2015 Chrysler 200S vs Subaru Legacy 3.6L TFL4K Matchup Review: AWD vs AWD
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) 2015 Chrysler 200S and the 2015 Subaru Legacy 3.6 Limited sedan are two cars that compete head to head especially since both cars can be purchased with all-wheel-drive. Both of these AWD sedans compete in the most popular automotive segment in the United States. The question is an easy one: which one is the better car? In another TFLcar Matchup review Roman finds out as he drives both new AWD sedans back to back.
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You really don't think the chrysler is good looking? Wow...I think it's one of the best looking sedans money can buy...
I disagree
Agreed
Agreed
Yeah I fully agree with this even 9 years later
One year later, the 200 is going to be discontinued, and the Subaru is cleaning house on awards around the world....
It's sad, as the Chrysler is actually a solid car in that it really does feel connected to the road plus, aside from Buick, is profoundly quiet.
Subaru has a lot of fan boys making it the VW of the East.
The repair statistics on the 200 are staggeringly bad, Chrysler is dropping this car to go back to the drawing board and build a more reliable car.
its Americans problem cause the car is just fine. i don't buy Japaneses the boxer engine is a updated corvair engine.
you do realize that most "American" cars are filled with parts made elsewhere? Most Chrysler products have Fiat parts in them. Good for you for thinking boxer engines are updated Corvair engines especially given the boxer engine has been around since well before the Corvair.
You have such an important job. I watched some other producer's video on the 200s and genuinely disliked it, yet watched yours and fell in love with it again. Great job! @fastlanecar
I enjoy the comparison. What wasn't mentioned was reliability and life expectancy. Not everybody gets a new car every 2 years. If you factor those in, Subaru gets a boost.
i agree. Its kind of boring to drive, but I'd like to have my car last very long. I have a 2014 Legacy. I bought it with 96k and its been great.
HERMOSABEACHGUY To be honest Chryslers really aren't as bad as people say they are but, they have a bad reputation so every little problem with their cars seems much worse to people than if it were on say a Honda or Toyota
Joel Repass i totally agree
@@joelrepass2379 Yes, the Chrysler reputation was ruined mostly by the infamous 2.7 liter v6 from sebring, which coolant pump was not sealed correctly and was injecting coolant into oil, making the sludge.
3.6l is unkillable... boxer engine is known to be a bit less reliable... get your facts right. Theres tons of jeeps over 300 miles out there the pentastar is a tank
Still waiting on someone to review a car without bitching about CVT's.
Yea they need to bitch to the Government who has mandated stricter emissions and fuel economy
Major Pain No they should bitch to the planet for getting hotter.
Nissan micra only cvt that works cuz they do
This is not a review... sounds more like his personal likes and wants. Subaru's AWD is far superior. I'm very involved in the auto repair industry and long term satisfaction, Subaru.
These guys are the worst at testing cars. Every segment I've watched left me knowing no more about either car they're testing/comparing than I knew before watching. You bring together two all-wheel drive cars and mention nearly nothing about their all-wheel drive capabilities. The Subaru has the ultimate AWD powertrain system and you concentrate on how pretty the interior is or isn't. People buy Subaru for their pedigree and the Chrysler doesn't stand a snowballs chance when you put it side by side with any Subaru product on a wet or smowy road.
mentioned everything but the COST. Most will BUY the 4 CYL Legacy and get the best AWD MPG and the best RESALE and dependability. I still can't get over the fact that 7 year old OUTBACKS with over 100K on them are almost $10K still.
Most 200 models sold will come with the Tigershark 2.4 liter 4 cyl and get 36 MPG highway.
If you are willing to overpay for a used 100k vehicle...that's your own fault. Also times change, grandpa. It wasn't that long ago Fusions, Impala's, etc were considered junk. Now their quality, resale, dependability are up there with the rest. I see no reason the same won't happen for the 200c...given it is basically new from the ground up.
respdoc well you were wrong
I am not a fan of CVTs. Subaru has one of the Best. Reliable and efficient. You can put it in sport mode were it mimics and 8 speed transmission. I tried the 9 speed auto in the Cherokee and it was horrible. The Subaru also should hold up much better in the long run and has a proven awd system.
hold uo until the head gasket will blew and the engine will start pissing oil everywhere i'm a Chrysler Tech and the pentastar is a solid engine ,some of them have trouble with the bank 2 Head mostly on 2011-2102
Jonathan Lessard Head gasket problems happen well after 150,000 miles (on older Subaru's). The 200 will be dead and berried by then. Stop joking. That 9 speed wont make it to 100k. You want to talk about the Sebring?
