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Turning a 13 minute video into an hour, truly a x4 engineer!
skill issue, still far away from 100x engineer
1/5x engineer
these videos are easily the best
I mean, at least he is adding a lot of his own content. Unlike Theo who just blatantly rips off others.
If you are being serious, it’s Prime’s job to add to a video and not just give some empty reaction like the average reaction streamer does. If you want to watch the 13 minute video then you can just watch it.
After 50 years, I still like what I do. The programming flows, the engagement is the problem solving. From solving the conceptual problems in the design phases, to fixing a test that broke, they are all puzzle games. And the sense of satisfied accomplishment of building something that works.
That's what attracted me to programming
I can't imagine myself doing any other thing
I'd add that it becomes even better if you are solving real problems for real users. It's really satisfying to solve the problem, but it's even better when your solution makes somebody else happy.
The best compliment I've ever gotten was a user telling me they where about to quit because the work was so annoying but they decided to stay after our software was rolled out and that made the job so much more pleasant. That's when I decided never to work in a job where the actual users are hidden behind a layer of business analysts and product owners.
50 Years! I draw my hat to you Sir.
You are absolutely correct. In addition, it hardly gets boring. Technology is constantly evolving and so must we. It is a never ending stream of challanges and puzzles to be solved with our ever expanding toolbelt.
- What language / environment are best for the next project.
- When to employ a library or write something yourself.
- When to cut of compatibility for older systems.
- And of course. How to actually write the project within the constraints that are given.
Ah the dopamine rush. I feel ya. But nowadays, if I do lots of programming in a day, I'm recked in the evening, it takes it toll. Is it the same for you?
@@domagoj1978zagreb I do not have an issue with long coving sessions. When deep into a project I often do 12 hours a day and 70 hours a week. One of the benefits of working at home and having the kids grown.
I love how Flip sometimes removes stuff, sometimes doesn't. Yay for editorial control :)
prime: *talks about woman"
chat: "i'll fuck my codebase"
True desperation?
4d chess
If it's their own codebase, I believe them, that shit do be sexy
My codebase is totally fucked, so...
confession: every build, i strip my codebase and shove long, erected headers inside it. i can't help it, the indentation curves, the little tips poking out of the 100-character limit. my build system is my favourite sub(process).
I think it’s about a continuous learning mindset. I’ve seen some fellow engineers outright reject or refuse to use other languages because they aren’t comfortable with them.
If you’ve worked in a language for a while you are better able to determine how and when it can be a good tool. But not every tool needs to be written in a new language.
Shiny object syndrome and complacency are the extremes, a balance in the middle is sustainable and will help you succeed.
Do you have abs?
Boring = Predictable = Great in our line of work
No surprises are the correct amount of surprises.
I use arch btw
I use gentoo btw
I use btw
freebsd btw
@@anon-fz2bo very nice
Good for you buddy
I too was a sandwich artist in my teenage years. I just had a post-war style flashback when you mentioned working for Subway and using the tomato slicer.
No you didnt. A flashback? Thats only in movies bro.
I got flashbacks too. Anyone who hasn’t worked in the food service industry to pay for their bills can never understand…
flip KILLING ME with the cuts to the crowds
The Yava guy definitely was making pinpoint attacks to Primogen.
I think so, I mean, isn't Prime learning something new every day, month or year? he grabs some bites from Zig, ocaml, go, rust, js/ts, etc..., at the end, he is not proficient at anything, at least that's what he seems to portrait here on youtube, at least for me, I might be wrong. What is wrong is knowing really well your shit? what is wrong in having 5-10 years of experience working with Java and Angular for example, who cares if the VueJs becomes faster than Angular, or there is a React2 lib out there? Just pick already your damn stack, get proficient at it and start building your objective
@@madeOfClay99 Huh don't pretend to know the guy mate. Prime separates day job from stream. You have no clue how he's at work, there should be a reason he's still at netflix after all these years.
Streaming is just a way to monetize his hobby which is just learning random bullshit for just the sake of learning, he likes learning and trying out new stuff.
