If one can afford either a Taycan or a X7, I don't think, that the cost of fuel or charging plays any role 🤷♂️ I think comfort and travel time are way more important...
There are some comforts that come with an EV that are non obvious before owning one, charging at home and always leaving with a full charge, be able to ”keep climate” when going in to a store, preheating the car from the app instead of clearing windows from ice etc etc So depends on what a person sees as most important for comfort
@@Nite-owl Why would the EV loose? Well I guess in the UK if people are stupid and use the expensive CPOs. Here I save roughly 40% on fuel expenses vs my old diesel with only DC charging.
Stopped watching at 9:00. As the diesel driver drives on on a mission, the EV driver is stopping for a second breakfast but couldn’t bother to time it with a charging station when you know you would have to add at least two charging stations along the way? Even knowing that diesel was going to win, the comparison of diesel versus EV was at least going to be interesting. But this wasn’t it. This was driver A pushing hard to a destination vs Driver B stopping to eat extra meals and do some shopping.
Lets be real here, even if we swap the drivers into the different cars, the outcome will still be the same. maybe the time difference will be smaller but ultimately the EV needs to stop and charge
@@user-sf5bt8eb4y except it would have been a lot more interesting to watch. If say the diesel driver had driven the EV instead with the same dedication. Driving the Taycan down to 0% SOC and charging it back up in five minutes only on the 0-20% charge curve, which happens at over 300 kilowatts. And the diesel driver could have been switched so that the diesel drive is lackadaisical and take additional breakfast stops and shopping. I bet even then the diesel might win, but it would be a lot more interesting challenge instead of saddling the slower EV with an even slower driver.
@@Jeddinfirstly , we both agree however you flip it, the EV is going to lose, so there won’t be any difference regardless who’s driving Secondly, fact is if anyone is to drive a diesel , they would never have done 4 stops for this trip. Also, I suspect the “extra lunch or stretching” is just an excuse/replacement for “we need to stop and charge this thing”
@@user-sf5bt8eb4y The Taycan charges so fast that there is usually not enough time to pee and eat something. So in reality there should be no difference. If it is the reason is the bad charging infrastructure in UK. In Germany I need the same time from Lake of Constance to Hamburg (520 miles) with the EV or the Diesel.
@@madmikesch2453 yes that’s correct. If both cars had done a 1 stop trip with a toilet break of 10 to 15 mins they would arrive at the same time. You don’t sit and wait to charge on a long trip. You just park in a different place, plug it in and head to the services. The only time it makes a difference is if you don’t stop at all, then the EV will be 10 minutes behind.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use something like a BMW 5 series saloon instead of the X7? The X7 and the Taycan are two completely different car categories. By the way, EVs bore me to death. I love a straight six.
So your “EV expert” took the Taycan to a Tesla supercharger which is a 400 volt charger and said it’s a 250kw changer? The Taycan is an 800 volt car, it won’t charge at full rate at that charger. An expert would know that. Should have just trusted the software and stopped where it said. It would have done it in 1 change while you had a 10 min break. EVs aren’t for everyone and have limitations, especially for towing but his is not how living with one is. Most of the time I’m rushing back to the car cos it charges faster than I can pee.
You're mixing up units. kWh is a meausre of energy (i.e. your battery capacity). kW is the _rate_ of energy transfer (i.e. your charging speed). The voltage alone - be that 400V or 4V - tells you NOTHING about how fast the car charges.
@henryviiifake8244 no. An 800V architecture car can only charge at 300+kW on an 800V charger. They're less than half that rate on 400V chargers because they have to mediate between the battery and the charger. Same is true the other way. 800V (350kW) chargers are current limited and will only do 170kW on 400V cars.
The electric car needed an expert in the back to make sure all was well. I don't want to work out every little detail when i go anywhere, i just want to get in and go
@@amato5232 they made a big issue about that in the video but this is just BS. He made things worse. That car is one of the fastest charging cars if you just put the destination in the satnav. Stop where it says and you’ll not lose any time. In the US they tested it against an ICE car over a 3000 mile road trip. It was only just over 2 hours behind over that distance. Should have easily kept up over 400 miles.
Baffles me why you didn't do this in much more affordable cars! my 2004 Seat Ibiza 1.9TDI is still going strong with 239.600 miles on the clock, cheap to insure, cheap to run and cheap to repair, = cheap motoring that works, i don't have to do any stupid planning for stops either.
usual complete crap Mr Taylor, get them to actually buy them and run for a year! no leasing, actual real world stuff, i just said fk it and bought an old diesel jetta. no regrets.
Its affordable to sit on the driveway where you can sorn it etc. But generally you'll be spending much more on fuel costs through the year, and servicing, taxes, etc.
@@ptaylor5014 I agree. The savage depreciation on an EV (and the expensive insurance) will cost way more than any cost in fuel. As well as avoiding any range anxiety!
@@makkapacca We aren't selling £100k X7s or Taycans either. We're here to inform/entertain on YT, not sell cars! At least not that I've been told… -Tim
A good one to test for this would be the Kia EV 3 (with the bigger battery) against an Audi A3 with the diesel engine. They would both be circa 36k specced up and so it would be interesting to see a review of how they compare both around town and on a long trip.
I have an EV9 which costs about £35 a month to travel 1,200 miles per month locally using cheap rate overnight charging at home. I regularly drive Glasgow to Leicester with one 20 minute charge stop each way plus a 90% charge at the office for an additional charging cost of about £85 for the round trip. That amounts to about £120 for 2,000 miles driven in a car the size of a Range Rover. I like not having to stand at a fuel pump, especially in cold or wet weather, and not having to queue to pay for fuel. En route charging hasn’t been an issue since more charging stations have come online except once when many of the dispensers lost their cables due to theft. I couldn’t be happier with the Kia, but I accept that my use case would not suit every driver. That said, it’s obvious that electric vehicles are improving rapidly and will eventually be the best choice for most drivers. The situation at the moment is rather like that of the late nineteenth century as internal combustion cars began to appear. They were reviled as being expensive and dangerous and many argued that horses would always be the best mode of travel, whilst others thought the horse would be redundant. In fact, whilst cars proliferated, horses were still in regular transport roles for another forty years and now, more than a century later, horse racing is still a popular thing. We won’t see the end of the internal combustion engine for a very long time, perhaps never, but electric vehicles are here to stay..
It’s roughly the equivalent of a Range Rover in size and comfort, but arguably much more reliable. One of those with equivalent specification would be well over £100,000, £25,000 more expensive than the Kia. In terms of fuel the only comparison I have is my Land Rover Discovery 4 which manages about 28 miles to the gallon and costs approximately four times as much to fuel.
@@tmm5ive There isn't an equivalent KIA ICE vehicle sold in the UK however they make the Telluride, which is similar in size, for the US market which is priced at $60k fully loaded. If it were to be sold in the UK it would be priced in the £65-£70 range.
You dragged around an extra person in the Taycan for what? To make every possible poor decision? 😂 Of course the car which is stopping so the driver can go shopping several times will be slower on a journey than the guy who’s hell bent on winning the race. Also, I’d have stopped once for 20 mins in my Polestar 2 on that journey - or perhaps 2x 10 min stops as and when my bladder/stomach dictates. Doesn’t seem much of a hardship on a 7-8hr journey. An EV hasn’t changed or complicated my long journeys whatsoever, except for making them smoother, quicker and quieter. Also, I’ve never come across a broken charger on my travels up and down the length of the UK. Either I’m exceptionally lucky or there’s something a little suspicious about almost every EV long journey test encountering the problem.