Jonathan Lessard Head gasket issues on Subaru's have pretty much vanished since after 2003. If you want to live in the past, YOU of all people being a Chrysler tech should know about head gaskets with older Chryslers.
bluefox4848
On modern Subaru's you MUST use the correct coolant and replace it when recommended. Or history will repeat itself.
bluefox4848 Not true. I have looked at some used Subarus from the mid-2000's with 140,000-200,000 kilometres on them and they have either had the head gasket replaced or it was going to need replacing. The service managers say it isn't a problem but then you find out there are cars in their bays all the time that are getting it done. The prospect of a $3000 repair put me off buying one. If you look at Consumer Reports, you will also see that the head gasket issue is a problem up until at least 2009. Since then, they may have improved, or it is too early to tell.
I would have to disagree about the looks of the Chrysler 200. Of course the Mazda and the Fusion take the cake for being the best looking cars in the segment, but I still think that the 200 is a great contender, looks wise.
I can’t imagine why Subaru won’t loan you any more cars. I mean all your complaining about the CVT, the looks, and the fact that you took the Outback off road in conditions it wasn’t made for, you complained some more when it wouldn’t do things a dedicated 4 wheel drive would do, and you scratched the crap out of the paint on your off-road video with it. I mean how dare a car company not loan a bunch of nonprofessional reviewers on UA-cam a vehicle especially when the hate on it and physically destroy it.
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the Subaru part of this review is just plain bad and poorly tested. I had to go watch other non Chrysler paid videos for a proper review. he didn't even know that the Subaru changes its gearing on hard acceleration to reach high rpm. and then proceeded to make a fool of himself after doing a quick overtaking move in the Subaru. the Mazda 6 is not in the same category as these cars. it's slower then a moped and FWD.
like subaru super reliable
go fu*k your self subaru is just a rally car luxurious and everything other thing is for the chrysler
+Feras every other*
+Feras luxury and comfort. Nothing else. Subaru is more of a poor mans well built reliable long milage car. Although they do make good rally cars too.
rooboy69
I test drove the 200s.
It's a drivers car.
Styling doesn't matter compared to how the car drives.
I currently own a 944 and saab 900s.
The chrysler holds its own with these cars.
If you want a Subaru then buy an impreza variant.
I don't think the Mazda 6 is that great looking, I prefer the new 200.
Agreed
+Mark G. The Chrysler 200 looks like a Hyundai from the early 2000's, it's ugly from the back and front. The Mazda 6 is actually a good looking car. Other honorable mentions would be the Honda Accord, Legacy, Ford Fusion, Nissan Altima and Kia Optima.
The new Camry and chrysler 200 are quite ugly.
Me too. I don't get why so many people are dazzled by the 6 or even the CX-3 (which is a completely different car), but still. Mazda's designing skills are good, but not great.
when you see it in red in the wild it looks amazing sometimes
i don't know why they always try to claim the mazda 6 is so great. u can't get anywhere near the equipment u can get on the Chrysler 200. u can't eaven get a v6 on the mazda 6 or all Wheel drive and a lot of other equipment. and u have to prop the hood up with a prop rod to hold the hood up. Mazda should b ashamed of them selves want all that money for the little equipment u can get on there.
Not a bad review, but it's a little unfortunate that he basically was saying the Chrysler was better simply because of personal preferences. That's fine he has his own opinions - nothing wrong with that, but some of the things he complained about (for either brand) weren't actually problems, or were designed intentionally the way he didn't like.
On another note, personally, I think the Chrysler is a better looking car than either the Mazda or Ford.
The reason I'm rooting for a Subaru is because of their reliability. I have a 10 year old Subaru outback and never had a problem with it. runs smooth and preforms great. Subaru really commits to engineer their cars to last.
Ik people are going to disagree but I actually prefer the interior of the subaru
ghd bfb You just said, "Yes you are stupidity does look better..."
PantherP74 Only from the front though! :D
ghd bfb So you are aware you completely messed it up and intended to?
ghd bfb So you intended to show yourself as dumb while calling someone else dumb. Okay.
ghd bfb Yeah, I doubt that.
The Legacy's CVT is not as bad as you make it seem. Unless you are flooring it everywhere you go, it barely acts like a CVT. Subaru has it programmed to "shift" while keeping the advantages of a CVT such as lower cost, less weight, better fuel economy, etc.
I like Chrysler 200s better than Subaru. It looks nicer. But on awd system Subaru probably will win.
I wish Roman would just buy some souped up v8 manual car and drive that around heaps, then we wouldn't have to hear him bitch and whine ON EVERY FUCKING CVT EQUIPPED CAR VIDEO!!!
why does nobody get the white/black contrast interior on the chrysler? that's the best looking one by FAR
Agreed. I can't think of many car models where it is such a night and day difference in cabin feel as it is in the new 200.
respdoc i just bought the 2015 200s white, limo tint with black leather interior and graphite stock rims with the blue accents of the display. it is sexy as hell. $22k out the door.