Rest of the argument is pretty weak mate, programming languages and frameworks are tools. It is your job as engineer to know how to pick the right one for a certain type of job you'll get commissioned for, to make it simple: you won't pick a bazooka to kill a fly, and you won't pick an insecticide to kill a bear.
There's nothing wrong with just knowing how to kill the flies right but it'll also be valuable for you, your peers and your bosses to know how to get rid of the bear, you feel me.
@@madeOfClay99 "not proficient at anything" is a wild take. Are you new here?
@@madeOfClay99 does it even make sense to call a guy "not proficient at anything" who has 20 years of programming experience and more than 10 years of that experience is from working in Netflix?
I went from machine code (yes, with a hex editor) to assembly to C 30 years ago. Every other high-level language after that was just pollution in the land of programming languages. Never got bored with C because the actual problems to solve are challenging and interesting. And because I don't waste my time chasing the latest toy programming language, I can focus on solving on those actual problems.
"But she is gonna be beautiful and amazing for the first 6 months." That is why Di Caprio constantly gets a new one.
I first started on Roblox when beginning out with programming when I was 13. It's genuinely an amazing platform with a pipeline of getting kids into creative fields like Modelling, Sound design and programming. I met many friends on there when I was younger who took these passions and made careers out of them including myself. Now I'm 7 years into a career having touched a multitude of languages.
I agree on Primes take on the balance of learning new things that come out and sticking to a single tech. I know devs that stick to one stack and their world view can be quite narrow.
Started with JS, then rushed into TS. The more I tried to absorb the JavaScript ecosystem, the more I started hating Front-End Web Dev.
So I decided to restart my tech journey in November last year by learning the basic properly. Things like Linux, Neovim, Bash, Python Automation, C, Rust. It sounds weird but I feel like this is the first year I'm truly learning how to learn and think like a programmer.
same. i started learning front-end by following react project tutorials on youtube. i always had a short dopamine hit after finishing a project this way. but after a week i forget most of the stuff and cannot redo the project without going back to the tutorial. this is the famous tutorial hell, and i think it is especially common for the front-end because computer science new grads didn't learn much javascript or react at college but they realized most of the companies are hiring for react developers; so to get a job in a short period of time, they tend to follow these tutorials and but don't really understand the fundamentals of web technologies. same applies to short-term bootcamp students. the constantly evolving front-end ecosystem only exaggerate this type of shallow learning and drags more people into the tutorial hell.
on the other hand, backend is more stable and require deeper understanding of the computer science fundamentals, such as dsa, operating systems, and computer networks, which not many bootcamps will teach since they require long-term commitment.
but front-end can be as interesting as the back-end as well. you just have to dig a bit deeper. for example, i found react virtual dom and javascript closures are a lot of fun to learn.
@@Albert-lp8ql This is why I dislike JavaScript in general. You are right about needing to know ReactJS (It is the King of Web dev like it or not).
However... This is the trap for newbies. React builds on top of regular JS! So if you don't take the time to learn it properly then when you get to React you are just copy coding. But at the same time you are tempted to jump straight into JS because #GetA6figureJobin3months.
And then you lose out on learning fundamental computer science things because now your life is just learning the JS ecosystem (node, bun, react, next etc).
every next year will feel the same, trust me bro
I've started with Delphi because that's what my father knew. It's a bit sad that Borland dropped the ball back then. It had a lot of potential.
After that, I've learned a bit Python, C(++) (can't remember which), and some PHP in the context of a classical LAMP with a CMS for our TF2 clan's website back then. Good times.
But what really sticked with me for a long time was C# in the context of Unity and especially when the free Community version came out.
Since then, I've dabbled in a lot of technologies (too much to list them here) so that I can stay flexible.
@@Mr_Yeah I feel you on Delphi. That was my first language. I still remember that blue IDE (don't know what it was called). And trying to make shapes change colour 😅
I started with Delphi because that was what my school offered at the time.