The diesel driver simply did what most drivers would do on that journey - press on and get there with minimum fuss. The EV driver, on the other hand, despite having an 'expert' on board, just seemed intent on wasting time. Stopping at Tebay without charging and then diverting miles off route to a busy shopping centre for a slightly cheaper charger.
I think you are slightly lucky - at Gordano Service station one of the two Gridserve chargers has been out of commission for quite some time - a month or more, I think.
@@steveknight878 Perhaps. Who could say for certain? I just let my car’s built in Google Maps sat nav do the work and only deviate from that if I already know of some better chargers. If the charger doesn’t work for whatever reason, the built in sat nav knows and automatically avoids it.
@@S4MM7ify I agree with you - generally there are plenty of working chargers. I just think that you are (slightly) lucky in never seeing any non-working chargers.
In my opinion like others have said of you can afford a 100k + deisel or electric car fuel or electric won't be an issue in view of cost, but what I would like to see is a more affordable duel as I did enjoy the video 🎅👏👍
@@motorpointI would love to see a more realistic version of this comparison too! I don’t think the vast majority of people out here are driving or looking to buy 100grand cars
This is a flawed argument. People who drive such cars also have other financial priorities and may prefer to save on BIK and cost of running for majority of their driving. Apply the longer term saving elsewhere
While the trip is easy achieved in the Porches, I like to get the journey over with, and with certainty of timing and delays. So, I guess for me it would be the X7.
But how often do you need to drive this far? 99% of EV owners DC charge a few times a year if going on longer trips because the regular use is done with home charging. And with experience charging breaks are done while on a food/toilet break anyway.
Horses for courses. I have a Mini electric for city shopping, with a home three phase charger run from solar panels. I have had the car for three years and have never used a commercial charging point. Also have a D300 Discovery for long distance, load carrying, towing and when road conditions demand. Average use over the last three years is 5000 for the Mini and 10000 for the Disco - even though the Mini is used much more frequently.
There really is no substitute for simplicity and convenience. With a diesel I generally have enough range for any long journey and I can just get in and go. If I don't have the range, it is a matter of 3 - 5 minutes to resolve. Also, I don't have to plan and strategize every journey like a military operation, I simply stop for a break when I feel the need.
@@Twmpa So are you able to drive from full tank to empty on that diesel without stopping at all? I guess you eat in the car and pee in a bottle? :P How often do you need this range? There is a reason truck drivers need to rest after 4 hours of driving. There are EVs on the market (not breaking the bank) able to do 350-400km on 80% of the battery in winter. A 20-30 minute stop every 3-4 hours is pretty nice actually. You'd be surprised how much a toilet break eats up of those minutes. And why do you need to plan so much? Any good EV will know where the chargers are. I know roughly were chargers are around here and if not it takes me
the so called 'electric car expert' should have advised a quick top up at Gretna on the 800v IONITY and not at a 400v Tesla charger which will only charge the Taycan at a max of 150kw, if i'd been driving there is no way the gap would have been 90 mins and the cost would have been a lot less using a subscription as most EV drivers will have. I can get my E-Tron GT from Manchester to Benidorm for a little over £100, yes granted charging in France is cheaper but there is no way an ICE can do it for that price.
Check out JoeAchilles on here, he's done London to Rome on one tank of diesel in a BMW 7 series. He even did 1500 miles in a diesel Passat from Africa to London on one tank. So yes, an ICE can do even better than an EV 😂
It depends. I leave Glasgow with a full battery and need only 15min top-up at Ionity 49p/kW to reach the office 365 miles away. I charge to full there at 28p/kW and have another 15min top up on the way home. That is only an occasional 700 mile round trip. The rest of the time I’m driving in the Scottish lowlands at 8p/kW. Best stop trying to prove that good EV’s are costly to run - they aren’t, unless IQ has something to do with it.
Hilarious !!! I can home charge for blah blah blah at home lol. Meanwhile it's losing £100s a week sat on my drive. Porsche taycan for instance is averaging £650 a week in depreciation great value eh !!!
@@CarlWard-i7l Yeah, but the EV9 is great car which I’ll be enjoying for a few years under full warranty and I’m very happy. Your point is what? That you think I’m worse off than if I’d bought a Q8? Blah!
@@CarlWard-i7l so you are saying they are a good used buy then? I bought an second hand Enyaq for 16k and have had the same good experience as Chris. The thing is, it will have paid for itself in 8 years on fuel savings alone, not including money on brakes, cambelts, oil changes etc etc.
Taycan will depreciate massively and not many people can afford 100 grand cars and not ordinary people can afford basic electric cars as they are so pricey as well I’ll stick with my diesel for now and see how it goes with Road tax hikes
The Road Tax is really creating up. At least the prices of fuel have come down a fair bit. It's still 4x the cost if I drive the diesel instead of the EV
438 only need one charge 🤦♂️ if she want to win she should have made at least 300 miles with the first charge, then make one charge and would be enough to arrive, 4 charging stops is crazy, max she needs is 2 charging stops of 10 minutes our only 1 but more time
Tesla Chargers with a 800V car is a very bad idea. Somebody missed the physics lessons in school. That cuts the charging speed of the Taycan more than half
You got to near Gretna with 185 range left. From Motorpoint Glasgow to just before Gretna is 78 miles. That's a total of 263 miles. So where is this 430 odd mile range then ?
Mine almost chokes me out with fumes in the whole area everytime I run the engine. The the diesel exhaust gases always smell this bad ? I just don't remember it being like that before.
@@ronaldgoddard9733 yes it’s called a satnav. Would’ve guided her perfectly with only one charging stop. That so-called expert gave her all the wrong advice including directing her to a Tesla charger, which the Taycan isn’t even capable of utilizing efficiently as an 800 V vehicle on a 400 V charger. Something you would think an expert would know.
There are current EVs driving round today with over 200k on there original batteries. Battery replacement costs but so does a new engine. Individual cells or groups can also be replaced rather than the whole battery.
I have no idea how much the porsche or the BMW cost. But I'm guessing over £100000 each. It doesn't matter what the outcome is, average buyers won't be using one of these for their long motorway holiday trips.
Oh my word, Rebecca on a road trip and Tim on a minimal comfort break trip. It was lost from Motorpoint Glasgow. Wrong EV if you want regular reliable and fast charging, only one choice a Tesla! I bet if you had changed cars Tim would have won by the same margin driving the porker.
Do the same test with the same cars 1 year from now, and take depreciation into account with the true cost. The X7 will be worth around £75k with average mileage and the Taycan will be worth £50-60k, makes a big difference.
Diesel is king for people with brains. Also, the careless traveling ICE offers is more luxurious. Having anxiety about range and charging is anything but luxurious.
Anyone with lesser-functioning brains. Those with higher-functioning brains realize the range ability of diesel is never needed. Who drives for 8 hours straight? The Taycan can drive 300 miles and recoup 70% capacity in 14 mins. As we saw here, even with taking her time, the Taycan made it with little delay on a journey longer than most people would normally be taking.
If I swapped to a diesel from my EV it would double my household electricity bill and quadruple my vehicle fuel cost, my brain tells me to stay with my EV. It's all thanks to Octopus energy and their intelligent Go electricity tariff and Renault for making the sensible and efficient Zoe 50 EV.
@@leegoodman297 so tell me what do the intelligent ones do without a drive or private parking space ? , and no access to any of these facilities. With ev we have created a problem that didn't exist and now have to solve ....now is that really smart !
@@Wroe No shit sherlock. Before petrol we didn't have the problem of air pollution and oil pollution. Solving space for EVs is easier, if China can do it then the West should.