Also like the Chrysler I think it looks fresh and better than a lot of its rivals. Nice engine too.
I don't really get Roman's obsession with the Fusion. I mean it's a decent looking car but he talks about it like it's got the styling of a Ferrari or a Lambo. The 200 is a good looking car. It just looks simple, and refined. It's not trying to emulate something that it's not. I wouldn't buy a car in this segment based on looks alone. My wife and I test drove a 2013 Fusion at our local Ford dealer and I wasn't impressed. On startup it had a knock which made me wary right away, and neither I, nor her were impressed with the handling or power when we were driving it. Neither of us liked the interior either. It looks good in pictures, but I just didn't particularly like it in person but perhaps it's just preference.
That being said this segment is very competitive which is good for consumers across the board.
Are you sure it wasn't just the rough clattering sound of direct injection which can almost sound like a knock?
Chrysler really put a lot of effort into the new 200, it stands out on the streets.
This guy is classier and more clever than all three of those arrested juveniles who presume to offer an American version of "Top Gear". The BBC version is hot, the American version is not.
I really like the 200S, nice car. The Subaru looks like a washing machine on four wheels. And with a CVT? No thanks.
As a whole I dislike CVTs, as well, but after renting a 200, having it for a week, the 9 speed while works fine is CONSTANTLY shifting. its almost jarring for driving everyday. We ended up purchasing a 2015 Legacy and absolutely love it. In comparison to any other manufacture CVT, there is no comparison. The feel of the Subaru blow them out of the water. The Honda had to be the worst as far as press the gas and it holds it at 3300rpm. The Subaru works so well that you forget its a CVT, Like he said, it does mimic gears, and always seems to be in its power band without feeling like you are connected to a snowmobile transmission. Id also like to state as a whole they both feel pretty numb, which isn't really a bad thing, both are a pleasant place to spend time inside of and relaxing to drive. but handling I still would choose the Subaru. The last thing and this wasn't addressed in this video but is a HUGE deal breaker to many people, There is not a sedan in this category by any manufacture that has better outward visibility than the Legacy.
@ 10:49 Umm what do you mean subaru is not unique enough for the market? subaru is the only mid-sized sedan that offers a AWD as standard, there isn't much brands out there that even offer AWD as an option.
I think he means exactly what he said...the Subaru is just good enough.
I have to give it to Chrysler, they made a very good looking car. Thats coming from a European whose enjoying all sorts of beauties. Subaru looks good but that 200S just looks classy like an Audi does.
Which one would you like,
CVT car that has Boxer engine and rally bred AWD system
or
9-Speed automatic car that is destined to break down, and a descendant of the disgusting Sebring
ZF Transmissions are the industries least fail prone transmissions, they are found in Various high end cars from Rolls royce to BMW's.
BMW does breakdown what are you on about
Not its 7-8 speed transmissions, 6's? yea
Subbey all day baby.
***** You Go! Get 'Em Jake. Two completely moronic comments from Inimimi28. Knows nothing about cars and still posts that he misses an airline carrier whose negligence resulted in on of the worst disasters in travel history resulting in its own demise.
Funny. Most people want better fuel economy. Why most reviews prefer the Subaru. Not TFLcar. I knew going in, with their severe distaste to the CVT and no shifts - the Subaru had no chance. They do admit the Subaru feels much more solid. There is a reason - Subaru's are very durable. Shown repeatedly, the Chryslers are not the most economical cars or durable. We will see if the durablity has been improved in a few years.
Are you kidding me? the Chrysler is one of the best looking sedans I've seen in long time!
I'll take the Subaru, it''s far more reliable than Chrysler.
Call me crazy but I sorta like how the jellybean on steroids looks. I don't have problems with a CVT though, I drive one just fine. I do think the Chrysler looks a lot better than the Subaru. All these are just my opinions -- who knows how long the 200 will last but I prefer it based on the video.
Being a Subaru guy myself, I think the Chrysler 200 looks absolutely stunning. I love the way it looks. I think Roman is ridiculous in thinking the Ford Fusion looks good (I think it looks HORRID), but that's just opinion.
I just bought a Chrysler 200. I am over the gaping mouth front fascias. It looks stunning and the interior is pretty good in that price range.
Kevin Smith is the car very long like a Mustang ? Or smaller?
I am pretty sure they are smaller.
I can understand the personal preferences and the CVT lacking excitement but when it comes to quality and resale - can anyone make a good case for buying a Chrysler?
Why not. The 200 has nothing in common with the previous generation other than the engine which hasn't had problems. I don't see why it would be unreliable. The Legacy has better AWD though.
