Jubilee Girl Moral Grandstands Against Destiny In HEATED Debate
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- DEBATE: Destiny debates the Jubilee girl but things quickly derail...
Date: 27 June, 2023
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@@hijklmnopreaper EGMR ....Quote...
it may be regarded as common ground between States that the embryo/foetus belongs to the human race. The potentiality of that being and its capacity to become a person - enjoying protection under the civil law, moreover … require protection in the name of human dignity, without making it a “person” with the “right to life” for the purposes of Article 2.”....
Ayatollah😂
i dont understand how come you didnt use the counterargument of cancer tumors when she was claiming that a zygot is a life with full human rights. its a mass of cells reproducing as their own seperate thing connected to a body just like the zygot/later on fetus is connected to the mothers body.. they are pretty damn alive .. arent they ?
@hijklmnopreaper
A haploid cell ( sperm) does not belong to the human race. it's not even an individual unique and complete set of human DNA. it contains mo paired chromosomes. One could also argue that any individual cell from a human is also not a member of the human race. the only single cell that is part of the human race is a zygote. it is a universally unique human. it still has some developing to do... but that's just growth and time.
As soon as she enthusiastically brought up the miscarriages she'd had, I knew I was in for an intellectual exchange
who the hell is proud of those. brev
@@catedoge3206 She's unlocked the UAV
I am amazed she's had several miscarriages at such a young age, take care of yourself, use a condom they give them away for free in some places.
@dankwaifu”sniper out on all digital platforms”
yea the pride mixed with victim/empathy seeking was real mature.
Having multiple miscarriages at 19, being a professional tweeter, and thinking Kristen isn’t an idiot are all red flags
yup. yup yup yup.
That or she’s from a Trailer Park ❤
Tbf, Kirsten wasn't an idiot. She was patronising and super bad faith. Destiny called it at the start, she can't change her opinion because of the organisations she's involved in. That doesn't make her an idiot though
@@Narcissistic_PenguinI agree I think she's smart, honestly you can't really be dumb and intentionally argue in bad faith. To argue in bad faith you have to be conscious that the argument isn't a fair point. If you are ignorant of the issue with your argument I'd say that's not bad faith. She's aware when she does it.
@@Narcissistic_Penguinand also yeah even if destiny really changed her mind she couldn't admit it, which is debating these kinds of people with their backs against the wall serves no purpose other than to show others the fallacy in their argument. You'll never change their mind, but you can show others why.
Here after she got an abortion 💀
Well hey that's still growth baby!
"I killed my baby cause I was about to start college and felt like getting pregnant was the end of my life. But you should never, under any circumstance, abort a baby." - This chick
@@socomchamp00 Oh Dude the fetus cult is out for blood against her. Its like the movement is cannibalizing its self
Where is this information??
@@chibicat13 she wrote a sub stack. I think she's deleted it since. But I might be imagining that.
She admitted to having an abortion in June of this year OMEGALUL
When she said she's been doing this for years and then says shes 19, I about died.
Years begin at the point of a Day's conception 🌄
@@B-Nice art student says what?
@@Macheako "pass me my easel"???
So? Her age doesn't make her wrong
@mariomario1462 No one said it did (though she is). Saying "I've been doing it for years" when you're barely an adult is just hilariously on point for an unhumbled 19 year old who clearly thinks she knows everything but can barely keep up with even basic prochoice arguments.
I swear, Destiny has the ability to find the most annoying and ignorant people to talk to when talking politics. The Jubilee girl, the two feminists, he has the gift.
He has the ability to name the dynamic of their arguments and force them to slow down to look at each of their underlying moral assumptions.
No, you're just learning an age-old truth: the average human being is a fucktard, and if you let them talk about it, you will see just how much of a fucktard they are.
I understand the ones when he goes on panels but the ones who come on stream....
It gets engagement so yeah
The two feminists?
This girl sounds like she has never been wrong about anything in her entire life, according to her.
"down syndrome is not a life limiting condition" this girl has never been inconvenienced in her life. I had a cousin with downs and my aunt and uncle basically had to reorient their entire lives to support her every day because of how limiting it was for her. This bitch absolutely has a "all disability is beautiful" kind of mindset born out of tiktok and social media
In her defense, thats every 19yo
To be 19 again, lol
Yeah, which is pretty impressive cuz she's been doing this a long time too
@@DatHombreoh yea? Has she? How long? ❤
Haha this is so funny. She just admitted to having an abortion.
Source?
@@mpatters8335prolife reddit I think
Jubilee Girl: Do you think you could physically condescend me harder?
Destiny: Hold my piano
Cackled at work with a mouthful of toast lol love this
That was unreal. I can't believe she did exactly what he said she would once he went to play piano.
lol
Shes too stupid to understand that when shes wrong its more than what she explained. If shes wrong then she is forcing women to have a baby they dont want, what ever that reason may be, ie she was raped, her life is in danger because of the pregnancy, she doesnt have resources to support the baby, she just doesnt want a baby, etc
LMAO
Him: "Don't call me Steven repeatedly"
Her: "Cry about it"
*Later on*
Her: "Please don't disrespect me"
You reap what you sow. In my opinion Destiny matched the energy well.
Brother hit her with the La Li Lu Le Lo. Absolute gold.
That’s the young immaturity..,
Of course she should have respected him. But why does it bother him to be called Steven?
@@negationf6973it’s not that, it’s when you’re trying to say something and someone just keeps saying your name with calm condescension like you’re behaving irrationally to dismiss you
@@negationf6973 Didn't bother him to just be called Steven, but it was Lav flashbacks when she said " Steven... Steven... Steven..." trying to get him to pause talking.
Destiny: "You believe life starts at conception, then ...."
She: "That's not my position! You are projecting!"
Destiny: "Tell me your position."
She: "Life starts at conception and must be protected."
Holy shit, how was it projection?
Projected so hard it became true 🎉
@@tulersmeesh4077
✨✨ Perma-projection ✨✨
she's a debate Bro
@@travelerfinder7840 obviously!