When you're 'on a run', each and every mile in that BMW will cost you 16 pence. but when you're only driving around town it's bound to cost even more. Whereas with the EV, you'll only need to pay Rapid charger prices when you're on a long-distance drive (beyond the range of the car). Every other mile will be 2 or 3 pence per mile. So over the course of a year, I wonder how many hours you would have to work. Just to be able to fill up in 2 minutes.
They should load both with luggage and a couple of people, too many reviews negate this fact and would be more “realistic”…..enjoyed the review nevertheless Rebecca and Tim are a great combo.
Nice one both of you and very interesting. One of my sons travels that distance to Scotland and back every month to see his children and currently drives a 3ltr diesel BMW 5 estate with an average mpg of +50, oddly real world stuff Tim :)
Be honest Tim, if it was your partner in the passenger seat and your girls in the back, would you have gone 3hrs before the first stop with it only taking 5mins?
My latest journey from Wigan to northern Greece, two thousand miles to go and 2k more to return, with my wife, son, daughter in law and a big labrador showed me that I made a huge mistake that I heard them and didn't drive my Tesla and instead I drove my son's Ford Ecosport. First of all, we had to stop every 2 hours. Somebody wanted to pee, then after two hours somnebody was hungry etc. Tesla wouldn't need a charge so often. Second and most important, my Tesla has autopilot, and the Ford doesn't even have a cruise control. We forgot the word comfort in the Ford, it is a B segment city SUV. Even the cost wouldn't be higher with the Tesla, especially with Germany's diesel prices on the motorways. We paid 2.1 euros/liter!!!!! The power at superchargers in Europe is cheaper than in the UK. I regreted it so hard, I was the one that drove for almost 30 hours and I couldn't have my car because they have range anxiety. That's exactly what happens at people that never drove an EV.
I recently drove to Portsmouth & back from North Manchester in a Renault Zoe. I also charged at Trentham Gardens & at a Tesla Supercharger just off the M40 near Banbury
Would love for one of these to time it where the driver of the diesel is driving with their partner who doesn’t know it’s a race and see how long it takes. Pretty sure “we are going to drive the length of the country, don’t worry there is some Kendal mint cake in the glovebox” would result in instant refusal from any reasonable person who wasn’t being competitive
Interesting result but all these big trip videos tend to do N S or S N I think it would be more interesting to do E W say Aberystwyth to Southwold or something like that. Much less motorway although A14 pretty much is.
I love it how the youtubers have to pick 400-500 mile journeys. I do not see comparisons of them going from their home in Edinburgh to Glasgow daily and then compare the cost etc . I can just imagine the groans from the ICE drivers if this was done in the middle of a petrol/diesel shortage, which will probably come in 2025 ! A neighbour of mine was crying that an EV would only give her 230 miles range, I asked her if she now drives further than the 45 miles to Troon, NO ! My little ICE car only does about 160 miles to the tank, it only holds 5 gallons
Would have been interesting to see this in a non-SUV but plain estate/hatchback too. 40mpg is pretty poor - I'd be aiming closer to 70mpg on motorway runs
Brilliant that they do the test in cars that cost around a 100k each. It’s not real world for most people. And unless you fudge it a bit the diesel will win hands down every time on a long run.
The £63 for the EV was how much the journey cost without then charging it to full, the BMW not only was so far ahead but full up and ready to go again and cost £73 with a full tank. So the EV cost more and was late.
This is why we opted to use EV for our city car and keep diesel SUV. We do a longer trips every other month and anything over 150km in one way is simply not possible with EV without planning ahead… with kids, luggage and everything else, planning which chargers to use and which to be used as a backup is simply an additional hassle that we really don’t need. No Tesla is not an option as they are simply put bad as a car. We looked at iX and eqe suv but decided on GLE.
Ev just don't work for uk, flats, terraced housing, long journeys where you just want to get to where you want to go... finally, why would you want a car that basically determines when you have to stop rather than the human
Any car determines when you have to stop, unless you think that ICE cars can achieve perpetual motion or create their own energy from nothing? An ICE car has a bigger fuel tank than an EV. That's the only reason it goes further.
Real life story i read on one of these taycan was people going a day trip which should have been 8 hours but they couldn't find a working fast charger except by going an hour in the wrong direction then found a queue there added 4 or 5 hours to the day iirc not what you spend 100k to experience
Acceleration and top speed is totally ridiculous criteria but the EV makers thought of that first. The Diesel took probably no more than 10 minutes to top up and drive away the Tycan well, add another hour or two to the journey standing around and trying to look like you don't care.
(I think I have the answer for post 2030 EV buyers) order the tow bar option for your new EV and then buy a small trailer, big enough for 10kw diesel generator. Attach the trailer to the back of your EV start up the diesel generator and plug in the charging cable. Range problems solved!
I drove my short range Polestar2 from Glasgow to Nottingham with one 15 minute stop, in -9C when I set off. I never had range anxiety, as the google software predicts to within 1 percent accuracy, and adjusts if needed. Its really very easy…you say hey google, take me home….no experts required. Why the obsession with testing the least efficient short range ev out there…compare that with a 5l petrol ford mustang.
Geez - it blows my mind that BMW can produce things as nice looking as the current x5 and 3 series, then come out with things as hideous as that X7 and i7...absolutely horrendous
Most people won't have access to their own private EV charging points and would have to rely on expensive public chargers (when available). Therefore I can't ever see more than a small percentage of the population owning an EV.
More than 60% of the uk do have off street parking. It does make a big difference to the convenience and cost for those but others have workplace changing which works just as well. So when you say most that FUD.
Actually it's the majority in the UK population that would meet your criterial of having access to off-street parking able to privately charge. The UK average is circa 60 to 70% of households have off-street parking access, once the 20% of non-driving households plus multi-car owning households are factored in. In England for example, the average for those households without access to off-street parking is 24%, raising to a peak of 36% in some urban settings; giving 74% average with access, lowering to 64% in urban settings. These figures also don't factor in those with access to charging at work nor those with company car / automaker charging cards. (Source: UK government, RAC and charging access NGOs).
Another thing to take into account is that widespread EV ownership would also require a massive increase in electricity generating capacity (more power stations) in the national grid to meet the higher demand. Since there are no plans to build more power stations (especially nuclear) there's likely to be a shortage of electricity in the future with a possibility of brown outs or even black outs as power generating companies start rationing the supply (and hike the cost).
@@DJDinaggio so you moved from one EV myth to another. The nation grid requires less power now that it did in the past. It’s a transition and they are planning for mass EV ownership. It doesn’t happen overnight. Rather than post this rubbish that you’ve seen others doing why don’t you go and educate yourself. The little book of EV myths is a good start.
@@DJDinaggio - The National Grid (NG) have stated that the extra energy demand for widespread EV ownership is a very managable target, being only a 10% increase (not a massive one as you've claimed). Perhaps you're confused with the NG having stated that there is a much bigger picture of ramping up electrical power generation to support the rapid electrification of industry and domestic (heating/cooking) energy use in the UK, displacing a significant chunk of oil and gas usage. Of course, what with 90GW of new renewable generation capacity in the pipeline to be deployed by 2030, plus the 860 grid scale battery systems being deployed alongside, then the risk of outage is fairly low; certainly improving on what has been a more precarious internationally exposed situation with oil and gas supply and generation in the past.
Great video, genuinely useful - the issue as you point out is that both are v expensive. My EV issue is I live in a City with on street parking so no garage / charging access apart from lamp posts - which doesn’t work if everyone has an EV. So I have just ordered another petrol car…
Went to visit my daughter for Christmas and my 2ltr diesel Octavia returned 70.8 mpg over a trip of approximately 315 miles. Drive in Eco and learn to drive like a chauffeur. No planning needed and I fill when I decide not the car as with EV’s.