+Andrew Branch I was gonna say the same thing. 3 years down the road you'll have a really hard time reselling you 200. I have a 2010 Outback and it still has most of it;s original value. American cars are not good in the resale dept. Unless you talking about Jeep.
+hubergeek Yeah, my grandma has a 2010 model Honda CR-V and its value isn't much less than when it was new back in 2009.
+Etxag03 most people think of Honda and Toyota for "proven reliability" which was proven for the most part in the 90s. The cars, engineers, assembly line workers, management, and technology has changed since then to the point where the commonality between the old proven reliable (or unreliable for American brands up to mid 2000s) car a new one is minimal or none at all. Between this Legacy and 200 for example, not much of anything qualifies as proven yet. If I were to go and buy a brand new Corolla, same thing. Not much is proven and don't think for a second one car will be better than the other just because of the brand name because that would be falling for their marketing scheme. I do know that the 3.6L V6 on the 200 has won various awards since it was released. I'm assuming the Subaru engine is good too.
+hubergeek the wonders a brand name and a cheap metal logo can do for value.
9 is better than 8, 8 is better than 7. Infinite nukes all. CVT = best.
I have driven with a CVT and I hate it. Gears are better.
with the hinges how much usable cargo space does the chrysler realy have win for the subaru if you ask me
Neither are good. I highly recommend the 2015 Hyundai Sonata and 2015 Volkswagen Passat. Far superior driving experience and more responsive handling.
The 2015 Subaru Legacy has numb handing and underpowered engine. Also with Subaru's recent history of transmission problems, I will avoid all new Subaru's.
Shirazi 2015 Hyundai Sonata is the best car in this segment. Most reliable engine, very high quality driving experience with decent road feedback and responsive steering, and no Takata airbags.
Shirazi If you want the most reliable Korean/Japanese car brand, go for Hyundai/Toyota/KIA/Honda.
Shirazi I got the impression the newer Legacies were designed for people who want a comfortable and safe family AWD sedan that's affordable. It isn't meant to appeal to enthusiasts and to me, seems intentionally "boring". That being said, you're treating it for your own preferences, which it won't cater to. What you're doing is like buying a bagel and complaining that it isn't as sweet and colorful as a donut.
To me, the amount of power in the 3.6L Legacy is unnecessary for such a car. Like what are you going to do with all that power, especially with a CVT? I'd rather pay less and get a smaller engine if I'm just looking for a daily commuter car.
Also... what transmission problems?
+Shirazi I agree with you saying that the 200 isn't that great (speaking from a family's bad experience with Chrysler products), but the Legacy is one of the best cars in its segment and has some of the highest safety ratings. I've never heard of transmission problems on a Subaru.
+UltimateDriver No, the Honda Accord is a better car.
I must be part of the extreme minority. I really think the 200 looks better than the fusion. There used to be a deep blue one with chrome accents that's drove around town and it looked good during the day and slick as hell at night.
Although these two cars are in the same segment, I would assume that the buyers for each are different. The Subaru would probably be competing more with Camry, Accord, and Sonata, while the Chrysler would probably compete against the Fusion, the Optima, and the Malibu, The Mazda kind of provides the best of both worlds, in my opinion.
He says the exact opposite about both cars. Most reviews say the Subaru has a fantastic cvt and compares the legacy to the Mazda 6 in driving performance. They also say the 200 fells disconnected and the 9 speed transmission is always buried under gears.
Can someone provide me a little insight as to why Roman seems to hate the idea of a CVT so much? How did the CVT personally hurt him? I guess I don't understand the bitching about it? It's a sedan, it's not made to go off-roading, it's not made to go rock crawling, it's designed for Point A to Point B driving, to work, home, errands and a road trip in the between. I've enjoyed the videos by TFLcar for years, but if Roman can't cut the negativity about the CVT when it's clearly the way that more and more manufactures are headed to with mechanical redesigns. This is especially with pretty much all american sedan's no longer being produced after 2019 it's time to hang up the press pass and retire off in the ether, Roman.
Don’t automatically assume that a CVT is bad. I wouldn’t have a Chrysler up my ass if it fit! Reliability is king.
I am a time traveller from four years in the future. Turns out you were wrong. Subaru has solved the head gasket and oil consumption problems and is selling more cars than ever. The 200 has gone away and nobody misses it, least of all Chrysler dealers.
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They seriously need to rethink about bring back the turbo GT. Nothing beats a turbo subaru in the mountains of Pennsylvania.
Which car do better in snow and wet weather ? Which car has a better resale value ? Everybody has the Right to speak their minds.
I think the 200 is one of the most attractive cars on the market! Especially for the price.
Much agreed
Jason M
Oh well people didn’t buy them, but luckily they’re really cheap on the used car market for those who actually were aware of how great they are
M67v you have got to be kidding. They were one of the worst cars ever made.