Call her Epson how hard she projects 📽️
I guess we found out where she stands a year later. IYKYK
wym?
@@chrisxenzo1373Pro-life Ayala here done got an abortion.
Consciousness being one of the hardest philosophical and scientific thing to quantify and a 19 year old girl who tweets for a living actually says its pretty easy to define was peak content.
Followed by not actually properly defining it.
@@fuzz4173 I mean that part was a given.
You're expecting a woman to be rational?
@liblol972 wow. Peak rationality right here.
Yep. Literally everyone in the room KNOWS why the hard problem of consciousness is essentially insurmountable, but in her world books, philosophy, past debates, and common sense haven't even moved the needle yet.
"You're 19 I don't think you've been doing anything a long time" 😂😂
And that many miscarriages 😅
@junioralvarado629 fr when she was talking about having so many miscarriages I was like how?? Lmaoo
She called you Stephen so many times after you asked her not to, then got triggered when you teased her about her name.
I think she was arguing that destiny was making that case.
Don't dead name our girl!
Woman in general are just awfull at being grifters tbh
and
hearing she’s 19 in the intro and then starting the argument off saying she’s had multiple miscarriages… BUCKLING DOWN BOYS
And “discusses abortion for a living”
And “has a fiancé whose had a bunch of open heart surgeries”
And Steven would be ok with aborting him -as long as he is younger than 20 weeks
Now I understand why abortion is a banned debate topic for Destiny
It’s just the same debate every time and most people are too emotionally attached to their side to engage in good faith
It’s such a boring conversation. It’s a talk in circles for hours and talk pass each other. Mega Zzzzzz
It's just the vegan debate with extra steps
@@Blehblahist the vegan debate is actually interesting and Destiny's biggest blindside, but he just refuses to fully engage with the ideas. That's what makes it boring.
@EricTitansSmith I think your the only person who finds this interesting. Cause fuck there boring ass shit
Destiny asked her to stop calling him Steven repeatedly because it was triggering him. Her response was “cry more“ and she continued doing it. Later on in the conversation, she gets extremely triggered when Destiny repeatedly mispronounces her name. I’m surprise he didn’t just say “cry more” and continue doing it 😂
Lav started the whole Steven Steven Steven thing and it triggers me too
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitorbruh she sounded like lav too, I thought she had jumped in the call for a second
I wonder if she'll ever realize that she started the disrespect and got it in return, or if that
"I'm 19 and can't be wrong barrier is too strong"
Her tone the entire time was sassy, argumentative, bratty, & combative. And then when he keeps playfully jabbing at her about her name, she assumes the morally righteous indignation response as if he's the only one whose crossed this line so far lmao. 19 year olds pretending they have so much wisdom & intelligence about subjects while constantly showing their ass during a conversation is comedy gold. Thanks for your time Jubilee girl, this was at least entertaining
I don't understand why people keep pointing out to age as an explanation. This isn't just about lack of experience or wisdom or whatever. She was simply incapable of engaging with the arguments or taking her own logic to its conclusion. I was never this dumb, not at 19 or 16 for that matter.
@@FijyFilms Indeed.
@@FijyFilms Funny how that stands to reason with the people saying things are 'common sense' or that other people aren't critical thinkers, that they end up behaving exactly like this chick did here.
Let's be real though, the majority of people under the age of 20 are not going to be able to navigate the ends & outs of bodily autonomy & argue against life begins at conception, or when a gamete starts, or what point in time a zygote has begun, or any of the other facets of this conversation.
Reminder, this chick said she was r***d, & had 2 miscarriages, & still she ended up taking the anti-freedom wrong path on this issue. Her life experience is non-existent at 19 & she's barely been in the world long enough to be an authoritative opinion on the subjects she's talking about. You at 14 are no exception, & I'm not either at that age lol, that's just post hoc arrogance to say we knew enough to bring this conversation before someone like Destiny & to be able to concretely argue against him if we were in her shoes. We may be able to lean in the correct direction of it, but not to be able to argue the point in a public space from multiple perspectives when you are barely old enough to conceptualize sexual intercourse, & still going through puberty & your emotional development
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 It definitely depends. At around 18, or at least under 20, most people are still pretty inexperienced and kinda dumb. But of course there are exceptions. Generally you will be more wise and smarter a decade later, which is why age is pointed out here.
Well said. The moral indignation while constantly showing their ass is a solid characterization
The most frustrating debates are the ones where the person just cannot understand an analogy. They don't treat it as an analogy, they dont seem to recognize it is one, and they can't then apply that analogy (if analgous) to their thinking. This debate is incredibly frustrating.
"abortion and human life is not philosophical"
Her brain's not done developing yet. She doesn't strike me as unintelligent, but her total lack of abstract thought processes is telling.
Exactly! That and where they cannot understand hypotheticals!
It’s not because they’re incapable, it’s because they’re unwilling to engage with an analogy that they know will disprove their argument.
I kept thinking to myself, "How does she not get this is an analogy and he's not actually arguing for forcing pregnant women to stay in hospitals?"
I really hope in a few years she watches this conversation again and cringes at herself so hard that she changes and grows as a person.
She's a woman, she'll never think rationally enough to do so
She actually did a really good job.
Especially the "if you are wrong versus if i am wrong" argument, because it's still human life
I hope this dude replying to you changes and grows as a person too lmao
@@akeclipsee That was probably where she did the worst. If you are pro life and cannot even concede the literal fact that you being wrong on when life begins directly means you are enslaving children and women. There is no hope for you. You cannot get more bad faith than that.
@@akeclipsee lol no thats a blatantly false. She did a horrible job. She kept deflecting and avoiding points and questions because she knows full well they either have her agreeing with a ridiculous position or she will have to contradict herself or show shes a hypocrite.
In the "if you are wrong versus if i am wrong" - Her response it completely childish. She made the point of showing the consequences of Destiny's point of view if he was wrong, but didn't acknowledge a single thing that would be a consequence of her point of view, which would be many women being forced to become mothers that don't want to, that had the chance when it wasn't a conscious human therefor not at the stage where they are a person. What she said was "oh well I still saved people." No she would have forced 100,000's of people to become parents when they didn't want to.