@@Jeroenneman But the most environmentally friendly car you’ll ever own is the one you have. Replacing a newish super efficient diesel with the equivalent EV makes no sense. The change is being rushed which is damaging the environment because Politicians are scrounging votes. Driving sensibly in a diesel is a staggeringly efficient way to do long journeys. They are the pinnacle of ICE engineering yet are being scrapped. Madness.
If only most folk could choose between either of these technological behemoths for that long journey do it in a corsa I willing thst much more relevant.
Drive an EV if you like or drive a combustion car, it depends on your individual use case. If you have the facility to charge at home, overnight, it’s much much cheaper than diesel for fuel and servicing. The government’s of the world are taxing and legislating combustion vehicles off the roads, so enjoy combustion cars while you still can.
Would be more realistic and useful if it was a petrol hybrid ‘average’ car against an equivalent EV car, who the hell could afford the types of vehicles used in this programme.
My daily drivers are Mazda CX-5 AWD diesel and Hyundai Ionic EV. For city driving Ionic is my choice and for longer trips CX-5. Anyway, it's even cheaper than CCS charged EV drive. And no stress, always +1000 km range. EV UA-camrs are more eating than driving because EV is city car. Like in the end Rebecca told these facts. 😊
Because there is an message to be spread, which is that ICE vehicles are better than EVs. It may not be true, but that is what they want you to believe.
So my paid for civic type R with 44,000 on the clock averages more than that BMW shed , is comfortable and would beat either on cost that’s for sure … I’d never purchase an EV anyway but at least I now understand all £100,000 of debt gets you is range anxiety ( I’m taking the car to como in Italy for a wedding shortly and I wouldn’t dream of doing same in the Porsche )
@grahamleiper1538 It's not really worth doing a test like that, because everyone knows the result and accepts it. The tests try to show that long-distance trips, with public charging, aren't impossible. Which is the main gripe of none EV people.
This is nonsense. Ive done london to glasgow dozens of times in tesla and ice. 410 miles. If you have no issues… roadworks etc then literally the difference in time is 100% the charge time which is about 30-40 mins.
A similar test as been done like this by the macmaster in his 3 year old taycan EV on a longer trip versus a old BMW diesel the BMW won easily in cost and time and the taycan cost him £130,000 new and now valued at £30,000 in 3 years you must be rich stopping at tebay services,
Instead of the x7 a 5 series would be better and would be more comfortable than a suv and better handling and fuel economy. Also do Porsche supply the ev specialist to sit on the back seat to guide you , is that included or a Porsche Option ? Why do I need to plan my journey, I want to get to destination as soon as possible and I don’t enjoy hanging around motorway services , and why on all ev test is the people always dressed up as if they going to explore the North Pole . On a long journey you want to be comfortable and enjoy the nice heated seats using all the toys and not worrying about the range anxiety. Then again it was a good test as Porsche are sending letters out saying don’t charge at home or in a confined space or nr buildings . So using outside chargers is a good thing . Though expensive, also we know the environmental impact of building evs compared to ice and how long it takes to zero out against each other . I don’t want any DM Motorpoint you can reply on hear as I am sure there’s lots of people who like to see your view .
If one can afford either a Taycan or a X7, I don't think, that the cost of fuel or charging plays any role 🤷♂️ I think comfort and travel time are way more important...
There are some comforts that come with an EV that are non obvious before owning one, charging at home and always leaving with a full charge, be able to ”keep climate” when going in to a store, preheating the car from the app instead of clearing windows from ice etc etc
So depends on what a person sees as most important for comfort
@@anton_grahnDepends on your ability to charge at home. Not everyone has the ability to do so. In such a case, the EV loses every time.
@@anton_grahnI don’t think anyone regardless of caliber would consider the headache of thinking of where to charge during a road trip as a positive
@@Nite-owl Agreed, home or work charging is essential
@@Nite-owl Why would the EV loose? Well I guess in the UK if people are stupid and use the expensive CPOs. Here I save roughly 40% on fuel expenses vs my old diesel with only DC charging.
Stopped watching at 9:00. As the diesel driver drives on on a mission, the EV driver is stopping for a second breakfast but couldn’t bother to time it with a charging station when you know you would have to add at least two charging stations along the way? Even knowing that diesel was going to win, the comparison of diesel versus EV was at least going to be interesting. But this wasn’t it. This was driver A pushing hard to a destination vs Driver B stopping to eat extra meals and do some shopping.
Lets be real here, even if we swap the drivers into the different cars, the outcome will still be the same. maybe the time difference will be smaller but ultimately the EV needs to stop and charge
@@user-sf5bt8eb4y except it would have been a lot more interesting to watch. If say the diesel driver had driven the EV instead with the same dedication. Driving the Taycan down to 0% SOC and charging it back up in five minutes only on the 0-20% charge curve, which happens at over 300 kilowatts. And the diesel driver could have been switched so that the diesel drive is lackadaisical and take additional breakfast stops and shopping. I bet even then the diesel might win, but it would be a lot more interesting challenge instead of saddling the slower EV with an even slower driver.
@@Jeddinfirstly , we both agree however you flip it, the EV is going to lose, so there won’t be any difference regardless who’s driving
Secondly, fact is if anyone is to drive a diesel , they would never have done 4 stops for this trip. Also, I suspect the “extra lunch or stretching” is just an excuse/replacement for “we need to stop and charge this thing”
@@user-sf5bt8eb4y The Taycan charges so fast that there is usually not enough time to pee and eat something. So in reality there should be no difference. If it is the reason is the bad charging infrastructure in UK. In Germany I need the same time from Lake of Constance to Hamburg (520 miles) with the EV or the Diesel.
@@madmikesch2453 yes that’s correct. If both cars had done a 1 stop trip with a toilet break of 10 to 15 mins they would arrive at the same time. You don’t sit and wait to charge on a long trip. You just park in a different place, plug it in and head to the services. The only time it makes a difference is if you don’t stop at all, then the EV will be 10 minutes behind.
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use something like a BMW 5 series saloon instead of the X7? The X7 and the Taycan are two completely different car categories.
By the way, EVs bore me to death. I love a straight six.
We did it based on price - both are £100k cars. We'll get better for the next one though! -Tim
I couldn’t care less how good an electric car is I will stick to petrol or diesel cars you cannot beat them.
There is a voice of reason - open minded, going with... oh, wait...
So your “EV expert” took the Taycan to a Tesla supercharger which is a 400 volt charger and said it’s a 250kw changer? The Taycan is an 800 volt car, it won’t charge at full rate at that charger. An expert would know that. Should have just trusted the software and stopped where it said. It would have done it in 1 change while you had a 10 min break. EVs aren’t for everyone and have limitations, especially for towing but his is not how living with one is. Most of the time I’m rushing back to the car cos it charges faster than I can pee.
totally agree, that 'expert' was just probably someone from the office that has an EV, probably a Model 3
Would have been dearer though. Lot of 800V cars use Tesla superchargers because of the price difference, even if it means a low charge rate.
You beat me to it... Should've just let the car do it's thing and navigate to an ionity.
You're mixing up units. kWh is a meausre of energy (i.e. your battery capacity). kW is the _rate_ of energy transfer (i.e. your charging speed).
The voltage alone - be that 400V or 4V - tells you NOTHING about how fast the car charges.
@henryviiifake8244 no. An 800V architecture car can only charge at 300+kW on an 800V charger. They're less than half that rate on 400V chargers because they have to mediate between the battery and the charger.
