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Scientology, David Miscavige and Tom Cruise ft Marc Headley
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2018
- This week I have former Sea Org member Marc Headley on for an extended-length interview about his history in Scientology and the Sea Organization, how he met David Miscavige and what life is really like at Scientology's International Headquarters and he talks about tales Miscavige used to tell about Tom Cruise being the most dedicated Scientologist on the planet.
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Someone commented that even David Miscavige’s DAD (Ronald) escaped Scientology! *That is absolutely true* and I was fortunate enough to have several important conversations with him and what a wonderful gentleman he was! He wrote a book about everything he went through with his son and despite the horrific abuse, he still cried over the loss of his son (even though David was still alive, he treated his dad as though he was dead) and how horribly cruel the “church”’s minions were to him daily. Mr. Ronald Miscavige died June 24 2021 with NO money for funeral. His own son refused to give a penny but go fund me were able to raise approximately $10,000 for funeral expenses in dignity. *Ronald never asked for money, never had a “poor me” attitude, he just wrote his truth about Scientology and about David.* I just wanted to say, he was a deeply kind, and gentle man who was *NOTHING LIKE HIS SON* I am so grateful I got to call him my friend. *May David rot in hell.* 🤬🤬
That Tom Cruise has finally found someone he doesn't have to look up to in David Miscavige must be the real reason he likes Scientology so much.
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Haha 😂
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I hope every last one of you prevail and get this cult brought down and brought to justice. Thanks for all you guys are doing.
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Marc is just so likable
Same in every interview. Marc emits a very positive energy, recounting so many stories with enthusiasm and humor. Marc has been on multiple times with Chris (here), Jeffrey Augustine (Surviving Scientology), Aaron Smith-Levin (Growing Up in Scientology), and with COB's dad Ron Miscavige! Marc is a really interesting and entertaining interview guest!
I just finished listening to his book, he had me laughing many times with his delivery
This guy and his wife r great. They r the example of having a moral compass. He knew when shit got fd up and got out. He was smart enough to not to take daves physical beatings. Kudos marc for speaking out. U r bringing awareness constantly to those who need to b informed. Keep on keepin on brotha!!!!
I enjoyed this interview very much. Out of curiosity, I went to a scientology church/building to get info and felt like I was taken over, found myself in a room watching a strange film then in a class being signed up...then got the feeling I was being gaslighted...I tried to leave early and was told I couldn't leave. I almost lost it. I am an educated person. I began some research and found this. So glad I did. My instincts were right on. Pheww! Thanks again, Chris and Marc.
Debbie L. So glad you followed you gut!
OMG, if someone told me I couldn't leave a place, I would lose it. You would be able to hear me screaming in the next county.
Debbie L. They actually told you that you couldn’t leave. These people are absolutely scary. I don’t get how the police aren’t involved in this and the treatment of children. I have heard so many stories where young children like 8 years old working 14 hour days. This is child abuse.
What does it mean to be gas lighted?
@@George50809 It's now a common term, not specific to scientology and based on the old movie 'Gaslight' where a husband manipulates his wife into questioning her thought processes and ultimately her sanity by turning lights up and down then denying it.
I mean even DAVID’S own dad had to escape! This is a CULT.
@Lee 1227 you in scientology? You gonna get in trouble. #golfcartcot
@Lee 1227 well you're wrong cause the church of Scientology is a cult
Lee 1227 you’re gonna need a looooot of auditing after talking to us suppressives
@Lee 1227 I remember in the early 90's when the Swiss and German governments ruled that scientology is not permitted to classify itself as a church. The main premise was that this organisation required people to pay membership fees and pay for courses.
Any real church hopes for donations but they don't make them a requirement. There is no set fee and anyone can be a member of a church.
How much money have you spent so far, Lee? How much have you progressed? How many promises have been broken?
Are you living in your own home, or are you one of many sharing a room? Have you been punished? Have you been told you're nothing, you need to be better?
Find your inner strength and ask questions of yourself.
@Lee 1227 of course you don't have money or care about it, you've given it all to them, and they're telling you you don't need it. Cults are commonly extremely wealthy, so I'm not sure where you've been looking.