Dylan Finestein
How?
And objectively, there’s no way they’re anywhere close to being the worst
M67v The Chrysler 200 was cancelled after 3 production years of the new generation due to complete lack of sales. The fit and finish and quality in the 200s was iffy, the reliability was horrible, the transmission was among the worst and most unreliable transmissions in the modern era, it was way too expensive for the class once you stepped into higher trims, and the interior room is very mediocre for a midsize sedan. All in all, the Chrysler 200 was a terrible, failed attempt for Chrysler to get back into it. The Subaru legacy, meanwhile is still selling quite well on North American roads. If you think about it, there really isn’t anything the Chrysler 200 did better than its rivals.
You will find out what the Legacy can really do when you get to snowy steep mountain where you find no one but bears and cougars
That's what a Jeep is for. In that situation 4WD is better than AWD.
@@calvinrovinescu6166 not on road snow
you have a Mistake on your video about the Saftey of the cars,. BOTH cars have a Top Safety "Plus" Rating when equipped with the Radar/Camera. so its a Tie.
When you think of Subaru you think reliability, and the company has that over Chrysler.
When I think of Subaru, think of hideously loud awful sounding aftermarket exhaust that sounds like a breaking down lawnmower and I also think of blown head gaskets, but top notch AWD.
+Julio Romeresto I'll stick with Subaru. Im sold on my Impreza, cheap on gas and insurance. Love the AWD and the CVT. Plus Safety like no other brand can match.
I've opt for a 6 speeds Legacy, and I love everything of it...
Chrysler looks futuristic even by today's standards.
The 200 looks awesome
Seat comfort vs engine note; those are weird features to juxtapose. I'd go with the Legacy because their AWD system out-performs most other manufacturers.
Just wait a year for the Chrysler to depreciate 40%, then I'd go that route.
The CVT may kill the joy out of driving any car, but at least there's no whiplash when you want to accelerate on the highway like you can sometimes get with a manual
Being an old guy that grew up with Dynaflow then 4 speed hydramatic, prefer Dynaflow over jerky shift. Now driving Dynaflow (CVT)
I think both of these cars look really good I'll give the fact that the Chrysler looks slightly better than the Subaru but for my money I'll stick with the Subaru because it's going to be on the road a whole lot longer than the Chrysler will be. Also between the two all wheel drive systems I know the Subaru is much more proven than the Chrysler.
SilverWolf25 I highly doubt that as long as you take good care of your car it would take care of you. Also I own a chrysler 200 myself and love it. The only problem I had was my steering pump went bad and my rack and pinion....
I'm over the horsepower crap. I have a Mazda 3 and I love it. Mazda 6 has it right by sticking 4-cylinder only.
Like Mazda has History of Bigger Engines..*rolls eyes*
Tomaz Hilton That's funny; they currently offer a 3.7 liter V6 with 273 horsepower in their CX-9 SUV. That is a comparable engine to the 3.6 engines in the Subaru and the Chrysler. The only difference is they don't offer it in a sedan.
Don't you look dumb, lol.
ok and? Name another V6? yea not much history. FCA currently has a 3.0, 3.0 Diesel, 3.2, and a 3.6 under they umbrella.
Tomaz Hilton You've completely missed my point. All I said was, I was over the horsepower thing, and felt Mazda did right by sticking 4-cylinder only. Both 4-cylinders are smooth, responsive, and get great mpg.
PantherP74 I know that was your point but my point was that they don't have the experience nor never needed the need for a V6 in mainstream trims. Save the V6 for a Speed model if the Rotary isn't developed
The question is with a morning mist on the hairpin bent... Which awd I trust my life doing twice as fast as the posted limit.
+Edward Law True, he should've include that in the review, AWD would be the first reason you would consider either of this two cars.
+Edward Law subaru it is
+Weblider be careful though. You must know that the AWD on the Legacy and other CVT equipped Subarus is not the old symmetrical 50/50 split viscous coupling AWD. It is a slightly front biased electronic setup. While it probably is still better than the 200's AWD, it isn't the same system as the famous Subaru AWD, it might actually be better though.
How about comparing AWD vs AWD? It's in the title of the video for Christ's sake but there's no comparison made in the review, and with a rough, snowy winter on the way, too!
I want to know which is the more more useful car. Teenage boys focus on HP and rev noise. I'm not a teenage boy anymore.
to all the cvt bashers hold on a sec i have watched many reviews say the 9 speed felt like a cvt so you cant form am opinion till you drive them your self
however the subarus reliablity is much better . and the 9 speed in the chrysler ha been fighting with issues .
i'd bet my hat that the awd in the subaru is vastly surperior
I'm willing to bet that if Roman didn't know which one was CVT, he wouldn't have been able to tell the difference. I drove the Outback 3.6R and was pleasantly surprised with the CVT in it.
that Chrysler looks like its got a monobrow, and those headlights make it look dopey
Hey Roman, you are too harsh on the CVT. So what if it does not make the engine go through the RPM range, you are talking about WOT acceleration, which is something most drivers do only rarely. For most of the time, it is smooth and pleasant, always having the right gear for all occasions.
