 also, I’ll say this. I love using (mold breaker) haxorous simply because sturdy was EVERYWHERE