I think dabbling in different languages is essential. Each one shows you what you like and more importantly what you dislike.
respect to that guy who release a video with such a big typo inside. If that happened to me I would just have to do it over
What was the typo?
@@prico3358 noice - around 16:00
you say typo, I say free engagement
oh my god, the back and forth between screens, and it getting weirder at around 19:30 is just awesome!!!! Nice work flip hahahahhaha
When he says "Flip take this part out". Flip always makes sure it's a part of the video. Love it
"Vanilla" is a better word than "boring" to describe Go and Elden Ring.
Boring always has a negative connotation. Sometimes people will say it's good to be bored, but the message is pretty much always that it's good to actually live life and not be stimulated with entertainment all the time, not that boredom itself is good. Words like calm, tranquil, or reliable are what people use to describe things that are boring but don't have a negative connotation.
"Trusty" or "reliable" would also be good choices to describe Go or Fromsoft games. I like "trusty" more than "vanilla" now that I think about it, but I think "vanilla" is better at presenting the "no frills" or "nothing exciting" point you were making about them.
Vanilla wow mentioned.
How is fromsoft vanilla tho? They're constantly doing new stuff and mixing up the formula. Elden ring was the first time they or anyone did an open world souls game. Before that they did sekiro which was a complete departure from the souls formula and after that they made another mech game which is again completely different.
@@NihongoWakannai Like I said later in my comment, reliable or trusty might be a better adjective to use. I have a pretty positive reaction to "vanilla", but it's one of those words that some people might associate with "bad" even though it's like a go-to flavor for everything, and pretty much everyone likes it.
There's definitely something Fromsoft-like in Elden Ring, Bloodborne, and Sekiro -- even though they were all totally different in terms of setting and gameplay. Whatever that DNA that they all share is, it's good and it's reliably present in Fromsoft games. At least all the games made since DS2.
I never played the old Armored Core games, but from what I've heard the new one is like the older ones but better. I agree it's very different from the Souls/Sekiro games, but I still think the "good company makes good games" point still stands.
If "vanilla" isn't the right word to describe the sort of "good and reliable" trait that Go and Fromsoft have... I don't know, I'm sure there's a good word somewhere.
@@smokingiscool599 that's how every well managed game studio is like. They're making similar games because they know how to grow and maintain a team with very specialized knowledge on how to make that genre. When it comes to games, each genre is basically its own field of knowledge.
Baldur's gate 3 was so good precisely because Larian has many years of experience making CRPGs similar to BG3.
Persona is so great because of many years making JRPG Lifesims.
Monster hunter is great because of many years of making actiong games hunting big monsters.
Companies that don't maintain that knowledge base in their company, treat their employees like they're replaceable and rush too quickly into unknown territory are the ones releasing broken buggy messes.
Fromsoft is notable to me because of how much they *do* experiment whilst still maintaining pretty good quality and release schedule.
To me vanilla in tech has always been associated with "standard" and never with simple or boring. So vanilla seem a wrong word for a game where the gameplay becomes predictible after a few minutes.
I got my start with minecraft and java. I built a GMod-esk server with several custom plugins. When a player disconnected I would remove any blocks they placed. The block removal ran like crap and would lag the server but that's not my fault. Prime should have released his data structures and algorithms course on FEM 16 years earlier...
10 years in, still feels like I've never worked a day yet. Fun, fulfilling, fantastic every day.
you probably never worked a day yet
@@lokthar6314 hey don't be mean
You a bum?
The discussion about efficiency was really good. As an example, the most efficient way to eat food is to have tubes that directly push half digested food into our stomach. But, by being more efficient, we are losing the enjoyment that comes from chewing and savoring the meal. Same comes from preparing the food. It is faster to buy something ready. But cooking your own meal the way you enjoy the most can be far more rewarding.
Yes, but efficiency effects are noticed when observed on a long term. If you had an efficient way to shive food directly to the stomach.. the apparent loss is miniscupe in the long scheme of things.