These videos continue to get better and it shows in its quality. Good Job!
how does the awd drive system on the Chrysler compare to the Subaru. I would like to see a ramp test of both systems
Didnt really like this reviewer at first cuz hes not passionate and kinda boring but hes got a ton of content out lately and I agree with almost all his opinions except on style. Thumbs up. Hope he continues the good reviews.
I know this is an old Video. But as a current owner of a 2015 Chrysler 200C AWD with the 3.6L I have to call foul regarding you saying it is Stylistically Challenged. The firs thing I loved about the 2015 model was the look. It was and still is a great looking car. I am getting ready to actually go to Colorado and buy another one, used of course. Also, there isn't another competing sedan from the 2015-2016 or even the 2017 model years that can totally compete with the Chrysler in terms of acceleration, handling, getting the power down, or driving in the snow. I have over 85,000 miles on my current 200C AWD and I have put to shame Subaru Imprezas, Fusions, Accords, Kia Optimas, Hyundai Sonatas, and other cars that aren't even in the segment such as Mustangs. The 200C AWD with the 3.6L and it's 295 HP and 289 lb/ft of Torque is great at putting that power onto the pavement and when you put it into "S" mode it will keep the engine in it's optimum torque range to pull hard. On the highway, even at 80 MPH the engine is running at about 1750 RPM thanks to the 9 Speed Transmission.
lets face it, the legacy will be on the road in 13 years, the chrysler will need major repair in 3.
Let's face it. They probably will last for about the same time. The past is meaningless as cars from the past have nothing in common with these cars.
2015 200s owner here and no repairs needed here, bud.
Abel flores same here 2012 limited owner here no repair needed so far.
My subaru needed an engine.
2015 legacy owner here, 128k miles No problems!!!!!!!
The subaru legacy looks 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times better than the chrysler 200S
I didn't even have to watch the video to know this reviewer is going to choose the Chrysler at the end.
If you put these two cars on a dyno then the power difference would be a LOT smaller. Because the standard V shaped engines in modern cars have a hard time transferring power to the wheels due to the limitations of putting two rows of cylinders on one crank shaft.
Roman you clearly haven't really driven the 2015 Legacy. If you had then you would know when you floor the pedal the transmission emulates a 6 speed. I think you and the other auto journalist that think they know better need to stop crying about CVTs. They have fewer moving parts and get better gas millage so they are the way of the future. Sure you can get a 9 or 10 speed automatic but then you add expense and reliability issues just for that "shifting" feeling you seem to be so in love with. Personally I find a shiftless acceleration experience to be far more luxurious. At the end of the day the Legacy and Outback are build to be safe, reliable, and full of utility. Subaru never said the Legacy / Outback was or is a super high performance sports car. Like all the rest of the no nothing useless auto journalists you need to get an understanding for what a car is built for and stop trying to compare everything to a Ferrari Enzo. I wished I could give this a good 2,000 thumbs down. I'm just glad I'm not subscribed to this channel.
I'm confused. He downs the Chrysler interior throughout the video, but in the end he prefers the 200 based partial on the "better" interior? Hmmm...
I also like how they choose a 3.6R Legacy with Eyesight and didn't show what it can do. I've test drove the Legacy w/Eyesight and was amazed at how it performed!
1 cubic foot wins the utility contest? Let's see shich one you can stick more 2x4s in. My guess is the Subaru since the "ski" pass through is so much larger, which you failed to show.
Hey Roman. Put the cars on ice and watch the AWD winner.
Chrysler - Make that 80,000 miles count, lol. Or more likely, 60 to 70,000 miles.
In the review Roman mentions that 200 S has radar cruise control but the test car does not have one because I noticed that there are no adaptive cruise control buttons on the steering wheel and no forward collision warning/lane keep assist buttons on the dashboard.
Good job. Entertaining and informative as usual. Ty Nathan and Roman.
I've been renting a lot of cars recently and must say that the Chrysler 200 is a solid and enjoyable car besting Fusion and Camry.
The people who would pick the Subaru because of just the MPG, well you spend more money in first place, those few grand would buy you years of fuel, and second, that small MPG gap between the two cars is not that noticeable.