You saying "it's still human life." is proof that you are not even understanding the point being made, because in that situation she would be wrong. Thats how the question is approached. The context is she is wrong and she couldn't even acknowledge that in the mind set that "you are wrong so whats the bad that happened"
This is another reason that I cannot take people like you or her seriously because you cannot even complete a basic question.
It's wild how much leeway and respect she demands given that she is incapable of ingaging in good faith debate. Every word she speaks is just saturated with condescension and moral superiority. It's not even that she doesn't know how to debate, she just doesn't seem to respect anyone that doesn't hold her exact beliefs. Like Steven said, she thinks she holds all the aswers to life's difficult questions, but isn't willing to state them.
I usually understand it as they dont think we should be allowed to make the difficult decisions because we COULD be wrong. And their wrong comes purely from religion.
She also doesn't know how to debate
@@-47-expected from a female
If kids/young adults were polled I would think most of them would label their opposing political party as "bad people". Progressives are all baby killers and conservatives are all racist pigs, and calling yourself either automatically aligns you with all the worst and far out positions of each party; there's very much a lack of grey area, it's all black and white.
(correct spelling is engaging, honest suggestion, not shitting on you 🙂)
To be honest, Destiny was immature and disrespectful here.
Her: “I don’t like using these dumb little pseudonyms we use for ourselves.”
Destiny: “…Miss Ayatollah please tell me!!”
Never let this person become more than the "Jubilee Girl"
They’re definitely already exchanging nudes and having Discord sex. Lav 2.0 inc
what you didnt hear? this is the ayatollah!
@@lscizmlnah man pretty sure it’s the one and only areola.
But we need a replacement for Grace
I vote for Lav 2.0
You could argue that she's been killing more fetuses by continuously getting pregnant despite knowing her body is this likely to miscarriage.
she kills brain cells for sure
You could definitely argue about negligent manslaughter for this.
Preexisting knowledge of the risks resulting in a "child's" death? Yup, negligent manslaughter. If you consider a human child from conception, then any risky behavior afterwards that may result in a miscarriage or harm to the child should also be coming down on you for negligence right?
These people would beg to reverse within 24 hours living in the world that considers a fertilized egg a child
Not even a hard argument to make.
Lol you make the decision to have abortion, miscarriages is not a choice
@@bubbles1525_ but deciding to use contraceptives are. therefore, engaging in risky behavior i.e. not using contraceptives is neglectant manslaughter.
"You're in your 30s"
"I dont even know who you are"
the calling signs of losing an arguement
"You're weird"
"Im uncomfortable"
hitting every single bullet point holy shit
She’s never going to win a debate if she can’t control herself from sounding condescending and like a spoiled brat. She could have the best point on an issue but no one will care because she sounds like she does when talking to someone she disagrees with .
I thought this was more fitting for Density 😅
She's super young, but has some delusion that she has been "doing this for a long time". She's gonna look back on that and cringe someday. I guarantee it.
Come on guys, imagine your 19 and have a debate with Destiny while his gigantic audience judges you. I would also have crumbled under the pressure.
Come on guys, imagine your 19 and have a debate with Destiny while his gigantic audience judges you. I would also have crumbled under the pressure.
The sad part is this was a pathetically bad showing for Destiny he came in with an army of straw men. I would like to see someone a little more calm and put together debate him on this because his arguments were pathetically weak
"I've been doing this for a very long time.' - Says a girl who probably had not hit puberty before Destiny had his first debate.
you know where this is going though, right? She's hot, and destiny used the rizz voice. You KNOW she's joining the harem.
@@gd8838oh God, another lav.😮
Abort this convo steven like she aborted her baby😂
@@gd8838 Oh please god no
@@gd8838staph
@@gd8838 she's the type to poke holes in condoms so you gotta be extra careful
ProLifer:"Miscarriages just happen"
Destiny: "Well if its a 'life' shouldnt we be trying to prevent that?"
Prolifer: "No."
Ooookie dokie.
he's so good at pulling that contradiction out of these ppl
there is a difference between a fetus dying by an act of nature and dying by human intervention. Im not advocating the stance but its worth pointing out thats not an instantly hypocritical stance
Humans are a part of nature, therefore an abortion performed by a human is an act of nature.
@@Ryanfinder226 Yes, but the point was that some of these deaths are preventable (no alcohol, no physical stress and smth else), yet an idea of limiting women's autonomy in order to save human life from miscarriage seems ludicrous, as opposed to the abortion case. That is not even moving any goalpost, we are still considering the same presupposition, that fetus is a living being with human rights from the moment of conception. Yet somehow in one case they have a strong stance and dismiss the other.
I’m just saying that if you kill a pregnant woman you catch a double homicide accusation.
The fact that this woman says that talking about abortions is her job and she’s this bad at it is insane. Like Destiny didn’t even press her that hard.
She's a woman, is this surprising? They can't debate
I'm 19 minutes in and she's kinda owning him.
@@grantwerner7332yea I think she’s solid in the beginning but she just falls apart the longer it goes on
Lol destiny out of all people is showing that both the Right and Left are batshit crazy
Correction, she said her job is to tweet about it. So she put it out there in the ether but can’t defend any position about it.
It's astounding to me how she thinks discussing when we think life ends in a context of an abortion debate is going on tangents.
badass username
@@meshzzizk Based metalhead. Thanks bro.
You know at least she let destiny finish more sentences than Lila or Kristan did
True, but that was a REALLY low bar 😂
@@TheEverFreeKing he’s extremely rational and explains his stance very clearly from start to finish.
You know it's going to be good when the debate opponent starts it off with saying "I am a professional Tweeter" 😂
It's 2023, nothing surprises me anymore.
I scoffed... and kept on watching and wanted to see how Destiny was gonna destroy her
@@wushdishmeenHey man, candid reactions are a thing. Sometimes the bullshit is too much to restrain a snort or a scoff
@@aidanhearn4210 You enjoy snorting bullshit? What?