Same is true the other way. 800V (350kW) chargers are current limited and will only do 170kW on 400V cars.
The electric car needed an expert in the back to make sure all was well. I don't want to work out every little detail when i go anywhere, i just want to get in and go
You don't, buy a Tesla, works everything out for your journey.
Then buy a NIO, battery swap in 3 minutes. ❤
It didn't need that to make the journey, they just chose to invite him along.
@@amato5232 they made a big issue about that in the video but this is just BS. He made things worse. That car is one of the fastest charging cars if you just put the destination in the satnav. Stop where it says and you’ll not lose any time. In the US they tested it against an ICE car over a 3000 mile road trip. It was only just over 2 hours behind over that distance. Should have easily kept up over 400 miles.
@@imprezaaudibut i want to be in control not a poxy computer in a milk float , why is that so hard for you people to understand
Baffles me why you didn't do this in much more affordable cars! my 2004 Seat Ibiza 1.9TDI is still going strong with 239.600 miles on the clock, cheap to insure, cheap to run and cheap to repair, = cheap motoring that works, i don't have to do any stupid planning for stops either.
usual complete crap Mr Taylor, get them to actually buy them and run for a year! no leasing, actual real world stuff, i just said fk it and bought an old diesel jetta. no regrets.
Its affordable to sit on the driveway where you can sorn it etc.
But generally you'll be spending much more on fuel costs through the year, and servicing, taxes, etc.
Because its and advert for motorpoint. They arent selling 240k mile seat 1.9s
@@ptaylor5014 I agree. The savage depreciation on an EV (and the expensive insurance) will cost way more than any cost in fuel. As well as avoiding any range anxiety!
@@makkapacca We aren't selling £100k X7s or Taycans either. We're here to inform/entertain on YT, not sell cars! At least not that I've been told… -Tim
A good one to test for this would be the Kia EV 3 (with the bigger battery) against an Audi A3 with the diesel engine. They would both be circa 36k specced up and so it would be interesting to see a review of how they compare both around town and on a long trip.
Good shout! -Tim
I have an EV9 which costs about £35 a month to travel 1,200 miles per month locally using cheap rate overnight charging at home. I regularly drive Glasgow to Leicester with one 20 minute charge stop each way plus a 90% charge at the office for an additional charging cost of about £85 for the round trip. That amounts to about £120 for 2,000 miles driven in a car the size of a Range Rover. I like not having to stand at a fuel pump, especially in cold or wet weather, and not having to queue to pay for fuel. En route charging hasn’t been an issue since more charging stations have come online except once when many of the dispensers lost their cables due to theft. I couldn’t be happier with the Kia, but I accept that my use case would not suit every driver. That said, it’s obvious that electric vehicles are improving rapidly and will eventually be the best choice for most drivers.
The situation at the moment is rather like that of the late nineteenth century as internal combustion cars began to appear. They were reviled as being expensive and dangerous and many argued that horses would always be the best mode of travel, whilst others thought the horse would be redundant. In fact, whilst cars proliferated, horses were still in regular transport roles for another forty years and now, more than a century later, horse racing is still a popular thing. We won’t see the end of the internal combustion engine for a very long time, perhaps never, but electric vehicles are here to stay..
How much more expensive than the equivalent petrol?
It’s roughly the equivalent of a Range Rover in size and comfort, but arguably much more reliable. One of those with equivalent specification would be well over £100,000, £25,000 more expensive than the Kia. In terms of fuel the only comparison I have is my Land Rover Discovery 4 which manages about 28 miles to the gallon and costs approximately four times as much to fuel.
@@chrisbeale9022 to the same equivalent KIA
@@tmm5ive There isn't an equivalent KIA ICE vehicle sold in the UK however they make the Telluride, which is similar in size, for the US market which is priced at $60k fully loaded. If it were to be sold in the UK it would be priced in the £65-£70 range.
@@chrisbeale9022😂😂😂please don't compare a kia to a range rover,
I'm not a fan of RR but for gods sake get a clue before commenting
You dragged around an extra person in the Taycan for what? To make every possible poor decision? 😂 Of course the car which is stopping so the driver can go shopping several times will be slower on a journey than the guy who’s hell bent on winning the race.
Also, I’d have stopped once for 20 mins in my Polestar 2 on that journey - or perhaps 2x 10 min stops as and when my bladder/stomach dictates. Doesn’t seem much of a hardship on a 7-8hr journey. An EV hasn’t changed or complicated my long journeys whatsoever, except for making them smoother, quicker and quieter.
Also, I’ve never come across a broken charger on my travels up and down the length of the UK. Either I’m exceptionally lucky or there’s something a little suspicious about almost every EV long journey test encountering the problem.
The diesel driver simply did what most drivers would do on that journey - press on and get there with minimum fuss. The EV driver, on the other hand, despite having an 'expert' on board, just seemed intent on wasting time. Stopping at Tebay without charging and then diverting miles off route to a busy shopping centre for a slightly cheaper charger.
I think you are slightly lucky - at Gordano Service station one of the two Gridserve chargers has been out of commission for quite some time - a month or more, I think.
@@steveknight878 Perhaps. Who could say for certain? I just let my car’s built in Google Maps sat nav do the work and only deviate from that if I already know of some better chargers. If the charger doesn’t work for whatever reason, the built in sat nav knows and automatically avoids it.
@@S4MM7ify I agree with you - generally there are plenty of working chargers. I just think that you are (slightly) lucky in never seeing any non-working chargers.
Yes it would be an interesting video testing two £20,000 cars.
Yes if one was a used model 3. Or maybe a brand new MG4
In my opinion like others have said of you can afford a 100k + deisel or electric car fuel or electric won't be an issue in view of cost, but what I would like to see is a more affordable duel as I did enjoy the video 🎅👏👍
Thank you! We’ll do a more affordable version in the new year
@@motorpoint Something in the 40-50k range is probably more sensible.
@@motorpointI would love to see a more realistic version of this comparison too!
I don’t think the vast majority of people out here are driving or looking to buy 100grand cars
This is a flawed argument. People who drive such cars also have other financial priorities and may prefer to save on BIK and cost of running for majority of their driving. Apply the longer term saving elsewhere
While the trip is easy achieved in the Porches, I like to get the journey over with, and with certainty of timing and delays. So, I guess for me it would be the X7.
But how often do you need to drive this far? 99% of EV owners DC charge a few times a year if going on longer trips because the regular use is done with home charging. And with experience charging breaks are done while on a food/toilet break anyway.
@Gazer75 I agree with your sentiment that mirrors Tim's. I just said that in the scenario presented, the diesel would be my 1st choice.
Horses for courses. I have a Mini electric for city shopping, with a home three phase charger run from solar panels. I have had the car for three years and have never used a commercial charging point. Also have a D300 Discovery for long distance, load carrying, towing and when road conditions demand. Average use over the last three years is 5000 for the Mini and 10000 for the Disco - even though the Mini is used much more frequently.
There really is no substitute for simplicity and convenience. With a diesel I generally have enough range for any long journey and I can just get in and go. If I don't have the range, it is a matter of 3 - 5 minutes to resolve. Also, I don't have to plan and strategize every journey like a military operation, I simply stop for a break when I feel the need.
@@Twmpa So are you able to drive from full tank to empty on that diesel without stopping at all? I guess you eat in the car and pee in a bottle? :P How often do you need this range?
There is a reason truck drivers need to rest after 4 hours of driving.
There are EVs on the market (not breaking the bank) able to do 350-400km on 80% of the battery in winter. A 20-30 minute stop every 3-4 hours is pretty nice actually. You'd be surprised how much a toilet break eats up of those minutes.