All the benefits from time saved would be an absolute win.
@@prico3358 Nothing comes for free. There will be impact on the physical and mental health for that.
@@rumplstiltztinkerstein i might not have the words to explain the concept.
Imagine a butterfly effect that happens because of all the time saved from the entire food industry or feeding habits.
No mental health because we would have infinite energy and quantum computers etc etc.
@@prico3358 Why not have machines do the work and keep a healthy lifestyle? What is the point of getting more money if life is awful?
@@rumplstiltztinkerstein what i am saying is, human comulative energy is then distributed to other needs. Something so powerfull like the feeding system taken away from the equation, opens up other areas exponentionaly.
Its like saying in the past:
Whats the point of buying food in the supermarket if you are not gonna farm it and hunt it and enjoy the process, thats what eating is all about, its the farming and the hunting.
Zig aint trendy yet. When searching for Zig, you get zig-zag patterns
Lies. Top search result is zig programming language
Not just top search result - I've used _three_ search engines and all had the _whole page_ only results of the programming language.
@19:00 Flip earning his wage. LMAO thanks for that home skillet. On the big screen now Prime!!!! :)
In my experience satisfaction and joy come more from the process and being present in the day-to-day experience, than from the end product. If you create something great, you may get some satisfaction and adulation when it’s complete, but it’s fleeting and small in comparison to the time spent working towards it.
man I love these yapping episodes to fall asleep to
lol, great bit Fkip, it was just cheffs kiss to the whole vod.
Great video, lots of insights. Was worth it the 55mins 10/10, special shoutout to the funny editing :)
Your take on EFFICIENCY is one of the best things i've heard in years
Awesome content as always
5:08 The guy directly gave me PHP vibes. I knew it.
If you started 20 years ago you were probably doing PHP
"That's racist"
did you just assume his gender?!
Never use recursion unless you know the stack won't grow out of control, you don't need to be fast, and it would be much more complicated to fashion it into a loop instead. But man... a big brain recursion solution FEELS really good.
Spoken like a true champ.
You can just replace the recursive call with an explicit stack and an iterative loop that continues until the stack is empty.
I do plan to teach my children to use C. I've been debating whether or not to start at Python, but I think it's more important to understand computing than it is just to get something done quick.
I guess it depends on how young you will teach them and how much it's them that want to code or you pushing coding onto them. If their motivation doesn't come from them or if they're too young, having easy goals and wins at the beginning is important. Yes they might have a shaky foundation, but it's better than them just giving up on programing all together
Get those arduinos out too and have them build really cool robot toys and shit!
have you heard of arduino? microcontroller might be a good idea to look into
That goes against the spirit of Anthony GGs video, where he says you should have a goal in mind, some kind of project, and then use whatever language to finish it.
19:16 -> 19:32 is pure comedy gold. That is some good timed video editing comedy.
I was laughing my ass off during the whole section.
Kudos to you, sir.
This was one of your best videos. I’ve been a developer and later an architect for over 40 years now. It IS very important to understand what you value in your career. I’m not talking about setting a goal because often you’ll achieve that goal and then hate do you do. The goal has to be what gives you satisfaction. Not some discrete thing.
Zig as the new C? That's amazing! Thanks for the "pointer".
Learning about the efficiency part on your relationship a bit late can be trully painful, i totally agree with you, wish i was less dumb back then
One of my fav vids from you!
Finding this channel has helped reinvigorate my love of coding
came here for the programming advice, stayed for the life advice. love you prime and anthony
4:18 My little brother did a tiny bit of LUA for a Roblox game years ago and is currently developing plugins for his own Minecraft server. So he came into programming exactly the way you described, with LUA in Roblox and Java in Minecraft. But I got into programming a little earlier than him and through Python, which is still my strongest programming language, although I've also done a _ton_ of things in JS (but strictly browser-based JS).
Recently I've been reading issues and PRs on Rust, I don't understand a single thing, but I kind of enjoy it
My last year at IT school, the teacher just rapid fire made us build a back-end/front-end todo list with different language everyday.