Being a professional tweeter is just another word for being a professional loser
I don't think at 19 you should have a kid at all but hearing she's had multiple miscarriages is insane.
the WALL will be most cruel to her
@jackbridges1506 if this is true, which I very much DOUBT, then maybe she should be off the internet dealing with her trauma instead of running her yap in social media?
@jackbridges1506 I see.
You would "know for a fact" only if YOU are the perpetrator!
Turn yourself in, monster!
@jackbridges1506 Kermit gosnell would be proud
@jackbridges1506which is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. She thinks just because she has personal experience with the exception commonly brought up in prochoice arguments that she's correct. But she's in the minority... Ask most (not all) people who've been assaulted whether it would be fair to carry the rapists child and they'd likely disagree with her. If we are going to take personal experience as the basis for our arguments, then what we should look to is the consensus among people with that personal experience. I say the same thing about trans rights. The consensus is access to treatment. The detransitioners who think access should be barred are a minority among those who seek gender affirming care. Most detransitioners still support access to gender affirming care, so it's a minority of a minority that conservatives like to listen to. The motive is always their stupid religion and hatred. There is no other. And this is why all their arguments hold no water. They are in the minority and only growing more extreme and out of sync with American culture by the minute. their beliefs would have no influence over public policy were it not for gerrymandering.
I’m astounded by how strongly this girl was making the case that terminating a newborn baby is okay.
They say every few months, a Lav is born from the depths of an aborted fetus pit, and makes its way into a debate with destiny.
Underrated
so true.
Like a salmon swimming upstream to spawn.
This is basically one of the subplots of demons souls
How funny would it be if Destiny showed up on a Jubilee episode and Hasán had to react to it 😂
🎉HASANSTINY🎉
He would put a black box on top of destiny's face and body like they did when h3 and hasan watched some of Destiny's content. But this time, the camera angles change, and everytime it does, hasan needs to change the black box, and therefor its imperfect, and everytime the blue haired woman can be seen sometimes, you can see Hasan become'ing more and more angry. 😂😂😂
@@chinchillatwitch7234😂😂😂😂l need to go see that with my own eyes 👀 😂😂
He’d make minimal comments towards his opinions and only says something when he agrees
💀
Funny how as soon as Steven calls a miscarriage a baby death she immediately has an objection with that description.
@@ChristianToth-uv1nvMaking that value judgement relies on arguments made for why it's good or bad. How tf do you think we come to conclusions about things like this?
Sure, it doesn't make a difference in trying to come up with some objective truth about the morality of an act; but discussions and arguments on why abortion is bad or good is everything a value judgement relies on. You're never gonna run into a scenario where a society's value judgement wildly differs from the majority opinion on whether it's good or bad, like a country that legalizes rape even though everyone there says it's wrong.
@@bradlasalle2888marital rape.
@n-0-1 Manslaughter isn't intentional, but still criminal. The fuck is your point?
@n-0-1negligence of a child is still a crime so a miscarriage from negligence isn’t intentional but should hold the same penalty if abortion holds the same penalty as murder
Notice how he calls it "baby death" not "baby murder." All he's doing is listening to her and applying her own terms correctly. Her position is just not very consistent@n-0-1
Then she went ahead and had an abortion
Her: "MURDERING BABIES"
Destiny: "Ok, sure, but bodily enslavement"
Her: "HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH, ENSLAVEMENT?"
She did this at other points too. I think it betrays that she cannot separate the objective from the subjective.
What wrong with bodily enslavement?
@@RightWingRefiree good ROI
@@CEWIII9873
Getting no push back by saying what I want is a pretty good ROI for me. It’s a win win.
@@RightWingRefiree did she "push back?"
The irony of her saying it’s disrespectful for him to mispronounce her name after she kept repeating “Steven, Steven, Steven” after he made it clear he doesn’t like it and she said “cry about it”
He literally said it was triggering him unironically and she kept saying it lol.
@@Frostbitten. i thought he said that to his chat tho. didn't he mute his mic for that comment?
what is her name? I missed it
@@meowy4720areola
This is nearly worthless. After she said she is 19 years old it all made sense. Literally worse than asking college students
Hey man, don’t you wanna be a 34 year old marshmallow who debates 19 year old women????
Bro I love Destiny ❤ I’m too busy working this lame engineering job I don’t have the time to berate young women anymore.
Thank you destiny 🙏
Refusing to engage with people because of their age is stupid. She still has a vote, a voice, and is part of society. You’re using ageism to excuse her argument. The real reason she’s so difficult is because she’s being paid to be so.
I don't think age is the problem, i have met a lot of old people with stupid views.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 maybe that's proof that not everyone's voice should be heard
@@lautarotrefilio4773 Heard but ignored
She had an abortion this summer. wow what a twist!
“You’re 19, I don’t think you’ve been doing anything for a long time.” 😂 Seriously, even though they’re technically adults, people in their late teens and early 20s are still essentially kids in all but name.
You become a real adult a certain while after becoming a legal adult in my book. You have to experience the world with the responsibilities of an adult and make some serious mistakes and work through them before truly reaching adulthood.
@@dininelbourne yeah I know some people that are 16 that act more like adults then 24 year olds because they had to learn to live like that at a younf age. I still think that you shouldn't be able to vote for the state of our country while your brain is still developing, plus not enough life experince, just make the voting age 25.
@@juliahertz1788lmao I’m 22 and I still don’t know shit about the world. I have still forming beliefs about everything lmao, if you believe in anything strongly without much reason other than passion and ignorance then you’re an idiot.
@@juliahertz1788 connecting voting to when the brain has scientifically fully matured just wouldn´t work. Generally it´s on the state to provide adequate reason to keep people from participating in the system they live under. Any specific age will be arbitrary to some extent, but the longer you deprive people of voting rights the more difficult it will be for you to meet the burden of proof. But do we have any good reason to assume that these final years of brain development make a difference as far as the ability to make educated voting decisions goes? Also we already have an issue with the elderly outnumbering younger generations (and being more likely to vote), so removing even more teens and young adults from the voter block will assure that the country is run by those least concerned with long-term issues and solutions.