And why do you need to plan so much? Any good EV will know where the chargers are.
I know roughly were chargers are around here and if not it takes me
You said 420 miles range on the taycan but stopped 4 times on a 450 mile trip?
the so called 'electric car expert' should have advised a quick top up at Gretna on the 800v IONITY and not at a 400v Tesla charger which will only charge the Taycan at a max of 150kw, if i'd been driving there is no way the gap would have been 90 mins and the cost would have been a lot less using a subscription as most EV drivers will have. I can get my E-Tron GT from Manchester to Benidorm for a little over £100, yes granted charging in France is cheaper but there is no way an ICE can do it for that price.
Check out JoeAchilles on here, he's done London to Rome on one tank of diesel in a BMW 7 series. He even did 1500 miles in a diesel Passat from Africa to London on one tank. So yes, an ICE can do even better than an EV 😂
@@Nite-owlno thanks. I’d rather chew glass 😂😂
It depends. I leave Glasgow with a full battery and need only 15min top-up at Ionity 49p/kW to reach the office 365 miles away. I charge to full there at 28p/kW and have another 15min top up on the way home.
That is only an occasional 700 mile round trip. The rest of the time I’m driving in the Scottish lowlands at 8p/kW.
Best stop trying to prove that good EV’s are costly to run - they aren’t, unless IQ has something to do with it.
Hilarious !!! I can home charge for blah blah blah at home lol. Meanwhile it's losing £100s a week sat on my drive. Porsche taycan for instance is averaging £650 a week in depreciation great value eh !!!
@@CarlWard-i7l Yeah, but the EV9 is great car which I’ll be enjoying for a few years under full warranty and I’m very happy. Your point is what? That you think I’m worse off than if I’d bought a Q8? Blah!
@@chrisbeale9022 thanks for the laugh
@@CarlWard-i7l And how much is the BMW losing?
@@CarlWard-i7l so you are saying they are a good used buy then? I bought an second hand Enyaq for 16k and have had the same good experience as Chris. The thing is, it will have paid for itself in 8 years on fuel savings alone, not including money on brakes, cambelts, oil changes etc etc.
Taycan will depreciate massively and not many people can afford 100 grand cars and not ordinary people can afford basic electric cars as they are so pricey as well I’ll stick with my diesel for now and see how it goes with Road tax hikes
The Road Tax is really creating up. At least the prices of fuel have come down a fair bit. It's still 4x the cost if I drive the diesel instead of the EV
The depreciation on a BMW X7 isn't going to be much fun either.
So you’re saying they’re too expensive new and depreciate a lot and are still too expensive. I suggest you get a better job 😂😂😂
438 only need one charge 🤦♂️ if she want to win she should have made at least 300 miles with the first charge, then make one charge and would be enough to arrive, 4 charging stops is crazy, max she needs is 2 charging stops of 10 minutes our only 1 but more time
The idea of a comparing two more affordable cars is good, something like a VW Golf and VW ID3.
Tesla Chargers with a 800V car is a very bad idea. Somebody missed the physics lessons in school. That cuts the charging speed of the Taycan more than half
Yeah I'd have done the ionity nearby. In the time you'd done that stop easy at 80%
You got to near Gretna with 185 range left.
From Motorpoint Glasgow to just before Gretna is 78 miles. That's a total of 263 miles.
So where is this 430 odd mile range then ?
Cant beat diesel..
i bet someone with asthma would disagree
For long journeys I totally agree 😊
On a road trip. Rest of the year, easily.
Mine almost chokes me out with fumes in the whole area everytime I run the engine. The the diesel exhaust gases always smell this bad ? I just don't remember it being like that before.
The diesel would beat the asthmatic, so yes.
Does the tycan come with an advisor as standard?
@@ronaldgoddard9733 yes it’s called a satnav. Would’ve guided her perfectly with only one charging stop. That so-called expert gave her all the wrong advice including directing her to a Tesla charger, which the Taycan isn’t even capable of utilizing efficiently as an 800 V vehicle on a 400 V charger. Something you would think an expert would know.
How much does it cost to replace the high voltage battery in the Taycan when it finally packs it in?
By the time the battery packs it in, you'll have already sold the car and upgraded to something else.
There are current EVs driving round today with over 200k on there original batteries. Battery replacement costs but so does a new engine. Individual cells or groups can also be replaced rather than the whole battery.
Not as much as the x7 engine when either the chain let's go or its sucks in bits from one of those turbos 4:30
If 450hb can do 4.8 to 60, do we really need an 1100hp version on the roads? I think the numbers are getting a bit to out of control today.
I have no idea how much the porsche or the BMW cost. But I'm guessing over £100000 each. It doesn't matter what the outcome is, average buyers won't be using one of these for their long motorway holiday trips.
We're going to repeat it in more affordable cars soon, we just wanted to see what the latest and greatest expensive EV could do first... -Tim
@@motorpointtry a different ‘expert’ next time 😂😂😂
Oh my word, Rebecca on a road trip and Tim on a minimal comfort break trip. It was lost from Motorpoint Glasgow. Wrong EV if you want regular reliable and fast charging, only one choice a Tesla! I bet if you had changed cars Tim would have won by the same margin driving the porker.
Do the same test with the same cars 1 year from now, and take depreciation into account with the true cost.
The X7 will be worth around £75k with average mileage and the Taycan will be worth £50-60k, makes a big difference.
Taycan takes 3 years to get to £60k
Diesel is king for people with brains. Also, the careless traveling ICE offers is more luxurious. Having anxiety about range and charging is anything but luxurious.
Anyone with lesser-functioning brains. Those with higher-functioning brains realize the range ability of diesel is never needed. Who drives for 8 hours straight? The Taycan can drive 300 miles and recoup 70% capacity in 14 mins. As we saw here, even with taking her time, the Taycan made it with little delay on a journey longer than most people would normally be taking.
Spot on 😊
If I swapped to a diesel from my EV it would double my household electricity bill and quadruple my vehicle fuel cost, my brain tells me to stay with my EV. It's all thanks to Octopus energy and their intelligent Go electricity tariff and Renault for making the sensible and efficient Zoe 50 EV.
@@leegoodman297 so tell me what do the intelligent ones do without a drive or private parking space ? , and no access to any of these facilities. With ev we have created a problem that didn't exist and now have to solve ....now is that really smart !
@@Wroe
No shit sherlock.
Before petrol we didn't have the problem of air pollution and oil pollution.
Solving space for EVs is easier, if China can do it then the West should.
Was the price for the EV calculated only from the DC fast charging? A fully charged EV at home would be dirt cheap.
is it the sound mix or is the taycan really loud on the inside compared to the bmw?
When you're 'on a run', each and every mile in that BMW will cost you 16 pence. but when you're only driving around town it's bound to cost even more.
Whereas with the EV, you'll only need to pay Rapid charger prices when you're on a long-distance drive (beyond the range of the car). Every other mile will be 2 or 3 pence per mile.
So over the course of a year, I wonder how many hours you would have to work. Just to be able to fill up in 2 minutes.
Don’t scare the Luddite’s with common sense
They should load both with luggage and a couple of people, too many reviews negate this fact and would be more “realistic”…..enjoyed the review nevertheless Rebecca and Tim are a great combo.
Thank you! We’ll revisit this in the new year and take feedback on board! -Tim
@ Also, 100% kudos to listening to “Real Dictators” nothing like a McGann read Pod on mass murders and tyrants.