I'm not impressed by Ton Cruise, he's a complete nutcase. Celebrities are treated better than anyone else, obviously. I don't see Miscavige send his fellow short-arse into the RPF, so of course celebrities can stay and have a fun time.
You're saving the world, Lee? Are you, ARE you really? What have you done so far? Been audited? Done a few courses? -which you paid money for.... increasingly more and more money.
How many friends have you had to stop seeing?
Salvation doesn't cost, Lee. What if your whole and only purpose in life is to make the most of it? See and make friends and family. Live, laugh, travel, be kind. I feel for you, Lee. I hope you get out before its too late.
Marc has an unbelievable sense of humor about being a cult victim for DECADES of his life. Sometimes shit you went through is so unbelievable, you have to just laugh once it's past. Very relatable.
I just had to let you know that CC on this video is quite funny. I use closed captioning because I need it, and I've been so tickled seeing the CC mangle David Miscavige's name. Often "David Miss Cabbage" shows up, but the best one without fail was "David Anus Cabbage". Nearly spit my tea out laughing.
Hahahahaha!!!!
Hilarious
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i have got David Miscarriage
Chris, one of your best interviews. Marc is a fabulous story teller. Bonus... No coerced or coercion, so thank you! Love your content, and your darling wife and mother. Thanks again!
Finally! Yes, Marc is the best storyteller, as well as having great stories!
absolutely, he is!
100% agree ❤
Goddamn he’s just about the only one who can still surprise me about the sort of shit Miscavige gets up to
'Blown For Good' was the first Scientology survivor book I read. And Marc's glossary is the best list of Scn-speak I've ever seen!
Spike Robinson same
Spike Robinson. It was a great book.
Mark Headley is so awesome! I could listen to his stories all day. Good interview for sure.
I used to think that Tom was a victim of David Miscavige.
But Tom has had many opportunities to know about David's criminal activities
and done nothing to expose them.
So he is fully accountable for the damage he is doing to those who don't know that his pal and hero Miscavige is a psychopath.
Shame on you, Tom.
And John Travolta too! Watch "Going Clear" on HBO.
According to this interview and many others, Tom and David are basically partners.
I agree. He is one of my favourite actors but knowing about all this shit, I don't know anymore....
Tom's ass is owned by the movie business pedophiles and by the psychopath David MisCavige. But, he's also become a multi-millionaire and gets all the boy/girl toys he wants. He's got no Soul of his own left.
Yes but conveniently Scientology, does not believe in psychiatry. So they would deny the existence of psychopathy. Looks like Ron was afraid......😉
HOW is it that this guy isn’t on mainstream tv telling his story.
Thank you!
He is and has. Look it up.
I love that Marc interviews himself basically!! Chris always has fantastic questions to get it back on track. Another great interview, thanks!
Lilie Anna I love to listen to Clair, too ..
💯 could listen 5h strsight ❣️
When is something going to be done about the many abuses, especially of children forced to labor long hours and separated from their parents for months or years? How are they able to continue this way? What will it take to stop this?
One of the most insightful interviews about Scientology I've watched so far 👍👍👍👍
Monika Linder If you haven't read Marx's book,, you should. It's awesome.
The truth will always out! Brilliant! Keep it coming.
I have commented before, hello from El Paso, Texas! And it has been your videos that kept me from seeking out Scientology here in El Paso, which we actually have a branch here! That’s because we have ALOT of old money in this town, despite our 83% Hispanic population. I can’t even fathom the damage that Scientology has inflicted here!! Thank God for your videos.
vividsmile1 I just want to ask you what about Scientology did you find attractive and then what was the specific thing from Chris's channel/ podcasts that kept you from joining? Thanks!
vividsmile1 I wouldn’t join ANY organized religion, they’re all corrupt. Better to seek out small community churches that are independent if you want such a thing in your life.
what's the link between old money and scientology?
@@moustik31 Living off of investments so there will be more coming in.