I really dislike these new A.I answers around here. They think they're saying something. lol.
1:05:45 “I did not tell you to DM me, I said if you wanted to have a conversation with me that you could DM me” is a wild statement
true
I think her personal experience with her miscarriages is an emotional event that’s not allowing her to consider the possibility that negligence can lead to 25% of baby deaths.
Ialla: defining consciousness is easy
Destiny: dope do it
Ialla: im not interested in talking about feelings
That part was so hilarious. You could tell she was really thinking a bit about it, realized it was kinda impossible to answer, and then tried to walk back.
"Defining consciousness is super easy. Consciousness is...(discord call cuts out). "
The timing of that couldn't have been better. XD
She's was full debate-bro this whole video
@@pdpgb²
Coming back just to say that she had an abortion recently 😬
Source?
I love how every time she acts like she has an answer for something he pushes her on it and she doesn't answer.
I like how literally 1 minute after she said defining consciousness was easy she completely backed out and redirected the question back at destiny because she realised she couldnt do it.
"I'm a professional Tweeter"
Late abortion law activated
Ok, this is funny af 😂😂❤
She tried to hit him with a gotcha by asking him to explain what he thinks miscarriages are, he goes on to give a well thought out and nuanced answer and then she says I'll explain it to you and then says what he said 😂
It's good to see someone melt down in an argument rather than talk in circles until the end.
Holy shit it was hilarious to see Destiny clap back with the same passive-aggression that his guests usually employ.
It was terrifying when she said "steven, steven, steven. It gave me chills down my spine.
Lmao
I’m sorry that it gave you “chills down your spine”. But sometimes you just have to endure.
stop making fun of her chills. You guys are misogynists!
Brother that happened 2 seconds after I read this.
narcissist convo tactic
I love how savage Destiny can be. She was about to cry when he called her a disgusting human being
I swear it’s crazy seeing how something can derail pretty fast from being somewhat civilized and respectful to that 😂😂😂 like I’m only at the beginning and I’m reading comments like yours and now I’m anticipating when exactly shit hits the fan. It’s so fun
I don’t think that’s a good thing :(
@@ataraxia7439 maybe she should be a better person then :)
Whats the time stamp
@@97BlueFlame both things can be true at the same time
Dude calling her Ayatollah actually killed me. Ayahuasca was a close second.
Aioli
That was hilarious but honestly uncalled for.
I couldn't tell if she even knew what it meant or if she was just mad he used a different name again lol.
@@Meechy37 The way she repeated the name meant she was most likely familiar with what it refers to.
“Ayeola?” “Yes” “Jesus Christ”
I think we finally hit the nail in the coffin when it comes to abortion debates. If you are not willing to take every necessary step to stop the 20% preventable misscarriages from happening, you don't actually believe a 2 week old fetus is a living human being.
It's really that simple sadly
Exactly
Oh right, like how not taking every necessary step to not die of obesity related illness means that you’re not a human.
@@bw2020true tho
@@bw2020 what the actual fuck are you talking about?
Obesity and being a human are not related in the same way that active abortion and passive abortion (miscarriage) are.
I feel like most people that can't see destiny's side on abortion flat out can't engage in hypotheticals. The last debate they just flat out refused to even try and understand his position.
they’re false hypotheticals bro /s
@@JayBoo228they are clearly not
I don't get it, the Damont commenter literally included the autistic little tone indicator and you people still took him at face value
@@0scarWalshthat’s because the two people that responded have advanced god autism
@@0scarWalsh im dead lmao
I love the part where she has a meltdown when Steven brings up things related to abortion instead of abortion itself💀
We need a "no arguing with teenagers" rule. This is a massive waste of time.
Idk, I get she's young but if you don't engage with people who have the ability to vote, then you ostracize them
@@valentines7639 Engage with the annoying teenager in your life privately. I don't need to hear it, lol
Then don’t watch the video, no one here is forcing you.
@@GBGB000You also don't need to watch it. Crazy I know
She's actually fairly intelligent she's just way too stubborn and condescending
I remember when I was growing up, my dad told me, "One of the most important lessons you'll learn from college is this. When you first start college you will think you know everything. When you finish college you'll understand you know nothing." The idea was that college makes you understand that no matter how you think you know, you're barely scratching the surface, and it's that humility that will ground you as an adult.
The Jubilee girl has clearly not finished this journey yet.
What if I told you that you're placing way too much importance in college? That understanding is something that escapes most people, college graduates included.
@@babsa90 You'd be wrong. I never said you had to go to college to learn this lesson, but I do recognize that a good college education will definitely teach it to you.
There's a lot of people in this community, especially those who come from certain adjacent communities, who want to take every opportunity to shit on anyone who says anything good about college. Sure, I agree, college isn't a one-stop-fits-all solution, but the reactionary stance that everything about college is bad is a more stupid take. Based on your reaction to what I wrote, it seems like that's your view, because my statement, at best, was a mild endorsement of a college education.
College is MASSIVE waste of time and resources
@@babsa90You are disgustingly bad faith. College wasn't the point. The point is when you're ignorant you think you know more than you actually do.
And once you start learning you start realizing how much you don't know.
Are you this brain dead to not understand that?
@@jamsteroffthewheel4731That wasn't the point. The autism level is off the charts with you people. You're the type of person who will read a story and take no lesson from it.
She actually did the "not understanding hypotheticals" meme xD
To be fair I would love to be as sure about many things in life as she is about abortion but it is hilarious that she cant even think of bad consequences of being incorrect because it is impossible that she is incorrect.
Anyone, ANYONE! Who refuses to engage with hypotheticals generally, is not worth ever taking seriously. If a human in modern society refuses to deal with obstructions, they are full of shit. That's why I believe people like that young woman are fucking disgusting myself. I hate this dishonesty
Eugenics: the act of government funding and facilitating eugenics programs.
What a banger of a definition from this girl.
Why are people shocked that someone who can't even legally drink doesnt have fully developed or nuanced opinions? Please NEVER do this again, we need a minimum age for these interactions.