The lesson was "don't get attached to syntax, just look for the principles the language is build on. Languages come and go, but principles remain"
Prime's frustration with the dull tomato cutter is the thing I related to most in this video.
I really liked the tv/cinema scenes that made everything seem so much worse haha nice work flip
man that Find Joy vs Expect Happiness point was great
I started my programming journey with the TI-83 Plus Silver edition (I was president of the calculator programming club and got ALL the ladies) a bunch of other stuff in HS. But my real programming leap was learning Java specifically for modding Minecraft when it was still in Alpha.
I also started out as a little TI BASIC enjoyer. Being able to automate math homework was a great motivator. My first major accomplishment was a program that did the quadratic formula and printed out all the steps so I could just copy it into my homework 😂.
I love seeing prime becoming a big zig fan at the same time that I got into zig
my goal rn is to implement a compiler that supports cross compilation written in Zig. rly hope i can accomplish it.
Really nice video! I like your views, always a pleasure to watch you. Greetings from Germany
If you want things to continue staying exiting you need to found your own company and keep a focus on building technical capital and minimizing technical debt.
I've been working in the company I cofounded for 8 years and love my job each and every single day.
As a long time Go dev, this is good to hear
"yava".....oh my goodness...love it...
Great video Primeagen! :)
I want to say morrowind was the first game I played that had level scaling. They didn't scale enemies every level but would replace spawns with stronger monsters 2 or 3 times.
Remember the first sword you pick up from a corpse that shoots lightning? Also, remember the water effect that reflected stuff?
omg, that tomato cutter was the f-ing worst 🫠
the tomatoes squashing and the seeds and juices that were everywhere after that, just pain...
flashbacks to my first job at McDonald's 😂
Holy shit the tomato cutter rant hit me straight in my teenage years. I know that feeling.
19:50 Eeeh, I love boring for work stuff, but hate boring when it comes to hobby programming.
I'd love to know your take on the discrepancies between mid-large size company job descriptions and applied knowledge. For example, a job ad for a large corp requiring 5 years of experience in a framework where the manager rejects a fully qualified applicant with demonstrated experience in the framework's underlying language. It's tough to imagine this being the standard in another industry. I'm experiencing this as sort of bottleneck in my career, and it makes it very difficult to find joy. I also resonate with your perspective on efficiency. For some reason people overrate efficiency, when we know from University physics that realistic efficiency is somewhere around 20%, with 100% being completely ideal.
Speaking of learning by deleting prod DB. I deleted 6 prod DBs over the course of a year and a half at my current job via interesting fuck ups & confusion. The company was forced to improve their access control to their systems & setup a QC environment. Things were learned by all involved. I was like 2 months into the job when I dropped my first DB... I've never been punished in any way & they generally realized it was a fuck up / configuration issues. Wild stuff. I've been here 3 years now.
Started learning HTMX today because Prime is always talking about it.
First time I’ve seen flip actually take something out.
As an embedded, Zig excites me because it doesn't throw out C, it's just better C. In theory it's not going to break anything we already do, but has all of the upside.
I learned rust, go and then zig. I LOVE ZIG....
2:14 I almost thought we weren't going to get Prime's catchphrase in this one!
I've been a software engineer for 30 years and I have never cared about "the meta". For one thing, my career itself centered around C-based code (enterprise LDAP and communications software that most of you probably use about a dozen times a day without knowing it).
Other than that, I spent most of my time in Perl. I think I did my first perl in early 1997. I mostly switched to Python a few years ago.
See, I want something with a ton of history, a ton of the kinks worked out, tons of documentation, communities, discussions, books, videos, libraries, etc. While I want something that is improving at a regular pace, I don't want something that is still in very heavy flux. And I really don't want something that, in five years, will turn out ot be a flavor of the month.
There is only so much time to learn so many languages. I'd rather be even more proficient in two things than a little proficient in thirty things.