I'm reading Blown for Good right now! Chaper by chapter is wave after wave of crazy, "omg, the BS never ends!" The goal post for crazy seems to move further away from normal with every new incident. Mark, I'm glad you got out and I can't wait for Claire's book!
Carolyn Oshanek can I borrow your copy
Marc is a great American hero .... It's about time!!!!!
Great interview! I could listen to 10 more hours! Please have him on again if you can! :)
Yes another two hour interview, please!
j ss yes!!!
Exactly jss!! I could listen to Marc's insight about this insanity for hours. He's so interesting!!
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Marc is so genuine I love listening to his stories!
I can’t believe no group ever lost it and tied up the “leaders”.
Right. People tried to kill Hitler. You'd think *someone* could bump Miscavige for Christ's sake.
Read Marc Headly's book. It's great, he was one of the very few people who almost hit David Miscavige back. Lol
He’s probably surrounded by bodyguards.
I know growing up Scientology is far worse, but I was in a cult for years as a teenager, and so much of this is like taking a walk down memory lane for me. Even the way you're sharing funny stories and laughing at the ridiculousness sounds exactly like what my friends and I do when we catch up.
The main difference is that the leader of my particular religious cult was a pervert and molested a lot of us. Ironically, he's the same guy the Duggar family sent Josh to for "counseling" when they learned he'd been molesting his sisters.
Needless to say, that was like sending an alcoholic to a liquor store for addiction therapy, so when I heard that, I was sick to my stomach. I knew it was bad, but I never realized how many predators we were surrounded by in that place.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Isn't it though? I'm so glad this work is of help. You're making the exact point I try to make here over and over: it's not so much the crazy beliefs but it's what they do with them and how they do it which makes these things so destructive.
Chris and Marc, excellent video, very informative, please keep up the good work, keep the public informed, you are protecting the vulnerable from evil. 💪💪💪💪💪
Thank you so much for this video. It was like watching two soldiers swapping war stories-awesome. I’ve never been involved with Scientology but my bio father was all in. I’ve always been curious (and repelled) by it. This was so informative, so thank you. I’m glad you both got out.
The more that comes out about Miscavige, it seems like he is doing more to bring Scientology down than any outside force can
Tom Cruise is so drunk on the power, presence, and gifts that Scientology bestows upon him, and he's completely changed into some super intense, truly bizarre and nonsensical weirdo. This persona we see is saccharin; phony. It is an outward appearance that Tom has painstakingly practiced, artfully crafted, meticulously perfected, and masterfully controls... to the point of seeming like that kiss-ass office suck-up, on a mission to take over the company. Not only is it transparent, it's pathetic. When he no longer serves a purpose within this cult, make no mistake about it, David Miscavige will turn on him too, kick him to the curb, and expose every dirty secret he ever revealed in those Orwellian audits.
Playful Kitten I think Tom Cruise and David Miscavige have a man crush on each other.
"orwellian" audits. couldn't describe them better. that's right on point 😐😞
TC wants to take over.
@Brad Williams I agree or one of his kids.
" Birds of a feather flock together".
Chris, I think this is by far your best video! I watched the full two hours straight through, an amazing interview. This guy is fantastic, the most impressive Scientologist I have ever watched on UA-cam: congratulations on a job well done!
Thanks!
Marc not only spilled the tea, he brewed more and then spilled that too. Omg😳🤣😂
@Brad Williams Scientology funding group has taken note of your retirement account - thank you
George Washington lol OMG
I could watch Marc all the time. Thanks Chris!
Who is gonna mention those adorable scrabble tiles with all their names on the wall behind Marc??? Love it!! ❤️
I guess it just makes me happy that despite all Marc and Claire have gone through, they came out on the other side, still together with an amazing family and clearly love each other...scientology breaks apart so many relationships and families...but the Headleys broke thru all that and said F*** U Scientology!!!
I loved those too!
winkle1983 omg. That's all I was thinking was about those cool scrabble tiles and ,yes, Mark is awesome!
Theresa Akins I kept waiting for his head to move so that I could read their son's names!
Up Mayo haha me too!! But nice to see for sure, normalcy for these guys after all they went through.