Man I know this is 2 weeks late, but if someone like Kristen from the 2v1 was in her place, would it really be better? I mean, I know raising the age limit would reduce the frequency of abortion debates but I'm just saying it doesn't really affect the quality of the... whatever the word is for the person debating.
I always find it funny when americans 1. think that their prudish approach to alcohol means anything and 2. that an older american would have less dumb opinions
Are all american 19nyearolds so dumb?
@@i_am_sneki think interlocutor is the word youre looking for at tge end there
"Biologically it's living," so is mold but no one is asking to protect it.
Yeah but mold isn’t human. I am so tired of both sides giving the most braindead strawmen
@@nathanhargenrader645@nathanhargenrader645 I saw another one of your comments dude; either you're not following the conversation, or you're using the term strawman incorrectly. It isn't a strawman because (using this comment as an example) the commenter addresses a subconcept *beneath* the debated concept. This is what Destiny attempts to do in the video. You'll notice that from the asserted claim he keeps digging further and further down to the fundamentals. Mold isn't being compared to human life because it's necessarily been asserted that all life is equal; the comparison is to attack the foundation of the "human life is valuable" argument. How does it do so? It defeats the notion that life itself is valuable, which then leaves the human aspect of human life. What makes this human aspect valuable? The 'correct' answer is the human conscious experience. See how working from the bottommost fundamentals we can now start to make our way up?
@@nathanhargenrader645it’s not about it being “human” it’s about the fact that a fetus being a living thing isn’t a justification for forcing women to keep a pregnancy they no longer wish to continue.
@@Chikitew then why bother bringing up the fact if it doesn’t matter?
@@nathanhargenrader645 because… it’s a fact that a fetus is alive? And anti abortionists will misconstrue pro abortionist arguments and say we don’t think a fetus is alive. Meanwhile the real argument is that, in the pro abortion worldview, it doesn’t matter that the fetus is alive, what matters is if the woman consents to carrying it.
Painfully cringe when she pretends not to know who Destiny is, and gets immediately called out. 🤢
Wow! One hour in the debate and she still doesn't know what Destiny's position on abortion is. That's how serious she takes this debate.
Can the debate be a good faith one, if you still don't understand the other 1 hour in?
@@Jaakkimo I mean if they are dumb maybe.
She wants to be able to invoke “eugenics” for the purpose of morally-loading and weaponizing statements, but then when pressed on it she immediately becomes frustrated when she has to talk about eugenics as if Destiny is unfairly forcing the conversation away from “what they really came to talk about”.
She simultaneously claims that she has a ton of experience doing pro-life activism and is even a paid professional on the topic while also repeatedly pretending to not understand how defining consciousness, determining the beginning and end points of life, eugenics, etc. are related to the heart of abortion philosophy. “I don’t understand what this has to do with abortion, I came here to talk about abortion. You’re just trying to exhaust me.”
If you truly don’t understand, maybe you should find a different line of work.
Professional debater doesn't know what a debate is
Eugenics isn't even bad
@@liblol972
Ah yes, because it’s worked out so well every time it’s been implemented in the past right?
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 Has it caused any problems where it's been implemented to prevent down syndrome?
@@liblol972its morally neutral but it can be either good or bad depending on its specific usage.
Eugenics used for racial purposes is bad.
Eugenics used to stop rare disabilities is likely good.
a formidable argument could be made that defining consciousness is the most difficult philosophical pursuit known to man, yet this is the second time someone opposite destiny swears it’s so simple.
also, the fact that she couldn’t connect the dots between why destiny was asking about consciousness (as it relates to life/death) and abortion was also quite telling. i mean the irony attached to her asking if they can relate things to abortion was unreal (1:00:45 ish)
she fr just wanted to rattle off the monologue she’s practiced in her debates so badly that she couldn’t wrap the conversation around her head. the dialogue options weren’t showing up for her and she was getting upset and stunlocked. it was very entertaining
Did this girl actually just accuse Steven of being condescending? She needs to look in the mirror.
People who say Destiny was just “searching for dunks” or “trying to sound smart” haven’t seen Destiny go full meme mode or legit just rip into people and it shows.
It’s a 19 year old girl bro 😂😂😂 he’s doing it cuz it’s “content”
That’s all this is ❤
Welcome to the internet, where everyone can be part of the conversation.
It's absolutely nuts to me how often Destiny will present a hypothetical argument he would make if he agreed with the person he was debating, and that person immediately starts acting as if he is pushing for that idea in reality. I wish he would push back on that type of thing more, but I'm sure he has his reasons for not doing so.
Lol, theres a guy just below you saying that @josueaceves
His hypotheticals (at least from the whatever podcast debate on abortion) were mostly garbage. But I already know we won’t agree on that 😂❤
@@Macheakoyou are the weirdest hatewatcher
@Macheako why were they garbage? What did you disagree with?
@@Macheakothey’re not garbage just because you don’t like them and they fuck with your feelings 😂😂😂
Jesus Christ, this woman is wound up so tight. Her voice sounds like every moment is a struggle not to start shrieking.
Past the 1:10:00 minute mark she just becomes the most based person ever saying that we should keep people in comas living forever and that newborn babies don't have a conscious experience. Plus the most epic definition of human life: "It's alive and it's a human, therefore it is a person"
Fucking kekkkkk 🔂
LOL
Ayala's summary of the consequences of her being wrong was the equivalent of answering the job interview question "What's your greatest weakness?" with "My weakness is that I work too hard, and I care too much"
My weakness is I am a perfectionist. 💀😂
@@samurai15401 SPUD!
Lmfao the accuracy of this comment should be illegal
This comment deserves way more likes
*Aehlayhla
time for a calm, rational debate where two people respectfully explore the complex morality surrounding this topic :)
Shirley
Why is he arguing with a 19 year old lol
@@dillpickleboy1128Shirley? I just met her
@@Kuroganemk2destiny refuses to back down from the chance to educate a female youth
As of this day, it turns out she has an abortion of her own. It shouldn't lead to mockery but damn.