Review is so so, what about reliability? How many recalls will the Dodge endure? The Subaru has a far better all wheel drive system. Also the the Subaru Boxer engines are renown for reliability over the long term. It's not just all about horse power and how many gears are in the transmission. I've been driving a 1998 Outback with a weak 2.5L 162 hp boxer engine with 234,000 km on the clock. This car has never let me down, drove through many snow storms, up mountains where friend wouldn't go with their 4x4s. I'm currently waiting delivery of a 2015 Outback 3.6R. Will be interesting to see where Dodge will be in 10 plus years...
Well the AWD on the Subaru cars is excellent, but for off-roadies 4WD is still better which is why Jeeps and trucks still use 4WD.
+Julio Romeresto LOL if I was to go off-road, really off-road, like rock climbing and so on, it would be an older model jeep cj or landrover. Now if I had a ton of $$$$ it would be hands down a Unimog :) BTW my Outback was delivered shortly after this post was originally made. The OB has lived up to everything and some. Very nice vehicle, best fake wood trim in the business, even looks better then the real wood trim in my Mercedes....lol..Have a good one :)
I'm sure the New legacy will become a good base for tuners . A big engine a lot of potential .
I'm not complaining about the fuel economy for either one. It makes sense that the one with more horsepower gets slightly worse fuel economy. What doesn't make sense is that my 2013 Mustang GT can get 29 mpg despite having 440 horsepower. That being said, i'm questioning whether or not the tests were "real world tests" as this channel does.
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4~5 years ago I would instantly conclude the Legacy was a better car. Period. Now in 2015 I'm not so sure anymore.
Looks: the older 03~08 Legacies were the best looking midsize cars of their time. The 09~14 was decent, but this 15~ is kind of hideous. Conversely, I always hated the Sebring & 11~14 200. Now in the 15~ 200, I think it looks pretty nice; feels more like a Mercedes CLA than another Camry/Accord clone. The story is pretty much the same as the interior. Yes the Legacy is larger, but if I wanted space I'd skip this and jump in the Impala. The 200 wins here.
Engine: Subaru H6 despite displacing 3.6 liters it is arguably the weakest 6cyl in any midsize car (some competitors 2.0 I4 turbos even beat it). Yet sitting in the same factory we have the really torquey & more efficient FA20 DIT H4 turbo under the hood of the Forester XT & Impreza WRX. Why not just ditch the EZ36 altogether? The 200's Pentastar 3.6 is arguably Chrysler's best engine they make bar those big V8s, and the 200 equipped with it actually is the most powerful in segment. I'd just wished FCA sort out the shifting algorithm of that 9spd auto, but nothing that cannot be solved with a software update in the future.
Handling: The 03~08 Legacy were the sharpest tools when the Mazda6 & Ford Fusion shared rather bloated platforms in the day. It handled like a more grown-up WRX especially the 3.0R Spec. B. Even the 09~14 had a 2.5GT: a Legacy with a WRX powertrain matched with a 6spd MT gearbox. This current one? Nothing. The 200 however can be spec-ed from either C or S depending on your taste & the platform is derived from the Alfa Romeo Giulietta & Dodge Dart; both noted to be very driver-oriented machines.
The only reservations I have left is the fine-tuning of the suspension, transmission & long-term reliability of the 200. Other than those things, the 200 in my eyes is heading in the right direction of where the Sebring where it once started. For the other, Subaru just keeps making the wrong decisions that makes each generation of Legacy somehow more generic & Camry/Accord like over time.
+Trades46 Eh.
+Trades46 Well, there's a small problem: the 200 will soon no longer be an option.
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Indeed. FCA is making a big mistake killing the Dart & 200, Yes SUVs & Trucks are the hot thing now, but gas won't stay cheap forever...
However, starting 2017 Ford will start selling the Fusion Sport, equipped with a 2.7 liter V6 twin turbo matched with AWD. ~325hp & 350lb/ft of torque. That would be my pick for a non-luxury sporty AWD sedan.
Here's a better idea for Subaru. Instead of replacing the nice 6 cylinder with a boring 4 cylinder, just make it better. As for the 200, I think the fate of it is still undecided at this point. The Dart is done though.
+Trades46 Yeah, I think they'd realize they'd be making a big mistake if we end up having gas prices go up as rapidly as they did during the Great Recession.
Anyways, if you don't mind me asking, will the Fusion's twin, the Lincoln MKZ, also have AWD as an option?
Don't compete? Yeah ok, come test drive my 2011 Subaru legacy 3.6r.....Its a very quick car, smooth shifting, acceleration is great, launch is great, its so smooth on the road, highway, dirt, whatever.....Put it in paddle mode and I would eat that Chrysler for a snack...I've went up against STi's, Evo's, 2016 and up Civics, Accords, Audi S4, A4, infiniti's etc .... .....what are you talkin about! The Legacy is a sleeper don't listen to this review....