My friend had an apartment in Silverlake and would still get mail for old tenants and 2 appeared to have been Scientologists He would get pamphlets with all the weird code words and mentions of Sea Org. Creepy! I grew up in Hollywood and I clearly remember those buildings. I did call them when I was 16 and had left the Catholic Church and started believing in reincarnation. I had checked a book out of the public library about reincarnation and it turned out to be from CoS and it mentioned getting audited and finding about past lives. They did say that because I was a minor, I needed parental permission. Thank God!!
Hi from Hemet. lived down the street from the apartments from where people were bused to Golden Era. Glad you are now free.
This was a treat. Like quite a few other people here in the comments section, I’m here because I read Blown for Good years ago, back when there wasn’t a whole lot of other published material by former Scientologists. I knew some bad stuff happened within the church; what I didn’t know was how much of it came down to the actions of one person. I remember thinking back then that Scientology couldn’t last much longer if it couldn’t stop people like Marc from talking. But here we all are, a decade later, and it is very much still happening. I hope this upcoming wave of new lawsuits will succeed in finally getting some justice done for the suffering that Scientology has brought to its members and their loved ones.
Many years ago probably summer of 1978 my friend and I were passing a Scientology head quarters in Canada and we decided to go in and find out what it was. I had heard of the book Dyanetics but even though it was a number one best seller I decided not to read it because is was Science fiction and my opinion of Science fiction was very low on my reading choices next to cartoon books. Well we went in and after about 5 mins of chatting with the people at the front desk I determined that it was a group of greedy self involved elitist trolls who were just dying to treat people like crap. So being 22 years old and somewhat rational I went on with my life. When Tom Cruise got involved I thought what is this dick wad raving about Scientology I should have known it had something to do with Slavery when they got Celebrities promoting it. The only thing they have that makes them relevant is the fact that they put people through years of torture and servitude. I am really happy to see you guys purge yourselves of a lifetime of ignorance . Since it is true that they only really care about the money that is probably the only thing that could hurt them in the long run since the don't care about families or health or education Mob Mentality cannot be used against them. Any way good luck to you from another human on this incredibly interesting planet. Keep making videos people, need to hear this stuff.
Dianetics was a best seller because Hubbard forced sea org members to buy all the copies and inflate the number of sales.
Hubbard was a ruthless businessman masquerading as a spiritual leader.
His weapon was an endless stream of impressive sounding words that won over gullible listeners.
@whitey 1 yea, that's true but the other guy is right also. @James Richard Wiley
AND... It wasn't really throughout the 50's it lasted a few years, if not less because Mr. Psycho Madman, delusional person,L.Ron REATARD, performed a live event of one of his testing craps, oh he tried to "prove" his testing worked in regard to memory and the test dummy couldn't remember anything, including remembering the color of the tie he was wearing that night even though they were on the stage together side by side. One by one people started to walk out.
ALSO.... What has always been... Critics and people of a somewhat elevated intelligence NEVER thought of his work, including DINANETICS, as anything but nonsense and pure gibberish.
People get confused because of the best seller listing.....
.... Just because it's a best seller doesn't mean it's a best book.
Actually, something really hilarious, when L.Ron Retard brought the first draft of Dianetics to a publisher, the publisher had his assistant read it. The assistant came running out yelling and through himself out the window. Lol! True story!!
“A group of greedy self involved elitist trolls who were just dying to treat people like crap”
If this isn’t the funniest and most brilliantly apt description of them, then I don’t know what is!
Thank you so much for highlighting the fact that the pressure has been let off in terms of being harassed after leaving. I think it’s so important for people who are contemplating getting out to know that the consequences aren’t as severe as they may have been led to believe. It’s so fundamental that these sorts of things are shared.
One of the best conversations in long-form I've heard on your channel! You two are such natural conversationalists and they fit so well into each other's experiences.
Emilymk97 I’m loving the new long form format
Great interview! Please do another soon. I loved Blown for Good, and I hope the book about what happened next is still in the works.