I'm pro-life and think it's fine to mock her. All her virtue signaling, and she broke so goddamn easily. At least with people like Destiny, as sick as I think his beliefs are I know where he stands. I genuinely hope she reforms but dang, gonna be hard to do that now.
@@1tzyb1tzelwell according to her abortion has moral grey areas. Not rape, but if you want to go to a specific college. It’s called the Ayala exception
@@1tzyb1tzel See we mock her cause she basically was a walking copy pasta who made alot of BS claims, Y'all dont like her cause she broke the pro life cult (yes its a cult checks all the boxes) rules.
@@roxthepunkcyborg7172 Lols, the pro-aborts are the cults tbh. Most of you don't actually believe in bodily autonomy and ironically, every pro-abort here (yes, I call them pro-abort, not pro-choice) were exact stereotypes as well who said the same nonsense talking points too. You guys are intellectually and morally inferior, so I wouldn't judge there bud.
@@roxthepunkcyborg7172 Lols, the pro-aborts are the cults tbh. Most of you don't actually believe in bodily autonomy and ironically, every pro-abort here (yes, I call them pro-abort, not pro-choice) were exact stereotypes as well who said the same nonsense talking points too. You guys are intellectually and morally inferior, so I wouldn't judge there bud.
I think she is traumatized from the thought that she possibly "killed" her child by having a miscarriage. This is stopping her from having a rational conversation.
Yeah fr, she is trying to cope. But is pushing her self into a manic or psychosis episode😂 her brain keeps farting
Killing is intentional
Nah killing isn’t necessarily intentional. If you commit manslaughter you’ve killed somebody
I wonder how many miscarriages she’s had at 19, and perhaps she should consider that her uterus isn’t safe place for a zygote.
@@ecta9604 manslaughter is when you intnetionally do something reckless that unintentionally leads to death. Miscarriages happen on their own
She doesn't understand the difference between virtue signaling and engaging with the arguments. If you morally load your statements and constantly make accusations, you don't engage with the arguments, you're just virtue signalling.
You can check this by presenting the arguments of the other side. If you can't articulate the arguments accurately, you haven't engaged with them.
Agreed, but it's "engaged"
Disagree😅
@@danw9464 🤓
@@alexmartinez3683 You can disagree but one hour into the debate she didn't even know Destiny's position on abortion.
@@danw9464 thanks.
The funniest part of this is watching her walk into every single word that makes your argument and debunks her, every time she actually answers a question she answers it picture perfect for you to establish your next point, it’s so funny how clueless she is.
And then, as soon as she finds herself in the corner, she says. "I dont wanna talk about this."
@@aaronpannell6401or the ever perfect “i’m not interested in talking about this point. i’m interested in *insert dead horse talking point*
God Recent events with this girl ALONE shows how weak her argument was
It's so sad because this felt like it could've been such a good conversation but she never engaged in a single question he proposed.
@@TheEverFreeKing no she didn't. What a blatant lie on your part. She repeated didn't answer questions because she said she didn't want to talk about that which is nothing but her deflecting and avoiding a question that shows her position is inconsist. But no she did not prove destiny wrong. She proved she does not know what shes talking about.
@@TheEverFreeKing god, I love seeing your comments
@@TheEverFreeKinghow?
GIrl: "I know a lot about miscarriages, because I've had a lot of them."
An hour later
Destiny: "How old are you?"
Girl: "19"
me: wait what..
I literally thought I had misheard 😂😂😂
Towards the very end she said that after she had her misscarriage from sexual assault she ended up with her position. How does that work? I expect someone who got raped and got pregrant to be like "yikers, time to abort" and not land on the exact opposite position?
@pandaro3622 very odd when women advocate to be incubators for their rapists babies... in reality, I think most of them would feel differently when it comes to them in regards to cases of rape. We know how many Republicans publicly are anti abortion then get them privately and that's not even due to such awful circumstances.
You never been to a Trailer park? 😂
@@Macheako nope, only ever seen them in movies :P they don't exist where I am from
Its really hard to have any conversations with people who can't imagine any other positions other than their own to the point where they can't even listen to your argument and repeat it back.
There was a lot there, but her being unable to summarize the other side of the debate without talking about how great her own position is was actually crazy. I couldn’t believe she did it 3 times in a row.
This makes me appreciate being too autistic to socialize online when I was 19.
Andrew Tate was right
Destiny totally isn’t an autistic spasm when he gets into debates with people.
@@bw2020 Destiny 3 or 4 years ago? Sure. These days? Nah. Destiny lets people get away with a lot of shit nowadays, he doesn't go hard and try to internet bloodsports destroy someone
@@Mrraerae I mean I’ve seen him spazz and start repeating the same word over and over to shut someone up recently, and even if he is a cool cucumber now, you’re talking about a spastic 32 year old vs a pretty clear and rational 19 year old who slightly raised her voice a few times.
@@bw2020 your read of this convo is absolutely wild if you think she was being clear and rational LMAO. She was constantly countering arguments that Destiny never made.
Destiny does repeat himself or raise his voice when he is being consistently talked over. I don't think that's wrong, some people literally won't let him get a sentence out if he doesn't do it
This girl is walking proof that a body can indeed live without a brain. Newborns aren’t sentient? I’ve never heard anyone say that, let alone a pro-lifer
I've never heard a pro lifer say anything along the lines of babies don't have personality. I actually hate babies but they have lots of personality and can be fun or exceeding obnoxious to be around right after being born. Chirst my brother never stopped crying in like his first year and I didn't even cry in the process of being born (not because of strangulation or birth complications, before anyone asks).
I’ve heard pro lifers argue newborns are like fetuses to argue that if you can kill the latter then it would imply killing the former 🙄 just blobs that do nothing and can’t think. This is absolutely false and anyone who has studied infant behavior and development knows otherwise. Infants capacity to learn is tremendous from birth, even in their sleep (see eye blink conditioning in newborns), which means they are capable of anticipating future events even if they’re not self aware
@@thomaswalmsley8959 this girl’s position is way more extreme than that. Far from babies having a personality, this girl says they don’t have an experience at all. They’re like rocks.