Nice one both of you and very interesting. One of my sons travels that distance to Scotland and back every month to see his children and currently drives a 3ltr diesel BMW 5 estate with an average mpg of +50, oddly real world stuff Tim :)
Tim’s metaphors and innuendos are unmatched
You made a video about how big the fuel tank on a diesel ICE is? Why?
It was downhill all the way too, which helped 😮
Forgot to mention that!
Be honest Tim, if it was your partner in the passenger seat and your girls in the back, would you have gone 3hrs before the first stop with it only taking 5mins?
Haha no. But they weren’t there! I’d do a version of this video with kids as a factor but it’d be a darn sight longer than 22 minutes… -Tim
My latest journey from Wigan to northern Greece, two thousand miles to go and 2k more to return, with my wife, son, daughter in law and a big labrador showed me that I made a huge mistake that I heard them and didn't drive my Tesla and instead I drove my son's Ford Ecosport. First of all, we had to stop every 2 hours. Somebody wanted to pee, then after two hours somnebody was hungry etc. Tesla wouldn't need a charge so often. Second and most important, my Tesla has autopilot, and the Ford doesn't even have a cruise control. We forgot the word comfort in the Ford, it is a B segment city SUV. Even the cost wouldn't be higher with the Tesla, especially with Germany's diesel prices on the motorways. We paid 2.1 euros/liter!!!!! The power at superchargers in Europe is cheaper than in the UK. I regreted it so hard, I was the one that drove for almost 30 hours and I couldn't have my car because they have range anxiety. That's exactly what happens at people that never drove an EV.
I recently drove to Portsmouth & back from North Manchester in a Renault Zoe. I also charged at Trentham Gardens & at a Tesla Supercharger just off the M40 near Banbury
Did she top up at the end aswell.
Then when you come to sell either car?
Would love for one of these to time it where the driver of the diesel is driving with their partner who doesn’t know it’s a race and see how long it takes. Pretty sure “we are going to drive the length of the country, don’t worry there is some Kendal mint cake in the glovebox” would result in instant refusal from any reasonable person who wasn’t being competitive
Interesting result but all these big trip videos tend to do N S or S N I think it would be more interesting to do E W say Aberystwyth to Southwold or something like that. Much less motorway although A14 pretty much is.
I like the sound of this - the wilds of Norfolk need a visit! -Tim
I love it how the youtubers have to pick 400-500 mile journeys. I do not see comparisons of them going from their home in Edinburgh to Glasgow daily and then compare the cost etc . I can just imagine the groans from the ICE drivers if this was done in the middle of a petrol/diesel shortage, which will probably come in 2025 ! A neighbour of mine was crying that an EV would only give her 230 miles range, I asked her if she now drives further than the 45 miles to Troon, NO ! My little ICE car only does about 160 miles to the tank, it only holds 5 gallons
"We're gonna be averaging 40mpg"
*3 mins later*
"We're averaging 32mpg"
If tou put this trip on ABRP with Porsche Taycan you get around 7 hours of travel time with a total of 20 minutes charge
and a 5 series would be even better than a ridiculous X7
We were trying to use cars that cost the same. An ICE 5 Series is a lot cheaper than a Taycan -Tim
@@motorpoint yes I saw that explanation later thanks
Would have been interesting to see this in a non-SUV but plain estate/hatchback too. 40mpg is pretty poor - I'd be aiming closer to 70mpg on motorway runs
For those of us in the "normal world" how about the comparison between a 1.8 Prius and a Dacia diesel perhaps.
You should have used a 7 series diesel which is more economical and comparable
Had a regular run, Croydon to Glasgow in a van limited to 68mph. Amazing how many Taycans and Teslas that I smoked 😅
Brilliant that they do the test in cars that cost around a 100k each. It’s not real world for most people. And unless you fudge it a bit the diesel will win hands down every time on a long run.
X7 the biggest SUV Vs best performance electric Porsche
Take Passat and on one tank going Glasgow and back
The £63 for the EV was how much the journey cost without then charging it to full, the BMW not only was so far ahead but full up and ready to go again and cost £73 with a full tank. So the EV cost more and was late.
This is why we opted to use EV for our city car and keep diesel SUV. We do a longer trips every other month and anything over 150km in one way is simply not possible with EV without planning ahead… with kids, luggage and everything else, planning which chargers to use and which to be used as a backup is simply an additional hassle that we really don’t need. No Tesla is not an option as they are simply put bad as a car. We looked at iX and eqe suv but decided on GLE.
Great video. Love the X7 👍🏻
Vehicle technology looks like it's there. The let down for an all electric car roll out is and will be the lack of infrastructure.
Ev just don't work for uk, flats, terraced housing, long journeys where you just want to get to where you want to go... finally, why would you want a car that basically determines when you have to stop rather than the human
EV don't work full stop
Any car determines when you have to stop, unless you think that ICE cars can achieve perpetual motion or create their own energy from nothing? An ICE car has a bigger fuel tank than an EV. That's the only reason it goes further.
don't work for long journeys bollocks, my many long EU road trips says otherwise and since going EV i now always arrive a LOT less tired
This was hilarious well done team
What about the depreciation ?
Real life story i read on one of these taycan was people going a day trip which should have been 8 hours but they couldn't find a working fast charger except by going an hour in the wrong direction then found a queue there added 4 or 5 hours to the day iirc not what you spend 100k to experience
A friend of a friend of mine is still in his EV trying to find a working charger. It's been 3 days so far.
@Tim - Where did you get your jacket from please? ❤thank you ◡̈
Levis-Tim
At higher speeds which are normal around Europe difference would be much bigger in time and money. You could do it in a petrol Dacia against any EV.
Acceleration and top speed is totally ridiculous criteria but the EV makers thought of that first. The Diesel took probably no more than 10 minutes to top up and drive away the Tycan well, add another hour or two to the journey standing around and trying to look like you don't care.
Strange - I have never seen anyone standing around while their EV is charging.
(I think I have the answer for post 2030 EV buyers) order the tow bar option for your new EV and then buy a small trailer, big enough for 10kw diesel generator. Attach the trailer to the back of your EV start up the diesel generator and plug in the charging cable. Range problems solved!
If your doing big milage in a year the diesel is king. Plus better resale value at the moment.
Normally I'd choose ICE over EV for a long road trip, but I wouldn't pass a loose turd over a luxury SUV, especially a BMW X-series 😁
Haha -Tim
Only way is up. Next year, we need a Rolls Royce Spectre.
I drove my short range Polestar2 from Glasgow to Nottingham with one 15 minute stop, in -9C when I set off. I never had range anxiety, as the google software predicts to within 1 percent accuracy, and adjusts if needed. Its really very easy…you say hey google, take me home….no experts required. Why the obsession with testing the least efficient short range ev out there…compare that with a 5l petrol ford mustang.
The depreciation of that EV is absolutely insane about 90k over 3 years, mind-boggling.
This has been done already with a old diesel BMW 3 series vs a Taycan doing the same route. Diesel was better at the journey than the EV.
Lucky boy Tim, working with the lovely Rebecca
WHY DOES THE X7 BLOKE LOOK LIKE TYSON FURY LOL WITH HIS SUNGLASSES ON 😂
Geez - it blows my mind that BMW can produce things as nice looking as the current x5 and 3 series, then come out with things as hideous as that X7 and i7...absolutely horrendous
I agree, but having spent a few days with one I’m totally converted and want one! -Tim
Just write "I don't like the design". That's all your comment tells us.
And nobody forces you to buy one. Good news, isn't it?
@gerohubner5101 thats fantastic news!
Most people won't have access to their own private EV charging points and would have to rely on expensive public chargers (when available). Therefore I can't ever see more than a small percentage of the population owning an EV.