FINALLY! Just got your book on Audible Marc! So glad you did that. I don’t have time to sit & read a “real” book these days and yours is the one Scientology book I’ve been hoping to see on Audible. Excited to hear all the details in your own voice. I’m sure you’ll sell many more copies in this format. ;)
Brilliant video! That Tom Cruise story was beyond bizarre. Even more bizarre is Tom Cruise saying Scientology cured his dyslexia...
Dyslexia is very common
More than 3 million US cases per year
Treatment can help, but this condition can't be cured
Chronic: can last for years or be lifelong
Dyslexia occurs in children with normal vision and intelligence.
Symptoms include late talking, learning new words slowly, and a delay in learning to read.
Most children with dyslexia can succeed in school with tutoring or a specialized education program.
Tom believes he could not have managed his dyslexia without Scientology.
That belief has made him a mental prisoner of David Miscavige and a gullible recruiter for a dangerous cult.
One ex-scientologist said David Miscavige records the auditing sessions of celebrities including Tom Cruise without their permission and Miscavige also likes to share the intimate details of Cruise's personal life on parties. Miscavige is such a horrible person.
Tom Cruise has dyslexia?
From the therapy they put you in. Tom Cruze might be right but it’s still fks you up mentally .
@@peggyfranzen6159 had don't forget to say that he used to have dyslexia
Excellent!
I am always so pleasantly surprised by how incredibly well-balanced and decent these ex-scientologists are: and how they have recovered with such abuse and mendacity with such la lack of bitterness.
Thank you Chris, thank You Marc. So interesting and informative. Great video!!!!!!!!👍👍👍👍
One of the best videos I've ever watched. SO funny, revealing and disturbing all at once. I used to see Scientologists come in to Wendy's by the Sunset center while I was there having lunch. People called them drones, they were vacant and just so different (not in a good way), but this video has me feeling bad for them in retrospect. I can only imagine what they were going thru. This is the most engaging video on Scientology I've seen to date.
Brilliant interview could listen to tht guy all day his accounts are 100% real and you can see why he was such an asset to Scientology he draws you right in. Really happy u both got out and are informing everyone!
Wow.... Just when I think I heard all there is to hear about this subject....something else always comes along to make me go WTF!
Alex Panicco yes, my thoughts exactly!
So happy you and your wife escaped! Wishing you a wonderful life now that you have it back in your own control. Many Hugs!
Brilliant interview - thank you both! I bought Marc’s book straight afterwards and it was fantastic. You guys have been through so much and do great work x
Whenever I think of scientology, I always think about Katie Holmes saving herself and her daughter from that cult. Good for her and suri
Do you know how she escaped?
Their was a massive power outage in Southern California.
TC compound lost power a desperate Katie Holmes took this once in a lifetime opportunity too take flight. She ripped off her electronic ankle bracelet jumped out a first floor window with her daughter and fled into the night.
Tom was livid.....yes it's true I saw it reenacted on TV.
@@patriciaalva1156 not even proven its his kid your taking nonsense
Hes a power hungry controll freak
@@patriciaalva1156 you sure are good at copy/pasting complete BS, in defense of a man who doesn't even know you exist. Who's your auditor?
@@patriciaalva1156 funny, because it's pretty well known that Katie was targeted for her quote in a teen magazine regarding her crush on Tom. If she was only in it for the fame/knew what she was getting into, she'd still be there, because he's only gotten more famous. But keep supporting a groomer who has now chased of THREE wives, because it's a good look for you. Tom Cruise neither needs nor wants your sympathy, as he encourages his other two children to call their mother a 'f*cking SP', and abandoned his youngest.
It's great listening to you both, would be really great to you both to do more video's!!!😉
Love the Scrabble set on the wall for the family's names - is awesome to see them doing so well! LOVE the fact that the CULT lawyer's actually put Marc's OWN book in as admissible EVIDENCE in their lawsuit just SUX about the outcome of it!🤬🤬🤬
Fantastic interview. Adds so much detail not contained in the book, great job!
cruise can't keep a wife and miscavige locked his up, interesting?!
@Lee 1227 Lol!!!!