@@phaedrus7971 actually you're probably right on that point. It's super weird cause they're also saying twins interact in the womb to prove they have consciousness. But when they're born they're without personality? Idk it's weird especially for someone that is a caretaker for babies and likes it enough to have more babies.
@@thomaswalmsley8959 I believe it was the woman from the other debate who said they interact in the womb at a super early stage. But yes, they’re all kinda weird. I like babies btw. We’re not aligned on that just for the record, lest the people think I’m a baby hater because I’m with Destiny on this
This was genuinely painful to listen to. Its actually crazy she has zero awareness of the fact she is a walking embodiment of a bad faith argument.
She's the proof that someone can be alive while being brain dead
So the real question is how ethical it would be to abort her?
She's under 20 it's prime territory for abortion
She's almost saying as long as the government aligns with her individual moral/ethical ideas she's cool with what they do.
If they don't then they don't have a right to tell you what you can and can't do
well, but this is kind of the way it is, right? If a government is pissing off too many of its people, the tanks be rolling to moscow.
That's most people tbh
This is the central premise of democracy. Anyone who isn't some kind of libertarian/anarchist would probably agree with this if it was phrased more charitably.
@thinkfreer I agree. Which is why it kind of baffles me that she doesn't seem to understand that it works that way for the majority on the issue of abortion.
So pushing to ban it nationally solely because of her personal conviction and saying the government shouldn't be able to make decisions for people while pushing the government to make decisions for people.. is a bit weird to me. Especially when she doesn't seem to have an issue with preventable miscarriages happening.. it would he 620,000 abortions to 1.6 million, possibly preventable miscarriages..
But maybe I'm missing something.
@@0scarWalsh no because democracy isn't simply majority rule, it is far more complex and nuanced than that. One of many examples of that is that political theory around democracy explicitly refers to the "tyranny of the majority" and that things like judicial advocacy exist to protect minorities from that tyranny.
Incredible how as soon as she is cornered and knowingly so, she will begin to obsess over “I thought this was an abortion debate, I want to talk about abortion” I’m only an hour in and she’s done this twice already. Insufferable woman
Yea was disappointing honestly after how much she hyped herself up at the beginning, couldn't even engage with simple arguments
I empathize hard with pro lifers but it drives me crazy that they are unable going through and test positions and beliefs to have deeper conversations. They view it as binary and are always trying to gotcha or avoid being got. When destiny would ask a step 1 question, she would immedately try to see and jump 5 steps thinking destiny is trying to trap her, talking past the whole conversation. When destiny said that is not what he is doing and wants an answer to the actual question, she will say i just wanna talk about abortion, this isnt abortion. Her attempt to steelman the other side also qualified and led to her patting herself on the back. For people that care about life in these conversations they seem to never care about the person across the table and view them strictly as enemies, not beings to have conversations with or discuss beliefs. When she said she overturned all her moral beliefs except abortion and never will it just further cements destinys statements that these people are unable ever to change their position. They cannot even try to empathize the other position or play devil's advocate. Even if pro life ends up completely right, their inability to try to convice people and overcharge conversations and attempt understanding to inform others shows the failure in their execution of their movement
Women? I think you mean girl.
"Insufferable woman"
That's not a woman. That's a child.
i literally got 2 the hour mark where she just did it when destiny cornered her
Her thinking its easy to define consciousness speaks to her ignorance on the topic
THIS
Consciousness is qualitative experiential awareness. Boom. Three words. Easy. Philosophers busy themselves with easy problems in order to make themselves feel smarter 😂😂😂
You can tell she's not very old after listening to her talk for a few minutes but God Almighty her age REALLY shows the longer it goes on. She's so confident she's right she's not even engaging with the conversation from Destiny's perspective
she has that tiktok girl voice lol
I love when Destiny argues from a "pro"life side against "pro"lifers. It makes them lose their mind. 😂
Because hes taking it to the absolute ridiculous extremes. It would make everyone lose their minds. Saying women who are pregnant to be locked into a hospital to prevent an accidental miscarriage is akin to piers morgan saying hes a black lesbian penguin.
@@sy-cho_boy1238but that’s not the point. If a fetus is equal to a baby, then a lot of miscarriages can be labeled as “child neglect”. The main point is to say that even pro lifers don’t ACTUALLY think a fetus is equivalent to a baby. If 20% of babies die in the first year of their life for whatever reason, we’d obviously we very invested in stopping it.
@@sy-cho_boy1238 but women who have multiple miscarriages continue to try to conceive…shouldn’t they stop trying instead of bringing children into a hostile environment? If I brought my born children into an environment I knew could get them killed, you’d say I was reckless or a bad parent. If you shoot and kill someone accidentally, even if you didn’t see them there, you could still be charged with involuntary manslaughter or some other type of homicide . If you think it’s preposterous to apply this rule to pregnancy and miscarriages, it’s because you don’t think embryos have the same value as born people. That’s the point destiny is getting at.
@@sy-cho_boy1238 if I hold a position that I care about life and life starts at conception and then say yeah whatever women can drink if they are one week pregnant then I do not hold the position of life being valuable. It's not that hard to get. And it's not extreme.
@@smchp2007 fair point, cant really argue with that too much.
Every point this person makes, makes me want to go from a subjective conscious experience, to an unconscious experience
Beautiful comment
its her "job" to talk about abortion, yet half of the arguments that destiny presents are something she clearly herard for the first time in her short 19 year old life
Right like most of this isn't new. At least the anti abort duo from a few days ago clearly had engaged with some of this before
By "talk about abortion" she means literally her talking about it on Twitter. No discussion. No debate. Just her screeching.
When she said "I've been doing this for a long time" I cringed so hard
Since when has she been doing this? Since she was 16? Since she was 14?
Like when you get your 4 year degree in physics you wouldn't say "Oh yeah I've been doing this for a long time"
This girl talking through those beautiful piano riffs is literally the best thing of all time 😂 literally DYING rn
The fucking piano kills me bro
This 19 year old woman-child has consciousness figured out! I can’t wait to see her get her Nobel prize! 😆