More than 60% of the uk do have off street parking. It does make a big difference to the convenience and cost for those but others have workplace changing which works just as well. So when you say most that FUD.
Actually it's the majority in the UK population that would meet your criterial of having access to off-street parking able to privately charge. The UK average is circa 60 to 70% of households have off-street parking access, once the 20% of non-driving households plus multi-car owning households are factored in. In England for example, the average for those households without access to off-street parking is 24%, raising to a peak of 36% in some urban settings; giving 74% average with access, lowering to 64% in urban settings. These figures also don't factor in those with access to charging at work nor those with company car / automaker charging cards. (Source: UK government, RAC and charging access NGOs).
Another thing to take into account is that widespread EV ownership would also require a massive increase in electricity generating capacity (more power stations) in the national grid to meet the higher demand. Since there are no plans to build more power stations (especially nuclear) there's likely to be a shortage of electricity in the future with a possibility of brown outs or even black outs as power generating companies start rationing the supply (and hike the cost).
@@DJDinaggio so you moved from one EV myth to another. The nation grid requires less power now that it did in the past. It’s a transition and they are planning for mass EV ownership. It doesn’t happen overnight. Rather than post this rubbish that you’ve seen others doing why don’t you go and educate yourself. The little book of EV myths is a good start.
@@DJDinaggio - The National Grid (NG) have stated that the extra energy demand for widespread EV ownership is a very managable target, being only a 10% increase (not a massive one as you've claimed). Perhaps you're confused with the NG having stated that there is a much bigger picture of ramping up electrical power generation to support the rapid electrification of industry and domestic (heating/cooking) energy use in the UK, displacing a significant chunk of oil and gas usage. Of course, what with 90GW of new renewable generation capacity in the pipeline to be deployed by 2030, plus the 860 grid scale battery systems being deployed alongside, then the risk of outage is fairly low; certainly improving on what has been a more precarious internationally exposed situation with oil and gas supply and generation in the past.
Correction: oil doesn’t come from “dinosaur juice”, it comes from algae.
Correction - not algae nor dinosaurs. Plants.
@ I was right the first time. But thanks for your input
I thought all electric cars had green on the number plate?
Great video, genuinely useful - the issue as you point out is that both are v expensive. My EV issue is I live in a City with on street parking so no garage / charging access apart from lamp posts - which doesn’t work if everyone has an EV. So I have just ordered another petrol car…
Everyone doesn't have an EV. If you don't want an EV, don't get one.
@@oldgit15which is why I have ordered a petrol car - as I said above. Maybe you missed that ?
But suppose i want to go the scenic route not on the motorway...no chargers so its no contest.
there are more chargers than petrol stations, a lot more
@@thelifeofbatteries2603 😆 1× petrol station =20+ pumps each capable of filling a car in 5 minutes, your reply was perfect ev misinformation 👅
Well just let the customer decide what to use and do not impose us to use EV!
Went to visit my daughter for Christmas and my 2ltr diesel Octavia returned 70.8 mpg over a trip of approximately 315 miles.
Drive in Eco and learn to drive like a chauffeur.
No planning needed and I fill when I decide not the car as with EV’s.
Cool. Too bad your daughter will have warmer and warmer Christmas days due to the continued pollution of ICE cars.
@ Fool.
@@Jeroenneman But the most environmentally friendly car you’ll ever own is the one you have. Replacing a newish super efficient diesel with the equivalent EV makes no sense. The change is being rushed which is damaging the environment because Politicians are scrounging votes.
Driving sensibly in a diesel is a staggeringly efficient way to do long journeys. They are the pinnacle of ICE engineering yet are being scrapped. Madness.
I would like to see the same test with a Nissan leaf or BYD atto versus the diesel…
I’ve got to drive down to Chichester from Stirling and I’m doing it in a very comfy Discovery 4 3 litre v6
Let me guess, it never breaks down and does 60mpg?!
If only most folk could choose between either of these technological behemoths for that long journey do it in a corsa I willing thst much more relevant.
Drive an EV if you like or drive a combustion car, it depends on your individual use case. If you have the facility to charge at home, overnight, it’s much much cheaper than diesel for fuel and servicing. The government’s of the world are taxing and legislating combustion vehicles off the roads, so enjoy combustion cars while you still can.
Would be more realistic and useful if it was a petrol hybrid ‘average’ car against an equivalent EV car, who the hell could afford the types of vehicles used in this programme.
My daily drivers are Mazda CX-5 AWD diesel and Hyundai Ionic EV. For city driving Ionic is my choice and for longer trips CX-5. Anyway, it's even cheaper than CCS charged EV drive. And no stress, always +1000 km range. EV UA-camrs are more eating than driving because EV is city car. Like in the end Rebecca told these facts. 😊
I don’t know why these type of films always make driving an EV harder than it needs to be. Why bring an “expert” or make so many stops…
Because there is an message to be spread, which is that ICE vehicles are better than EVs. It may not be true, but that is what they want you to believe.
Does the ev expert come with the electric car?
So my paid for civic type R with 44,000 on the clock averages more than that BMW shed , is comfortable and would beat either on cost that’s for sure … I’d never purchase an EV anyway but at least I now understand all £100,000 of debt gets you is range anxiety ( I’m taking the car to como in Italy for a wedding shortly and I wouldn’t dream of doing same in the Porsche )
If I can afford an expensive car do you really think I am going to care how much it cost me to run it.
Whenever ICE v BEV are tested like this, they should both start and end with a full tank and charge.
They should do it "real world". 100 miles a day, 5 days a week for a month, and allowing plugging in at home overnight.
@grahamleiper1538 It's not really worth doing a test like that, because everyone knows the result and accepts it. The tests try to show that long-distance trips, with public charging, aren't impossible. Which is the main gripe of none EV people.
@johngriffiths1480 you only get all the comments about "I'm keeping my diesel" because they haven't a clue about the savings the rest of the year.
whose idea was it to compare a sport sedan with a bloated suv?
This is nonsense. Ive done london to glasgow dozens of times in tesla and ice. 410 miles. If you have no issues… roadworks etc then literally the difference in time is 100% the charge time which is about 30-40 mins.
A similar test as been done like this by the macmaster in his 3 year old taycan EV on a longer trip versus a old BMW diesel the BMW won easily in cost and time and the taycan cost him £130,000 new and now valued at £30,000 in 3 years you must be rich stopping at tebay services,
In my 17 year old diesel xj i could on a good day get there and back on a tank....There is simply no contest.
Instead of the x7 a 5 series would be better and would be more comfortable than a suv and better handling and fuel economy. Also do Porsche supply the ev specialist to sit on the back seat to guide you , is that included or a Porsche Option ? Why do I need to plan my journey, I want to get to destination as soon as possible and I don’t enjoy hanging around motorway services , and why on all ev test is the people always dressed up as if they going to explore the North Pole . On a long journey you want to be comfortable and enjoy the nice heated seats using all the toys and not worrying about the range anxiety. Then again it was a good test as Porsche are sending letters out saying don’t charge at home or in a confined space or nr buildings . So using outside chargers is a good thing . Though expensive, also we know the environmental impact of building evs compared to ice and how long it takes to zero out against each other . I don’t want any DM Motorpoint you can reply on hear as I am sure there’s lots of people who like to see your view .
EVs are fine if you can charge at home and if you own another car, preferably a diesel, for long trips and holidays in North Wales.
It’s amazing - pitching one of the most horrible electric car against a diesel- this is not a fair comparison
Is it just me or does the porsche & tesla kind of make you have to use the nav, in order to know where the chargers are? Hate using sat navs