This is the prob w/ so many companies wanting "full-stack" devs. 10 miles wide, 2 in. deep. They can't deliver fast resultsets b/c their db schema is wrong, they're missing indexes, their EF code is looping thru lists of object to populate properties on those objects, and they don't realize they've made 10,000 db calls to populate a single page. But they want to implement the latest new architecture. I really believe front & back-end specialization is a better route.
I started programming in 2005 with Second Life and "Linden scripting language" then PHP for backend storage on a server.
38:08 You don't know how hard you hit me with this. I am absolutely in shock
My guy was shooting Primagen right in the vital spots with this.
hoooly shit hoooooooly shit, flip actually took it out! 😳!😳!
I guess I’m spending my lunch hour watching prime watch anthonygg
Zig comptime is basically lifted directly from Jai btw.
Is that even true? I can't even find comptime stuff from Jai.
FORTH was born in the comptime
Hearing the man pronounce "Eligzirrr" was like the first time a heard a British man say "February" on Kill Tony.
How is everyone else saying February?
@@nathanevans1064 I doubt I will be able to find it again. I think the guy might actually have been Irish. Can't remember. But it was the most effortless "FEB-yeh-ary" I had ever heard. Tony Hinchcliffe even made him say it multiple times on stage because of how graceful it was.
I like the new thumbnail! I'm pretty sure I was avoiding the video because I didn't like the thumbnail text so great move
What was the bet that ThePrime lost, so he had to dye his hair in blue?
Yeah I couldn’t find it in UA-cam… obviously a “had to be on twitch” moment
exactly the video i needed
@15:04 I love Go....my problem with other languages is I keep coming back to Go it is just so damned easy....
I am never bored in C++, been doing it for 10 years +
Primegen - you are a smart guy, lots of live experience for your age.
I was making a prototype in python when the "boringness" of Go was mentioned. And then he said "there's no [insert any complex language feature]" and I realized in that moment why I like Python and Go
20 minutes in the take is so uncooked it's raw
This is great!
Me watching and nodding throughout the entire video, then learning Rust, OCaml and Elixir in the same year
This is not "engineering advice", this is a "grindset". I completely agree with Prime about "efficiency".
In terms of life, if the "new meta" is exciting for 6 months, wouldn't it make sense to keep chasing the new meta and be happy for life?
I suppose the danger there is facing unemployement - I'll try not to get into politics here, though.
But yeah, from engineering perspective, I suppose you will be more skilled by specialising in a few well-proven tools.
This has been my issue for the past few years. I tend to explore a bunch of different things because I'm bored in whatever stack I use in my full time job.
I feel as if there's little space to deepen my proficiency in a language as most jobs require a really repetitive style of programming, you don't reinvent the wheel and mostly stick to the basics.
What would be a good advice to be able to find avenues to explore and deepen understanding of a language and 'stick to it' ?
any advise on building test infrastructure? our current tests take hours to run help!
I've been doing PHP for right around 20 years. I get bored from time to time. Then something big changes in the language / frameworks and it gets interesting again.
never change, Flip, never change
I love how flip ignores him
28:31 never was in subway restaurant and don't know what is tomato cutter but still releatable(ish) (cutting tomato with dull knife)
Flip needs a raise
so zig got AOP :) nice you got me to learn it
meta chase approaching... i need Yava... now!
20:56 Both of them wearing hoodie and headphones. (Spider-Man pointing meme)
Outro be like: you gotta f around to find out
also a lot and lot of new discoveries are done not because of increasing efficiency, but to try something new to step out of matrix a little... thats not fuckin' around sometimes, but meaningful exploration of unknown design spaces... you see it everywhere, see e.g. chess, GM's are efing around constantly
I've never been bored programming. Have always enjoyed it. Been doing it for 40 years. I do find some of the non programming tasks that comes with the job boring though.
Flip, you bloody legend!
I don't know why, but this guy reminders me of ol' Gil from the Simpsons
09:08 zig has comptime keyword
I used to be a sandwich artist. That tomato story...so relatable lol.