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Didn't David m hook up with another chick who attended cruises wedding to Katie Holmes? Hmmm bye bye shelly miscavige
sdidora5 where are you getting that from? I never heard that
@Lee 1227 Tom may be a "sex symbol" but He still can't keep a wife. His last wife only stayed with him for the five years because she signed a contract that she would stay with him at least 5 years. Almost to the day, she left him when he was out of town.
Smart young man Marc. I love it when u said You got your own publisher and suing them too. You and all of the others ones are so awesome exposing all the cruelty yal and many more have injured. I first seen a few of yal posts and haven't been able to put all these stories down for the last week. I first heard of it when I heard Priscilla Presley had dropped Lisa Marie off there and that they tried to recruit Elvis and he felt like they only wanted his money so evidently they got alot of his and LMP money.
Thank All of yal for all the courage and strength to be able to get these stories out to the world. Karma a batch lol sure hope they completely go down. Yal are diffently making a difference to the best for so many. Best of wishes
Keep telling your story Marc!! I’m hoping that this awful cult feels the heat of the truth. David Miscavige might be one of the most hated men in the world. I want to do more to help but I don’t know what more I can do other than keep finding out more about this evil corporation. Keep up the great work you are doing. You deserve all the success in the world. Everyone who blows deserves it too.
Fantastic interview...you guys rock & so glad the cult has had its covers well & truly pulled back and we all know what's going on! BRILLIANT!
Love this interview. Never have been affiliated with Scientology or anything but just love the topic.
Gosh, that was fun! Would love to be a fly on the wall if McSavage watched it!
Up Mayo McSavage...lol. Haven't heard that one before.
Theresa Akins lol me either, I like it. I’d love if that goofball ended up in prison someday, becoming someone’s wife. He certainly deserves it.
Every X Scientologist have been so articulate and have a wonderful sense of empathy and sense of humor.
What a horrible nightmare y’all lived! So glad your out!
Terrificshow Chris! We learned sooo much. Thanks.
Brilliant...a must watch on the stupidity and twisted criminality of Scientology!!
Fantastic! Actually replayed some things twice just to make sure i got it right or hear the story again.
Cruise and Miscavige are absolutely lovers.
Cult Love
I’m convinced that if something were to happen to David Miscavige, he’ll make Tom Cruise C.O.B.
One thng about it is that once it's followers gets involved, they hang in there for a while. Either because it's difficult or impossible to break away...or they are experiencing an upgrade in their quality of life. You gotta wonder...🤔
Please do more interviews! I could listen to Marc for hrs. Best story teller ever!!😀😀
I wish Marc had said all this on Leah Remini’s Show! Brilliant. I love this guy.
Anna Banana Probably not enough time to.
I have watched this twice for the entertainment value alone. You two are great together!
I am declaring this the absolute best Shelton interview EVER!!! :)
Thanks for the videos. I have become "addicted" to these scientology channels.
It’s good listening to this when first came out because a year later listening again with more attention, it’s like I’m listening to s new interview forgetting the first time
Marc gave a wealth of information! Great show!
The cards are deeply reminiscent of the Air Force Form 341. I'm having flashbacks to basic training.
omg, yes! chits... demerits... I almost left basic over that crazy shite!
Have the book Mark, I could listen to you two talk all day! Thanks Chris
So happy to see ANOTHER ex-Scientologist making a UA-cam channel. The more the better!
YES, at last Blown for Good is coming out as an audiobook.
MrBudzini The book is great.
I just listened to it last week! Marc is an engaging storyteller and seems like a truly great guy. I’m a big fan of Claire’s as well, so glad they were able to move on together and do everything they can to hold the cult accountable.
Just bought it today! So excited!
Awesome interview! All my facial expressions in no particular order: 😃 😏 😐 😟 😨 😫 😤 😝 🙄 😆 🤭 🤨 🤯 🤣 💀
Yup, I died.
So interesting! The card system, the editing of the lectures.
Karen Pardo but are you surprised they’d edit, sweeten and EQ the hell out of them?
That was odd.What happened there?
I have watched to several videos; hours, of Chris's videos. As well as Marc's. Including tons of other survivors...and this conversation was BANANAS!