I haven't watched the vid or read any comments or even the description. I am sure the 200s will win, though.
I would probably take the 200s if I could only choose between these two. But both have cons: Subaru' s tiresome CVT, and Chrysler' s history behind it.
I drove too many CVT's the maxima being the worst.
***** Im not talking about 0-60, Im talking about everyday normal driving to much drone. And gas mileage sucked on it. Plus the Altima is quicker than the maxima which is stupid since the maxima is supposed to be a "flagship" model.
Jonathan Washington I can tell you the 9-speed ZF in the chrysler is no better. The only company to properly tune, program, and utilize that trans so far is Acura with the new TLX. But even they are still experiancing some trouble with it.
Nissan just plain doesnt know how to do a good CVT. However Hondas CVTs are supposed to be fantastic.
Logan L You have to go at least 75MPH to get it into 9th gear.
Logan L And I can't imagine this transmission living to see 100k miles...
Some of the most popular cars and most reliable use CVT's the average persons needs are suited perfectly fine with cars that have CVT's because they are after gas milage not horse power and fun if horse power and fun are what you look at when buying a car then your shopping wrong I think good reliability trump's all
I'm happy with my Chrysler 200S I have every option and AWD. In all honesty I rather have the subaru, but because I got a fully loaded 200 for 10k less then the subaru that was base with no option, I rather take what I have.
I only came here for the 200
Me too
That 200 does not radar cruise control. You would see the sensors poking through the lower bumper. Only the C trim level can get adaptive cruise control, not the S.
That 200 isn't equip with the radar tech. That's why you couldn't see it... And the point was given to the Subaru for interior but the Chrysler was chosen for the interior? This is why I've stopped watching these reviews.
I have to disagree with Roman that these cars are not competitive with the Fusion or Mazda 6. A V6 isn't even available on the Fusion, and I'm personally not a fan of the Mazda's looks. The 200 has a better interior than all of them, and I'd rate the exterior second out of the bunch. I'd say both cars are competitive, but it probably comes down to price and where you set your priorities.
I rented a crysler 200S and at past 70mile/h it felt about to take off and leave the wheels on the tarmac whenever there was a "wave" in the tarmac.
When you factor in reliability Subaru wins easily. I have a friend with a 2014 200 with a wonderful 8 speed which was replaced under warranty already for dropping oil.
Funny you said that Because The 200 before 2015 only had old a tired 4 speed and a 6 speed transmission sourced from Hyundai..... Trolls.... smh
you can't really say that regarding reliability. the 200 is made of materials that are too new to predict how reliable it is other than the engine. however the engine is tuned differently to each car chrysler has used it for, but if you want to go reliability on it... it was one of Wards best 10 engines. btw the 2014 doesn't have a 8 speed.
The 200's powertrain is also in Base AWD Cherokees, just less sophisticated because it doesnt have the "4x4 rear locking diff". its Interior and platform is currently 2 years old (Dodge Dart.) so you CAN say its reliable. you have a better chance at a Corvette blowing its motor (can say that because they havent released a recall about that problem yet) than anything other than Regular routine Maintenance/Recalls happening to a 200.
Tomaz Hilton yes, what I mean to argue is his point on how the subie's reliability was higher than the 200. which i disagree
Ahhh ok
i would take the subaru legacy over the chrysler 200. the subaru is more sporty and more reliable then chrysler.
That would be "than the Chrysler" not "then" and Chrysler as well as Subaru and Legacy would be capitalized.
chrysler transmission are the worst. chrysler cars may look good but their reliability no where near subaru
The Subaru has much less power so it is not more sporty.
+Julio Romeresto its not about the power. its all about the body style.
Subaru's are unreliable,bad head gaskets on every Subaru and the CVT are known to fail.
Chrysler has a reliable engine the 1 st model year some transmissions were recalled and a computer upgrade and were reliable..
Chrysler is better looking and quicker 5.5-5.9 0-60..Subaru 7.2 with the V6.
I own a used car lot and own multiple versions of these cars,on sale NOW !
The problem with Chyrsler is you never know if your car going to desapear like they did with the Stratus, the Neon, the Intrepid and other models. With Honda and Toyota you have more reliability.
With Honda and Toyota you HAD more reliability. Who knows nowadays.
I missed these type of reviews!
This review should have been "200s & legacy Vs the rest of the segment". whilst there is some comparison between these two cars, I feel the segment comparisons a little annoying when there's plenty of reviews for us to refer to.
this guy also says a CVT kills the joy of driving any car could have fooled me i have a CVT and its been great these people that do reviews have no clue what the average commuter wants
I have driven a vehicle with a CVT and I hate the CVT. It is awful. The only thing I like is the engine braking.
Subaru has always and still does build a better car then Chrysler no comparison