I’ve read a l of about Scientology but this guy really blew the lid off things to give me a deep understanding. I appreciate his amazing memory.
I have a feeling that if L Ron Hubbard were still alive or lived longer, David Miscavige would most likely ‘get rid of him’ to assume power.
Probably, that's what he did with Pat Broeker when Hubbard died.
OSA goes after Leah, of course, but one other I know they also go after pretty hard is Ron Miscavige. He has just as many or more dislikes on his videos as likes, & tons of negative comments with links to the hate sites. Idk if that's just bc DM takes it personal that daddy escaped, but Ron is considered a serious threat.
I love these interviews. I go back often to listen to the stories. Keep these up Chris!!
OMG his scrabble wall is adorable!
I am very excited to hear that so many ex- Scientology members are sharing their stories and experiences. The more people talk the more the world will see what actually happened/ happens. This was an amazing interview to hear.
This makes sense why the Melrose mission opened and why Racheal miner started it at that time as well as Patrick Rena with the los feliz mission
Sad to see Rachel Minors involvement in co$.
Marc rocks. LAPD loves their off-duty gigs. Any movie/ad commercial jobs are gravy to them.... kissing ass to keep those gigs is totally correct!
JAYE R all of LA is corrupt as hell.
I live in LA. So you're saying I'm corrupt. You're comment is a complete generalization and displays a highly negative outlook.
Fantastic, such fun. Like hanging out with two old, very entertaining friends. Thanks so much x
Thanks for this Chris. Loved the interview.
Why would anyone subject themselves to that? I kept asking myself, then I remembered. 1962, Manchurian Candidate; a chilling hit movie that truly stuck with me and the cinema gold standard about a man who was brainwashed. Scientology is truly evil and criminal.
Great interview. Thanks to both of you. Loved your book Marc. Also loved your book Chris. Can’t wait for your new one.
I read this book ‘Blown for Good’ can’t recommend it enough
Excellent interview with rapid repartee. I remember Pubs Org UK selling open reel tapes, apparently unedited. It became known that some heavy editing was going on when the Study Tapes, which we had initially listened to from the DC Org library, were edited in various ways to remove GPMs and whole track stuff due to it being Out Gradient for newbies; later released on cassettes in sanitized version. This was in the late 1970s. Some orgs in areas where Hubbard lectured had their own copies of tapes, which would vary from org to org. And missions were fired to collect all privately held recordings of lectures, ostensibly to archive for posterity. Folks were turning in wire recordings (!) among other formats.
I could listen to you guys all day! I really enjoyed the interview. Thanks Chris and Marc 👍
Honestly, thank you for taking the time to make this informative video❤
Ur cute. U single?
I’ve watched a lot of ex members being interviewed and for the life of me I can’t understand why these mostly articulate and intelligent people ever thought Scientology was sooooooo effing good🤔
Because manipulation and wanting to belong are powerful and you can be one of the smartest people on the planet and still be blindsided by those things. I wasn’t part of Scientology but I was part of a cult. It’s a slippery slope where they tell you, “You can belong but only if you do X.”
It’s a great point. So many ex members I’ve heard (these two being at the top of the list) are very intelligent,articulate, thoughtful etc. human nature is crazy sometimes. Also I think the experience they ent through to get out really makes them more insightful about themselves and people in general.
Love Marc and Chris! Great interview!
Oh Chris, this is great. These two are a crack up. It is bizarre the life that David Misgavich lives to say the least. Any chance on having Jamie Dewolf on? That would be a great one, and the other family piece to the Scientology puzzle I emailed you about (dont want to spoil anything you may be working on). Thanks as always!
* by these two...I mean DM & Tom
Yes Chris, please bring on Jamie Dewolf !
Nut Dewolf's speaking fee is too high.
George B he charges “speaking fees” for interviews? None of the others do. That’s not how interviews typically work, as they’re usually promotion for the projects or work of the person being interviewed. Usually they’re unpaid. That would be crazy if Jamie charged a speaking fee to be interviewed. Weird.
How could Chris afford is $$$$ speaking fees?
Mark's the best. He's so funny!